#emc | Logs for 2011-12-11

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[00:01:05] <Mjolinor> I also thought I was going to have to add soemthign to stop the jog wheels woirking if EMC was cutting but it seems to do that automatically
[00:01:10] <Mjolinor> at least so far anyway
[00:01:32] <Tom_itx> manual mode
[00:01:43] <Tom_itx> i think it's disabled in auto
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[00:50:27] <jtektool> anybody know where to install rtai modules from source as in where does emc expect them to be i notice not in /usr/realtime
[00:54:00] <jtektool> oh found it lib/modules?
[00:54:54] <danimal_laptop> hi
[00:55:32] <jtektool> symbolic link to /lib/modules/2.6.32-122-rtai/rtai?
[00:57:17] <jtektool> idea was i wrote a script to install rtai from source with comedi and add emc2 for motion control plus data acquisition
[00:58:09] <jtektool> was able to do succesfully from a virtual box but have not tested on a real machine so i have no idea if rtai is actually working
[00:58:24] <jtektool> but everything installed
[01:02:55] <andypugh> jtektool: I think it gets inconveniently hard-coded at compile time, but the symlink might bypass that
[01:03:31] <danimal_laptop> andypugh: i got a glass scale for the knee
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[01:05:16] <andypugh> quadrature or absolute/
[01:05:48] <danimal_laptop> quadrature is what i was told
[01:05:53] <jtektool> hard coded from emc or rtai modules
[01:06:12] <jtektool> i can select different install directory in rtai make menuconfig
[01:06:49] <jtektool> but that may mess with my comedi install
[01:06:56] <andypugh> It's been a while, and I knew almost nothing about EMC2, RTAI or even Linux at the time.
[01:07:25] <jtektool> so easy way out is a symlink then
[01:07:29] <andypugh> You can run rtai in a virtual machine, by the way. I do it often
[01:08:10] <jtektool> oh didnt try i assumed it wouldnt work
[01:08:21] <jtektool> using sun vbox?
[01:08:26] <andypugh> If you have EMC2 installed (and not just RTAI) then halrun gives you a pretty easy way to check that it is all working
[01:08:42] <jtektool> thanks
[01:08:52] <andypugh> I do it in VMware on a Mac. Latency is _awful_ but it does run.
[01:09:39] <jtektool> i cant wait to get back to my machine at work it was getting <3000 latency
[01:10:08] <jtektool> a 70$ atom board too
[01:12:00] <andypugh> Yeah, we like the cheap Atom boards.
[01:14:45] <alex4nder-> jtektool: which part are you using?
[01:14:51] <alex4nder-> (which motherboard)
[01:16:13] <jtektool> i dunno its the same atom atom board on the wiki let me think
[01:18:00] <jtektool> Intel D945GCLF2
[01:18:03] <jtektool> 2 gb
[01:18:29] <jtektool> <<<cheated and looked it up
[01:18:47] <alex4nder-> ah
[01:18:57] <jtektool> isolcpus=1 drops latency in half
[01:19:30] <jtektool> using corsair ram too
[01:19:30] <alex4nder-> that's basically turning off SMP right?
[01:19:38] <jtektool> basically
[01:19:45] <alex4nder-> yah, that makes sense.
[01:19:47] <jtektool> you still compile it in kernel
[01:20:23] <jtektool> turn off hyperthreading too
[01:20:36] <jtektool> in bios
[01:21:15] <jtektool> still though 6000 latency isnt too bad either
[01:21:29] <andypugh> alex4nder-: No, that isn't turning of SMP, that is giving RTAI a core to itself, and running the rest of the OS on the othe cores.
[01:21:47] <alex4nder-> andypugh: oh RTAI will take it over completely?
[01:21:52] <andypugh> Yes
[01:21:56] <alex4nder-> I had no idea.
[01:22:26] <jtektool> ^^^your right
[01:22:57] <alex4nder-> well that's still turning off SMP from the schedulers perspective
[01:23:06] <alex4nder-> but that's really useful
[01:23:24] <syyl_> hmm
[01:23:30] <syyl_> got my spindle encoder working..
[01:23:36] <syyl_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2011-12-10_22-04-13_702.jpg
[01:23:44] <syyl_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2011-12-10_23-56-33_702.jpg
[01:24:05] <syyl_> getting a nice rectangular signal..
[01:24:06] <syyl_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2011-12-10_23-56-47_216.jpg
[01:24:20] <jdhNC> wow, some scope!
[01:24:41] <syyl_> relict of the cold war ;)
[01:24:48] <andypugh> alex4nder-: I was thinking that the "S" in "SMP" was no longer entirely accurate.
[01:25:03] <Tom_itx> andypugh, where do you set that at? i turned off the hyperthreadiing in the bios..
[01:25:31] <alex4nder-> andypugh: yah
[01:25:50] <andypugh> isolcpus is a boot option
[01:26:37] <andypugh> Tom_itx: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?The_Isolcpus_Boot_Parameter_And_GRUB2
[01:26:59] <Tom_itx> does it help that board that much?
[01:27:47] <jtektool> it does mine i dunno about others
[01:27:58] <jtektool> i think its more touch and go
[01:28:34] <jtektool> and do you really need <3000 latency
[01:28:53] <andypugh> A factor of 2 seems high. And it is very debatable if it is necessary. 15k latency lets you run a base thread fast enough to overwhelm most stepper motors, and if you are using external step/pwm hardware then 50k is fine.
[01:29:13] <jdhNC> 6+ RB's for sale in the last day or two
[01:29:21] <jdhNC> <urk>
[01:29:22] <Tom_itx> pretty sure mine is under the 15k mark as is
[01:29:43] <jtektool> overall system speed does seem slightly slower but im not trying to run a web browser lol
[01:30:01] <jtektool> not at my shop but i can post a video showing im telling the truth
[01:30:19] <Tom_itx> nobody doubts anything on irc
[01:30:21] <Tom_itx> ya know!
[01:30:30] <jtektool> lol
[01:31:09] <jtektool> with hyper threading on i think it bumps up closr to 8000 even
[01:31:36] <jtektool> i was just tweaking my system to see what i could push it to
[01:32:55] <andypugh> I can believe 3k, I am just saying that it is rather more than enough.
[01:33:14] <jtektool> yah but i want to add data acquisition too
[01:33:25] <jtektool> so it will pull some
[01:33:28] <Tom_itx> what file did you edit?
[01:33:39] <Tom_itx> i don't see the one they mention
[01:34:03] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Did you check that wiki page I posted?
[01:34:03] <jtektool> mount /dev/sda1 /boot
[01:34:18] <jtektool> nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[01:34:30] <jtektool> or is it .config
[01:34:47] <jtektool> anyways use tab auto completion it at the end of the kernel line
[01:34:52] <Tom_itx> it mentioned menu.lst
[01:34:52] <jtektool> kernel paramaters
[01:35:01] <jtektool> its actually the same
[01:35:10] <jtektool> if you edit either one does not matter
[01:35:10] <Tom_itx> andy yes i'm reading it
[01:35:37] <andypugh> That basically says that it isn't menu.lst any more.
[01:35:46] <Tom_itx> ok
[01:36:07] <jtektool> please dont chastize me im a gentoo guy if im wrong about stuff
[01:36:27] <jtektool> ive actuall had a huge learning curve with ubuntu usually its the other way around
[01:36:43] <jdhNC> it's ok, we'll speak really slow for you
[01:36:57] <jtektool> haha gentoo compile=slow
[01:37:32] <jdhNC> http://funroll-loops.info/
[01:37:39] <jdhNC> that's the offical gentoo page?
[01:39:37] <skunkKandT> http://imagebin.org/186546
[01:40:03] <skunkKandT> M4n68t-m v2
[01:40:05] <skunkKandT> asus
[01:40:11] <skunkKandT> without isocups
[01:40:14] <jtektool> haha
[01:40:22] <skunkKandT> never thought about trying that...
[01:40:23] <Danimal_garage> so im going to put 5 buttons on my pannel... coolant, e stop, run, and resume. can you think of anything else i should have? i'll have a touch screen as well
[01:40:58] <jtektool> cut my teeth on red-hat but it kept fucking up on me in like 2000
[01:41:06] <jtektool> so i went to slackware
[01:41:29] <jdhNC> wow, that seems backwards
[01:41:35] <jtektool> then settled on gentoo cuz i was tired of manually compiling
[01:41:49] <jtektool> yeah but i wrote my first computer program at 8
[01:42:02] <jtektool> so text ui is more natural for me
[01:42:23] <jtektool> your talking 1986 dos and atari basic
[01:42:30] <andypugh> jdhNC: I can see where they are coming from. It's not my world (I run Macs) but it's a valid worldview.
[01:43:17] <jtektool> macs are free bsd under the hood btw another distro i love
[01:43:32] <andypugh> I wrote my first computer program at 12. It would have been very expensive at 8. :-)
[01:43:49] <jtektool> i get so frustrated with auto installs and automagic voodoo in ubuntu
[01:43:59] <andypugh> jtektool: Yeah, I am paying Apple to do pure-source builds for me :-)
[01:44:11] <jtektool> my dad was a cad enineer
[01:44:27] <jtektool> and i cant spell lol
[01:44:44] <jtektool> so we always had the latest hardware laying around
[01:46:33] <andypugh> I sold my first program at 14 :-). If you want to play it, here it is: http://tinyurl.com/dxdzv5x
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[01:46:58] <jtektool> sold it??
