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[07:09:05] <rooks> iirc you guys are ubuntu based, so you might want to see this : http://pleasanthacking.com/2012/01/02/making-ubuntu-11-10-and-12-04-behave-like-10-04/ - just like url says :D, it might help your trasition to new LTS
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[07:46:20] <Valen> I'll make sure to pass it on to the people in the know rooks
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[07:47:39] <Eartaker> YAY got the mill working and machines a simple vise speen wrench
[07:47:45] <Eartaker> machined
[07:47:48] <rooks> Valen, hey, thanks :)
[07:48:06] <Eartaker> the screen had randomly been going blank
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[07:58:07] <Valen> rooks small world?
[08:00:39] <rooks> yeah :)
[08:04:36] <rooks> i almost forgot i was here :) tho i left it open since i liked the real world part of computing, where it made a little more sense than software only :)
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[13:51:22] <Mjolinor> anyone got a link to setting the "driver type" without stepconf
[13:51:51] <Mjolinor> I tried making small changes to the step time adn space to see what the difference was in the files produced and couldn't make a lot of sense of it
[13:52:30] <archivist> without stepconf means an editor of your choice
[13:53:17] <archivist> or are you really asking about what the numbers mean
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[13:55:04] <Mjolinor> i know what the numbers mean but they dont go into the config files
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[13:56:01] <Mjolinor> there is no difference n the hal file, the velocity changes int eh ini file adn hte base period changes
[13:56:11] <Mjolinor> but not in a straightforward manner that I can see
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[13:56:40] <Mjolinor> unless I am missing somethign of course , that is probably the most likely scenario
[13:57:16] <archivist> a lot miss that step conf only writes your files it does not read them
[13:57:37] <Mjolinor> it does read them if you tell it to
[13:57:41] <Mjolinor> when you start
[13:57:58] <archivist> no it read its own file, not yours if you edite them
[13:58:07] <Mjolinor> my problem is that I made soem hal files here, where the lathe isn't but having installed them on EMC where hte machine is the stepper timing is not right
[13:58:34] <Mjolinor> If I run stepconf on the files I made then it will lose all the changes for the pendant input, the spindle and everythign else I did by hand
[13:58:55] <Mjolinor> Iknwo that
[13:59:10] <archivist> yes because it does NOT read the files at all
[13:59:29] <Mjolinor> but I need to change hte stepper configs at hte start of stepconf then copy the differences into my hal and ini files
[13:59:37] <Mjolinor> ok
[13:59:38] <archivist> a design mistake imo
[13:59:43] <Mjolinor> but that sin't my problem
[13:59:49] <Mjolinor> it is :)
[14:00:04] <Mjolinor> but it would need ot be a lot more capable to read files adn keep the changes in there
[14:01:15] <JT-Shop> YEA! I finally figured out what was wrong with the GS2 config
[14:01:31] <Mjolinor> eg if i go through stepconf chaging nothing then I have base period 100,000 and max velocity 1
[14:02:10] <Mjolinor> if I then change Step time from default 5000 ns to 10000 ns the only changes I can see are base period 62500 and max velocity 0.95
[14:02:23] <Mjolinor> and no way can i work out how those changes come about
[14:03:57] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal_rtcomps.html#sec:Stepgen
[14:05:22] <Mjolinor> cheers, looks like heavy going, should keep me occupied for the rest of the day
[14:05:54] <archivist> :)
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[14:23:25] * jthornton goes to look for that gigabit switch I have somewhere that has more than 4 ports on it... dang shop is getting full
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[14:25:45] * Mjolinor wishes jthornton a successful mission with long days and happy nights
[14:26:08] <jthornton> thanks
[14:26:55] <Mjolinor> you could write a book "Tales of the gigabit quest" with stories of windmills adn such
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[15:02:50] <IchGucksLive> Hi someone nowes a free cam to engrave a text on a cylinder ?
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[15:04:00] <awallin> do you have a 4-axis mill for that? I only remember some rhino-plugin that I saw on the web for that
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[15:09:41] <IchGucksLive> yes rino is good i wikk have alook
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[15:53:33] <JT-Shop> the switch of the switches went well I see
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[16:04:47] <JT-Shop> BP conversion to EMC2 Step 1 Done!
[16:05:19] <Tom_itx> you're on a roll
[16:06:39] <Tom_itx> are you using a 5i25 board for this one?
