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[00:00:59] <r00t4rd3d> ive since put my controller power supply in the case
[00:01:13] <r00t4rd3d> soon its all going on a rolling cart
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[00:14:29] <joe9> taiden: what about removing the hard disk and just running off of livecd?
[00:16:06] <Tom_itx> i'm watching the system monitor on my atom and one cpu was at 100% then i looked back again and it was down to like 12% and the next one was at 100%
[00:16:18] <Tom_itx> does it load balance based on heat or something?
[00:16:36] <Tom_itx> it keeps swapping cpu cores
[00:23:37] <tjb1> Im on budget for my plasma build :)
[00:24:32] <taiden> sorry was afk in the shop
[00:25:14] <taiden> joe9: I dont think it's the HDD but I'm going to do some tests tonight
[00:25:27] <taiden> i'm going to build and order a d525 box tonight
[00:25:33] <taiden> i can't afford to go through this bs again
[00:27:13] <tjb1> I think its about time to design router mounts to cut on the wire edm ;)
[00:29:09] <tjb1> Should the acme screw be contained with the thrust washers are the stepper end or furthest end?
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[00:45:05] <_unreal_> hello...
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[00:48:34] <_unreal_> any one live?
[00:49:55] <_unreal_> well in any case here is my problem. I just setup EMC2 and all I want is to do direct phase control. I have a simple transistor based stepper motor driver setup. and I cant find any information on how to setup phase control.
[00:50:53] <_unreal_> if I cant get EMC setup them I just have to go with turbocnc. I know it will do every thing I need right out of the box but then I cant use my touch screen monitor. I cant use my trackball mouse and I have to switch to a very low end computer that supports dos
[00:52:25] <_unreal_> hello
[00:55:29] <skorket> I'm having some trouble with my CNC...I'm running grbl on an arduino. Do you guys mind if I ask my question here?
[00:56:34] <r00t4rd3d> ask away
[00:57:16] <r00t4rd3d> skorket, where in upstate are you?
[00:57:22] <_unreal_> r00t4rd3d, any thoughts on my question?
[00:58:07] <r00t4rd3d> i have no clue on phase control
[00:58:29] <skorket> Ithaca, NY. When I turn the dremel on, after about 30 seconds or so I get an error message "port 2 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling..." whereby the arduino running grbl resets. Turning off the dremel fixes the issue. I assume it's noise being introduced by the dremel on the USB line, but I don't know how to fix it
[00:58:31] <r00t4rd3d> others here i am sure do though
[00:58:33] <skorket> any suggestions?
[01:00:49] <r00t4rd3d> bad shielded usb device
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[01:01:06] <taiden2> ello gents
[01:01:21] <skorket> well, the arduino is just an open circuit board, basically...would putting it into some sort of housing help?
[01:01:33] <r00t4rd3d> its probably the wires
[01:01:44] <r00t4rd3d> im guessing
[01:01:55] <skorket> the USB wire?
[01:01:59] <r00t4rd3d> are you using shielded motor wires?
[01:02:30] <skorket> no?
[01:02:40] <skorket> for the stepper? No, they're unshielded
[01:02:50] <skorket> *steppers
[01:03:37] <skorket> I did notice the problem gets much worse if the dremel power line is right next to the USB line
[01:03:43] <r00t4rd3d> try powering the arduino with a battery
[01:04:02] <r00t4rd3d> check your grounds are good
[01:04:34] <r00t4rd3d> yeah the usb is getting noise from something
[01:04:35] <skorket> How do I check for good grounds?
[01:05:08] <_unreal_> how are you switching your motor ON/OFF?
[01:05:13] <r00t4rd3d> is there a seperate power/ground for the grbl shield?
[01:05:27] <skorket> _unreal_, by hand...there's a power switch on the dremel
[01:05:30] <_unreal_> what kind of a control circuit, is it to a machanical relay? solid state relay. transistor
[01:06:03] <taiden2> r00t4rd3d: what was the name of the d525 seller on ebay?
[01:06:27] <skorket> The arduino is being powered from over USB, the steppers have a separate power source, the dremel also has a separate power source
[01:06:40] <taiden2> number1kid or something like that
[01:06:50] <skorket> sorry guys, I have to run, I'll be on later. Thanks for the help
[01:06:50] <r00t4rd3d> taiden,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-D525MW-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-w-Atom-525-CPU-/200542103383?pt=Motherboards&hash=item2eb13da757
[01:07:10] <r00t4rd3d> theonlykid1
[01:08:48] <taiden2> thanks r00t4rd3d
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[01:13:27] <r00t4rd3d> dont forget that board still needs memory to turn on, but thats it
[01:13:30] <r00t4rd3d> power
[01:14:11] <r00t4rd3d> it takes laptop memory
[01:14:28] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RAMAXEL-4GB-DDR3-2x2GB-PC3-10600S-1333MHz-Laptop-Memory-Mac-Thinkpad-HP-Dell-RAM-/390449877210?pt=US_Memory_RAM_&hash=item5ae8a050da
[01:15:38] <r00t4rd3d> my d525 with 4gb memory runs windows 7 pretty good
[01:16:13] <r00t4rd3d> i was surprised
[01:17:23] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: any updates on your router?
[01:17:31] <r00t4rd3d> nope
[01:17:37] <r00t4rd3d> i made a dust shoe
[01:17:48] <r00t4rd3d> and am working on a touch off plate
[01:18:06] <r00t4rd3d> but thats about it
[01:18:14] <tjb1> I ordered everything but the steel for mine
[01:18:32] <r00t4rd3d> what controller?
[01:18:37] <tjb1> g540
[01:18:43] <r00t4rd3d> buy me one
[01:18:56] <tjb1> I bought the 4 axis kit off cncrouterparts
[01:18:58] <tjb1> nema 23
[01:19:02] <r00t4rd3d> wow
[01:19:13] <tjb1> What?
[01:19:20] <r00t4rd3d> high prices
[01:19:28] <r00t4rd3d> but their kits are nice
[01:19:37] <tjb1> Gotta spend money to make money
[01:19:44] <tjb1> Some of his stuff is cheaper to buy than to make
[01:19:48] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[01:19:55] <r00t4rd3d> i like their motor wires
[01:20:12] <tjb1> Like the drill jig, the drill bushings are like 14-15 each at MSC and his jig is $28 and includes a drill bit
[01:20:53] <r00t4rd3d> they sent me some free stuff
[01:21:07] <r00t4rd3d> when i ordered i asked for some sample products
[01:21:13] <tjb1> Im getting some free stuff as a student discount
[01:21:29] <r00t4rd3d> they sent me some gears that i ended up using
[01:21:43] <tjb1> Probably the gears I need for the r&p drives that are backordered haha
[01:21:54] <taiden2> http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-DDR3-Laptop-Memory-CMSO4GX3M1A1333C9/dp/B002YU83YO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345684893&sr=8-1&keywords=4gb+ddr3+laptop
[01:21:55] <taiden2> ?
[01:21:56] <r00t4rd3d> 3/8 bore
[01:22:17] <tjb1> I got 110 - M8x23mm t studs with flange nuts and 15 - 5/16 t-nuts as my discount
[01:22:33] <r00t4rd3d> taiden, you see the memory link i posted?
[01:23:00] <r00t4rd3d> that amazon stuff appears to be the right stuff though
[01:23:22] <tjb1> Is it a rack gear?
[01:23:30] <r00t4rd3d> nah
[01:23:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/nema-23-rp-motor-pulley-p-71.html
[01:24:14] <r00t4rd3d> i have it on 3/8 threaded rod
[01:25:10] <tjb1> Oh the one for the belt drive
[01:25:51] <r00t4rd3d> yeah i use it on my z axis
[01:26:57] <r00t4rd3d> are you using their extended carriages and gantry supports?