[01:47:04] <jtektool> haha
[01:49:44] <jtektool> reminds me a lot of that old game with two cannons firing at each other
[01:49:47] <andypugh> This one was written by somebody else lurking here, it's much more fun: http://tinyurl.com/crlmuo8
[01:51:26] <Tom_itx> why does he use a 07_rtai file instead of changing the grub.cfg?
[01:52:06] <Tom_itx> i'm no linux guru..
[01:52:27] <jtektool> who is using 07_rtai
[01:52:37] <Tom_itx> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?The_Isolcpus_Boot_Parameter_And_GRUB2
[01:54:58] <jtektool> looks like a global config file
[01:55:25] <jtektool> not so privy to grub2
[01:56:18] <andypugh> Tom_itx: grub.cfg is global to all kernels. That page is attempting to isolcpus only the rtai-patched kernels
[01:56:37] <jtektool> thats what i meant you beat me
[01:56:49] <jtektool> ?-)
[01:57:00] <Tom_itx> so it's ok to edit the .cfg in our case?
[01:57:20] <jtektool> but when you edit grub.cfg you can select by kernel
[01:57:48] <jtektool> say you have 2.6.32-122-rtai you can add it only to when that kernel boots
[01:58:28] <jtektool> but if you have say 2.6.37-rtai and dont want it to load on that one you dont have to add it to that line
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[02:00:06] <jtektool> or you can compile two identical kernel versions with different paramaters and add that to your menu so you can choose to load one with isolcpus=1 and one not
[02:00:58] <jtektool> at boot time
[02:02:25] <jtektool> or you can add another line and copy (someone help me here i dont remember the kernel name for ubuntu) /boot/[some_kernel] /boot/[some_kernelv2]
[02:02:26] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Which OS are you running?
[02:03:09] <jtektool> im getting to deep for a newbie prolly boom
[02:03:21] <Tom_itx> andy, the live cd install
[02:03:28] <andypugh> Which one?
[02:03:36] <Tom_itx> 10.04
[02:04:29] <jtektool> and put the isolcpus in the descriptor
[02:04:32] <andypugh> In that case grub.dfg gets regenerated (I think) so editing it isn't much help
[02:04:51] <Tom_itx> yeah it says not to edit it
[02:05:04] <jtektool> running from live cd?
[02:05:10] <Tom_itx> no
[02:05:17] <jtektool> or installed
[02:05:18] <andypugh> Installed from LiveCD
[02:05:20] <Tom_itx> the live cd installed
[02:05:29] <jtektool> you can edit the grub.cfg
[02:05:54] <jtektool> it works on my test system just dont change the kernel name
[02:05:56] <andypugh> jtektool: You can, but it won't stick. It's a Ubuntu 10.04 thing
[02:06:12] <jtektool> thats anothe this is why i hate ubuntu thing
[02:06:41] <jtektool> it feels like windows or a mac to me
[02:06:45] <andypugh> Yeah, it's hard to see what they were up to with Grub2
[02:06:46] <Tom_itx> yours may have reverted back and you don't know it
[02:06:59] <jtektool> well it stays running
[02:07:05] <jtektool> its an atom
[02:07:13] <Tom_itx> so is mine
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[02:09:53] <jtektool> etc/default/grub?
[02:14:23] <jtektool> grub 2 is kinda like when they changed apache configs
[02:14:32] <jtektool> drives me crazy
[02:14:34] <Tom_itx> been there
[02:14:59] <jtektool> hey tom im sshd into my machine to see whats going on
[02:15:56] <Tom_itx> i tried his method
[02:16:59] <jtektool> yeah your right its not surviving reboot dammit UBUNTU
[02:17:58] <Tom_itx> does this require a reboot?
[02:18:13] <Tom_itx> i did a grub update
[02:19:21] <jtektool> yeah you have to reload kernel
[02:20:31] <jtektool> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash isolcpus=1"
[02:21:06] <jtektool> do you see that line in /etc/default/grub
[02:21:27] <jtektool> then run update-grub
[02:21:33] <jtektool> im trying this now
[02:21:44] <Tom_itx> not the isolcpus=1 part
[02:21:54] <jtektool> you would add that
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[02:22:07] <jtektool> do you know your latency test as is
[02:22:08] <jtektool> ?
[02:22:20] <Tom_itx> it's running right now
[02:22:28] <Tom_itx> 9k and 11k base
[02:22:44] <jtektool> andy jump in here anytime ubuntu auto magic makes me pull my hair out
[02:22:58] <Tom_itx> add that iso line below the other one?
[02:23:11] <jtektool> no inside the quotes
[02:23:17] <jtektool> with the other options
[02:23:41] <alex4nder-> woot
[02:23:47] <fester_> I am currently running 10.04 (Lucid) and am trying to install EMC2. I downloaded and burned the LiveCD, but it wants to re-install 10.04. I've also tried downloading using apt-get, but the repository seems to be down. Yes, I have run the install script (unsuccessfully). How do I install emc2 on an existing 10.04 machine?
[02:24:11] <jtektool> sudo update-grub
[02:24:21] <jtektool> must be run to add the new options
[02:25:08] <fester_> Was 'sudo update-grub' intended for fester?
[02:26:14] <Tom_itx> no
[02:27:52] <fester_> It has recently come to my attention that since I'm running Lucid in 64-bit, I might have to compile emc2 myself. Correct?
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[02:28:55] <Tom_itx> seemed to make a difference
[02:29:40] <Tom_itx> well maybe not
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[02:37:10] <jtektool> ok my windows crashed so i rebooted into linux
[02:37:16] <jtektool> you still here tom
[02:38:01] <jtektool> probably a virus my wireless card cutout weird works fine under linux kernel
[02:38:09] <jtektool> WTF
[02:38:55] <Tom_itx> i don't see that it made much difference if any
[02:39:13] <jtektool> what processor are you using
[02:39:19] <jtektool> it may not have loaded
[02:39:26] <jtektool> atom 330?
[02:39:27] <Tom_itx> D525 cheap atom board
[02:39:37] <jtektool> it has dual proc right
[02:39:42] <Tom_itx> yup
[02:40:31] <jtektool> weird mable kerlel parameters didnt load it halved my latency
[02:40:42] <jtektool> or maybe it just works for certain boards
[02:42:44] <Tom_itx> i didn't restart ubuntu
[02:42:47] <Tom_itx> do i need to?
[02:42:52] <jtektool> oh yeah
[02:43:04] <Tom_itx> i did update grub
[02:43:11] <jtektool> you did sudo update-grub too right?
[02:43:15] <Tom_itx> yes
[02:43:30] <jtektool> kernel MUST be reloaded
[02:43:37] <jtektool> (reboot)
[02:44:29] <Tom_itx> k
[02:44:42] <jtektool> im following the steps on mine too
[02:45:56] <jtektool> anybody know the command line executable for latency test
[02:46:08] <Tom_itx> so what does that do.. dedicate a core to rtai?
[02:46:18] <jtektool> yes
[02:46:41] <jtektool> http://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/question/static/linux-kernel-parameters.php
[02:48:09] <andypugh> That linuxcnc Wiki page says how to make the grub.cfg stick. It does seem to be the only way with 10.04.
[02:48:19] <Tom_itx> yeah
[02:48:26] <Tom_itx> this seems to have helped
[02:48:33] <andypugh> Don't ask me to explain it or defend it, I can do neither.
[02:48:39] <Tom_itx> so far i get ~7k and 7k base thread
[02:48:44] <Tom_itx> was around 11k
[02:49:00] <jtektool> so andy your saying /etc/default/grub isnt it?
[02:49:00] <andypugh> In fact, time to sleep. Night all
[02:49:05] <Tom_itx> aww
[02:49:14] <jtektool> so it worked
[02:49:29] <Tom_itx> yeah i can tell because the brouser got sluggish too
[02:49:30] <jtektool> check hyperthreading in bios next
[02:49:37] <Tom_itx> i did that the other day
[02:49:43] <jtektool> like i said it would
[02:49:46] <andypugh> jtektool: Yes, Ubuntu 10.04 makes grub.cfg a mcahine-generated file. You need to add a new rule
[02:50:11] <Tom_itx> so i edited /etc/default/grub
[02:50:17] <jtektool> well /etc/default/grub survived reboot
[02:50:21] <jtektool> as tom says^^
[02:50:32] <jtektool> <<<not starting a flame war please
[02:50:38] <andypugh> Hey, I am just parroting stuff I read :-)
[02:50:44] <jtektool> lol
[02:50:51] <Jymmm> go to bed
[02:50:56] <jtektool> i learned something new today
[02:51:01] <Tom_itx> yeah mine survived too
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[02:51:26] <Tom_itx> ~8k base now
[02:51:30] <jtektool> cool glad i could help ;)
[02:52:08] <jtektool> not quite half though
[02:52:18] <Tom_itx> no
[02:52:20] <jtektool> but still can c a diff
[02:52:33] <jtektool> do you know the executable for the latency test
[02:53:14] <jdhNC> latency-test
[02:53:56] <Tom_itx> :/
[02:54:26] <jtektool> im in a shell thanks
[02:54:46] <jtektool> yeah its still like halving mine not quite i gained about 2500
[02:54:52] <jtektool> but im thru a ssh
[02:54:54] <jdhNC> what does 'locate latency' do?
