#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-05-04

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[00:00:34] <JT-Shop> cool
[00:00:51] <JT-Shop> they put together some neat shows
[00:01:22] <JT-Shop> Rex reminds me of Al in Tool Time kinda
[00:04:57] <r00t4rd3d> Ive read like all of the Osama letters
[00:04:58] <ReadError_> JT-Shop: what did you model that in ?
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[00:20:13] <andypugh> JT-Shop: For your part: Machine from T-section? Or possibly leave a couple of "prongs" on the upright part, and rivet into the base plate.
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[00:21:08] <andypugh> I think that looks like an Alibre rendering.
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[00:24:11] <Thetawaves> anybody here used a varispeed s1000?
[00:25:20] <Thetawaves> i've got one, and no current sense resistor pcb... should i just buy pcb for 20$ or should i just buy the proper resistor for much cheaper?
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[00:34:12] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Same part, in Inventor Fusion (free Beta on my Mac, so far I am jolly impressed, it is like Sketchup, but accurate. ) http://imagebin.org/210886
[00:34:48] <Valen> physics bitches! http://fuckyeahfluiddynamics.tumblr.com/post/21791370020/a-supercritical-fluid-exists-without-a-distinct
[00:35:00] <pfred1> andypugh I never took you for the Mac type
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[00:35:43] <andypugh> No? I have only ever had Macs, I spent £1400 on this one last week. It's lovely (and it should be at that price)
[00:36:42] <Valen> they do have nice hardware
[00:36:59] <Valen> I was thinking of selling billet Al ones, till i found out they already were billet, not cast
[00:37:05] <pfred1> they're slapped together in the same chinese factories as everything else
[00:37:28] <Valen> pfred1: true, but they are slapped together by the best robots
[00:38:02] <Valen> in large corp environs they give people lenovo's because they don't break
[00:38:14] <Valen> the people who break them are given macbooks if they are execs
[00:38:27] <Valen> or get it taken out of their pay if they are grunts ;->
[00:38:44] <pfred1> I'd take it out of their severance pay
[00:39:22] <Valen> eh, they are on the road with them 200 days a year, shit will happen
[00:39:40] <ReadError_> i run a hackintosh
[00:39:49] <ReadError_> hey andypugh, is it open beta?
[00:40:10] <andypugh> http://youtu.be/s-imIrMazBc (fff to 1:15)
[00:40:12] <Valen> but the moral of the story is, macs are less likley to break than a lenovo commercial grade laptop, those are pretty damn good in the first place
[00:40:36] <ReadError_> i got a macbook pro also
[00:40:39] <ReadError_> macs last forever
[00:40:46] <ReadError_> super resale value too
[00:41:03] <Valen> I got an R60 second hand
[00:41:11] <Valen> $200 same specs as a new macbook
[00:41:15] <Valen> (at the time ;->)
[00:42:36] <pfred1> I'm on my $68 second hand PC
[00:43:01] <andypugh> Yeah, I sold my G4 Cube when it was 8 years old for £400, bought a 20" iMac which I have just given to my parents (eBay price £400 for a 6-year-old machine) and bought the 27" iMac. That's 3 computers in 12 years.
[00:44:08] <Valen> I sell my "old" computers to my clients lol
[00:44:49] <ReadError_> andypugh, is inventor fusion open beta or closed?
[00:44:55] <andypugh> Nobody thinks twice about paying what they want to pay for a sofa they like the look of, or a car for that matter. Yes, I can sit on a lawn chair and drive a Kia. But I prefer to like the things I use.
[00:45:01] <andypugh> Open
[00:45:26] <andypugh> http://labs.autodesk.com/technologies/fusion/
[00:45:31] <pfred1> andypugh I love my $68 PC
[00:49:45] <andypugh> Oh, in case you were wondering, that part was modelled between me saying "Alibre" and posting the picture, not in the gap between JT posting his pic. It's pretty slick if you are used to the "Inventor way" (draw a sketch on a face, then extrude or cut it)
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[00:58:25] <andypugh> Night folks. Offline till monday now. Have fun.
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[01:52:21] <r00t4rd3d> who goes offline for 3 days?
[01:54:06] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d people trapped under large boulders?
[01:54:24] <pfred1> they made a movie about a guy that happened to
[01:54:59] <pfred1> I think he cut off his arm with a pen knife or something equally gnarly
[01:55:41] <pfred1> the thought of all the spam building up in his yahoo mail probably drove him to do it
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[02:07:14] <ReadError_> w00t
[02:07:18] <ReadError_> got my new work bench built
[02:07:21] <ReadError_> pretty nice
[02:07:25] <ReadError_> super tall
[02:07:28] <ReadError_> i need a stool
[02:07:29] <ReadError_> heh
[02:08:41] <roycroft> i generally don't like really tall workbenches
[02:08:50] <roycroft> i like the space underneath them though
[02:09:06] <roycroft> one notable exception is my surface plate stand
[02:09:18] <roycroft> i built that so the top of the surface plate is at chest height
[02:09:22] <pfred1> the taller the bench the less force you can exert
[02:09:22] <roycroft> and i love it
[02:09:37] <roycroft> i hate bending over to do layouts and the like
[02:09:39] <ReadError_> its like 37"
[02:09:47] <roycroft> oh, that's not too tall
[02:09:54] <ReadError_> yea not incredibly tall
[02:09:55] <roycroft> just slightly taller than an average bench
[02:09:56] <ReadError_> but tall enough
[02:10:08] <ReadError_> too tall for a desk chair
[02:10:14] <roycroft> my electronics bench is about that tall
[02:10:26] <ReadError_> order your kit yet?\
[02:10:28] <ReadError_> hey pfred1
[02:10:32] <ReadError_> whats that router kit
[02:10:33] <roycroft> but i usually sit on a tall stool when i'm doing soldering and stuff
[02:10:37] <ReadError_> that was posted on kickstart
[02:10:38] <ReadError_> or something
[02:10:43] <ReadError_> it was like 200-300$ ?
[02:11:14] <roycroft> i'm pretty certain i'm getting a zen toolworks kit
[02:11:19] <roycroft> but not 100% decided
[02:11:38] <roycroft> so i just have the money sitting in the bank waiting until i'm sure what i want
[02:11:53] <roycroft> i'm still pondering spindles too
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[02:18:44] <pfred1> roycroft what kind of a machine are you building?
[02:25:02] <roycroft> cnc router for milling pcbs and doing some engraving
[02:25:38] <ReadError_> brew lately roycroft?
[02:26:06] <roycroft> not since i made the wee heavy about three weeks ago
[02:26:07] <pfred1> roycroft get a pneumatic spindle for the hight RPM
[02:26:12] <roycroft> it's still in the fermenterator
[02:26:23] <roycroft> i can't brew again until i pull it out of there
[02:26:45] <pfred1> I can't brew
[02:26:52] <roycroft> pfred1: i had considered that, but milling a pcb sometimes takes several hours, and i don't want to push my compressor that much
[02:26:59] <roycroft> nor do i want to put up with the noise for that long
[02:27:10] <pfred1> it is going to be noisy
[02:27:13] <ReadError_> you _CANT_ brew?
[02:27:16] <ReadError_> how is that so?
[02:27:28] <roycroft> but i'll be using 1mm or so tooling, so i do need really fast spindle sped
[02:27:31] <roycroft> speed
[02:27:43] <pfred1> ReadError_ not with this 4 miles up the road from me http://www.dogfish.com/
[02:28:10] <ReadError_> yea, DFH is nasty
[02:28:15] <ReadError_> ;p
[02:28:16] <pfred1> ?
[02:28:29] <roycroft> sam is an interesting brewer
[02:28:32] <pfred1> I guess they do ship the swill out of state
[02:28:33] <roycroft> and i like some of his stuff
[02:28:49] <roycroft> but some of it is quite not scottish
[02:29:02] <ReadError_> idk, the 120 is overhyped and i dont like it
[02:29:05] <roycroft> we get some dogfish head stuff here in oregon
[02:29:07] <pfred1> DFH is belgian style ales
[02:29:09] <ReadError_> my fav brew, is bells 2 hearted
[02:29:11] <roycroft> which is about as out of state as it gets
[02:29:39] <ReadError_> i love my RIMS
[02:30:21] <roycroft> i haven't designed my new brew system yet
[02:30:22] <pfred1> ReadError_ they go with your GRILLE?
[02:30:28] <roycroft> i'm still doin git the old fashioned way
[02:30:34] <roycroft> all manual
[02:31:15] <roycroft> i'm pondering rims
[02:31:16] <ReadError_> heh pfred1
[02:31:18] <roycroft> and i'm pondering herms
[02:31:24] <roycroft> and i'm pondering some kind of hybrid setup
[02:31:44] <roycroft> i'm even thinking about a gas-fired system with solenoid control over the gas burners
[02:32:12] <roycroft> i may just cut open my sanke kegs and build a bigger manual setup for now - i'm tired of 19l batches all the time
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[02:32:39] <ReadError_> http://p.twimg.com/AkOkEbiCAAIGsQu.jpg:large
[02:32:57] <roycroft> i have some pretty pristine kegs, and want to wait until i know exactly what i want as my ultimate system before cutting them open and welding on them
[02:33:19] <ReadError_> http://p.twimg.com/AkOkIHHCIAAa8t3.jpg:large
[02:33:22] <pfred1> I like beer fermented in wood
[02:33:24] <roycroft> aah, the venerable toolbox rims setup
[02:33:44] <pfred1> I just had some burton baton and it was nice
[02:33:49] <toastydeath> http://sharlot.org/archives/history/dayspast/images/2003_03_16.jpg
[02:33:52] <toastydeath> what a toolchest this would make
[02:33:57] <roycroft> i like all sorts of different beers
[02:34:22] * roycroft thinks he'd like dinner right now, though
[02:34:32] <ReadError_> why do you use metric roycroft ?
[02:34:38] <ReadError_> when you live in america ;/
[02:40:16] <pfred1> I remember when the USA switched to metric
[02:40:33] <pfred1> I was in 6th grade it was 1975?
[02:40:52] <pfred1> it lasted until everyone had to go gas up their cars
[02:41:22] <pfred1> so not quite a week
[02:43:46] <ReadError_> im brewin this weekend awww yeaaa
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[02:44:22] <jdhNC> pfred: I thought it was 1976. I was in 7th grade.
[02:44:29] <pfred1> the liquor store always has beer in it
[02:44:50] <pfred1> jdhNC it was a long time ago it might have been 1976 that is why I ended it with a question mark
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[02:45:14] <pfred1> in school they got us all metriced out
[02:45:24] <pfred1> then the next week they were like well we're done with that!
[02:45:34] <ReadError_> pfred1, still, nothing tops a fridge with some kegs of homeberw
[02:46:05] <pfred1> ReadError_ i leave the important things to the professionals
[02:46:46] <pfred1> DFH ain't playing no games
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[02:49:21] <jdhNC> The National Council of Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM) started the National Metric Week tradition, with the first one during the week of 10 May 1976
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[02:51:11] <jdhNC> how/where do you buy non-sucky drill bits?
