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[03:07:34] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/LG-demonstrates-wireless-Linux-Web-pad-at-CeBIT/
[03:07:40] <r00t4rd3d> LG had a iPad in 2001 :/
[03:07:55] <tjb1> hello channel
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[03:15:00] <tjb1> pooh an update to mdf madness
[03:15:26] <tjb1> someone needs to paint better :P
[03:29:21] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d
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[03:49:42] <r00t4rd3d> yeah im not the greatest detail painter
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[03:58:10] <tjb1> you in pennsylvania?
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[04:48:18] <JessicaRN> hola folks. has anyone got a 3d laser line scanner up and running?
[04:52:52] <t12> woah
[04:52:57] <t12> microscope stage microsteppers are pretty intense
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[05:07:06] <JessicaRN> hola folks. has anyone got a 3d laser line scanner up and running?
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[06:48:14] <DJ9DJ> moin
[06:48:27] <Jymmm> DJ9DJ: hi
[06:48:41] <DJ9DJ> good day, sir :D
[06:49:08] <Jymmm> Yes Ma'am
[06:49:24] <DJ9DJ> hrhr
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[12:02:51] <r00t4rd3d> anyone ever mess with burl and stabilizing it?
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[12:04:54] <jthornton> mine is still living
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[12:05:56] <r00t4rd3d> im going burl hunting today
[12:07:28] <jthornton> I've got a huge oak tree that grows at a 15 degree angle and is burled for about 30'
[12:08:53] <r00t4rd3d> what was your address again?
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[12:10:31] <jthornton> I can't remember
[12:11:14] <jthornton> my neighbor has a chunk that is about 3' across and 4' long just sitting there
[12:12:51] <jthornton> anyone know how to add a hal pin in the python launcher file?
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[12:16:38] <jthornton> the example here doesn't work http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/gladevcp.html#gladevcp:Adding_HAL_pins
[12:17:33] <r00t4rd3d> the right piece of burl can be worth a good chunk of change
[12:17:53] <r00t4rd3d> i seen some on ebay for $6500
[12:18:23] <jthornton> dang
[12:19:13] <jthornton> I get this error when I try to do the example hal.error: Invalid argument
[12:21:12] <r00t4rd3d> try shouting
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[12:22:54] <vespakoen> Wow! big community, awesome!
[12:25:08] <vespakoen> So, if I may, my name is Koen, I am a 22 year old programmer from the netherlands, always had a passions for mechanics & electronics too, and since not so long ago bass-guitars =D done a lot or 3d modeling in the past for games / game development too
[12:26:41] <vespakoen> Now I have been thinking about making myself a Gibson EB2 (http://guitarphotographer.com/Gibson-Bass-Guitars/gibson-eb2-n-l.JPG) but to get it looking nice, I need some kind of CNC machine =D and I stumbled upon this project, very very cool! I am hoping you guys can help me with this question:
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[12:27:23] <vespakoen> I am familiar with 3ds max, and autocad, is there any plugin / script made that can turn lines into a "Linux CNC execution script" ?
[12:27:47] <r00t4rd3d> you need some type of cam software
[12:28:05] <r00t4rd3d> cam turns cad into gcode
[12:28:06] <jthornton> have you seen heekscad?
[12:28:15] <vespakoen> Ill check it out
[12:29:06] <r00t4rd3d> does 3dsm have a dxf export?
[12:29:22] <vespakoen> ah I see a vid on youtube that there are options for turning DXF to G code, I guess I can export my stuff to DXF
[12:29:28] <jthornton> will you be milling 3-D or just profiles?
[12:29:45] <vespakoen> I don't care how many conversion steps I need =P I can go from 3ds max to autocad, from there probably to heekscad, and from there to g-code =P
[12:29:54] <vespakoen> I guess I'll just have to play around with these options
[12:30:05] <vespakoen> uhm, 3d, in wood
[12:30:25] <vespakoen> http://guitarphotographer.com/Gibson-Bass-Guitars/gibson-eb2-n-l.JPG see the reflection on the body there?
[12:30:30] <jthornton> there is also image2gcode
[12:30:31] <vespakoen> thats the part i need to get done =)
[12:30:36] <r00t4rd3d> some cam programs like Cut2d will work with 3ds files
[12:30:50] <vespakoen> ah cool
[12:30:57] <vespakoen> im going to write all those done
[12:30:59] <vespakoen> down*
[12:31:24] <jthornton> so it is a 3-D surface you want to mill
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[12:32:00] <vespakoen> yeah
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[12:32:16] <vespakoen> also, I have this machine http://www.kruis.nl/images/large/dw614.jpg
[12:32:44] <vespakoen> Do you guys think I could turn that into a CNC machine =D ?
[12:32:55] <jthornton> so 3-D model > CAM > G code
[12:33:18] <vespakoen> yeah that's the plan
[12:34:11] <r00t4rd3d> how good are you in 3dsm?
[12:34:13] <vespakoen> do you guys know any good resources on building this machine? I can get my hands on step-motors and the electronic boards etc, that's not a problem, but I am not sure how to get this 3-axis "thing" in place
[12:34:13] <jthornton> Loetmichel, has built some nice CNC routers
[12:34:33] <vespakoen> r00t4rd3d, pretty good, I can make "cutting lines" over the model and export only them
[12:35:01] <vespakoen> Loetmichel, pics & plans / prices =D ?
[12:35:06] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc_router_table_machines/
[12:35:17] <r00t4rd3d> that is a forum you should be a member of
[12:35:18] <vespakoen> wow great
[12:35:23] <vespakoen> will sign up right away
[12:35:57] <jthornton> also this forum http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum
[12:36:25] <Loetmichel> vespakoen: not aviable, becaus exisitong mostly only between my ears
[12:36:27] <Loetmichel> the plans
[12:36:41] <Loetmichel> i tend to construct "on the fly" while building ;-)
[12:36:43] <jthornton> you have some nice photos
[12:36:54] <vespakoen> hehe cool
[12:37:10] <vespakoen> ah great, you guys are being very helpful =D
[12:37:34] <Loetmichel> jthornton: you mean like this: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935
[12:37:35] <Loetmichel> ?
[12:37:51] <Loetmichel> or this: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11205
[12:37:51] <jthornton> ya
[12:37:53] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[12:38:42] <vespakoen> the linuxcnc forum says my zipcode has to be an integer, in the netherlands we have letters in it too =P
[12:38:56] <Loetmichel> vespakoen: shi* happens
[12:39:06] <vespakoen> wow man, that's amazing!