[02:55:14] <jtektool> find latency thru slocate program
[02:55:20] <jtektool> updatedb
[02:55:26] <jtektool> updates the slocate database
[02:55:48] <jtektool> but if it wasnt called latency something you wouldnt find shit
[02:55:54] <jdhNC> really
[02:56:16] <jtektool> locate is like an index of all files on your system
[02:56:25] <jtektool> but must be updated
[02:56:34] <jtektool> with updatedb
[02:56:42] <jtektool> after you add files to your disk
[02:57:11] <jtektool> <<<i thought you were being a smart a** at first
[02:57:19] <jtektool> sorry
[02:58:30] <jdhNC> I was.
[02:58:36] <jtektool> dick
[02:58:53] <jdhNC> how about latency<tab><tab>?
[02:59:08] <jtektool> well it wasnt finding it i tried both those first
[02:59:22] <jtektool> ive been fing with my system so the files arent there
[02:59:59] <jtektool> if your so smart have you gotten emc compiled against comedi libs
[03:00:49] <jdhNC> I haven't even heard of any comedi stuff in years.
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[03:01:38] <jtektool> well its a big fat pain in the ass but i got a system with both comedi data acquisition and emc for motion control
[03:03:05] <jtektool> are you american jdhNC?
[03:03:06] <jdhNC> do you have any working comedi apps? Does anyone use it?
[03:03:14] <jdhNC> indeed I am.
[03:03:27] <jtektool> scilab and we are using it for testing voltages
[03:03:42] <jtektool> you r forgiven for your smart assedness
[03:03:49] <jtektool> cuz i am too
[03:04:02] <jtektool> a smart ass and an american LOL
[03:05:08] <fester_> Is this the right place to ask about getting emc2 installed?
[03:05:27] <jtektool> if you want what disto are you using?
[03:05:30] <jdhNC> indeed it is, ask away.
[03:05:47] <fester_> I'm running 10.04 (Lucid).
[03:06:25] <jtektool> the new just loaded off of ubuntu site 10.04.03?
[03:06:36] <jtektool> cuz i ran into that one as well
[03:06:42] <jtektool> you have to:
[03:07:12] <jtektool> hold on im pulling up a script i wrote
[03:07:16] <fester_> I don't know. I just take the LTS updates as they become available.
[03:07:41] <jtektool> do you have a lot of junk on your computer
[03:07:44] <jtektool> that you need
[03:08:56] <fester_> I don't think so, but that's all relative. I'm trying to convert to emc2 from SketchUp running under wine. Other than that most of what I have is pretty much standard.
[03:09:37] <jtektool> dont do any updates and try this:
[03:10:01] <jtektool> sudo apt-get remove python-imaging
[03:10:19] <jtektool> sudo apt-get install python-tk python-numpy python-imaging-tk
[03:10:41] <jtektool> sudo apt-get install cvs subversion build-essential
[03:11:02] <jtektool> sudo apt-get install libtool automake libncurses5-dev
[03:11:33] <jtektool> sudo apt-get install libgnomeprint2.2-0 libgnomeprintui2.2-0 libreadline5 tk8.5 tcl8.5 bwidget
[03:11:58] <jtektool> <<<<still following me right put this in a text file>>>>
[03:12:21] <jtektool> dont lose your place
[03:12:44] <jtektool> echo deb http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid lucid base emc2.4 > /tmp/linuxcnc.list
[03:13:05] <jtektool> echo deb-src http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid lucid base emc2.4 >> /tmp/linuxcnc.list
[03:13:21] <jtektool> sudo mv /tmp/linuxcnc.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[03:13:34] <jtektool> gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 8F374FEF
[03:13:48] <jtektool> gpg -a --export 8F374FEF | sudo apt-key add -
[03:14:21] <jtektool> sudo apt-get update
[03:14:39] <jtektool> sudo apt-get install hostmot2-firmware-all
[03:14:52] <jtektool> sudo apt-get install emc2
[03:15:17] <jtektool> reboot into rtai kernel and your done
[03:15:26] <fester_> Still following, and copied into gedit. Does it matter that I'm running 64-bit?
[03:15:40] <jtektool> oh shit maybe
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[03:16:29] <jdhNC> what do you mean by 'convert to emc2 from SketchUp'?
[03:16:50] <fester_> I don't have rtai and since I don't use a password to get into my (home) system, I have no way to boot into rtai if I had it.
[03:17:17] <jtektool> it will load rtai in the depends but i dont know about 64 bit never tried it
[03:17:55] <fester_> I have a mess of SketchUp files, which now have to be re-written in emc2 so I can run them through the cnc process. No, I'm not suggesting I'll be able to do anything with the SketchUp files in emc2.
[03:18:48] <jtektool> sorry about 64 bit
[03:19:15] <fester_> RTAI is not available through Synaptic, and the last version appears to be dated from a year agao.
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[03:19:45] <jtektool> it pulls it in from the added repositories i added abovr
[03:20:15] <jtektool> thats what those lines say echo this and echo that
[03:20:22] <fester_> so....apt-get install rtai gets added to the file?
[03:20:42] <jtektool> you dont have to apt-get install rtai
[03:21:06] <jtektool> apt-get install emc2 pulls it in for you
[03:21:38] <jtektool> echo deb http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid lucid base emc2.4 > /tmp/linuxcnc.list
[03:21:55] <jtektool> echo deb-src http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid lucid base emc2.4 >> /tmp/linuxcnc.list
[03:22:06] <jtektool> sudo mv /tmp/linuxcnc.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[03:22:17] <jtektool> gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 8F374FEF
[03:22:31] <jtektool> gpg -a --export 8F374FEF | sudo apt-key add -
[03:22:47] <fester_> How do I get the machine to allow me to boot to rtai when I'm not entering a password? Is there a key to press on boot?
[03:23:12] <jtektool> it will automatically add it to your boot menu
[03:23:28] <jtektool> but i still think 64 bit is going to be you r problem
[03:23:43] <jdhNC> you have an existing cnc machine running under emc2?
[03:23:48] <fester_> I don't get a boot menu. The thing just goes straight to my desktop.
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[03:24:06] <jtektool> are you talking to me existing machine yes i have two
[03:24:13] <jtektool> or him
[03:24:14] <fester_> No previous emc2. I'm just hoping it will output an IGES file.
[03:24:26] <jdhNC> hoping what will output and IGES file?
[03:25:08] <fester_> I'm hoping any file I create under emc2 can output to an IGES file.
[03:25:24] <jtektool> i dont think you understand what emc2 does
[03:25:27] <jdhNC> emc2 is a machine controller, it outputs machine controls
[03:25:42] <fester_> It outputs g coddes?
[03:25:49] <jtektool> it can output gcode from a picture
[03:25:49] <jdhNC> no, it inputs g-code
[03:25:52] <fester_> g codes? (sorry)
[03:26:05] <jtektool> .jpg
[03:27:53] <fester_> I'm supposed to create files describing the parts I want to have made, to be output in IGES. I'm running Lucid. What (free) program should I be looking at?
[03:28:24] <jdhNC> blender maybe?
[03:30:18] <fester_> Nope. Blender is for visual effects. I'll keep looking. Thanks for the help!
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[03:30:30] <jtektool> http://librecad.org/cms/home.html
[03:30:37] <jtektool> not sure about ige though
[03:30:41] <jtektool> iges
[03:31:12] <jdhNC> inventor is the only thing I've ever seen that did IGES, but I've never looked
[03:31:40] <jtektool> allibre does iges i think
[03:31:52] <jtektool> keycreator def does iges
[03:32:19] <syyl_> most big cad packages can do iges...
[03:32:26] <jtektool> http://www.alibre.com/products/exchange.asp
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[04:05:07] <alex4nder-> hey
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[04:18:15] <Danimal_garage> hi
[04:18:37] <Tom_itx> hey
[04:19:23] <alex4nder-> Danimal_garage: how's it?
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[04:20:36] <Danimal_garage> not too bad, just working on the mill
[04:20:44] <Danimal_garage> you?
[04:20:47] <alex4nder-> cool, what're you doing to it?
[04:22:31] <Danimal_garage> working on the control pannel/box
[04:22:44] <Danimal_garage> just got the pannel powdercoated
[04:23:00] <Danimal_garage> laying out some cutouits for the vga and usb ports now
[04:23:06] <Danimal_garage> cutouts*
[04:23:08] <alex4nder-> nice
[04:24:21] <alex4nder-> I'm manually writing toolpaths to mill out a grid holder/case for my ER16 collets
[04:24:35] <Danimal_garage> nice
[04:24:40] <Danimal_garage> sounds like work lol
[04:24:55] <Tom_itx> subroutines?
