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[00:40:54] <cstop> archivist and all: per my question above regarding indexing errors. I realize now that in this digital age, Absolute moves cure a host of ills. Not something easily accomplished with dividing plates and sector arms. Thank you
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[01:15:13] <skunkworks_> pcw_home: :)
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/controller_computer_solutions/147097-galil_dmc-1050_controller_retrofit.html
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[01:25:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: jthornton
http://spoonforkbacon.com/2012/01/baked-egg-boats/
[01:30:08] <cstop> skunkworks Is the Mesa 5i25 and a 7i77 a good choice to retrofit a Commercial VMC? I admit bewilderment with all the options.
[01:38:08] <skunkworks_> cstop: what do you need? The 5i25 + 7i77 gives you 6 analog axis (6 +/-10v + 6 encoder counters) plus 48 isolated i/o. (plus it is very expandable)
[01:39:15] <skunkworks_> (mesa stuff is awesome)
[01:47:35] <cstop> That would seem to be enough. Present control is Sharnoa IV I don't have it in front of me, Just call it three axis/ plus a rotab and tool changer.
[01:48:14] <cstop> Presently no spindle encoder, just orientation for the TC. Something I would like to add.
[01:49:13] <cstop> You prefer Mesa over pico?
[01:49:28] <skunkworks_> I have only used mesa...
[01:49:52] <cstop> (Again, all these options are daunting for me to sort out
[01:50:57] <skunkworks_> I would take pci over printer port interface..
[01:51:36] <skunkworks_> (although mesa also has a printer port option)
[01:51:47] <cstop> Well, you must have done well to have a favorable impression. I was reading the Mesa literature, trying to understand the difference between the 5i20 and the 5i25. (two for one when it comes to $) Most of what was written was lost on me.
[01:53:12] <cstop> Does adding daughter cards to a pci "adder board" get cumbersome with ribbon cables running out of the PC chassis?
[01:53:31] <skunkworks_> heh - depends on how neat you are..
[01:54:07] <skunkworks_> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/panel/electricalbox.jpg
[01:54:25] <skunkworks_> that is 2 mesa 5i20's and a 7i33 and 7i48
[01:54:43] <Tom_itx> or don't use a pc chassis
[01:55:28] <cstop> how do you get the pci "slot" to the board?
[01:56:12] <cstop> in the case of no PC chassis
[01:57:07] <Tom_itx> just plug it in and figure out a way to support the tab
[01:57:08] <cstop> skunkworks What is the large black panel in the lower right of the upper section?
[01:57:50] <skunkworks_> 3 servo drives
[01:58:03] <cstop> Ahh yes, I see that now.
[01:59:08] <Jymmm> ...and no pandit for you!
[01:59:13] <Jymmm> NEXT!
[01:59:21] <Jymmm> (panduit)
[01:59:25] <cstop> you must have close to 48 I/O in that panel ;-)
[01:59:38] <skunkworks_> 96 ish
[02:00:19] <cstop> Ahh, tell me. Is the machine pictured more sophisticated than a "typical VMC?
[02:00:40] <Jymmm> It's just MORE MACHNE! lol
[02:01:05] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: has the Mui Macho Machine
[02:01:26] <cstop> does it serve afternoon tea?
[02:01:33] <skunkworks_> it is a large horizontal machining center
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/oldkandt.JPG
[02:01:56] <skunkworks_> pallets and all
[02:02:13] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: Man, you gettign a receding hairline in that pic.
[02:02:20] <skunkworks_> :)
[02:02:38] <cstop> All on EMC2?
[02:02:44] <skunkworks_> all!
[02:02:46] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: Hey, YOUR mahine is bigger than that?
[02:02:47] <skunkworks_> working awesome
[02:02:53] <cstop> Hats OFF!
[02:03:37] <cstop> Do you ever get attacked by wire harnesses while you dream?
[02:03:49] <skunkworks_> http://youtu.be/39q6kvrSBSk
[02:04:11] <sirhoax> what is that mechanism at the top?
[02:04:23] <skunkworks_> ^^
[02:04:57] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: CCW ?
[02:05:21] <sirhoax> holymotherof...
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[02:05:42] <sirhoax> that tool changer is no joke.
[02:05:51] <sirhoax> look like it could hold a jackhammer.
[02:05:58] <skunkworks_> gets the job done - 60 tools
[02:06:26] <sirhoax> dam. thats nice.
[02:06:27] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: But, can it drill a pcb =)
[02:06:49] <skunkworks_> have not try.. should be no issue
[02:06:53] <sirhoax> i'll be satisfied with 5-10 tool changer.