[02:51:21] <toastydeath> how much are you willing to pay
[02:51:26] <ReadError_> amazon!
[02:51:29] <jdhNC> yeah, that's the problem.
[02:51:42] <archivist> what material are you drilling
[02:52:00] <jdhNC> plastics, Al, mild steel
[02:52:02] <toastydeath> the very best drills, in small sizes, are 30-45 bucks per bit.
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[02:52:13] <toastydeath> but good hss bits are 1-2 bucks per
[02:52:15] <jdhNC> that's not happening.
[02:52:17] <ReadError_> anyone here cut delrin before?
[02:52:22] <toastydeath> yep, I have
[02:52:27] <jdhNC> Read: just cut lots of it.
[02:52:28] <ReadError_> cuts nice?
[02:52:33] <toastydeath> cuts like plastic
[02:52:36] <r00t4rd3d> jdhNC, http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?item=160773149605&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&_ssn=jtg1969&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1
[02:52:39] <ReadError_> does it gum up?
[02:52:45] <toastydeath> not really, but the chips get in the way
[02:52:48] <jdhNC> not if you get the chips out of the way
[02:52:48] <toastydeath> but they break easy.
[02:52:49] <pfred1> jdhNC where I was they switched the gasoline pumps to liters so it was more than just in the schools
[02:52:55] <ReadError_> what RPM you use?
[02:53:01] <toastydeath> whatever you feel like
[02:53:03] <jdhNC> pfred1: wow, never saw that.
[02:53:15] <toastydeath> it'll cut balls to the wall if you want to
[02:53:16] <jdhNC> I was using my router, it says 30,000 but who knows.
[02:53:33] <jdhNC> I had to slow the feed rate down due to a floppy endmill
[02:53:50] <toastydeath> as long as your machine can maintain a good feed rate, cut as fast as you please.
[02:54:08] <toastydeath> you will have melting problems if you lose feed per revolution/tooth
[02:54:32] <pfred1> I wonder if a chip breaking endmill might help?
[02:54:50] <jdhNC> I was using a single flute. more probably would have been better.
[02:55:03] <toastydeath> no, chipbreaking works on mild steels
[02:55:13] <toastydeath> stainless can sometimes be chipbroken
[02:55:14] <ReadError_> i want to cut an iphone case in delrin + aluminum
[02:55:16] <toastydeath> but plastics? no way.
[02:55:21] <ReadError_> ill do that as a project some day
[02:55:24] <jdhNC> I think a good onsrud woudl be the thing
[02:55:40] <ReadError_> i got a niagara bit on amazon for ~10
[02:55:43] <ReadError_> its super sharp
[02:55:52] <ReadError_> end mill
[02:56:01] <toastydeath> who was looking for drills again
[02:56:17] <toastydeath> basically any real tool manufacturer, not ultra-cheap-bulk stuff, will make good drills for like 1-2 bucks a pop
[02:57:01] <toastydeath> and that range of drillbit usually won't have a crazy geometry on the tip so you can resharpen it in the shop
[02:57:32] <r00t4rd3d> fish tail plunge tip?
[02:57:54] <pfred1> all those crazy geometries seem to just grind off to me
[02:58:05] <toastydeath> r00t4rd3d, no
[02:58:17] <toastydeath> pfred1: dunno, i've had great success with them
[02:58:23] <ReadError_> r00t4rd3d, finishing the router this weekend?
[02:58:42] <r00t4rd3d> its all apart and Im painting it
[02:58:52] <toastydeath> bits with parabolic and spherical points to them, with crazy split-point grinding
[02:58:57] <r00t4rd3d> so probably not
[02:59:44] <jdhNC> do you sharpen them by hand/jig or a machine?
[02:59:44] <pfred1> toastydeath I just have a pitbull sharpener and I relieve the back by hand
[02:59:48] <jdhNC> (I throw them away)
[03:00:18] <toastydeath> jdhNC you have to send them out to a shop that has a 5 or 6 axis tool sharpener
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[03:00:21] <r00t4rd3d> when metal bits go bad on me i use them on wood :)
[03:00:37] <ReadError_> r00t4rd3d, using wood hardener ?
[03:00:51] <pfred1> I like sharp bits for wood too
[03:01:00] <r00t4rd3d> no
[03:01:14] <r00t4rd3d> spray paint
[03:01:16] <jdhNC> finding one close ot the right size is pretty much it for me.
[03:01:23] <ReadError_> you should get some wood hardener
[03:01:25] <ReadError_> put it on 1st
[03:01:29] <r00t4rd3d> too late
[03:01:36] <pfred1> I like the minwax wood hardener
[03:01:51] <pfred1> which i think is just thinned out fiberglass resin
[03:01:54] <ReadError_> whats in wood hardener ?
[03:01:56] <ReadError_> ah
[03:02:18] <r00t4rd3d> I dont plan on sticking with mdf anyway
[03:02:33] <pfred1> it is this clear liquid you pour onto wood it soaks in then when it sets up the wood is like iron
[03:03:06] <pfred1> usually you use it on wood that is dry rotted
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[03:03:21] <_ink> hi all
[03:03:26] <ReadError_> ohai friend
[03:03:40] * ReadError_ makes _ink and roycroft hug
[03:03:46] <_ink> roycroft!!!
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[03:04:14] * ink bound to get ghosted at some point I let my nick registration lapse and someone took it :|
[03:04:40] <ink> roycroft: worry not, my CNCs are metric ;P
[03:05:33] <ReadError> i didnt think nicks expired?
[03:05:42] <pfred1> yes they do
[03:05:59] <pfred1> well the registration does on them
[03:06:00] <ReadError> Registered : Jul 06 00:46:12 2004 (7 years, 43 weeks, 3 days, 02:19:37 ago)
[03:06:02] <ReadError> wow heh
[03:06:06] <ReadError> i was still in HS then
[03:06:24] <pfred1> mine expired but I got it back
[03:06:38] <ReadError> yea, big demand for pfred1 im sure ;)
[03:06:40] <ReadError> jk
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[03:07:05] <pfred1> when i moved i was offline for about 4 years
[03:07:56] <ReadError> wow
[03:08:01] <ReadError> and you are still alive?
[03:08:20] * ReadError would withdraw long before that time
[03:08:20] <pfred1> sure why not? I've been offline most of my life
[03:08:33] <ReadError> ive been online most of mine :)
[03:08:47] <Tom_itx> you're missing out then
[03:08:56] <pfred1> we didn't have PCs when I was a kid
[03:09:05] <ReadError> Tom_itx, i am?
[03:09:20] <Tom_itx> not that you know of :)
[03:09:32] <jdhNC> I had a class in 1978 with a Wang(tm) and a TRS80 M1
[03:09:42] <ReadError> heheheh wang
[03:09:59] <Tom_itx> i recall when HP brought out the first calculator
[03:10:20] <ReadError> scumbag teachers used to say
[03:10:21] <ReadError> learn math
[03:10:25] <pfred1> jdhNC the last day of school when I was a senior I found this wooden box looking thing befond the door of an advanced mathe class and I was told it was a "computer"
[03:10:26] <ReadError> you wont carry around a calculator
[03:10:30] * ReadError looks at iphone
[03:10:49] <pfred1> jdhNC before that I didn't evne know the school i went to had one
[03:11:29] <jdhNC> I'd bet most of my school didn't know either.
[03:11:49] <pfred1> kids i went to school with had computers
[03:12:07] <jdhNC> really? what kind?
[03:12:16] <pfred1> back then the town I was in was the 7th richest in the USA per capita
[03:12:30] <pfred1> mostly apple ][s
[03:14:18] <jdhNC> I don't know of anyone that had a computer back then (Nashville)
[03:15:05] <pfred1> I grew up in a town named summit
[03:15:19] <pfred1> dennis ritchie went to my high school he wrote C
[03:15:42] <pfred1> so its not like we don't have a history with computers :)
[03:16:21] <pfred1> but he sure didn't learn about them in school
[03:18:35] <roycroft> i started out on a pdp-8 that i accessed via teletype on a 300 baud modem with an acoustic coupler to the phone line
[03:18:45] <roycroft> back when i was a sophomore in high school
[03:19:10] <pfred1> I ripped apart a PDP 11/34 that did booking at Newark International Airport
[03:19:23] <pfred1> it is a tool cabinet in my garage now
[03:19:34] <jdhNC> I have two PDP 11/73's still in service at work.
[03:19:45] <roycroft> cool
[03:19:57] <pfred1> jdhNC why?
[03:20:11] <roycroft> if they still do the job, why not?
[03:20:11] <jdhNC> they work, and are kind of hard to replace.
[03:20:21] <roycroft> other than excessive power consumption
[03:20:23] <pfred1> because electricity isn't free?
[03:20:31] <jdhNC> they are tiny
[03:20:39] <jdhNC> relatively. Not much power anyway
[03:20:51] <pfred1> oh the 11/34 I stripped was about 8 feet tall it was the size of a small closet
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[03:21:09] <roycroft> not 7 feet tall?
[03:21:10] <pfred1> but that is what Sawsalls are for
[03:21:25] <roycroft> dec used standard rack sizes
[03:21:31] <pfred1> roycroft I don't know maybe I didn't break out a tape measure before I cut it in half
[03:21:33] <jdhNC> these are in BA-23 cases. 19" rack, maybe 12" tall
[03:21:39] <roycroft> and standard racks are 7' or 11' tall
[03:22:07] <pfred1> it was frigging tall that is all I remember
[03:22:07] <roycroft> i don't think i've ever seen an 11' rack cabinet though - only relay racks that size
[03:22:21] <roycroft> there are 15' relay racks too, but they're quite uncommon
[03:22:22] <pfred1> I have a picture of it now
[03:22:43] <pfred1> http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5600/p3060008.jpg
[03:22:48] <pfred1> it ain't so tall anymore
[03:23:07] <jdhNC> I replaced two others years ago with some MicroChannel PC's with custom MCA cards.
[03:23:15] * roycroft doesn't want to see a chopped-up pdp-11
[03:23:20] * roycroft would become sad
[03:23:23] <pfred1> why not?
[03:23:31] <jdhNC> I can still get replacement PDP's... can't get microchannel boxes
[03:23:31] <pfred1> it is a nice tool cabinet
[03:23:53] <pfred1> accuride ball bearing drawer slides top of the pops!
[03:24:47] <pfred1> the drawers are gutted out hard drives
[03:24:56] <jdhNC> RL02?
[03:26:11] <ReadError> so roycroft
[03:26:13] <pfred1> I just found out the older brother of another kid I went to school with made computers for semour cray
[03:26:15] <ReadError> why do you use metric?
[03:26:42] <roycroft> because it's easy
[03:26:55] <pfred1> roycroft what is easy about it?
[03:26:59] <roycroft> and because almost the entire world uses it
[03:27:02] <ReadError> its base10
[03:27:05] <ReadError> but you are in america
[03:27:10] <ReadError> so...
