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[00:18:04] <r00t4rd3d> reddit karma, here i come!
[00:18:05] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/OajI2.jpg
[00:20:16] <ReadError> rain forest for bishes
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[00:25:11] <r00t4rd3d> say what?
[00:28:36] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc_router_table_machines/109390-my_newest_desktop_machine-126.html
[00:28:48] <r00t4rd3d> check out microcarves z axis
[00:28:52] <r00t4rd3d> last post
[00:29:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.microcarve.com/ebayz35plain/
[00:29:56] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.microcarve.com/ebayz35ext/
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[00:32:29] <r00t4rd3d> for 160 those are a steal
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[00:32:51] <r00t4rd3d> $159 + $12 shipping
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[00:51:10] <jdh> my daughter got some kid to replace her iphone4 screen for $60, works fine (re: above)
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[00:59:40] <ReadError> like the glass? or actual display?
[01:03:47] <jdh> whole lcd + touch
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[01:12:23] <tjb1> Anyone happen to know how to cut the little 1" glass tiles?
[01:13:11] <jdh> 'the'?
[01:13:47] <tjb1> 1" glass tiles.
[01:14:01] <jdh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnQOfOZWJ9w
[01:14:02] <jdh> like that?
[01:14:15] <tjb1> http://www.susanjablon.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/265x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/1/-/1-inch-espresso-brown-satin-metallic-glass-tile-97518191.jpg
[01:15:17] <Jymmm> I dont think they do, just cur between the 1" tiles
[01:15:20] <Jymmm> vut
[01:15:22] <tjb1> Those are some nifty pliers
[01:15:24] <Jymmm> cut
[01:15:32] <jdh> yeah, I assume they are offset
[01:15:33] <tjb1> The outlet cover isnt big enough for that
[01:15:40] <Jymmm> ah
[01:15:50] <Jymmm> get a bigger one =)
[01:15:54] <tjb1> and I have to cut some weird ones for right next to the bottom of the cabinets
[01:16:02] <tjb1> I would love to, cover some drywall mistakes ;)
[01:16:12] <Jymmm> score and snap?
[01:16:23] <tjb1> Ill need to get a glass tool
[01:16:24] <jdh> harbor freight tile saw
[01:16:31] <tjb1> Got a harbor freight tile saw
[01:16:44] <tjb1> seems like more trouble than its worth
[01:16:47] <Jymmm> tjb1:
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/video/0,,1639380,00.html
[01:18:05] <tjb1> Hmm
[01:18:19] <tjb1> Dont think that will work on these tiles but I will pick up a glass scoring tool and try with pliers
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[01:22:55] <Jymmm> Heh, he left too soon. That's EXACTLY what they did... score and snap =)
[01:23:01] <Jymmm> using a tile cutter
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[01:26:02] <Jymmm> and tile saw too
[01:26:59] <Jymmm> And HF has theirs for $50 right now with coupon
[01:27:34] <Jymmm> http://images.harborfreight.com/cpi/emails/more_coupons/wkend080612/images/1.jpg
[01:27:53] <jdh> <tjb1> Got a harbor freight tile saw
[01:28:01] <Jymmm> ah
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[02:03:04] <Jymmm> then wth did he ask for in the first place?! lol
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[02:17:29] <jdh> I'm fairly sure they don't mention rain nor penis in the job description.
[02:17:52] <jdh> probably made more sense in the right channel, but maybe not.
[02:18:15] <Valen> thats some conversation you have going there
[02:18:28] <Jymmm> Um, where does weathter and anatomy come into this conversation?
[02:18:41] <jdh> as I said... maybe not.
[02:19:37] <Jymmm> jdh: No no go right ahead, I'd REALLY like to know the thught process that got us from cutting glass tiles to weahter anatomy
[02:19:52] <jdh> too much to type or cut/paste.
[02:20:10] <Jymmm> take your time, we'll wait
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[02:58:24] <jdh> connor: did you use 1/4-28 set screws for your tramming thingies?
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[03:54:29] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdp0QsqYbuY&
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[04:32:26] <r00t4rd3d> everyone on the planet is a sports fanatic
[04:32:51] <r00t4rd3d> or thats what everyone who owns a website thinks
[04:35:15] <r00t4rd3d> i like how the dope smoking usa swim team gets their asses kicked then cries the OTHER team is using dope.
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[05:02:07] <Connor> jdh: Honestly Don't remeber..
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[05:11:56] <Gast850> Q: Am I correct in understanding that linuxcnc will not run on ubuntu 12.04?
[05:12:18] <r00t4rd3d> it would if you were a linux guru
[05:12:35] <r00t4rd3d> but most people have to use 10.04
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[05:14:01] <Gast850> ok, no big deal. do you know if the livecd contains linuxcnc 2.4.xx or 2.5?
[05:14:53] <r00t4rd3d> 2.5
[05:15:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/34836
[05:15:57] <r00t4rd3d> im not sure if that works or not
[05:16:17] <r00t4rd3d> explains how to run linuxcnc on 12.04
[05:21:32] <r00t4rd3d> someone should nerd up and do some prebuilt packages for 12.04
[05:21:36] <Gast850> Helpful info :) That doesn't look too bad. I'll give that a try at some point. My mill project has been sitting idle for about 3 years, time to bring it back up to speed.
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[05:42:17] <r00t4rd3d> is it built yet?
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[06:53:15] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[11:22:59] <amaldo> Servus!
[11:29:15] <micges> hi
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[11:50:50] <jthornton> I've created a gladevcp tab and I can't enter anything in the entry boxes as if it does not get mouse focus but the button does
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[12:20:25] <jthornton> well it does get focus but there is no indication that it does ie the vert bar does not show up
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[12:21:33] <jthornton> seems the hal_spinbutton is the same way
[12:21:38] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: you ever go camping on the goldwing?
[12:21:55] <jthornton> no, it's too small to pitch a tent on
[12:22:16] <Jymmm> lol
[12:22:36] <Jymmm> you know what I mean
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[12:22:58] <jthornton> yes i do
[12:23:17] <Jymmm> still no?