[02:06:54] <sirhoax> heh
[02:07:02] <sirhoax> but now its all manually changed.
[02:07:40] <cstop> And from what I see in the video, IT's a WOODIE"!
[02:08:19] <skunkworks_> heh - storage space ;)
[02:08:25] <cstop> The rapids seem quick
[02:08:34] <skunkworks_> just 200ipm
[02:08:40] <sirhoax> what kind of steppers are on that thing?
[02:08:45] <sirhoax> amperage usage etc.
[02:08:46] <cstop> I can't think that fast
[02:08:58] <skunkworks_> http://youtu.be/1a0YpKfSGE8
[02:09:18] <skunkworks_> http://youtu.be/jAcFeVlftrw
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[02:09:21] <cstop> they are servos yes?
[02:09:37] <sirhoax> like butter.
[02:10:55] <skunkworks_> yes - big ass servos
[02:11:33] <cstop> over 2 kw?
[02:11:49] <skunkworks_> http://youtu.be/QU_O_Z7Vv8c
[02:12:33] <skunkworks_> 6kw peak
[02:12:39] <sirhoax> heh. maybe you can make me an adapter for my ford van. want to change the engine. heh.
[02:13:08] <sirhoax> need a plate made. to adapt a mercedes diesel.
[02:13:13] <skunkworks_> the servos are drive limited (40A peak)
[02:13:22] <sirhoax> to the transmission.
[02:13:23] <sirhoax> heh.
[02:13:30] <sirhoax> my cnc can't do it.
[02:14:35] <skunkworks_> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/DSC_0242.JPG
[02:14:43] <cstop> Are the motors and drives matched? I have been trying to figure out a Yaskawa motor for about a week. Quat encoder and trapazoid but no resolvers
[02:16:32] <skunkworks_> nope - the servos are early 80's - the drives are reletivly current AMC
[02:16:36] <cstop> don't drop those on your toes
[02:18:41] <cstop> and so the current limit, still impressive performance
[02:19:21] <skunkworks_> A relatively inexpensive conversion (it was a bit of time because it initially had hydraulic servos)
[02:19:42] <skunkworks_> (again - am very happy with emc and mesa)
[02:19:47] <cstop> AMC's are 80Volt devices?
[02:20:06] <skunkworks_> these are 400v (but we are running 200v in)
[02:20:15] <skunkworks_> they make all kind
[02:20:31] <cstop> and may I ask, how did you apply the pair of 5i20's?
[02:21:08] <skunkworks_> what do you mean?
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[02:21:34] <cstop> well, is there a logical split of function and task?
[02:21:45] <skunkworks_> not really
[02:22:09] <cstop> one is as good as the other, just another pin assignment?
[02:22:16] <skunkworks_> yup
[02:22:24] <cstop> sounds good!
[02:23:53] <skunkworks_> we have a large old nc lathe that we are thinking of the 5i25 for.
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[02:25:07] <cstop> a logical start, the price tag is inviting
[02:25:47] <cstop> I think I paid $45 for a BoB
[02:27:21] <cstop> $90 for the 5i25 seems a bargin I may order one out soon.
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[02:32:03] <skunkworks_> This is stuff you could only dream of 20 years ago. (requiring a small mortgage)
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[02:35:30] <skunkworks_> for step generation and such - the bob would work fine with the 5i25
[02:36:20] <skunkworks_> (the 5i20 can emulate the pinout of 2 printer ports)
[02:37:10] <cstop> My thoughts. as well. S&D works well even with servo drives ;-)
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[02:37:43] <cstop> I did not know that about the 5i25
[02:37:44] <skunkworks_> yes - but if you go servos - go true closed loop
[02:37:52] <cstop> yes
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[02:38:23] <skunkworks_> it emulates the printer port but allows you to do high speed step gen and such...
[02:38:50] <cstop> Even as the technology becomes so available, It takes a going concern to keep these tools occupied.
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[02:39:29] <cstop> I hate to think of all the "router tables" pushed to the back of the garage serving as shelving for more clutter
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[02:39:52] <alex4nder-> that's a reason techshop is so enticing.
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[02:40:40] <cstop> I'm wondering "how bad" "latency" can be and still have the 5i2X out perform a rwa paraport
[02:40:45] <cstop> raw
[02:41:32] <cstop> alex4nder what is techshop?
[02:42:17] <Tom_itx> they have the tools you pay a fee to use them i think
[02:42:28] <Tom_itx> 'membership'
[02:42:31] <cstop> co-op
[02:42:52] <cstop> sounds hard on tools ;-)
[02:43:08] <Tom_itx> they check you out on them first
[02:43:08] <elmo40> sure does!