[03:27:15] <roycroft> right
[03:27:21] <pfred1> inches are base 10 too
[03:27:24] <roycroft> and the us officially adopted the metric system in the 1870s
[03:27:28] <roycroft> and then again in the 1970s
[03:27:29] <ink> hi roycroft :)
[03:27:31] <ink> long time no see
[03:27:33] <roycroft> howdy
[03:27:39] <roycroft> nice seeing you, ink
[03:27:44] <ReadError> roycroft
[03:27:50] <ReadError> but you wouldnt goto the LHBS
[03:27:52] <roycroft> you're one of the few that i missed when i left that channel on efnet
[03:27:53] <ReadError> with a grainbill in metric
[03:27:55] <ReadError> would you?
[03:27:56] <ink> :D
[03:27:58] <roycroft> sure
[03:28:20] <roycroft> "i'll have a 25kg sack of thos. fawcett golden promise, please"
[03:28:25] <roycroft> and they get the sack of grain
[03:29:06] <pfred1> I have metric scales I think they're clumsy
[03:29:15] <pfred1> all the millimeters look alike to me
[03:29:15] <roycroft> if i'm getting less than a full sack i'll roughly translate into pounds
[03:29:22] <roycroft> i don't buy grain on a per-batch basis
[03:30:12] <roycroft> i'm building a cnc router, ink
[03:30:29] <ink> ooh
[03:30:41] <ink> very cool, I've been wanting to try my hand at that as well
[03:30:42] <pfred1> I built a Z axis but I've been too busy to get back to it
[03:30:49] <roycroft> so i can prototype pcbs for my temperature controller
[03:30:53] <ink> nice
[03:31:11] * ink still wants to make his stirplate project
[03:31:15] <ink> stirplate-pro :)
[03:31:21] <roycroft> i'm pretty much decided on a zen toolworks kit
[03:31:34] <ink> zen toolworks?
[03:31:37] * roycroft has three corning stir plates now, and thinks he probably won't need any more
[03:31:39] <pfred1> I think etching is the way to go for making PCBs
[03:31:52] <roycroft> i do not want to mess with the chemicals
[03:31:52] <ink> roycroft: well I have some ideas on how to make stir plates better
[03:32:06] <roycroft> and alignment is an issue with etching
[03:32:11] <ink> so if I ever get off my lazy ass and do it, you can sell those and I'll ship you 3 new ones ;P
[03:32:15] <roycroft> and i would *still* need a cnc router for drilling
[03:32:17] <pfred1> roycroft what is to mess with you dump the board in then take it out
[03:32:28] <pfred1> roycroft how come?
[03:32:29] <roycroft> storage and disposal
[03:32:38] <pfred1> I drill mine out with a drill press
[03:32:57] <roycroft> do you make double-sided boards?
[03:33:01] <pfred1> nope
[03:33:03] <roycroft> ok
[03:33:09] <roycroft> that's the difference
[03:33:11] <ink> heh
[03:33:13] <pfred1> how are you going to plate through?
[03:33:17] <ink> we had a pcb etcher up on campus
[03:33:23] <ink> it was very cool, but a bit tricky
[03:33:28] <roycroft> my plan is to drill first
[03:33:32] <ink> the copper does not adhere so well to the fiberglass
[03:33:35] <roycroft> halfway through each side
[03:33:42] <pfred1> roycroft I see you have a plan
[03:33:47] <ink> so drill your holes before you route the traces
[03:33:47] <roycroft> so i don't have to use a sacrificial base
[03:33:57] <roycroft> then i can plate the vias
[03:34:02] <roycroft> then route each side
[03:34:03] <ink> or else the copper can get snagged in the drill bit and it rips the trace right off the board
[03:34:09] <ink> also, be careful building the thing
[03:34:21] <ink> if you have to rework any parts, traces can lift off the board and get very annoying
[03:34:42] <ink> maybe you can silkscreen on a soldermask layer or something and solve all those problems, iunno
[03:34:43] <roycroft> i've been pondering this for a long time
[03:34:46] <pfred1> ink that doesn't happen if you have the proper sized plating rings
[03:34:47] <ink> but those are the problems we ran into
[03:34:55] <ink> we did get several good boards out of that thing though
[03:35:00] <ink> some of which are still in use
[03:35:06] <ink> pfred1: ah, yeah
[03:35:11] <ink> we were still very new to it
[03:35:28] <pfred1> plus i have a dedicated high speed drill press for when I make PCBs
[03:35:35] <ink> I never used it myself, even
[03:35:44] <ink> it was mainly my groupmate who was doing the layout
[03:35:45] <pfred1> I'm sure that helps
[03:35:52] <ink> nice :)
[03:36:03] <ink> still, plated vias you have to solder by hand
[03:36:04] <roycroft> i'm sure i'll have to deal with a lot of issues i didn't consider when i start doing this
[03:36:07] <roycroft> but this is my plan
[03:36:13] <ink> and you need to get the alignment between sides right-on
[03:36:25] <pfred1> that is called registration
[03:36:26] <roycroft> first, i'll drill two very small (like 1mm or 0.5mm) holes along one edge of the board, precisely spaced
[03:36:45] <roycroft> then i'll us a webcam to optically align the spindle over the holes
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[03:37:08] <pfred1> why not just use a right angle on your work table?
[03:37:19] <roycroft> and let the cnc controller shift the x and y axes to align with the holes
[03:37:20] <pfred1> like normal people would
[03:37:34] <ink> nice
[03:37:39] <ink> computer vision ftw
[03:37:39] <roycroft> because pcbs do not have precision edges
[03:37:47] <roycroft> nor are they a standard size
[03:37:49] <pfred1> roycroft why not?
[03:37:49] * ink has only played with OpenCV a little bit
[03:37:52] <ink> it is quite neat
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[03:38:13] <roycroft> i don't want to mess around with alignment all the time
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[03:38:41] <roycroft> so after i do that, i probe the board to build a topographic map of it
[03:38:45] <roycroft> (pcbs are not very flat)
[03:38:47] <pfred1> well you let me know how that works out for you for me I'm a big believer in positive stops
[03:38:50] <roycroft> then i can drill one side half-way through
[03:38:58] <roycroft> flip it over
[03:39:02] <roycroft> align and map
[03:39:06] <roycroft> drill the rest of the way
[03:39:13] <roycroft> remove, plate the vias
[03:39:24] <roycroft> (i don't want to be soldering wires through the vias - that's dumb)
[03:39:33] <roycroft> replace, align and map
[03:39:35] <roycroft> route one side
[03:39:41] <roycroft> flip, align and map, route the other side
[03:39:42] <pfred1> they make this stuff that looks like breakaway pencil lead for homebrewed plating
[03:40:19] <pfred1> it is the "WTG"
[03:41:11] <roycroft> i don't see any fundmental flaws with my plan
[03:41:29] <roycroft> other than it's going to take some time to get the optical alignment and the topographic map stuff working right
[03:41:37] <pfred1> neither did the captian when he set sail in the Titanic
[03:41:42] <roycroft> once i have that all dialed in it should work fine
[03:41:52] <pfred1> doesn't mean it ended well for him though
[03:42:00] <jdhNC> you have a plan. Go for it.
[03:42:07] <roycroft> i don't risk death for myself and thousands of others if my plan does not work out
[03:42:25] <pfred1> I'll never forget a picture i saw once of the back lot of the Mazda factory
[03:42:37] <ink> hehe
[03:42:42] <pfred1> with their 1,700 failed rotary engine prototypes in it
[03:42:43] <ink> roycroft: well keep in mind
[03:42:51] <pfred1> covered about 3 acres
[03:42:52] * ink has a lasercutter
[03:43:01] <ink> so if you need any parts made, lemme know :)
[03:43:03] <roycroft> yes, i'm aware you have a lasercutter
[03:43:05] <roycroft> ok
[03:43:24] <roycroft> have you ever lasercut pcbs?
[03:43:32] <ink> no, but a friend of mine did
[03:43:53] <ink> he spraypainted some copper-clad black, and etched off the paint
[03:44:00] <ink> and used the remaining paint as the etch-resist
[03:44:08] <roycroft> hmm
[03:44:28] <roycroft> i should imagine one could drill with the laser as well
[03:44:34] <ink> but if you are going to do that, you might as well just photo-resist etch it
[03:44:42] <pfred1> through copper clad PCB?
[03:44:44] <ink> my laser is not that powerful ;P
[03:44:50] <ink> and reflective surfaces are bad
[03:44:58] <roycroft> teh ebay has big lasers :)
[03:45:03] <ink> yes well
[03:45:06] <ink> some day :)
[03:45:18] * ink is not quite there yet
[03:45:21] <pfred1> lets face facts if it was the way to go then every manufacturer would be doing it
[03:45:31] * roycroft pictures ink with a 5kw laser cutter
[03:45:43] <roycroft> i do not intend to manufacture pcbs
[03:45:52] <roycroft> i'm going to use this setup for prototyping
[03:45:55] <pfred1> that i believe
[03:46:03] <ink> >:)\
[03:46:08] * ink shoots the moon
[03:46:13] * ink writes his name
[03:46:33] <roycroft> when i need them manufactured, there are places that do that very well much more efficiently than i could ever do
[03:46:35] <pfred1> some circuits you have ot have etched boards
[03:46:43] * ink draws a giant troll face
[03:46:46] <pfred1> but not many
[03:47:22] <roycroft> i also want to use this router for engraving, and for making chassis cut-outs
[03:47:29] <roycroft> neither of which i could do with an etching setup
[03:47:50] <pfred1> http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/4395/drillboard.jpg
[03:48:00] <roycroft> i am not going to claim that the method i'm going to be using is superior to etching
[03:48:13] <roycroft> but i think it will suit my needs well
[03:48:37] <pfred1> roycroft someday maybe you'll find out
[03:48:43] <jdhNC> heh
[03:49:00] <roycroft> hes
[03:49:02] <roycroft> yes, rather
[03:49:04] * pfred1 prefers to know rather than think
[03:49:13] <roycroft> in the meantime, i don't appreciate being told i'm wrong
[03:49:30] <jdhNC> what if you are?
[03:49:35] <roycroft> there is usually more than one way to accomplish something
[03:49:39] <ink> uh oh
[03:49:43] <ink> somebody is wrong on the internet
[03:49:47] <pfred1> yeah the right way and all the other ways
[03:49:48] <roycroft> if i am i'll find that out
[03:50:08] <ink> roycroft: the routed worked nicely for us
[03:50:11] <roycroft> a lot of people mill pcbs
[03:50:14] <ink> it had a very quick turn time
[03:50:17] <pfred1> first off i have to wonder if you need a PCB to prototype a circuit at all
[03:50:19] <ink> and little manual work required
[03:50:27] <ink> there were a few things we had to watch out for
[03:50:34] <roycroft> i prototype on breadboards
[03:50:35] <ink> and you had to be a little careful soldering
[03:50:49] <jdhNC> pfred1: I'd like to mill some for one-off stuff.
[03:50:49] <ink> but it should work
[03:50:52] <roycroft> the next step is to design the pcb based on the tested, breadboarded design
[03:51:01] <jdhNC> which is why I got my router originally.