[04:25:01] <alex4nder-> yah, I'm my confronted with math I haven't done anything with in 10 years
[04:25:12] <Danimal_garage> lol
[04:25:34] <alex4nder-> Tom_itx: I'm using Python to act as macros for g-code
[04:25:48] <alex4nder-> er I'm being
[04:25:56] * alex4nder- stops typing and reading
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[04:33:26] <Danimal_garage> yawn
[04:35:31] <JaegerBar> hi
[04:38:35] <JaegerBar> yeah i saw how a laser engraver works
[04:38:42] <JaegerBar> that will be a lot faster than mechanical engraving
[04:38:50] <JaegerBar> wise investment
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[05:23:10] <Danimal_garage> yay, usb and vga ports cut out
[05:23:32] <Danimal_garage> now i just need to figure out how i'm going to install it on the machine
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[05:54:34] <Danimal_garage> sweet! it's done and ready for powdercoat
[05:55:41] <ve7it> 50
[05:56:01] <alex4nder-> woot
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[06:12:11] <Danimal_garage> http://www.flickr.com/photos/66828621@N02/6490866283/in/photostream
[06:12:18] <Danimal_garage> the front pannel
[06:12:39] <Danimal_garage> not engraved yet obviously
[06:19:42] <JaegerBar> thx
[06:20:03] <JaegerBar> damn did you anodize all those too?
[06:20:25] <danimal_laptop> no
[06:21:06] <JaegerBar> pretty slick tho
[06:21:33] <danimal_laptop> does anyone have a dxf or dwg file for the emc2 logo?
[06:21:35] <danimal_laptop> thanks
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[06:53:29] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: on/in the iso?
[06:54:26] <danimal_laptop> huh?
[06:54:35] <danimal_laptop> the file?
[06:55:22] <Jymmm> maybe
[06:55:53] <danimal_laptop> the default g code when you start emc....the toolpath says emc2 axis... i want to shrink it and engrave it on the control pannel
[06:56:14] <danimal_laptop> dont really need to, just figured why not
[06:56:23] <Jymmm> isn't there a gcode to dxf util?
[06:56:32] <danimal_laptop> i dont know
[06:56:39] <danimal_laptop> that'd be cool
[06:56:41] <Jymmm> or cant you scale the gcode?
[06:56:54] <danimal_laptop> not that i know of
[06:57:33] <danimal_laptop> see the control pannel for the new mill? http://www.flickr.com/photos/66828621@N02/6490866283/in/photostream
[06:58:15] <Jymmm> cool
[06:58:24] <danimal_laptop> still gotta engrave it
[07:00:11] <Jymmm> somebody has to have it I'm sure
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[07:25:59] <alex4nder-> woot
[07:26:05] <alex4nder-> my collet holder turned out great.
[07:26:19] <danimal_laptop> sweet!
[07:26:24] <danimal_laptop> pics?
[07:26:34] <alex4nder-> I'm encoding a quick video right now
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[08:20:52] <alex4nder-> danimal_laptop: http://www.andern.org/alexander/taig_milling_wood.m4v <- it's loud, there's a vacuum on the whole time
[08:22:44] <JaegerBar> cool you're making a woodshop too
[08:23:00] <alex4nder-> not really
[08:23:23] <JaegerBar> you should make some really high end coat hangers and sell them like danimal does his gears
[08:23:38] <alex4nder-> yah, I could
[08:23:46] <alex4nder-> when you have your own mill, that's an option
[08:23:57] <JaegerBar> wood products can sell really well
[08:24:01] <Eartaker> you could run a higher feed rate
[08:24:18] <alex4nder-> yup
[08:24:46] <Eartaker> anyone play with Mach3?
[08:24:47] <alex4nder-> I have it capped at 30 IPM, and I think I had feed override set to 80
[08:25:44] <JaegerBar> what's your RPM alex?
[08:25:44] <alex4nder-> er 80%
[08:25:48] <alex4nder-> 10k
[08:25:55] <JaegerBar> is that the TAIG max?
[08:26:38] <alex4nder-> yup
[08:27:04] <JaegerBar> that may be fast enough to do PCBs actually. What's the total cost for your CNC kit?
[08:27:14] <alex4nder-> you mean if I sold you a kit?
[08:28:06] <JaegerBar> yeah well i mean how much did it cost you just for the CNC conversion, not the total cost of the Taig and the CNC
[08:28:18] <alex4nder-> I don't know, I'd have to go check receipts.
[08:28:30] <JaegerBar> yeah if you sold me a kit with your little markup for being you
[08:28:35] <JaegerBar> 4%?
[08:28:55] <JaegerBar> i'm just kidding but yeah if you could in a few days add all those receipts up
[08:29:15] <alex4nder-> uh, yah that's probably not going to happen
[08:29:25] <JaegerBar> just approximate it then yikes
[08:29:28] <JaegerBar> you're an engineer
[08:29:38] <alex4nder-> but if I had to guess I've spent $750 on stuff
[08:30:07] <JaegerBar> so that's about $1700 total for the mill + CNC
[08:30:10] <JaegerBar> hey that's not bad
[08:30:25] <alex4nder-> closer to $2k but yah
[08:30:29] <JaegerBar> can't wait to see your aluminium videos
[08:35:34] <JaegerBar> i like that wood contraption, is that a spice holder?
[08:36:59] <alex4nder-> yes
[08:37:18] <alex4nder-> small glass jars full of cumin and paprika
[08:39:23] <JaegerBar> you make a lotta chili?
[08:39:52] <alex4nder-> only when I'm in texas
[08:40:05] <JaegerBar> lol ok
[08:40:15] <alex4nder-> it's a collet holder
[08:50:05] <JaegerBar> gotcha, that was my next guess actually
[08:50:20] <JaegerBar> figured you're more of a chowder guy anyhow
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[09:34:05] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[09:34:06] <Eartaker> 2k for a taig O_o
[09:35:29] <Eartaker> 3.5K = http://www.eartaker.net/machining/milling/zx45.php
[09:36:18] <Loetmichel> Eartaker: how much is a taig without cnc?
[09:36:24] <Eartaker> not sure
[09:37:43] <Loetmichel> and why is it better than a sieg x2?
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[09:45:19] <Eartaker> mine or a taig?
[09:46:19] <Eartaker> I have a X2 and my 45 is 4X the size
[09:48:07] <Eartaker> X2 is 80 lbs the 45 is 1000lbs
[09:48:25] <Eartaker> im guessing your talking about the taig though?
[09:48:50] <Eartaker> you joined in late alex4nder- has a taig not me
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[09:50:46] <Loetmichel> Eartaker: i wanted to know why pay $3k5 for a cnc taig if one can get the same with a x2 and some work for a $1000 or $1500
[09:50:48] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[09:51:04] <Eartaker> Loetmichel, I was wondering the same
[09:51:12] <Eartaker> i guess he paid 2k for the taid
[09:51:14] <Eartaker> taig
[09:51:35] <Loetmichel> and i thougt " maybe a taig is the "deckel" in small machines?"
[09:51:39] <Eartaker> I have ~1k in my X2 and I want to destroy it
[09:51:50] <Eartaker> not sure
[09:52:00] <Eartaker> could be
[09:52:06] <Eartaker> I know its made in the USA
[09:53:20] <Eartaker> I should use my new mill to fix my X2
[09:53:34] <Eartaker> the X2 binds on the x and y
[09:53:39] <Eartaker> shitty ways
[09:53:52] <Loetmichel> ... or do it like me and buld the mill from scratch ;-)
[09:54:04] <Eartaker> could lol
[09:54:10] <Eartaker> are you on cnczone?
[09:54:15] <Loetmichel> (one has to have access to a (bigger) mill then, though)
[09:54:27] <Loetmichel> no
[09:54:30] <Eartaker> did you look at my link?
[09:54:41] <Loetmichel> i am german so i am on peters CNC corner
[09:54:42] <Eartaker> I have a a RF-45 clone
[09:55:03] <Loetmichel> i've seen it
[09:55:06] <Eartaker> ah
[09:55:25] <Eartaker> I was thinking about using it to re-mill the ways on the X2
[09:56:02] <Loetmichel> hmm, wouldnt scraping be more sufficient?
[09:56:24] <Loetmichel> or is it THAT bad?
[09:56:48] * Loetmichel used ball bearings and roung ground stock on his mills for ways
[09:57:14] <Eartaker> well I was actualy thinking about using the X2 head to build a 4th axis for my 45
[09:57:23] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8884
[09:57:28] <Eartaker> then taking the steppers from the X2 and converting one of my lathes
[09:57:29] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8881
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[09:58:09] <Loetmichel> ( my next mill, work in progress)
[09:58:14] <Eartaker> nice
[09:58:19] <Eartaker> gantry ?
[09:58:25] <Eartaker> for wood?
[09:58:34] <Loetmichel> ... an abandoned project: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=359
[09:58:50] <Eartaker> ooo
[09:58:53] <Loetmichel> yes/yes and no, can do aluminium (slowly) also
[09:59:07] <Eartaker> ahh
[09:59:21] <Eartaker> I have been milling steel lately
[09:59:28] <Loetmichel> same "ways": http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=335
[09:59:49] <Eartaker> heh thats cool
[09:59:54] <Eartaker> I like how you did that
[10:00:08] <Eartaker> but no way to adjust tension
[10:00:25] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=347
[10:01:19] <Loetmichel> thats simple. because the wood/fiber plastic acts like a spring one can make the sled slightly larger than the ways and rely on the tension in the bed ;-)
[10:01:35] <Eartaker> ahh
[10:01:44] <Eartaker> all that work just to abandon it?
[10:01:52] <Eartaker> better finish it
[10:01:55] <Eartaker> or sell it
[10:02:21] <Loetmichel> i have no longer access to the big mill and the 3mm gfk sheets to complete it
[10:02:27] <Eartaker> oh
[10:02:46] <Loetmichel> the small GFK mill was created on this mill:
[10:02:54] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935
[10:03:08] <Loetmichel> which i build for my ex boss
[10:03:17] <Loetmichel> have build
[10:03:25] <Loetmichel> (whats the past of building?
