#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-07-17

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[00:22:49] <r00t4rd3d> i can take out a squirrel at 5 yards with no problems.
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[01:11:37] <elmo40> ;)
[01:11:54] <elmo40> squirrels are rats that climb trees
[01:12:03] <elmo40> remove as many as you can...
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[02:23:04] <gesparza> hi all
[02:26:04] <gesparza> im building a whitebox san and i was wondering how much bandwidth would be needed if my 3 hard drives ( each drive = 2 TB sata 7200 64mb cache) were running at full capacity?
[02:26:38] <gesparza> i know its not an exact sicence but a rough estimate would be great
[02:27:05] <jdh> sounds like an EMC question :)
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[02:27:29] <gesparza> i guess so
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[02:29:08] <gesparza> i have two gigabit nics (integrated) and have one pci slot to spare. So i need to know if ill be ok with adding a two port gigabit nic card or if i need to get the four port.
[02:30:25] <jdh> for your CNC machine?
[02:31:23] <ReadError> i think you are in the wrong place, gesparza
[02:31:29] <gesparza> yep
[02:31:30] <gesparza> i am
[02:31:32] <gesparza> sorry all
[02:31:39] <jdh> good question though!
[02:31:44] <gesparza> lol
[02:31:53] <Tom_itx> what about a switch?
[02:31:58] <gesparza> jdh: thanks
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[02:32:56] <empiric> guys i add 100 gb disk in my emc celera and i create a file system i delete it but still my storage is taking this space how i can empty this space
[02:33:18] <jdh> wow
[02:33:22] <jdh> two in a row!
[02:33:28] <Tom_itx> we are on a roll tonight
[02:33:51] <jdh> empiric: this is #Linuxcnc, for computer machine control.
[02:33:57] <Tom_itx> delete it?
[02:34:36] <empiric> i delete file system but when i try to create another is says already full space
[02:34:52] <empiric> i delete Fs from web gui and create also from there
[02:35:16] <Tom_itx> i use fdisk myself
[02:35:25] <Tom_itx> and create a new partition
[02:35:47] <Tom_itx> but i'm no linux guru so that's how i do it
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[07:46:30] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[08:05:29] <r00t4rd3d> middle of the morning
[08:08:10] <r00t4rd3d> puppet theater !
[08:08:11] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f9_1342464674
[08:11:26] <r00t4rd3d> diy brick making
[08:11:27] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fb5_1342494604
[08:11:59] <r00t4rd3d> i want to make one
[08:12:31] <r00t4rd3d> Jymmm
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[08:52:38] <r00t4rd3d> I blew my bicycle engine up last night. Lost a ring and it got caught up in my exhaust port, locked my piston right up.
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[08:57:33] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorized-BIKE-GAS-ENGINE-80cc-cylinder-piston-rings-/160833013776?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2572650810
[08:57:37] <r00t4rd3d> cheap fix though :D
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[10:44:44] <r00t4rd3d> 99F
[10:44:58] <r00t4rd3d> awesome!
[10:45:51] <r00t4rd3d> i can cook hotdog today with no fire
[10:46:38] <DJ9DJ> lol
[10:47:17] <DJ9DJ> we have about 62 degree F here
[10:47:21] <DJ9DJ> right at the moment
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[11:10:55] <paideia> can I convert a grayscale bitmap to 3d gcode?
[11:11:57] <paideia> like, using a grayscale bitmap to encode a relief-type of 3d structure and then generate the corresponding gcode?
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[11:12:32] <r00t4rd3d> paideia, http://microcarve.microcarve.biz/
[11:13:38] <paideia> r00t4rd3d, thanks for the suggestion but I was looking for an open source solution
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[11:16:23] <Valen> theres a filter or something in EMC to do that
[11:19:00] <jthornton> paideia, image to gcode comes with linuxcnc
[11:19:41] <jthornton> paideia, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/image-to-gcode.html
[11:19:46] <paideia> jthornton, and it takes the intensity values to be the height values?
[11:20:13] <paideia> indeed
[11:20:18] <paideia> thanks!
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[11:21:58] <jthornton> paideia, I've not used it, I just know it is there
[11:24:09] <paideia> interesting, the linuxcnc guys are using asciidoc for doc?
[11:24:21] <jthornton> yes, I am
[11:24:52] <paideia> :)
[11:26:09] <paideia> can I install this image2gcode without a linuxcnc?
[11:26:57] <jthornton> I would assume you can run it standalone
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[11:29:56] <paideia> jthornton, would you know how I can download it?
[11:31:40] <jthornton> you might look in the linuxcnc wiki for it
[11:31:54] <jthornton> do you know where that is?
[11:33:10] <paideia> just googled it, got here so far,http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
[11:33:28] <paideia> there is a link there about image-to-gcode but it's again only doc
[11:33:55] <paideia> there must be a place with the source code of all the programs shipped with linuxcnc
[11:34:39] <jthornton> yes, the git.linuxcnc.org I think is the url
[11:34:47] <paideia> indeed, just found it
[11:35:04] <paideia> but that way I don't think I can easily download only the program I'm interested in
[11:35:27] <jthornton> dunno I aways get the entire thing
[11:35:52] <jthornton> you could drill down and find it on the git web and copy and paste I assume
[11:36:15] <jthornton> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb
[11:36:15] <paideia> I guess you're assuming it's a standalone script
[11:36:30] <paideia> if that's the case, indeed, let me see
[11:37:23] <jthornton> that's what I'm guessing yes
[11:39:55] <paideia> gosh.. I really need to learn git
[11:40:55] <jthornton> ok http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Git
[11:42:16] <paideia> thanks
[11:42:27] <paideia> going to study this a bit
[11:42:31] <jthornton> np
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[12:01:07] <gmagno> hey, you know if I can run image to gcode (http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/gui_image-to-gcode.html) in a non linuxcnc os? Where can I donwload the scripts?
