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[00:18:31] <Thetawaves> djdelorie, have you ever done any work with the rx arch from renesas?
[00:18:56] <djdelorie> yes, I wrote the GNU assembler and simulator for it
[00:19:19] <djdelorie> and I've done lots of hardware projects with them, including my BLDC controller, which uses an RX62T processor
[00:21:09] <djdelorie> why?
[00:22:09] <Thetawaves> i'm curious about endianness
[00:22:32] <djdelorie> it has both. Use little endian :-)
[00:22:43] <Thetawaves> i *have* to use little endian
[00:22:47] <djdelorie> unless you're doing CAN, that peripheral is endian-weird
[00:23:20] <Thetawaves> i noticed that instructions only seem to be stored in big endian, while data can be stored as little endian
[00:23:29] <djdelorie> (you can still do little endian with CAN, but you have to use different code to read/write some of the registers)
[00:23:33] <Thetawaves> all of my little endian dependent logic will still work?
[00:23:51] <djdelorie> instructions are stored as a byte stream
[00:24:03] <djdelorie> my projects are always little endian
[00:24:25] <Thetawaves> cool
[00:24:37] <Thetawaves> is it a relatively fun processor to work on?
[00:24:46] <djdelorie> yes :-)
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[00:25:04] <Thetawaves> ok great
[00:25:13] <djdelorie> lots of peripherals, single-cycle FPU, wide range of chip sizes, etc.
[00:25:19] <djdelorie> linux tools :-)
[00:25:29] <Thetawaves> linux tools is a huge advantage
[00:25:39] <djdelorie> (some of which you get from me, like the flash downloader)
[00:25:44] <Jymmm> What happens to feed point impedance at the base of a fixed-length HF mobile antenna as the frequency of operation is lowered?
[00:25:49] <djdelorie> all my RX development is linux-only.
[00:25:52] <Jymmm> sorry
[00:25:59] <Thetawaves> i didn't select the pic32 because the compiler isn't integrated into gcc mainline
[00:26:18] <djdelorie> RX is, I use gcc "head" as my regular compiler
[00:26:19] <Thetawaves> what kind of programmer do you use? do you have jtag?
[00:26:36] <djdelorie> I use the serial bootloader. The JTAG interface isn't (and likely won't) be documented.
[00:26:57] <djdelorie> the serial bootloader is documented in the many-thousands-of-pages-long hardware documentation.
[00:27:04] <Thetawaves> don't use jtag anyway, so not a deal breaker
[00:27:33] <djdelorie> I have a schematic for a standard FT232R-based interface, too, which gives you the linux tool support and a printf console
[00:27:34] <Thetawaves> serial bootloader... i'll take a look
[00:27:48] <Thetawaves> bootloader comes with the chips?
[00:28:29] <djdelorie> http://people.redhat.com/~dj/m32c/ - the r8c/etc programmer includes RX too. The bootloader is pre-flashed in a separate flash area in the chip, it's always there.
[00:29:07] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/electronics/rx/ & http://www.delorie.com/electronics/rx-stick/ have most of the stuff I've done hardware-wise.
[00:29:26] <Thetawaves> how do you configure it to boot directly to your code?
[00:29:52] <djdelorie> there are two mode pins on the chip; their values at reset determine the chip's mode
[00:30:06] <djdelorie> it chooses between serial bootloader, USB bootloader, and your program.
[00:30:17] <Thetawaves> very cool
[00:30:49] <djdelorie> if you haven't gotten hardware yet, consider http://www.delorie.com/electronics/rx/rx62n-breakout.html - I still have plenty and they're linux-friendly.
[00:31:15] <djdelorie> (plenty of blanks, that is, I build the full ones as needed)
[00:31:50] <djdelorie> here's the RX62T bldc controller board: http://www.delorie.com/electronics/bldc/
[00:31:50] <Thetawaves> how much for the parts kit?
[00:32:13] <djdelorie> dunno at the moment, my digikey BOM script is broken.
[00:32:42] <djdelorie> the chip is around $16, plus $5 for the usb chip, add a few dollars for connector and discretes as needed, etc
[00:33:41] <Thetawaves> i certainly would like to get a reference board
[00:34:01] <djdelorie> Renesas has a bunch, but they're not all linux-friendly.