[10:05:08] <Eartaker> built
[10:05:33] <Loetmichel> btw: this big mill was about eur 4000 in materials
[10:05:35] <Eartaker> "which i built for my ex boss'
[10:05:49] <Eartaker> nice
[10:05:57] <Eartaker> I think I remember u telling me about this
[10:05:58] <Eartaker> lol
[10:06:02] <Loetmichel> and MUCH work... ( about 700 hrs)
[10:06:41] <Eartaker> ok im out for the night
[10:06:52] <Loetmichel> gb8, Eartaker
[10:06:55] <Loetmichel> gn8
[10:06:57] <Eartaker> night
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[12:07:25] <jtektool> are we on european time yet lol
[12:07:43] <jtektool> i got a script and just need helpers debugging
[12:08:02] <jtektool> ubuntu changed lts support version to 10.04.3
[12:08:31] <jtektool> anyways wrote a script to install emc2 with comedi support "I THINK"
[12:09:00] <jtektool> so i can get data acquisition on same emc2 compter
[12:10:25] <jtektool> that is computer
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[12:26:59] <jtektool> oh seems the script woerked anyways
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[14:55:02] <Loetmichel> ok, Spindle mounted. now i have to fix the watercooling, the VFD and adjust the spindle to be square with the table and i am good to go... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12530
[14:56:32] <Tom_itx> Loetmichel that little mill looks nice
[14:56:37] <Tom_itx> what you have done
[14:57:41] <Loetmichel> changed the Spindle
[14:58:02] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12518 <- yesterday ;-)
[14:58:27] <Loetmichel> 400W 5kRPM to 800W 24kRPM ;-)
[15:07:52] <Mjolinor> swapping big noise for big big noise
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[15:12:41] <archivist> Loetmichel, may need to stiffen the column to cope with extra forces
[15:12:59] <Mjolinor> it occurs to me that it should be possible to use a USB mouse, disconnect hte PS2 mouse from Ubuntu adn use hte PS2 mouse into HAL to give soem extra inputs, specfically 2 quadratuer signals (4 inputs) and buttons and a wheel
[15:13:50] <Loetmichel> Mjolinor: no, swapping no noise (only 400W, passive cooled) but slow to no noise (watercooled) but fast!
[15:14:16] <Loetmichel> Mjolinor: it IS possibe
[15:14:23] <Mjolinor> I keep looking at those spindles form China (I am assuming it is one of those)
[15:14:34] <Mjolinor> very low cost it seems to me, will be interested to see how it works out
[15:14:34] <archivist> no noise!, wishful thinking
[15:14:53] <Tom_itx> what collets do they use?
[15:14:55] <Loetmichel> i even had a usb optical mouse dismantled and had it look on some fine grinded aluminium as a "glass measurement bar"
[15:15:30] <syyl> when the cutter engages the material, the term "no noise" is a nice thing to remember ;)
[15:15:38] <Loetmichel> only problem: mous goes to sleep after a while and looses some movement at wakeup
[15:15:47] <Tom_itx> syyl, yeah that just means the cutter broke
[15:15:48] <Tom_itx> :)
[15:15:52] <syyl> hr
[15:15:54] <Loetmichel> syyl: ok, no spindle noise
[15:15:56] <syyl> "silent machining"
[15:16:06] <Loetmichel> vutting will generate noise, granted
[15:16:07] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:16:07] <Mjolinor> if it is optical but if you use an old ball mouse as hte starting point it shoudlnt happen
[15:16:29] <Loetmichel> Mjolinor: an optical sensor is VERY accirate
[15:16:33] <Loetmichel> accurate
[15:16:35] <Mjolinor> it doesn't seem to be too easy to disconnect it form ubunutu though and I have no idea what signal names the PS2 mouse owuld have to bring it into HAL
[15:16:47] <Loetmichel> opposed to a ball mouse
[15:17:15] <Mjolinor> yes but I am not meaning to actually use the mouse, use hte PS2 chip form the mouse and 2 quadrature encoders instead of the little ones
[15:17:18] <Loetmichel> and the sleeping can be circumvented, just need an other firmware in the mouse-µC
[15:17:58] <Mjolinor> presumably there is an ubuntu driver that handles the decoding of hte PS2 to produce the move signals and hte buttons fomr the serial data stream
[15:18:13] <Loetmichel> jou can do that but ps2 isnt really desinged not to loose any movements
[15:18:19] <Loetmichel> so i would go for usb
[15:18:21] <Mjolinor> but I dont know if the ps2 can be seperated fmor the USB in the mouse driver
[15:19:01] <Loetmichel> archivist: stiffen the column? why?
[15:19:16] <Mjolinor> anyway for now it isnt necessary, I have the quadrature inputs for X and Z on the parallel port
[15:19:44] <Mjolinor> but when I convert my other Orac I will have to add a second parallel port for the tool changer unless I can get the manual inputs on the PS2
[15:19:58] <Mjolinor> not enough pins :)
[15:20:29] <Mjolinor> I do have a PCI SCSI card, that would give me lots of IO if it were accessible
[15:21:01] <Tom_itx> http://home.roadrunner.com/~maccody/robotics/mouse_hack/mouse_hack.html
[15:21:11] <Tom_itx> not the one i was looking for
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[16:18:17] <skunkKandT> seb_kuzminsky: How are you liking the 7i48?
[16:20:41] <seb_kuzminsky> great! so far no problems, and now i have 2 extra servo channels, what's not to love!
[16:21:55] <skunkKandT> heh - I have open analog and 3 open encoder counters yet.. (out of 10)
[16:22:11] <skunkKandT> *4 open analog
[16:25:06] <pcw_home> Ahh but is the encoder velocity right?
[16:26:09] <skunkKandT> ?
[16:27:01] <pcw_home> (with the new bitfile)
[16:27:43] <skunkKandT> oh - funny. yes? (sorry - I have not tried it...)
[16:27:54] <skunkKandT> But seb_kuzminsky says it is working!!!
[16:29:06] <pcw_home> I suppose if he did not have to retune, its working
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[16:33:10] <skunkKandT> you made me think about my setup for a second.. I am using one of the analog outputs to the amc amps for velocity feedback.. But the velocity is actually coming from the 7i33...
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[16:35:38] <skunkKandT> (but going out the 7i48)
[16:36:28] <owhite> Does anyone have any experience with using an arduino board with the HAL interface? It's described here: http://axis.unpy.net/01198594294
[16:38:22] <skunkKandT> yes?
[16:40:02] <owhite> so the code that gets loaded on to the arduino is here: http://media.unpythonic.net/axis-files/01198594294/halintf.pde
[16:40:10] <skunkKandT> I used these directions... http://emergent.unpythonic.net/01198594294
[16:40:50] <skunkKandT> I know that one works... I am using it right now
[16:41:05] <owhite> and the question I had is if would be okay to add to this code, to output some information to an LCD. I didnt know if adding other operations would impact timing or something with HAL.
[16:41:27] <owhite> Thanks for the link - that's helpful.
[16:41:41] <skunkKandT> oh - that is above my pay grade...
[16:41:52] <skunkKandT> There is someone working on something similar though...
[16:42:02] <owhite> yeah well I guess there's no harm in just trying it.
[16:42:22] <owhite> I went look for jepler or cradek but they dont seem to be responding.
[16:42:43] <owhite> er, went lookING.
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[16:48:36] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: ping
[16:52:28] <danimal_laptop> oh hai
[16:53:23] <Jymmm> danimal_laptop: (was that to me?)
[16:53:54] <Tom_itx> are you 'hai'?
[16:54:06] <jdhNC> or 12?
[16:54:16] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Thought it might have been a type of 'hi'
[16:54:17] <danimal_laptop> 11 and a half
[16:54:30] <jdhNC> ASL????
[16:54:41] <danimal_laptop> HA!
[16:54:56] <danimal_laptop> 11/m/ca
[16:55:01] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: or 'ha'
[16:55:09] <Jymmm> danimal_laptop: *WACK*
[16:55:17] <danimal_laptop> Jymmm: stop messaging me, i'm not realy 11
[16:55:55] <Jymmm> danimal_laptop: I know you're just 4yo, it's ok
[16:55:59] <jdhNC> oh, it's Jymmmm Sandusky?
[16:56:18] <danimal_laptop> hahaha
[16:56:51] <alex4nder-> hey
[16:58:14] <Danimal_garage> hay
[16:58:25] <Jymmm> ho
[16:58:42] <Tom_itx> hai
[16:59:07] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: (((was that to me?))) ;)
[16:59:14] <Tom_itx> uh huh
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[16:59:58] <Jymmm> Well, that's 5m of our lives we'll never get back
[17:00:13] <Tom_itx> or want
[17:00:45] <Jymmm> true, not even worth the effort to eras the log files of it's existance
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[17:10:52] <Danimal_garage> lol
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[17:13:48] <Jymmm> Has anyone seen a SMA quick-release adapter by chance?
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[17:16:50] <A2Sheds> Jymmm: replace it with a BNC?