[12:03:09] <Valen> if you have an install of emc you could pull it out
[12:03:13] <Valen> i presume
[12:03:47] <gmagno> I have. Where should I find these scripts?
[12:05:56] <gmagno> I mean, the folder path
[12:07:36] <gmagno> hmm
[12:07:40] <gmagno> this is only one script
[12:07:53] <gmagno> it's in /usr/bin as it should of course
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[12:33:39] <ReadError> i wish there was a tool to load gcode
[12:33:45] <ReadError> and do size measurements
[12:33:50] <ReadError> from point to point ;/
[12:33:58] <jdh> get a probe
[12:34:14] <jdh> how many dives this year?
[12:34:18] <jdh> <urk>
[12:35:13] <ReadError> jdh: a probe?
[12:35:17] <ReadError> i want to see it in the code
[12:35:28] <ReadError> so i can lay out my clamps and stuff properly
[12:35:37] <ReadError> i mean i could do it in the CAD program
[12:35:44] <ReadError> but when im in the basement i dont have all that
[12:37:01] <jdh> oh
[12:37:03] <jdh> nevermind.
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[13:30:56] <gmagno_> I'm trying to run "image-to-gcode" python script on my laptop and I'm getting this error "ImportError: No module named rs274.author" what module is this??
[13:31:00] <gmagno_> :P
[13:38:06] <jdh> is your laptop running windows?
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[13:46:57] <JT-Shop> from rs274.author import Gcode
[13:47:04] <JT-Shop> import rs274.options
[13:47:17] <JT-Shop> looks like you need a couple more files
[13:47:41] <cradek> that's part of linuxcnc, more or less
[13:47:58] <JT-Shop> ah ok
[13:48:26] <cradek> % dpkg -S rs274/author.py
[13:48:26] <cradek> linuxcnc-sim: /usr/share/pyshared/rs274/author.py
[13:50:32] <JT-Shop> ah found it lib/python/rs274/author.py
[13:50:36] <JT-Shop> thanks cradek
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[13:51:47] <jdh> I have a livecd installed in a virtualbox on my windows computer
[13:57:23] <r00t4rd3d> that sounds pretty horrible.
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[13:58:17] <jdh> the windows box?
[13:58:23] <r00t4rd3d> the setup
[13:58:38] <jdh> ^shrug^ works fine for the intended use.
[13:59:05] <jdh> I have another vbox loaded with XP for trying 'questionable' software.
[13:59:07] <r00t4rd3d> do a wubi install with the linuxcnc iso
[13:59:36] <r00t4rd3d> it will install ubuntu like a program
[13:59:37] <jdh> and reboot every time?
[14:00:19] <r00t4rd3d> what do you need windows for?
[14:00:34] <jdh> stuff
[14:00:37] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[14:00:57] <JT-Shop> same reason I have windoze on this computer
[14:01:29] <r00t4rd3d> jdh splurge on a intel atom d525
[14:01:46] <jdh> and 2 more monitors, another kb, another mouse?
[14:01:56] <r00t4rd3d> kvm switch
[14:03:29] <jdh> that's a lot of hardware to throw at a minor problem.
[14:04:12] <r00t4rd3d> i would not call having to run a lincnc in virtualbox minor.
[14:04:23] <r00t4rd3d> -a i guess
[14:04:29] <jdh> I don't have to, I can go look at one of my 3 linux boxes.
[14:05:07] <r00t4rd3d> now im just lost.
[14:05:17] <r00t4rd3d> CAN ANYONE HEAR ME?
[14:05:19] <jdh> or, I can just pop up the vbox where I am.
[14:05:40] <r00t4rd3d> are you doing simulations or something?
[14:05:46] <r00t4rd3d> or just messing around
[14:06:28] <r00t4rd3d> if you have 3 linux boxes why are you vbing it on windows ?
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[14:06:50] <jdh> $d00d wanted to run image-to-gcode on his laptop. The error looks like he didn't have linuxcnc installed.
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[14:07:38] <jdh> I have it because it is trivial and I have wanted to play with linuxcnc stuff while I was sitting at my winbox.
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[14:12:03] <JT-Shop> jdh: I just typed image-to-gcode in a terminal on a computer with the livecd and it just works
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[14:20:55] <jdh> JT: works for me too.. I assume his laptop is windows and he just copied image-to-gcode only.
[14:21:27] <jdh> which prompted my "I run linuxcnc-sim in a vbox on my winbox"
[14:22:19] <cradek> if in a virtual machine, linuxcnc-sim will work much better than the regular linuxcnc package
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[14:23:20] <paideia> jdh, goncalao?
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[14:23:34] <jdh> and a merry goncalao to you!
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[14:23:43] <paideia> ok, you're not goncalao
[14:23:46] <paideia> :)
[14:24:02] <paideia> sorry, who asked the question about image-to-gcode?
