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[00:00:59] <r00t4rd3d> does your wife really ring a bell?
[00:01:38] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.rainymood.com/
[00:02:56] <r00t4rd3d> heh, i just scared my dog with that
[00:03:11] <r00t4rd3d> i think he is in the tub
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[00:05:39] <r00t4rd3d> my dog is mean too, doesnt like anyone, doesnt like to be pet, a little bit of thunder and he morfs into a giant pussy.
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[00:12:14] <MattyMatt> I had an xl125r
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[00:13:09] <MattyMatt> it was stolen before I could take my test, so I didn't bother with legal learner bikes after that :)
[00:13:29] <MattyMatt> 500cc triumph next
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[00:21:13] <r00t4rd3d> i keep mine in a locked garage and chained to a fuel oil tank
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[00:36:49] <tjb1> hey r00t
[00:40:41] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[00:41:44] <r00t4rd3d> whats up
[00:44:01] <ReadError> http://www.gifsoup.com/view1/2159390/fat-kid-owns-bully-o.gif
[00:44:03] <ReadError> thats awesome
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[00:49:32] <r00t4rd3d> old
[00:53:13] <tjb1> spaghetti
[00:56:18] <tjb1> worse than this -
http://www.itdisasters.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/server-room-with-salt1-450x336.jpg
[01:01:38] <r00t4rd3d> it really dont bother me that much
[01:04:02] <tjb1> you know it does
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[01:41:03] <r00t4rd3d> The reason i would never use progressive insurance:
[01:41:04] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/GPfzE.jpg
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[02:19:47] <r00t4rd3d> Its about time for off topic hour isnt it?
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[02:33:02] <tom3p> jthornton, nice tutorial! fyi on bottom of page 6e, the link to next page is said to be 'Next: Part 6e Creating Jog Buttons 6e' ( easy to see its really 6f)
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[06:47:09] <DJ9DJ> moin
[06:48:24] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[06:49:45] <DJ9DJ> good morning viet^Wchannel & Jymmm :)
[06:51:41] <Jymmm> hola
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[07:18:33] <Loetmichel> DJ9DJ: you have to yell that, ;-)
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[07:21:10] <DJ9DJ> hrhr
[07:21:19] <DJ9DJ> perhaps next time :D
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[08:00:49] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MONRING VIETNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!
[08:08:40] <alex_joni> bah, too early for that
[08:09:01] <DJ9DJ> lol
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[08:39:40] * Loetmichel calls Jymmm robin williams from now on ;-)
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[08:40:28] <Jymmm> heh
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[08:51:00] <alex_joni> robin reliant
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[12:35:06] <r00t4rd3d> w00t, another logitech g700 dead
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[13:52:00] <WillenCMD> Good Morning
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[13:53:25] <archivist> 3pm, strange morning
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[13:55:16] <WillenCMD> its all relative
[13:57:15] <WillenCMD> i took on a huge project, but its coming along really nicely
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[13:57:32] <WillenCMD> first a made an auto netting program for hal components
[13:57:54] <WillenCMD> then i decided i was going to re-do a setup program for linuxcnc entierely
[13:58:19] <WillenCMD> no its under way, i have enhanced the latency testing
[13:58:31] <JT-Shop> cool
[13:58:38] <archivist> any idea when the Barber Coleman type S hobbers were made?
[13:58:55] <WillenCMD> wow i would say 1960's or before
[13:59:10] <WillenCMD> i never got you that manual, and we do have some for the s-machine
[13:59:34] <archivist> I was wondering if the manuals had dates in :)
[13:59:49] <WillenCMD> they are antique's my friend lol
[14:00:35] <WillenCMD> i could send you so many hob's that are worn down, you would have every pitch
[14:00:51] <archivist> antique! looks shiny
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_08_31_Barber_Colman_S_type/IMG_1340.JPG
[14:01:23] <WillenCMD> wow, man its looking really good
[14:01:42] <archivist> and the other pic in that subdirectory
[14:02:29] <WillenCMD> do you need drive gears?