[00:35:42] <djdelorie> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/YRDKRX62N is a good one
[00:36:13] <djdelorie> but it needs a resistor swap to do USB bootloader
[00:38:28] <Thetawaves> i'd rather get your breakout board
[00:38:40] <Thetawaves> i just don't want to spend the time trolling digikey to get the parts
[00:39:14] <djdelorie> there's a BOM for digikey right on that web page
[00:39:42] <djdelorie> unless they obsoleted some of the parts on me :-P
[00:40:52] <djdelorie> heh... the bom includes everything *except* the MCU
[00:41:39] <Thetawaves> why do you have two boms with different size smd?
[00:41:43] <djdelorie> also, I've been having bad luck with the RTC clock circuit on my boards, don't know why.
[00:41:52] <Thetawaves> :O
[00:42:08] <djdelorie> The PCB allows for either size part, so you choose whatever size you mostly have in stock. My stock is mostly 0603, for example.
[00:42:24] <djdelorie> I suspect it's my choice of crystals
[00:43:08] <djdelorie> the renesas board uses an SMT crystal, but that's hard to hand-solder so I had to go with a canned crystal instead.
[00:43:23] <Thetawaves> i downloaded your schematic for the breakout board, and man is that a weird clock circuit
[00:43:44] <djdelorie> which clock?
[00:43:58] <Thetawaves> rtc, 32.768khz osc
[00:44:04] <Thetawaves> x2
[00:44:26] <djdelorie> it's a standard crystal clock circuit...
[00:44:28] <Thetawaves> never seen a clock with R14
[00:44:42] <Thetawaves> what is the load of X2?
[00:45:44] <djdelorie> depends on the crystal. you can always put a 0R there if that's what your crystal wants
[00:46:36] <djdelorie> if I ever respin that board, both clocks get both a series and parallel resistor footprint, "just in case"
[00:47:09] <djdelorie> next flaky board, I'll try a 0R and see if it helps.
[00:47:15] <Thetawaves> but that will put them unnecessarily far from the chip
[00:47:25] <Thetawaves> causing excessive stray capacitances that will throw the freq off
[00:47:59] <djdelorie> they're not that far from the cpu anyway, and the stray pF should be accounted for in the load caps anyway
[00:48:25] <Thetawaves> i'm trying to find the equation
[00:48:32] <Thetawaves> damn, i've got tons of pdfs open
[00:48:42] <djdelorie> you need more monitors :-)
[00:49:28] <Thetawaves> but it's like ((C1 + C1s) * (C2 + C2s))/((C1 + C1s) + (C2 + C2s))
[00:49:40] <djdelorie> I've seen inconsistent information on how to go from the "load capacitance" in the crystal spec, to the actual capacitance on the pcb
[00:50:08] <djdelorie> AFAIK, the caps are just under twice the spec'd load
[00:50:16] <djdelorie> (in general)
[00:50:17] <Thetawaves> so in that schem, you've got a crystal with about 16pf load?
[00:50:25] <djdelorie> something like that
[00:50:48] <Thetawaves> i've seen a lot of missinformation too
[00:51:26] <Thetawaves> you CAN calculate it, and the capacitor values are not 22pf when the crystal calls for 22pf load
[00:51:38] <Thetawaves> moving on
[00:51:43] <djdelorie> the RX spec says 15pF per cap including strays Their eval board uses two 12pF caps.
[00:52:11] <djdelorie> but that assumes you get a crystal that works with those values, too.
[00:52:23] <Thetawaves> definitely
[00:53:28] <Thetawaves> so you've got the cpu split up into a bunch of functional blocks in that schem
[00:53:33] <djdelorie> yup
[00:53:45] <Thetawaves> ahh cool
[00:54:19] <djdelorie> well, one block for power/download, and the rest are just one block per row of pins on the chip
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[02:20:07] <r00t-Shed> mhaberler, fix ur stuffs
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[02:39:18] <Loetmichel> sooo... for the highlight at the end: a the last monitor i had to rework had a loosened treaded rivet... so i couldnt dismatle it :-(... all done... now i will go home, sleep about 2 hrs, and go back to the company... that was a LOOONG day... startet yesterday 0800, now ist 0438 cver here...
[02:41:15] <Loetmichel> *workday
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[04:33:36] <uw> does anyone have a CNC shaper?