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[03:51:06] <pfred1> roycroft me too http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7615/p7100104.jpg
[03:51:15] <roycroft> and the next step is to send the job out for production
[03:51:16] <ink> once you have a tool that will just build stuff for you, you don't have to be quite as careful when designing
[03:51:39] <ink> you can make things more impulsively, and if it doesn't work, just change it and mill it again
[03:51:51] <ink> and not wait 2 weeks to get it back from the fab
[03:52:00] <pfred1> ink whenever I design something the thought foremost in my mind is the simple fact that i do have to make it someday
[03:52:13] <pfred1> that does influence my decisions
[03:52:14] <ink> yep :)
[03:52:25] <ink> I shoudl hope so
[03:52:32] <ink> well I don't mean 'build the whole thing'
[03:52:37] <pfred1> that is why most things I set out to do work for me
[03:52:41] <jdhNC> milling pcb's is a really nice idea. Other than the implementation anyway.
[03:52:44] <ink> but whenever we lay out a board and have it made
[03:52:55] <ink> we spend a good deal of time double-triple-quadruple checking stuff
[03:52:57] <roycroft> i find the challenges of milling pcbs ineresting
[03:53:00] <pfred1> jdhNC its OK until bits hit copper
[03:53:05] <jdhNC> sure
[03:53:08] <ink> because if it doesn't work, it is very expensive and takes a long time
[03:53:11] <jdhNC> or doesn't hit copper quite right
[03:53:19] <ink> I mean, you still have to populate the boards
[03:53:24] <pfred1> doesn't matter copper sux to mill
[03:53:31] <roycroft> that's why the folks who successfully do it do the topo thing
[03:53:36] <roycroft> that seems to be the key
[03:53:41] <pfred1> stuff likes to string too much
[03:53:54] <roycroft> either to get really flat boards and keep them flat with a vacuum base
[03:54:04] <ink> jdhNC: I'm kinda interested in something that lays down copper instead of etching it away
[03:54:08] <roycroft> or map out the board contours and adjust accordingly
[03:54:17] <jdhNC> that woudl be cool
[03:54:19] <ink> like you could make essentially a sewing machine, that just glues magnet wire to a surface
[03:54:19] <pfred1> ink they make circuit printers
[03:54:20] <ink> heh
[03:54:24] <ink> or that
[03:54:29] <ink> conductive ink
[03:54:31] <jdhNC> inkjet with copper
[03:54:34] <ink> yeah
[03:54:36] <pfred1> ink but you don't want to know what the ink to print transistors costs
[03:54:37] <ink> hmm
[03:54:44] <ink> well
[03:54:56] <ink> have you heard about some of the crazy stuff they are doing with graphene?
[03:55:19] <ink> apparently you can laser-etch wires, capacitors and transistors into graphene oxide film
[03:55:24] <pfred1> gold is a lot cheaper than transistor ink
[03:55:30] <ink> it is weird stuff
[03:55:35] * roycroft just wonders why there are no irc channels where people don't argue and act superior all the time
[03:55:46] <ink> heh
[03:55:55] <ink> I just saw it in some video a few weeks ago
[03:56:12] <ink> interesting stuff
[03:56:28] <ink> but I have no clue how it really works ;P
[03:56:30] <pfred1> ink yeah videos or it didn't happen is my motto
[03:56:34] <ink> hehe
[03:57:24] <pfred1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHPKaHLzXes
[03:58:38] <pfred1> that is inside this now http://i.imgur.com/PHZCW.jpg
[03:58:58] <pfred1> runs better in there go figure
[03:59:20] <ink> nice :)
[03:59:29] <pfred1> thanks :)
[03:59:50] <pfred1> the rest of my design is more radical but I haven't gotten on with it lately
[04:00:14] <pfred1> I'm intrigued to see if it is going to work
[04:01:02] <pfred1> the melamine dream machine!
[04:02:43] <pfred1> I made my own motor drivers and everything http://i.imgur.com/jnbx6.jpg
[04:03:17] <pfred1> look ma, no etching! http://i.imgur.com/l1z0g.jpg
[04:03:58] <jdhNC> and a Simpson
[04:04:04] <pfred1> I have 3
[04:04:25] <pfred1> well the one i just got I need to refurbish yet
[04:04:47] <pfred1> it is in some pretty tough shape ATM http://i.imgur.com/r5W20.jpg
[04:05:04] <jdhNC> heh, battery was long gone
[04:05:09] <pfred1> but I'll completely strip it down and remanufacture it
[04:05:25] * pfred1 likes his 260s
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[04:50:20] <Aero-Tec> hello
[04:50:27] <Aero-Tec> need help
[04:50:50] <Aero-Tec> working on converting mach Gcode to EMC2
[04:51:18] <Aero-Tec> it keeps say something about a % at the code end
[04:51:29] <Aero-Tec> I have m2
[04:51:46] <Aero-Tec> %
[04:51:58] <Aero-Tec> at the end
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[05:17:56] <Connor> Was just trying to cut threads using the mill...
[05:18:20] <Connor> It would cut a few passes okay.. but then loose sync or something and mess up the threads..
[05:18:31] <Connor> but sure if it's backlash in the Z, or the sync is off.. or what..
[05:19:16] <Connor> I have to say though, after using my mill manually for all this time, watching it do something on it's own is just damn cool.
[05:19:34] <Connor> especially on a process I couldn't possible do manually.
[05:25:39] <KimK> Aero-Tec: Did you get it figured out?
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[05:26:12] <Aero-Tec> not yet
[05:26:23] <Aero-Tec> not sure whats up
[05:26:25] <KimK> Aero-Tec: It sounds like it wants you to remove the %, have you tried that?
[05:26:35] <Aero-Tec> yes
[05:26:39] <Aero-Tec> just m2
[05:26:49] <Aero-Tec> did m30 as well
[05:26:57] <Aero-Tec> whats the best one to use?
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[05:27:47] <Aero-Tec> I have a wack of subs as well in it
[05:28:23] <Aero-Tec> tried several %
[05:28:48] <Aero-Tec> it complains about the % not being there
[05:28:55] <Aero-Tec> but yet it is there
[05:29:25] <Aero-Tec> KimK: thanks for the help BTW
[05:29:59] <Aero-Tec> I wrote a simple test Gcode pog and it works
[05:30:10] <Aero-Tec> yet the conversion one does not
[05:30:10] <KimK> Can you post your gcode to pastebin.com or to your favorite place? Either M2 or M30 will work, but if it were me, I'd use M2 to simply stop. M30 could mean "stop and rewind" (old school, paper tape, etc.) or it could mean "stop and exchange pallets".
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[05:30:48] <Aero-Tec> pallets?
[05:30:56] <Aero-Tec> it is a long code
[05:31:25] <Aero-Tec> 396 lines
[05:31:29] <KimK> Some machines have two or more pallets. A pallet is like a removable table.
[05:32:37] <KimK> This is a handy feature because the operator can be removing finished part #1 and installing blank part #3, while the machine is working on blank #2.
[05:33:08] <Aero-Tec> cool
[05:33:13] <Aero-Tec> now I follow
[05:33:20] <Aero-Tec> had me lose there for a bit
[05:33:27] <KimK> No problem.
[05:33:57] <Aero-Tec> the code is on a different machine
[05:34:16] <Aero-Tec> it is connected to the net
[05:34:39] <Aero-Tec> but not sure how to get code to you if your still wanting to look at it
[05:34:54] <Aero-Tec> it is messy messy code
[05:35:01] <KimK> If you can do a copy and paste to pastebin.com, that would be great.
[05:35:02] <Aero-Tec> set up for mach
[05:35:52] <Aero-Tec> it was nice but all my mods and messing with it made it look like.....you know what
[05:37:24] <KimK> No problem, I or someone else should be able to give you some advice. (I hope, lol!)
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[05:39:57] <Aero-Tec> KimK: ok posted now what?
[05:40:09] <Aero-Tec> how can you see it?
[05:40:15] <KimK> Just give us the link
[05:40:32] <Aero-Tec> can you search tital?
[05:40:51] <KimK> I suppose I could look at "recent posts" or something.
[05:40:52] <Aero-Tec> title
[05:41:01] <KimK> I'll look
[05:41:05] <Aero-Tec> will have to see what the link is
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[05:41:17] <Aero-Tec> emc gcode
[05:41:25] <Aero-Tec> that is the title
[05:42:07] <Aero-Tec> upper case
[05:42:18] <KimK> Sorry, I wasn't fast enough. The "recent posts" scrolls off in under 1 minute, lol!
[05:42:29] <KimK> I'll wait for your link
[05:42:29] <Aero-Tec> in case it is case sensitive
[05:42:56] <KimK> Or you can just post it again if you closed that window
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[05:43:54] <KimK> No extra charge for "wasting" a pastebin page, lol
[05:44:51] <KimK> As Jay leno used to say about those crunchy snacks, "Eat all you want, we'll make more!"
[05:45:59] <alex4nder> hey
[05:46:11] <KimK> hey back
[05:49:18] <KimK> Aero-Tec: Are you able to get your g-code re-posted?
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[05:51:56] <Aero-Tec> setting up chatzilla on CNC machine
[05:51:57] <KimK> Aero-Tec: Oh, wait, I think I found it. Is this it? http://pastebin.com/nRqCynp7
[05:52:43] <Aero-Tec> yes
[05:52:52] <KimK> Yes, Chatzilla is a pretty popular option
[05:53:05] <Aero-Tec> sorry for making you look it up like that
[05:53:50] <Aero-Tec> problem when you running win and linux and have not set up the network yet
[05:54:20] <Aero-Tec> also sorry for the messy code
[05:54:33] <Aero-Tec> it looked and worked great in mach
[05:54:41] <KimK> No problem. This is a lathe you're running here?
[05:54:51] <Aero-Tec> yes
[05:54:55] <KimK> OK
[05:55:23] <Aero-Tec> lathe = 1 is in the INI as well
[05:55:27] <Aero-Tec> I checked
[05:55:51] <Aero-Tec> not sure how to do backlash yet
[05:55:57] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[05:55:58] <Aero-Tec> will have to read up on it
[05:56:07] <Aero-Tec> hi
[05:56:19] <Aero-Tec> night here, ready for bed
[05:56:33] <Aero-Tec> just shy of 11pm
[05:57:42] <Aero-Tec> mach and emc have very different Gcode
[05:57:57] <KimK> Later than that here, so you're right, I should look at it later. We can talk more tomorrow.
[05:58:27] <Aero-Tec> sounds good
[05:58:41] <KimK> OK, goodnight
[05:58:43] <Aero-Tec> got a doc appointment tomorrow morn
[05:58:56] <Aero-Tec> not sure when I will get back
[05:59:14] <Aero-Tec> so it may be later in the day
[05:59:28] <KimK> Probably true for me too.
[05:59:48] <Aero-Tec> Kwill you be around all day?or most of it?