[14:02:39] <archivist> been thinking about best way to cnc without any drilling into castings so can be returned to original
[14:03:15] <WillenCMD> honestly i think they work pretty effeciently the way the are, what do you think you will gain?
[14:03:16] <archivist> I have no gears and only a few hobs to fit that shaft
[14:03:41] <WillenCMD> i have tubs full of old hobs, and boxes, and boxes of gears
[14:03:42] <archivist> I gain helical as well as any tooth count
[14:04:04] <WillenCMD> thats true
[14:04:13] <archivist> although head rotation is limited
[14:04:45] <WillenCMD> Ill ask my dad if i can have some of the stuff we have laying around. Box it up and send it to you, you just pay for shipping
[14:05:11] <archivist> getting the worm in the drive set up will be fun to keep its accuracy
[14:05:22] <WillenCMD> they buy all kinds of stuff, then again we have16 hobbing machines, 5 gleasons, 3 S-machines
[14:05:45] <archivist> I didnt know what the adjuster screws did till I got it to pieces !
[14:05:57] <WillenCMD> does it feel worn at all?
[14:06:19] <archivist> not very worn if at all
[14:06:30] <WillenCMD> thats good, what about the bearings?
[14:06:38] <archivist> adjustable
[14:06:51] <WillenCMD> sleeve type or angular contact?
[14:07:21] <archivist> sleeve but with a slit and outer taper and a pull nut
[14:07:41] <WillenCMD> that was the first machine i learned to set up... so i think its crazy you have it
[14:08:12] <archivist> not taken the bearings out but seen in lathes etc so used to the type
[14:08:28] <WillenCMD> i wonder if you could raise the head for larger od's
[14:09:10] <WillenCMD> i think your limited on clearance at the arbour though
[14:10:09] <archivist> the casting is all one piece
[14:10:47] <archivist> if I made a new assembly then yes
[14:12:44] <archivist> part of me thinks the restoration is too nice to cnc :)
[14:13:24] <archivist> I wonder what the cheapest shipping of a box of gears would be
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[14:13:33] <Tom_itx> standard post
[14:13:35] <Tom_itx> i bet
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[14:13:54] <Tom_itx> they're all too damn high anymore
[14:14:02] <archivist> I shudder at some shipping quotes
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[14:15:00] <Tom_itx> i wonder where i'd get info for a certain pitch thread to be put on an OD to calculate the root diameter
[14:15:01] <WillenCMD> probably $50
[14:15:15] <WillenCMD> van curren
[14:15:16] <Tom_itx> to make something like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/blddk/7272427056/in/photostream
[14:15:33] <Tom_itx> so it doesn't come out with an odd thread at the end
[14:16:57] <WillenCMD> van keuren
[14:17:31] <WillenCMD> they are a most for gear calculation's including worm's measurement over wires
[14:17:49] <WillenCMD> standard pitch, long addendum
[14:17:59] <Tom_itx> i bet it's in the machinery handbook
[14:18:09] <Tom_itx> i just haven't looked yet
[14:18:10] <WillenCMD> it is but, not nearly as in depth
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[14:18:48] <WillenCMD> archivist: We have a helical gear calculator tool if your intersted, its just a spreadsheet and a form
[14:19:08] <WillenCMD> My dad wrote it
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[14:19:56] <JT-Shop> flat rate boxes are the best if it fits
[14:20:29] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop don't they still have a weight limit?
[14:21:32] <WillenCMD> no i don't believe they do
[14:21:36] <WillenCMD> but im sepculating
[14:23:15] <WillenCMD> So the new latency testing program, i have it opening serverl glx gear windows, sending a large packet over the internet, and minimizing/maximizing a few windows, along with rotating them around the screen... anyone think of something else to put more load on the computer?
[14:23:26] <WillenCMD> several*
[14:23:56] <WillenCMD> all being done with a python scrpts
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[14:26:45] <WillenCMD> I'll post some screen shots, of the gui. See if you think it's something worth while. It basically has a start page with several different buttons, one allows you to configure/tune stepper's or servo's, then an auto net program will display the loaded pins and components and you just click on two pins click auto net, it will then either name the net on its own your you can name the signal your self, 3 is a hal comp ide basically, drag
[14:26:47] <WillenCMD> and drop the available functions into the text editor, and compile it all in one place
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[14:28:13] <JT-Shop> I need to drill some 1/2" thick copper bar iirc the SFM for drilling copper is pretty low?