[02:43:40] <Tom_itx> some are set up where you bring your own cutters
[02:43:46] <alex4nder-> yup
[02:44:15] <alex4nder-> you can reserve time on a lot of different gear
[02:44:22] <Tom_itx> incentive not to screw up
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[02:44:44] <alex4nder-> but they make you go through classes (and pay for said classes) before you get anywhere near the hardware
[02:46:27] <cstop> I like the familiarity of my own hardware.
[02:46:32] <skunkworks_> latency can be worse.. you still want it to be well under 100us though...
[02:47:09] <cstop> what happens if it is high?
[02:47:35] <skunkworks_> you still need a solid 1ms servo thread.
[02:47:37] <cstop> does the magic smoke get out? ;-)
[02:47:51] <skunkworks_> it will not time things right
[02:48:13] <cstop> so cordinated moves become un-
[02:48:41] <cstop> curves and radius have notches in them?
[02:49:00] <skunkworks_> following error maybe
[02:49:16] <skunkworks_> you will get a realtime error..
[02:49:21] <cstop> no such thing with steppers ;-)
[02:49:45] <skunkworks_> sure there is
[02:49:55] <Valen> worse with steppers
[02:50:01] <cstop> RTE shut things down don't they?
[02:51:34] <cstop> now I'm puzzled, how can a stepper, without a closed loop, have a following error? What is it following?
[02:52:05] <skunkworks_> emc still 'closes the loop' with steppers - it is just interal to em
[02:52:09] <skunkworks_> lliunuxcnc
[02:52:32] <skunkworks_> you get an error - but may not stop things from running - they just may not run will...
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/atom/Screenshot-1.png
[02:52:44] <cstop> And if the 5i25 handles a g-code command as a point to point move, what is the negative side of a bit of jitter?
[02:53:13] <skunkworks_> no -
[02:55:22] <skunkworks_> 5i25 gets sent 'velocities' and sends back to linuxcnc 'positions' while linuxcnc keeps tweeking the velocities while reading the positions.. (that might not be a perfect explaination)
[02:56:02] <skunkworks_> it may be sending torque amounts or...
[02:56:24] <skunkworks_> whatever
[02:57:28] <skunkworks_> jitter effects how accurate the sent and received info is.
[02:58:42] <cstop> typical servo systems for machine tools run in velocity mode. That is, if the following error is large, the control tells the motor to speed up. both in +amd - directions.
[02:59:50] <cstop> I use "following error" not as a fault, but as the input that tells the servo to correct it's position. Perhaps "position difference" would be more acceptable.
[02:59:52] <skunkworks_> yes
[03:00:34] <skunkworks_> there is a limit to the error though - like my machine with estop if the following error is larger than .001"
[03:01:26] <cstop> yes, It would be informative to know just what that limit might be.
[03:02:19] <cstop> Skunk, what is that screen shot showing?
[03:03:55] <cstop> crap I just got outbid on a nice little servo motor with a resolver! ;-)
[03:04:23] <cstop> I wanted that resolver!
[03:07:04] <cstop> skunk your .001 restriction would seem overly constrained for a 4'X8' router table
[03:22:34] <skunkworks_> depends on what you need.. for a hmc it may be a bit large.. :)
[03:22:43] <skunkworks_> but it is adjustable by you
[03:32:44] <cstop> is that something in EMC?
[03:32:58] <cstop> I've not seen it
[03:33:25] <cstop> stuck in "stepgen"
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[03:44:13] <skunkworks_> look in the ini
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[04:00:10] <cstop> looking at the .ini of an example , I see {FERROR=1.270} and {MIN_FERROR =0.254}
[04:01:37] <cstop> What do those terms represent? This is the "stepper_mm.ini" file.
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[04:26:14] <skunkworks_> min error is the minimum following error (at very slow velocities) ferror is the maximum error at maximum velocity (G0 speeds) it is linear between the two errors
[04:27:22] <skunkworks_> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_config.html#sub:[AXIS]-section
[04:27:55] <Tom_itx> where do you get pulleys?
[04:28:02] <cstop> so error and programmed feed rate are not linked"
[04:28:51] <skunkworks_> cstop: ?
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[04:28:57] <skunkworks_> Tom_itx: ebay?
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[04:29:07] <Tom_itx> i can't think of the site...
[04:29:12] <Tom_itx> it's not sdp
[04:30:11] <skunkworks_> http://www.econobelt.com/
[04:30:14] <skunkworks_> that it?
