#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-07-25

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[00:04:12] <andypugh> He be in /usr/share/doc/linuxcnc/examples/sample-configs/common/core_sim.hal
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[00:10:59] <L84Supper> anyone heard the plan for the next LiveCD? Still Ubuntu or?
[00:13:26] <andypugh> I have heard nothing, but I would be surprised if it wasn't Ubuntu
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[00:15:41] <L84Supper> what would be the first choice for a non official distro for Linuxcnc? Gentoo or?
[00:16:49] <andypugh> I have no opinion
[00:17:33] <L84Supper> that's what we ended up building
[00:18:01] <L84Supper> just didn't want to deal with gnome3
[00:19:49] <cpresser> L84Supper: just install another window manager
[00:19:57] <cpresser> thats what apt is for :)
[00:21:24] <L84Supper> how do the devs get accurate info from the Ubuntu devs, whenever we ask they just about ban us
[00:21:40] <andypugh> I doubt that they do.
[00:21:47] <L84Supper> or we get the "why do you need that?"
[00:23:23] <L84Supper> andypugh, btw all that searching for steam recovery equipment and then they decide on the worst solution next to boxing the steam and carrying it away by wagon train
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[00:25:39] <andypugh> Sadly I am not surprised.
[00:25:53] <L84Supper> I have to check out that steam turbine co's factory next trip to China
[00:26:28] <andypugh> Have you any idea why they want to throw money away? Was it fear about reliability?
[00:27:32] <L84Supper> partially, and also someone to maintain it, they currently just let it go up into the air
[00:28:30] <L84Supper> thee must have been some EPA change since they were actually more concerned about filtering the <1% ethanol in the steam
[00:28:36] <L84Supper> thee/there
[00:30:57] <andypugh> So, they consider themselves a concret product plant whereas they ought to consider themselves a low-efficiency gas-powered power station with a sideline in concrete and gin.
[00:31:10] <L84Supper> :)
[00:32:03] <djdelorie> or an extremely low-efficiency still...
[00:32:09] <L84Supper> fiber cement products and backerboard
[00:32:38] <andypugh> djdelorie: That was the gin part
[00:33:40] <andypugh> Time to sleep. Hoping that I haven't actually bricked a full set of Mesa cards.
[00:33:49] <L84Supper> ouch
[00:33:52] <Tom_itx> oops
[00:34:04] <djdelorie> bricking is better than toasting
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[00:35:03] <andypugh> On the plus side, I don't need any of them.
[00:35:13] <jdh> and they were free?
[00:35:39] <andypugh> That too.
[00:35:59] <L84Supper> at least the next set will be fine, what are the odds of bricking two sets in a row?
[00:36:14] <andypugh> (for values of "free" that include "spending lots of free time on them"
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[01:02:40] <JT-Shop> eicarG thgindooG yaS
[01:03:34] <ReadError> Loetmichel, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Jul%2024%2C%208%2055%2012%20PM.jpg
[01:11:48] <r00t4rd3d> what is 2.7165 on a tape measure?
[01:11:56] <r00t4rd3d> 5/8?
[01:12:28] <Tom_itx> no
[01:12:41] <r00t4rd3d> 2 5/8 i meant
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[01:13:11] <Jymmm> 5/8 == 0.625
[01:13:42] <r00t4rd3d> i need to buy some digital calipers
[01:13:49] <Jymmm> 0.71875 == 23/32
[01:14:00] <Jymmm> .6875 11/16
[01:14:12] <Tom_itx> it's not metric either
[01:14:35] <Jymmm> I have to make a new card to include metric
[01:15:04] * Tom_itx looks over his shoulder at the chart
[01:15:14] <Jymmm> This one only does 64th's of an inch
[01:15:53] <Jymmm> next one will do 256
[01:16:01] <Jymmm> I hope
[01:16:22] <Tom_itx> nobody uses those
[01:16:44] <Jymmm> Maybe not, but my card does =)
[01:18:32] <Tom_itx> add cubits and span as well
[01:18:46] <Jymmm> It's what I needed to use to get all the fractions calculated out
[01:19:12] <Jymmm> if you saw the spreadsheet you would understand
[01:19:52] <Tom_itx> nice thing, my cad cam takes whatever i give it
[01:19:54] <Tom_itx> fractions etc
[01:19:59] <Tom_itx> kinda nice really
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[01:20:32] <Tom_itx> specially when my brain is in melt
[01:20:58] <Jymmm> this was when you needed to compare things, like when buying and on one site it's decial, and on another it's fractions, and on a third metric.
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[04:16:21] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a7_1343180716
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[04:39:28] <the_wench> tjb1: archivist said you wanted an imperial sized rack last night http://www.hpcgears.com/products/racks.htm
[04:40:13] <tjb1> Thanks
[04:41:40] <tjb1> Is the L a british pound?
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[11:51:22] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/j0du4.jpg
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[12:10:36] <anonimas1> how much does anyone know about rivets?
[12:11:33] <archivist> I know enough to do hidden rivets :)
[12:12:17] <anonimas1> hehe, how good are they stengthwise?
[12:12:33] <anonimas1> ie, bolting/riveting what's to perfer if i am to mount one thing to a aluminium profile
[12:12:42] <archivist> they hold up bridges
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[12:13:10] <Jymmm> they do NOT prevent plumbers butt
[12:13:19] <anonimas1> well, theoretically it's better to drill a hole for a rivet then put a self tapping screw.
[12:13:53] <archivist> depends on the application, insufficient data for meaningful answer
[12:13:55] <Jymmm> anonimas1: can you elaborate on what you want to do?
[12:14:22] <anonimas1> i want to stick a towing point onto a aluminium profile.
[12:14:37] <anonimas1> without increasing the risk of stress cracks forming at the mounting points.
[12:15:01] <archivist> car towing point?