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[16:10:31] <JT-Shop> no, I'm using the 5i20 from my plasma cutter as the computer and boards will all be in the same enclosure
[16:10:45] <JT-Shop> the 5i25 is for the plasma to free up the 5i20
[16:11:30] <JT-Shop> which reminds me I need to order a 7i33 for the BP
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[16:14:15] <JT-Shop> yuck! I need a better o- return example http://linuxcnc.org/docview/2.5/html/gcode/o-code.html
[16:14:41] <JT-Shop> other than that how does that section look?
[16:17:01] <Tom_itx> The lines inside the subroutine (the body) are not executed in order
[16:17:04] <Tom_itx> they're not?
[16:18:33] <Tom_itx> The lines inside the subroutine are executed only when called
[16:18:40] <JT-Shop> yes
[16:19:03] <JT-Shop> that makes no sense lol
[16:19:15] <Tom_itx> the first time i read that i wondered if it skipped around inside the sub
[16:19:21] <Tom_itx> :)
[16:19:36] <JT-Shop> I'm still wondering what that means :)
[16:20:57] <Tom_itx> like a BASIC gosub routine
[16:22:56] <Tom_itx> i don't use subroutines much since i use cad cam
[16:23:14] <Tom_itx> if i were hand writing code i'm sure i would
[16:28:44] <archivist> a call to it perhaps
[16:29:32] <Tom_itx> looks ok to me except that seemed a little confoosin
[16:29:33] <Tom_itx> g
[16:29:44] <archivist> and the call has to be after the endsub iirc
[16:30:13] <awallin> can truetype-tracer output fonts as line-segments only? I don't want arcs or biarcs or splines...
[16:35:48] <jthornton> is TTT included with EMC2?
[16:36:18] <archivist> no, lives on cradek's site
[16:36:24] <archivist> afaik
[16:36:53] <awallin> http://www.timeguy.com/cradek/truetype
[16:37:20] <awallin> maybe the dxf-output is useful for me
[16:38:49] <awallin> ttt 4.0 seems to have biarcs. maybe 3.0 has just polylines
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[17:44:59] <Jymmm> OT... when you see a road and it says "7% Grade", what does that really mean?
[17:45:47] <cradek> rise is 7% of run
[17:46:02] <Tom_itx> it means you'd better gear down
[17:46:14] <Tom_itx> and look for sand traps
[17:46:29] <Jymmm> cradek: Could you expand a little?
[17:46:34] <archivist> 7% is nothing, 1 in 4 is more fun
[17:47:06] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, run 7 feet rise 1 foot
[17:47:19] <Tom_itx> err no that's wrong too
[17:47:20] <syyl> its 7m rise on 100m distance
[17:47:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I dont know what that means
[17:47:36] <Tom_itx> same as roof pitch
[17:47:41] <syyl> (works also in feet ;) )
[17:47:46] <Tom_itx> rise vs run
[17:47:50] <archivist> and furlongs
[17:47:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I dont know foor pitches either
[17:48:02] <Jymmm> roof
[17:48:11] <cradek> for every 14.3 feet (1/.07) you go up 1 foot
[17:48:21] <Tom_itx> typical roof pitch is 4/12 or 5/12
[17:48:22] <cradek> or down
[17:48:33] <Tom_itx> for every foot of span it rises 4 or 5"
[17:48:54] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: so 4/12 is all in inches?
[17:48:59] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:49:07] <Tom_itx> or miles
[17:49:09] <Tom_itx> it's a ratio
[17:49:11] <archivist> the units dont matter
[17:49:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: so for every 12 in length, I'll get 4" of rise?
[17:49:38] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[17:50:08] <archivist> isnt this in the basic driving test
[17:50:15] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: So 12/4 = 3 or 3% grade?
[17:50:59] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure how grade equates to that but it sounds right
[17:51:12] <archivist> er wot!
[17:51:17] <Tom_itx> wouldn't 100% be straight up?
[17:51:28] <Jymmm> lol, that's what I'm trying to figure out, where the "% grade" comes into play
[17:51:38] <pcw_home> 45 degrees is 100%
[17:51:40] <syyl> you could also say, the 7% are 4 deg angle...
[17:51:41] <syyl> :D
[17:51:49] <Tom_itx> sure glad we cleared that up
[17:52:10] <pcw_home> oops not right
[17:52:10] <Tom_itx> Jymmm there is no relationship between grade and rise/run or roof pitch
[17:52:11] <Jymmm> pcw_home: how did you come up with 45deg == 100% ?