[14:24:25] <micges> gmagno
[14:24:32] <paideia> ah ok
[14:24:47] <paideia> so I guess it's about the rs274.author module?
[14:25:28] * JT-Shop knew Andy would anwser that one :-)
[14:25:36] <paideia> I'm also trying to run image-to-gcode as a standalone
[14:25:44] <paideia> script
[14:25:52] <paideia> and I'm missing that dependency
[14:26:00] <paideia> is it easy to solve
[14:26:08] <JT-Shop> they are in the git
[14:26:34] <paideia> ok
[14:26:44] <jdh> or install linuxcnc-sim
[14:27:12] <paideia> might do that eventually, but right now just wanted to test that script
[14:27:18] <JT-Shop> paideia: http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=lib/python/rs274;h=953eee28845dd5e7c18f045c4ec0d46e5a59e674;hb=refs/heads/v2.5_branch
[14:27:54] <paideia> cool!
[14:27:57] <JT-Shop> btw, if you type image-to-gcode > myfile.ngc in the terminal the output goes to your file
[14:28:16] * JT-Shop goes back to work
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[14:31:14] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: no nap?
[14:40:36] <JT-Shop> maybe later Jymmm
[14:40:45] <Jymmm> =)
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[15:17:11] <gmagno> paideia, ramirao
[15:17:17] <gmagno> tou aqui
[15:19:13] <gmagno> paideia, ok those are good news from JT-Shop
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[15:32:27] <r00t4rd3d> now back to my Family Guy carving.....
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[15:45:21] <ReadError> new motor?
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[16:33:10] <Loetmichel> *brrr* 20 pc gbit nic shields modified... only 480 to go... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13438
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[16:37:10] <jthornton> Sweet! I finally got a working Glade3/Python framework up and running that I understand :-)
[16:38:13] <ReadError> Loetmichel: u still mess with the multirotors?
[16:38:25] <Loetmichel> i do
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[17:09:29] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
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[17:15:37] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSnNtgZrfyU
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[17:20:29] <cradek> haha, xemc on a widescreen
[17:22:34] <cradek> that sure looks like a lot of work. I wonder if any of it is of use for the general population.
[17:23:45] <IchGuckLive> all homemade
[17:24:41] <IchGuckLive> 2.5.0
[17:24:49] <skunkworks> it looks like a conventional linuxcnc setup... (no offloading of motion)
[17:25:22] <skunkworks> just seems like a lot of work when atom+mesa 'just works'
[17:27:33] <cradek> aside from the work, I don't understand sacrificing the modern UI(s) in order to accomplish the goal of using a very low powered CPU - I don't see what the gain is in doing that
[17:28:00] <Jymmm> axis is a resource whore =)
[17:28:06] <cradek> maybe if you intended to build a very large number of them?
[17:28:34] <cradek> Jymmm: sure it is, mostly because of the preview, but so?
[17:29:14] <Jymmm> offload it to 2nd cpu/cores, and dedicate primary to the real work
[17:29:33] <Jymmm> and not the "fluff"
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[17:29:54] <skunkworks> heh - which you can do with isolcups...
[17:29:56] <cradek> well that's exactly what you can get with our current scheme
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[17:30:26] <cradek> (even though it's not really necessary with any old PIII or faster)
[17:30:29] <Jymmm> skunkworks: which I shouldn't even have to be aware of.
[17:30:46] <cradek> Jymmm: oh you're being that way again! I see.
[17:30:50] <skunkworks> then you should not be using linux ;)
[17:31:05] <cradek> Jymmm: you're a resource whore on this channel.
[17:31:13] <Jymmm> cradek: "that way"?
[17:33:59] <Jymmm> cradek: So, what way is that?
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[17:43:37] <pcw_home> This is neat, I can talk to the Ethernet FPGA card from home
[17:44:48] <jdh> does it require a dedicated ethernet port?
[17:45:00] <pcw_home> For real time, yes
[17:46:12] <pcw_home> for regular utility stuff, no
[17:46:30] <IchGuckLive> i run 8hr a day on IBMA50 with no steploss at all
[17:46:48] <jdh> so you would need dual ethernet for that + regular tcpip
[17:46:54] <pcw_home> >01420001
[17:46:56] <pcw_home> > fecaaa55
[17:46:57] <pcw_home> not that exciting yet but that the HostMot2 cookie
[17:48:34] <micges> nice
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[17:49:06] <pcw_home> >84420804
[17:49:08] <pcw_home> > c00100004d4553413749383010000000
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[17:59:42] <JT-Shop> Sweet my Panasonic PLC programming software just added a PLC simulator so you can test code without being connected for the most part
[18:01:07] <jdh> nifty
[18:01:52] <pcw_home> how do you simulate external inputs? buttons?
[18:01:57] <jdh> I replaced a PLC cpu a few weeks ago, it was a newer faster rev, the faster sweep time screwed up some communications to 3rd party boards in teh backplane
[18:02:28] <JT-Shop> you can just click on the input and toggle the state
[18:02:32] <jdh> I override/toggle for simulation
[18:03:46] <JT-Shop> it does come with a warning about a few things like special timers and stuff but for general testing I don't have to take the PLC out of the smoker to test with
[18:06:58] <jdh> I have a spare plc at my desk for testing when needed. Works ok unless you need to test with weird io modules
[18:08:11] <JT-Shop> yea, the one I was doing via remote last week had a bar code scanner attached so could not test with that until I was live on the remote
[18:09:55] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, http://i.imgur.com/wddCu.jpg
[18:09:58] <r00t4rd3d> im cutting atm
[18:12:58] <IchGuckLive> r00t4rd3d: stepperflanch selfmade ?