[12:15:18] <anonimas1> similiar
[12:15:46] <Jymmm> anonimas1: how about less elusive
[12:16:02] <archivist> do the maths for strength, de-rate for vibration and life
[12:16:05] <anonimas1> a mounting bracket for some equipment
[12:16:28] <archivist> old rule of thumb, 5 times
[12:16:49] <Jymmm> Even LESSER elusive, we dont care if this your sex toy thingy
[12:16:54] <anonimas1> what i really wanted to know, does that work in practice..
[12:17:24] <archivist> anything works in practice if well made and strong enough
[12:17:24] <Jymmm> it holds planes up in the sky
[12:17:25] <anonimas1> Jymmm: a parachute mount..
[12:17:35] <anonimas1> or something
[12:17:43] <gene77> JTshop: I just edited face.py to add the full path to my nc_files directory. It works now to write a file.
[12:17:51] <Jymmm> anonimas1: in plane or on a camera or a person?
[12:17:56] <anonimas1> a bus
[12:18:06] <Jymmm> is the bus in the air?
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[12:18:27] <anonimas1> yes
[12:18:34] <anonimas1> or a boat.
[12:18:38] <anonimas1> or another airplane
[12:18:53] <Jymmm> free falling?!
[12:19:11] <anonimas1> yes..
[12:19:14] <Jymmm> If you can distribute the load as much as possible, sure
[12:19:44] <Jymmm> they even have air rivet guns
[12:21:22] <Jymmm> you might have to make a reinforced bracket
[12:21:41] <Jymmm> that will distribute the load
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[12:24:59] <anonimas1> yep, that's what im contemplating.
[12:25:07] <Tom_itx> Ti
[12:25:32] <Jymmm> anonimas1: google images "parachute mount"
[12:25:44] <anonimas1> Jymmm: it's not really a parachute mount but it's a structural thing
[12:25:56] <Jymmm> maybe you dont have to as much as we think
[12:26:08] <anonimas1> problem is not really the load as much as the mounting points and the limited space for mounting them
[12:26:24] <anonimas1> and threads into a al profile of 2mm is asking for problems with stress concentration
[12:26:42] <Jymmm> anonimas1: google images "parachute mount" and yooull see what i mean
[12:27:16] <archivist> us a nut on the other side dont thread thin ally
[12:27:38] <anonimas1> it's a closed profile
[12:28:08] <Tom_itx> how are you gonna buck a rivet if it's a closed profile?
[12:28:25] <Jymmm> blind rivet
[12:28:28] <anonimas1> blind rivet.
[12:28:33] <Jymmm> anonimas1: http://forum.streetlegaltv.com/photos/data/580/IMG_1221.JPG
[12:29:26] <anonimas1> looks alot like stainless.
[12:29:57] <Jymmm> but look at how smal it is to slow a car down, I'd have used 2" tubing
[12:30:02] <Jymmm> square
[12:31:12] <Jymmm> http://www.wolferacecraft.com/detail.aspx?ID=257
[12:32:21] <anonimas1> wow, that's scary.
[12:32:21] <Jymmm> anonimas1: http://www.wolferacecraft.com/install/must/fxpara.aspx
[12:33:15] <anonimas1> i would never ever use that.
[12:33:35] <Jymmm> i think your right on the SS though
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[12:35:55] <Jymmm> tell me thats not just a 4 point tack weld? http://www.wolferacecraft.com/images/Install%20Pics/s197para/s197paralg11.jpg
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[12:36:48] <anonimas1> looks like a scrwe
[12:36:50] <anonimas1> screw
[12:37:04] <Jymmm> anonimas1: I guess the long tube behind the bumper cover absorbs most of the shock
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[12:37:40] <Jymmm> anonimas1: no, I mean the middle 3" receiver tube welded to the long 4ft tube
[12:43:04] * anonimas1 nods
[12:43:55] <Jymmm> http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=parachute+mount
[12:46:20] <Jymmm> anonimas1: http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/instructions/cee-3451.pdf
[12:46:59] <Jymmm> mild steel
[12:48:36] <anonimas1> yep
[12:48:42] <anonimas1> tho this has to be stainless or aluminium
[12:48:44] <anonimas1> bbl
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[13:57:11] <Jymmm> Bow saw blade.... does the "set" of the teeth increase the kerf?
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[14:09:13] <gene77> yes
[14:09:21] <Jymmm> ty
[14:09:54] <gene77> In fact, I have a cheap one that is only "set' on one side, saws a nice curve. :(
[14:10:09] <Jymmm> lol
[14:10:28] <gene77> That wasn't my first impression...
[14:10:43] <Jymmm> i bet
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[14:12:05] <gene77> In fact, I've looked off & on for a good blade, without much luck, so I bought an electric chain saw. It has collected a few hundred feet of cherry so far.
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[14:13:27] <gene77> Its been sawed up, drying in the middle shed for about 20 months now.
[14:14:11] <Jymmm> I fund some if you are interested
[14:14:15] <Jymmm> found
[14:14:16] <gene77> Where is JT this morning?
[14:14:40] <Jymmm> he had to take a nap becasue he was too tired from his nap
[14:15:00] <gene77> I think not, thats too darned much like work, one of them 4 letter words :)
[14:15:27] <gene77> A likely story, he was up late last night though.
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[14:16:17] <uw> damnit why cant they push this above 8.6
[14:16:23] <Jymmm> gene77: http://extranet.snaeurope.com/ProdBlock.aspx?sectionID=349&CatalogueID=5
[14:16:24] <uw> crapp
[14:16:45] <Jymmm> gene77: 21 seasoned and green, 23 green
[14:17:27] <gene77> thats a password blocked site
[14:17:30] <Jymmm> gene77: Also, the 21" from Ace Hardware is made in denmark, not china
[14:17:39] <Jymmm> gene77: no it's not
[14:17:49] <gene77> it is for me!