[06:00:08] <KimK> Afternoon and evening, probably
[06:00:16] <Aero-Tec> ok
[06:00:29] <Aero-Tec> thanks for the help
[06:00:35] <KimK> You bet
[06:01:01] <Aero-Tec> night
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[06:50:20] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[09:30:13] <Thiel> hi all i lost my /etc/emc2/rtapi.conf
[09:30:38] <Thiel> is there a file around in the git or somewhere i cant find it
[09:31:17] <Thiel> i did a update only emc2 from synaptic
[09:31:51] <Thiel> 2.4.6 it ais the error screan says 2.4.7
[09:34:34] <Thiel> someone can post me his
[09:35:05] <Thiel> arend ther files in a git or on sourceforce tree
[09:36:15] <Thiel> someone around
[09:37:51] <alex_joni> sure, jas
[09:38:57] <Thiel> do you have a rtap running ?
[09:39:11] <Thiel> i B)
[09:40:03] <Thiel> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;hb=1f30f27f1b32d9fbbb3bfab5a3b4ce26a1d1954f
[09:40:11] <Thiel> there shoudt be the file
[09:41:36] <Thiel> no nowhere around and a new install does not add this file
[09:47:11] <Thiel> kernel is 2.6.32-122-rtai
[09:48:24] <alex_joni> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=scripts/rtapi.conf.in;h=8f58f22422f622fbb5433c9fb93705593825187c;hb=HEAD
[09:48:40] <alex_joni> the problem is that file is before it gets generated
[09:48:42] <Thiel> Thanks
[09:48:55] <alex_joni> so it won't help much ;).. but there should be one in the latest deb
[09:49:00] <alex_joni> are you on 10.04 ?
[09:49:28] <Thiel> yes
[09:49:32] <alex_joni> i386
[09:49:36] <Thiel> yes
[09:49:54] <alex_joni> http://linuxcnc.org/dists/lucid/emc2.4/binary-i386/
[09:50:03] <alex_joni> the deb is there : http://linuxcnc.org/dists/lucid/emc2.4/binary-i386/emc2_2.4.7_i386.deb
[09:50:11] <alex_joni> you can download it, and rename it to .gz
[09:50:19] <alex_joni> then you can unpack it, and extract what file you want
[09:50:34] <Thiel> ok
[09:51:36] <alex_joni> you can also do something simpler
[09:51:51] <alex_joni> dpkg -x emc2_2.4.7_i386.deb foo
[09:52:04] <alex_joni> that extracts the contents into the foo/ folder
[09:52:49] <alex_joni> here's the file btw: http://uploads.robcon.ro/rtapi.conf
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[09:54:40] <Thiel> yes it works
[09:54:45] <Thiel> THANKS
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[12:58:22] <Geissler> Mobile test
[13:01:21] <DJ9DJ> error: test failed
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[13:21:44] <jthornton> FATAL ERROR: Reboot Required, size 10 suggested
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[14:03:16] <crazy_imp> heyho
[14:03:56] <crazy_imp> i want to mirror the y axis inside my gcode file - any ideas how to do this? :)
[14:04:16] <crazy_imp> ("flip" the part")
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[14:05:23] <cradek> there's no support for mirroring in linuxcnc's gcode dialect
[14:05:47] <crazy_imp> dang :(
[14:06:05] <crazy_imp> so i'm of to mirror my machines axis in the emc config?
[14:06:34] <cradek> yes that would work, but be careful with jogging, homing, etc
[14:06:50] <cradek> better to regenerate your gcode
[14:07:01] <crazy_imp> hand written, don't want to
[14:08:43] <cradek> if it's had written and simple enough, you could flip all the signs on your Y words, but beware arcs etc
[14:08:55] <cradek> how hard it is really depends on the gcode
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[14:10:32] <crazy_imp> i know, but it's no fun with the relative moves in between and variables (so you don't know the sign until you do a walk-through yourself)
[14:15:49] <cradek> I agree that doesn't sound fun
[14:16:08] <jdhNC> I did some 90/180 rotations yesterday trying to fit parts on some stock. The 90/270 was really confusing.
[14:16:13] <cradek> you can make your handwritten code mirrorable in the future if you expect to do this
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[14:30:04] <alex_joni> crazy_imp: maybe you could try http://code.google.com/p/grecode/
[14:31:14] <crazy_imp> alex_joni: will give it a try next time :)
[14:31:28] <crazy_imp> right now it's running with setp parport.0.pin-03-out-invert 1
[14:32:20] <cradek> haha, yay for open loop machines
[14:32:30] <JT-Shop> alex_joni: cool
[14:37:02] <JT-Shop> the test files are all .ngc
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[15:06:40] <ctjctj> JT-Shop: Good morning. You here? Got a fix for the docs. just before section 11.3.1 Default coordinate system the G59.2 and G59.3 examples are wrong as they have "G59 .2" (extra spaces)
[15:07:04] <ctjctj> Is there any way to go to a modal absolute? Is there anyway to make g38.2 use absolute coordenates?
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[15:09:19] <ctjctj> Also, I attempted to name a file "zerotool.ngc" and access it via "ozerotool call" and "o<zerotool> call" both failed. renaming the file to 100.ngc and using "o100 call" works. V2.5
[15:09:57] <cradek> g53 g38.2 isn't supported, but you can use any unoffset spare coordinate system to do the equivalent
[15:10:13] <cradek> g10 l2 p9 x0 y0 z0
[15:10:17] <cradek> g59.3 g38.2 ...
[15:11:02] <ctjctj> cradek: should it work? I know it doesn't work now but should it work? g59.3 is model so I'll have to change the coordinate system back at the end?
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[15:11:47] <cradek> I think it would be nice if g53 g38.2 was supported
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[15:11:56] <cradek> and yes you are right that g59.3 is modal
[15:12:30] <ctjctj> #1000=#5220
[15:12:31] <ctjctj> g10 L2 P9 x0 y0 z0
[15:12:33] <ctjctj> g59.3
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[15:12:35] <ctjctj> ...
[15:12:37] <ctjctj> #5220=#1000
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[15:13:23] <ctjctj> Hmmm, just realized I should be using #1-#30 for my subroutine. That way there are no side effects.
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[15:20:10] <skunkworks> could you add a b axis and rotate the
[15:20:15] <skunkworks> 1
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[15:27:08] <skunkworks> heh
[15:27:10] <skunkworks> that was random
[15:28:10] <ctjctj> Yes it was. And since I was the last to talk code I was trying to determine what the b axis had to do with anything.
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[16:00:52] <JT-Shop> ctjctj: just stepped back in
[16:01:03] <JT-Shop> thanks for the heads up on the docs
[16:12:35] <jthornton> ctjctj, that seems to be something to do with the PDF generated docs as the base file looks good and the HTML file looks good as well...
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[16:19:29] <Connor> Was just trying to cut threads using the mill...
[16:19:42] <Connor> It would cut a few passes okay.. but then loose sync or something and mess up the threads..
[16:20:10] <Connor> but I'm not sure if it's backlash in the Z, or the sync is off.. or what..
[16:20:43] <Connor> I have to say though, after using my mill manually for all this time, watching it do something on it's own is just damn cool. especially on a process I couldn't possible do manually.
[16:20:54] <Connor> Any ideas on what to check ?
[16:24:25] <cradek> what are you using for spindle feedback?
[16:24:56] <Connor> Using 16 count RPM output.
[16:26:08] <ReadError> is there such thing as a pair of "software calipers" ?
[16:26:18] <ReadError> like where you can measure stuff in the gcode
[16:27:15] <cradek> not sure what you mean
[16:27:29] <Connor> Me ? or ReadError ? :)
[16:27:32] <cradek> Connor: you mean a 16 slot encoder?
[16:27:38] <Connor> Yea.
[16:28:27] <cradek> is it homemade? does it work reliably?
[16:28:43] <Connor> No, it's no home made. it's Stock.
[16:28:55] <Connor> Although, I did have to replace the Slot sensor...
[16:29:04] <skunkworks> does the software encoder counter allow for simulated index now?
[16:29:08] <cradek> the most obvious way threads would get screwed up is if the feedback is bogus
[16:29:10] <Connor> but, as far as I know it looks reliable.
[16:29:30] <cradek> what kind of testing have you done?
[16:29:57] <Connor> I'm still tuning the machine in, so, I wasn't sure were to start looking.. Back lash could cause the issue too could it not ?
[16:30:52] <cradek> no idea. I don't know what problem you've seen, all you said is "loose sync"
[16:31:08] <cradek> even assuming you mean "lose sync" :-) I don't know what you mean exactly
[16:31:41] <cradek> are you using g76? does it cut at the wrong pitch or in the wrong place or what?
[16:31:42] <Connor> Well.. I mean, it doesn't cut the threads in the same place every time.
[16:31:58] <cradek> tell us about your spindle encoder
[16:32:13] <Connor> I was using the sample gcode if found in the samples directory.
[16:32:28] <pcw_home> Can you mark one slot and verify that (raw_counts mod 16 ) is always the same when you cross that slot?
[16:33:30] <cradek> correct pitch at the wrong place seems like a problem with bogus index, but pcw's test is a great idea too
[16:33:41] <cradek> run the spindle for a while and see if your count still makes sense
[16:34:04] * skunkworks wonders if he has an index....
[16:34:32] <Connor> Will be hard to watch.. it moves pretty fast. :)
[16:34:40] <cradek> tell us about your spindle encoder
[16:34:40] <Connor> Gimme a second to look up the sensor..
[16:36:55] <pcw_home> I mean run it a while and the turn off the spindle drive and turn spindle by hand to verify the encoder is still "in sync"
[16:37:14] <Connor> pcw_home: Ahh. I can do that.
[16:37:46] <Connor> I can't find the part # for the sensor.. but the spindle has a still disk with 16 HOLES (not slots) drilled around it.
[16:37:56] <Connor> 1 slot sensor.
[16:38:28] <cradek> ok what are you using for index then?
[16:38:36] <Connor> I have it wired up to pin 15 on my BOB. Using a 220ohm resistor on the 5v.. (Thought it was build in on the sensor, that's how I blew it first time)
[16:39:39] <Connor> I have to have a index in addition?
[16:41:24] <cradek> skunkworks is a mindreader
[16:41:27] <cradek> yes you need index
[16:41:43] <cradek> without index it won't even move, so now I am baffled as to what you're doing
[16:42:11] <Connor> Let me go look at the HAL config. back in a min
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[16:44:08] <Connor_CNC> net parport_10_in parport.0.pin-10-in => encoder.0.phase-A => encoder.0.phase-Z
[16:44:33] <Connor_CNC> I'm guessing that's how it's moving.. index is tied to A.
[16:44:52] <Tom_itx> ReadError, think touch probe
[16:45:45] * JT-Shop hears a nap calling my name
[16:45:45] <cradek> then you're telling it that all positions are zero, no wonder passes don't line up
[16:46:16] <cradek> but if you want randomized 16-start threads you're all set
[16:46:30] <JT-Shop> 16 to 1 chance of getting it right... better than the lottery
[16:46:36] * Tom_itx steals the nap from JT-Shop and uses it
[16:46:46] <Connor> That explains why it worked sometimes.. :)
[16:46:47] <JT-Shop> arrrrggg
[16:47:14] <pcw_home> well if it counts right a simulated index should work
[16:47:15] <Connor> okay, looking at the encoder ring, I don't see a easy way to add a Index.