[12:23:29] <jthornton> my camping days are over with
[12:23:48] <Jymmm> you make that sound like a bad thing (tm)
[12:24:47] <jthornton> I gave away all my camping gear as the only time we would go camping was on the pontoon boat and I sold that a few years ago
[12:25:40] <Jymmm> Ah
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[12:29:47] <jdh> I also gave mine away last year to make room.
[12:31:20] <Jymmm> You still go on rides that last all day and part of the night?
[12:31:37] <Jymmm> toys for tots, etc
[12:32:09] <jthornton> all day no night
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[12:32:22] <jthornton> poker runs are usually short
[12:32:30] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[12:35:14] <archivist> camping, too much effort, doss in the car
[12:35:33] <Jymmm> sleep in the car?
[12:35:52] <archivist> yes
[12:35:55] <Jymmm> and by car, do you mean an RV?
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[12:36:11] <archivist> no I mean standard car
[12:36:33] <Jymmm> do you have a neck in the morning?
[12:37:03] <archivist> just as uncomfortable as sleeping in a cold tent on rock ground
[12:38:07] <Jymmm> Heh, I'm a wuss, have a queen sized air mattress about 1ft thick =)
[12:38:47] <Jymmm> fits perfectl in a 6 man tent with your gear.
[12:39:38] <Jymmm> Why they call my tent 6man, I have no clue
[12:39:55] <r00t4rd3d> stacked
[12:39:58] <Jymmm> more like 4man snugged
[12:40:28] <r00t4rd3d> 6 Ethiopians / 2 Americans
[12:40:36] <archivist> you are not supposed to be using great big mattresses either
[12:40:47] <Jymmm> or maybe they meant 6 midget man tent
[12:41:00] <Jymmm> archivist: why not?
[12:41:34] <archivist> experience the outdoors, not moving house
[12:42:19] <Jymmm> It's the only luxury, insulates the back from the cold too.
[12:42:48] <archivist> use a plastic bag, you wont need the tent then
[12:43:27] <Jymmm> Yeha,wake up soaking wet from sweating if I did that.
[12:43:39] <Jymmm> aka "emergency blanket"
[12:45:48] <r00t4rd3d> craigslist got me 2 sign jobs. Name/address plate for a cottage and a daycare business sign.
[12:46:26] <r00t4rd3d> 65 a shot and i am cutting them in scrap :D
[12:46:42] <r00t4rd3d> well scrap to me.
[12:47:25] <archivist> using up scrap is the right thing to do, my last job did too
[12:54:58] <jthornton> hmm, I should advertise on craigslist... I wonder how you quote a plasma job?
[12:55:34] <Jymmm> jthornton: run time, 1 hour minimum
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[12:57:12] <Jymmm> or $250 for the first piece, $10 for each additional =)
[12:58:29] <ReadError> american guns
[12:58:37] <ReadError> why is the girl so concearned about a gun for her purse
[12:58:37] <jthornton> I did find out one guy charges $0.11 per inch of cut plus setup plus a charge for each arc start
[12:58:39] <ReadError> shes like 17
[12:58:43] <ReadError> thats not even legal...
[12:59:53] <Jymmm> jthornton: Maybe $100 for the first inch, $0.25 for each additional, no setup nor arc start fees.
[13:00:51] <skunkworks> jthornton, I remember there being a trick to making glade widgets work.. But I don't remember where I was reading that.. I think irc
[13:00:57] <jdh> stick with revolvers for purse guns, way too much crap floating around in a purse.
[13:01:18] <Jymmm> I always cringe when I think about "tooling fees" as they can be all over the place.
[13:01:19] <ReadError> hammerless too
[13:03:29] <Jymmm> ReadError: Why are you looking in 17yo girl's purse for?
[13:05:20] <archivist> tooling fees are needed, I have to make cutters and write gcode for a job
[13:05:34] <jdh> $1/line for gcode
[13:05:40] <jdh> no canned cycles
[13:05:40] <archivist> and spend time working out methods
[13:06:43] <Jymmm> Not those, but like a die for an extrusion machine, or a mold for injection molding.
[13:07:46] <archivist> make no difference, tooling and setup, code writing etc are all one off charges
[13:08:25] <Jymmm> If it wasn't for $5000 minimum per mold, I'd have all kinds of stuff mold injected.
[13:08:34] <jdh> tooling is time + material though, code is just time.
[13:11:09] <Jymmm> In brit speak, is 'meth' short for 'mentholated spirits', or does it have a broader definition?
[13:11:28] <Jymmm> (sp)
[13:11:45] <Jymmm> metholated?
[13:11:50] <ReadError> Jymmm
[13:11:51] <Jymmm> *shrug*
[13:11:52] <ReadError> its that show
[13:11:54] <archivist> usually shortened to meths
[13:11:54] <ReadError> american guns
[13:11:57] <ReadError> they machine guns and stuff
[13:12:05] <ReadError> gunsmithing
[13:12:15] <Jymmm> red something?
[13:12:34] <ReadError> hm?
[13:12:39] <ReadError> shop is gunsmoke
[13:12:52] <Jymmm> archivist: is "meths" just alcohol, or basically distilled spirits of any kind?
[13:13:06] <ReadError> meth has an entirely different meaning in america ;)
[13:14:08] <archivist> meths is methylated spirits
[13:14:57] <archivist> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol
[13:15:01] <Jymmm> Ah "In the UK, Australia, and New Zealand, metho is called methylated spirits. In the US and Canada its called denatured alcohol, methyl hydrate*, or fondue fuel."
[13:16:08] <ReadError> well in america
[13:16:10] <ReadError> if you say meth
[13:16:17] <ReadError> one assume you are talking about methamphetamine
[13:16:20] <ReadError> not spirits
[13:23:42] <Jymmm> Hmmm, I guess technically they are not the same thing... "Denatured alcohol is ethanol with something added to it so that it cannot be consumed (thus avoiding alcohol tax). Normally it is methanol added to it (~10%). Methyl hydrate is pure methanol."