[01:27:47] <r00t4rd3d> i want to make mine bigger with 4 extended carriages and their supports
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[01:30:49] <taiden2> only reason for amazon is i have prime
[01:30:57] <taiden2> and i want to get everything in ASAP
[01:31:13] <taiden2> sadly the D525 seller on amazon stopped offering Prime, so ebay it is on that
[01:31:31] <taiden2> that was why i asked if there were other boards known to be just as good
[01:31:40] <taiden2> hoping to get it in before the weekend
[01:31:51] <taiden2> so im up and ready to go come monday
[01:35:20] <taiden2> okay so
[01:35:37] <taiden2> my atx power supply will work with this sucka?
[01:35:42] <taiden2> i cant see why it wouldn't
[01:40:54] <r00t4rd3d> yeah, just overkill
[01:41:55] <r00t4rd3d> unless you hook up like 5 hard drives and a big pci video card
[01:42:57] <tjb1> Sorry r00t4rd3d had a phone call
[01:43:06] <r00t4rd3d> also there is no ide ports on the d525
[01:43:07] <tjb1> Just the carriages
[01:43:17] <Valen> are you using the atx supply for motor power?
[01:43:22] <tjb1> I bought the smaller carriages and I am going to copy the dimensions to make the longer ones
[01:43:26] <tjb1> $33 is a bit much
[01:43:49] <r00t4rd3d> Valen, his computer
[01:44:11] <Valen> ahh, pfft you could probably run an atom off a handfull of lemons and some coins
[01:44:58] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: are the carriages 1x4"?
[01:45:10] <Valen> what rails are in use?
[01:45:12] <r00t4rd3d> something like that
[01:45:35] <r00t4rd3d> never measured them
[01:45:47] <tjb1> 7/8x2
[01:45:52] <tjb1> According to his pdf drawing
[01:47:07] <r00t4rd3d> they would be easy to make in hardwood or something
[01:47:15] <tjb1> Any idea what I can expect to pay for 7/8x2 x 5'?
[01:47:30] <tjb1> mcmaster only has that with material certification...
[01:47:42] <r00t4rd3d> i could get that from my local guy cheap
[01:47:47] <r00t4rd3d> less then 100
[01:48:03] <r00t4rd3d> dirt included
[01:48:50] <tjb1> It was $84 for the 6' piece with mat cert
[01:50:07] <r00t4rd3d> i used aluminum for my rails
[01:51:47] <tjb1> only $52 for a 6' of 1x2 at onlinemetals
[01:51:57] <tjb1> so hopefully I can get 7/8x2 locally or see if the school has it
[01:52:14] <r00t4rd3d> go steal a stop sign and cut it up
[01:52:48] <Valen> question for the hivemind, I'm sprucing up my missus motorbike, however around the ignition barrel and such theres a number of little plastic parts that look like the paint is screwed on them
[01:52:58] <tjb1> Cut it up and melt it?
[01:52:59] <tjb1> lol
[01:53:01] <Valen> any suggestions for the best way to repaint it?
[01:53:21] <Valen> its all mystery plastic unfortunatly
[01:53:35] <r00t4rd3d> plastic coat spray paint
[01:53:45] <tjb1> krylon plastic paint
[01:54:14] <r00t4rd3d> "plastikote" is the proper name i guess
[01:54:15] <tjb1> r00t, what am I going to do with a stop sign?
[01:54:23] <r00t4rd3d> get arrested
[01:54:35] <r00t4rd3d> or make some rails
[01:54:36] <tjb1> I have a road sign
[01:54:41] <tjb1> ;)
[01:54:46] <Valen> comes in rattlecan format too
[01:54:57] <Valen> I was debating if i should use rattlecan car paint
[01:55:10] <tjb1> There is a person on this forum I go to, painted there hood with plastikote
[01:56:00] <r00t4rd3d> some self etching primer wouldnt hurt either
[01:56:07] <Valen> looks like regular paint that plastikote?
[01:56:15] <Valen> i was thinking of an etch primer
[01:56:31] <r00t4rd3d> i like the dupont stuff but its expensive, more then the paint
[01:56:47] <Valen> the other criteria is rattle can lol
[01:56:56] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.johnsonautobodysupply.com/media/products/DUP-A-4115S-Self-Etching-Primer-LG.jpg
[01:57:07] <r00t4rd3d> that stuff is awesome primer for metal/plastic
[01:57:11] <Valen> i have to cover an area about the size of my face lol
[01:58:04] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.johnsonautobodysupply.com/Plastics-Adhesion-Promoter.html
[01:58:29] <r00t4rd3d> hmm never seen that stuff before
[01:59:34] <taiden2> now the 450 watt powersuply will only draw that much power if the computer requires it, correct?
[01:59:44] <taiden2> it's not just going to be burning through 450 watts of power 24/7
[01:59:45] <Valen> sorta kinda
[01:59:47] <Valen> no
[01:59:58] <Valen> the atom will probably pull ~15W
[02:00:04] <taiden2> Lol
[02:00:09] <taiden2> i'm going atom + ssd
[02:00:10] <Valen> the psu at the wall probably ~80
[02:00:20] <Valen> dont get an ssd for reliability
[02:00:26] <Valen> unless its being bashed around
[02:00:28] <taiden2> seriously?
[02:00:32] <taiden2> i thought they were way more reliable?
[02:00:37] <Tom_itx> seriously
[02:00:46] <taiden2> learn something new every day
[02:00:52] <Valen> first actual results are they are about on par with spinning media
[02:01:09] <taiden2> for total failure or
[02:01:16] <taiden2> for longevity of blocks
[02:01:21] <r00t4rd3d> you can get giant sata drives cheap too nowadays compared to small ass ssd drive
[02:01:30] <tjb1> taiden2, what size ssd
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[02:01:33] <taiden2> 30gb
[02:01:38] <taiden2> vs 160gb hdd
[02:01:40] <Valen> total failure
[02:01:41] <taiden2> same price
[02:01:44] <tjb1> Too bad you didn't tell me earlier
[02:01:52] <tjb1> There was a 60gb ssd for $48 earlier
[02:02:00] <taiden2> i just dont need anything bigger
[02:02:09] <Valen> theres plenty of other reasons to get an SSD vs a hdd
[02:02:11] <taiden2> it is for cnc use alone
[02:02:18] <Valen> just reliability isn't one of them ;->
[02:02:31] <taiden2> the zippy nature of it was attractive
[02:02:32] <tjb1> I have had a 120gb in my computer for over a year now no problems
[02:02:33] <Valen> if you can get it for the same price for a CnC then by all means
[02:02:43] <taiden2> and also the whole no moving part vs dust thing
[02:02:46] <tjb1> I am pissed that it cost me $240 though
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[02:03:02] <Valen> dont let dust into your computer enclosure
[02:03:10] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[02:03:11] <taiden2> easier said than done :)
[02:03:14] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[02:03:20] <Valen> do it anyway
[02:03:20] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1TB-1000GB-16MB-Cache-7200RPM-SATA2-3-5-Desktop-Hard-Drive-FREE-SHIPPING-/120848988382?pt=US_Internal_Hard_Disk_Drives&hash=item1c232938de
[02:03:23] <tjb1> taiden2: keep an eye out here -
http://www.woot.com/
[02:03:24] <Valen> its not that hard anyway
[02:03:32] <Valen> just put it all in a sealed box
[02:03:34] <taiden2> tjb1 it's time sensitive sadly
[02:03:41] <tjb1> They are having a woot off today
[02:03:47] <tjb1> Thats where the 60gb was for $48
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[02:05:26] <tjb1> It was actually 45.99
[02:05:29] <tjb1> corsair 60gb
[02:06:42] <tjb1> taiden2:
http://www.corsair.com/us/outlet-store/refurbished-ssds/force-series-f60b-solid-state-hard-drive-factory-reconditioned.html
[02:06:45] <tjb1> There ya go.