[17:52:26] <Tom_itx> unless pcw_home is full of it
[17:52:27] <archivist> 1 in 1 slope
[17:52:34] <syyl> tan^-1 (1/1)
[17:52:49] <JT-Shop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_%28slope%29
[17:53:54] <pcw_home> Yeah OK rise over run
[17:54:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: TY
[17:54:08] <JT-Shop> np
[17:54:45] <Tom_itx> 100% may be 45 deg but it increases quite a bit above that
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[17:55:03] <IchGucksLive> hi all B)
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[17:56:18] <IchGucksLive> awallin: i think the TEXT on cylinder is a good projekt to start for python emc2 in 2012
[17:56:34] <IchGucksLive> this may also be interesting to world wide users
[17:56:57] <Jymmm> I got a ticket for traveling in the HOV lane while making a right turn. Even though I showed the judge a statute that does "does not apply", he and the cos are using a "rule of thumb" of 200 feet from a non-related statute for distance traveled in the HOV lane. But at this intersection you have to pass THROUGH the HOV to get to the right-turn lane in a completely unsafe lane change and at a grade, so I'm going to toss
[17:56:57] <Jymmm> physics at them as I already contacted the County Engineering dept too
[17:57:11] <Jymmm> s/cos/cops/
[17:57:29] <IchGucksLive> jymm what state
[17:57:33] <Jymmm> Calif
[17:58:03] <IchGucksLive> the cop may be on mariuana at this part of the year
[17:58:15] <IchGucksLive> short after NewYear
[17:58:37] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: no, the cop actually told me his days off, but the judge is being difficult.
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[18:00:09] <Jymmm> The city pd put a "speed trap" of three officers there on fridays at 4pm just to catch ppl to make their quotas
[18:00:11] <archivist> IchGucksLive, you could just use normal cam and use awk to translate x or y to a and scale the movement
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[18:02:11] <owhite> Greetings everyone. Happy new year. Does anyone have a suggestion to change the state of hal signals in g-code commands? I currently use a M-command that makes a call to the hal call, sets, is that still state of the art?
[18:02:12] <IchGucksLive> archivist: i now but ican also do this on Qcad cxf with ttf2cxf all fonts are available
[18:02:30] <IchGucksLive> and simple python offcause
[18:02:49] * archivist never thinks python is simple
[18:03:26] * owhite learned rudimentary python, in order to create a user space component over the xmass holiday :-)
[18:03:51] <owhite> I still cant believe that flow control is based on indentation. Now that is weird.
[18:04:07] <JT-Shop> yea, python is that way
[18:04:17] <archivist> yup dumb
[18:04:34] <IchGucksLive> and then no cam is needet
[18:05:55] <owhite> well I'm not complaining I used the 'import hal' functions to make a user space component that now reads analog data into an arduino, and I'm displaying things like oxygen pressure and current readings in axis/pyvcp
[18:07:04] <JT-Shop> cool
[18:07:42] <owhite> so anyone - any thoughts how to change the state of hal pins or signals in g-code?
[18:08:03] <awallin> M61 or something
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[18:08:55] <awallin> owhite: this? http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/gcode_main.html#sec:M62-to-M65
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[18:10:55] <owhite> awallin: thank you I believe that is what I was looking for.
[18:11:19] <owhite> of course I skipped right over it when I was reading the docs.
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[18:12:21] <owhite> trying to figure out if it just passes bits or if I can use it to pass floats.
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[18:21:51] <IchGucksLive> what is the commen name of a cylinder outside face
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[18:28:10] <Mjolinor> Fred
[18:28:53] <Mjolinor> A not so common name could be Aphrodite
[18:28:59] <syyl> Fred the surface?
[18:29:09] <Mjolinor> but its proper anme is "cylinder outside face" and that's it
[18:29:22] <Mjolinor> hmm, didn't specify the surface
[18:29:35] <Mjolinor> that's the "surface ofthe cylinder outside face"
[18:30:03] <IchGucksLive> in German its the Mantelfl├Ąche
[18:30:21] <Mjolinor> well that sounds like soemthign you may find in an S&M parlour to me
[18:30:40] <syyl> might "lateral surface" be common?
[18:31:15] <IchGucksLive> Text On A Cylinder Surface v1.0
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[19:57:34] <clytle374> what does pncconf do?
[19:57:53] <JT-Shop> creates configs for Mesa hardware
[19:58:21] <danimal_laptop> happy new year!
[19:58:40] <clytle374> like calling firmware? or more in depth?