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[18:36:11] <r00t-Shed> http://i.imgur.com/LNWa4.png
[18:36:13] <r00t-Shed> :)
[18:36:13] <cradek> Jymmm: sorry for being critical earlier. Sometimes it seems like the only time you pop out of lurk mode is to troll or when you're itching for a fight. I will try harder to assume good faith.
[18:37:15] <r00t-Shed> come out from under your foot bridge
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[18:37:52] <Tom_itx> meh, Jymmm's just a troll
[18:38:45] <cradek> Tom_itx: I've known him a long time, and not always. maybe moreso lately. not sure what's up.
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[18:39:01] <r00t-Shed> i think its bath salts
[18:39:04] <Jymmm> cradek: It's all good. I wasn't trying to troll, just aware that (as I call it) "fluff is a resource pig, and thinking that since emc doesn't (really) utilize multiple cpus/cores, that maybe the fluff could be offloaded to them, giving the 1ms timing described in the video better performance, and the fluff can do as it wants without interferance.
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[18:40:27] <Jymmm> cradek: as far as Tom_itx goes, he's just trying to pull my chain is all (aka being funny)
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[18:40:56] <cradek> you are mistaken about the facts of the matter: linuxcnc is multiple processes, and that means it uses multiple processors when they are available. you can even customize that usage. fluff/pig/etc is a matter of opinion and so I have no comment about that.
[18:41:28] <Tom_itx> cradek why are we urged to change the bios to one on the atom then?
[18:42:21] <cradek> that might be a case of hyperthreading? some people think that makes it worse. actual cores do help and you can even lock the realtime to just one of them, leaving the others free.
[18:42:27] <Tom_itx> yes
[18:42:38] <Jymmm> motion == work, everything else == fluff. the fluff *could* even be offloaded to a 2nd remote computer (which I've done and dramatically seen performance improvement on both sides of the coin)
[18:42:41] <Tom_itx> they recomended turning that off
[18:43:24] <cradek> my understanding is that hyperthreading is not multiple full cores, some parts of the CPU are shared, and that unsurprisingly turns out to hurt latency
[18:43:24] <Tom_itx> i think it gained a bit of performance but i don't think i'm loading it that much on mine anyway
[18:43:41] <cradek> I am not an expert on cpu technologies :-/
[18:43:45] <Jymmm> ... that's why I like keystick (less the lil quarks it has)
[18:43:50] <Tom_itx> i just do what i'm told
[18:43:54] <Jymmm> quirks
[18:43:58] <Tom_itx> unless i disagree and have good reason to
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[18:44:17] <r00t-Shed> how hot do steppers normally get? hot to the touch?
[18:44:26] <Tom_itx> time to borrow a JT-Shop nap
[18:44:42] <cradek> r00t-Shed: you might be able to find a max temperature rating for your motors
[18:45:06] <Tom_itx> r00t-Shed since my driver / psu updates mine run rather cool
[18:45:09] <cradek> r00t-Shed: basic/dumb drives that don't chop can give you very warm motors
[18:45:11] <Tom_itx> prior to that they ran hot
[18:45:40] <Tom_itx> the gecko drives are right impressive in that regard
[18:46:16] <r00t-Shed> im guessing the tb6560 dont chop
[18:46:52] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[18:47:40] <r00t-Shed> my x axis is constantly moving and cool, my y axis is hardly moving and hot
[18:48:01] <cradek> it's normal for steppers to be hottest when not moving
[18:48:10] <cradek> they have the max current through them at that time
[18:48:31] <Tom_itx> the gecko has a 70% power reduction 1 sec after the last step pulse has been received. i attribute the 'coolness' partially to that
[18:50:39] <pcw_home> r00t-Shed: "im guessing the tb6560 dont chop"
[18:50:40] <pcw_home> They do (as do most step drivers) but you probably
[18:50:42] <pcw_home> do not have idle current reduction
[18:50:50] <cradek> looks like tb6560 is a bipolar chopper drive
[18:51:43] <r00t-Shed> would that be decay mode?
[18:52:27] <cradek> TQ1/TQ2 inputs seem like the current limit
[18:52:48] <r00t-Shed> pcw_home, how do I do that?
[18:53:21] <r00t-Shed> it is 95 out though too
[18:55:06] <pcw_home> if you have a separate input to lower the current you set it lower when not in motion
[18:55:47] <r00t-Shed> cradek, on the main page there is a blue box with xyz coordinates, what is that?
[18:56:09] <cradek> ?
[18:56:17] <r00t-Shed> http://www.linuxcnc.org/
[18:56:21] <Jymmm> tkemc?
[18:56:33] <Jymmm> or the other one I can't recall
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[18:56:48] <cradek> oh right, that's (now known as) tklinuxcnc and is one of the previous generations of gui
[18:57:01] <r00t-Shed> oh
[18:57:03] <Jymmm> axis, tkemc, keystick, and ___________ ?
[18:57:14] <cradek> it's still in the distibution but doesn't really have a maintainer currently
[18:57:45] <r00t-Shed> where is the penguin code?