[14:18:55] <Jymmm> http://extranet.snaeurope.com/Catalogue.aspx
[14:18:59] <Jymmm> try that
[14:19:10] <Jymmm> stupid ajax crap
[14:19:40] <gene77> redir to login.aspx
[14:20:05] <Jymmm> http://www.bahco.com/index.html
[14:20:27] <Jymmm> products > hand saws > bow saw blade
[14:20:53] <gene77> You would think these folks, if thet want the business, would put thast shit in the card checkout path. Dumb fscks.
[14:21:17] <gene77> But don't worry about it, I'm not..
[14:22:01] <Jymmm> heh
[14:24:12] <gene77> right now I'm carving off the top of the bearing block for the ball screw, so the cross-slide can withdrwa across the top of it, like the OEM version but farther.
[14:24:51] <gene77> s/b withdraw
[14:25:31] <gene77> And fighting with the house machine, its haveing trouble booting.
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[14:49:44] * JT-Shop needs to write a nasty gram to my partner about his addition to the boy scouts
[14:50:08] <Jymmm> megans law?
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[14:50:28] <Jymmm> Priests Anonymous?
[14:50:29] <frallzor> toodles
[14:50:45] <JT-Shop> no, nothing like that
[14:50:53] <frallzor> eyyyy JT-Shop
[14:51:02] <Jymmm> Too many merit badges?
[14:51:06] <frallzor> help!
[14:51:10] <JT-Shop> yea that
[14:51:28] <Jymmm> heh
[14:51:51] <frallzor> how the *bleep* do I machine regular 2D with HMSworks and set stepdown?
[14:52:13] <frallzor> it wont budge from anything else than all in 1 round
[14:52:22] <frallzor> 1 pass no matter what in 2D
[14:52:43] <JT-Shop> sorry, I don't have it installed anymore SW2013 uninstalled it
[14:53:32] <frallzor> shame on you
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[14:56:58] <frallzor> I hate it!
[14:58:22] <JT-Shop> I hate it when your business partner takes off for 2 weeks and doesn't even mention it
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[15:00:42] <archivist> oops....who has 51% :)
[15:00:52] <JT-Shop> 50/50
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[15:02:09] <syyl> anyone here that has machined toolox?
[15:02:12] <syyl> anonimas1 maybe?
[15:03:37] <archivist> is that just a tradename
[15:03:54] <syyl> yeah, like hardox and weldox
[15:03:59] <archivist> I have cut gears in pretreated steel
[15:04:30] <syyl> will only carbide tooling work?
[15:04:58] <archivist> I was using hss but resharpening often
[15:05:08] <syyl> ah ok
[15:05:14] <syyl> did you do threading too?
[15:05:29] <JT-Shop> can someone goto this link and see if you see the for sale and free section http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=showcat&catid=54
[15:05:57] <archivist> my main problem was the thin section of the tool, the tip was snapping off
[15:06:15] <Jymmm> All I see is a viagra spam
[15:06:34] <JT-Shop> really
[15:06:41] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Just kidding =) BigJohn test post.
[15:06:47] <JT-Shop> ok
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[15:08:31] <archivist> syyl, I was cutting a 9 tooth pinion with spring grooves 3mm od about 3 mm height .5 mm journals
[15:08:59] <syyl> ah, a small part :D
[15:09:42] <syyl> i will try that pretreadted steel, maybe its good for my needs
[15:10:09] <syyl> i want to bypass the problems that occur with heat threating in the homeshop...
[15:10:12] <syyl> like warping
[15:10:18] <archivist> yup I make a blank, cut on the gear cutter, then back on the lathe under a microscope to turn
[15:10:45] <syyl> cool :o
[15:10:51] <archivist> .2 mod iirc
[15:11:50] <archivist> hss for the gear cutter too, dont remember sharpening that over the 50 off I made
[15:12:33] <syyl> ok, that sounds promising
[15:12:53] <archivist> iirc the steel was rockwell 45
[15:12:56] <syyl> i had pictures of tons of dull carbide endmills in my mind :D
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[15:47:40] <DJ9DJ> namd
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[16:50:32] <uw> anybody know where to get cheap ballscrews?
[16:50:48] <uw> or, the cheapest that are of decent quality?
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[17:01:28] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
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[17:05:32] <L84Supper> uw: I was looking for the same thing at Design Week, low cost just good enough ball screws for low duty consumer applications
[17:06:01] <L84Supper> there seem to be a void in that manufacturing space
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[17:07:32] <uw> L84Supper, hey i was looking on ebay, but i dont really trust those chinese ones to be any good
[17:08:03] <jdh> how good do you need them to be? How cheap?
[17:08:16] <uw> i might just buy them though to give them a try
[17:08:48] <jdh> I paid $200 for 3 ballscrews/nuts for my mill, with machined ends, including shipping.
[17:08:57] <uw> jdh, i was looking the the C3 range
[17:09:01] <L84Supper> the problems might be soft steel or lack of QC
[17:09:02] <uw> hey thats not bad really
[17:09:34] <uw> jdh, do you have a recommendation for where to get them? or, where did you get yours?
[17:09:58] <L84Supper> other than they have the same machine tools in China s they do anywhere else
[17:10:34] <uw> L84Supper, well the whole QC thing is what i mean by "trust"
[17:10:47] <jdh> they are just rolled screws. Got them from linearmotionbearigns2008 or wtf his name is
[17:11:41] <uw> how long were they?
[17:11:51] <jdh> G0704 sized.
[17:12:11] <jdh> what about china?
[17:12:15] <jdh> <urk>
[17:13:06] <uw> i bought a spindle for my bigger mill from some china seller and the thing was garbage
[17:14:08] <uw> but i guess it was precision as you can get, if all you have is an 80grit bench grinder
[17:14:10] <L84Supper> yeah, that's why it's best not to pay up front
[17:15:12] <jdh> I have no complaints for mine. For $200 shipped, I'm more than happy.
[17:16:04] <L84Supper> http://www.ebay.com/sch/linearmotionbearings2008/m.html
[17:16:28] <uw> jdh, what mill did you end up putting it on?
[17:16:35] <uw> sorry to bombard you with questions...