[19:58:54] <clytle374> running xfce and it relies on gnome
[19:59:03] <danimal_laptop> Hi John
[19:59:07] <JT-Shop> Hi Dan
[19:59:11] <danimal_laptop> how are ya
[19:59:15] <IchGucksLive> archivist: http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/020112205845_Bildschirmfoto-59.png this is the start
[19:59:24] <JT-Shop> doing good, and you?
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[19:59:44] <IchGucksLive> Text On A Cylinder Surface v1.0 python to axis with qcad fonts
[19:59:45] <danimal_laptop> pretty good. a bit of a rough weekend, but im recovering
[19:59:59] <JT-Shop> I got the GS2 VFD and EMC talking nicely on the BP so I have spindle control operating
[20:00:24] <danimal_laptop> nice! i didnt know you were converting the bridgeport
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[20:00:37] <danimal_laptop> the vmc or knee mill?
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[20:01:24] <danimal_laptop> serial communication or something?
[20:01:32] <danimal_laptop> or just analog 10v?
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[20:03:18] <JT-Shop> it's a series 1 knee mill with an Anilam CNC 3 axis control
[20:03:23] <danimal_laptop> ahh
[20:03:31] <JT-Shop> yea, RS232 communications
[20:03:34] <danimal_laptop> cool
[20:03:41] <JT-Shop> they can yack back and forth
[20:03:45] <danimal_laptop> sweet.
[20:03:53] <JT-Shop> yea, it is nice
[20:04:11] <JT-Shop> I assume I can rigid tap with that setup and a spindle encoder
[20:04:46] <danimal_laptop> how is it connected to the computer? i dont know anything about rs232. serial port or ethernet, or a mesa card?
[20:05:08] <danimal_laptop> i think you can rigid tap with just analog control and an encoder, right?
[20:05:49] <clytle374> can you get spindle load info from the vfd into emc?
[20:06:45] <danimal_laptop> which reminds me, i need another 5i20 or something, i sold the one i was going to use with my kasuga with the desktop mill
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[20:07:09] <danimal_laptop> i wonder if mesa is open today
[20:07:51] <JT-Shop> it's connected to the serial port
[20:08:06] <danimal_laptop> cool
[20:08:14] <JT-Shop> if your analog controller can reverse I assume you can rigid tap with it
[20:09:16] <JT-Shop> clytle374: yes, http://linuxcnc.org/docview/2.5/html/drivers/GS2.html
[20:09:19] <danimal_laptop> JT-Shop: how hard was it to set up the communication so it would work with emc?
[20:09:40] <danimal_laptop> ah, a driver
[20:09:44] <danimal_laptop> darn
[20:09:47] <JT-Shop> WELL, once I fixed the self induced error in the docs it took 5 minutes
[20:10:05] <danimal_laptop> would be cool if i could use my mitsubishi's that way
[20:10:31] <JT-Shop> just need to write a driver if they support modbus
[20:11:08] <danimal_laptop> yea not so easy for me
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[20:11:21] <danimal_laptop> never done that
[20:12:39] <clytle374> neat, thanks
[20:12:56] <danimal_laptop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?VFD_Modbus
[20:13:09] <JT-Shop> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=emc2.git;a=blob;f=src/hal/user_comps/gs2_vfd.c;h=17ed97b78e681c673ab768eb2e0e62bb0b7daf73;hb=HEAD
[20:13:51] <JT-Shop> does your mitsubishi VFD support modbus?
[20:14:14] <danimal_laptop> readng that page now
[20:14:35] <danimal_laptop> i dont know if it does but i think i can get an add on module for them so it will
[20:14:49] <danimal_laptop> probably cheap on ebay
[20:14:55] <JT-Shop> or sell them and get a GS2
[20:15:31] <danimal_laptop> there's an ethernet port on one
[20:16:06] <JT-Shop> that is what the GS2 uses for it's modbus
[20:16:11] <danimal_laptop> reading the manual now
[20:16:22] <danimal_laptop> i think it does, remember seeing it in there
[20:16:51] <JT-Shop> might not be too difficult to convert the gs2 to mitsu
[20:18:46] <danimal_laptop> it says i can communicate through the rs485 port
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[20:22:28] <danimal_laptop> JT-Shop: http://igor.chudov.com/manuals/Mitsubishi-S500E-VFD-Detailed-Manual.pdf
[20:22:56] <danimal_laptop> it says it uses ascII code
[20:23:23] <danimal_laptop> looks like something that could be made to work
[20:25:22] <JT-Shop> cool
[20:26:10] <danimal_laptop> not that i'll probably do it
[20:27:15] <JT-Shop> lol
[20:27:35] <JT-Shop> how do you turn your spindle on and off now?