[18:58:02] <cradek> I think that's also in the distribution
[18:58:09] <cradek> it's called 3d_chips or similar
[18:58:17] <r00t-Shed> hmmmm
[18:58:35] <cradek> it's hard to cut: very plungey
[18:59:50] <r00t-Shed> i got some small balls
[19:00:03] <Jymmm> that's what she said
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[19:31:56] <Loetmichel> sooo, 60 slot shields done... only 440 to go... $me is feeling a bit like Sisyphos ;-)
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[19:38:37] <Jymmm> what is a "slot shield"?
[19:40:03] <jdh> outsource.
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[19:48:16] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: the steel plates that cover the ends of Computer cards...
[19:48:59] <Loetmichel> i had to find a place to get 2 line-signals out of the computer... on 500 systems. The NIC seems to be the best place ;-)
[19:49:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13438
[19:50:19] <Loetmichel> so i am modifying the 500 plats of the gbit nics on my private CNC mill... because the company has none
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[19:51:26] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Um, you can buy /get those free
[19:52:03] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: on a nic?
[19:52:21] <Loetmichel> there is no slot free to mount a plate with JUST the audio ports
[19:54:06] <Tom_itx> warranty void
[19:54:07] <Tom_itx> :D
[19:54:29] <Tom_itx> good idea though
[19:55:05] <Loetmichel> dell made a little mistake: we ordered systems with five plug-in-cards... 2 graphics boards, a fiber gbit nic, a copper gbit nic and a soundcard...
[19:55:10] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Front panel three 1/8" holes?
[19:55:23] <Loetmichel> we got delivered systems with 4 slots and without a soundcard...
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[19:56:17] <Loetmichel> so we will mount a usb soundcard inside.. but have to get the signals in/out
[19:56:23] <Loetmichel> times 500 ;-)
[19:56:30] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: they have those itty bitty sound cards
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[19:56:49] <Tom_itx> i think he's settled on a solution already Jymmm
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[19:57:44] <Jymmm> No, he has 8% of a solution and 446 more to go =)
[19:57:46] <Tom_itx> what did you use to engrave the graphic?
[19:57:50] <Tom_itx> heh
[19:58:21] <Tom_itx> might be easier to make a punch / die once then stamp em all
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[19:58:26] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: a engraving bit ;-)
[19:58:37] <Tom_itx> quicker
[19:58:42] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8958
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[19:59:05] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: may be
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[19:59:14] <Tom_itx> those look like carbide
[19:59:22] <Loetmichel> but i have no means of hardening a silver steel rod here
[19:59:28] <Loetmichel> they are carbide
[19:59:31] <Tom_itx> flame harden the edge
[19:59:39] <Loetmichel> and handmade from broken mill bits ;-)
[19:59:44] <Tom_itx> we did that on some dies we made
[19:59:46] <Tom_itx> heh
[19:59:48] <Tom_itx> good idea
[19:59:55] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: What, no wooden desks to burn?
[19:59:56] <Tom_itx> what color stone works on carbide? white?
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[20:00:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8961
[20:00:07] <Tom_itx> i need to find one
[20:00:08] <archivist> green
[20:00:09] <Loetmichel> diamond ;-)
[20:00:10] <Tom_itx> ahh ok
[20:00:18] <Tom_itx> i'm too cheap for diamonds
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[20:00:40] <archivist> and not all greens are the same :)
[20:00:50] <Tom_itx> i don't doubt that a bit
[20:00:50] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: these 20mm cutting discs cost about 10 eur for 10 pcs...
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[20:01:05] <Tom_itx> i have some broken carbide bits is all...
[20:01:11] <Loetmichel> some?
[20:01:18] <Loetmichel> i have about a kg over here ;-)
[20:01:18] <Tom_itx> like 2 or 3
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[20:02:12] <Tom_itx> ok, i need to get this spindle encoder mounted and figure out how to display it in axis / halui / glade
[20:02:15] <Tom_itx> something
[20:02:45] <Tom_itx> so i have a better idea of my cutting speed/feed ratio
[20:04:10] <archivist> looks near impossible for me to fit a spindle encoder on my hobbing machine where its really needed, the thing has a reduction right angle drive in the head
[20:05:18] <Jymmm> archivist pics?
[20:05:18] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/encoder_disk2.jpg
[20:05:23] <Tom_itx> that's what i got so far
[20:06:03] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/encoder_disk1.jpg
[20:06:16] <Tom_itx> yes i know the center hole is off a bit
[20:06:38] <Tom_itx> first time cutting with the new setup and i had the wrong tool in the tool list
[20:07:22] <Tom_itx> i used a last word on the diameter to align it
[20:07:56] <archivist> Jymmm, not mine but http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/lvanice/PM/BarberColmanS3.jpg
[20:09:07] <archivist> mine before I started http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_05_03_Barber_Colman_Type_S/IMG_1234.JPG
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[20:11:38] <archivist> started removing es aich one tee http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_07_10_Barber_Colman/IMG_1261.JPG
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[20:27:17] <Jymmm> archivist: couldn't you drill a small hole and install an optical pickup ?
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[20:46:54] <jthornton> anyone want to read my Glade3 Tutorial?