[14:28:22] <WillenCMD> ill also be adding an easier version of a gui designer take care of all of the handler's in the gui wit no code writing.... I don't want to hear any more excuses about people don't use linuxcnc because its hard to set up
[14:28:47] <WillenCMD> it will be about as dumbed down as an iphone
[14:29:16] <WillenCMD> of course the old school folks don't have to use it
[14:30:37] <archivist> WillenCMD, I noticed that scrolling text in an editor window caused a big latency error on one box(video card)
[14:30:58] <archivist> was outside for a bit
[14:31:14] <WillenCMD> Like gedit?
[14:31:20] <archivist> yes
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[14:32:03] <archivist> really it is a huge graphics move
[14:32:15] <WillenCMD> noted: i'll have it direct some stdout into a .txt file, have it launch gedit and scroll continuously
[14:32:21] <Tom_itx> zlog
[14:32:22] <zlog> Tom_itx: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2012-09-03.html
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[14:32:57] <archivist> WillenCMD, I was using the scroll tab on the rhs
[14:33:10] <Tom_itx> WillenCMD is the info on their website?
[14:33:14] <Tom_itx> the van Keuren site
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[14:34:05] <Tom_itx> just looks like a catalog download page
[14:34:27] <WillenCMD> http://www.bonanza.com/listings/Precision-Measuring-Tools-by-Van-Keuren-25th-Anniversary/17785956?gpid=21297750541&gpkwd=&goog_pla=1&gclid=CMaPycnQmbICFYk-Mgod3XEAZg
[14:34:41] <WillenCMD> thats what the book looks like
[14:34:55] <WillenCMD> i don't know if they still sell them or not, but you can pick up a used one. Well worth it
[14:35:10] <WillenCMD> There is all the gear Theory one could desire in there
[14:35:11] <archivist> hmm I dont have that !
[14:36:01] <archivist> my gear books
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=621.833
[14:38:49] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: there is a weight limit for international addresses
[14:38:50] <WillenCMD> thats good collection there
[14:39:45] <WillenCMD> S machine gears are pretty small though, if i just gave you enough for the minimum to the maximum tooth allowance i don't know if it would weigh that much
[14:40:11] <WillenCMD> most of the time, your using idler's any way
[14:41:05] <archivist> I got a book of tables a couple of weeks ago for helicals published by Michigan Tool Co
[14:42:08] <archivist> with the S types cam feed helicals are out the question without adding a proper feed mechanism
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[14:42:42] <archivist> for helical I can still use the 5 axis mill as I do now
[14:43:45] <archivist> Tom_itx, I assume you want to make an extruder with that form
[14:44:30] <Tom_itx> that's the goal
[14:46:52] <archivist> using a tap as your hob?
[14:47:43] <Tom_itx> yeah probably
[14:47:49] <archivist> just gear A axis to spindle and dive in sideways with a cutter, will suddenly look good at the right depth when the pcd of the work matched the pitch of the cutter
[14:48:07] <archivist> cp not pcd
[14:48:09] <Tom_itx> no cnc here
[14:48:11] <Tom_itx> just a lathe
[14:48:14] <Tom_itx> and a tap
[14:49:54] <archivist> then tap in lathe chuck and work on a loose pivot on top slide pile in till looks reasonable
[14:50:39] <archivist> definitely a bodge
[14:50:47] <Tom_itx> i know
[14:51:11] <archivist> a centre to support the tap end
[14:51:14] <Tom_itx> i thought about using a drill and disengaging the chuck
[14:51:19] <Tom_itx> and let it turn free
[14:51:52] <archivist> I think you need very low friction
[14:51:58] <Tom_itx> yeah i agree
[14:52:07] <Tom_itx> i'll try your idea
[14:52:29] <Tom_itx> i gotta figure out what size things need to be first
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[15:26:50] <joe9> is G01 F<Feedrate> always in inches per minute or will it be mm per minute when G21 (metric mode)?