[17:16:42] <jdh> a G0704
[17:18:24] <uw> ah ok. i saw that above but thought that was a legenth or something that i wasnt familiar with
[17:24:50] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: 3 ballscruws no bit 62USD
[17:25:25] <uw> it would be cool to just find a kit...
[17:29:14] <jthornton> it would be cool to find one person that understood how Glade3 and Python work together...
[17:29:52] <Tom_shop> ha
[17:29:56] <Tom_shop> i bet
[17:30:12] <Tom_shop> jthornton you still strugglin with it?
[17:30:38] <jthornton> yea, their IRC channel has 3 people and I think 4 are bots
[17:31:12] <Tom_shop> python or glade?
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[17:31:19] <jthornton> glade3
[17:31:43] <jthornton> can't find a forum
[17:31:52] <Tom_shop> what about asking in python?
[17:31:57] <Tom_shop> it's big
[17:31:57] <jthornton> mailing list is DOA
[17:32:14] <jthornton> is python on freenode?
[17:32:22] <Tom_shop> i just joined it
[17:32:40] <Tom_shop> 1042 in there
[17:32:46] <jthornton> holy crap 662
[17:33:15] <jthornton> oh it redirected me to #python-unregistered
[17:33:39] <Tom_shop> is your nick unregistered?
[17:33:48] <Tom_shop> if so, register it then join it
[17:33:49] <jthornton> damifiknow
[17:33:53] <Tom_shop> some channels do that
[17:33:57] <jthornton> don't know how
[17:34:11] <Tom_shop> which one do you log in with a password?
[17:34:14] <Tom_shop> your main nick
[17:34:21] <Tom_shop> then associate the others to it
[17:34:34] <jthornton> I'll have to see
[17:34:37] <Tom_shop> all mine point back to Tom_L
[17:35:01] <Tom_shop> hold on i'll tell you how
[17:35:09] <Tom_shop> or someone here will beat me to it
[17:35:23] <jthornton> I found the freenode instructions
[17:35:50] <Tom_shop> basically you join on the new nick and associate to the main one using your password
[17:35:59] <Tom_shop> oh, 'group'
[17:36:01] <Tom_shop> i think
[17:36:05] <Tom_shop> with nickserv
[17:36:32] <IchGuckLive> why we do need glade3 and python whats the goal
[17:36:55] <Tom_shop> Syntax: GROUP
[17:37:00] <Tom_shop>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY OldNick SecretPassword
[17:37:26] <Tom_shop> netsplit got me
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[17:37:47] <jthornton> glade3 is a rapid application development tool
[17:38:15] <Tom_itx> there's 1044 in there, someone should know about glade3
[17:38:17] <Tom_itx> i would think
[17:38:58] <jthornton> still 1044 after I joined
[17:39:06] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: http://www.micahcarrick.com/gtk-glade-tutorial-part-1.html
[17:39:29] <IchGuckLive> there is a python moduule join base
[17:39:36] <jthornton> thanks, saw that one... seems to be the only one besides mine
[17:39:46] <archivist> hardly rapid if its hard to use :)
[17:40:44] <jthornton> getting the interface designed is simple making the connections is hard
[17:45:52] <IchGuckLive> Question if i want to make a Rotary with a worm what woudt be the best ratio on 400steps/rev Stepper
[17:46:48] <IchGuckLive> 1/100 woudt give me 40000 resolution
[17:47:40] <archivist> most seem to be 90-1
[17:48:19] <archivist> relates to degrees for the manual types
[17:48:42] <archivist> higher ratio is better for accuracy
[17:48:45] <IchGuckLive> agree this gives a nice scale
[17:49:13] <IchGuckLive> and a 0.01 Degree resolution
[17:49:33] <archivist> I have seen some bad worm rotary devices, nearly .7 degrees error
[17:50:21] <IchGuckLive> il take the precise worm from the main Mashinebuild dealerdealer
[17:51:55] <archivist> the worm to wheel distance effects accuracy
[17:52:35] <archivist> engine porn http://vimeo.com/16117810
[17:56:06] <IchGuckLive> where is the best place to buy a linuxcnc controlable spindle
[17:56:22] <IchGuckLive> Homedepo O.O
[17:56:33] <IchGuckLive> Joke !
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[17:57:57] <IchGuckLive> question wars Real my caeĆ¼pender wars in trouble this week with a giand door projekt and he asked for a 5-Axis at 2.5meter xy
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[18:01:10] <IchGuckLive> so spindle 24krpm collet er25 better er32 at 2,2kw
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[18:01:42] <IchGuckLive> someone a idee
[18:06:26] <DJ9DJ> someone an idea?
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[18:16:56] <taiden> afternoon gents
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[18:17:52] <IchGuckLive> someone has experience with a water cool spindle how many water do i need for a 8hr session
[18:18:19] <taiden> just hook it up to the garden hose :D
[18:18:41] <IchGuckLive> and head up the tomatos
[18:18:49] <taiden> yeah!
[18:19:22] <IchGuckLive> we have very cold winters here so it maight frees the tomatos
[18:19:29] <taiden> i have a subroutine file and within that file i want to have a conditional statement that either exits the subroutine or allows it to run
[18:19:57] <IchGuckLive> by im off
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[18:20:04] <taiden> so that in my parent code i dont have to have a million conditional statements
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[18:24:54] <taiden> o<slot> return doesn't seem to work in this case
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[18:37:26] <taiden> alright i got it to work
[18:37:43] <taiden> now if i call o<slot> from mdi with the conditional checks out and it performs as expected
[18:37:52] <taiden> using o<slot> return within the the o<slot> file
[18:38:23] <taiden> but now when I try to call that from another program, it gives me a "no percent or end program line" error if o<slot> tries to use o<slot> return
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[18:55:51] <jthornton> taiden, did you read the short paragraph in the manual on calling files?
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[19:50:41] <Connor> jdh: You there?
[19:52:59] <jdh> sadly, I am.
[19:53:12] <Connor> Got those plugs and the OPV in today.