[20:47:03] <Tom_itx> sure
[20:47:07] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/glade/index.html
[20:47:25] <Tom_itx> i'm considering it for my spindle monitor just to get into it a little
[20:47:45] <jthornton> this is basic glade3 python
[20:48:03] <Tom_itx> right
[20:48:21] <Tom_itx> i'll read it here in a bit.. gotta do something first
[20:48:39] <jthornton> it has helped me to learn the basics of glade3 and how the signals work with python so that should translate to GladeVCP
[20:49:18] <Tom_itx> is glade installed by default or do i need to get it?
[20:50:19] <Jymmm> jthornton: how are you generating the web pages you have?
[20:50:38] <jthornton> you can use the add menu thing to add it
[20:50:55] <jthornton> ok ubuntu software center thingsy
[20:51:01] <jthornton> asciidoc Jymmm
[20:51:14] <Jymmm> that has an editor?
[20:51:44] <jthornton> gedit
[20:51:59] <Jymmm> ah
[20:52:05] <Jymmm> and the photos?
[20:52:19] <jthornton> screen captures
[20:52:32] <Jymmm> but gedit allows insertion of them?
[20:53:16] <jthornton> the html files are created with asciidoc from a text file that is created in gedit
[20:53:31] <jthornton> you use an 'image' tag to add the image
[20:53:46] <jthornton> it's quite simple once you have done it a million times
[20:53:49] <Jymmm> jthornton: Right, but does gedit give you an option to embed the photos in the document you originally create?
[20:54:04] <Jymmm> pre-asciidoc
[20:54:05] <jthornton> dunno
[20:54:46] <jthornton> I have a makefile that does the magic
[20:55:06] <Jymmm> huh?? that doens't make sense? How are you creating the original gedit document, THEN telling it where and what photos to put where?
[20:56:15] <Jymmm> anyhow....
[20:56:56] <Jymmm> I want to thread some SS tubing, but how to you "clamp" it without crushing/maring it?
[20:57:25] <cradek> Jymmm: turn a bar that fits inside of it
[20:57:51] <Jymmm> cradek: ok, that tkes care of the crushing, what about marring it?
[20:57:57] <cradek> or just use a collet - they don't tend to crush tubes if the pressure is set right
[20:58:05] <Jymmm> ah
[20:58:06] <cradek> again, collet
[20:58:13] <cradek> how big?
[20:58:26] <Jymmm> 1/8 to 1/2"
[20:58:46] <andypugh> Cast a block of Woods metal round it, machine, melt off Woods metal.
[20:58:46] <Jymmm> (eventually nested)
[20:58:49] <cradek> for that size you could sure get 5c collets and a collet block
[21:00:56] <jthornton> Jymmm, the gedit document is a plain text file you use image::nameofimage.png[] to put an image into the html
[21:01:13] <jthornton> google asciidoc cheat sheet
[21:01:25] <Jymmm> jthornton: Do *YOU* do that from within gedit or afterwards?
[21:01:39] <jthornton> do what?
[21:01:57] <Jymmm> jthornton: insert images in your documents
[21:02:20] <andypugh> It's like writing html, you just put in a tag
[21:02:24] <jthornton> I type image::nameofimage.png[] where I want the image to be
[21:02:39] <Jymmm> jthornton: in gedit, or after gedit?
[21:02:53] <Jymmm> in your make fiel thingy
[21:03:13] <jthornton> the image::nameofimage.png[] just is part of the text in gedit
[21:03:38] <Jymmm> jthornton: ok, so you're manually inserting images into the gedit document. got it. thanks.
[21:04:31] <jthornton> no not really putting images in just the markup command
[21:04:33] <jthornton> http://pastebin.com/nNccbqW2
[21:05:15] <Jymmm> jthornton: yes I understand, I didn't mean/say embedding images, just inserting (the image tag) in the gedit document.
[21:05:47] <jthornton> yes, then asciidoc puts the proper tag into the html
[21:06:25] <rob_h> any one in UK want a hardinge HNC ? >> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HARDINGE-NC-LATHE-/150856673527?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item231fc228f7
[21:06:39] <Jymmm> jthornton: =)
[21:06:54] <cradek> are these HNCs breeding or what
[21:07:04] <jthornton> lol seems that way
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[21:07:21] <Jymmm> factory shut down?
[21:07:40] <jthornton> well crap they won't mail it you have to pick it up
[21:07:41] <cradek> tape reader lit up and displays on - wonder if it actually works
[21:07:48] <rob_h> says it does
[21:08:03] <rob_h> hass a issue with an offset now and then it says if i rember
[21:08:12] <cradek> works *before* moving anyway
[21:08:23] <andypugh> Do they take an actual chuck, or are they collet only?
[21:08:30] <archivist> bah cant afford
[21:08:40] <cradek> you can get 5" chucks for them
[21:08:53] <archivist> looks nice condition too
[21:09:01] <rob_h> yea fairly common fitting on them
[21:09:02] <andypugh> I suspect I would have a bit of a hard time unloading at my end.
[21:09:11] <cradek> on top of the control is a place you're supposed to write the offsets so you can re-enter them when it forgets them. original factory equipment.
[21:09:38] <rob_h> on our CHNC and superslant we have power chuck for them.. they work off the closer
[21:09:39] <cradek> the top is full of D cell nicads and a battery charger
[21:10:13] <rob_h> if any one wants a spare cabnet we have one it used to work also
[21:10:13] <andypugh> If I bought it I would _have_ to scrap the original control just to fit it in my workshop.