[20:27:53] <danimal_laptop> light switch
[20:27:56] <danimal_laptop> jk
[20:28:12] <danimal_laptop> i use the 7i33 to control it
[20:28:31] <danimal_laptop> works fine
[20:28:45] <danimal_laptop> just thinking it would be nice to save an analog output
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[20:33:31] <danimal_laptop> my tools are so small, the spindle feedback isnt really neccesary, i doubt there's much current drawn even before the tool breaks
[20:36:06] <JT-Shop> yea, tough to justify the work for no gain
[20:38:28] <clytle374> I'm amazed at what's been accomplished in 2 years
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[20:53:21] <emcrules> JT-Shop: 2 100 mf caps in parr for the starting caps
[20:57:09] <JT-Shop> emcrules: thanks, did you notice how many run caps they use and how they are connected?
[20:57:36] <JT-Shop> is it similar to this? http://gnipsel.com/shop/rpc/15hp%20Phase%20Converter%20Layout.pdf
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[21:01:00] <JT-Shop> I have 3 400-440 mfd capacitors in parallel on my start circuit now and it is a bit slow starting
[21:02:12] <JT-Shop> however my diagram shows them in series...
[21:03:31] <emcrules> mine starts very quick. I can take a picture of the schematic if you want
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[21:59:58] <clytle374> does dmesg not give a complete pinout with hostmot2?
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[22:00:24] <JT-Shop> describe complete?
[22:00:54] <clytle374> pins p2-01 thru p2-23
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[22:01:07] <clytle374> then watchdog bit message
[22:01:11] <JT-Shop> 5i20?
[22:01:56] <clytle374> sorry, yeah 5i20
[22:02:14] <JT-Shop> hmm, I see all the P2 pins on mine
[22:02:42] <JT-Shop> are you clearing dmesg before running the 5i20 to get the pin names?
[22:02:52] <clytle374> and p3&p4?
[22:02:59] <JT-Shop> are you sending the output of dmesg to a file?
[22:03:06] <JT-Shop> yea all three show up
[22:03:59] <clytle374> no, not to a file. should i?
[22:04:22] <JT-Shop> you might miss something if it scrolls off the buffer otherwise
[22:04:36] <clytle374> I
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[22:04:53] <clytle374> I'll try it
[22:05:11] <JT-Shop> you might want clear dmesg as well
[22:05:12] <clytle374> using the 5i20 servo example at the moment
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[22:05:36] <clytle374> got a breadboard setup with buttons and leds for hal education
[22:05:43] <clytle374> I cleared dmesg
[22:06:22] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docview/2.5/html/drivers/hostmot2.html#_pinouts
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[22:07:50] <clytle374> I assumed that I could just check dmesg
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[22:09:04] <clytle374> I'm also not clear on what happens to the p3 since the bit files is for 2 7i48s, and I'm using 1
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[22:10:04] <JT-Shop> I assume any pins not used on the 5i20 revert to GPIO pins
[22:10:59] <clytle374> me too, but was trying to check before asking another stupid question :)
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[22:11:51] * JT-Shop has not seen very many stupid questions asked here
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[22:13:46] <clytle374> that's because I haven't been around for 2 years
[22:14:58] <JT-Shop> LOL, last stupid question I remember was when my daughter (16 at the time) asked me for money to buy cigarettes... I never laughed so hard in my life
[22:15:02] <cpresser> clytle374: i filled your spot quite well :D
[22:15:13] <clytle374> lol
[22:15:20] <clytle374> x2
[22:15:21] <Valen> JT-Shop: would have earned a backhand from me lol
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[22:17:01] <JT-Shop> yea, back then you could do that without fear of going to prison...
[22:17:26] <Valen> i spose it probably wouldn't have solved the problem anyway
[22:18:11] <JT-Shop> I told her she could have anything she wanted, she just needed to earn enough money to do so.
[22:18:41] <clytle374> well, now my usb wifi is cluttering dmesg with link>unlink>link
[22:19:58] <skunkworks_> I thought any pin on the mesa hardware had a gpio pin... Or did I make that up?
[22:20:04] <Valen> linux + wifi = :-<
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[22:21:07] <clytle374> antique usb wifi/ wifi scanning tool
[22:21:29] <JT-Shop> I think they are all gpio unless claimed by stepgen or other
[22:21:50] <clytle374> I don't think that is true on the 7i48
[22:22:08] <skunkworks_> hmm - I guess it has been a while...