[12:39:25] <jthornton> I don't think you have to enter your zip code
[12:39:34] <vespakoen> yeh, i'll get past it = P
[12:40:27] <vespakoen> Okay, moderators, approve me please =D =P
[12:41:23] <jthornton> :)
[12:41:52] <vespakoen> Loetmichel, those rails you have there, where did you get them?
[12:42:03] <Loetmichel> which machine?
[12:42:36] <vespakoen> CNC machine =)
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[12:42:45] <vespakoen> oh
[12:42:45] <vespakoen> lol
[12:42:46] <Loetmichel> first or second link?
[12:42:55] <vespakoen> second
[12:42:59] <Loetmichel> china
[12:43:07] <vespakoen> linky? =D
[12:43:26] <Loetmichel> searcing, just a moment
[12:43:37] <vespakoen> great, thanks
[12:43:48] <vespakoen> oh, and this paper plane, did you CNC it too? http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4991&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 =P
[12:43:55] <Loetmichel> http://myworld.ebay.de/linearmotionbearings2008
[12:44:00] <Loetmichel> this supplier
[12:44:31] <vespakoen> ah great, thanks
[12:44:52] <Loetmichel> its not a paper plane, its a very thin glass fibre fuselage fillet with newspaper to make it sturdy enough for making a mold from it
[12:45:42] <vespakoen> a mold? you use a sensor to put a real object into a computer object?
[12:46:08] <Loetmichel> no, just milled the mould seperating plates accordingly tu the fuselage.
[12:46:22] <vespakoen> ah I see
[12:46:22] <Loetmichel> the mould itself was made entirey bay hand
[12:46:25] <Loetmichel> by
[12:46:27] <vespakoen> cool
[12:46:31] <vespakoen> I have a glider
[12:46:39] <vespakoen> https://www.google.nl/search?q=gentle+lady&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=nl&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=qgNCUOeCOYST0QW92YDIBg&biw=1920&bih=1112&sei=rANCUOe7CJSN0wWZuYH4Ag
[12:46:40] <vespakoen> =P
[12:46:57] <Loetmichel> bu í HAVE made so moulds for plane parts on the CNC
[12:47:38] <vespakoen> I am getting so exited about making this machine, I could build rc places so much faster =P
[12:47:52] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7338 <. a wingtip-tank for example
[12:47:54] <vespakoen> and all kinds of other stuff that I can't think of ow
[12:48:05] <vespakoen> yeah, that looks amazing
[12:48:11] <vespakoen> did you sand it there already?
[12:48:15] <vespakoen> or is this "raw" from the machine
[12:48:18] <Loetmichel> raw
[12:48:29] <vespakoen> wow
[12:48:41] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/hajo/aussentank.avi
[12:48:54] <Loetmichel> ... lasted a while, tough...
[12:49:01] <vespakoen> hehe
[12:49:02] <Loetmichel> (about 30 hours ;-)
[12:49:07] <vespakoen> and with what program did you design it?
[12:49:14] <vespakoen> or G-coded it =P
[12:49:38] <Loetmichel> didnt desigh it, have a friend who is fit with maya and some other tools
[12:49:44] <vespakoen> ah ok great
[12:49:59] <vespakoen> I can't get the video to load really
[12:50:05] <Loetmichel> and then used deskproto to make a (53MB) gcode from it ;-)
[12:50:15] <Loetmichel> vespakoen: download it and play it
[12:50:29] <Loetmichel> wait a moment, i will put it on youtube
[12:51:32] <vespakoen> good idea
[12:51:36] <vespakoen> nah, ill download it ;)
[12:51:49] <Loetmichel> uploading right now ;-)
[12:53:55] <Loetmichel> http://youtu.be/cEG7-6zwpt4
[12:53:59] <jthornton> ok, I can make a hal pin now to crack the postgui nut
[12:54:12] <vespakoen> great
[12:55:45] <jthornton> neat Loetmichel
[12:57:11] <Loetmichel> i made some errors on the first run
[12:57:18] <Loetmichel> hence the white straks
[12:58:19] <Loetmichel> anyway the first run was a few tenths below desired size intentionally, have milled it out of the MDF and then "painted" it with a fast setting resin and did a "fine" run afterwards
[12:58:28] <Loetmichel> so it has a closed surface without pores
[12:58:54] <Loetmichel> the video is of the "fine" run
[12:59:31] <vespakoen> with fine, you mean you can configure the program to like, say "make it more dense" or did you have to "regenerate" the whole script to do it with a different density?
[13:00:59] <Loetmichel> i have mate to gcodefiles: one with the coarse cutting (about 2mm between the milling lines) and one with 0,1mm betwenn two lines... and a second tund 90° to the first run
[13:01:20] <Loetmichel> the mill nit in the video is 8mm in diameter and flat head
[13:01:53] <vespakoen> ah I see
[13:01:54] <vespakoen> great
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[13:03:35] <Loetmichel> ... the whole tank is about 80cm long by 15 cm diameter ;-)
[13:05:50] <vespakoen> I can't wait to see my machine running =D
[13:06:05] <vespakoen> damn, these forum topics from people making guitars are giving me a boner =P
[13:08:01] <Loetmichel> never managed to get the grip for guitars
[13:08:21] <vespakoen> to play it or make them?
[13:08:25] <Loetmichel> have been a modest keyboard player once, though
[13:08:27] <Loetmichel> play
[13:08:51] <vespakoen> ah, me too! and drums
[13:08:52] <Loetmichel> making isnt a real problem ;-)
[13:09:12] <vespakoen> I actually can't play the guitar either, but bass-guitar goes pretty well
[13:09:19] <vespakoen> make a leslie speaker =D
[13:09:22] <vespakoen> for your keyboard
[13:09:36] <Loetmichel> WAS a keyboard player
[13:09:50] <vespakoen> ohh haha
[13:09:52] <Loetmichel> sins my sis got the piano i have not played anything
[13:10:02] <Loetmichel> ... which is about 20 jears ago ;-)
[13:10:04] <Loetmichel> since
[13:10:12] <vespakoen> It's a shame! =D
[13:10:31] <Loetmichel> too lazy, to much other hobbies ;-)
[13:10:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/mPXVb.jpg
[13:10:42] <r00t4rd3d> 2nd coat
[13:14:35] <jthornton> looking good
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[13:20:35] <r00t4rd3d> i need an airbrush or something
[13:20:55] <r00t4rd3d> i suck at detail painting
[13:27:55] <jthornton> ah ha... making headway on postgui
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[14:02:54] <jthornton> hot dam! I can read the postgui file in my gui!