[19:53:16] <jdh> that was speedy
[19:53:19] <Connor> Installed on the regulator.
[19:53:34] <Connor> I found some HP plugs too that I remember having..
[19:53:45] <jdh> cool, better than a leaky hose.
[19:53:51] <Connor> so, If I wanted to remove the gauge from the HP side I can.
[19:54:07] <Connor> Still haven't made it to the dive shop yet though..
[19:54:38] <jdh> I probably have 15-20 LP plugs. Finding an HP one is always a challenge.
[19:55:09] <jdh> you can get the fitting online
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[19:55:18] <Connor> yea. I figured I would take a look at the dive shop too.. been a long time since I've been in it.
[19:58:07] <jdh> they may or may not have somethign appropriate. The cheap tire-filler things are sometimes, but not always 1/4 NPT
[19:58:07] <jdh> http://www.piranhadivemfg.com/item/NPT-Fitting-14M-Thread--MA-04-1108
[19:58:07] <Connor> looking for the valve now..
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[20:01:40] <Connor> wtf.. all the 3 port's are 1/8" not 1/4" :(
[20:01:51] <jdh> on what?
[20:01:57] <Connor> valves..
[20:02:22] <jdh> doesnt' matter, but shoudl be easy enough to find 1/4
[20:02:44] <jdh> I'd get npt->push-on fittings anyway
[20:03:06] <Connor> that's fine.. but still need a valve with 1/4" not 1/8"
[20:03:20] <jdh> why
[20:03:35] <Connor> cause I'm using 1/4" ? :)
[20:04:01] <jdh> tubing? hose? hard pipe?
[20:04:07] <Connor> hose.
[20:04:25] <Connor> standard air hose for airtools .
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[20:07:35] <andypugh> Connor: Are you sure they aren't just a different thread standard? 1/4" NPT is not a lot like 1/4" BSP
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[20:08:12] <Connor> andypugh: No They're clearly say NPT
[20:08:26] <jdh> example?
[20:08:58] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Way-2-Position-Solenoid-Air-Valve-1-4-NPT-12V-DC-/250519020196?pt=Pneumatic_Hydraulic_Valves_Parts&hash=%2Fsch%2FBusiness-Industrial-%2F12576%2Fi.html%3F_nkw%3Dpneumatic%2520valve%2520solenoid%252012v%26_pgn%3D2%26_skc%3D50%26rt%3Dnc%26itemhash%3Ditem3a5418e2a4&_uhb=1#ht_2777wt_1083
[20:09:14] * jdh smacks connor
[20:10:04] <Connor> that one looks good.. but says Operating pressure 22-116 PSI, Max PSI 174
[20:10:14] <Connor> I'll be in the 120-140PSI range..
[20:10:33] <jdh> I'd guess 145 out of the box
[20:11:00] <Connor> I plan on putting a normal regulator in series so i can dial it down..
[20:12:07] <Connor> So, I'm guessing with they say operating PSI.. if you exceed that amount.. it won't trip.. but the housing is rated for much higher..
[20:12:43] <jdh> should be balanced
[20:13:08] <Connor> what do you mean ?
[20:13:30] <jdh> it should open regardless of pressure. The valve is balanced on both sides.
[20:14:51] <jdh> I just got my 5th a2z 12% off email
[20:15:15] <jdh> you are going with a 2-way valve?
[20:16:04] <Connor> going with 3 port valve..
[20:17:07] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/110765257837
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[20:18:11] <andypugh> How is it possible to make that for that price?
[20:19:09] <jdh> currency held arificially low, low labor costs, cheap materials?
[20:19:52] <andypugh> Talking of eBay, my Lemo connectors came in today. I appear to have somehow ordered a size 0B plug with 5 pins and a size 1B socket with 4 pins. How annoying.
[20:20:15] <jdh> 0b is tiny?
[20:20:34] <andypugh> Not as small as 00
[20:20:52] <andypugh> 0B is merely "compact"
[20:21:18] <jdh> when you are done, you need a new project for the 'wrong' connector.
[20:21:31] <andypugh> The widest part is 9.5mm dia
[20:22:22] <Connor> That has 5 ports...
[20:22:32] <jdh> plug some
[20:22:35] <Connor> andypugh: shipping is 12.00 too.
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[20:23:57] <jdh> you are going to power-retract the cylinder also?
[20:24:12] <Connor> I have 3 ideas on that.
[20:24:18] <jdh> uh oh
[20:24:33] <jdh> that's 2 too many, or 1 short.
[20:24:43] <Connor> Idea #1: Use a valve like this. But that means it's always under pressure..
[20:25:18] <Connor> Idea #2: Use 2 separate valves. Could be 2 of these with the B side plugged..
[20:25:43] <Connor> Idea #3: Put low pressure in the retract stage and leave it pressurized all the time.
[20:26:12] <jdh> it needs to vent also.
[20:26:30] <Connor> Which one?
[20:26:45] <Connor> Idea #3 ?
[20:27:02] <jdh> and 2.
[20:27:12] <Connor> No. Just put a 10-20 PSI in it.. Turns it into a air spring
[20:27:24] <Connor> idea 2, if I use 2 valves, they'll have vents.
[20:27:41] <jdh> maybe.
[20:28:22] <Connor> I played with Idea 3 already.. I put some air in the retract side.. just a little.. then hit the extend side and it worked fine..
[20:28:29] <Connor> now, how much force I lost? I dunno.
[20:28:48] <Connor> Most likely, I'll go with Idea 2
[20:29:25] <Connor> thoughts ?
[20:29:27] <jdh> where does the air in the cylinder/line go, after you release the solenoid and it closes.
[20:30:01] <Connor> which method ?
[20:30:29] <jdh> any of them.
[20:30:56] <jdh> will the valve self-vent when you let it go off.
[20:31:02] <Connor> okay, on retract, 1 of the stages has a vent, the other two have ports.. one of which has a "vent filter"
[20:31:26] <Connor> when you release the valve they have a vent.