[02:06:53] <r00t4rd3d> you should get a big usb hub and add lots of toys
[02:07:04] <r00t4rd3d> fans, lights etc
[02:07:34] <r00t4rd3d> burn that 450w
[02:07:43] <Jymmm> 30 day warranty
[02:07:47] <taiden2> well
[02:08:00] <Jymmm> not even 90 day, eeeesh
[02:08:04] <taiden2> i figure i can make a little break out for 12v etc using the power supply
[02:08:10] <taiden2> for things like relay triggers etc
[02:08:13] <taiden2> so it might not be the worst idea
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[02:08:36] <tjb1> Jymmm: Just gotta pound it hard in the first 30
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[02:08:57] <taiden2> plus using it would save me $50
[02:09:02] <taiden2> which is always nice haha
[02:10:37] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Retro-Clear-Game-Controller-red-LED-USB-Atari-Joystick-Mac-PC-/280901728803?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item41670c3a23
[02:11:04] <r00t4rd3d> that is cool, i like how you can remove the board and use it in a mame cabinet
[02:11:25] <taiden2> that is sweet
[02:11:32] <taiden2> i was going to make a mame cabinet
[02:11:35] <taiden2> never got around to it
[02:12:23] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna make a mini one sometime
[02:12:42] <Jymmm> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441
[02:13:50] <jdh> anyone returned anything to newegg.
[02:14:01] <r00t4rd3d> i dont think you would benefit much from the speed a ssd offers
[02:14:19] <r00t4rd3d> not with a mini itx board
[02:14:55] <_unreal_> damn!! ok finally got some motion out of my cnc machine using turbo
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[02:15:26] <_unreal_> first time an AXIS has worked on my cnc machine and wow is it powerful
[02:15:32] <r00t4rd3d> unreal you should ask your question again now that more people are active
[02:15:48] <jdh> I misordered somethingg from newegg ($75 item ) had to pay $9.50 shipping and $12 restockifee
[02:15:55] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[02:16:13] <r00t4rd3d> bitch and complain
[02:16:24] <_unreal_> I'd like to get EMC2 working with direction phase control instead of step/dir..... there seems to be no info on the internet. currently the only way I can even make the machine move is using turbocnc... mainely because I have only built a simple transistor motor driver
[02:16:34] <jdh> I did. They offered me a gift card for thhe restock fee
[02:17:09] <_unreal_> I also have to modify some wires it seems I have muxed some up.... sigh
[02:17:23] <jdh> what is direction phase control?
[02:17:31] <jdh> cw/ccw?
[02:19:16] <tjb1> This is descriptive…
http://wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/processInputRequest?sort_by=status&tracknums_displayed=1&TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&loc=en_us&InquiryNumber1=1Z0835200339470120&track.x=0&track.y=0
[02:19:38] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna call now and reroute that tracking number to my house
[02:19:44] <r00t4rd3d> :D
[02:19:48] <tjb1> Good luck
[02:19:50] <tjb1> :)
[02:20:02] <tjb1> Thats the least information I have ever gotten from a UPS tracking number
[02:20:09] <r00t4rd3d> it updates
[02:20:18] <tjb1> I had to call mcmaster to get it...
[02:20:42] <jdh> it hasn't gone anywhere yet
[02:20:42] <tjb1> Still dunno how much I paid to ship it
[02:20:58] <jdh> invoice should be available.
[02:21:06] <tjb1> jdh: It "says" it hasn't gone anywhere yet
[02:21:12] <tjb1> Nope, nothing on the site
[02:21:39] <jdh> you ordered this afternoon?
[02:22:03] <tjb1> yesterday afternoon
[02:22:14] <jdh> that's pretty bad for mcmaster
[02:22:46] <taiden2> i want to grab a heatsink for my gecko while im on amazon
[02:23:06] <taiden2> is there a name for large chunks of heatsink material?
[02:23:08] <tjb1> Yeah, it told me it had shipped this morning and I called at 7pm to get the tracking info
[02:23:27] <tjb1> I hate looking for stuff like that on amazon, you'll have better luck on ebay :)
[02:23:51] <Valen> mcmaster wont ship to me anymore because i'm an evil forrign terrorist
[02:24:12] <jdh> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=83347&d=1245765187
[02:24:20] <taiden2> i explative love mcmaster
[02:24:32] <Valen> I've never understood the whole american thing of not shipping internationally
[02:24:34] <tjb1> Anyone ever wrangle a catalog from them?
[02:24:42] <Valen> is writing another line on the address really that hard?
[02:24:47] <jdh> I've gotten print and cd versions
[02:24:48] <tjb1> Where can I buy that jdh
[02:24:51] <Tom_itx> i used to have one
[02:24:54] <Tom_itx> err have an old one
[02:24:55] <jdh> Valen: it's not just a line, it's a pain in the ass.
[02:25:14] <tjb1> Yes, I agree…just shipping to canada was a pain in the ass
[02:25:24] <jdh> tjb1: homanndesign (.au I think) I assuem others sell them also.
[02:25:29] <Valen> how is it any harder?
[02:25:35] <tjb1> Bunch of customs bs
[02:25:36] <Jymmm> Valen: CN22
[02:25:52] <jdh> customs forms, dealing with the desk clerk
[02:26:00] <Jymmm> Valen: customs declaation form, wiating in line at the PO
[02:26:20] <tjb1> jdh:
http://www.homanndesigns.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=24&products_id=75
[02:26:39] <tjb1> Forms for origin of product of materials and other crap
[02:26:44] <taiden2> shipping international is a HUGE pain in the ass
[02:26:55] <taiden2> if paypal didn't handle customs forms for me I wouldn't ship international
[02:27:03] <tjb1> Only $32, wonder how bad shipping is…is the G540 really that prone to getting hot?
[02:27:06] <taiden2> but im the rare exception to USA shipping methods
[02:27:10] <Valen> wow it must suck to be you guys
[02:27:10] <taiden2> i ship international for free
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[02:27:27] <jdh> tjb:
http://www.soigeneris.com/G540_Heak_Sink_Kit-details.aspx
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[02:27:30] <Valen> if i want to post something internationally i basically write another line on the address
[02:27:37] <jdh> did you read the gecko heat sink article?
[02:27:38] <taiden2> i just know that 40% of my customers are international
[02:27:43] <Jymmm> Valen: a package or a letter?
[02:27:47] <Valen> parcel
[02:27:47] <taiden2> and calculate average shipping
[02:27:49] <tjb1> Valen: This is why people in the US don't ship out
[02:27:51] <taiden2> and tack that onto the price
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[02:28:10] <taiden2> comes out in the wash
[02:28:12] <Valen> we always fill out dangerous goods stuff when shipping anything faster than snailmail
[02:28:16] <tjb1> But funny, I have ordered stuff from china that they paid more to ship it than the item cost
[02:28:26] <Valen> also we generally don't use courier services
[02:28:28] <Valen> they suck
[02:28:36] <Valen> and charge you assloads for stuff like customs
[02:28:56] <taiden2> Valen, what do couriers cost?
[02:29:10] <Valen> fedex is ~3-4x the price of australia post
[02:29:22] <Valen> speed is 3-5 days vs 5-10
[02:29:23] <tjb1> Whoa…no thanks jdh, $27 shipping for that fan kit
[02:29:38] <Jymmm> WHAT?
[02:30:16] <jdh> tjb1: read the gecko heat sink article first
[02:30:54] <taiden2> tjb1: i am almost sure that i burned out my z axis because i didn't properly cool my g540
[02:30:55] <tjb1> Got a link that works?
[02:31:06] <Jymmm> tjb1: $27.80 here
[02:31:21] <tjb1> Jymmm: your in the US also?
[02:31:24] <Jymmm> 67.43 express
[02:31:31] <Jymmm> tjb1: SFO
[02:31:32] <taiden2> tjb1: i was pretty pissed because they don't explicitly state in the user manual to use a heatsink, they basically say "you might need a heatsink, read this article that there is no link to to find out how important it is"
[02:31:48] <taiden2> tjb1: i stopped reading at "you might"
[02:31:48] <Jymmm> taiden2: they actually do
[02:31:50] <jdh> the article says a heatsink isn't needed, just a fan is fine.