[14:03:33] <pfred1> sounds messy
[14:03:43] <jthornton> no, not really
[14:03:50] <pfred1> gooey
[14:04:01] <jthornton> anyone see my post to the user list?
[14:04:26] <archivist> nah it is post gooey, dried up
[14:04:39] <pfred1> de-gooed?
[14:04:58] * pfred1 checks his bottle of Goo-Gone ...
[14:06:16] <pfred1> hrm I don't know about this monitor I just got it can only do 1024x768
[14:07:44] <pfred1> I guess I'll have to see what it looks like fired up
[14:08:59] * pfred1 just scored with a bunch of Dremel bits though :)
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[14:13:51] <jthornton> toot toot http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=41&id=22676&limit=6&start=66#23829
[14:17:17] * archivist gives jthornton a project of a hobbing machine gui
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[14:18:11] <jthornton> what does it have to do?
[14:19:45] <archivist> have a tool table, know about gear standards, fiddle hal gearing
[14:20:06] <archivist> and a simple cutting move
[14:20:43] <jthornton> that could be done in HAL like my winder example
[14:20:54] <archivist> Im thinking about how to change gearing without following errors
[14:21:17] <jthornton> on the fly?
[14:21:46] <archivist> yup, so the gearing has to change ratio slowly
[14:22:18] <jthornton> can you just change the velocity?
[14:23:28] <archivist> to move from 10:1 to 34:1 would be a step change so cause an error I think
[14:24:21] <archivist> dunno if homing would trick the system to make it easy
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[14:24:46] <jthornton> AFAIK you can't change the scale on the fly, but my winder example changes the velocity on the fly
[14:26:53] <pfred1> I need to take a Dremel haul shot
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[14:30:45] <archivist> jthornton, I am thinking of encoder_ratio
[14:31:13] <r00t4rd3d> 20 minutes in the woods and i bagged me a nice burl knuckle
[14:31:36] <jthornton> archivist, I'm not following what has to happen
[14:33:57] <archivist> in a nutshell spindle geared (depending on cutter helix) to a number add an offset angle from Z for a helical (0 for spur)
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[14:34:10] <archivist> send to A
[14:34:54] <archivist> also there is a plus-1 depending on cutter rh/lh thread
[14:35:41] <pfred1> good deal for $3? http://i.imgur.com/R0WOF.jpg
[14:35:59] <archivist> I think slow changing of the ratio will allow live gear changing without a reboot
[14:36:55] <archivist> now go and pay the man the other $3 it was worth :)
[14:38:43] <Tom_itx> archivist you're being generous
[14:39:53] <jthornton> so basically you want the spindle turn at different ratios to the cutter but not change the ratio while you cut?
[14:45:33] <archivist> not while cutting ever
[14:47:17] <jthornton> that does sound like the same as doing a chamfer from a MPG by controlling the ratio you control the angle
[14:48:11] <archivist> basicly the ratio spindle to work is no of teeth/number of helixes on the cutter http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/lucid/index.php/french/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=24&id=8067&start=12#10646
[14:48:16] <jp__> morning
[14:48:20] <jthornton> so the driver stepper is the 1 part of the ratio and the driven is the 10 part
[14:48:51] <jthornton> so you feed the driven stepgen the driver x the ratio
[14:49:01] <archivist> for 10 tooth work and may have a machine internal gear to add
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[14:49:22] <jp__> jthornton: where can i send that python/glade prog i was playing with to you?
[14:49:51] <jthornton> archivist, like andy said yea
[14:49:57] <archivist> eg my machine has a ratio of 10 internal, or 20 if I add an encoder direct to the spindle
[14:52:05] <archivist> last nights pics of machine progress http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_08_31_Barber_Colman_S_type/
[14:53:12] <jthornton> very nice
[14:54:18] <archivist> so do I drive via that worm you can see, or direct drive, choices
[14:54:32] <ScribbleJ> Ooooh, pretty!
[14:55:13] <archivist> because it is becoming shiny should I do a mechanical restoration to standard!
[14:56:29] <pfred1> is that a second operation lathe?
[14:56:52] <archivist> no a gear hobbing machine
[14:56:57] <pfred1> oh
[14:57:08] <pfred1> what is that rickety end table you have it on? :)
[14:57:45] <archivist> the table is original I think
[14:58:03] <pfred1> that thing looks like it weighs a few pounds
[14:58:10] <archivist> I got side tracked yesterday and started cleaning other toy http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_08_31_Bechler_N.EA/
[14:59:07] <pfred1> they just don't make sickly green paint like that anymore
[14:59:10] <archivist> I want to do the first I know of linuxcnc sliding head (swiss) lathe
[15:00:43] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop do you know anything about stl files?
[15:00:53] <Tom_itx> and how to extract dimension information from them?
[15:01:32] <archivist> the file should state its units methinks
[15:01:58] <Tom_itx> after importing to solidworks i can't get any useable data from the model
[15:02:52] * jthornton runs out to the shop to answer Tom
[15:07:10] <jthornton> Tom_itx, many file types when imported into SW are not directly editable by SW
[15:07:49] <Tom_itx> i'm trying to import a model so i can get some dimensions to mill a few parts
[15:07:57] <Tom_itx> it's for a delta arm
[15:08:31] <jthornton> does the ruler thingy work to measure faces and stuff?
[15:08:35] <Tom_itx> i could post one if you care to try
[15:09:02] <Tom_itx> well i'm not that good at solidworks but i tried to export it as a iges and it said there was no useable data
[15:09:04] <jthornton> sure send it to me
[15:09:24] <jthornton> let me go out to the shop
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[15:11:59] <JT-Shop> uuu hoo I'm out here
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[15:16:09] <archivist> stl being one lump not a model iirc
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[15:37:36] <r00t4rd3d> Tom_itx, link to the model?
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[15:38:04] <r00t4rd3d> i can convert stl to anything
[15:38:14] <r00t4rd3d> with....
[15:38:18] <r00t4rd3d> Sketchup!
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[15:39:41] <r00t4rd3d> converting stl to dxf is simple with the right plugins
[15:40:15] <r00t4rd3d> import, select all, export :D
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[15:42:29] <Tom_itx> jthornton, is there a place in solidworks i should set the units to mm before i import it?