[13:24:13] <Jymmm> also with a lower flashpoint.
[13:27:04] <Jymmm> DNA (DeNatured Alcohol) burns hot enough as it is, I can only imagine what ethanol (Everclear 190 Proof) would burn at.
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[13:41:54] <jdh> r00t: what size cutter are you using?
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[14:59:03] <pingufan> Hello, I just finished the installation of Ubuntu Hardy (8.04) on my CNC mill's CF card. I cannot use version 10.x, it is not working on my hardware.
[14:59:52] <pingufan> Now I want to add "joe" as ASCII editor, and ssh server. Can somebody, please, help me? I am not familiar with Ubuntu.
[15:00:11] <jdh> sudo apt-get install joe
[15:00:20] <jdh> or, just type in 'joe' and see what happens.
[15:00:26] <pingufan> Tells me that it doesn't find it.
[15:00:55] <jdh> oh, I think in 10.04, it will say "not installed, type sudo apt-get install joe" to install or something similar
[15:01:21] <jdh> joe is so non-unixy though.
[15:01:35] <Jymmm> use nano or pico
[15:01:51] <pingufan> It sais: You will have to enable the component called 'universe'
[15:01:58] <jdh> also non-unixy
[15:02:19] <pingufan> I prefer joe.
[15:02:37] <jdh> I also like joe.
[15:02:59] <jdh> if you have the normal ubuntu desktop, look in system/admin/software or seomthing like that.
[15:03:02] <pingufan> what's this 'universe' ?
[15:03:18] <JT-Shop> why do people from craigslist email you this "STILL AVAILABLE FOR SALE?"
[15:03:27] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: spam bots
[15:03:28] <jdh> JT: because they are illiterate idiots?
[15:03:46] <JT-Shop> I thought so, I never respond to them
[15:03:53] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I bet the email address is xxxx5234@blah
[15:04:01] <pingufan> :D
[15:04:13] <JT-Shop> cnewsome2011@gmail.com
[15:04:19] <Jymmm> yep =)
[15:04:34] <Jymmm> somethingNUMBER@
[15:04:50] <pingufan> Can someone, please, help me? :)
[15:05:01] <jdh> ping: see above.
[15:05:06] <JT-Shop> you might try on the ubuntu channel
[15:05:14] <Jymmm> most of those are just spam bots harvesting email addresses.
[15:05:15] <jdh> if you have the normal ubuntu desktop, look in system/admin/software or seomthing like that, enable universe or whatever it is called
[15:05:27] <archivist> pingufan, for general ubuntu help see #ubuntu channel
[15:05:40] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: on the bottom of the email click on "report spam" link
[15:06:01] <JT-Shop> gotcha
[15:07:12] <pingufan> That showed me this "universe" option. Thanks.
[15:07:55] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: In my CL post, I usually ask them to include a name and number if they want a response. It filters out a lot of flakes too.
[15:08:33] <Jymmm> (except this week of course)
[15:09:09] <JT-Shop> lol
[15:09:21] <pingufan> it's fantastic how fast it is after adding the tmpfs lines from the wiki on the CF-Card. :)
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[15:31:17] <pingufan> After installing the 8.04 ISO, I have now EMC 2.3.5 installed. I could also copy the emc2/config/ directory from my old harddisk, this appears to be ok. But I had a newer version of linuxcnc installed. Shall I upgrade to 2.4.7 or to 2.5 ?
[15:31:31] <jdh> yes.
[15:31:54] <pingufan> 2.4.7 or 2.5 ?
[15:32:06] <pingufan> My Ubuntu is 8.04 .
[15:32:06] <skunkworks> 2.5
[15:32:23] <jdh> why can't you use 10.04?
[15:33:19] <pingufan> I tried it first. My VIA EPIA-M mainboard cannot boot that one!
[15:33:31] <pingufan> 8.04 wrks fine.
[15:47:13] <jdh> $80 d525 board?
[15:48:01] <skunkworks> *2.5.1
[15:48:04] <Jymmm> jdh: Shush you! Quit making sense, you'll confuse the natives.
[15:51:49] <jdh> the steve was right about flash.
[15:54:25] <pingufan> Well, 2.5.1 is running. I ran (to be sure) through stepconf before. What I didn't have in the old setup was the tooltip sensor. Can somebody help me with that, please?
[16:00:36] <pingufan> I remember that this was tricky
[16:03:16] <jdh> do you have the line from your old config?
[16:07:42] <pingufan> No. I picked out an old harddisk which was before my upgrade to v4.7. So could recover the stepper config and how the spindle is turned on/off, but at that tome I had no tooltip sensor. The disk with the tooltip sensor configured didn't spin up from one day to the next.
[16:07:58] <pingufan> So I have to re-invent the config for the tooltip sensor. :(
[16:08:29] <pingufan> ... starting with finding out the right input pin...
[16:09:17] <jdh> like: net probe parport.0.pin-XX-in-not => motion.probe-input
[16:10:16] <pingufan> Is there a tool which shows me all pins and then I can press and release the sensor to see which pin changes?
[16:11:52] <pingufan> I slightly remember that there was something for that.
[16:16:47] <pingufan> How can I see the status of the "Sensor" pin on the screen? I can only try all possible pins and actuate the switch to find out which pin is the right one.
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[16:26:23] <Jymmm> No tech support today, India has no electricity =)
[16:26:39] <Jymmm> 5 MILLION ppl without power
[16:27:09] <Jymmm> no trains running (electric)
[16:28:03] <TekniQue> good thing they don't have electric cars too
[16:28:11] <Jymmm> lol
[16:28:19] <pingufan> They have electricity at all? ;)
[16:28:21] <Jymmm> and really long extension cords
[16:28:24] <TekniQue> but I bet the petrol stations require electricity to pump
[16:28:36] <TekniQue> so even without electric cars, shit is all fucked
[16:28:56] <Jymmm> Bet I have bolts cutters and a manual pump =)
[16:30:28] <Jymmm> Sucks though, I usually use an angler grinder for that, but sparks + gasoline, not a good thing I dont think ;)
[16:30:51] <Jymmm> angler?! hahaha
[16:31:45] <pingufan> In which docs is explained how to configure the tool sensor, please?