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[04:36:11] <toastyde1th> i've seen cnc shapers
[04:36:15] <toastyde1th> shit's crazy
[04:37:45] <toastyde1th> waste of time in my opinion
[04:37:47] <toastyde1th> but crazy
[04:39:14] <archivist> I can see a use for one off gear shaping
[04:39:41] <toastyde1th> true
[04:40:23] <toastyde1th> i mean that's essentially what production gear shapers are
[04:41:13] <archivist> I am waiting for the right request then I shall write the gcode to shape a bevel gear
[04:41:15] <toastyde1th> now a vertical shaper with an intgral vertical rotary table and maybe a tracer
[04:41:27] <toastyde1th> and we'd be in business
[04:41:34] <toastyde1th> but a normal shaper, I don't know how much I'd be into that
[04:41:54] <toastyde1th> also with a good shaper you don't need cnc to shape gears
[04:41:58] <toastyde1th> or any special cutters
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[07:00:02] <DJ9DJ> moin
[07:01:31] <DJ9DJ> morning' Loetmichel
[07:02:20] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[08:34:50] <Loetmichel> soo, dann wollen wir mal dein bombenkrater hier in eine halbwegs ansehnlihce produktionsst├Ątte verwandeln ;-)... bevor der kunde kommt ;-)
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[13:24:33] <r00t4rd3d> strip club?
[13:26:54] <jdh> :)
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[14:06:45] <jdh> HURRY! Harbor Freight is having a HUGE Sale!
[14:11:31] <jdh> guess everyone is on their way.
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[15:15:33] <IchGuckLive> hi all around the world
[15:16:10] <jdh> Hi over there.
[15:16:26] <IchGuckLive> weather is realy bad here
[15:16:40] <jdh> weather is exceptionally good here.
[15:16:57] <IchGuckLive> O.O B)
[15:17:25] <jdh> so good that I'm leaving work at noon and taking friday off :)
[15:18:16] <Vq> It's raining over here. :/
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[15:38:01] <skunkworks> we have decent weather for as far as the eye can see...
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[15:38:32] <pcw_home> Cold and foggy here, never had much of a summer (I'm afraid our tomatoes will still be green by November)
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[15:45:50] <skunkworks> wow - we had a little end rot but other than that the tomatoes did great
[15:45:53] <rigid> ahoy
[15:46:32] <skunkworks> ahoy?
[15:46:39] <pcw_home> TLAPD was the 19th
[15:47:00] <rigid> would it be possible to realize a CNC Mill/Drill with a robot arm like http://hmt.fh-duesseldorf.de/hmt/images/3/33/Movemaster_EX_300px.jpg using linuxCNC?
[15:47:24] <skunkworks> I think I heard that. (tlapd)
[15:47:24] <rigid> skunkworks: ahoy == nautic greeting :)
[15:47:59] <skunkworks> ridid: yes - with abit of work..
[15:48:09] <rigid> what kind of work? coding?
[15:48:17] <rigid> i'm worrying about the inverse kinematics math
[15:48:47] <archivist> is the arm rigid enough for milling
[15:48:51] <skunkworks> I think there is enough kins in linuxcnc that you would probably not have to do coding.. Look at the serial kins
[15:48:51] <rigid> yes
[15:49:01] <rigid> archivist: it's fairly solid
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[15:49:20] <archivist> only fairly ?
[15:49:29] <rigid> archivist: that's it http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMDY2/$T2eC16FHJGQE9noMZIvPBQGYtM7DCw~~60_1.JPG?set_id=880000500F
[15:49:43] <IchGuckLive> rigid: it is poassible
[15:49:51] <rigid> archivist: well, depends on the hole & medium i guess... but it's an industrial robot
[15:50:01] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/man/man9/genserkins.9.html
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[15:50:11] <IchGuckLive> but the Gcode is hard and the movement are not exact aspecial a strait
[15:50:16] <rigid> ahh... cool
[15:50:17] <skunkworks> there is a puma arm example in linuxcnc...