[04:31:39] <Tom_itx> not the one i was thinking of
[04:31:51] <Tom_itx> i'm sure it will come to me eventually
[04:31:51] <cstop> OK I read the text..... thank you!
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[04:34:17] <cstop> MIN_FERROR is proportional , but not readily grasped as to slope of the graph (per the example) linear?
[04:35:08] <cstop> and still, how does that relate to Latencey and the 5i525? Life is a mystery ;-)
[04:35:29] <cstop> two many fives
[04:41:14] <skunkworks_> only in abstract..
[04:45:53] <cstop> "Dave...Don't do that" says HAL as the modules are pulled...2001
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[08:01:58] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[08:03:21] <Jymmm> Howdy
[08:04:40] <Loetmichel> *yawn* ... drove 15 minutts to work, working about an hour now, STILL not really awake :-(
[08:05:01] <Jymmm> temperature?
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[08:06:00] <Loetmichel> -12°c
[08:06:27] <Jymmm> Ha! I'd have the water heater on high, and STILL be in the shower!!!
[08:08:33] <Loetmichel> hihi
[08:08:52] <mazafaka> it's also relatively warm here.
[08:15:52] <Jymmm> Finally! Fucking FF
[08:17:42] <Jymmm> In Firefox, you have the SEARCh box, but when you search for somethign you get a url that has all kinds of crap in it. You can edit the serach engine xml file (or actually copy and create a new one so you dont get that anymore, but you have to recreate it after you update/upgrade FF.
[08:18:01] <Jymmm> EDITED =
https://www.google.com/search?q=qu
[08:18:18] <Jymmm> ORIGINAL =
https://www.google.com/search?q=qu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[08:21:09] <Jymmm> http://codepad.org/OtZ5QPUd
[08:21:53] <Jymmm> It also seems so speed up search results too.
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[14:33:15] <Gromits> I put a new ssd on my linuxcnc machine and reinstalled a fresh copy of ubuntu and linuxcnc 2.4.7. I then used the buildbot to install 2.5.0pre. When I run 2.5 I get these errors:
http://pastebin.com/VGbVFUD3
[14:33:24] <Gromits> Did I do something wrong in the install?
[14:36:33] <awallin> does 2.4.7 work OK?
[14:36:45] <awallin> "Realtime system did not load" is the problem in that pastebin
[14:36:45] <Gromits> I can run the simulators in 2.4.7
[14:37:11] <Gromits> it says that module-help is not suid root.
[14:37:23] <Gromits> What is/where is module-helper?
[14:37:41] <Gromits> and why wouldn't it have been setuid root from the distribution?
[14:37:55] <awallin> I don't know. 2.4.7 might be the one to use for now, untin linuxcnc stabilizes..
[14:38:14] <awallin> you could try building 2.5.0.pre from source
[14:38:43] <Gromits> I wanted to avoid that, which is why I was using the buildbot
[14:39:00] <jthornton> did you uninstall 2.4?
[14:39:04] <Gromits> I had previously built 2.5 from source and it was working, but I like the idea of using the buildbot....
[14:39:22] <Gromits> 2.4.7 was installed from the LiveCD (along with Ubuntu)
[14:40:01] <Gromits> I can run simulators in 2.4.7, it only fails if I try to run something in 2.5
[14:40:53] <jthornton> I went to yhe synaptic package manager and uninstalled 2.4 then installed the deb
[14:41:29] <jthornton> for 2.5
[14:41:57] <jthornton> iirc
[14:42:44] <Gromits> I installed 2.5 according to the instructions here:
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[14:42:54] <Gromits> 2.4.7 is still on my system.
[14:43:25] <Gromits> I go into /emc2/emc2-dev and run ". scripts/rip-environment" and then run "linuxcnc"
[14:44:19] <jthornton> I'm pretty sure I uninstalled 2.4 from both computers that are running 2.5 deb but I'll be out in the shop in a 1/2 hr or so and can verify
[14:45:02] <jthornton> if you open up a terminal and type in emc or linuxcnc what version shows up
[14:45:17] * jthornton heads for the shower
[14:45:47] <Gromits> a2ms@a2msg:~$ linuxcnc
[14:45:49] <Gromits> LINUXCNC - 2.5.0-pre2-847-gf449347
[14:45:51] <Gromits> a2ms@a2msg:~$
[14:46:05] <Gromits> but 2.4.7 is still there...
[15:00:40] <Gromits> Here is the dmesg output, but I don't see anything obvious. Just all the seg faults....
http://pastebin.com/HgPL3vFY
[15:04:48] <JT-Shop> ok, I'm out in the shop singing "light my fire"
[15:06:09] <JT-Shop> pretty much the same thing I get
[15:06:19] <Gromits> what, the dmesg output?