[21:10:22] <Jymmm> andypugh: Not at all. you just need the Super JT Unloading System... For 300 easy paymants of $19.95 you will receive the complete system, Call now, operator standing by!
[21:10:22] <cradek> andypugh: the spindle's not supposed to be painted on the front...
[21:10:30] <rob_h> its apain in ass to program anyways
[21:10:43] <cradek> andypugh: the parts you actually want from the control are quite small
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[21:11:18] <archivist> time to extend the workshop andypugh
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[21:11:22] <andypugh> It has a crazy toolholder and no tailstock too, IIRC?
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[21:11:31] <cradek> yes no tailstock
[21:11:39] <andypugh> I think I am talking myself out of it
[21:11:43] <cradek> the turret is pretty nice actually
[21:11:53] <jthornton> same tool holder as the CHNC I think
[21:11:54] <Jymmm> archivist: It fit in your angles corner backyard expansion =)
[21:11:59] <Jymmm> angled
[21:12:12] <archivist> simply no money
[21:12:22] <andypugh> Hmm, but my dad has a ton of space..
[21:12:23] <rob_h> depends on center high but yes u can swop the tooling
[21:13:01] <Jymmm> archivist: Well, the seller IS "StonerJeffery" and I see lots of grass in your area, I'm sure you could come to a trade =)
[21:13:11] <jthornton> I think they can be fitted with 1/2" or 3/8" or 10mm turret plates
[21:13:14] <andypugh> I have this NCbox needing something to control :-)
[21:13:33] <cradek> and we all know you love resolvers
[21:13:46] <rob_h> lo
[21:13:46] <archivist> Jymmm, what part of no money dont you understand
[21:13:51] <rob_h> plus 5C collets are cheap ;)
[21:13:51] <andypugh> Resolvers are much under-appreciated
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[21:14:45] <Jymmm> archivist: (I meant barter, but it it was just a joke)
[21:15:06] <andypugh> WillemCMD as talking about an application needing 1/10000 of a turn positioning. Which sounds more like a job for a resolver than an encoder.
[21:15:07] <archivist> the joke wears exceedingly thin
[21:16:17] <andypugh> Talking of resolvers, these look like a bargain at the price: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Mavilor-BLS-072-Brushless-AC-Servo-Motor-BS072A-90-0109-G2-Resolver-/170876604631
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[21:21:48] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:26:37] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop was it a 'how to make webpages' tutorial?
[21:27:02] <jthornton> no
[21:27:14] <Tom_itx> just catching up on the scroll :)
[21:27:19] <jthornton> glade3 python tutorial
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[21:28:03] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/glade/index.html
[21:28:12] <Tom_itx> i'm looking at it
[21:28:30] <jthornton> do a refresh, I just added some content
[21:28:49] <Tom_itx> use this: &#169 for your copywright
[21:29:13] <jthornton> ok
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[21:30:16] <jthornton> Tom_itx, looks the same as (C)
[21:30:30] <andypugh> "copywright" sounds like a Chinese craftsman
[21:30:41] <Tom_itx> -w
[21:31:00] <Tom_itx> it should be the copyright symbol
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[21:38:04] <Connor> andypugh: A Resolver ?
[21:38:34] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop looks good but i think i need glade to follow along
[21:38:50] <andypugh> I need more words to parse that into a question
[21:39:14] <Connor> Just looking at the item.. trying to figure out the difference between a resolver vs encoder...
[21:39:25] <Connor> not seen anyone talk much about resolvers...
[21:39:53] <andypugh> Well, it is actually rather a nice servo motor, which just happens to have resolver feedback.
[21:39:55] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: you can add it from the Ubuntu Software Center on the main Ubuntu Menu
[21:40:28] <Connor> well.. that's what a servo is.. a motor with position feedback.. I get that.. It just happens to use a resolver instead of a encoder.
[21:40:40] <andypugh> Resolvers have theoretically infinite resolution, give absolute position feedback, and are immune to dirt and water. They are pretty tough too.
[21:40:55] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop i saw that. right now i need to find a pulley i lost
[21:41:09] <andypugh> On the down side, they are not at all easy to interface to digital systems.
[21:41:18] <JT-Shop> it's under the doo-dad
[21:42:10] <andypugh> You need to feed them a high-frequency sine wave on the primary terminals and measure the relative amplitudes of the two secondary signals.
[21:43:45] <Connor> I'm looking for a good servo unit that I can use for a 4th axis index/lathe
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[21:44:41] <andypugh> Belt drive?
[21:44:57] <Connor> Haven't gotten that far yet.
[21:45:09] <Connor> If it's belt drive, I'll need to put a break on the spindle.
[21:45:16] <andypugh> Those might do, but are possibly slightly underpowered. And having just one Resolver on the machine might be awkward
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[21:45:43] <Connor> It's AC.. and it's got the resolver.. so.. I don't think it's a good fit.
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[21:46:30] <andypugh> No. It would suit my machine which already has 3 AC servos with resolvers. (and two brushless otors with encoders)
[21:46:49] <WillenCMD> so i got a keling digital stepper drive in today 8056D, it has a r232 port using an ethernet plug. Anyone built a cable for this, and messed with tuning the drive?
[21:47:01] <Connor> how do you convert the analog nature of the resolvers into digital?