[16:47:32] <jdhNC> hall sensor off an old floppy and the magnet.
[16:47:34] <cradek> do you see a hard way?
[16:47:35] <Tom_itx> drill another hole in it and add a sensor
[16:48:03] <jdhNC> file a notch in the ring and mount another sensor near the edge?
[16:48:42] <Connor> I'm trying to unserstand why they needed 16 holes for just a simple RPM sensor..
[16:48:46] <Connor> understand.
[16:49:02] <jdhNC> 16 is better than one
[16:49:03] <cradek> threading requires position feedback, not rpm
[16:49:23] <Connor> Right. but you can get both.. From index can you not ?
[16:49:33] <jdhNC> can you add a mod16 via hal?
[16:50:23] <cradek> if you assume that the spindle speed never varies, you can guess the approximate position with only an index
[16:50:39] <cradek> if you only need approximate threads that can sort of work
[16:51:13] <pcw_home> but with varying loads and a light spindle it may work very poorly
[16:51:15] <cradek> if the lathe is small, speed varies a lot cutting vs not cutting
[16:51:39] <cradek> yes very poorly. I've seen some threads cut that way and they looked bad to the naked eye, no measuring needed
[16:52:26] <Connor> okay, so I need a encoder with A and index..
[16:52:46] <cradek> and if you want to tap, you need A/B/index
[16:53:12] <jdhNC> for now, another sensor and a single notch would work?
[16:53:20] <cradek> yes
[16:53:53] <cradek> also consider that adding B channel to this wheel will give you 64 instead of 16 counts per rev
[16:54:02] <cradek> assuming it has 50% duty cycle
[16:54:11] <pcw_home> I think a simulated index would be OK too as long as you know its limitations
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[16:55:09] <cradek> possibly, IF it counts reliably, I'd want to test
[16:55:35] <jdhNC> in Autocad, can you enter dimensions for a line in mm if you are doing a drawing in inches?
[16:55:36] <cradek> (and I'm not sure how you'd implement fake-index.)
[16:55:47] <Tom_itx> jdhNC i doubt it
[16:56:09] <pcw_home> rawcounts mod encoder count = 0
[16:56:56] <pcw_home> just dont restart LinuxCNC and expect to resume a threading session
[16:57:11] <cradek> sure I see that part of it, but index-enable pins are R/W so it's a bit complicated to set up and may not be possible with existing hal components strung together
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[16:57:35] <pcw_home> Yeah it probably needs its own comp
[16:57:42] <cradek> seems like it might be something you'd need to add to the software encoder component
[16:58:03] <pcw_home> Yeah that would be best
[16:58:50] <jdhNC> Connor: I have a 1000 line encoder I wanted to use on mine, but no clue how to mount it.
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[17:01:06] <Tom_itx> jdhNC, go in Options, Preferences and change it to metric
[17:01:12] <Tom_itx> then switch it back if you want
[17:01:42] <Tom_itx> in my ver it's listed under 'international'
[17:03:51] <jdhNC> I've been using Draftsight instead, it doesnt' take 10 minutes to startup
[17:04:25] <Tom_itx> mine doesn't either
[17:05:20] <jdhNC> older version?
[17:05:25] <Tom_itx> yeah
[17:05:55] <jdhNC> I got a 13 month .edu license thing for all autodesk, but it expires shortly.
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[17:06:19] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[17:14:41] <jdhNC> Connor: do you have a template for the 3-bolt head thing?
[17:15:03] <Connor> jdhNC: Somewhere.
[17:15:11] <jdhNC> is it online somewhere?
[17:15:22] <Connor> I think it's on the zone or g0704.com somewhere under his projects.
[17:16:15] <jdhNC> the nut was gone from my single bolt.
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[17:24:34] <Connor> jdhNC: Really? That's not cool.
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[17:25:33] <jdhNC> the head tilted as I moved sideways.
[17:25:50] <jdhNC> it is only held in place by bolt pressure?
[17:27:05] <Connor> Yup.
[17:27:26] <Connor> Well.. a set screw too.
[17:27:36] <Connor> you can pull the head off without removing the set screw.
[17:28:03] <jdhNC> can or can't?
[17:28:08] <Connor> can't
[17:28:27] <Connor> It's on the right hand side of the head.
[17:29:17] <jdhNC> I tried putting an M16 coupling nut on the Z shaft to make a shaft coupler. If it tightned it at all against the top jam nut, Z movement got way too stiff.
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[17:30:36] <Connor> It's moving the bottom jam nut too.. You need to use spanner wrench to hold bottom jam nut as you tighten up the shaft coupler.
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[17:31:04] <Connor> I had the same issue.. which is why I had to make 2 wrenches.. to adjust the "preload" so to speak.
[17:31:10] <Connor> was a pain in the a$$
[17:32:45] <jdhNC> I'm just going to wait for the ballscrew to get here.
[17:32:50] <Connor> I CNCed two of them out by making a single pass gcode file.. and adjusting the Z manually.. was kind of odd.
[17:33:02] <Connor> but, it worked. :)
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[17:39:43] <roycroft> i don't have any cnc gear yet - i'm just getting that stuff going
[17:39:53] <roycroft> so i make my spanner wrenches with a bandsaw and a grinder
[17:44:16] <Connor> roycroft: ?? You converting a 704 too ?
[17:44:41] <roycroft> no, but i need spanner wrenches for other things
[17:45:00] <roycroft> i put new bearings in my mini-lathe, for example
[17:46:05] <jdhNC> found a jpeg of the template and redrew/plotted it.
[17:48:03] <ctjctj> excuse me for an out of band question: I just received my round nose 1/8 bit and I miss read so they have 3/8" shanks which of course don't fit any of the colletts I currently have. Can somebody give me a URL to a place that sells 1/8 round nose bits 1/8 shank? Thank you
[17:48:43] <jdhNC> ctj: mcmaster has them. As do most places like that.
[17:48:45] <cradek> I'd think those are easy to find in solid carbide
[17:49:11] <ctjctj> thanks.
[17:49:23] <archivist> getting a collet would be a good idea too
[17:49:45] <Connor> http://www.precisebits.com/gateways/EndMillsHome.htm
[17:49:49] <ctjctj> archivist: Oh I agree. I do agree. But I just spent my budget on 1/8 collet.
[17:49:55] <cradek> if you want cheap import stuff, try use-enco.com
[17:50:21] <Connor> They have a $50.00 min order.. someone else sells them too without the minimum.. Don't recall who..
[17:51:16] <cradek> if you want good, maritool makes nice carbide tools
[17:51:48] <cradek> $5.99: http://www.maritool.com/Cutting-Tools-End-Mills-Ball-End-Mills-2-Flute-Single-End-Uncoated/c78_79_119_199/p1550/1/8-SE-Carbide-Ball-End-Mill-2-Flute-Uncoated-.500-LOC/product_info.html
[17:52:29] <IchGuckLive> i yust got informed that you folks helped today my secondForeman out of a miss with the rtapi.conf THANKS on that
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[17:52:53] <ctjctj> cradek: and that is why I asked. Thank you so much. Order going in right now.
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[17:54:47] <ctjctj> As well as the rest of the answers.
[17:57:37] <Connor> Does it matter where the index is in relation to the A/B ?
[17:57:42] <JT-Shop> I get all my collets and tool holders from Marris
[17:58:13] <Connor> I think I can notch one of those holes in the encoder disk and add a 2nd sensor further out..
[17:58:33] <JT-Shop> and get all my carbide tooling from http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/
[18:00:39] <ctjctj> Thank you JT-Shop. Is there any reason not to allow G53 to work with G38.x straight probe?
[18:10:16] <Aero-Tec> KimK: you around?
[18:11:06] <JT-Shop> ctjctj: lakeshore has a min order of $35
[18:11:21] <ctjctj> Not hard to reach. *grin*
[18:12:46] <Aero-Tec> got back from the doc, but caught the flew or something, had a horrible night, did not enjoy going to the doc
[18:13:04] <Aero-Tec> I will try to get back later today and see if your around
[18:13:35] <Aero-Tec> just a heads up
[18:16:15] <IchGuckLive> Get well aero
[18:16:28] <IchGuckLive> by for my Tschau
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[18:52:27] <alex4nder> hey
[18:54:39] <Jymmm> Barly
[18:55:13] <alex4nder> sup Jymmm
[18:56:28] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Not too much, trying to figure out how 'hanks of rope' are made.
[18:56:36] <alex4nder> ok
[18:56:40] <alex4nder> did you end up buying a board?
[18:56:50] <Jymmm> board?
[18:56:54] <Jymmm> wood? pcb?
[18:57:04] <alex4nder> motherboard.. for your new machine
[18:57:12] <Jymmm> oh, no.
[18:57:16] <alex4nder> I got mine buttoned up.. I'm going to try for 100 IPM on X and Y today
[18:57:58] <Jymmm> cool, the mobo was initially for a newer NAS box, but would also test for latency
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[18:58:22] <alex4nder> the N2800 with isolcpus seems legit.
[18:58:55] <Jymmm> Yeah, the Jet one has 6x sata ports
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[19:37:46] <Tom_itx> Jymmm you never wound rope?
[19:38:14] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: coil rope, yes. but not a hank by machine
[19:38:32] <Tom_itx> oh
[19:38:42] <Tom_itx> there's a shop here that has wire winders i got to see once
[19:38:58] <Tom_itx> then it went thru an extruder for the jacket and straight into a bath of cooling water
[19:39:17] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I got the coil by mahcine down, but it's winding it around the coil that I can't figure out
[19:39:38] <Tom_itx> you've seen a coil winder?
[19:39:45] <Tom_itx> it's woven around it
[19:39:50] <Jymmm> just a wire one at the store
[19:40:05] <Tom_itx> think a dozen spools on a big machine
[19:40:17] <Tom_itx> all winding in a particular sequence
[19:40:28] <Jymmm> I'm not making rope, just repackaging it from a spool
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[19:56:04] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: for hose they are called knitters
[19:59:06] <Tom_itx> same principle i think
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[20:00:34] <JT-Shop> yea I think so, bunch of small spools twirling about and the whole thing twirling about around the hose
[20:01:22] <Tom_itx> it was interesting to watch the process go from that machine thru the extruder that put the jacket on it
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[20:05:37] <JT-Shop> the local Gates makes radiator hoses and that is a neat process but it stinks a bit in there
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[20:54:12] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:10:59] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Is there a simple speech module that could iface with an arduino easily? It could just hold/playback a library of (pre recorded) MP3's.
[21:11:55] <r00t4rd3d> whats the best type of wire connectors
[21:13:51] <roycroft> the ones that work best for your application :)
[21:14:32] <r00t4rd3d> stepper motor leads, I need them longer
[21:15:05] <r00t4rd3d> so I am going to have to use some type of connector but in my experience, most crimp type connectors suck
[21:15:30] * Jymmm chuckles
[21:16:01] <ctjctj> r00t4rd3d: one of the standards is to use a db9 style. You can solder or crimp a db9 male on the stepper motor leads.