[15:06:40] <JT-Shop> either try halrun -U or reboot and try again
[15:07:20] <Gromits> ok, will try reboot.... back in a few....
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[15:09:47] <Gromits> no luck, same error
[15:15:03] <JT-Shop> are you trying to run one of the sample configs?
[15:15:19] <Gromits> It doesn't matter. Sample config or my config
[15:15:59] <Gromits> Here is what I get when I do halrun -U
[15:16:02] <Gromits> a2ms@a2msg:~/emc2/emc2-dev$ halrun -U
[15:16:04] <Gromits> RTAPI: ERROR: could not open shared memory (errno=2)
[15:16:06] <Gromits> ERROR: rtapi init failed
[15:16:07] <Gromits> HALCMD: Release Mutex failed!
[15:16:09] <Gromits> RTAPI: ERROR: could not open shared memory (errno=2)
[15:16:11] <Gromits> /home/a2ms/emc2/emc2-dev/scripts/halrun: line 10: 2087 Segmentation fault halcmd stop
[15:16:13] <Gromits> RTAPI: ERROR: could not open shared memory (errno=2)
[15:16:15] <Gromits> /home/a2ms/emc2/emc2-dev/scripts/halrun: line 10: 2088 Segmentation fault halcmd unload all
[15:16:16] <Gromits> module_helper is not setuid root
[15:16:18] <Gromits> module_helper is not setuid root
[15:16:19] <Gromits> module_helper is not setuid root
[15:16:21] <Gromits> module_helper is not setuid root
[15:16:22] <Gromits> module_helper is not setuid root
[15:16:24] <Gromits> module_helper is not setuid root
[15:16:26] <Gromits> module_helper is not setuid root
[15:18:18] <cradek> http://www.google.com/search?&q=module_helper+is+not+setuid+root
[15:18:21] <JT-Shop> I'll verify in a moment but I'm 99% sure I uninstalled 2.4 from both machines running the 2.5 deb
[15:19:12] <cradek> second hit has the correct answer
[15:19:41] <cradek> (sudo make setuid)
[15:20:06] <Gromits> cradek, installing from buildbot one needs to do a make?
[15:20:08] <JT-Shop> he is running a deb
[15:20:28] <cradek> no he's not: /home/a2ms/emc2/emc2-dev/scripts/halrun:
[15:20:53] <JT-Shop> oh, shortcut still pointing to the RIP
[15:21:18] <Gromits> I am confused...
[15:21:28] <JT-Shop> I'm glad someone is awake this morning
[15:22:20] <Gromits> I am opening a terminal, going to ~emc2/emc2-dev/, running . scripts/rip-environment, and then running linuxcnc. SHould I not be doing that?
[15:22:32] <JT-Shop> not for a deb
[15:23:12] <JT-Shop> Applications > CNC > EMC2
[15:23:26] <JT-Shop> or from a terminal linuxcnc
[15:24:13] <Gromits> Oh, duh.
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[15:24:24] <Gromits> I need to move my configs from the dev directory...
[15:24:27] <JT-BP> john@D510MO:~$ emc
[15:24:29] <JT-BP> EMC2 - 2.5.0-pre2-626-g402b6cd
[15:24:51] <JT-BP> pick a sample config and it will set up the directories for you
[15:25:07] <JT-Shop> yep
[15:25:29] <Gromits> Yeah, I had done that already, but my configs from the other drive where in the emc2-dev directory -- because that one was built from source...
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[15:32:08] <JT-Shop> I checked and I removed 2.4 from both computers via the synaptic package manager before installing the 2.5 deb to be sure I got the 2.5 manuals in the Applications > CNC menu
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[15:50:14] <Gromits> Thanks for the help JT-Shop and cradek. Still working out some changes due to disk swap but at least I can run 2.5....
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[15:59:41] <Gromits> we wrote a custom hal module (a variation on limit3 called limit3step) when we had source. I now need to incorporate that module into the deb build. I see limit3step.comp but also limit3step.ko and limit3step.o as well as limit3step.mod.o. Which of these do I actually need and how do I figure out where it(they) go?
[16:04:57] <JT-Shop> did you use comp?
[16:05:27] <Gromits> I see, for example, limit3.ko in /usr/realtime-2.6.32-122-rtai/modules/linuxcnc, so I will try copying our limit3step.ko there and see what happens....
[16:05:48] <Gromits> not sure what you mean by comp...?