[16:39:38] <jdh> it was 360million without power earlier.
[16:39:49] <skunkworks> pingufan,
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Touch_Probe
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[16:47:10] <JT-Shop> pingufan: to see the status of a pin go to Machine > Show Hal Configuration and add that pin to the watch window
[16:56:38] <pingufan> JT-Shop: Thanks for this hint. I see on probe-in a red dot, when I press the switch the color changes to yellow.
[16:57:09] <pingufan> So I found the right pin, it is pin 11, non-inverting.
[16:57:38] <pingufan> I chose that in stepconf.
[16:57:56] <pingufan> Is that all I have to do, or are there further things I have to do?
[16:58:21] <pingufan> to make it operational?
[16:58:55] <pingufan> I remember there was an M command to store the position of the sensor.
[16:59:15] <pingufan> So the mill moved there automatically for probing.
[16:59:22] <Jymmm> Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
http://www.rightthisminute.com/video/adorable-baby-walrus-rescued-sea
[16:59:59] <cpresser> pingufan:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G38-probe
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[17:01:47] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[17:08:31] <Jymmm> I sent our 6 RFQ's last night. Today I'm like WTH?! Not one reply yet. Then I realize I've been up since 4am and it's only 10am now =)
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[17:18:08] <r00t4rd3d> Shit I had to delete my craigslist ad for signs
[17:18:27] <r00t4rd3d> I got 5 to do now :/
[17:19:07] <jdh> cool
[17:19:16] <jdh> how big are they? What size cutter?
[17:19:33] <r00t4rd3d> all fall in 12x24 size
[17:19:44] <r00t4rd3d> mostly vbit, 1/4
[17:20:00] <jdh> what are you using for the cam?
[17:20:35] <archivist> keep the ad, get more work...profit
[17:21:26] <r00t4rd3d> cut2d,3d, vector magic to convert a couple logo's
[17:21:49] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[17:22:09] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/cQAo3.jpg
[17:22:21] <r00t4rd3d> a girl is on her way to give me a down payment for that
[17:22:31] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna redo it in oak plywood
[17:22:50] <r00t4rd3d> that was my rough draft
[17:23:26] <r00t4rd3d> heh her email "That looks amazing! I would love the sign to be made."
[17:23:51] <jdh> cool, you can pay for the software now!
[17:24:18] <r00t4rd3d> yeah right
[17:25:25] <r00t4rd3d> $399 for the cut2d/3d bundle
[17:26:07] <r00t4rd3d> if it keeps making me money, i might buy it
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[17:49:46] <IchGuckLive> r00t4rd3d: did you try< incscape
[17:50:22] <IchGuckLive> i use incscape and pycam engrave for signes
[17:50:55] <IchGuckLive> r00t4rd3d: i can direct to a video for a workflow
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[17:52:06] <IchGuckLive> r00t4rd3d: did you use our siomple g-code text cam for the text in the sign
[17:52:22] <IchGuckLive> at linuxcnc knolegbase
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[18:00:53] <r00t4rd3d> no
[18:01:06] <r00t4rd3d> i did all the text in photoshop
[18:01:52] <IchGuckLive> gimp does it also but there is a text engrave on our webside
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[18:02:13] <r00t4rd3d> then i converted the image to eps format with vector magic, cut them out with cut2d.
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[18:02:31] <IchGuckLive> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators
[18:02:43] <IchGuckLive> under Nr 8
[18:02:46] <r00t4rd3d> i generate all my code on windows
[18:02:58] <IchGuckLive> ok
[18:03:10] <r00t4rd3d> much easier
[18:03:19] <IchGuckLive> as you say
[18:03:30] <IchGuckLive> its just a workflow
[18:03:47] <IchGuckLive> i dont use windows since 2005
[18:04:06] <r00t4rd3d> im a life long member
[18:04:13] <IchGuckLive> all education PC are on ubuntu
[18:04:29] <r00t4rd3d> thats funny cause ubuntu sucks ass
[18:04:36] <r00t4rd3d> made for retards by retards
[18:04:44] <L84Supper> http://www.techshop.ws/ anyone ever visited one?
[18:04:59] <Jymmm> L84Supper: yep
[18:05:06] <IchGuckLive> in the early jears it worked out nowone coudt work with it for doing aslot of jokes now the students know linux
[18:05:15] <pingufan> normally I wouldn't touch Ubuntu, but I am forced by the iso. :(
[18:05:47] <r00t4rd3d> pingufan, you can use plain ole debian with out the ubuntu shit shell
[18:05:47] <pingufan> It is always a nightmare to me to configure something. SuSE is *much* more comfortable.
[18:06:16] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: ws adresses are offen vharming your pc
[18:07:12] <IchGuckLive> pingufan: does linuxcnc run under suse
[18:07:30] <IchGuckLive> if been asked this fore many times
[18:07:52] <r00t4rd3d> you can run it on just about any distro if you guru enough.
[18:07:55] <pingufan> Theoretically yes, but it is lot of work to compile and install it. So I sadly accept this Ubuntu crap on my mill (only).
[18:08:10] <r00t4rd3d> ping im in the same boat
[18:08:28] <IchGuckLive> as i only use it for linuxcnc sim and heekscad als o
[18:08:29] <pingufan> :)
[18:08:35] <r00t4rd3d> i just maximize linuxcnc and try to ignore it
[18:08:36] <L84Supper> what unofficial distro would people like to have a liveCD and installer for?
[18:09:00] <r00t4rd3d> debian
[18:09:00] <IchGuckLive> mint
[18:09:06] <r00t4rd3d> make it official
[18:09:41] <r00t4rd3d> i imagine they choose ubuntu though for the noob factor, any dope can install and run it.