[15:43:04] <jthornton> not that I know of, if it is not in the options settings for that file type
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[15:58:38] <r00t4rd3d> http://i1.kwejk.pl/site_media/obrazki/2012/09/9e673efe729fc78189b699bba7a64e53.gif?1346508114
[15:59:57] <jthornton> bet she had a crappy day
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[16:05:01] <r00t4rd3d> have you ever seen a bee take a piss?
[16:05:03] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/PX8J2.gif
[16:05:06] <r00t4rd3d> now you have!
[16:07:17] * pfred1 has never seen moth balls either
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[17:13:32] <Jymmmm> dumb server
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[17:18:52] <Tom_itx> jthornton, i figured out the issue. they had it scaled wrong
[17:18:55] <Tom_itx> all is good now
[17:18:59] <Tom_itx> thanks a bunch
[17:19:10] <jthornton> cool
[17:19:32] <Tom_itx> it should have been 250mm but the config file had it set to 120mm
[17:19:41] <Tom_itx> so it imported correct both times
[17:20:13] <Tom_itx> wanna mill some parts :D
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[17:21:41] <Tom_itx> jthornton, this is what it looks like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er-hhdF7SYQ&feature=youtu.be%20buzz
[17:22:41] <Jymmmm> Tom_itx: ScribbleJ made/has one of those
[17:22:45] <Tom_itx> that's his
[17:22:54] <Jymmmm> Oh, that IS ScribbleJ's video =)
[17:22:57] <ScribbleJ> Mine looks a lot like that one.
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[17:23:07] <Jymmmm> ScribbleJ: yeah, but yours sucks!
[17:23:14] <ScribbleJ> Too true. :P
[17:23:17] <Jymmmm> =)
[17:23:35] <ScribbleJ> Tom_itx, you might be interested to knwo what motors I put on that.
[17:23:45] <Jymmmm> ScribbleJ: Had you oainted your FB Red, then it wouldn't suck
[17:23:53] <Jymmmm> painted
[17:24:06] <Jymmmm> bah, FM Red
[17:24:35] <Tom_itx> ScribbleJ i was able to get the iges files
[17:24:38] <ScribbleJ> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stepper-motor-NEW-Nema17-DIY-CNC-Router-Mill-Robot-Reprap-Makerbot-Arduino-/320842713273?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab3b748b9 So here's the fun part, that 17-tooth gt2 pulley.
[17:25:06] <jthornton> Tom_itx, run by cables?
[17:25:13] <Tom_itx> belts
[17:25:25] <Tom_itx> look thru the files
[17:25:42] <Tom_itx> the whole set is in that directory
[17:25:59] <jthornton> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYs6jASd_Ww&feature=endscreen&NR=1
[17:26:42] <Tom_itx> yeah
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[17:27:13] <jthornton> I can see the belts on that one
[17:27:41] <Tom_itx> i wanted to make one before this came out for a pick n place
[17:27:50] <Tom_itx> but this is kinda cool
[17:27:57] <Tom_itx> linear slides would be the shizzle
[17:28:01] <Tom_itx> but $$$
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[17:28:33] <Jymmmm> wouldn't linear slides be too much friction using belts?
[17:28:42] <Tom_itx> you wouldn't use belts
[17:28:49] <Tom_itx> linear motors
[17:29:06] <Tom_itx> you would attach the arms to them
[17:29:11] <Jymmmm> oh
[17:29:59] <Tom_itx> it would be hard to have limit switches on them i think
[17:30:03] <Tom_itx> maybe at the top
[17:30:40] <Jymmmm> third arm
[17:30:50] <L84Supper> oohh a Thai Stepper
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[17:33:03] <L84Supper> fair priced consumer grade linear motors, they just need an application to be real
[17:33:19] <Jymmmm> L84Supper: beer delivery
[17:34:00] <L84Supper> I'll add that to the project proposal
[17:34:16] <Tom_itx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAwOxA0lq8&feature=relmfu
[17:34:22] <Tom_itx> that's real
[17:34:23] <L84Supper> attach stuffed mouse for cat entertainment device
[17:35:17] <L84Supper> Foxconn is adding 1 million similar robots to their new factory
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[17:40:14] <L84Supper> their other design is similar to these http://hitechanalogy.com/foxconn-deploy-01-million-robots-cut-rising-labor-costs/
[17:44:06] <Jymmmm> Let's see frida carry a full wine glass and not spill a drop =)
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[17:45:14] <L84Supper> the hope is that the robots won't throw themselves out of windows
[17:45:48] <jthornton> well the suicide rate at foxcon is lower than the national average over there iirc
[17:45:54] <Jymmmm> Just treat your ppl right
[17:46:12] <L84Supper> tell that to a sociopath :)
[17:46:26] <Jymmmm> eh
[17:47:12] <r00t4rd3d> andypugh-iPhone
[17:47:22] <Jymmmm> I can't truly comment; the chinese culture is a big difference than US
[17:48:01] <L84Supper> from what I've seen so far they have the same machines in Chinese factories as they do in the west ....
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[17:49:40] <Jymmmm> Andy was going to the geek fest today
[17:49:55] <L84Supper> they just seem to lack experience and the secret sauce
[17:50:15] <Jymmmm> or, they just don't care
[17:51:08] <L84Supper> their auto industry is driving much of it now, it requires quality parts
[17:51:32] <Jymmmm> They gave what ppl wanted, cheap.
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[17:52:14] <L84Supper> but if you noticed that Fozconn setup a factory in Taiwan to build the million robots for their plant in China
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[17:52:35] <Jymmmm> They didn't want cheap is all.
[17:53:52] <L84Supper> Taiwan already has the infrastructure and experience to build precision machines, China has it for electronic assembly but not for mechanical assembly yet
[17:55:34] <Jymmmm> We all wouldn't have cheap individual guberment tracking devices (cellphones) if it wasn't for communist China mfg! </conspiracy _theory> =)
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[18:01:02] <L84Supper> with win8 and surface I wonder how much longer desktop mainboards/cpu/gpu cards will be available?
[18:01:32] <archivist> offices still need servers
[18:01:41] <L84Supper> what will we be forced to use in 2-3 years as platforms for LinuxCNC
[18:01:55] <archivist> designers need proper machines not toys
[18:02:26] <L84Supper> true, but does M$ care about that small sliver of business?
[18:02:52] <archivist> probably as they buy office software
[18:03:05] <L84Supper> and if they move to their own hardware what will PC vendors decide to do?