[16:07:46] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docview/2.5/html/hal/comp.html
[16:08:17] <Gromits> Ah. Not sure, I didn't write, it a guy working with me did. I will have to ask him./
[16:08:28] <JT-Shop> well I see you did reading back
[16:08:39] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docview/2.5/html/hal/comp.html#sec:Compiling-realtime-components
[16:08:53] <Gromits> cool, thanks!
[16:08:57] <JT-Shop> eyes are fuzzy this morning
[16:09:08] <JT-Shop> so comp --install my.comp
[16:09:23] <JT-Shop> from the same directory as the .comp file is located in
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[16:13:58] <Gromits> hmm, comp appears to be an MH command to compose a message...
[16:15:49] <Gromits> ok, found a comp in my old emc source directory...
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[16:20:40] <Gromits> nope, that doesn't work - probably because comp was built in a different directory...
[16:22:00] <Gromits> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-122-rtai'
[16:22:01] <JT-Shop> you should just use the installed version of comp
[16:22:02] <Gromits> cp limit3step.ko /home/a2ms/emc2/emc2-dev/rtlib/
[16:22:34] <Gromits> where would that be?
[16:23:15] <Gromits> the installed version of comp is not linuxcnc "comp", but mail handler "comp"
[16:23:17] <JT-Shop> copy limit3step.comp to your home folder then open a terminal and say comp --install limit3step.comp
[16:23:40] <JT-Shop> well that would be a problem
[16:23:44] <Gromits> yes
[16:23:50] <JT-Shop> what does man comp show
[16:24:02] <Gromits> it shows me how to compose a message for mail :-)
[16:24:45] <JT-Shop> did you install some kind of mail program after you installed the liveCD?
[16:24:53] <Gromits> no
[16:25:32] <Gromits> well, I didn't. I suppose Peter (my partner in crime) might have...
[16:25:44] <Gromits> I could try to reinstall the deb build...
[16:25:52] <JT-Shop> yea that seems likely
[16:26:08] <JT-Shop> I'd uninstall 2.4 then install 2.5 to be sure
[16:26:23] <Gromits> ok
[16:26:32] <Gromits> thx again, will give it try
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[16:29:25] <Gromits> In synaptic there is emc2 and emc2-dev, do I need both or just emc2?
[16:29:57] <jthornton> I have both for some unknown reason
[16:30:12] <Gromits> will try just emc2 and see if I get comp...
[16:30:55] <Connor> Hey guys, I'm in the market to get a new set of indexed drill bits.. Suggestions? I'm not looking to spend a arm and a leg... I'm thinking HSS will be fine..
[16:31:31] <jthornton> good drill bits cost an arm and a leg and a foot now a days
[16:32:32] <Gromits> hrumph, re-install didn't change comp, it's still email message compose..
[16:32:53] <jthornton> uninstall it
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[16:37:32] <Gromits> well, that helped a little. man comp now shows the hal comparator and when I run comp --install limit3step.comp it tells me to apt-get install nmh (mail handler). Apparently Peter was working on this too last night ;-)
[16:38:43] <JT-Shop> ouch
[16:39:04] <Gromits> so need to find where linuxcnc hides it binaries i guess
[16:39:28] <cradek> you need to install the -dev package to get comp
[16:39:41] <JT-Shop> src somthing or other
[16:41:50] <JT-Shop> there you co Gromits someone that really knows :)
[16:42:02] <JT-Shop> co/go
[16:42:13] <Gromits> cool
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[16:43:38] <Gromits> hey, man comp now gives me the right thing!
[16:44:31] <JT-Shop> YEA!
[16:44:40] <Gromits> ...and there was much rejoicing.... rah.
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[18:01:52] <Gromits> I want to add our machine configs to the wiki for examples on THC, Glade, Gantry, etc. Should I just create a new page or do I start by adding a link from another page and if so, what other page?
[18:03:19] <mhaberler> sure
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[18:03:34] <mhaberler> how did the gladevcp stuff work out after all?
[18:03:44] <Gromits> great, it is all working now
[18:03:45] <mhaberler> add a new page
[18:04:00] <mhaberler> whoa! I think other folks will like it
[18:04:18] <mhaberler> I think there was some examples collection.. let me see
[18:05:57] <TRW_Ags_Mx> Some idea about the current source/drain in the enable output of a mesa 7i33? thanks
[18:06:32] <mhaberler> Configuring LinuxCNC/User configurations looks like a good section
[18:06:43] <Gromits> Here was our final .py file (if you want to look at it):
http://pastebin.com/jHXqJUni
[18:06:44] <mhaberler> the save_state issue is gone?