[18:09:55] <L84Supper> debian breaks their own install discs
[18:09:56] <pingufan> I use it only for my mill, nothing else, and meanwhile I found ways to make it "more SuSE".
[18:10:26] <IchGuckLive> all other bneeded frree is also on ubuntu like blender gimp incscape just a apt-get away
[18:10:28] <r00t4rd3d> if you tried hard enough you could probably mirror it
[18:10:33] <L84Supper> we tried to support Arch but they keep on breaking their own updates
[18:10:53] <IchGuckLive> is there a debian RTI available
[18:11:01] <IchGuckLive> for mint there is none
[18:11:13] <IchGuckLive> suse ? also a realtime
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[18:11:28] <IchGuckLive> all depends on RTI at linuxcnc
[18:11:44] <r00t4rd3d> need to get away from rti
[18:11:47] <pingufan> There IS a Realtime openSUSE !
[18:12:01] <r00t4rd3d> there has to be a better way then rti
[18:12:18] <L84Supper> does Suse use SELinux like Fedora does?
[18:12:21] <pcw_home> All other ways screw software step machines
[18:12:38] <r00t4rd3d> so the right way hasnt been found
[18:12:39] <pingufan> a little bit. It can be enabled/disabled
[18:13:05] <r00t4rd3d> send linus a message
[18:13:07] <pingufan> But there is a Realtime kernel available.
[18:13:24] <pingufan> (never used it).
[18:13:25] <r00t4rd3d> has anyone ever sent him a email asking for input?
[18:13:31] <r00t4rd3d> he does respond
[18:13:45] <pcw_home> I'm all in favor of RT prempt et-al, we will sell more hardware ;-)
[18:14:09] <L84Supper> port to RTEMS?
[18:16:08] <IchGuckLive> ok im out Olympia Germany today in a Medel Shower
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[18:17:40] <L84Supper> what are the problems with building packages and kernels for Mint?
[18:20:11] <pcw_home> why would a kernel be different from dist to dist? seems dumb to me
[18:20:32] <jdh> everyone needs a riced up kernelle
[18:20:57] <pcw_home> sigh
[18:21:29] <L84Supper> why does ubuntu keep their build process so obfuscated?
[18:21:51] <L84Supper> some distros just have an agenda
[18:21:56] <jdh> don't they all?
[18:22:00] <archivist> it is as bad as debian it is based on
[18:22:21] <Jymmm> distro bashing I see =)
[18:22:33] <L84Supper> not bashing
[18:22:42] <archivist> whining
[18:22:46] <Jymmm> lol
[18:22:46] <jdh> I could donate my SLS floppies if someone wants to build linuxcnc on there.
[18:22:58] <jdh> is whinging the same as whining?
[18:23:17] <Jymmm> jdh: Yeah, just with hot sauce
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[18:23:29] <Jymmm> and blue cheese dressing on the side
[18:23:29] <L84Supper> it would be nice to find a distro with mature devs that don't have any control issues
[18:23:46] <Jymmm> L84Supper: It's called FBSD
[18:23:55] <L84Supper> maybe RedHat
[18:24:34] <Jymmm> No, still FreeBSD.
[18:24:50] <L84Supper> maybe
[18:24:53] <jdh> what about OpenBSD, or 386BSD?
[18:24:58] <Jymmm> sure
[18:25:19] <Jymmm> Any LSD based education facility distro =)
[18:25:33] <Jymmm> It's not called Bezerkeley for nothing
[18:26:46] <Jymmm> I seriously doubt that it's not just a coincidence that both LSD and BSD came from UC Berkeley.
[18:26:52] <L84Supper> http://armdevices.net/2012/07/12/129-exynos4412-quad-core-arm-cortex-a9-development-board/ not sure what the IRQ's look like yet
[18:27:40] <jdh> except for the whole LSD came from .ch thing.
[18:27:41] <Jymmm> But, Which came first... LSD or BSD?
[18:28:29] <L84Supper> BSDCNC
[18:28:41] <L84Supper> another name change
[18:28:44] <jdh> lsdcnc might be more interesting.
[18:29:05] <Jymmm> jdh: I don't care. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
[18:29:10] <Jymmm> ;)
[18:30:10] <L84Supper> GentooCNC
[18:30:28] <Jymmm> L84Supper: That would be ChaosCNC
[18:30:47] <Jymmm> or SuicideCNC
[18:30:53] <Jymmm> CentOS ok
[18:31:06] <jdh> so, what's wrong with ubuntu, other that it tries to be too pretty?
[18:31:10] <Jymmm> CentOSCNC == COC
[18:31:28] <Jymmm> jdh: seriously custom dependancies
[18:32:05] <Jymmm> jdh: No sound card. Installed Ubuntu, it install movie player, I uninstalled movie player, it uninstalled X.
[18:32:18] <jdh> cool, never had that problem.
[18:32:22] <cradek> I love freebsd at least as much as the next guy, but there's no rtai for it.
[18:32:35] <L84Supper> no!
[18:32:50] <Jymmm> cradek: Um
http://rtbsd.org/en/
[18:32:54] <djdelorie> Febora
[18:33:00] <jdh> who else uses rtai?
[18:33:37] * djdelorie suspects there's a newer RT mechanism for modern linux kernels that should be used, to be more portable
[18:33:51] <L84Supper> jdh: they are kernel patches to improve the kernels interrupt response
[18:33:52] <Jymmm> portable for what?
[18:33:55] <cradek> Jymmm: perhaps pay attention to what you're doing when removing packages - it always says what it'll do before it does it. :-)
[18:34:04] <djdelorie> across modern linux distros and architectures
[18:34:09] <djdelorie> ARM, for example
[18:34:12] <cradek> hm, one post on 2011/4/29. wonder if there's actually any project
[18:34:19] <Jymmm> cradek: Oh I paid full attention.