[20:31:26] <jdh> aren't those just on the other side of the piston(s)?
[20:31:44] <Connor> yes.
[20:32:20] <jdh> the air in the side you just pressurized is still pressurized. Where is it going to vent?
[20:33:33] <jdh> or does that 3 way valve vent out the other port.
[20:33:50] <jdh> I think I have confused myself and should go home.
[20:34:34] <Connor> The valve has 2 states. 1 state feeds the outlet with air from the inlet. the other state shunts the air from the outlet to the vent port.
[20:35:03] <Connor> So, the valve has a vent.
[20:36:42] <Connor> in the case of the one you linked.. it's designed to hookup to one of those cylinders I have.. and will keep one side, or the other pressurized. (Port A, Port B) vents out R and S.. and P is the Supply I belive.
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[20:48:16] <Connor> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251029674736#ht_2517wt_963
[20:48:39] <Connor> OKAY. They say 12VDC but the one pictured is clearly 220 V
[20:55:49] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4V220-08-DC-12V-Solenoid-Air-Valve-5port-2position-/260991970764?#ht_1360wt_963
[20:56:17] <Connor> That might be the ticket... I think each solenoid operates it's own side..
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[21:03:11] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:16:21] <andypugh> A 5-port 1-position would be fine.
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[21:17:04] <andypugh> Well, 2 position, single coil.
[21:17:36] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/110765257837
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[21:24:49] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/260991970764#ht_1360wt_963
[21:24:52] <uw> anybody ever used a DIY rhino liner or line-x type material?
[21:25:10] <Connor> That one looks good too. I can operate each side independently
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[21:25:42] <andypugh> Connor: I don't think you need to, though. Or particularly want to. And the price difference is considerable.
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[21:26:58] <uw> is it me or is that a crazy way to list operating pressure
[21:27:02] <Connor> Funny thing is.. Kinda putting the cart before the horse.. I still need to design the PDB holding plates and machine them out.
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[21:27:51] <jdh> ok, I'm better now.
[21:28:17] <Connor> http://convert-to.com/195/pressure-units.html
[21:28:19] <Connor> jdh: ?
[21:28:26] <jdh> less confused :)
[21:28:33] <Connor> Ahh.
[21:28:56] <Connor> Hope my explanation helped..
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[21:29:14] <jdh> I was thinking of a venting problem on a machine... I walked by on the way out. The solenoid fed a regulator. The solenoid valve vented fine, the reg didn't
[21:29:17] <Connor> now, to just figure out, if they list operating pressure at 116PSI, what happens if I run it at 130-145
[21:30:06] <uw> it will become a mini grenade?
[21:30:17] <Connor> No. It's rated for 178PSI
[21:30:28] <andypugh> There are two sorts of regulator, relieveing and non-relieving.
[21:30:42] <gene77> probably not, but it may well hang
[21:30:59] <uw> yea, turns out the converter is bogus...
[21:31:12] <Connor> No. worked just fine.
[21:31:17] <uw> not here
[21:31:21] <uw> says 113.79
[21:31:26] <Connor> put 8 in
[21:31:32] <jdh> * 113.78675
[21:31:42] <uw> same here jdh
[21:31:45] <jdh> units(1)
[21:31:47] <Connor> yea. that's what I get.
[21:31:57] <Connor> they said about 116psi.
[21:32:41] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/250519020196#ht_2777wt_1083
[21:32:50] <Connor> has better spec sheet for those valves
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[21:36:17] <archivist> andypugh, it's going to take ages to get around that model site!
[21:38:52] <andypugh> (For the avoidance of doubt, this refers to scale modelling)
[21:39:37] <archivist> machine shop http://www.modvid.com.au/html/body_anders_machine_shop.html
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[21:43:34] <JT-Shop> hmmm using cutter diameter comp my ball is coming out 0.0312" too big... which is the diameter of the tip
[21:43:43] <delkin> Hi everyone. When I run a 'G01' the speed of the spindle is defined with 'F'. What about the 'G00'?
[21:44:01] <jdh> delkin: whatever your max speed is
[21:44:06] <andypugh> archivist: The guys a lunatic!
[21:44:19] <delkin> jdh, how do I define the max speed?
[21:44:32] <andypugh> delkin: The _spindle_ is always defined by S
[21:45:16] <JT-Shop> I wonder if the lathe tool table really wants the nose radius not the effective diameter
[21:45:58] <andypugh> It ought to be able to work it out by setting a very big radius and running a G41
[21:46:00] <JT-Shop> sure is purdy though
[21:46:06] <andypugh> (look at the preview)
[21:46:09] <archivist> andypugh, I get bored after making a few tools
[21:46:29] <delkin> andypugh: But before I call the 'S' command with the max speed, I should call the 'G96', right?
[21:46:29] <JT-Shop> hows that andypugh?
[21:46:50] <Connor> one that can do 116 should be good.. I'll have it at around 100 to 110.. Looks like I can get 2000lbs from 100
[21:47:10] <delkin> andypugh: otherwise will be interpreted as rev/min
[21:47:17] <delkin> am I right?
[21:47:27] <JT-Shop> delkin: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#_g96_g97_spindle_control_mode_a_id_sec_g96_g97_spindle_a
[21:47:30] <andypugh> delkin: I think both you and us are very confused
[21:47:42] <delkin> :)
[21:48:08] <JT-Shop> delkin: S only applies to RPM mode
[21:48:20] <JT-Shop> I think
[21:48:40] <andypugh> No, it sets surface speed too.
[21:48:53] <JT-Shop> only on the same line?
[21:49:01] <Connor> http://www.modvid.com.au/html/body_anders_bike_shop_details.html
[21:49:04] <Connor> Is that for real ?
[21:49:07] <JT-Shop> It is an error if:
[21:49:07] <JT-Shop> S is not specified with G96
[21:49:08] <andypugh> G0 and G1 have no effect on spindle speed though.