[15:27:57] <micges> mm/min in g21 mode
[15:28:02] <cpresser> joe9: i only use G21, there it is mm/min
[15:29:16] <joe9> is a feedrate of 152 very high in G21?
[15:29:25] <joe9> i expect that to be 6inches per minute
[15:29:30] <archivist> gets more confusing if you have a rotary
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[15:29:51] <DaViruz> joe9: correct
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[15:30:05] <joe9> micges, cpresser: the machine seems to be faster than at 6 inches per minute
[15:31:37] <cpresser> 6ipm is kind of slow.. i do rapid moves with ~200ipm
[15:31:39] <archivist> your machining feed rate depends on many factors
[15:32:12] <joe9> G02 X 9.600000 Y 10.000000 I 0.400000 J 0.000000 F 152.000000
[15:32:15] <joe9> is my gcode
[15:32:17] <r00t4rd3d> like screw pitch, what controller you have and what steppers you use and power supply
[15:32:28] <archivist> cut per tooth per rev at revs per minute
[15:32:31] <joe9> and there is a G94 G21 G17 G90 above that.
[15:33:02] <cpresser> for which material to cut?
[15:33:15] <joe9> it is just simple engraving material
[15:33:20] <joe9> cpresser: ^^
[15:33:24] <joe9> pretty soft, imho.
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[15:34:11] <archivist> some material is sticky
[15:34:32] <joe9> archivist: oh, ok.
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[15:35:10] <r00t4rd3d> plastic can melt and clog your flutes
[15:35:16] <cpresser> you should calculate how much material one tooth removes.
[15:35:53] <cpresser> for most plastics you want to remove about ~0.1mm per tooth
[15:35:59] <archivist> and then adjust for material and lubrication
[15:36:46] <joe9> ok, thanks. I am going at a stepdown = 0.1mm and stepover 0.2mm
[15:37:36] <cpresser> in the end you will have to do some experimantation to find good settings. it took me about a year of learning to get things working smoothly :)
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[15:39:22] <joe9> cpresser: ok, thanks.
[15:40:18] <cpresser> when you are going to cut steel and aluminium, there are a lot of good books and tables around; but for plastics there is no such thing :/
[15:40:22] <archivist> specially if the calculation give you a resonance on a flimsy machine
[15:40:43] <archivist> or resonance of the work
[15:42:10] <TekniQue> I encountered chatter when turning cast iron once, I managed to reduce it a lot by using different speeds for alternating passes
[15:43:54] <archivist> tool overhang is a common cause :)
[15:47:29] <syyl> of course, cpresser
[15:47:46] <syyl> every tool manufacturer that makes tooling for machining plasics supplies you with the cutting parameters
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[15:50:34] <joe9> is there any technique to clear out the G55 offsets on every "Home All"?
[15:50:51] <joe9> I added some code to axis.py, but that is intermittently crashing the axis gui.
[15:51:48] <cpresser> syyl: do you have a link to one of those tool manufacturers? i did talk a lot to the people at evonik-röhm, they told me to experiment myself
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[15:52:20] <syyl> i got my tooling for plastics from garant, thats a german tool supplier
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[15:52:38] <syyl> http://www.hoffmann-group.com/int/trading-competence/garant.html
[15:52:45] <syyl> they provide the parameters too
[15:59:06] <cpresser> syyl: thats a nice website. unfortunately i cant seem to find values for milling without lubricant.
[15:59:22] <cpresser> but nevertheless they provide a lot of usefull data :)
[16:01:54] <syyl> http://www.toolscout.de/ToolScout/?rvn=1
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[16:01:56] <syyl> try this :D
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[16:04:39] <syyl> go for tool selection -> quick selection
[16:05:34] <syyl> in the end, you can show the cutting datas for the selected tools/materials
[16:05:38] <cpresser> yep, got it. thats what i am looking at.