[02:32:06] <tjb1> San Fran?
[02:32:13] <Jymmm> tjb1: jes
[02:32:24] <taiden2> it is my personal opinion that the heatsink section of the g540 manual is not in any way explicit
[02:32:24] <tjb1> If he can do better than $27 ill be interested
[02:32:28] <taiden2> not in the way it should be
[02:32:32] <taiden2> it should say
[02:32:34] <tjb1> Not a lot of money to protect the $290 controller
[02:32:37] <taiden2> HEY DUMBEXPETIVE
[02:32:39] <taiden2> USE A HEATSINK
[02:32:43] <jdh> $250 controller.
[02:32:50] <Jymmm> tjb1: I'd rather use a nice huck of aluminum instead, will never break
[02:32:58] <jdh> http://www.geckodrive.com/g540-heatsinking
[02:33:03] <tjb1> jdh: only if you spend all day on ebay :P
[02:33:08] <jdh> doesn't it say 'read the heat sink article'?
[02:33:15] <taiden2> it says
[02:33:23] <taiden2> you may need a heatsink
[02:33:25] <jdh> tjb1: they are $250 at keling/automationtechnology
[02:33:34] <taiden2> there is an article online about our findings
[02:33:37] <taiden2> it doesn't say
[02:33:39] <taiden2> USE A HEATSINK
[02:33:44] <taiden2> three words would have been nice
[02:33:58] <Tom_itx> me offeres his advice:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/heatsink_bulk.jpg
[02:34:07] <Jymmm> taiden2: I sent you scrncaps if it DOES say it.
[02:34:14] <taiden2> tom where did you find it?
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[02:34:25] <Tom_itx> scrap yard
[02:34:38] <taiden2> care to spare a 6" x 3" piece? :D
[02:34:48] <Tom_itx> where are you?
[02:34:53] <taiden2> Maine, USA
[02:34:56] <Tom_itx> maybe
[02:34:58] <tjb1> Ill try to work on him to get lower than $27
[02:35:03] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-5-W-x-3-L-Heatsink-DIY-HIFi-Amp-Power-Transistors-/370641095905?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item564bee4ce1
[02:35:08] <tjb1> Anyone in US interested in a group buy on that chiller?
[02:35:19] <jdh> tjb1: read
http://www.geckodrive.com/g540-heatsinking first
[02:35:23] <tjb1> I did
[02:35:29] <tjb1> Glanced over it
[02:35:31] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Heatsink-6-3-4-x-8-x-1-5-8-/280946323902?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4169b4b1be
[02:36:45] <Jymmm> Here's a good one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Large-Rectangle-Heatsink-/251125690205?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7841ef5d
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[02:38:08] <Jymmm> tjb1: you might like that one
[02:38:14] <tjb1> Looks nice
[02:38:20] <tjb1> Ill add that to my watch list
[02:38:49] <tjb1> Jymmm: I got all the materials on the way except the steel :)
[02:39:03] <Jymmm> steel for what?
[02:39:25] <tjb1> The table frame
[02:39:30] <Jymmm> ah
[02:40:40] <tjb1> Should be almost done by october
[02:40:55] <Jymmm> which year? <ducks>
[02:41:54] <taiden2> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0050MR8CG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=A1THAZDOWP300U
[02:42:55] <tjb1> This year
[02:43:07] <Jymmm> =)
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[02:43:13] <Jymmm> tjb1: Ok, just asking =)
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[02:44:16] <Jymmm> I installed latest desktop ubuntu to a usb stick from mac. Booted my netbook from it, not too shabby.
[02:46:28] <Jymmm> These are just awesome (have 4 of em)
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/kawau-world-s-smallest-microsd-transflash-tf-sd-sdhc-usb-2-0-card-reader-keychain-25558
[02:46:50] <Jymmm> such a low profile you cna boot from them and just leave them in place.
[02:47:21] <_unreal_> ok finished doing my re-soldering
[02:47:33] <_unreal_> GOD!! I need a chopper driver so bad
[02:48:02] <Jymmm> call your local helipad
[02:48:05] <_unreal_> I have a 30v 6a switching supply that is screaming at me
[02:48:28] <_unreal_> ! I think I'll TRY modding the INI in turbo again
[02:49:19] <jdh> what driver are you using?
[02:51:27] <_unreal_> jdh? you talking to me
[02:51:31] <jdh> yes.
[02:51:39] <_unreal_> :) heheh your going to laugh
[02:52:22] <_unreal_> alldatasheet mp4301 3X
[02:52:38] <_unreal_> with 1k resistors between PC and base pins :)
[02:53:11] <_unreal_> works DAMN good but I'm really lacking in power and my dropping resistors are EATING up watts horid :(
[02:53:40] <Tom_itx> that doesn't sound good
[02:55:00] <jdh> whatever works for you.
[02:55:01] <_unreal_> my PSU for now is a 2X switching mode PSU 30v/3.1A I have both of them tied in parallel with a massive DIODE on the +v lines so I dont get back feeding from the supplies
[02:55:12] <jdh> what voltage are you feeding the motors?
[02:56:15] <_unreal_> I have a few transformers but I dont know if they will even handle the supply need
[02:56:39] <_unreal_> my motors are all huge most of them rated for 8v 1.5A
[02:56:52] <_unreal_> unipolar
[02:57:15] <jdh> geez... get some cheap drivers.
[02:57:45] <_unreal_> I have not a penny to my name
[02:57:45] <r00t4rd3d> tb6560
[02:58:01] <_unreal_> lay off after layoff after layoff
[02:58:08] <r00t4rd3d> sell crack
[02:58:10] <_unreal_> I've been laid off 4 times in 3 years
[02:58:19] <jdh> that sucks.
[02:58:26] <Jymmm> _unreal_: invest in fishnet
[02:58:44] <_unreal_> I'm about to loose my apartment becuase i'm almost 3k in the hole with my land lord
[02:59:07] <r00t4rd3d> then what?
[02:59:09] <r00t4rd3d> welfares?
[02:59:56] <_unreal_> dont know
[03:00:05] <_unreal_> I have been told pay up or get out
[03:00:43] <_unreal_> I hate the state I live in but I cant do any thing because I have a POS X wife thats on her 4 or 5th BF that I know of. and 3rd home and we have a 3yo :(
[03:01:06] <_unreal_> divorced 1 year in sept
[03:01:18] <r00t4rd3d> you should have killed her for the insurance money when you had the chance
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[03:08:58] <_unreal_> any one ever had a KT7-RAID?
[03:09:03] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=abb_1345687803
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[04:09:57] <r00t4rd3d> cricket
[04:17:08] <Jymmm> _unreal_: is htat the amd mobo raid controller?
[04:18:54] <skorket> r00t4rd3d, The USB is connected to a computer which is powered by it's own power supply. Do you think that the motor is really sending so much noise that the computer's power supply can't handle it?
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[04:31:39] <r00t4rd3d> it might screw with the usb
[04:31:54] <r00t4rd3d> use a battery to power the arduino to see
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[04:34:38] <skorket> anyway to test?