[21:49:17] <Connor> I do model trains.. I have to say.. holy cow..
[21:49:26] <andypugh> Connor: Seems to be
[21:50:34] <Connor> Something about it just doesn't look right..
[21:50:54] <andypugh> JT-Shop: It is, you specify surface speed with S, and max RPM with D.
[21:52:52] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop did you try my code?
[21:53:32] <Tom_itx> the tool path is calculated from the nose radius center and offset the tool radius amount
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[21:53:44] <JT-Shop> andypugh: yes
[21:54:03] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: no, it had an error with using a Y offset
[21:54:31] <JT-Shop> I put the tool radius in the tool table and the part is closer to proper size still a tad big...
[21:54:37] <Tom_itx> using G96 the S word isn't spindle speed rather surface speed and D is the rpm
[21:54:53] <Tom_itx> what sort of error?
[21:54:56] <Tom_itx> y offset?
[21:55:12] <Tom_itx> mmm there should be no y in that
[21:55:12] <JT-Shop> trying to use a y offset in the G18 plane
[21:55:35] <JT-Shop> in G18 only I and K are valid offset words
[21:55:43] <Tom_itx> yes i fixed that one
[21:55:50] <Tom_itx> err no
[21:55:56] <Tom_itx> that was a different K
[21:56:03] <Tom_itx> that was supposed to be J instead
[21:56:07] <Tom_itx> on an arc move
[21:57:28] <delkin> JT-Shop: G20\n G96 D2500 S250\n implies 2500 rev/min and 250 feet/min. G00 is going to use 250 as speed value, right?
[21:57:55] <Tom_itx> i believe so if i read it right
[21:58:01] <Tom_itx> in surface feet
[21:58:17] <Tom_itx> which is rather fast
[21:58:51] <andypugh> hang on, I have my lathe head on
[21:59:09] <JT-Shop> delkin: G96 has nothing to do with your rapid speed
[21:59:22] <Tom_itx> i wish someone would post a working lathe file (gcode) i'd work on my template some more
[21:59:22] <andypugh> I am not sure that G96 has any meaning at all in a mill config.
[21:59:29] <JT-Shop> the D2500 means max speed of the spindle
[21:59:32] <Tom_itx> andy it doesn't
[21:59:41] <JT-Shop> delkin: did you read the link?
[21:59:47] <Tom_itx> it's about constant feed with the spindle rpm vs work diameter
[22:00:02] <Tom_itx> and you'd better have an upper limit set on your spindle too
[22:00:10] <delkin> hmm.. :\
[22:00:18] <Tom_itx> with an automatic bar feed you can rip it off the floor if you don't
[22:00:23] <delkin> So, how do I configure the G00 speed?
[22:00:34] <Tom_itx> it's your max limits in your hal file
[22:00:56] <delkin> Isn't it defined in the gcode?
[22:01:01] <Tom_itx> no
[22:01:07] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: http://pastebin.com/MENUiQT5
[22:01:30] <JT-Shop> delkin: do you like to read tutorials?
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[22:01:36] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop i think the x z moves would have worked getting past the init code
[22:02:35] <delkin> JT-Shop: shoot
[22:02:46] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tutorial/index.html
[22:03:08] <JT-Shop> speaking of shoot
[22:03:38] * JT-Shop goes to the cannon club meeting
[22:03:43] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop what's the debug line for?
[22:06:03] <Tom_itx> that's alot of flippin gcodes at the top :)
[22:08:19] <andypugh> Tom_itx: All the lathe G-code I ever use: http://www.bodgesoc.org/lathe/
[22:09:21] <Tom_itx> the thing about the lathe is you have at least a couple feed modes to account for
[22:09:33] <Tom_itx> depending if you're using G96 or not
[22:09:51] <andypugh> I always work CSS and feed per rev. Nothing else makes mush sense
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[22:10:37] <Tom_itx> so your feed per rev would typically be something like .005" or so
[22:10:48] <Tom_itx> depending what you're doing of course
[22:11:06] <andypugh> It's nearly always 0.15mm or 0.03mm for parting
[22:11:28] <andypugh> I occasionally crank it up when I am getting bored.
[22:11:39] <Tom_itx> does linuxcnc provide an upper spindle limit for lathes?
[22:11:43] <Tom_itx> i assume it does
[22:12:06] <Tom_itx> beside the normal spindle speed max
[22:12:17] <andypugh> Not that I know of, but it will be inherent to the system. (PWMgen scale, VFD settings, etc)
[22:12:21] <Tom_itx> you can set an upper spindle speed per job
[22:12:43] <andypugh> Well, the D in g96 does that
[22:12:44] <Tom_itx> it would make sense to have one with varying diameter materials
[22:12:47] <Tom_itx> ok
[22:12:56] <Jymmm> Heh, I got anther pencil diamond sharpener today for only $7 =)
[22:12:59] <Tom_itx> so it becomes the upper limit
[22:13:44] <Tom_itx> 108F today
[22:13:54] <Tom_itx> new record for today here
[22:14:17] <andypugh> Unpleasantly warm and humid here today. (Yes, I know last week I was wingeing about rain)
[22:15:07] <Jymmm> Buck Knives OEM's it too for $14 with a lifetime warranty on it. http://www.smithsproducts.com/products/product.asp?id=25&cid=4
[22:15:10] <Tom_itx> i recall a time our river thru town and surrounding dike was at overflowing point
[22:15:17] <Tom_itx> now you can walk across a dry riverbed
[22:15:34] <Tom_itx> nearly
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[22:15:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: got a rope?
[22:15:51] <Tom_itx> i got 2 ropes
[22:16:01] <Tom_itx> 6k test
[22:16:04] <Jymmm> long enough to go all the way across?