[21:47:04] <andypugh> Though I am a cheap-skate and trying to use an Arduino for the Resolver position feedback
[21:47:19] <Connor> Ah. okay
[21:48:19] <andypugh> Connor: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ResolverToQuadratureConverter (But, actually, I am now sending absolute position via a serial link)
[21:48:39] <WillenCMD> is that fast enough to do pid?
[21:49:23] <andypugh> 1Mbps
[21:49:33] <andypugh> 12 bytes.
[21:49:39] <andypugh> Time will tell...
[21:49:50] <andypugh> Sorry, 6 bytes
[21:50:27] <andypugh> 10 bits of data sent as 3bits of header and 5 bits of data, so it can all be a bit non-synchronous.
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[22:24:47] <r00t4rd3d> grazed:
[22:24:47] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/nihAB.jpg
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[22:27:47] <andypugh> Maybe I will start wearing mine
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[22:33:36] <Gast470> hello
[22:33:50] <micges> hi
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[23:18:10] <r00t4rd3d> arduino junkies :
[23:18:11] <r00t4rd3d> http://dx.com/p/arduno-37-in-1-sensor-module-kit-black-142834
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[23:36:23] <JT-Shop> dang cast iron is nasty dirty to work with
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[23:36:55] <r00t4rd3d> i got my classic usb nintendo controller working with linuxcnc to jog my all axis
[23:37:35] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop so is gunpowder but it doesn't seem to bother
[23:38:03] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: Oddly tempting
[23:38:42] <r00t4rd3d> andypugh, 11 bucks
[23:38:43] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/400304560914?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[23:39:29] <r00t4rd3d> then when im cutting i have nes emulator and play super mario bros
[23:40:00] <r00t4rd3d> or galaga
[23:41:04] <r00t4rd3d> so a smooth bore 3/8 couple wont tighten up on 3/8 rod
[23:41:50] <r00t4rd3d> i put a couple wraps of electrical tape on the end of the rod and that held for awhile.
[23:42:21] <JT-Shop> use duct tape, the real aluminum stuff not the other stuff
[23:42:34] <Jymmm> foil tape?
[23:42:38] <r00t4rd3d> tin tape
[23:43:27] <Jymmm> is there special dies for threading ss ?
[23:43:40] <Jymmm> or just use the typical ones?
[23:45:15] <r00t4rd3d> i tried to cut some ss the other day with a metal sawzall blade and it didnt even scratch it.
[23:45:53] <Jymmm> cut off wheel =)
[23:46:11] <r00t4rd3d> my buddy has a metal cutting chop saw, i used that
[23:46:17] <Tom_itx> Jymmm just make sure they're good dies
[23:46:23] <r00t4rd3d> basically a chop saw with a giant cut off wheel in it
[23:46:33] <andypugh> I normally use normal HSS dies, they work fine with SS
[23:46:56] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'm just going to buy a tap and die set as I need so many sizes and will only use it for this.
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[23:47:29] <Tom_itx> i'm just saying i doubt a cheap chinese one would work that well
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[23:48:08] <Jymmm> I'll hit the machinery shop here
[23:48:28] <Dew_> Hello
[23:48:34] <r00t4rd3d> ask for a tap, if they ask for what, tell them
[23:48:37] <r00t4rd3d> that ass
[23:48:52] <Jymmm> plus its such thin wall, I dont wanna screw em up =)
[23:49:36] <Jymmm> are there tapered dies?
[23:49:54] <Jymmm> nm
[23:49:55] <Tom_itx> pipe thread?
[23:49:56] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:50:03] <Tom_itx> lead in? yes
[23:50:21] <Jymmm> I need tapered taps, not dies.
[23:50:26] <Tom_itx> that too
[23:50:29] <Tom_itx> for pipe thread?
[23:50:30] <Jymmm> cool
[23:50:32] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:50:43] <Tom_itx> within reason
[23:50:46] <Jymmm> 1/8" - 1/2"
[23:50:49] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:50:55] <Tom_itx> should be able to find them
[23:51:07] <Tom_itx> i've got a few 1/8"
[23:51:14] <Jymmm> cool, I'm making nested ss pole
[23:52:15] <Jymmm> gonna try using coupling nuts as the taper
[23:52:17] <Dew_> Does anyone here use FreeCAD to design before creating g codes? Just wondering what is your experience on this.
[23:52:51] <andypugh> I have tried it, but went back to familiar packages. It seems OK though.
[23:54:43] <Dew_> familiar packages?
[23:55:21] <r00t4rd3d> by package he means programs
[23:55:38] <Dew_> ah, i see
[23:56:27] <r00t4rd3d> blender is another one you can try. Not sure how to get from that to gcode though
[23:56:33] <Dew_> at my work I say scripts other guy says packages. He lives in another city. :)
[23:57:34] <andypugh> I have a free Autodesk Inventor license, and used to use it full-time as a job, so it's hard to change.
[23:58:11] <Dew_> I'm just starting to use FreeCAD and very little on linuxCNC. I'm planning on making a cnc router to use at home.
[23:58:17] <r00t4rd3d> autodesk is a nightmare
[23:58:40] <andypugh> Inventor is actually rather nice. I agree about AutoCAD
[23:59:00] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[23:59:13] <r00t4rd3d> i figured they renamed it
[23:59:34] <r00t4rd3d> years ago i tried that cad stuff
[23:59:50] <r00t4rd3d> they were sending me cds yearly