[18:34:23] <jdh> L84: I know what it is... what other systems/uses/wtf use RTAI?
[18:34:34] <cradek> yep sure
[18:34:47] <jdh> cradek: they are waiting for the results of the logo competition before starting.
[18:35:08] <r00t4rd3d> crap a guy wants 3 of the signs I designed for him.
[18:35:32] <Jymmm> cradek: It was a test box, so didn't care. But to take out ALL of X becasue it has a depenency on a fricking movie player?! That's just too much.
[18:36:16] <L84Supper> jdh: people also use it for things like multimedia. Audio playback without pauses
[18:36:47] <Jymmm> jdh: ARM, what you gonna run it off a tablet?
[18:37:11] <Jymmm> (which might not ba a bad thing, already has a touch screen)
[18:37:15] <jdh> not even a guess what you are talking about.
[18:37:26] <djdelorie> Jymmm: there are plenty of non-tablet ARM devices out there
[18:37:39] <djdelorie> pandaboard, for example
[18:37:40] <Jymmm> djdelorie: Any I can get from Frys?
[18:37:47] <djdelorie> digikey at least
[18:37:52] <Jymmm> eh
[18:38:09] <djdelorie> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/UEVM4430G-01-00-00/UEVM4430F-01-00-00-ND/2349866?cur=USD
[18:38:26] <djdelorie> but also the RaspberryPI, Trimslice, Beagles, and a few others
[18:38:50] <Jymmm> yeah yeah, glorified uC imnso
[18:39:12] <djdelorie> dual core 1.2GHz with a gig of ram is "glorified uC" ?
[18:39:21] <Jymmm> lol
[18:39:38] <Jymmm> djdelorie: Ok, I semi lied. I only like the OMAP
[18:39:52] <djdelorie> PandaES is omap and runs official Fedora 17
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[18:40:26] <Jymmm> there's only one sepeicifc one I like, getting link...
[18:40:33] <L84Supper> somebody ported RHEL to ARM
[18:40:55] <L84Supper> runs on the A10
[18:41:01] <djdelorie> legaleze: technically, they did NOT, the result is not legally "a RHEL port"
[18:41:17] <L84Supper> Red Sleeves Linux :)
[18:41:33] <L84Supper> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/532332455-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html
[18:41:35] <djdelorie> our legal department has already spoken with them
[18:41:56] <djdelorie> yeah, the A10 is showing up in a couple of new arm things.
[18:42:00] <L84Supper> Henrik Nordstrum (sp)
[18:42:47] <Jymmm> djdelorie: This is the ONLY one I like, and it can run any i386 OS/Distro natively...
http://www.logicpd.com/products/system-on-modules/dm3730-torpedo-wireless-som/
[18:42:53] <L84Supper> djdelorie, what the end result of the RHEL-ish for ARM?
[18:43:02] <Jymmm> windows, debian, etc
[18:43:32] <djdelorie> Jymmm: the Sitara is an ARM chip too, not i386
[18:44:43] <djdelorie> L4B: officially we (by "we" I mean "the community") have Fedora for ARM and have not announced any other plans.
[18:44:50] <Jymmm> djdelorie: I dont know what that is, but I just don't want to fight things anymore. No porting, no make, just dl the iso and run it.
[18:45:07] <djdelorie> Jymmm: you can do that for Fedora/ARM now :-)
[18:45:08] <pingufan> What can I do to get this stupid RTAPI error away? I ran the latency test, there I saw 12500 max. I entered then 14000 insto stepconf (to be on safe side), but I still get this message.
[18:45:28] <Jymmm> djdelorie: I dont have to is the point.
[18:45:43] <Jymmm> djdelorie: If I want XP, fine.
[18:45:43] <djdelorie> Jymmm: I mean, you can just download the ISO for ARM
[18:46:15] <djdelorie> for Fedora, I mean, not for LinuxCNC. The RTAI dependency limits what you can "just install" on
[18:46:18] <Jymmm> djdelorie: XP doens't have ARM that I'm aware of
[18:46:32] <djdelorie> what is XP?
[18:46:56] <Jymmm> Windows XP/CE/Embedded/etc
[18:47:16] <djdelorie> I don't see how Windows got into the conversation...
[18:47:53] <L84Supper> heh story just poped up on slashdot "fedora 18 to feature Gnome 2 fork MATE"
[18:49:29] <Jymmm> djdelorie: I believe in the right tool for the job, and it that means Windows for a certain aspect or application, so be it.
[18:50:12] <Jymmm> SolidWorks, CorelDraw, some funky interface to some unique hardware, etc
[18:50:21] <djdelorie> If you want to run XP, buy a PC, but I still don't see how that's relevent to linuxcnc at all...
[18:50:26] <Jymmm> sometimes Windows is a necessary evil.
[18:50:46] <L84Supper> yeah, I wish there were better CAD tools for Linux
[18:50:47] <Jymmm> We were talking ARM.
[18:51:15] <djdelorie> we were taking about linuxcnc on arm
[18:51:29] <Jymmm> djdelorie: goony goo goo
[18:51:44] <amaldo> Jymmm: Fine, but it is worth having an specialized operating system dealing with the real time and control of your machine. Windows is simply not made for such tasks.
[18:51:48] <L84Supper> maybe on the quad core samsung module
[18:52:32] <L84Supper> http://hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/main.php
[18:52:34] <Jymmm> amaldo: I wasn't saying for RT, I was saying for necessary evil applications,,
[18:53:33] <alex4nder> I'm thinking the solution is a combination of BeOS and QNX.
[18:53:41] <amaldo> Jymmm: I see, I thought it had something to do with linuxcnc (because of the name of the channel). :)
[18:53:57] <Jymmm> alex4nder: QNX? really?
[18:54:07] <alex4nder> trolololol
[18:54:11] <alex4nder> maybe greenhills?
[18:54:24] <Jymmm> Well, that would djdelorie area of expertise
[18:54:43] <amaldo> Jymmm: QNX is actually very good for real time tasks. I would prefer it to VXworks, which is what I have to deal with for some robots' controllers.