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[22:16:10] <Tom_itx> no
[22:16:16] <Tom_itx> only 100 ft ea
[22:16:33] <Jymmm> wouldn't be a bad idea; one flash flood and ppl will be screwed
[22:16:37] <Tom_itx> enough to fall outta a tree
[22:16:47] <Tom_itx> naw that's why we have the canal
[22:17:02] <Jymmm> Famous last words
[22:17:34] <Tom_itx> arkansas river
[22:17:39] <Jymmm> The desert is REALLY bad about flash floods. I've known a few ppl to be killed by them
[22:17:44] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:19:08] <Jymmm> I too only have 100ft the size I'd use for that
[22:19:26] <Jymmm> but I do have a coule of locking biners and some webbing
[22:19:37] <Tom_itx> iirc it's 5/8 climbing rope
[22:19:41] <Jymmm> Not climbing rope, I am just too poor for that
[22:20:03] <Jymmm> Yeah, since I don't climb, I dont need $300 rope
[22:20:07] <Tom_itx> i got a few biners etc
[22:20:18] <Tom_itx> cheapass sling
[22:20:29] <Jymmm> webbing is my cheap ass sling =)
[22:20:43] <Tom_itx> basically the same as seatbelt material
[22:20:52] <Tom_itx> 2" or so wide
[22:21:07] <Jymmm> Uh, this is actually rated for climbing
[22:21:17] <Tom_itx> this probably was too
[22:21:24] <Tom_itx> but it's not fancy
[22:21:38] <Jymmm> something like 6000 Kn
[22:22:18] <Jymmm> I should get 5/8", but it be aweful big for my pack
[22:22:46] <Tom_itx> that thin stuff is just as strong but not for climbing, rather lifting stuff you bring along
[22:23:36] <Tom_itx> probably kevlar
[22:23:42] <Jymmm> I got it to a) drag someone out of the water, and b) decend from a 2nd story if SHTF
[22:24:10] <Tom_itx> you can survive a 2 story jump
[22:24:38] <Jymmm> Well, 3rd or 4th story as I used to work on the 4th floor
[22:25:31] <Jymmm> but I'd rather have an escape bag for that, but kevlar is $$$
[22:25:50] <Tom_itx> prolly why i have none
[22:26:00] <Jymmm> ditto
[22:26:01] <Tom_itx> don't really need it either
[22:26:07] <Jymmm> nope
[22:26:25] <Jymmm> that s why I have the 100ft of 3/8" =)
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[22:26:36] <Tom_itx> i've since quit climbing trees for the most part
[22:27:08] <Jymmm> Well, I figured in a pinch I can use the biners as pulleys
[22:27:27] <Jymmm> instead of ripping the crap out of the rope
[22:27:30] <Tom_itx> i got a figure 8 but never use it
[22:27:38] <Tom_itx> and a decender
[22:27:41] <Tom_itx> somewhere
[22:27:56] <Jymmm> If I found a cheap fig 8 I'd get it.
[22:28:03] <Jymmm> used, yard sale, etc
[22:28:24] <Jymmm> I found a neat knot for decending though
[22:28:36] <Jymmm> without a fig 8
[22:29:10] <DaViruz> the munter hitch?
[22:29:20] <Jymmm> DaViruz: Double munter hitch
[22:29:54] <Tom_itx> ok i should go mount this encoder plug to my control box
[22:30:04] <DaViruz> oh, never heard of
[22:30:05] <Jymmm> have fun
[22:30:10] <Jymmm> DaViruz: hang on
[22:30:11] <DaViruz> i see, it can't reverse
[22:31:22] <DaViruz> http://www.smarttravelinfo.com/the-munter-friction-hitch/
[22:31:38] <DaViruz> it seems the main purpose is to compensate for thinner rope?
[22:32:12] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pawzQsoqaqk
[22:32:35] <Jymmm> I think just for better control
[22:33:17] <andypugh> I am not overly-fond of the figure8, it basically makes rebelays part-way down impassable as you find a tangle of rope there
[22:33:35] <Tom_itx> what are those continuous loop webbing called.. like 1/2" or so wide?
[22:33:47] <Tom_itx> i got a bunch of those for tying off stuff
[22:33:58] <andypugh> Though we did once abseil using a manhole cover lifter to replace the bulb in a security light :-)
[22:33:58] <Tom_itx> different lengths
[22:34:00] <Jymmm> sewn webbing
[22:34:05] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:34:06] <DaViruz> they're called a sling here at least
[22:34:17] <andypugh> tap sling
[22:34:21] <andypugh> tape, even
[22:34:51] <andypugh> http://www.inglesport.com/shop/search/?keyword=sling&x=0&y=0
[22:37:17] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tij7wGHD6M&feature=related
[22:37:25] <andypugh> Ooh, these are nice: http://www.inglesport.com/shop/product/1646/Ice-Axes/DMM---Rebel-Axe-or-Hammer/
[22:38:06] <gmagno> erm... you guys know of any gcode parser in python?
[22:38:13] <DaViruz> especially when your neighbour gets on your nevers
[22:39:51] <andypugh> gmagno: What do you expect a "parser" to do?
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[22:41:02] <gmagno> andypugh, read the info from a text file and put it in a data strucuture
[22:41:03] <Jymmm> Hasty Harness using 1" webbing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQHlIASNTCQ&feature=related
[22:41:14] <gmagno> andypugh, I mean memory
[22:42:01] <andypugh> I think I have seen something that visualised G-code in Python.
[22:43:17] <andypugh> In fact, might "gremlin" do what you want? http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=src/emc/usr_intf/gremlin;h=4f21f3d8018ed289b23120f195e0fb527038b658;hb=825b7d394928f0fda1bcfb188952410e7a786578]
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[22:53:29] <gmagno> andypugh, that seems something very dependent on linuxcnc libs
[22:53:46] <andypugh> Yes, there is that
[22:54:02] <andypugh> You didn't say that that would be a problem.
[22:55:46] <andypugh> http://bit.ly/OjAwIo
[22:56:47] <andypugh> (Which is me admitting ignorance, bit there do seem to be leads to follow.
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[23:03:13] <gmagno> with or without lmgtfy you tried to help. Thanks anyway
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[23:03:51] <gmagno> brb
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