[17:17:34] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: No, like this F connector, but sma... http://www.brainelectronics.com/images/352132-1-1.jpg
[17:17:42] <A2Sheds> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CGEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Femersonconnectivity.com%2FOA_MEDIA%2Fcatalog%2FSMA%2520Quick%2520Connect.pdf&ei=mOXkToyfLcGCgweZ5aXiBQ&usg=AFQjCNE7Ne3Ql3yz0VZUy5aDbFMlgjRg_Q
[17:18:20] <A2Sheds> do you still want it to lock?
[17:18:39] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: That F doens't lock, just slip fit
[17:18:55] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: no lock needed/wanted
[17:18:59] <A2Sheds> I saw, but do you want it to lock?
[17:19:02] <A2Sheds> ah
[17:21:34] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: hawt damn http://www.crossrf.com/sma/adapters/to-sma/sma-push-on-plug-to-sma-jack-adapter
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[17:22:33] <Mjolinor> why would you want an SMA push on connector?
[17:22:52] <Jymmm> Mjolinor: for testing purposes
[17:23:10] <Loetmichel> [mad_scientist_laugther] "ITS ALIVE!!!!111" [/mad_scientist_laugther] -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12533
[17:23:47] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/pce/HFspindel_fertig.avi
[17:24:00] <Mjolinor> dont bother they are no good :)
[17:24:15] <Mjolinor> well they sort of defeat the object of paying for SMAs
[17:24:33] <Jymmm> Mjolinor: I can afford to lose a couple dB during testing.
[17:24:33] <Mjolinor> I did hav ea load of them set into D type plugs but I cant find them
[17:25:44] <Loetmichel> ... a little bit improvised, and to place the VFD on top of the water tank without any means of tastening is a little risky... but its working ;-)
[17:26:25] <Mjolinor> cant you jsut use a bottle and have hte water circulate through it?
[17:26:48] <Jymmm> Mjolinor: during testing I have to connect/disconnec the antenna frequently and it's a PITA as it's in a tight location.
[17:26:54] <Loetmichel> Mjolinor: for a while: yes ;-)
[17:32:39] <Jymmm> Mjolinor: So, will I lose more than a couple db using one?
[17:34:14] <Jymmm> Mjolinor: I'm about to order, so speak up! =)
[17:35:05] <Mjolinor> what frequency are you using?
[17:35:58] <Jymmm> satellite, so 1.2 to 6 GHz iirc
[17:36:01] <Mjolinor> it shoudl be fine but in my experiuance they do not last long
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[17:36:22] <Mjolinor> I have never used them that high
[17:36:32] <Jymmm> Mjolinor: satellite data modem
[17:36:41] <Mjolinor> it is odd htat the insertion loss is not stated on the web page
[17:36:51] <Jymmm> heh, I doubt it
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[17:37:30] <Jymmm> Mjolinor: But, if it saves from breaking the POS SMA connector on the modem, then it's worth it
[17:37:45] <Mjolinor> probably :)
[17:38:08] <Mjolinor> whatever hte insertion loss it will be small compared to the coax anyway
[17:38:13] <Mjolinor> assuming you are using mini coax
[17:38:16] <Jymmm> $2000 modem, and they use the cheapest PCB right angle they could.
[17:40:03] <Jymmm> Mjolinor: http://www.iridium.com/products/Iridium9522SatelliteTransceiver.aspx?productCategoryID=2
[17:40:21] <andypugh> Mjolinor: I had a look at your HAL yesterday. For setting a pin to a constant value there is no need for all the newsig/linksp stuff. You can just use setp (which works with pins and parameters) and sets (which works with signals)
[17:40:55] <Mjolinor> cheers
[17:41:48] <andypugh> burn3....virginmedia.com Burnley?
[17:41:58] <Mjolinor> yup
[17:42:45] <andypugh> It was the "cheers" that set me to thinking you probably weren't in the US
[17:42:51] <Mjolinor> :)
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[17:52:45] <andypugh> Want! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUz1ZI-w6LQ&feature=related
[17:52:46] <Jymmm> Mjolinor: Good to 12GHz... http://www.crossrf.com/sma/adapters/to-sma/sma-push-on-plug-to-sma-jack-adapter
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[17:54:21] <Jymmm> andypugh: you had spiked hair as a kid, didn't you?
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[18:06:26] <A2Sheds> "$2000 modem, and they use the cheapest PCB right angle they could." sure if profit is the goal and not a quality product
[18:07:44] <A2Sheds> like just about everything today, try to find a quality consumer product, they have successfully removed the demand for quality from the minds of consumers
[18:07:58] <Mjolinor> I thought iridium was dying hte death becasue no one used it
[18:08:22] <A2Sheds> it went bankrupt years ago
[18:08:37] <Mjolinor> :) there you go then
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[18:09:02] <A2Sheds> some venture firm has been keeping its heart beating
[18:10:16] <archivist> venture/vulture
[18:14:00] <A2Sheds> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Burning_debris_from_satellites_spotted_over_several_US_cities
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[18:14:29] <IchGucksLive> Hi all
[18:14:30] <A2Sheds> wish there was a video
[18:15:24] <IchGucksLive> A2Sheds: video om what ? i got plenty of stuff online
[18:16:48] <A2Sheds> OT iridium satellite collision
[18:17:35] <danimal_laptop> my buddy just converted his mill from mach to emc but he's having some issues tuning it. the pid settings from mach did not work in emc
[18:17:43] <danimal_laptop> it's servo
[18:17:43] <Loetmichel> A2Sheds: iridium? how did THAT happen?
[18:18:07] <danimal_laptop> he has servo dynamics amps, it has several gain controls on it
[18:18:48] <danimal_laptop> any idea what a good starting point would be? should he be turning the gains on the amps down a little so he has a little more control with emc's pid settings?
[18:18:53] <IchGucksLive> iridium 33 wars lost in 2009 also on kollision
[18:19:15] <A2Sheds> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_satellite_collision
[18:19:42] <IchGucksLive> B)
[18:19:52] <IchGucksLive> A2Sheds: where is the new info
[18:21:22] <A2Sheds> you were late to the discussion, just the 2009 event, nothing new
[18:21:48] <A2Sheds> heh, this topic started as a quick connect SMA connector
[18:22:19] <Mjolinor> Dynamic conversations
[18:22:28] <Mjolinor> it is what the world is driven by
[18:22:33] <Mjolinor> it is the source of all new ideas
[18:23:37] <IchGucksLive> http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/iridium.htm everything is ol B)
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[18:43:43] <pcw_home> danimal_laptop: its probably not good to tweak the drive settings if they worked before
[18:43:44] <pcw_home> EMCs PID settings will be completely different from whatever controlled the drives before
[18:43:46] <pcw_home> (and they are not Mach PID settings, AFAIK Mach does not do PID)
[18:44:21] <danimal_laptop> there were pid settings in the software, maybe it wasnt mach then.
[18:44:38] <danimal_laptop> it was a very basic program
[18:45:22] <danimal_laptop> blue and grey screen
[18:45:25] <pcw_home> PID tuning is always a bit of a pain the first 200 times..
[18:45:46] <danimal_laptop> yea, i've never had this much trouble. nothing seems to help
[18:46:01] <pcw_home> Velocity mode drives?
[18:46:12] <danimal_laptop> i dont know
[18:46:32] <pcw_home> Well that makes it tougher
[18:46:32] <danimal_laptop> i dont know much about his machine, other than it's brushed dc servos
[18:46:52] <pcw_home> tachometers?
[18:47:36] <danimal_laptop> i think he said it gets the tach feedback from the encoders
[18:47:58] <pcw_home> OK (not quite so good)
[18:48:40] <pcw_home> Are you helping him tune it?
[18:48:45] <A2Sheds> brushed DC motors, how many states per rev do you get? 4?
[18:49:12] <danimal_laptop> i helped him convert it to emc, tuning it was suposed to be his job but i dont exactly want to leave him stranded
[18:49:25] <pcw_home> States?
[18:49:45] <danimal_laptop> he's tuned a lot of machines though, he repairs machines for a living
[18:49:55] <A2Sheds> yeah, you could call them states, how little can you rotate them?
[18:50:09] <A2Sheds> repeatably
[18:51:03] <pcw_home> Brushed servo motors usually have many commutator segments so are pretty good torque ripple wise
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[18:51:31] <A2Sheds> I was just wondering
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[18:51:38] <A2Sheds> no judgements
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[18:53:01] <pcw_home> I think the only real disadvantage of brush motors is having to replace the brushes (and these last a long time on servos)
[18:54:08] <Loetmichel> pcw_home: hmmm, is that really a disadvantage?
[18:54:17] <pcw_home> danimal_laptop can he tune his drives in velocity mode with the drive manufacturers provided tool first?
[18:54:52] <Loetmichel> Changeing the brushes once a year is done in five minutes and costs near to nothing
[18:56:18] <danimal_laptop> pcw_home: provided tool?
[18:56:29] <danimal_laptop> they're pretty old drives
[18:56:37] <danimal_laptop> not sure if he has much on them
[18:56:44] <danimal_laptop> not digital or anything
[18:59:22] <pcw_home> Well then I would make sure they we set up in velocity mode
[18:59:23] <pcw_home> tune the drives in velocity mode (via the Drive controls)
[18:59:25] <pcw_home> and then setup EMCs PID for velocity mode (Scale output in RPS set FF1 to 1 do normal P/D tuning in EMC )
[18:59:58] <danimal_laptop> pcw_home: if he's running in ttl, does the encoder go to the input on the 7i33 with the slash?