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[06:03:27] <tjb1> Hey
[06:03:36] <tjb1> Take a look at whats highlighted in this picture -
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s480x480/311860_4214250230500_2144121222_n.jpg
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[06:06:46] <tjb1> Its going to "Somewhere, PA"
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[06:12:56] <_ink> haha
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[06:15:35] <Jymmm> Um, why?
http://goo.gl/maps/v1JZX
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[06:40:13] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[06:56:07] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:22:58] <theos> o/
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[12:07:21] <r00t4rd3d> \o
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[12:34:54] <psha[work]> .йгше
[12:34:59] <psha[work]> oops :]
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[15:29:13] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.therpf.com/f9/adam-savages-mythbusters-toolbox-78239/index3.html#post1144542
[15:29:18] <r00t4rd3d> adam savage tool box
[15:29:23] <r00t4rd3d> i think i might make one
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[15:32:19] <archivist> there is a danger the box will be heavier than the tools
[15:34:18] <r00t4rd3d> seems like it made from very thin metal
[15:34:49] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.therpf.com/attachments/f9/adam-savages-mythbusters-toolbox-toolbox-measurements4.jpg-21899d1267424206
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[15:39:19] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[15:39:30] <JT-Shop> hi
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[15:44:29] <IchGuckLive> nice and warm here in germany no rain for weks
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[15:46:40] <IchGuckLive> i can not find long full radius (Ball end cutters in the past there where alover for copy cuttings now as the mold systems have changed and HSC is in all minds noone seams to produce this cutters anymore
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[15:56:31] <r00t4rd3d> ebay man
[15:59:59] <r00t4rd3d> ball end mill long
[16:00:11] <r00t4rd3d> on ebay give me lots of result for long ball ends
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[16:22:17] <taiden> is there any way to make the estop trigger if there is an RTAPI error?
[16:22:55] <taiden> while i wait for my d525 to arrive, my machine has a hilarious tendency to not only fail on the last part, but to also take out previous parts in it's path
[16:23:26] <taiden> (unexpected realtime delay error)
[16:23:51] <r00t4rd3d> you would have to do some coding to make that happen
[16:24:04] <JT-Shop> trigger an external e-stop?
[16:24:30] <r00t4rd3d> just tail dmesg and watch for the error and hit stop manually
[16:24:42] <r00t4rd3d> tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[16:24:52] <r00t4rd3d> in a terminal and watch for the error
[16:25:25] <taiden> yep
[16:25:26] <taiden> alright
[16:25:36] <r00t4rd3d> or hit pause
[16:25:37] <t12> is there a programmatic way to shut down the job
[16:25:47] <taiden> i'm wondering if you can do it automatically
[16:25:50] <taiden> but if not i will just watch the cut
[16:26:29] <JT-Shop> I thought LinuxCNC shut down when a bad enough realtime delay occoured
[16:26:56] <r00t4rd3d> i think thats his problem
[16:27:16] <r00t4rd3d> or part of it
[16:27:33] <r00t4rd3d> using a shitty pc is the main problem :)
[16:27:37] <t12> it wasnt what you determined the other day?
[16:27:44] <t12> about inputting some wrong paramter
[16:28:00] <taiden> nope
[16:28:07] <taiden> this computer is just f**kd
[16:28:11] <taiden> imo
[16:28:15] <t12> checked the disk thing?
[16:28:26] <taiden> d525 is on the way
[16:28:26] <r00t4rd3d> did you order some memory too?
[16:28:27] <t12> it didn't do this previously you said? or has this machine always done that
[16:28:34] <taiden> it just randomly started
[16:28:48] <taiden> i ordered a d525 because i just can't afford for this to happen anymore
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[16:28:58] <taiden> but for the next few days i need to keep cutting as best as i can
[16:28:59] <r00t4rd3d> did you reinstall everything?
[16:29:13] <t12> did you check smart for the hard drive?
[16:29:31] <taiden> what is smart?
[16:29:36] <r00t4rd3d> or use nvidia drivers
[16:29:37] <t12> internal hard drive diagnostics/reporting
[16:29:42] <t12> smartctl -a /dev/sda should spit them out
[16:29:46] <t12> in your case
[16:30:15] <taiden> 'smartctrl is currently not installed
[16:30:24] <t12> install it? which distro
[16:30:25] <tjb1> I didn't realize how small the oldham coupler with a 3/8" bore was going to be
[16:30:28] <Jymmm> -r
[16:30:31] <taiden> hardly heron
[16:31:03] <taiden> there isn't a way to set up realtime delay as an estop trigger with ladder logic or w/e it's called?
[16:31:05] <t12> or is linuxcnc distributed ad its own thing
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[16:31:24] <taiden> fresh install from 8.04 linuxcnc live cd
[16:31:35] <taiden> with update to firefox and linuxcnc only
[16:31:40] <taiden> everything else is totally untouched
[16:31:51] <taiden> was using nv drivers and it worked fine, then a few days ago it started diong this
[16:31:57] <Jymmm> taiden: do you care if the pc is shut down itf it happens?
[16:32:27] <taiden> switched to vesa as a last ditch effort, dropped the latency spikes about 1/2 but still apparently high enough to make me miss 3 inches worth of steps
[16:32:31] <taiden> that's fine
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[16:35:06] <t12> if its on net, just install the smartmontools package
[16:35:11] <t12> that will incldue smartctl
[16:35:24] <t12> do disabled smartd if it tries to start it at boot
[16:35:39] <t12> i dont know if that will interfere with the rt stuff or not at runtime
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[16:36:32] <t12> and can you put the outputs of cat /proc/interrupts and lspci -v somewhere?
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[16:39:31] <Jymmm> taiden: You can use denyhosts to monitor dmesg then send a command to shutdown linuxcnc
http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/index.html
[16:40:34] <r00t4rd3d> it will probably be too late by the time that happens
[16:41:22] <r00t4rd3d> in 10 seconds lots of shit can be messed up
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[16:44:48] <joe9> what is a reasonable value for 'step down" for a pcb FR4 material?
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[16:45:04] <joe9> djdelorie: any thoughts, please?
[16:45:21] <joe9> i remember that you used to use 0.04 for some materials.
[16:45:32] <djdelorie> "step down" ?
[16:45:33] <joe9> not sure what would be good/ideal for FR4 pcb material.
[16:45:45] <joe9> i mean in the "pocket operation" for
[16:45:49] <joe9> gcode
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[16:46:22] <djdelorie> I haven't milled fr4 yet, that was for drilling
[16:46:28] <djdelorie> 40 mil sounds right though
[16:46:36] <joe9> even for FR4?
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[17:03:30] <jdh> tail -f ,grep,expect, halcmd?
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[17:09:53] <djdelorie> joe9: checked my scripts, I use G81 with F40 for drilling FR4 but I don't recall if that's the "works" case or if it's one of the "eventually breaks drills" case. I suspect F20 or F30 is safer
[17:10:31] <djdelorie> last time I did it, I was still testing and benchmarking, not doing production
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[17:14:50] <joe9> djdelorie: thanks a lot.
[17:15:15] <joe9> I use a Feed rate of 6
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[17:16:52] <jdh> I like 5)
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[17:19:44] <joe9> jdh: any particular reason?
[17:20:02] <IchGuckLive> tool efecience
[17:20:17] <IchGuckLive> less is more
[17:20:26] <joe9> jdh: oh, really?
[17:20:31] <joe9> so, 3 is better than 6?
[17:20:39] <joe9> I thought Feed rate is inches per minute
[17:20:48] <joe9> and the more it is, the faster work gets done.
[17:20:49] <IchGuckLive> no 3 is to low
[17:20:59] <jdh> I like 5. and 10
[17:21:05] <IchGuckLive> calculate on teeth and material
[17:21:20] <IchGuckLive> chip not scrap
[17:21:45] <IchGuckLive> chip thick at 0.02mm
[17:21:51] <IchGuckLive> min
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[17:24:23] <joe9> alex4nder: ReadError_ : what feed rate are you using?
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[17:27:10] <archivist> joe9, there are plenty of online calculators, depends on chip per tooth, material and spindle rpm, number of cutting edges on tool
[17:28:06] <jdh> and fondness for round numbers
[17:28:07] <archivist> and is your machine and work piece up to the limits given by those calculations
[17:29:10] <archivist> and .....does one take into account the lesser cut towards the middle of the tool :)
[17:30:31] <archivist> too much bite on a long tool and you will have bending and grabbing
[17:32:28] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[17:57:24] <taiden> what do you d525 guys use for a distro
[17:57:27] <taiden> 10 or 8?