[16:05:58] <syyl> i have the paperversion, its pretty handy
[16:06:37] <cpresser> try to select 'Acrylic -> Plexiglas' then 'Vollnutfräsen'. so far i only found tools which require flood-coolant
[16:07:16] * cpresser needs to order the paper-version. so far i am using the tool-catalog from 'Horn'
[16:07:18] <syyl> http://www.hoffmann-group.com/uk/service-competence/downloads/machining-handbook.html
[16:07:36] <syyl> thats the e-version of the paper version ;)
[16:07:46] <syyl> somwhere theres also a pdf download
[16:08:39] <cpresser> if you switch to german, they offer a pdf.
[16:10:20] <cpresser> still, i wonder why the 'application experts' at röhm told me to figure out things myself. they didnt provide me with any hints to tool manufacturers or cutting data.
[16:10:41] <cpresser> and i even payed good money for a 'expert plexiglas training'
[16:11:56] <Jymmm> trying to machine plastic?
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[16:16:11] <Jymmm> Tooling that's specifically made for machining plastic and does a damn fine job of it too....
http://www.plasticrouting.com/
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[16:23:41] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2197515/Become-music-producer-need-Fisher-Price-record-player-3D-printer.html?printingPage=true
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[17:34:17] <skunkworks__> y
[17:34:37] <Jymmm> not
[17:34:43] <skunkworks__> heh
[17:35:29] <syyl> because!
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[17:40:01] <mhaberler> jthornton: how was that trick again to run halshow?
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[17:42:33] <ReadError> is there a program that is good for measurement?
[17:42:42] <ReadError> like angles and proportion
[17:42:45] <ReadError> like for example
[17:43:07] <ReadError> if i scanned a part with a ruler, i could select 1cm exactly, and it would scale itself to that scale
[17:43:12] <ReadError> so i could make measurements?
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[17:53:19] <Jymmm> If you have an image that has a reference point in it (a ruler as example), you can resize the image to give a 1:1 scale. You can take that image as a "Layer 1" is some aplications and use antoher layer to draw/trace the actual image.
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[17:55:16] <Jymmm> ReadError: I use CorelDraw for such things, but I suspect other drawing/graphic apps have the same functionality.
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[18:12:52] <jthornton> mhaberler
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/gui/gui06d.html
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[18:29:31] <cncbasher> great tutorial JT
[18:30:23] <cncbasher> how easy would it be to create a pdf .. for off line reading perhaps
[18:36:58] <jthornton> I'm not sure how it is done but the tutorial is asciidoc based and I use a makefile to build the html
[18:37:25] <jthornton> I found a guy on asciidoc to guide me in making the makefile
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[18:43:39] <cncbasher> it's so easy to understand John , clear and concise hats off to ya
[18:43:39] <jthornton> thanks
[18:43:40] <jthornton> which one are you looking at?
[18:43:40] <cncbasher> now i need to understand it all , you give me no excuses now
[18:43:42] <cncbasher> glade gui
[18:43:42] <cncbasher> 06
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[18:43:42] <jthornton> ah yea that is my last one and they do seem to get better as I go along
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[18:43:49] <jthornton> I have a few more pages left to do like homing and a few other things
[18:43:49] <jthornton> status bar for errors etc
[18:43:50] <cncbasher> my thoughts were to have it as pdf so can be offline , etc i just find it easier than trying to dual screen stuff
[18:43:50] <jthornton> yea, they are short enough to not waste a whole tree printing them
[18:43:50] <cncbasher> perhaps more of a seperate manual
[18:43:50] <jthornton> separate from?
[18:43:50] <cncbasher> if it's also incorporated into the build tree , then the docs automake would build as pdf's
[18:43:50] <jthornton> yea that would build pdf's
[18:43:50] <cncbasher> make a seperate linuxcnc doc tree for gui screen building
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[18:47:04] <cncbasher> my sugestion is as a seperate 'screenbuilder manual' rather than incorporate into the mainstream manuals
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[19:04:18] <jthornton> I think for now I'll concentrate on trying to finish gui6, the doc builder is so picky it ain't funny and it takes me quite a while to add a master doc
[19:05:03] <cncbasher> yea sure it was just thoughts
[19:06:48] <jthornton> good idea, just very time consuming to add anything
[19:07:00] <jthornton> and frustrating when it won't build
[19:07:46] <jthornton> if you see any typos or mistooks let me know
[19:07:56] <cncbasher> will do
[19:08:09] * jthornton heads to the shop
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[20:12:36] <Tom_itx> archivist, i don't think it turned out too bad
[20:12:38] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/reprap/drive2.jpg
[20:13:40] <archivist> a bit deep else ok
[20:14:36] <archivist> technique works
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[20:18:36] <Tom_itx> i went a little deep on purpose
[20:19:19] <Tom_itx> actually it's about half the depth of a M4 tap drill size
[20:19:28] <Tom_itx> that's what i figured it with
[20:19:28] <Skullworks> filament drive for a rep-rap?