[15:50:36] <rigid> perfect, thanks... i'll look at that
[15:51:06] <rigid> IchGuckLive: Gcode? why not exact? the robot currently moves quite exactly
[15:51:28] <skunkworks> IchGuckLive, actually with working kins - the gcode is pretty easy. And if the arm is calibrated right - is strait and true
[15:51:57] <archivist> because he does not realise that kins fixes it for you
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[15:53:31] <IchGuckLive> OK themn i need a better calibration
[15:53:46] <rigid> IchGuckLive: you have the setup running already? :)
[15:53:54] * rigid knows whom to ask then :-P
[15:54:17] <rigid> i have to build a controller first, the original is ancient
[15:54:27] <IchGuckLive> no the carpender has one mounted to the roof and milling just radius by hand
[15:55:02] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80YhX73DuSg&list=UUF4WFwQCdnAdTsviP9QGmyA&index=2&feature=plcp
[15:55:08] <IchGuckLive> the Door frames
[15:55:09] <skunkworks> that is running normal gcode..
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[15:56:38] <rigid> skunkworks: lol... my robot is tiny compared to the one in the video :)
[15:58:49] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv_pKIDEKhs fun at the robot breaktime
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[16:03:57] <IchGuckLive> im off work see you from home by
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[16:45:49] <archivist> rigid, sometimes the drivers are usable
[16:46:17] <archivist> may just need a pc and interface card
[16:46:47] <rigid> yeah, i'll build one... if the inverse kinematic part is done, i guess I can hack the rest
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[16:51:06] <archivist> I would be trying to re use the servo drives as they will already match the motors
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[16:53:50] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mach1mach2cnc/message/136958
[16:54:01] <skunkworks> I want to scream - linuxcnc already does!!
[16:54:22] <rigid> archivist, i guess that's not necessary... they look quite old and can be replaced by much smaller & efficient ones. The "servos" are actually a simple dc motor+position encoder
[16:55:33] <rigid> skunkworks: then do so?
[16:55:33] <rigid> or at least suggest looking at it? :)
[16:55:33] <skunkworks> buy some cheap amc drives from ebay and use a 5i25+daughter board..
[16:55:38] <skunkworks> eh - that is mach's yahoo group.. probably out of place ;)
[16:56:00] <rigid> well, it's aggressive marketing :)
[16:56:05] <archivist> our entertainment channel :)
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[16:57:24] <rigid> but since linuxcnc is open source... you can just raise the bar
[16:57:24] <rigid> or is mach FOSS, too?
[16:57:24] <rigid> skunkworks: i think i'll build the complete board by myself...
[16:57:24] <skunkworks> not in the slightes
[16:57:24] <rigid> i still wonder if I should keep it simple (build my own h-bridges) or use a top-notch modern driver IC
[16:57:24] * skunkworks has done that before... never finished it...
[16:57:30] <archivist> I beg to differ about proper "steps fed MUST equal the encoder counts recieved"
[16:57:50] <rigid> hehe... i didn't say i'll finish it :) there's a good chance it never gets finished ;)
[16:58:28] <archivist> dont mention unfinished projects!
[16:58:36] * archivist twitches
[16:58:40] <cradek> we've only been doing threading like that for 6 years. still pretty cutting-edge (haha) stuff.
[17:00:19] <rigid> but otherwise it shouldn't be more than 5 H-Bridges, MCU + sensor input i guess...
[17:00:19] <rigid> well... MCU rather is SoC nowadays :)
[17:00:19] <rigid> 6 bridges... forgote the gripper
[17:00:33] <archivist> er we do it properly as there is gearing between counts and steps there statement seems to lack variable gearing
[17:02:39] <cradek> Tue Mar 21 01:05:47 2006: ... trajectory planner now supports spindle-synchronized motion.
[17:02:45] <cradek> jeez I've been working on this project a long time
[17:02:45] <skunkworks> linuxcnc will drive h-bridges and read encoders directly (if you have enough i/o.)
[17:02:46] <skunkworks> (and the software encoder counter is fast enough for you.)
[17:02:46] <skunkworks> but interface hardware is really quite cheap..
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[17:34:10] <skunkworks> cradek, and we all think you!!!