[17:57:41] <pcw_home> 10
[17:58:26] <IchGuckLive> 10
[17:58:49] <IchGuckLive> taiden: did it work today
[17:59:02] <IchGuckLive> 17+ hr
[17:59:16] <taiden> IchGuckLive: nope
[17:59:24] <taiden> IchGuckLive: I ordered a d525
[17:59:26] <IchGuckLive> not good
[17:59:33] <taiden> IchGuckLive: I can only assume it's old PC hardware getting older
[17:59:49] <IchGuckLive> you solved the smi problem on your P4 SNI at 10.04
[17:59:49] <taiden> IchGuckLive: I just need something that works and so I decided to go with the d525
[18:00:05] <taiden> i have tried 10.04 on this computer and it was worse :(
[18:00:31] <IchGuckLive> so you are on hardy
[18:00:57] <IchGuckLive> then all is worse go d525 and start over
[18:01:09] <taiden> yep
[18:01:18] <taiden> hopefully it will all arrive before the weekend!
[18:01:23] <taiden> and then I can be ready for Monday
[18:03:43] <IchGuckLive> taiden: what modues are loaded in your "rtapi.conf "
[18:04:22] <IchGuckLive> is it a standard 3Axis router
[18:04:22] <taiden> i dont know how to check
[18:04:47] <IchGuckLive> open terminal and find the file
[18:05:13] <IchGuckLive> lsmod | grep rtai <- on the Hardy PC
[18:05:47] <taiden> it doesn't show directory
[18:06:30] <L84Supper> taiden: what exactly is not working with your d525? Just wondering since I heard that many here use them.
[18:06:35] <IchGuckLive> to find the file "sudo find / -iname 'rtapi.conf'"
[18:07:01] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: he has none yet
[18:07:16] <IchGuckLive> D525 is the board of choice
[18:07:27] <L84Supper> oh, ok, it's not working on his old hardware
[18:07:42] <IchGuckLive> no he has orderd one
[18:07:54] <IchGuckLive> did not arive yet
[18:08:05] <IchGuckLive> he is on hardy at P4
[18:08:55] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive, I haven't used anything Intel with LinuxCNC
[18:09:08] <IchGuckLive> i agree no intell
[18:10:03] <Jymmm> Has anyone made or dealt with dies/shoes for a punch press by chance?
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[18:10:36] <IchGuckLive> punch press is SPS
[18:10:43] <IchGuckLive> no linuxcnc
[18:10:44] <Jymmm> ?
[18:11:08] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: ?
[18:11:22] <IchGuckLive> punch press control on linuxcnc i am wright
[18:11:31] <IchGuckLive> why
[18:11:54] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: so what?
[18:11:56] <IchGuckLive> Neumatic and SPS control ARduino if you like
[18:12:30] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: servus
[18:12:36] <Jymmm> wth are you babbling about?
[18:13:00] <Loetmichel> and if you have no phantasy to imageine a modified punch pres to a CNC nibbler...
[18:13:02] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[18:13:05] <IchGuckLive> i think i missunderstand your question for my bad english
[18:13:30] <Jymmm> there are cnc punch presses btw
[18:13:41] <taiden> Jymmm: no I haven't, but I really need to make a 1.750 punch press
[18:13:44] <taiden> manually operated
[18:13:51] <taiden> so if you learn anything please let me know
[18:14:03] <Jymmm> 1.75 what, bannanas?
[18:14:10] <taiden> yes
[18:14:11] <taiden> smoots really
[18:14:17] <Jymmm> O_o
[18:14:17] <taiden> i punch out 1.750" holes in stainless mesh
[18:14:32] <taiden> local place wants to charge me $1.70 per punch
[18:14:33] <Loetmichel> taiden: how fine a mehs?
[18:14:33] <Jymmm> wire mesh?
[18:14:36] <taiden> yes
[18:14:40] <Jymmm> buy em
[18:14:43] <taiden> it's 0.028" 8x8 (smoots)
[18:14:50] <Loetmichel> ouch
[18:14:53] <Jymmm> wth is a smooth
[18:14:55] <Jymmm> smoot
[18:14:59] <Loetmichel> that will be not so easy
[18:15:00] <taiden> look it up, it's a hilarious story
[18:15:06] <taiden> i could only find precut ones in fine mesh for filtering
[18:15:06] <Jymmm> no thanks
[18:15:25] <taiden> you're missing out on one of the most well known engineering / units of measurement related stories
[18:15:27] <Jymmm> I found all sizes
[18:15:28] <Loetmichel> the finer the mesh the more precise the punch die must be
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[18:15:32] <taiden> shows up in a lot of physics texts
[18:16:53] <IchGuckLive> taiden: here its 20cent per punch not under 10euros
[18:17:06] <Jymmm> taiden: Take your choice...
http://www.twpinc.com/wire-mesh/TWPCAT_12
[18:17:09] <taiden> that is a fair price
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[18:17:56] <taiden> buying the mesh isn't the problem
[18:18:05] <taiden> getting it cut to a 1.75" circle is
[18:18:06] <IchGuckLive> im off By
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[18:18:34] <Connor> for what?
[18:18:41] <Jymmm> taiden:
http://www.twpinc.com/wire-mesh/DISC_STAINLESS_STEEL/p_008X008S0320W48T_DK
[18:18:45] <taiden> oh wait i just found that
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[18:19:55] <Jymmm> s7¢
[18:19:59] <Jymmm> 27¢
[18:20:07] <taiden> where do you find 27 cents?
[18:20:14] <taiden> they want to charge me $6 a piece for a qty 25 order
[18:20:30] <Jymmm> 17¢ for 10000
[18:20:37] <Jymmm> 27¢ for 1000
[18:21:07] <Jymmm> $1.50 for 100
[18:21:21] <taiden> oic
[18:21:35] <taiden> local place is $1.70 for 25 qty
[18:21:41] <taiden> identical mesh
[18:21:46] <taiden> that doesn't seem so bad anymore LOL
[18:21:56] <Connor> taiden: What is this for?
[18:22:30] <taiden> http://vibrolabs.com
[18:22:50] <r00t4rd3d> Canon is really starting to piss me off
[18:23:05] <taiden> forgive the slow loading times
[18:23:15] <taiden> i haven't optimized image sizes yet
[18:24:05] <r00t4rd3d> you make those?
[18:24:08] <taiden> yes
[18:24:12] <Connor> What kind of wood is that ?
[18:24:12] <taiden> this is why i need my cnc to run haha
[18:24:27] <taiden> there are two types of wood pictured, one is honduran mahogany and the other is curly maple
[18:24:45] <Jymmm> taiden: WTF no hawaiian koi?!
[18:24:55] <taiden> i have a chunk here that i am looking into ;)
[18:25:11] <r00t4rd3d> you sell alot of those?
[18:25:30] <Jymmm> taiden: No cocobolo?!
[18:25:38] <Jymmm> taiden: you cheap bastard!
[18:25:52] <Jymmm> lol
[18:26:19] <taiden> cheap?
[18:26:26] <taiden> this honduran mahogany is $15 a board foot
[18:26:38] <Jymmm> Like I said, cheap bastard!
[18:26:45] <taiden> hahaha
[18:27:05] <Jymmm> cocobolo is $40 BF
[18:27:07] <taiden> i've thrown away ~ a board foot today in failed attempts to cnc
[18:27:21] <taiden> that makes no sense because amboyna burls are about $20 a bf
[18:27:26] <taiden> $20-30
[18:27:40] <taiden> if you buy cocobolo at rockler it's probably $80 a bf though haha
[18:27:57] <Jymmm> and hawaiian koi is just obscene
[18:28:15] <taiden> i have this awesome piece of koa
[18:28:25] <taiden> it's not especially curly but
[18:28:33] <taiden> it's an offcut from a limb
[18:28:40] <taiden> has about 1.5" wide heartwood
[18:28:48] <taiden> and a 1" sapwood surruonding it
[18:28:56] <taiden> idk how it's going to come out but im interested to find out
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[18:31:00] <Jymmm> taiden: And no Kauri either,
[18:31:28] <taiden> hey Jymmm
[18:31:43] <taiden> name all the woods you want and i'll list them but min qty 5 and you have to pay up frnot
[18:32:10] <Jymmm> taiden: You need to stop buying this cheap ass < $20 BF crap you got from walmart, m'kay!