[18:03:49] <archivist> machines designed for server farms are probably ok
[18:03:50] <L84Supper> if M$ only supports their own locked down hardware like Apple
[18:04:29] <L84Supper> will PC part prices jump 500% in the next few years due to the lack of volume?
[18:05:56] <L84Supper> machine controllers are a really small market compared to consumer phones/tablets
[18:06:29] <L84Supper> I wonder what will be available to run Linux in a few years?
[18:08:58] <archivist> a bigger problem in my eyes is rtai not being kept up to date and people deprecating stuff on older releases
[18:09:57] <L84Supper> archivist, what would help to keep RTAI up to date? funded devs?
[18:10:33] <archivist> and devs choosing the latest xxxx that does not run on an older box
[18:11:17] <L84Supper> archivist, are there the same problems with Xenomai?
[18:11:17] <archivist> I see lots of breakage where boost gets used
[18:12:12] <archivist> I know nothing about Zenomai
[18:12:44] <L84Supper> I'm working with a group of devs in China that also work with RTAI, coreboot and are/were with AMD
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[18:13:59] <L84Supper> the idea is to have coreboot for AMD boards used mainly for LinuxCNC
[18:15:11] <archivist> and then there are herd followers in Ubuntu who change the interface without any real need other than follow fashion, a reason I prefer older versions
[18:15:16] <L84Supper> as well as making sure RTAI is working well
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[18:16:39] <ScribbleJ> Is there some hosehold procut that's safe to put in my water for water cooling my laser, that will help keep it a bit antimicrobial?
[18:16:46] <ScribbleJ> Like... touch of bleach, maybe?
[18:17:09] <L84Supper> what materials does the water come in contact with?
[18:17:33] <L84Supper> will the chlorine attack anything?
[18:17:36] <Tom_itx> what about RV antifreze?
[18:17:41] <ScribbleJ> glass, silicone tubing and caulk. I'm not sure if there's any metal bits in the glass laser tube.
[18:18:23] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't drink it but it's supposed to be safer than regular antifreze
[18:18:29] <archivist> take the water up to 100 deg c
[18:18:43] <ScribbleJ> archivist, that sort of defeats the purpose of using it to COOL THE LASER.
[18:18:50] <Tom_itx> heh
[18:19:00] <archivist> :)
[18:19:06] <ScribbleJ> Good news: your laser is clean. Bad news: it's also toast.
[18:19:14] <L84Supper> Propylene Glycol @ Farm n Fleet out in Woodstock, ~$20/gal
[18:19:24] <archivist> what is the running temp range
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[18:20:26] <archivist> you could heat after the first cooling radiator then re-cool
[18:20:29] <ScribbleJ> What would you do with PG by the gallon?
[18:21:25] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, used mixed with or instead of water
[18:21:40] <ScribbleJ> Isn't PG a fine media for bacteria?
[18:21:45] <Tom_itx> easy solution: pass it thru a UV lamp
[18:21:49] <L84Supper> it has a 188.2 C boiling point
[18:21:52] <Tom_itx> that's what fishtanks use
[18:22:36] <Tom_itx> http://www.fishtanksdirect.com/uv-sterilizer.aspx?gclid=CLKtmev_lLICFedNTAodHHgAUw
[18:22:39] <archivist> I googled and one tub maker specs "Cool water use distilled water or pure water,"
[18:23:40] <ScribbleJ> Well, maybe I didn't define my problem well enough. Some bugs got in my cooling tank and I cleaned it all out, but there's a bit of a sliminess to the pump and proabbly I'd guess inside some of the laser. I suppose it'll all rinse out eventually, but I'd love to be able to add some kind of safe cleaning agent.
[18:23:49] <L84Supper> you can add germicides and fungicides to DI water since he isn't adding fish
[18:23:55] <ScribbleJ> Maybe bleach is fine if I just do it as a one-time thing to get it cleaned.
[18:24:01] <ScribbleJ> Then rinse it out well.
[18:25:01] <Tom_itx> won't the laser kill the bacteria?
[18:25:27] <ScribbleJ> I dunno, that's a good question.!
[18:25:45] <Tom_itx> that or one of the uv thingies i posted
[18:25:51] <Tom_itx> i had one of those on my tank
[18:26:16] <L84Supper> those glycol systems for PC cooling premix PG with everything, look for some on sale
[18:27:37] <ScribbleJ> I'm pretty sure my e-cigs contain 99% PG and I pay a shitton more than $20/gal.
[18:27:47] <ScribbleJ> Er, not really related to anything.
[18:27:49] <ScribbleJ> Heh
[18:28:02] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, it all depends on what materials the water will come in contact with, and a few minutes of bleach might be trick and might not hurt anything
[18:28:19] <ScribbleJ> That's what I'm thinking.
[18:28:27] <ScribbleJ> And when I was considering materials, I didn't even think of the pump itself.
[18:28:30] <L84Supper> yeah, don't anyone that the secret smoke sauce is only $20/gal
[18:28:31] <ScribbleJ> Who thehell knows what's in that.
[18:30:21] <Tom_itx> small aquarium pump?
[18:30:58] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactericide
[18:31:31] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fungicides
[18:33:54] <Jymmmm> ScribbleJ: 8 drops of 6% bleach per gallon of clear water
[18:35:18] <Jymmmm> even 4 drops should help for clear clean water, the best is distilled as it has no minerals to build up on componets
[18:35:49] <L84Supper> DI water should be a definite
[18:36:42] <Jymmmm> L84Supper: dont know where to BUY DI water
[18:37:07] <Jymmmm> those water stores?
[18:37:17] <L84Supper> http://www.farmandfleet.com/products/009503-propylene_glycol.html
[18:37:41] <L84Supper> H2O'r'us
[18:37:46] <Jymmmm> lol
[18:38:32] <Jymmmm> ScribbleJ: If you just boil water in a pot/bucket that has a lid with some metal tubing, you can do it yourself =)
[18:39:00] <Tom_itx> if you're going to that trouble you may as well make a still
[18:39:06] <Jymmmm> bleach does/will eat silicon/rubber tubing eventually.