[18:54:58] <alex4nder> yup
[18:55:05] <alex4nder> QNX is actually the shit, if you need it.
[18:55:08] <Jymmm> amaldo: So is Free-DOS =)
[18:55:25] <amaldo> But honestly, I don't mind Linux RTAI at all. I wonder what are the problems people complain about.
[18:55:51] <jdh> I got a weld power supply in the other day that runs FreeDOS
[18:55:54] <amaldo> Jymmm: not really. I miss having a POSIX-compliant operating system.
[18:56:01] <Jymmm> ppl complain about linux in general, is that what you mean?
[18:56:23] <Jymmm> amaldo: I think I cna dig up one that fits on a 1.44 FDD =)
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[18:56:49] <amaldo> Jymmm: Not at all, GNU/Linux is great. I was wondering why we are discussing other realtime operating systems, when Linux RTAI is fine.
[18:57:25] <Jymmm> amaldo: you'll have to scroll back to find that out
[18:57:41] <amaldo> Jymmm: Sure, but I can get a 4GB SD card to boot for $10. Why would anyone need to limit themselves so heavily on space?
[18:58:01] <amaldo> Jymmm: You were complaining about Ubuntu, if I'm correct.
[18:58:09] <L84Supper> amaldo: were just discussing options to Ubuntu
[18:58:14] <Jymmm> No, L84Supper was
[18:58:19] <L84Supper> heh
[18:58:28] <amaldo> I see.
[18:58:29] <Jymmm> archivist: was whining,
[18:58:39] <Jymmm> then djdelorieasked why, and I responded.
[18:58:44] <Jymmm> with onw example.
[18:58:58] * archivist denies
[18:59:00] <amaldo> If people are willing to accept Windows for certain applications, I don't see why not just accept an Ubuntu computer as a machine controller. :)
[18:59:00] <Jymmm> amaldo: PAY ATTENTION! Conversations topics change every 15s, KEEP UP!
[18:59:21] <amaldo> Jymmm: I'm noticing that. :) I need to drink more coffee.
[18:59:32] * Jymmm erases archivist log file entries... plausabl denability ;)
[18:59:41] <L84Supper> maybe people have the power to change Linux but not windows
[18:59:53] <Jymmm> VM FTW!!!
[19:00:07] <archivist> rm -rf works on windows to change it
[19:00:17] <Jymmm> Does ARM have the ability to run VM's?
[19:00:26] <amaldo> Debian/rules!
[19:00:31] <djdelorie> not yet
[19:00:41] <Jymmm> for desktop, CentOS for server.
[19:00:44] <Jymmm> djdelorie: thanks.
[19:01:17] <djdelorie> my only "complaint" about RTAI is that it is not as well supported as mainstream Linux kernels, which makes running LinuxCNC on other distros harder
[19:01:32] <Jymmm> djdelorie: FWIW, that SoC could
[19:01:36] <djdelorie> but I run the stock ubuntu/linuxcnc on my machine, so it's only a minor complaint :-)
[19:01:46] <L84Supper> rtai vs xenomai
[19:02:09] <Jymmm> xenomai is a VMM isn't it?
[19:02:12] <alex4nder> djdelorie: doing a debian build of RTAI that works is also close to trivial.
[19:02:25] <alex4nder> but not really well documented.
[19:02:39] <amaldo> I had to track a specific Kontron motherboard, with a specific Core2Duo chip, to get VXworks for a robots' controller. And it had to be _that hardware_. In comparison Linux RTAI is a wonder of hardware compatibility. :)
[19:02:40] <Jymmm> alex4nder: GIT ER DONE!
[19:02:53] <alex4nder> Jymmm: I have .debs around.. what more do people want. ;)
[19:03:07] <Jymmm> alex4nder: DOCS BIOTCH! ;)
[19:03:11] <alex4nder> haha
[19:03:15] <alex4nder> I'll post them at some point
[19:03:18] <alex4nder> it's on my todo list
[19:03:19] <Jymmm> alex4nder: so we can say RTMF =)
[19:03:24] <Jymmm> RTFM
[19:03:52] <Tom_itx> ask on irc, don't RTFM
[19:03:53] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Oh shit, that's right below "when pigs fly", right?
[19:04:01] <alex4nder> Jymmm: no, I actually go through my todo list
[19:04:07] <alex4nder> I just have a lot of work in front of it.
[19:04:10] <alex4nder> and moving, and going to europe.
[19:04:14] <alex4nder> etc.
[19:04:28] <L84Supper> http://code.google.com/p/miniemc2/ used xenomai
[19:04:40] <L84Supper> that was on an arm9
[19:04:43] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Is that a 'to do' or a 'Honey do' list =)
[19:04:52] <alex4nder> Jymmm: todo
[19:04:58] <Jymmm> alex4nder: liar
[19:04:58] <alex4nder> my wife has her own list
[19:05:21] <amaldo> L84Supper: nice project.
[19:05:24] <Jymmm> alex4nder: and she has your too, in a mulit-volume set!
[19:05:33] <alex4nder> plz.
[19:05:49] <Tom_itx> is there a pot of gold at the end of a Honey do list or something?
[19:05:57] <alex4nder> no, there's only more work
[19:06:07] <Jymmm> alex4nder: $10 USD via PayPal, if you honestly ask her, she has AT LEAST three things to add to your list.
[19:06:21] <alex4nder> Jymmm: nope
[19:06:31] <alex4nder> it doesn't work that way
[19:07:06] <Jymmm> hahahahahaha, Well I hope 'dog house' and 'couch' are on your to-do list, else might want to add divorce layer =)
[19:07:33] <Jymmm> ^w
[19:07:35] <alex4nder> thanks for the marriage advice,. it's why I come to #linuxcnc
[19:07:52] <Jymmm> np
[19:08:00] <jdh> Jymm: married long?