[22:22:16] <clytle374> do I need the daughter cards pulled in for good pinouts?
[22:22:57] <Tom_itx> not as long as you have the right pin file loaded
[22:22:59] <Tom_itx> i believe
[22:23:33] <JT-Shop> on the 5i20 card I meant
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[22:26:00] <clytle374> does the dmesg pin info come from the pin file? Or is it genertated from the hostmot2 and bit file?
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[22:33:03] <clytle374> got 2 pin files SV12IM_2x7i48.bit and SV12IM2_2X7i48.bit
[22:33:14] <clytle374> * got 2 bit files
[22:33:56] <andypugh> That's confusing.
[22:34:48] <andypugh> What are the creation dates?
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[22:37:11] <clytle374> feb and april of 2010.
[22:37:42] <clytle374> using newist
[22:38:01] <andypugh> Do they both contain all the same modules?
[22:38:51] <clytle374> I don't know. ?
[22:39:46] <clytle374> I wonder if watchdog biting is because of the 7i48 not being hooked up
[22:40:51] <andypugh> No, almost certainly not
[22:41:26] <andypugh> Is the pet-watchdog function added to a thread?
[22:41:38] <andypugh> (I only forget that a few times a month)
[22:42:13] <clytle374> yeah, but I've forgotten most of what I know in the 2 years since I started the project
[22:42:29] <clytle374> it's the hm2-servo example I'm using now
[22:42:44] <clytle374> well, diffrent project
[22:43:07] <andypugh> To check the bit files, edit the HAL file so it says:
[22:43:45] <andypugh> loadrt hostmot2 debug_modules=1
[22:44:14] <clytle374> rebooting
[22:44:31] <andypugh> Then load up emc2, quit, read the dmesg, change the bit file, and repeat
[22:44:59] <andypugh> (You can actually do it all from halrun without loading the rest of emc2 if you prefer)
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[22:49:47] <clytle374> dmesg didn't change
[22:50:15] <andypugh> No different from normal, or no different between the two files?
[22:50:38] <clytle374> same as before debug
[22:50:44] <andypugh> ie, are you saying that debug_modules didn't work, or that the files appear identical?
[22:51:04] <clytle374> dmesg is the same as before
[22:51:45] <andypugh> You could try putting in all the debugs: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/man/man9/hostmot2.9.html
[22:52:56] <andypugh> Also, comment out the loadrt hm2_pci line then copy it without the num_thisandthat statements, so that everything gets loaded.
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[22:54:34] <clytle374> brb
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[22:57:21] <clytle374> hal loaded then unloaded, nothing happened
[22:58:27] <andypugh> Nothing?
[22:59:46] <andypugh> How did you loaf HAL?
[22:59:49] <andypugh> (load)
[22:59:59] <clytle374> start emc
[23:00:20] <andypugh> What sort of nothing?
[23:01:15] <clytle374> I broke a config file.
[23:01:34] <clytle374> dmesg showwd rtai loading then unloading: no errors
[23:01:41] <andypugh> Might be simplest to work at the command line
[23:01:48] <andypugh> Open two terminal windows.
[23:01:58] <clytle374> done
[23:02:13] <andypugh> In one, type - halrun
[23:02:41] <clytle374> halcmd:
[23:02:51] <andypugh> loadrt hostmot debug_modules=1 debug_module_descriptors=1
[23:03:51] <clytle374> can't find hostmot
[23:03:52] <andypugh> loadrt hm2_pci config="firmware=hm2/5i20/SV12IM_2x7i48.bit"
[23:04:04] <andypugh> hostmot2.. (sorry)
[23:04:14] <andypugh> And the second line needs to suit your hardware
[23:04:42] <clytle374> unknown symbol
[23:05:19] <clytle374> I guess it doesn't work
[23:05:44] <andypugh> No, I can almost guarantee that EMC2 works.
[23:05:45] <clytle374> funny thing is hostmot2 has loaded before
[23:06:07] <andypugh> let me start up a virtual machine to experiment with
[23:06:08] <clytle374> I'm sure it does, what I'm not sure on is what I've done
[23:06:33] <clytle374> it's mostly likely my fault, let me play with it a bit
[23:06:41] <andypugh> At which point do you get "unknown symbol"?
[23:07:09] <andypugh> dmesg (in the other terminal window) ought to give further clues.
[23:07:24] <clytle374> loadrt hostmot2
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[23:10:35] <clytle374> reboot seems to have fixed it
[23:11:34] <clytle374> how to I clear hal?