[18:39:11] <Tom_itx> get something beneficial from it
[18:39:14] <Jymmmm> Tom_itx: (hint hint nudge nudge)
[18:39:46] <Jymmmm> Tom_itx: (I'm trying to work him there, baby steps, baby steps =)
[18:40:45] <Jymmmm> ScribbleJ: And it's PG + food grade essential oils
[18:40:49] <L84Supper> http://www.farmandfleet.com/products/720063-chloradine_solution.html
[18:41:18] <Jymmmm> distilled water is cheaper
[18:41:33] <L84Supper> oh, just added to DI water
[18:41:52] <Jymmmm> he has to have DI water first to add to it
[18:42:49] <L84Supper> http://www.amazon.com/ACTIVATE-Deionized-Water-33-8-Ounce-Bottles/dp/B0039LWD5M/ref=pd_sim_sbs_indust_2/189-9133213-2213332
[18:43:22] <Jymmmm> or $4 for a gallon of distlled at the local store, no shipping
[18:43:43] * Jymmmm smacks L84Supper with a DI Machine!
[18:44:18] <L84Supper> make your own reverse osmosis ionic filtering system at home
[18:48:47] <Jymmmm> Arrowhead Distilled Ware, 1 gallon $1.49
[18:48:50] <Jymmmm> Water
[18:49:10] <Jymmmm> @ safeway
[18:50:04] <L84Supper> yeah, comes down to how pure you need it, should be fine for a cooling system, not as a reagent
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[18:50:47] <mrsun> timing belts, do they stretch and so ?
[18:50:52] <mrsun> better to use chains ?
[18:51:42] <L84Supper> http://www.oehs.wayne.edu/biosafety/proper-disinfectants.pdf
[18:51:43] <archivist> steel timing belts should be as good if not better than chain, depends on needs
[18:52:37] <archivist> talking about the wire core, others are rayon or similar
[18:53:12] <mrsun> its for linear drive system insted of screws in cnc application (wood working machine)
[18:53:21] <Jymmmm> ScribbleJ: I would flush your existing system with 3 gallons of water + 8 drops of bleach and let the pump run for at least 60m. then flush out with clean distiled water to remove bleach for 60m, then fill with fresh distilled water after that. somthing like that =)
[18:53:53] <mrsun> http://www.brusselsprout.org/CNC/smasher/new-pulleys.jpg that type =)
[18:54:02] <Jymmmm> bleach loves to linger =)
[18:54:36] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, have you been effected by the great maple syrup robbery?
[18:55:08] * FinboySlick is an angry Canadian.
[18:55:18] <L84Supper> http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/379543/20120831/quebec-maple-syrup-producers-robbed-30-million.htm
[18:55:27] <Jymmmm> mrsun: couldn't you add a spring loaded idler wheel if stretch was an issue?
[18:55:38] <archivist> someone has sticky fingers
[18:55:46] <FinboySlick> What they don't say in the article is how much of that actually belongs to the Queen.
[18:55:53] <mrsun> Jymmmm, was just thinking of stretch at load and and fast reverses
[18:56:43] <Jymmmm> mrsun: what is the tool?
[18:56:48] <archivist> just specify the belt to suit the load
[18:56:49] <L84Supper> slashdot had the story as though the "strategic maple syrup reserves" has been robbed
[18:57:11] <mrsun> Jymmmm, well wood cutters i guess =)
[18:57:11] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Yeah, I read it.
[18:57:24] <L84Supper> is it really called that?
[18:57:29] <Jymmmm> mrsun: You are using belts on a router?
[18:57:30] <FinboySlick> Somehow, that led me to a drunk moose in a tree.
[18:57:40] <mrsun> thats what i was thinking of doing
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[18:58:07] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Perhaps. I haven't been involved with the inner sanctum of maple syrup producers.
[18:58:16] <Jymmmm> mrsun: I've only seen belts used on non-contact tools... laser, waterjet, plasma, edm, etc
[18:59:06] <mrsun> one could do the same thing with a chain also, tho alot of torque is lost doing it like that :/
[18:59:10] <mrsun> even with timing belts
[18:59:13] <mrsun> compared to screws
[18:59:29] <archivist> mrsun, http://www.hpcgears.com/newpdf/download.php?file=technical_timing.pdf
[19:00:13] <archivist> work out your loads acceleration etc and use a large enough section
[19:00:34] <archivist> and tension the system correctly
[19:01:00] <mrsun> yeah but now i started to think if the motors would even be strong enough, or atleast that i would need big motors to drive it as i lose torque compared toa screw
[19:01:25] <archivist> are you sure
[19:01:46] <mrsun> no im not :P
[19:01:47] <archivist> have whatever gearing you need
[19:01:58] <Jymmmm> mrsun: As they say, there is nothing that hasn't already been tried before. why not do a lil research and see how someone else did using belts?
[19:02:20] <mrsun> Jymmmm, yeah i guess =)
[19:02:51] <Jymmmm> mrsun: From that photo, it looks like you've already done belts, so might be pointless, but just a thought is all.
[19:02:52] <archivist> spend your life researching and never get anything done, design
[19:03:17] <mrsun> Jymmmm, thats not my thingie =)
[19:03:56] <Jymmmm> mrsun: Ah, ok. Maybe someone came up with a slick solution
[19:04:13] <Jymmmm> you can plagerize =)
[19:07:42] <mrsun> well i was thinking something in those lines as he has done as belts arent so expensive =)
[19:09:05] <mrsun> hmm, maybe start on a welded frame with a machine some day here, 150x150cm (half a standard mdf board size) and build myself upwards =)
[19:10:01] <L84Supper> archivist, have you ever come across a clock that used belts for timing that was very accurate?
[19:10:45] <L84Supper> just wondering if anyone had one working
[19:11:16] <Jymmmm> mrsun: http://www.goodyearep.com/ProductsDetail.aspx?id=3400
[19:13:31] <Jymmmm> Synchronous Belts
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[19:42:54] <jthornton> how do I test the speed between computers on my LAN?