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[19:04:42] <mrsun> hmm, isnt the 0 marking on the cross slide thingie going to be visible to set the degrees on it? :P
[19:04:52] <mrsun> on my lathe the whole cross slide covers the 0 mark
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[19:06:02] <mrsun> it looks just like the southbend cross slide so it should be right
[19:06:50] <mrsun> hmm maybe supposed to be a notch on the other side also
[19:06:51] <mrsun> somehow
[19:08:57] <archivist> turn top slide to about 90
[19:08:59] <pcw_home> danimal_laptop: Actually either input will work in TTL mode but the non-inverting inout is better
[19:09:10] <pcw_home> input
[19:10:44] <mrsun> archivist, and? :)
[19:11:01] <mrsun> that doesnt help much as i have to turn it away from me to be able the use the graduations? :P
[19:12:58] <archivist> some lathes repeat graduations at rear as well
[19:12:58] <danimal_laptop> thanks pcw_home
[19:13:19] <danimal_laptop> i just called him, he said he got one axis pretty good last night
[19:13:32] <danimal_laptop> so he's going to work on the others today
[19:21:28] <skunkKandT> danimal_laptop: depending on the length.. I have had issues with ttl loosing it at higher velocitys
[19:22:08] <skunkKandT> But line drivers are really cheap. digikey has some for a style of thier encoders.. that is what we used
[19:22:18] <skunkKandT> <$10 iirc
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[19:23:26] <danimal_laptop> it's maybe 7-10 feet of cable
[19:23:49] <danimal_laptop> he had it that way with his other control and it worked ok
[19:23:57] <danimal_laptop> it's only for one axis
[19:24:26] <mrsun> hmm, anyone got a good idea of a connector i can put on the stepper cables that would fit inside one of these DY nema23 covers? :P
[19:25:22] <skunkKandT> differential seems to be the bomb! (we have some longer runs >15ish)
[19:25:29] <Jymmm> panel mount connector?
[19:25:58] <A2Sheds> mrsun: have a pic?
[19:26:24] <mrsun> http://www.soigeneris.com/NEMA_23_Stepper_Cover-details.aspx
[19:26:37] <Jymmm> Does this sound right??? 3.2V LED @ 8A max = 25.6 Watts / 0.030A per LED = 853 (3.2V@30mA) LEDs. http://www.dealextreme.com/p/led-single-color-dimmer-w-remote-control-dc-12-24v-108468
[19:27:06] <A2Sheds> sure
[19:27:25] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: 853 leds, really?
[19:28:01] <Jymmm> mrsun: That almost looks like the audio conectors would it in that hole
[19:28:08] <A2Sheds> I've seen flashlights with that many
[19:28:28] <Jymmm> mrsun: Oh, you see the pic with the DIN connector in it?
[19:28:42] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: ah cool. I thought my math was wrong =)
[19:28:47] <mrsun> yes, but thats not ip65 =)
[19:29:08] <Jymmm> mrsun: The audio ones are I believe
[19:29:10] <mrsun> and ive drilled my holes up for a bigger screw on thingie :P
[19:29:11] <A2Sheds> big flashlights
[19:29:12] <Jymmm> but bigger
[19:29:41] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: Heh, I have a 900 lumen flashlight coming , but only 1 led =)
[19:29:57] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: I'm working up to the 1200 lumen flashlight =)
[19:30:15] <Jymmm> mrsun: duct tape?
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[19:30:38] <mrsun> i want to be able to use flood coolant if i want =)
[19:30:51] <Jymmm> mrsun: LOTS of duct tape? =)
[19:30:55] <mrsun> :P
[19:30:56] <A2Sheds> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhiHNzx0tMA&feature=player_embedded worlds brightest led Flashlight 2 1800 Lumen
[19:32:53] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: 18,000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rZ2FQ-7iLg&feature=related
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[19:33:17] <A2Sheds> yes, just was watching it
[19:33:34] <A2Sheds> it getting to be like the loudest car stereo contests
[19:33:38] <Jymmm> mrsun: I think JT-Shop used those audio connectors I was speaking of
[19:34:04] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: Yeah, but funner =)
[19:34:39] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: I saw a $400 flashlight I'd liek to get, let me see if I can video the video...
[19:35:19] <A2Sheds> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkkU0UO3sek&feature=related 500 LED Extreme flashlight
[19:35:50] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65DF2s0k_g&feature=related
[19:36:11] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: I like the all the aspects he shows about it
[19:36:18] <Jymmm> SR-90 one
[19:36:34] <A2Sheds> I wonder how many I can mount to the rear of my car to blast the guy right behind me with his highbeams on?
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[19:37:10] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: 20 should be more than fine. I'm already working on that actually =)
[19:37:23] <alex_joni> Jymmm: howdy
[19:38:16] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: I want to put some of the FRONT to make the "knight ridder" look so I dont get buseted for impersonating an emergency vehicle when I flash left/right to get ppl out of my way =)
[19:38:18] <danimal_laptop> A2Sheds: if you werent going too slow you wouldnt need them
[19:38:22] <Jymmm> Hey alex_joni how goes it?
[19:38:40] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: (again)
[19:39:24] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: Well, almost got busted, but I had it wired to the ignition so there was a trick to turn it on, so when the cop pressed the button it didn't turn on, or I would have been SO busted =)
[19:40:15] <Jymmm> Momentary button on dash to activate the LEFT/RIGHT flashing, and you triggered the highbeam switch to turn it off =)
[19:41:05] <A2Sheds> Jymmm: does it work well for changing the stop lights to green?
[19:41:23] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: No, that uses IR and is a FELONY.
[19:41:28] <alex_joni> Jymmm: pretty ok
[19:41:43] <alex_joni> was wondering if you ever tried doing something with DLNA
[19:42:39] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Eh, sorta. I'm using FreeNas v7 but I haven't actually tested/tried DNLA yet, but I might have a need just after Decemeber 24th =)
[19:42:42] <A2Sheds> Jymmm: I never investigated, IR.... interesting
[19:43:03] <alex_joni> cool, I use Mediatomb and it works with my samsung led
[19:43:18] <alex_joni> but it doesn't share subs along with the media
[19:43:23] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: It is a felony, and a MANDATORY jail sentance + fine. so be careful
[19:43:52] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Try the XBMC live cd
[19:43:55] <skunkKandT> hey - what is a easy to setup photogallery on a shared hosting web server?
[19:44:01] <A2Sheds> Jymmm: no problem, I heard they just worked off of the flashing lights
[19:44:03] <skunkKandT> that works decent
[19:44:54] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: No, look for a 6" chrome/metal box at or above cab level of fire engines, looks kinda like a strobe light but IR
[19:45:59] <A2Sheds> I'd really like a light chaser type LED display for the rear that just let the driver behind me know that his lights are bright enough for me to see the road ahead with mine off
[19:46:24] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: talk to ve7it then he made a few
[19:46:30] <A2Sheds> but most drivers wouldn't care anyway
[19:46:41] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_signal_preemption#Line-of-Sight
[19:46:53] <Jymmm> the new ones use IR though
[19:47:24] <alex_joni> skunkKandT: picassa :P
[19:47:39] <alex_joni> Jymmm: not sure XBMC will run on my NAS
[19:48:08] <Jymmm> alex_joni: it can run in a VM if you like, it doesn't have to be the same box as the NAS
[19:48:24] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: http://unified-communications.tmcnet.com/news/2006/04/13/1571945.htm
[19:49:37] <alex_joni> Jymmm: well, the main point for the NAS is to keep other boxes down :)
[19:49:51] <A2Sheds> it's all fun and games until your country becomes a police state
[19:49:53] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Run the nas itself as a VM maybe?
[19:50:11] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Wanna see the box I got ?
[19:51:01] <Jymmm> alex_joni: It's REALLY quiet.... http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/747/SC747TG-R1400-SQ.cfm
[19:51:22] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Dual redundant 1400W PS
[19:51:25] <alex4nder-> hey
[19:51:50] <Jymmm> alex_joni: even with all 8 fans going
[19:52:02] <Jymmm> alex_joni: I haven't set it up yet though.
[19:53:10] <alex_joni> cool
[19:53:12] <alex_joni> bbl
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[19:55:47] <Loetmichel> *grrrrr* IT HAS to be sunday evening... i just wanted to mill the parts for the company ... L297 Z-axis dead... and no spare in the house. I HATE IT!
[19:56:17] <jdhNC> your dedication is admirable (or odd)
[19:56:30] <danimal_laptop> lol
[19:58:45] <danimal_laptop> that sucks Loetmichel
[19:59:02] <Loetmichel> jdhNC: more like: companys Boss is to cheap to buy a gantry router.
[19:59:16] <Loetmichel> so i have to make the small ruin parts myself
[19:59:18] <danimal_laptop> is it 2d milling? Maybe just manually move Z?
[19:59:21] <elmo40> Z is dead? that sucks.
[19:59:38] <Loetmichel> Danimal_garage: no grip
[19:59:43] <Loetmichel> to move it with hand
[19:59:48] <Loetmichel> no handle
[20:00:09] <elmo40> our vertical lathe's column has a 0.003" taper. when it is fully extended it vibrates like hell. it will be reground (downtime 1 month!)
[20:00:10] <danimal_laptop> is the motor or drive dead?