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[18:33:41] <taiden> hahaha
[18:33:56] <taiden> I use honduran mahogany because it's very good and easy to work with
[18:34:09] <Jymmm> cheap AND lazy bastard I see
[18:34:13] <taiden> and i dont have the time to handle many variations
[18:34:32] <taiden> the Limiteds will include some of the woods you listed
[18:34:37] <taiden> and be priced to match LOL
[18:34:43] <Jymmm> taiden:
http://www.ancientwood.com/catalog/small-blocks/block-0017
[18:34:59] <Jymmm> cracked though
[18:35:30] <Jymmm> taiden: But not bad to play with for 10,000+ year old wood =)
[18:35:44] <taiden> what the hell is that?
[18:35:55] <taiden> is that petrified?
[18:35:55] <Jymmm> taiden: Ancient Kauri
[18:36:00] <Jymmm> no
[18:36:10] <taiden> it's a good size
[18:36:18] <taiden> my blanks are 3x3x1.5
[18:36:26] <taiden> i could fit quite a few in that chunk
[18:36:41] <Jymmm> taiden:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Kauri
[18:37:02] <Jymmm> ok 2 to 50 thousand yo
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[18:38:06] <taiden> is there any way to call the home function
[18:38:12] <taiden> from ngc
[18:38:14] <taiden> ?
[18:39:30] <taiden> i'd like to be able to call it when cutting multiple parts on a fixture
[18:43:24] <taiden> i want ancient kuri now
[18:43:33] <taiden> any other notable woods?
[18:44:04] <Jymmm> taiden: You are too cheap and lazy bastard to even think of offering it!
[18:44:16] <Jymmm> ;)
[18:44:22] <taiden> it would be perfect for a Limited!
[18:44:30] <Jymmm> taiden: go back to wallyworld where you came from!
[18:44:42] <taiden> haha
[18:44:52] <taiden> expletiveing Jymmm!
[18:45:00] <taiden> $15 bd ft is not trivial!
[18:45:50] <taiden> i think that i would like to figure out how to add estop on latency error
[18:45:59] <taiden> and then commit it to development version of linuxcnc
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[19:04:47] <Jymmm> taiden: maybe a python script that hooks into cl
[19:05:17] <taiden> that's what i was thining
[19:05:40] <Jymmm> or a wrapper script that starts emc from a terminal
[19:05:44] <taiden> any thoughts on calling the homing function?
[19:05:56] <Jymmm> nope
[19:05:56] <cradek> pretty sure motion has a last-period-took-this-long hal output
[19:06:11] <Jymmm> there ya go!
[19:06:11] <cradek> thresholding that would be utterly trivial
[19:06:23] <cradek> if it's a param you'd have to change it to a pin
[19:06:23] <taiden> cradek where would i start to look into that
[19:06:29] <taiden> im totally unfamiliar with hal and cl
[19:06:43] <Jymmm> (and wood too)
[19:06:43] <cradek> brb
[19:06:51] <taiden> jokes
[19:06:56] <taiden> Jymmm's got them
[19:07:00] <Jymmm> nuh uh
[19:07:26] <taiden> as long as I knwo more than my customers I'm good to go right? haha
[19:07:45] <Jymmm> next thing you know you'll try to use ss wire mesh for shields. eeeesh
[19:07:55] <taiden> shields?
[19:08:07] <Jymmm> protection shields from fat fingers
[19:08:12] <taiden> haha
[19:08:25] <taiden> i actually use it for dust capture
[19:08:42] <taiden> my entire cnc router is contained within a ss wire mesh box
[19:08:42] <Jymmm> O_o
[19:08:53] <taiden> with a shop vac for negative pressure
[19:08:54] <Jymmm> the discs?
[19:09:00] <taiden> yes
[19:09:12] <Jymmm> you lined you cnc with 1.75" discs?
[19:09:19] <taiden> doesn't everyone?
[19:09:27] <Jymmm> * WHACK *
[19:09:37] <taiden> you jealous?
[19:09:53] <taiden> my mdf router sucks
[19:10:14] <taiden> formaldehyde based bearings get warm
[19:10:16] <Jymmm> hardly, I have ss screen layered on clear vinyl with grounding points!
[19:10:35] <Jymmm> ground straps
[19:10:42] <taiden> jymmm waht are you running for a cnc machine?
[19:11:08] <Jymmm> toaster and a hf cordless drill
[19:11:15] <taiden> that thing must cook
[19:11:29] <Jymmm> just burns stuff
[19:11:46] <taiden> no but seriously
[19:11:51] <taiden> i need ideas for my next router
[19:11:59] <taiden> i want to start slowly collecting parts to build another
[19:12:01] <taiden> this one is crap
[19:12:02] <Jymmm> 24x24x6 gantry router
[19:12:15] <taiden> did you use plans or self design or purchased?
[19:12:24] <Jymmm> bought frame
[19:12:30] <taiden> cncrouterparts?
[19:12:32] <Jymmm> 8020 based
[19:12:35] <Jymmm> no
[19:12:58] <taiden> you aren't a very forthcoming individual are you?
[19:13:08] <Jymmm> not with it, no.
[19:13:12] <taiden> why not?
[19:13:19] <Jymmm> headaches
[19:13:35] <taiden> my cnc router is responcible for about 30 of mine
[19:13:54] <Jymmm> 4000 of mine
[19:13:58] <taiden> fair enough
[19:14:06] <Jymmm> @ $1/ea
[19:14:10] <taiden> ouch
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[19:14:14] <taiden> i have $1300 into mine total
[19:14:18] <Jymmm> NOW you get it
[19:14:27] <taiden> i want a 18x18x4
[19:14:30] <taiden> mine is floppy
[19:14:33] <taiden> thrown together
[19:14:40] <taiden> 12x10.5x3
[19:14:58] <taiden> had about 5 thou backlash on x and y
[19:15:01] <taiden> has*
[19:15:04] <Jymmm> Fine, you can buy mine =)
[19:15:25] <taiden> what are your thoughts on timing belt based motion?
[19:15:43] <Jymmm> replace every 50,000 miles
[19:15:57] <taiden> all mine have been interference engines
[19:16:06] <taiden> so they do about 200,000
[19:16:13] <taiden> and then eventaully i have to call AAA
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[19:35:06] <Jymmm> taiden: AAA?! Gawd you really are a cheap lazy bastard. You need one of these... www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuL7cOO6EfY
[19:35:17] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuL7cOO6EfY
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[19:46:27] <Jymmm> taiden: What is this finished with?
[19:46:32] <Jymmm> http://vibrolabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/limited-002-4.jpg
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[19:47:42] <archivist> better be linseed oil for teh purity
[19:48:20] <Jymmm> it doesn't look like a hand rubber oil finish, but I could be mistaken.
[19:48:27] <Jymmm> rubbed
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[19:50:52] <taiden> it's boiled linseed
[19:50:57] <taiden> then amber shellac
[19:51:00] <taiden> then lacquer
[19:51:07] <taiden> then polish then beeswax
[19:51:14] <taiden> although next time i will skip the beeswax
[19:51:23] <taiden> the finish didn't come out well on that one so i kept it myself
[19:51:29] <Jymmm> any idea on how I could ghetto together a punch and die for a rectangular slot?
[19:51:42] <Jymmm> taiden: did you take a torch to the wax?