[21:16:26] <ctjctj> You can buy db9 extender cables almost anywhere and almost any length.
[21:17:27] <ctjctj> Having just done this I started with solder cups but my eye sight is bad enough and I don't have a third hand vice any more so I managed it very badly. Went back and used crimp on connectors with just a drop of solder to hold the wire in the connector.
[21:18:00] <Jymmm> cjdavis: Just FYI... solder + crimp == BAD
[21:18:10] <r00t4rd3d> The db9 connectors wont really do me any good, TB6560
[21:18:21] <Jymmm> cjdavis: the solder makes the wire brittle and prone to breaking.
[21:18:35] <r00t4rd3d> I can solder very well
[21:18:43] <roycroft> quality crimp connectors, properly crimped, are generally better than soldered connections
[21:18:50] <roycroft> especially in conditions where the connector is subject to vibration
[21:18:55] <ctjctj> Jymmm: ctjctj says "I put the solder in the crimp. Doesn't cause that issue.
[21:19:02] <roycroft> for the very reason jymmm mentioned just above
[21:19:47] <ctjctj> But I'll take your word for it. Hate doing connections like this anyway.
[21:19:48] <Jymmm> ctjctj: Well, I hope it works for you. It hasn't for others over the years.
[21:20:06] <ctjctj> Jymmm: Thank you for your warning. It is something I'll look for. :-(
[21:20:20] <Jymmm> I have crimps so string that you will break the wire before you'll ever get it out of the connector.
[21:20:36] <Jymmm> s/string/strong/
[21:20:47] <ctjctj> Jymmm: *grins* Wish I could say the same. (ex, vi, or emacs?)
[21:20:51] <Jymmm> It just takes the right crimpers is all
[21:20:52] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Solderless-Wire-Quick-Splice-Connectors-18-22-Ga-/190502621175?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5ad74ff7
[21:20:57] <r00t4rd3d> think i am going to use them
[21:21:40] <Jymmm> ctjctj: most aren't willing to invest in a good pair of crimpers is usually the reason
[21:23:01] <ctjctj> I'm still very new to this. Working my way through lots of things. One of the STUPIDS I did was I needed a 6 wire PCB connector on 0.2in centers. I found a really neat pluggable. That was 4 years ago. 6 weeks ago the JGRO came to life and I can not find part numbers for that connector so I'm faking motion-in and no home/limit switches yet.
[21:23:53] <ctjctj> Jymmm: I agree with you. The work crimpers I've bought over the years have always been the best I could afford. This is still "hobby" for the wife so no such luck in investing in expensive tools.
[21:24:01] <Jymmm> ctjctj: For crimp-on connectors, this is THE BEST damn pair of crimpers I've ever had... http://www.tnb.com/ps/fulltilt/index.cgi?part=WT111M
[21:24:44] <Jymmm> ctjctj: IIRC Snap-o makes a pair sorta-kinda like them, but not the same thing.
[21:25:13] <Jymmm> There are copies of them in home depot too, but not the same thing.
[21:25:21] <ctjctj> bookmarked. Thank you.
[21:25:39] <Jymmm> ctjctj: ~ $49 USD
[21:26:18] <r00t4rd3d> I just use my teeth
[21:26:23] <Jymmm> ctjctj: FWIW, I also have the fancy ratcheting type of crimpers too, but I still like those the best.
[21:26:42] <Jymmm> ratcheting ~= $120 USD
[21:28:51] <ctjctj> can somebody identify the green plastic header on this board? https://plus.google.com/u/0/110631207635469909107/posts/VLUKnT7UUQ3
[21:29:35] <r00t4rd3d> looks like the same connectors on a TB6560
[21:29:38] <ctjctj> And yes, it is that crude right now. The cable is soldered to the bottom of the board to ground and pin15 so that I can do touch plates.
[21:29:51] <gene__> hal question: how can I take an output signal to two outputs?
[21:30:29] <gene__> Is this in the man someplace?
[21:31:35] <Jymmm> ctjctj: Heh, cool... I JSUT called T&B and they said those have a lifetime warranty on them
[21:31:57] <ctjctj> The crimpers? coolness.
[21:32:18] <Jymmm> ctjctj: Yeah, she said just send them in and they'll send out a new tool
[21:32:47] <Jymmm> ctjctj: I've worn out the cutters on the end of mine.
[21:33:38] <ctjctj> Many years ago I was working on my 1967 VW van and needed to take a nut off the wheel. I put a craftsman 1/2 breaker bar on the socket and tried to move that damn nut. No go. Put a cheater bar on the breaker bar (6 ft long) jumped on it. Broke the breaker bar.
[21:33:57] <ctjctj> Drove over to sears, walked in to get replacement. In the parking lot I broke that one too.
[21:34:11] <ctjctj> Back in for another exchange. Went through 4 bars before that nut came off.
[21:34:20] <ctjctj> (LH thread don't you know)
[21:35:02] <Jymmm> ctjctj: not your fault their tools break
[21:35:30] <Jymmm> thats why I like some craftsman tools, espeically on a sunday around 4pm
[21:35:53] <ctjctj> It is when I'm thinking it's a RH thread. *GRIN* But it was replaced. Only had one person have problems with a "for life" warrentee on a hand tool.
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[21:36:16] <Jymmm> you had a problem?
[21:36:41] <ctjctj> I was cutting LOTS of spring tempered 0640 stainless steel wire. Using channel lock heavy duty wire cutters. The very tip broke of making the tool useless.
[21:36:52] <Jymmm> It's not a lifetime warranty, it's a satisfaction warranty
[21:37:06] <Jymmm> seriously
[21:37:10] <ctjctj> Went in to get the free replacement and the counter person said "It still works, it isn't really broken, no replacement"
[21:37:52] <Jymmm> ctjctj: Just remember that if you ever have any issues
[21:37:55] <ctjctj> I took the tool, went to their display of vices. Put the tool in the vice, picked up a 20# sledge from a near by display, taped the took, "crack" handle is in two parts. Walked back to the counter guy with both parts and said "Its broken"
[21:38:11] <ctjctj> Not sears. Some tool place in Lansing Michigan many many years ago.
[21:38:16] <Jymmm> ah
[21:38:29] <ctjctj> Counter guy gave me the replacement tool with his mouth hanging open....
[21:38:37] <Jymmm> lol
[21:38:43] <Jymmm> did he see you do it?
[21:38:56] <ctjctj> Oh yeah. I was maybe 15ft from him doing it.
[21:39:10] <ctjctj> If he didn't give me the tool I was no worse off than I was before.
[21:39:34] <Jymmm> I dont get it, wth ppl are so worried about replacing lifetime warranty stuff
[21:39:42] <Jymmm> its not their money
[21:39:42] <ctjctj> I was going through a pair about every two-three weeks (something about cutting 20,000 links)
[21:40:06] <ctjctj> I don't get it either. But sometimes they are just snarky.
[21:41:30] <ctjctj> Are those TB6560 stepper drivers any good? At $79 it sounds almost reasonable. Though i'd prefer geko for the next go around.
[21:42:11] <Jymmm> I just bought a Buck Knives diamond sharpener yesterday for $15, It's just OEM'ed, but for the $4 more than the OEM version, I get a lifetime warranty on it
[21:43:11] <Jymmm> correction, 4-EVER Warranty =)
[21:44:55] <_ink> hm
[21:45:15] <_ink> any microcontroller programmers awake?
[21:48:41] <ctjctj> Ok, answered my own question, don't really want to do the TB6560 path...
[21:49:54] <Jymmm> ctjctj: I bet if you google the name of the board plus 'connector' you'll find it
[21:50:33] <Jymmm> a part number that is
[21:52:10] <KimK> Aero-Tec: Hi, I'm here for a few minutes on the phone. I'll be in and out.
[21:53:40] <ctjctj> Jymmm: looking.
[21:56:13] <Jymmm> KimK: Impressive... You're in IRC via phone, speech-to-text huh? lol
[21:57:30] <ctjctj> Jymmm: so far the answer has been "5 wire connectors" *GRIN*
[21:58:33] <roycroft> i definitely prefer crimped wire connectors to soldered ones
[21:59:16] <roycroft> with the caveat that one has to use high quality crimp connectors and the proper crimp tool
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[22:19:01] <Jymmm> roycroft: for crimp-ons, these are GREAT http://www.tnb.com/ps/fulltilt/index.cgi?part=WT111M
[22:19:21] <Jymmm> roycroft: have a lifetime warranty too I just found out. $50 USD
[22:19:32] <Jymmm> $49 USD on avg
[22:20:15] <Jymmm> ctjctj: then email the guy who makes the board and ask
[22:21:27] <Jymmm> roycroft: works good for insulated as well
[22:22:55] <jdhNC> we call them "those green phoenix connectors"
[22:23:05] <jdhNC> I have tons of them.
[22:24:19] <Jymmm> These are nice too http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=90F7777 had mine for years
[22:24:32] <jdhNC> those are good.
[22:24:48] <jdhNC> I got my StaKon crimpers at Home Depot. Same ones.
[22:25:06] <Jymmm> jdhNC: The home depot ones LOOK the same, but are different
[22:25:13] <Jymmm> jdhNC: I've checked =)
[22:25:37] <jdhNC> same ones
[22:26:31] <Jymmm> No, a bit different http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202959147/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=crimper&storeId=10051
[22:26:38] <jdhNC> mine are ~10-12 years old
[22:26:38] <ctjctj> Jymmm: Ummmm. The guy that put it together is part of an ID ten T issue. The problem exists between keyboard and chair. See he bought the connector at a shop in Baltimore. He now lives in NH and no longer has access to the shop to just walk in and pick up the right connector.
[22:26:57] <Jymmm> ctjctj: lol
[22:27:05] <Jymmm> ctjctj: try digikey then
[22:27:10] <ctjctj> I.e. I'm the one that picked the connector and plug but I can't find the plug after 4 years and 5 moves.
[22:27:10] <jdhNC> Uhm... those don't say StaKon
[22:27:42] <Jymmm> jdhNC: ok, you find em on the website =)
[22:27:45] <ctjctj> The problem is that I can't identify the connector type from the drawings I see. I'll go take another look and see if I get lucky.
[22:28:12] <jdhNC> ctj: 280868957965
[22:28:26] <jdhNC> or http://www.ebay.com/itm/280868957965
[22:28:30] <Jymmm> jdhNC: but if yours actually say 'Sta-Kon' I think thats a (r) name
[22:28:50] <jdhNC> Jymm: it is a registered trademark of Thomas & Betts
[22:28:56] <Jymmm> somebody needs a new camera or less boose
[22:29:08] <ctjctj> jdhNC: I think you are right! 6 pin version of those.
[22:29:34] <jdhNC> they are pretty much ubiquitous
[22:29:41] <Tom_itx> Jymmm is your vision blurred?
[22:30:03] <Jymmm> jdhNC: The funny thing, my newest BEST screwdriver is the cheapest ever and I can't find them anymore.
[22:30:14] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: the pics in that ebay listing are
[22:30:37] <Tom_itx> the screwdrivers look nice
[22:30:37] <jdhNC> there are some Klein crimpers that look like the StaKon's but different package.