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[19:44:15] <L84Supper> jthornton, transfer a large file
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[19:47:31] <L84Supper> jthornton, do you have a sever installed on either computer? FTP is easy to install configure and test
[19:48:04] <r00t4rd3d> jthornton, ping
[19:48:24] <r00t4rd3d> ping 1.1.1.1 etc
[19:48:41] <jthornton> no, these two down here are just plugged into a router and it is plugged into another router in the shop where the rest of the computers and the internet is connecetd
[19:48:42] <L84Supper> jthornton, or even simple shared folders in ubuntu
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[19:49:26] <L84Supper> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/05/19/how-to-share-files-and-folders-in-ubuntu/
[19:49:39] <jthornton> this computer says IP Address: 192.168.0.107
[19:49:52] <jthornton> I share files on all the computers
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[19:50:09] <r00t4rd3d> so go on another computer in the network , ping 192.168.0.107
[19:50:21] <r00t4rd3d> in a terminal or cmd
[19:50:55] <jthornton> time <1ms TTL=64
[19:51:10] <archivist> L84Supper, not seen a belt driven clock
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[19:51:34] <jthornton> sometimes when I click on network it takes a while to connect to another computer
[19:51:47] <pcw_home> Those NRG belts look nice and up to 2.4M long, but rather expensive
[19:52:28] <r00t4rd3d> jthornton, typical
[19:52:35] <archivist> L84Supper, but of course some idiot...http://www.behance.net/gallery/Timing-Belt-Clock/2150797
[19:52:43] <r00t4rd3d> with Windows atleast
[19:53:36] <jthornton> yea, two of the computers are windblows the rest are Ubuntu
[19:58:35] <archivist> wow sound travels, fireworks festival 5 miles away is noisy here
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[22:07:21] <WillenCMD> there is this strange substance falling from the sky, i have heard about it but i forgot what its called
[22:07:47] <WillenCMD> seems to make everything shiney
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[22:09:37] <jthornton> wow the internet is back
[22:14:28] <Vq> Great, I was afraid we all had to fall back to X.25
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[22:27:37] <Jymmmm> Slab o' dead flesh indiect heat on grill... CHECK!
[22:29:23] <jthornton> whatchacookingjymmmm
[22:31:10] <Jymmmm> jthornton: marinated round top roast
[22:32:13] <Jymmmm> jthornton: about 3" thick
[22:34:47] <Jymmmm> jthornton: Used to do slabs of cowboy (flap) meat, but can't find it anymore. indirect and about 70m on a grill breaks up they chewyness and makes it fork tender.
[22:35:24] <jthornton> nice
[22:35:31] <Jymmmm> super flavorful... just marinated it lime juice, garlic, worchestire and olive oil
[22:36:19] <Jymmmm> the cowboy meat shrinks like crazy, but damn tasty!
[22:36:45] <Jymmmm> need to find at least 3/4" thick to be worthwhile
[22:37:23] <jthornton> I've not heard the term cowboy meat what cut is that?
[22:41:13] <r00t4rd3d> scraps
[22:45:19] <Jymmmm> jthornton: it used to be the cheapest tough stringy meat, but ppl caught on to it's flavor if slow cooked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flap_steak
[22:47:03] <Jymmmm> jthornton: pretty bunch like nobody used to eat brisket becasue it was tough.
[22:47:09] <Jymmmm> much
[22:47:12] <ReadError> backlash, its different under a spindle load correct?
[22:47:32] <Jymmmm> ReadError: can be, yes.
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[22:51:10] <Jymmmm> jthornton: here are photos of it http://www.seriouseats.com/2012/05/the-best-inexpensive-steak-for-the-grill-part-4-flap-meat-sirloin-tip.html
[22:51:30] <Jymmmm> http://www.seriouseats.com/images/2012/05/20120513-inexpensive-steak-for-the-grill-26-fixed.jpg
[22:52:30] <ReadError> its international BACON DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:52:58] <Jymmmm> ReadError: Heh, we cook bacon 3lbs at a time =)
[22:53:11] * Jymmmm hugs his freezer =)
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[22:58:08] <Aero-Tec> hello
[22:58:23] <Aero-Tec> new to linux cnc
[22:58:52] <Aero-Tec> is there a lathe mode and a mill mode like mach uses?
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[22:59:42] <jthornton> no, there is a lathe mode and a mill mode like LinuxCNC uses
[22:59:44] <Aero-Tec> looks like the gcode for lathe and mill are the same and the mode is the same as well
[23:00:13] <jthornton> well you usually use a different plane for a lathe the XZ plane
[23:00:27] <Aero-Tec> ok, so how do I set mill mode or lathe mode?
[23:00:49] <jthornton> in the Axis GUI?
[23:01:11] <Aero-Tec> yes, if mem serves me
[23:01:28] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_config.html#_display_section_a_id_sub_display_section_a
[23:01:31] <Aero-Tec> will have to double check to make sure
[23:01:49] <jthornton> it is a setting in the ini file
[23:01:58] <jthornton> mill mode is default
[23:02:47] <Aero-Tec> cool
[23:03:01] <jthornton> LinuxCNC is very cool!
[23:03:02] <Aero-Tec> will have to check in on that
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[23:03:22] <ReadError> ;o
[23:03:33] <jthornton> have you seen any of the LinuxCNC tutorials?
[23:03:36] <ReadError> i didnt think that would actually work hehe
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[23:03:46] <ReadError> im sorry, forgive me sirs.
[23:03:52] <ReadError> Aero-Tec, i had to try it ;/
[23:04:13] <Aero-Tec> I would like to add active tooling and a mill function to my lathe
[23:04:19] <ReadError> forgive me father, for i have sinned.
[23:04:20] <Aero-Tec> try what?
[23:04:26] <ReadError> ./msg nickserv ghost Aero-Tec test
[23:04:31] <Aero-Tec> lol
[23:05:00] <Aero-Tec> what does that do?
[23:05:01] <WillenCMD> anyone know the python subprocess module very well?
[23:05:12] <ReadError> Aero-Tec, it disconnects you
[23:05:12] <jthornton> you can create a mill configuration and a lathe configuration and run either
[23:05:21] <jthornton> I know it a little
[23:05:30] <WillenCMD> its a tricky beast
[23:05:36] <jthornton> what are you trying to do WillenCMD
[23:05:52] <WillenCMD> i am working on a better step config
[23:06:09] <WillenCMD> one with live tuning, and hal netting
[23:06:58] <Jymmmm> Aero-Tec: In other words, you posted your password in the channel and ReadError used it against you, You need to change your password.
[23:07:28] <Aero-Tec> so would it be hard to set up a lathe with active tooling and a mill option for milling flats and doing drilling?
[23:07:30] <Aero-Tec> ok
[23:07:32] <Aero-Tec> how
[23:07:33] <Aero-Tec> ?
[23:07:45] <ReadError> msg nickserv setpass
[23:10:19] <WillenCMD> Aero-Tec you can do anything with linuxcnc and its variations, and "hard" is relative to what you consider easy.
[23:10:39] * jthornton hums the final jepordy song while he waits for the question...
[23:10:50] <WillenCMD> from me?
[23:10:54] <jthornton> yep
[23:10:56] <WillenCMD> lol
[23:11:23] <WillenCMD> i want to re-direct halcmd stdout to a string for interpeting in python
[23:12:08] <jthornton> with subprocess?