[19:52:02] <archivist> buy a pair form a punch and die maker
[19:52:07] <archivist> from
[19:52:38] <Jymmm> archivist: is that custom made or off the shelf? All I'm seeing are meant for big presses
[19:53:30] <archivist> forces are high when punching, presses are large
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[19:54:22] <Jymmm> I just want a slot in shim stock, so I don't need a 60 ton punch/die
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[19:54:53] <t12> lol man
[19:54:54] <Jymmm> 0.050 x 0.625"
[19:54:55] <t12> audiophiles
[19:55:14] <archivist> that is spelled audiophools
[19:55:27] <Jymmm> 2mm x 13mm fwiw
[19:56:10] <Jymmm> in 0.010" ss
[19:56:11] <archivist> define shim
[19:56:27] <Jymmm> 10mil 302-2B
[19:56:31] <archivist> photo etch
[19:56:42] <taiden> audiophiles are a lovely bunch
[19:56:46] <taiden> very appreciative
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[19:57:20] <taiden> Jymmm: I did not take a torch to the wax, had considered that.
[19:57:45] <taiden> i did attempt a heat gun though, although i was very careful so it seemed to have no effect
[19:58:04] <Jymmm> s/appreciative/high limit credit cards/
[19:58:29] <taiden> s/high limit credit cards/appreciated with high limit credit cards/
[19:58:33] <taiden> appreciative
[19:58:45] <archivist> Jymmm,
http://www.wisetool.com/formular/formula.htm will give you force needed
[20:00:18] <taiden> alright
[20:00:24] <taiden> made enough parts for today
[20:00:32] <taiden> going to go upstairs and enjoy the sun and spray some poly!
[20:00:45] <taiden> thanks all for the help
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[20:03:33] <archivist> if you design the tooling to cut like scissors then the force will be reduced but work holding may will become very important
[20:13:12] <Jymmm> I found this
http://roperwhitney.com/tech/chart4-5.cfm but unlike a hole where I could just use a drill bit to drill into a plate for the "die", then flip the bit over to use as a "punch" in a drill press, I need a "rectangular hole"
[20:15:20] <FinboySlick> rectangular and not square?
[20:15:25] <Jymmm> I just need to do about 100 slots, so the most manual way will be fine for now
[20:15:46] <Jymmm> 0.050" x 0.625" slot
[20:15:50] <archivist> photo etch for the nth time
[20:16:05] <Jymmm> archivist: I cna't use acids.
[20:16:30] <archivist> get a professional to do it!
[20:16:41] <FinboySlick> How thick is the material?
[20:16:50] <Jymmm> 0.010" 302 SS
[20:17:18] <Jymmm> 10mil
[20:17:30] <FinboySlick> Get a Trumph TruPunch 2020
[20:17:36] <Jymmm> lol
[20:17:46] <FinboySlick> Ebay, man.... Ebay.
[20:18:15] <Jymmm> I just need to prototype a few is all
[20:18:38] <Jymmm> I already have waterjet and punch press places for the larger qtys
[20:19:13] <archivist> use them for prototypes too, then you get real prototypes
[20:19:30] <Jymmm> archivist: $123 ea in qty of 10 or less.
[20:19:41] <Jymmm> again, I need to do this in house
[20:19:47] <archivist> real development costs
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[20:21:06] <archivist> who is paying my irc time to help you make a profit
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[20:22:36] <Jymmm> archivist: You're welcome to ignore me if you like.
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[20:35:48] <jdh> so. I ordered another 20lb piece of 1.5" drill rod from amazon since they delivered an empty box last time (price went up $9). Today, I got an empty tube.
[20:36:24] <FinboySlick> jdh: That's pretty bad.
[20:36:25] <cradek> fool you twice, shame on you
[20:37:02] <FinboySlick> jdh: Maybe they cap the box/tube with thin paper and the drill rods fall through? ;)
[20:37:20] <jdh> FinboySlick: yep
[20:37:45] <jdh> last time it was a box though. corner gave out. This time it was a thin piece of paper tape over the bottom of the tube.
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[20:42:10] <FinboySlick> jdh: Makes me wonder where the rods fell along the way.
[20:44:42] <jdh> this one is probably on the first truck it went out on. 36" rod, 38" shipping tube. Single layer of paper tape
[20:44:50] <tjb1> Jymmm: He won't budge on the price of the chiller or shipping
[20:45:02] <Jymmm> tjb1: ?
[20:45:08] <tjb1> The G540 chiller
[20:45:38] <Jymmm> hI would't use one anyway, a slab of al will always work
[20:45:40] <tjb1> Not gonna pay $60 for 2 fans on a circuit board
[20:46:01] <Jymmm> fans fail
[20:46:11] <Jymmm> heatsink failure is RARE
[20:47:02] <jdh> Marris disagrees
[20:47:30] <Jymmm> I mean MELTING of the heatsink as the failure =)
[20:47:39] <tjb1> Jymmm: What do you think of these?
http://www.mcmaster.com/#4146T18
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[20:59:55] <jdh> https://docs.google.com/a/hudsons.org/file/d/0Bz5kbenmrw4VN0owSkRsbVRTUFU/edit#
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[21:01:18] <tjb1> amazon supply?
[21:01:31] <jdh> that would be a misnomer at best.
[21:05:59] <tjb1> jdh -
http://www.mcmaster.com/#4146T18
[21:06:27] <jdh> err... they are lovel?
[21:06:33] <jdh> lovely? or levely anyway
[21:06:50] <tjb1> Not too expensive either
[21:09:00] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:12:07] <tjb1> How much is Epoxy-Granite
[21:12:35] <Jymmm> cultured marble?
[21:13:23] <jdh> depends on what you make it out of, how much epoxy, how much granite
[21:22:43] <tjb1> So its basically just rock, sand and epoxy
[21:24:01] <alex4nder> joe9: feedrates depend a lot on material
[21:24:30] <Jymmm> tjb1: and a heatsink
[21:24:42] <tjb1> heatsink?
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[21:53:08] <tjb1> Jymmm: Whats the tape used for heat sinks
[21:53:18] <tjb1> !seen WillenCMD
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[21:53:51] <JT-Shop> duct tape
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[21:54:45] <tjb1> :/
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[21:58:45] <tjb1> You don't use duct tape
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[22:19:04] <Jymmm> heat sink grease?
[22:19:37] <Jymmm> !seen diety
[22:19:37] <the_wench> Never heard of the entity diety you ask for
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[22:22:13] <tjb1> I don't think that is going to hold a sink of that size
[22:22:42] <Jymmm> you NEVER use adhesive to secure a heatsink.
[22:23:03] <Jymmm> you use mechanical fastener f some sort; typically spring loaded
[22:23:44] <Jymmm> coefficient of thermal expansion
[22:23:52] <tjb1> Well that is going to be complicated :)
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[22:25:02] <JT-Shop> come on Jymmm use some red duct tape
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[22:41:31] <JT-Shop> why does my dell fall asleep and not wake up
[22:41:48] <Tom_itx> you got a lazy one
[22:42:21] <Tom_itx> i dunno, i have 3 laptops sometimes i have to hit the pwr button to wake them
[22:42:47] <Tom_itx> garage door all fixed now
[22:42:55] <JT-Shop> this is a desktop one
[22:42:58] <Tom_itx> had to replace all the pulleys on the springs
[22:43:19] <Tom_itx> not sure
[22:43:23] <jp__> hey all
[22:43:28] <Tom_itx> i'd turn it off in the bios if at all possible
[22:44:07] <jp__> can you do a g31 on a rotary axis?
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[22:46:29] <JT-Shop> what is g31?
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[22:46:47] <jp__> probe/skip i thought
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[22:47:04] <JT-Shop> might want to look that one up in the manual?
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[22:47:43] <jp__> yeah never tried but got an app where it would be useful
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[23:10:49] <ve7it> Jymmm, ping
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[23:30:22] <jdh> he needs a new isp
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