[17:40:06] <rigid> indeed
[17:41:09] <Jymmm> http://www.qsl.net/w4sat/howlong.htm
[17:42:04] <IchGuckLive> is there a timeline for the new relese of the livecd with 12.04 and 2.52
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[17:45:47] <Jymmm> pcw_home: This holster DOES fit the flashlight, http://www.dealextreme.com/p/large-flashlight-holster-1152
[17:46:08] <skunkworks> IchGuckLive, not at the moment.. We are waiting for rtai support of the new kernel
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[17:47:12] <IchGuckLive> i see 3.3 with rt22 is a miss in all projects
[17:47:22] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I've tried a few others (even from local retail) and that one actually fits pretty well, a tad loose, but you can even put it in head first to get a tight fit.
[17:48:28] <IchGuckLive> skunkworks: also the ubuntu devels are trying to get all the stuff to the standard kernel
[17:50:43] <pcw_home> I dont really need a holster. It just hang on a hook so I can use if theres a "bump in the night"
[17:50:45] <pcw_home> Amazing battery life and brightness, best flashlight I have ever had
[17:52:38] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Tell me about it. I think it's actually brighter than my 7" diameter 1M candle power spot light
[17:53:13] <Jymmm> pcw_home: The holster is for when stored in glovebox to protect lens or when camping, etc
[17:53:32] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Just difficult to find one that fits
[17:53:40] <pcw_home> Yeah This replaces one of those lead acid monsters quite well
[17:54:06] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I have yet to charge the battery a second time yet.
[17:54:35] <pcw_home> Same here (and I have spares I have not needed)
[17:54:59] <Jymmm> exactly. I need to order a second one.
[17:56:40] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I found a headlamp I'm going to get as well
[17:58:15] <IchGuckLive> have a nice day Where Ever you are IM off BY B)
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[18:01:17] <Jymmm> pcw_home: 1xAA (I hate AAA, as AA have 2.5x more mAh), IPX8 rated, 97Lumens High (2Hr)/ 47 Lumen Med (5Hr), 3 Lumen Low (53 Hr) - http://www.fenixlight.com/viewproduct.asp?id=144
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[20:05:47] <tom3p> the docs on hal oneshot are a bit misleading, you cannot get an arbitrary width pulse (eg 13 or 127uS ).
[20:06:00] <tom3p> the oneshot pulse width has a minimum size equal to the period of the FP thread its run on (plus a few uS overhead).
[20:06:11] <tom3p> and the FP thread is likely dependent on the base thread, so you write 'setp oneshot.0.width .000013' and get 1mS
[20:06:13] <tom3p> because the FP thread was .ini'd at 1000000! surprise surprise gomer!
[20:07:15] <tom3p> the src code 'imports/includes' the 'period' and uses FP to get the width (period * .000000001)
[20:09:16] <andypugh> I am vaguely surprised that it is an fp function. It could easily have been a base-thread function with width definied in thread periods.
[20:09:42] <tom3p> yeah making it FP is a waste, we oughtta have tiks
[20:10:26] <tom3p> we express the period in tiks in the .ini
[20:11:01] <andypugh> "edge" looks like it can do the same thing.
[20:11:27] <andypugh> In fact, they appear to have redundant functionality.
[20:12:20] <andypugh> (Except no fp in "edge" so it can run in the base thread)
[20:14:08] <tom3p> where does the value 'period' come from in thqat code?? it doesnt have the 'option data internal'
[20:15:13] <tom3p> voodoo
[20:15:16] <andypugh> It's part of the magic of "comp". Look in the "convenience macros" section.
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[20:17:26] <andypugh> "FUNCTION" gets macro-substituted to void edge(void *inst, long period) (or soemthing like that) in the generated C code.
[20:18:32] <andypugh> (and pin_name gets macro-substituted to *inst->pin_name too)
[20:18:51] <tom3p> ? you mean the reference to fperiod on page 43 of Hal User Manl?
[20:18:56] <andypugh> Comp is part-genius and part horror :-)
[20:19:16] <andypugh> I don't know, I never read the manuals :-)
[20:19:40] <andypugh> I use the online docs: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/comp.html#_convenience_macros
[20:20:06] <andypugh> (period is under FUNCTION )
[20:20:50] <tom3p> anyway, the docs oughtta warn users of the granularity
[20:21:09] <tom3p> thx tho ( reading the link )
[20:21:33] <tom3p> (hard on us non-internetted folk )
[20:22:14] <skunkworks> tom3p, how are you talking to us?