[20:19:32] <Tom_itx> yessir
[20:21:26] <Skullworks> someday I'll finish the one I started...
[20:22:26] <jp__> tom_itx: nice job!!
[20:22:32] <Skullworks> "Life is what happens to you while you are busy making plans." - John Lennon
[20:23:18] <archivist> never do today what you can put off till tomorrow
[20:24:02] <Tom_itx> unless it's fun
[20:24:22] <jp__> Did you use a tap to do that?
[20:24:26] <Skullworks> Well my plans for today got cancelled due to a flat tire on the truck, and tire stores are all closed for the Holiday.
[20:24:55] * Jymmm hands Skullworks some duct tape
[20:25:03] <Jymmm> Skullworks: no spare?
[20:26:49] <Skullworks> an 18yr old bicycle tire type - it got me home - but I don't want to put any loads on it. - And the plans for today included moving the bullet casting machine and about 1300lbs of lead.
[20:27:20] <Jymmm> oh donut spare
[20:28:06] <Skullworks> Truck is a 96 - and its the original OEM spare - OK 16 years old...
[20:28:29] <Skullworks> my how time ( and the miles) fly
[20:29:36] <Skullworks> I am hunting down a OEM steel rim to keep a real spare, just have not found the time as yet.
[20:30:16] <Jymmm> craigslist?
[20:31:02] <Skullworks> the CL search engine gives you results for everything but what you really want.
[20:31:21] <Jymmm> toss up a WANTED ad
[20:31:40] <Jymmm> It's how I got my Honda EU2000i generator
[20:32:15] <archivist> can I put a wanted ad for money
[20:32:23] <Skullworks> I do hunt CL when I am trapped at work having to kill time ( can not update servers till 830pm when reports have finished...)
[20:32:58] <Jymmm> archivist: sure, but it's CL... So there's no telling what you have to do for it
[20:33:33] <Skullworks> I'm sure someone may have some confederate notes they might make you a deal on...
[20:35:34] <Skullworks> US has bills in rainbow and regular - mexico has 2 sets of notes out too - gets kinda confusing.
[20:36:58] <Skullworks> Never mind all the mix of coins... Heinz 57 + Baskin Robbins 31 just on quarters alone.
[20:40:33] <Tom_itx> jp__ yes
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[20:45:14] <jp__> Tom_itx: Thats how i did mine as well works pretty good on O1.
[20:45:21] <Skullworks> I want a WL-435, but I doubt I'd find one local on CL
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[20:51:40] <mhaberler> gee, the userland parport driver works just fine
[20:52:03] <skunkworks__> yay?
[20:52:16] <mhaberler> yay.
[20:52:34] <mhaberler> http://static.mah.priv.at/public/uparport.png
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[20:54:02] <mhaberler> "some jitter" since no RT provisions (yet), but that would be the base for the rt-preempt hal_parport driver
[20:54:04] <JT-Shop> mhaberler: did you see my reply to you?
[20:54:22] <mhaberler> yes, thanks - I'm current net-challenged
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[20:54:28] <mhaberler> got it to work
[20:54:33] <JT-Shop> cool
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[20:58:59] <skunkworks__> yay! :)
[20:59:29] <JT-Shop> yay!
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[21:01:04] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:04:17] <mhaberler> cu
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[21:47:09] <r00t4rd3d> cme
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[22:02:39] <jp__> Can pncconf be configured for two motors on one axix?
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[23:38:19] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/KIJi6.png
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