[23:11:52] <JT-Shop> by clear do you mean unload?
[23:11:59] <andypugh> halrun -U sometimes work. Often you can need a reboot though,
[23:12:38] <pcw_home> alll pins on HostMot2 can be GPIO (if the secondary function = pwm,encoder etc is disabled)
[23:12:58] <andypugh> andypugh@ubuntu:~$ halrun
[23:12:58] <andypugh> halcmd: loadrt hostmot2 debug_idrom=1 debug_modules=1 debug_module_descriptors=1
[23:12:59] <andypugh> halcmd: loadrt hm2_pci config="firmware=hm2/5i20/SV12IM_2X7I48_72.BIT"
[23:13:05] <andypugh> (Just all worked for me)
[23:13:42] <andypugh> But with no hardware attached, not a lot happened.
[23:14:01] <clytle374> but, iirc, I can't use those pins that land on the 7i48 as gpio. right?
[23:14:46] <clytle374> I've got to put a chat client on the emc box.. I type slow and mashed a finger yesterday
[23:14:58] <mastor> Very simple question for witch I cannot find a solution, even if I read the manuals. How can I change the axis display so that the tool appears on the top (over the centerline) ?
[23:15:30] <JT-Shop> which GUI?
[23:15:48] <mastor> axis
[23:15:57] <JT-Shop> it is in the manual :)
[23:16:26] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gui_axis.html#r1_3_2
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[23:16:45] <JT-Shop> 13, if I understand your question
[23:16:48] <pcw_home> _all_ pins
[23:16:50] <pcw_home> The mux pinfor the first connector is enabled by the driver if more than 0 encoders are enabled
[23:16:52] <pcw_home> and for the second connector if more than 6 encoders are enabled
[23:16:53] <pcw_home>
[23:17:45] <clytle374> right, but if I use 5 encoders and pwms, I can't use the other pins on the p2 7i48 for gpio... Or can I?
[23:18:18] <pcw_home> Sure
[23:18:31] <mastor> sorry for the ignorance, but still cannot find it ...
[23:18:33] * JT-Shop thinks there should be an Asteroids type game for shooting spammers
[23:18:43] <andypugh> The 7i48 might get confused if it is plugged in to them :-)
[23:18:56] <pcw_home> but not the 7I48 inputs (the FPGA inputs yes)
[23:19:26] <JT-Shop> 13. Top View
[23:19:26] <clytle374> right
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[23:21:00] <pcw_home> that is you cannot use the muxed encoder inputs on the 7I48 as GPIO but any free FPGA pins are still GPIO
[23:21:02] <pcw_home> (though 5 is a special case since you would be using 1/2 of a muxed channel)
[23:22:39] <pcw_home> The firmware actually hands you the 3 bits (A,B,Z) of channel 5 in this case but the driver alas does not forward these
[23:24:09] <JT-Shop> mastor: you find it?
[23:24:36] <clytle374> pcw_home, should demsg be giving a complete pinout?
[23:24:48] <pcw_home> yes
[23:25:25] <clytle374> I get up to p2-27 and then a watchdog bit
[23:26:09] <clytle374> maybe the hm2-servo example has problems
[23:26:16] <mastor> I am using "axis" on a lathe. I do not have "Top view" "Rotated top view" "side view" "front view" and "Perspective view". But my machine uses the tool over the centerline. Once again I am sorry. Things here are, at least, intimidating.
[23:28:28] <andypugh> Wierdly, I had never notices that. There are no view buttons in Lathe mode
[23:28:51] <andypugh> (I use lathe mode about 80% of the time, too)
[23:29:18] <Tom_itx> where do you switch modes?
[23:29:34] <andypugh> In the INI, machine=lathe IIRC
[23:29:40] <Tom_itx> ok
[23:29:55] <mastor> and that is on what manual?
[23:30:09] <Tom_itx> what are the valid options besides mill and lathe?
[23:30:17] <andypugh> But that also means that I _really_ don't understand mastor's question.
[23:31:32] <Tom_itx> mine is machine = HM2-Stepper
[23:31:54] <Tom_itx> would that mess up the mesa settings if i changed it to mill?
[23:32:14] <andypugh> mastor: I am afraid I don't use the manuals, I use http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/ and the machine config is in "Basic Configuration" and the actual switch is [DISPLAY] lathe=1
[23:32:46] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I was wrong, it's [DSPLAY] lathe=
[23:33:17] <Tom_itx> in my [DISPLAY] section there's no lathe= or mill= etc entry
[23:33:33] <Tom_itx> just DISPLAY = axis
[23:33:43] <JT-Shop> mastor: you only get one view with a lathe sorry
[23:33:50] <andypugh> Default is lathe=0 which is correct for a mill.