[18:06:57] <Gromits> yes
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[18:07:50] <mhaberler> re blink rate of leds, see faq section in gladevcp manual - confusing but works; I dont think you need to set it in py file afterall
[18:08:27] <Gromits> I can hand edit the .ui file after running glade, but they are set to 0 after running glade. So, we just put them in the .py file...
[18:08:48] <Gromits> Not sure why glade seems to ignore the setting but it does...
[18:08:58] <mhaberler> ah, I see.. the debug states were saved too but you want to default them on startup
[18:09:22] <mhaberler> better than explicitly listing the desired widgets for restoring though
[18:09:35] <Gromits> we have checkboxes to enable some debugging states and we want to make sure those are off when Axis first comes up
[18:09:51] <Gromits> right
[18:09:55] <Gromits> less typing :-)
[18:09:58] <mhaberler> well widget_defaults(select_widgets(self.builder.get_objects(), hal_only=True,output_only = True))
[18:10:14] <mhaberler> selects ALL output widgets including the debug states
[18:10:25] <mhaberler> overall, looks very good!
[18:10:45] <mhaberler> gladevcp101: passed;)
[18:10:49] <Gromits> :-)
[18:10:54] <Gromits> when is the final?
[18:11:02] <Gromits> I will need to do more studying
[18:11:11] <mhaberler> what are them plans?
[18:11:51] <Gromits> the plans are to get the plasma torch back (from repair) and cut some metal and stop messing with software!
[18:12:01] <mhaberler> sounds reasonable
[18:12:08] <mhaberler> hope you're set
[18:12:43] <Gromits> for the time being, definitely. we may come up with more tweaks (that might require help) but will cross that bridge when we fall off it ;-)
[18:15:06] <mhaberler> http://despair.com/risks.html
[18:15:28] <Gromits> heh. very nice
[18:15:52] <mhaberler> the whole collection is stunning:
http://despair.com/viewall.html
[18:16:23] <mhaberler> like 'Government' or 'Consulting';)
[18:16:29] <Gromits> I love the Tradition one...
[18:17:20] <mhaberler> or self-esteem.
[18:18:01] <mhaberler> ok, enjoy & good luck
[18:18:38] <Gromits> thanks for the help yesterday
[18:18:48] <mhaberler> sure
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[18:35:04] <awallin> latest and greatest pocketing toolpath:
http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/ma_pocket.png
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[18:44:02] <bill20r3> Pretty
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[18:49:04] <alex4nde1-> awallin: nice,. I've been messing with much simpler implementations of something similar, doing spiral and trochoidal cuts.
[18:56:45] <Gromits> mhaberler, you there?
[18:56:51] <mhaberler> mmm
[18:57:04] <Gromits> We get this error when we quit axis...
[18:57:22] <mhaberler> pasteit
[18:57:26] <Gromits> "/usr/bin/gladevcp:263: GtkWarning: GdkWindow 0x4200003 unexpectedly destroyed
[18:57:28] <Gromits> gtk.main()"
[18:57:48] <Gromits> So, when we tried to use Window1 in this:
[18:57:52] <Gromits> def vbox1_destroy_cb(self,obj,data=None):
[18:57:54] <Gromits> self.ini.save_state(self)
[18:57:58] <Gromits> it doesn't work.
[18:58:06] <Gromits> vbox1 however, works fine
[18:58:09] <mhaberler> hm, that is a consequence of emc shutdown which is kinda brute
[18:58:14] <Gromits> just seems like a bug and thought I would mention it...
[18:58:49] <Gromits> i get that even if I use Exit from Axis menus...
[18:58:57] <mhaberler> one way to grind this cat is to use a signal handler. I'll look into it because it bugged me already, too
[18:59:22] <Gromits> ok
[18:59:36] <mhaberler> tacking it onto an event handler on a gtk window relies on, uh, controlled shutdown
[19:00:10] <Gromits> the examples you have show using window1, so either you should change those or...
[19:01:14] <Gromits> well controlled should be from the Axis menu (exit). We usually just close the window though, but...
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[19:01:58] <mhaberler> I need to figure how the linuxcnc script and/or axis does this, but its a good point
[19:14:15] <Jymmm> Gromits: you gt the same issue with tk as well?
[19:14:50] <Jymmm> Gromits: or any other non-AXIS iface.
[19:15:38] <Jymmm> Might help to isolate if it's lcnc, axis, gtk, etc.
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[20:09:29] <Jymmm> OH GAWD.... HAHAHAHAHAHAH....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl1ujzRidmU
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[20:13:20] <Jymmm> Now THAT is what I call Gun control =)
[20:14:01] <isssy> sorry for the laptop
[20:15:04] <alex4nde1-> haha
[20:15:15] <Jymmm> Nah, WELL WORTH the sacrafice
[20:15:29] <Jymmm> I'd love to seen the laptop open though.