[20:22:18] <skunkworks> ;)
[20:23:17] <tom3p> sometimes i walk down to the library
[20:23:20] <andypugh> I would need to create a new branch to push a change to the "oneshot" docs. (and I am in the middle of something). It's a simple matter of editing the .comp file and adding a "description" section though.
[20:23:24] <tom3p> and get inet
[20:23:42] <andypugh> So, how are you managing to be here now?
[20:23:52] <tom3p> at lib now
[20:24:40] <tom3p> when i'm 'here', i'm at lib or got some work & am on road at hotel
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[20:27:23] <skunkworks> a nice dish pointed at the lib?
[20:27:37] <andypugh> Cantenna!
[20:28:29] <tom3p> http://pastebin.com/UpWU0Q1b added comment
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[20:37:15] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:29:27] <r00t4rd3d> This chest cold I have is not playing nice with my smoking habits.
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[22:24:28] * JT-Shop-2 had a productive day
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[22:37:14] <JT-Shop> for a good laugh http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/56029-Electric-cable
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[22:43:34] <andypugh> Aproper answer "No, but yes if you look _really_ hard"
[22:43:47] <JT-Shop> yea
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[22:44:59] <JT-Shop> going to look at a B&S 6x12 surface grinder tomorrow
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[22:45:38] <andypugh> useful things
[22:45:44] <Jymmm> No, but it can become lighter in weight. due to heat disipation and heat rises
[22:46:18] <andypugh> Lighter in weight, but the same mass
[22:46:30] <Jymmm> sure, electrons FIFO
[22:46:39] <r00t4rd3d> so this german store sells booze that was poured through the cleavage of a hot chick - http://www.gspirits.com/
[22:47:47] <andypugh> That's a little strange
[22:49:16] <andypugh> I lost an eBay auction today. It was probably a good buy at the winning price: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180978288137
[22:49:56] <andypugh> (click the little picture for the other pictures)
[22:50:03] <JT-Shop> seems a fair price
[22:50:23] <andypugh> I like the quirky design (and they can swing a huge faceplate)
[22:51:01] <andypugh> And they were made in the town where I was.
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[22:54:59] <r00t4rd3d> dont you have a lather already?
[22:55:42] <r00t4rd3d> lathe*
[22:58:23] <andypugh> I do, but it's Chinese and distasteful.
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[23:01:29] <r00t4rd3d> you dont think that ebay one has any chinese parts in it?
[23:01:49] <andypugh> Not given that is was made in Huddersfield in about 1950.
[23:02:13] <andypugh> We sold lathes to China then, not them to us.
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[23:15:26] <L84Supper> r00t4rd3d, good thing they didn't brand it Buttkrack
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[23:19:49] <andypugh> L84Supper: Nearly the name of this (useful) company: http://www.buttkereit.co.uk
[23:24:17] <skunkworks__> so - what is the best website for hosting photos....
[23:24:56] <jdh> moma.org
[23:25:53] <jdh> you want pics up forever, do you want to retain ownership? do you want free?
[23:26:00] <skunkworks__> yes?
[23:26:08] <skunkworks__> (yes and yes)
[23:26:22] <jdh> picasaweb is free, fairly easy
[23:26:42] <skunkworks__> that is the on that keeps coming up...
[23:26:44] <jdh> and is integerated with my camera/phone
[23:27:21] <skunkworks__> I tried to setup one of the free picuture hosting apps for my website but it only works for small sizes.
[23:27:33] <skunkworks__> (about a year ago and I gave up)
[23:30:02] <skunkworks__> imagemagic which is supposed to be accessable isn't.. (and that is far as I got)
[23:31:40] <andypugh> picasa works for me
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[23:33:18] <skunkworks__> Picasa is not currently available for your operating system
[23:33:29] <jdh> picasaweb
[23:35:50] <skunkworks__> foundit
[23:35:52] <skunkworks__> found it
[23:45:06] <andypugh> 370 spammers! That is just not funny, and can't even achieve anythign for them.
[23:45:14] <andypugh> Death is too good for them
[23:46:36] <L84Supper> did Danimal disappear?
[23:46:49] <andypugh> I haven't seen him for ages
[23:47:25] <L84Supper> I never heard how all his new project machines turned out
[23:47:49] <r00t4rd3d> skunkworks__, imgur
[23:53:46] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Did you just purge several hundred spammers?
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