[23:12:14] <WillenCMD> ye
[23:12:17] <WillenCMD> yes
[23:12:33] <WillenCMD> output = subprocess.Popen(....)
[23:12:46] <WillenCMD> i know i can use Popen.communicate()
[23:13:06] <jthornton> I don't think you can do output = subprocess.Popen(....)
[23:13:32] <Aero-Tec> I am trying to change pass word
[23:13:42] <Aero-Tec> it askes for a key
[23:13:57] <Aero-Tec> I would assume it is my old password
[23:14:09] <jthornton> but I might be full of crap and not know it...
[23:14:17] <Aero-Tec> but looks like someone changes it on me already
[23:14:25] <WillenCMD> hal = subprcess.Popen([""],shell=True,stdout=subprocess.Pipe,stdin=subprocess.PIPE,universal_new_lines=True)
[23:14:56] <jthornton> your deeper into subprocess than me then...
[23:15:05] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/gui/gui06d.html
[23:15:05] <Aero-Tec> what does invalid key mean?
[23:15:14] <jthornton> about all I know is the above
[23:15:25] <Jymmmm> Aero-Tec: https://gist.github.com/9e80a17f11ed55f10c8a
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[23:16:15] <WillenCMD> i think i'll do it differently
[23:17:17] <WillenCMD> This will make setting up linuxCNC very simple
[23:17:33] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec:
[23:17:34] <WillenCMD> in any configuration your heart desires
[23:17:40] <Jymmm> 012-09-01 16:17:06 NickServ: Syntax: SET PASSWORD <new password>
[23:17:40] <Jymmm> 2012-09-01 16:17:06 NickServ:
[23:17:40] <Jymmm> 2012-09-01 16:17:06 NickServ: Example:
[23:17:42] <Jymmm> 2012-09-01 16:17:06 NickServ: /msg NickServ SET PASSWORD swordfish
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[23:18:45] <WillenCMD> im a bit confused why linuxcnc even needs the ini file? why didn't or can't everything be in the .hal file
[23:18:56] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: /msg NickServ SET PASSWORD your_new_password_goes_here
[23:19:11] <Aero-Tec> yes, got it, thanks a mill
[23:20:23] <WillenCMD> hey the suns out, i guess i won't need the john boat to go the store after all
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[23:21:24] <WillenCMD> john what are you working on?
[23:21:29] <Aero-Tec> so when threading a taper, does the distance per rev need adjusting at all, if so how?
[23:22:25] <WillenCMD> It its calculated
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[23:22:47] <Aero-Tec> I had heard something about threading a tapper was a pain in EMC
[23:23:06] <Aero-Tec> calculated how?
[23:23:37] <Aero-Tec> also someone did a wicked thread for some toy
[23:24:16] <WillenCMD> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/gcode_main.html#fig:G76-Threading
[23:24:25] <Aero-Tec> it had a wild profile
[23:24:43] <WillenCMD> look at E and L for the g76
[23:26:39] <Aero-Tec> so you use E to thread a taper?
[23:27:08] <Aero-Tec> what about P?
[23:27:59] <Aero-Tec> is that along the tapper surface or the drive line?
[23:28:56] <Aero-Tec> I thought E was to put a leading in or leading out taper on the thread
[23:29:04] <WillenCMD> actually after further reading that is the entry/exit taper
[23:29:15] <Aero-Tec> ok
[23:29:20] <WillenCMD> wow this threading gcode needs to be re-worked
[23:29:28] <Aero-Tec> thought so
[23:30:29] <WillenCMD> with fanuc its very simple, just an R
[23:32:18] <WillenCMD> i'll add that to the list
[23:33:46] <Aero-Tec> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACvRilmIKDQ&feature=related
[23:33:54] <Aero-Tec> cool threading vid
[23:34:31] <Aero-Tec> I was blown away when I first saw this
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[23:35:05] <Aero-Tec> so how does one do a tapper thread in EMC?
[23:35:12] <WillenCMD> thats nothing
[23:35:22] <WillenCMD> should see what we do in our swiss machines
[23:35:39] <Aero-Tec> you have cool threading vid?
[23:35:58] <WillenCMD> no i can't stand around and record video at work, bosses may not like that
[23:36:30] <Aero-Tec> helmet cam, LOL
[23:37:04] <Aero-Tec> so how does one do a tapper thread in EMC?
[23:37:11] <jthornton> WillenCMD, you can do simple things with just hal and gladevcp
[23:37:34] <WillenCMD> believe me, i know i have pushed those two the limit
[23:37:40] <WillenCMD> too*
[23:38:04] <WillenCMD> the last three machines i made only run with hal and gladevcp
[23:38:28] <WillenCMD> its limitless
[23:39:02] <WillenCMD> but i get tired of setting up hal files using halrun
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[23:39:21] <WillenCMD> so i thought a visual gui with puzzle style netting would be nice
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[23:40:02] <jthornton> what do you mean setting up hal files using halrun?
[23:40:38] <WillenCMD> linking pins and setting up paramenter's
[23:40:53] <WillenCMD> its the fastest way to do it
[23:41:22] <jthornton> you just have to do it once right?
[23:42:26] <WillenCMD> sure if everything works perfectly, but im never happy with anything
[23:42:34] <WillenCMD> always trying to improve what i do
[23:42:49] <WillenCMD> we are talking in two windows lol
[23:43:23] <jthornton> lol
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[23:50:31] <Aero-Tec> still looking for the answer of how does one do tapper treading in EMC?
[23:51:05] <Aero-Tec> or linuxcnc if that is the hold up
[23:51:06] <Aero-Tec> lol
[23:51:19] <jdh> taper ? like an NPT thread?
[23:51:24] <Aero-Tec> yes
[23:51:27] <Aero-Tec> and others
[23:51:54] <jdh> I thought our resident lathe threading expert wrote some stuff to do NPT, but he isn't mentioning it, so maybe I'm wrong.
[23:52:06] <jthornton> Aero-Tec, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#_g33_spindle_synchronized_motion_a_id_sec_g33_spindle_sync_a
[23:53:16] <jdh> <nevermind>
[23:54:46] <jthornton> Aero-Tec, you can set up ngcgui subroutines to do just about anything including taper threads
[23:55:25] <Aero-Tec> what is ngcgui?
[23:55:36] <Aero-Tec> I am very new to all this
[23:56:02] <Aero-Tec> was doing some mach and linux mix, did not want to rewrite all the code
[23:56:20] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/ngcgui.html
[23:56:26] <Aero-Tec> but now have decided to move 100% to linux