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[20:29:05] <JT-Shop> or the back side of it
[20:30:13] <JT-Shop> my daughter would not clean her room ONCE, I put all her crap in a trash bag and put it out by the curb for the garbage pick up... never had another problem with a dirty room from her
[20:31:19] <Jymmm> heh, did you throw out any good stuff?
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[20:34:37] <JT-Shop> I did not discriminate good from bad, but mostly clothing and shoes
[20:35:48] <Jymmm> Ah, a Girl's worse nightmare. gotcha.
[20:36:02] <Jymmm> how old was she at the time?
[20:36:06] <JT-Shop> yea, she is a hard working girl now
[20:36:11] <JT-Shop> 16
[20:36:49] <Jymmm> Sadly, I know someone's Mom that is worse (even to this day).
[20:37:01] <Jymmm> dirty clothes down the hallway etc
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[20:39:13] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvXGJ8eP1B0
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[20:52:27] <Jymmm> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[21:05:16] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: How old is she now?
[21:05:43] <Jymmm> (please don't say 16.5 lol)
[21:06:13] <Jymmm> or even 15.5 NOW
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[21:09:10] <JT-Shop> 40
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[21:09:48] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: you like the gris gris?
[21:10:06] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: heh, you should remind her one day.
[21:10:59] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: that link you posted? Eh, not really my thing. I've relaized I like most things with a heavy base to them.
[21:11:01] <JT-Shop> of how well she turned out?
[21:11:14] <Jymmm> But I do listen to pretty much everything.
[21:11:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: well that too, but that you tossed her stuff out.
[21:11:36] <JT-Shop> I listen to all music... I don't consider rap crap music
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[21:12:07] <JT-Shop> I somehow don't think she has forgot that day...
[21:12:08] <Jymmm> Some rap is okey. As is some non-nasal country.
[21:12:53] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Well if you remind her, be sure to have a gift card to some clothing store handy.
[21:13:04] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiVDtll8th0
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[21:13:55] <Jymmm> Yes, THAT!
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[21:55:08] <Gromits> very odd problem with glade. We are adding some bells and whistles, just buttons to touch off, and go home, etc. Touch off was working, I add the go home buttons and now touchoff doesn't work (but home buttons do).
[21:55:17] <Gromits> .ui file:
http://pastebin.com/U7SDpQbr
[21:55:45] <Gromits> look at touch off X for example
[21:56:35] <Gromits> it should be issuing a G10 L2 P1 X0 since the button is assoc with the action, but nothing happens....
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[22:06:22] <Gromits> no errors in the terminal when this happens....
[22:17:24] <Gromits> Nevermind. I am using G10 incorrectly.
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[22:21:53] <Gromits> what g-code command is used (or is it a gcode) when I use the Touch-off button in axis?
[22:22:13] <Gromits> I want g10 l2 p1 X{My current position}
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[22:27:10] <skunkworks_> Gromits: interesting...
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[22:28:50] <skunkworks_> Gromits: maybe you could first to a g28.1 - that would put the current location in 5161-5166
[22:29:18] <skunkworks_> then do g10 l2 p1 X#5161 maybe
[22:29:27] <skunkworks_> I don't know if there is an easier way...
[22:30:48] <Gromits> g10 L20 P1 X0Y0X0 is the magic....!
[22:31:09] <skunkworks_> heh - that is easier...
[22:31:47] * skunkworks_ will have to remember that...
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[22:34:11] <Gromits> here is our glade panel config:
http://bgp.nu/~tom/pub/Glade-Panel.png
[22:37:46] <skunkworks_> Gromits: Cool!
[22:38:25] <Gromits> We have been polishing the turd (as it were) since our torch is broken...
[22:38:53] * skunkworks_ needs to play with glade
[22:38:55] <Gromits> I am loving Glade the more I use it.
[22:39:16] <skunkworks_> a lot more options than pyvcp?
[22:39:20] <Gromits> Silly things, like being able to have tooltips on every button when you hover over it is really cool!
[22:39:44] <Gromits> running python scripts, or gcode commands....
[22:40:03] <Gromits> blinking leds!!
[22:40:22] <Gromits> It's the little things in life :-)
[22:40:28] <Jymmm> BLINKING BUNNYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:40:43] <Gromits> that too!
[22:40:51] <Jymmm> WOOHOO!!!
[22:45:40] <Gromits> I will put the configs up on the wiki this weekend or next week...
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