[19:08:14] <L84Supper> why do you think there's little poetry about marriage and middle age
[19:08:28] <Jymmm> lol @ L84Supper
[19:08:47] <Jymmm> L84Supper: arsenic and old lace
[19:09:17] <djdelorie> oedipus ;-)
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[19:09:47] <Jymmm> Nancy Astor: “Sir, if you were my husband, I would give you poison.”
[19:09:47] <Jymmm> Churchill: “If I were your husband I would take it.”
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[19:11:26] <Jymmm> I lmao the first time I read that =)
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[20:41:56] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:34:13] <r00t4rd3d> i think DJ9DJ is a goodnight bot
[21:34:30] <r00t4rd3d> just idles for 10 hours then gn8
[21:34:46] <r00t4rd3d> clock starts over
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[21:55:04] <JT-Shop> seems that way yes
[21:56:41] <syyl> he is a real person ;)
[21:56:49] <syyl> in another channel he even talks!
[21:56:55] <JT-Shop> lol
[21:56:59] <alex4nder> laf
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[22:20:58] <Tom_itx> wonder where danimal went, he kinda just dissappeared
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[23:04:18] <JT-Shop> he does that
[23:05:35] <Jymmm> he does?
[23:07:08] <r00t4rd3d> maybe he is a criminal and does bouts in prison.
[23:08:03] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhqclwD1ssk&list=UUz5Hfl-_SxC8GLNHEDJJT3w&index=1&feature=plcp
[23:10:20] <r00t4rd3d> did you see the video of my machine? The speeds are incredible!
[23:10:27] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc3-5MiWTcE&feature=g-upl
[23:11:10] <JT-Shop> it has dual headlights?
[23:11:19] <r00t4rd3d> dual led lights
[23:11:55] <ReadError> wonder what happend to ThadiusB
[23:13:12] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=30&id=22644#22644
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[23:16:30] <skunkworks__> nice
[23:18:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: WTF?? It said 'NOS' and then 'Jet' and first thought was someone fab'ed a jet pack!!! what a let down.
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[23:30:13] <skunkworks__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-czq58hQwGo
[23:31:18] <skunkworks__> really cool other than the realtime error on axis
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[23:35:21] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: you read too much into things
[23:36:49] <andypugh> The 3D-printed end covers are nice.
[23:36:57] <JT-Shop> yes
[23:38:12] <skunkworks__> there is a local inventers club that suposidly has a reprap
[23:38:45] <JT-Shop> some melting of the plastic
[23:39:39] <r00t4rd3d> plastic melting is for n00bs
[23:43:08] <JT-Shop> he is cutting the wrong way around
[23:44:40] <skunkworks__> everyone is a critic ;)
[23:44:46] <JT-Shop> lol
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[23:45:25] <JT-Shop> no preamble
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[23:45:47] <JT-Shop> or maybe I'm way off base
[23:46:10] <Tom_itx> i should put the hdd back in this via machine and try to figure out why realtime didn't load
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[23:46:25] <ReadError> awww skunkworks__
[23:46:30] <ReadError> you only had a friend for a summer?
[23:46:42] <Tom_itx> it wouldn't require a different build for an eden chip would it?
[23:46:55] <JT-Shop> dunno
[23:46:58] <Tom_itx> ubuntu loaded fine
[23:47:03] <Tom_itx> but no realtime
[23:47:07] <Tom_itx> from the live cd
[23:47:07] <JT-Shop> when you boot is there more than one kernel?
[23:47:12] <Tom_itx> and linuxcnc is there
[23:47:19] <Tom_itx> dunno how to tell
[23:47:24] <Tom_itx> there shouldn't be
[23:47:36] <JT-Shop> when you boot up you can pick the kernel somehow
[23:47:38] <Tom_itx> there was nothing else on the hdd
[23:48:09] <Tom_itx> i just picked the install from the menu
[23:48:13] <Tom_itx> like i did on the atom
[23:49:13] <JT-Shop> try dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[23:49:26] <Tom_itx> i gotta swap hdd first
[23:49:37] <Tom_itx> i put this windows one back in for now
[23:50:08] <Tom_itx> i guess i can give it one more go
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[23:51:13] <JT-Shop2> should say ii linux-image-2.6.32-122-rtai 2.6.32-122.35.rtai
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[23:51:20] <Tom_L> lemme swap it out real quick
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[23:52:37] <Tom_L> i'll just let it hang out the box for now
[23:52:48] <Tom_L> unless i can get it to work
[23:52:57] <skunkworks__> ReadError: ?
[23:53:03] <Tom_L> zlog
[23:53:04] <zlog> Tom_L: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2012-07-31.html
[23:53:46] <r00t4rd3d> !die
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[23:54:55] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFRbZJXjWIA
[23:55:05] <andypugh> I found a different way to neaten up my stepper wires, but I think I prefer the 3d-printed caps really:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/20UsgDxjZ7V09VCKZ833T9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
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[23:55:57] <JT-Shop> that looks good, all you needed was a 90 degree for the flex :)
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[23:56:59] <JT-Shop> look at those calipers laying in the chips
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[23:57:37] <andypugh> Yeah, watevah
[23:57:41] <skunkworks__> heh - whatever
[23:57:43] <JT-Shop> LOL
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[23:58:14] <skunkworks__> :) That is why we have atleast 4 cheap calipers laying around...
[23:58:38] <JT-Shop> tom is a cameleon
[23:58:55] <skunkworks__> andypugh: is that flexable electrical conduit>
[23:59:13] <andypugh> Yes
[23:59:18] <Tom_itx> ii linux-image-2.6.32-122-rtai 2.6.32-122.35.rtai Linux kernel image for version 2.6.32 on x86
[23:59:19] <Tom_itx> ii rtai-modules-2.6.32-122-rtai 3.8.1-linuxcnc1 Real Time modules for linux-image-2.6.32-122
[23:59:32] <Tom_L> is what it returned
[23:59:45] <Tom_L> trying to set irc up on it too is all the nick fuss