[23:34:03] <JT-Shop> I assumed you had a mill like machine
[23:34:14] <Tom_itx> always finding things you never knew were there...
[23:34:47] <mastor> The Z positive is on the right side of the operator (like 99% of machines) and the X is more positive as the tool goes away from the operator (tool is OVER the centerline)
[23:35:04] <mastor> this is very common
[23:35:09] <andypugh> But, with a lathe you always get the view from above, as no other view makes any sense, so I remain confused.
[23:35:30] <andypugh> Ah, you have a back-toolpost lathe?
[23:35:52] <mastor> not sure if that is the name. but cnc lathes are almost all like mine
[23:36:02] <andypugh> Yes, they are.
[23:36:08] <JT-Shop> I thought they were all like mine
[23:36:47] <mastor> so no support for this?
[23:37:24] <clytle374> I was typo-ing stuff
[23:37:24] <andypugh> I can't remember.
[23:37:26] <JT-Shop> there is only one view when using Axis in lathe mode
[23:37:56] <pcw_home> the hm2-servo example works for me
[23:38:41] <JT-Shop> even though there are two types normally found, imaginary Y+ under and imaginary Y+ over (usually if you have back tools)
[23:39:02] <andypugh> You could try [DISPLAY] GEOMETRY=-XZ
[23:39:19] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/config_ini_config.html#sub:%5BDISPLAY%5D-section
[23:39:44] <mastor> You are the man!
[23:41:28] <andypugh> I am not sure that has exactly the right effect
[23:41:43] <mastor> ups, probably I was to fast. It made something different but not what expected...
[23:42:52] <andypugh> It seems to flip the profile to the back, but I am not sure it gets the tool gemoetry right, and it doesn't flip the jog direction.
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[23:43:43] <mastor> ok. Just got my mesa hardware two days ago. Trying to go slow, and feeling the thing, but seams all quite difficult. The axis really get confusing, and do not work properly.
[23:45:17] <andypugh> It's quite a learning curve, unfortunately.
[23:45:17] <clytle374-emc> here is the output with debugging on
[23:45:22] <clytle374-emc> http://pastebin.com/WcKRjqwF
[23:46:45] <clytle374-emc> curve? it's an overhang... watch your head. still awesome tho
[23:48:18] <andypugh> That's wierd. There is a discontiniuity in your dmesg..
[23:48:45] <JT-Shop> scroll down to line 2934 for key bindings http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=emc2.git;a=blob;f=src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py;h=8b1316ab147a89aa1208f83649b717452dff3c2e;hb=refs/heads/v2.5_branch
[23:49:18] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Do you know if the IRC archive is there? I find search results, but no messages.
[23:49:27] <JT-Shop> and 3137 for setview
[23:49:32] <pcw_home> Yeah youve got something really broken
[23:49:50] <clytle374-emc> great, and it was going so well
[23:49:53] <JT-Shop> andypugh: the logger?
[23:49:54] <andypugh> Specifically, I can find discussion about rear toolposts from 2009, but can't see the chat log
[23:50:36] <andypugh> (or, rather the google search finds results, but they are dead links)
[23:50:49] <JT-Shop> I use psha's logger search
[23:51:02] <pcw_home> Broken RTAI? things are all out of sequence
[23:51:04] <andypugh> No good for 2009, AFAIK?
[23:51:25] <JT-Shop> http://psha.org.ru/irc/search/?q=lathe+rear+toolpost&channel=emc&go=Go
[23:53:46] <clytle374> pcw_home, could be.. not used to this, what's out of sequence?
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[23:54:35] <andypugh> JT-Shop, Ah, OK. Still no help though.
[23:54:57] <andypugh> I do have a feeling that this is a solved issue, though.
[23:55:40] <jt-plasma> clytle374: this is my dmesg file if it helps to look at it for order http://pastebin.com/15sdUF6j
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[23:56:13] <clytle374> thanks
[23:56:22] <JT-Shop> I don't remember
[23:56:41] <JT-Shop> I'm still confused as to what mastor is seeking
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[23:59:24] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I think he wants intuitive display for a rear-toolpost lathe, that being the most common CNC layout. http://www.kollewin.com/EX/09-16-07/CNC_Lathe_l.jpg as an example
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[23:59:50] <mastor> that is it