[20:00:14] <jdhNC> more like: company that is too cheap, doesn't get part.
[20:01:10] <Loetmichel> Danimal_garage: L297/L298-> drive
[20:01:15] <Loetmichel> that are driver chips
[20:01:16] <danimal_laptop> ah
[20:01:34] <Loetmichel> for stepper motors
[20:01:42] <danimal_laptop> ahh
[20:01:58] <danimal_laptop> i keep forgetting there's no encoders on some machines
[20:02:47] <alex4nder-> danimal_laptop: the little folk are so quaint, aren't they?
[20:02:53] <danimal_laptop> lol
[20:03:03] <Loetmichel> a little sensistive the little guys. dont like short circuit
[20:03:15] <danimal_laptop> hey my mill had steppers for a while
[20:03:53] <danimal_laptop> i just havent dealt with a machine with steppers in a year or so
[20:04:38] <danimal_laptop> my memory is a little foggy from all the beer i drank in my 20's
[20:04:47] <alex4nder-> danimal_laptop: so.. linear bearings or traditional dovetail and/or box ways.. your thoughts?
[20:04:47] <danimal_laptop> :)
[20:05:20] <danimal_laptop> depends
[20:05:40] <danimal_laptop> if the machne's beefy enough, probably linear rails
[20:06:10] <syyl_> t
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[20:06:26] <danimal_laptop> but if it's a light machine, you might see problems with chatter
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[20:06:36] <alex4nder-> right
[20:06:37] <danimal_laptop> unless you have a lot of preload on the bearings
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[20:07:14] <danimal_laptop> my machines (except for my desktop one) have either box or dovetail ways
[20:07:29] <syyl> dovetail or box ways are great
[20:07:32] <syyl> but need care..
[20:08:57] <danimal_laptop> every 40 years or so :)
[20:09:19] <syyl> as long its always lubricated :)
[20:13:00] <danimal_laptop> i could have made a joke about box and lube, but i figured this wasnt the place for it.
[20:13:14] <alex4nder-> yah, saturday night was last night
[20:13:35] <danimal_laptop> ll
[20:13:38] <danimal_laptop> lol
[20:13:41] <syyl> ...
[20:13:46] <syyl> not funny!
[20:13:48] <syyl> ...
[20:13:50] <syyl> ;)
[20:14:15] <danimal_laptop> +
[20:14:21] <danimal_laptop> ++
[20:14:28] <danimal_laptop> that was my dog saying hi
[20:14:40] <syyl> hi danimal_laptops dog
[20:15:07] <danimal_laptop> she thinks my keyboard is a good place to rest her head
[20:21:09] <mrsun> Danimal_garage, they do that =)
[20:21:19] <Jymmm> laptop lap dog?
[20:21:20] <mrsun> my dog also does that, specialy when i do not give her attension :P
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[20:22:00] <Jymmm> danimal_laptop: Gawd help ya if you have a full rack =)
[20:22:16] <Jymmm> rack mount rack dog!!!
[20:22:28] <Jymmm> Size: OMG
[20:23:25] <danimal_laptop> lol
[20:24:03] <danimal_laptop> she's a lil squirt, only 55lbs
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[20:39:01] <Tom_itx> aren't boxed ways supposed to be most rigid?
[20:40:23] <syyl> jip, think so
[20:40:40] <syyl> maybe hydrostatic(?) ways are even more rigid
[20:40:49] <syyl> but thats behind my knowledge
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[21:17:36] <danimal_laptop> box ways are pretty rigid
[21:17:47] <danimal_laptop> better than dovetail IMO
[21:18:47] <Jymmm> ha
[21:20:42] <alex_joni> Jymmm: aha, http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3014026&group_id=129766&atid=715782
[21:22:15] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Well, that bites. Subs are a PITA, and thus why I have everything in ISO format so far.
[21:23:10] <Jymmm> alex_joni: I wonder if DNLA can loopback mount and stream an ISO?
[21:23:20] <alex_joni> Jymmm: it's ok, since there's a patch attached ;)
[21:23:25] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Then the subs might be preserved
[21:23:52] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Well, learn to speaka da engwishhzula
[21:24:01] <Jymmm> ;)
[21:24:15] <alex_joni> my subs are 99.9% in english
[21:24:23] <Jymmm> alex_joni: I still like XBMC though, even though I dont have it setup
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[21:25:10] <Jymmm> alex_joni: But, I'm using the KISS method.... SMB and VLC =)
[21:27:38] <Danimal_garage> keep it stupid, simpleton?
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[21:31:06] <Danimal_garage> :)
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[21:38:21] <MattyMatt> A2Sheds: what you need are solar panels that unfurl to tell the driver behind that his gas is going into your battery
[21:39:22] <MattyMatt> 2 fan shapes in the line of sight between his lights and your mirror
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[21:54:37] <Danimal_garage> ugh this control pannel has proven to be too much work. i may rethink making one for my other mill.
[21:54:50] <Tom_itx> hah
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[22:27:03] <syyl> thats what happened
[22:27:04] <syyl> http://www.demoties.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/mar-01-6.jpg
[22:27:05] <syyl> ;)
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[22:28:38] <Danimal_garage> haha
[22:33:12] <tom3p> freecad sketcher demo ( ogv video ) http://ubuntuone.com/3hgu1K9HWfa27BsktSesf0
[22:44:40] <MattyMatt> I wish blender could do some of that
[22:47:08] <tom3p> you've tried this? (yoyo's blender to gcode ) http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?GcodeGenerator
[22:47:24] <MattyMatt> those buttons could be added to provide those same funcs in blender
[22:48:55] <MattyMatt> yeah my blender script is now grafted into his. I've made collapsing menu tabs which are swish. I really need to port it to the new blender tho
[22:51:14] <MattyMatt> zignig has written a gcode importer/simulator too http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6236
[22:51:25] <MattyMatt> hmm he's done it for new blender
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[22:52:09] <MattyMatt> that'll be reprap oriented, so it probably doesn't even support g2 arcs
[22:52:23] <MattyMatt> I should have a looksee
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[23:40:33] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: where ya at
[23:40:53] <JT-Shop> right here Jymmm
[23:41:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: skirt steam / cowboy meat... know what I'm talking about?
[23:42:17] <Danimal_garage> wow, the new mill is 1:1. i thought it would have some reduction since it's belt driven
[23:42:27] <JT-Shop> kamikaze gourmet night here
[23:43:07] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: very fiberous, you have to marinate and slow cook it on the grill
[23:43:26] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: maybe 1/4" thick or so
[23:43:38] <Jymmm> depending on the bitcher
[23:43:42] <Jymmm> butcher
[23:43:44] <JT-Shop> yea, I cook skirt steak... very tasty
[23:44:12] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ok, what cut do you get, and how do YOU marinate/cook it usually?
[23:44:24] <danimal_laptop> i hate any kind of steak, i'm pretty weird. i do like ground beef though
[23:44:59] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: We haven't been able to find the cut we had long ago, so the last time we tried it didn't turn out so well.
[23:45:41] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: The first time, it shrank about 20% and I had a pan of water and on the low/slow grill for about 40m or so
[23:46:30] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: best damn thing I had in a long time. Just cat find that SAME cut, so not sure anymore
[23:46:43] <JT-Shop> i usually use a Kai Bi recipe
[23:46:51] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I've only known it as "cowboy meat" but that could wrong.
[23:47:15] <danimal_laptop> Jymmm loves himself some cowboy meat
[23:47:38] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I think the first time we marinated in lime juice, garlic, OO and worecheter
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[23:47:54] <JT-Shop> also use that for fajitas
[23:48:01] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Yep =)
[23:48:17] <Jymmm> pear huh ?
[23:48:31] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/jtr/ beef kai bi
[23:49:55] <JT-Shop> nothing like a good juicy hamburger
[23:50:11] <Jymmm> s/hamburger/NY Strip/
[23:50:14] <Jymmm> bbl
[23:50:35] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: almost done with the control pannel
[23:50:59] <Danimal_garage> what a pain that was
[23:51:07] <JT-Shop> nice!
[23:51:10] <Danimal_garage> had to shrink the enclosure 4"
[23:51:19] <JT-Shop> ouch!
[23:51:30] <Danimal_garage> uploading a pic right now
[23:51:32] <JT-Shop> chopped and channeled ?
[23:51:46] <Danimal_garage> it was 4x14x24, now it's 4x14x20
[23:51:50] <Danimal_garage> lol
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[23:52:17] <Danimal_garage> http://www.flickr.com/photos/66828621@N02/6495720213/in/photostream
[23:52:33] <Danimal_garage> usb and vga ports in the back
[23:53:31] <Danimal_garage> powder coated it matte black
[23:54:36] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: also scored a glass scale for the knee so i'm going to make it the W axis
[23:55:21] <Danimal_garage> the head's still all apart from having to fit it under the garage door
[23:55:28] <JT-Shop> nice, your buddy had the one you needed then
[23:55:47] <Danimal_garage> yea
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[23:56:05] <JT-Shop> cool
[23:56:24] <Danimal_garage> ab and z channels, 5v, quadrature
[23:56:29] <JT-Shop> well I better weld up the bits for the keyboard support on the CHNC
[23:56:47] <JT-Shop> nice, no converter needed then
[23:57:03] <Danimal_garage> yep
[23:57:25] <Danimal_garage> cool, i gotta run to homo depot, adios
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