[22:30:40] <Jymmm> jdhNC: Even over my Snap-on one
[22:30:59] <Tom_itx> snapon or bluepoint?
[22:31:00] <Jymmm> jdhNC: Maybe those are what I saw last I looked, the klines I mean.
[22:31:11] <Jymmm> snap-on
[22:31:28] <Jymmm> even the snap-on clones are different than that T&B ones
[22:31:56] <jdhNC> I have a Klein screwdriver I keep in my dive kit. has 2/each phillips/slotted. Not perfect, but easy to carry
[22:32:26] <Jymmm> jdhNC: I wish I had enough to let you try this one, I think you would like it
[22:33:00] <Jymmm> jdhNC: It's specifically the way the tips are made that just bite into the heads perfectly
[22:33:24] <Jymmm> without ripping them up
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[22:33:44] <jdhNC> gunsmithing screwdrivers do that (with the proper screws)
[22:33:47] <jdhNC> no taper
[22:34:00] <Jymmm> jdhNC: ah
[22:34:29] <Jymmm> I'd buy 5 more of these if I found just to have on hand.
[22:35:07] <Jymmm> It's one of those 6-in-1 jobs.
[22:35:28] <Jymmm> but this specific one does damn good surprisingly
[22:36:08] <jdhNC> I bought some 4-pin CB kind of type connectors for my steppers.
[22:36:29] <jdhNC> Need to find a clean way to mount a bulkhead connector on/by the mother though.
[22:36:45] <Jymmm> jdhNC: If you ever come across any that are "neon" colored handles, tryone out.
[22:36:58] <Jymmm> jdhNC: instead of nulkdhead, use the panel mount
[22:37:02] <Jymmm> bulhead
[22:37:09] <Jymmm> bulkhead
[22:37:24] <jdhNC> http://www.homanndesigns.com/store/images/IMG_004.jpg
[22:37:41] <jdhNC> that woudl be perfect, but my motors are slightly too big.
[22:37:45] <Jymmm> whats the black thing?
[22:38:09] <jdhNC> cover, also teh connector mounts in it.
[22:38:27] <jdhNC> http://homanndesigns.com/pics/IMG_007.jpg
[22:38:37] <Jymmm> jdhNC: you could try the mini-DIN connectors instead, but I dont know the mini diam
[22:38:52] <Jymmm> pin diam I mean
[22:39:25] <Jymmm> jdhNC: the male you have there is the panel mount, not the bulkhead mount.
[22:39:57] <jdhNC> looks about like what I bought. I just don't currently have a place to put them.
[22:40:14] <Jymmm> jdhNC: place?
[22:40:29] <Jymmm> what are you mounting them in?
[22:40:37] <jdhNC> a suitable place to mount the connector rigidly. I don't want wires dangling from the motor.
[22:41:00] <Jymmm> oh, heh. lol
[22:41:17] <Jymmm> Most steppers dont have the luxury of a cover.
[22:41:19] <jdhNC> those covers are 57mm and cheap. My motors are 60mm and the covers cost 3x as much
[22:41:27] <jdhNC> they are just add-ons.
[22:42:01] <Jymmm> most ust cable-tie the cable to the motor
[22:42:04] <Jymmm> just
[22:42:23] <jdhNC> I probably will, but that's so tacky.
[22:42:34] <jdhNC> might make something that snaps on to the motor mounts
[22:42:49] <ctjctj> I put an eye bolt near the motor, wire tie the cable there. Use that as my strain relief.
[22:42:56] <Jymmm> I used cable clamps on mine
[22:43:14] <Jymmm> just used the motor mount to fasten it down
[22:43:42] <jdhNC> maybe some shrink wrap on the leads would be enough to neaten it some.
[22:43:53] <ctjctj> jdhNC: It helps.
[22:44:00] <Jymmm> jdhNC: split loom tubing
[22:44:07] <jdhNC> I have 4 connector terminal blocks mounted below the steppers on my router
[22:44:31] <Jymmm> jdhNC: cheapest I've seen is at home depot too
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[22:45:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ping
[23:02:39] <r00t4rd3d> man i had my paint shop perfect, then I dropped a 3/8 nut.
[23:04:45] <r00t4rd3d> cost me 2 more days, 24 for the paint on it now to dry and 24 for the next coat.
[23:05:17] <r00t4rd3d> i need to keep a better grip on my nuts
[23:05:38] <ctjctj> Paint shop as in a place to pain or???
[23:05:56] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[23:06:01] <r00t4rd3d> -shop
[23:06:07] <r00t4rd3d> the internet has ruined me
[23:06:28] <r00t4rd3d> shop=job
[23:06:35] <ctjctj> s/pain/paint/
[23:06:45] <r00t4rd3d> s/shop/job
[23:07:03] <r00t4rd3d> whats the s mean anyway
[23:07:05] <r00t4rd3d> sorry?
[23:07:09] <r00t4rd3d> shit
[23:07:15] <ctjctj> Ok, now it makes sense. I was thinking you were finishing up your shop for painting and some how dropping a nut ruined it.
[23:07:40] <r00t4rd3d> no i was painting my table and dropped a nut in tacky paint and ruined it
[23:09:52] <ctjctj> The first ish unix editors were "ed" and later "ex" and they used command lines to edit. You saw the line you were editing with "p" and you could move the "point" along the line. "s" mean substitute. /xxx/ regular expression expressing what you are searching for in this line. /yyy/ what to replace it with. so 1,$s/ (.*ed)/$1s/g says from line 1 to end of file replace every word that ends with 'ed' with 's' (g means every occuran
[23:09:54] <ctjctj> ce on the line)
[23:10:31] <ctjctj> i.e fixed becomes fixs
[23:10:56] <jdhNC> also used in sed(1) and others
[23:11:05] <ctjctj> Oh, FYI regular expressions are considered "write only"
[23:11:38] <ctjctj> sed == Serial EDitor
[23:12:06] <ctjctj> the original "sed" was just a version of 'ed"
[23:12:19] <jdhNC> stream editor
[23:12:22] <ctjctj> and ed in turn was based in part on "teco" (I think I got that right"
[23:12:25] <ctjctj> yes, stream
[23:12:29] <ctjctj> my error.
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[23:13:44] <ctjctj> So when you see s/[sS]erial/stream/ you are seeing somebody say "I'm correcting the word and I'm a unix/linux person"
[23:13:54] <ctjctj> where as a windows person says "You know what I mean"
[23:15:07] <ctjctj> r00t4rd3d: more than you wanted to know?
[23:19:15] <r00t4rd3d> i went to the store and didnt read a line of it
[23:19:30] * ctjctj facepalm
[23:19:32] <r00t4rd3d> ahh pepsi
[23:20:07] <r00t4rd3d> now what did you say?
[23:21:28] <jdhNC> he said "nevermind"
[23:22:20] <r00t4rd3d> i dont see how a editor has anything to do with pain
[23:22:22] <r00t4rd3d> paint
[23:22:38] <PCW> This will clear things up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HE_3MsJ_PE
[23:22:52] <r00t4rd3d> if thats rick roll or some shit...
[23:23:32] <r00t4rd3d> i should have known
[23:23:39] <ReadError> you dropped a nut and its ruined?
[23:23:51] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[23:24:18] <r00t4rd3d> my paint job is ruined
[23:24:38] <r00t4rd3d> it chipped it
[23:25:11] <r00t4rd3d> i will lightly sand it after it dries and hopefully I can just touch it up
[23:25:39] <r00t4rd3d> but i have ocd so my light sand will probably be the palm sander down to bare wood again
[23:25:49] <ctjctj> Why were you juggling your nuts over the tacky paint job?
[23:26:07] <r00t4rd3d> I was fitting them to my rod
[23:26:25] <ctjctj> mine came pre fitted...
[23:26:50] <r00t4rd3d> I have a long rod so it has to be manual
[23:26:57] <Jymmm> ctjctj: That's kinda a person question don't ya think? And TMI, won't dn't need to know yours came prefitted or custom paint job!
[23:27:32] <ctjctj> *laughs*
[23:28:09] <Jymmm> =)
[23:28:46] <r00t4rd3d> OMG I JUST WON THE LOTTERY!
[23:28:54] <r00t4rd3d> $2
[23:30:35] <r00t4rd3d> im just using hardware store threaded rod
[23:30:57] <ctjctj> jdhNC: Your ebay find lead me to find the right connector at digikey. Thank you for helping to end a 2 week search.
[23:31:16] <r00t4rd3d> for those green connectors?
[23:31:22] <ctjctj> r00t4rd3d: yes.
[23:31:26] <r00t4rd3d> i have a bag of them
[23:31:36] <r00t4rd3d> i dont know the name of them thouhg
[23:31:39] <r00t4rd3d> though*
[23:32:11] <r00t4rd3d> plug in screw terminals
[23:32:14] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[23:32:24] <r00t4rd3d> whats the proper name digi calls them?
[23:32:41] <ctjctj> Jymmm: how come I feel you got the double entendre but r00t4rd3d did not?
[23:33:00] <r00t4rd3d> you mean talking about my nuts and rod?
[23:33:14] <r00t4rd3d> would you like to hold them and show me how to use them?
[23:33:28] <ctjctj> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&itemSeq=114221328&uq=634717499932221490
[23:33:40] <r00t4rd3d> Part not found.
[23:34:27] <ctjctj> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/1792799/277-1066-ND/260434
[23:34:44] <Jymmm> ctjctj: I'm a Professional Smartass? *shrug*
[23:34:56] <ctjctj> Jymmm: you and me both.
[23:35:03] <Jymmm> prove it!
[23:35:27] Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[23:35:28] * MrAsshole poops on ctjctj!
[23:35:31] MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[23:35:43] * ctjctj tries to dig out...
[23:36:04] <Jymmm> ctjctj: and yes, I DO own that nick =)
[23:36:17] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d: shouldnt you get it working then worry about paint?
[23:36:56] <ctjctj> I think I'll go out to the shop and see if I can get my zerotool G code subroutine to work correctly rather than shooting off all over the place.
[23:37:10] <Jymmm> again TMI
[23:37:14] <ctjctj> If I set #5220 to a number does it do the same s using a G54 type code?
[23:37:15] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, then i have to take it all apart again
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[23:37:25] <r00t4rd3d> ctjctj, http://i.imgur.com/LIDKd.jpg
[23:37:26] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[23:37:55] <ctjctj> r00t4rd3d: that's them. Just need the 6 pin version.
[23:40:05] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, I just ordered my last stepper today so I could not really do anything yet anyway
[23:40:39] <r00t4rd3d> i have to build my z axis too but I have all the parts , just need to do it.
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[23:41:15] <r00t4rd3d> i ordered all my wire and connectors today too
[23:41:57] <r00t4rd3d> my steppers come to 33 bucks shipped each, bastards
[23:43:18] <r00t4rd3d> i think i could have just bought a solid pre built aluminum frame for the amount I have into this already
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[23:53:37] <r00t4rd3d> check this guy out, forged his own wedding ring out a of meteorite http://imgur.com/a/ZjCaW#0
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