#emc | Logs for 2011-12-01

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[00:03:23] <Danimal_garage> sweet, just got word Specialized Bicycles wants to work with me on some prototype stuff for their Specialized/Monster Energy downhill mtb race team.
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[00:03:41] <Danimal_garage> prototype chainrings
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[00:03:57] <JT-Shop> cool
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[00:04:53] <Danimal_garage> yea, i just made them about 8 rings, now they want to work with me to integrate some bash rings
[00:05:06] <JT-Shop> what is a bash ring?
[00:05:08] <Danimal_garage> good exposure for me
[00:05:24] <Danimal_garage> a ring that protects the chain and sprocket from trees, rocks, etc
[00:05:33] <JT-Shop> ah
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[00:05:45] <Danimal_garage> probably a piece of polycarbonate
[00:06:45] <Danimal_garage> i hired someone to get me at the top of the google rankings as well
[00:07:26] <JT-Shop> cool, did it work?
[00:08:31] <Tom_itx> until someone else bumps him probably
[00:08:36] <Danimal_garage> i just hired him today
[00:08:50] <Danimal_garage> he's gotta work on it first
[00:09:02] <Danimal_garage> Tom_itx: perhaps
[00:09:12] <Danimal_garage> but if it works it'll pay for itself
[00:09:29] <Tom_itx> yeah
[00:10:37] <Danimal_garage> i have yet to find any advertising that wasnt worth it
[00:10:46] <Tom_itx> fill up a meta file with words
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[00:13:21] <Tom_itx> <meta name="keywords" content= entire english dictionary>
[00:15:07] <Tom_itx> i wound up in russian electronics publications for my programmer with no effort
[00:15:32] <Tom_itx> ukraine stole the design
[00:16:05] <Tom_itx> they had to mod it though because they couldn't get the same parts :)
[00:16:56] <Danimal_garage> yea
[00:17:20] <Tom_itx> do you sell worldwide?
[00:17:27] <Danimal_garage> its easier for me to pay him for it. i'd spend more money on time for myself than i will for him
[00:17:30] <Danimal_garage> yes
[00:17:42] <Tom_itx> any problems shipping to any countries?
[00:18:04] <Danimal_garage> not too much
[00:18:13] <Tom_itx> i had trouble with italy, S africa and parts of russia
[00:18:20] <Tom_itx> but it was spotty
[00:18:32] <Danimal_garage> i did have a package that took a month to italy recently
[00:18:50] <Danimal_garage> i ship alot to japan, uk, canada, and AU
[00:18:52] <Tom_itx> that's somewhat common to russia
[00:19:01] <Tom_itx> au is about 14 days
[00:19:14] <Danimal_garage> singapore, russia, chili, brazil
[00:19:17] <Tom_itx> canadian post just down right sucks
[00:19:18] <Danimal_garage> yea
[00:19:22] <Danimal_garage> YES
[00:19:25] <Tom_itx> heh
[00:19:39] <Danimal_garage> israel sucks too, i actually banned that country from my site
[00:19:57] <Tom_itx> yeah i discussed it with a couple guys and decided not to ship
[00:19:58] <Danimal_garage> thats the only country i've banned so far
[00:20:01] <Tom_itx> one was in dubai
[00:20:14] <Tom_itx> he admitted he may not ever get it
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[00:22:00] <Tom_itx> but once the guys in customs all had one they started going thru fine
[00:23:27] <Danimal_garage> lol
[00:24:04] <Tom_itx> it sure seemed like it
[00:24:36] <Danimal_garage> i just noticed everyone was a dick about it there
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[00:25:00] <Danimal_garage> the last guy that gave me shit i canceled his order and banned his country lol
[00:25:22] <Tom_itx> i initially started on ebay and had a guy in singapore screw me
[00:25:37] <Tom_itx> he waited like 3 days and filed a complaint
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[00:25:50] <Tom_itx> hell you can't even get it across the US in 3 days
[00:26:05] <Tom_itx> he just wanted a free one i'm sure
[00:27:43] <Danimal_garage> that blows
[00:27:59] <Tom_itx> ebay ALWAYS settles in favor of the buyer
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[00:37:30] <A2Sheds> what overrides "MAX_ACCELERATION =" in *.ini ?
[00:38:05] <Tom_itx> max velocity?
[00:39:47] <A2Sheds> I used pncconf to get a new config and there seems to be no accel decel ramp even though i have accel set to 2mm/sec
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[00:46:15] <Tom_itx> i set MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY in mine and didn't use acceleration
[00:46:24] <Tom_itx> stepper setup
[00:47:20] <danimal_laptop> A2Sheds: try a bigger value
[00:48:26] <danimal_laptop> there's the acceleration values in the traj section of the ini, but i dont think that overrides the max joint accel
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[00:50:06] <Tom_itx> if you have acceleration in the joint do you need it in the traj too?
[00:50:28] <danimal_laptop> it was in there by default for my ini, but i dont think so
[00:50:42] <Tom_itx> it's commented out in mine right now
[00:50:51] <danimal_laptop> i dont use pncconf though
[00:50:57] <A2Sheds> I saved an older config a max accel is set to '2' and it works fine
[00:50:59] <Tom_itx> i did alot of fiddling with it and found what i have to be the best so far
[00:52:33] <Tom_itx> i'm not getting the feedrates i expected but it's a crappy little mill too
[00:53:00] <Tom_itx> with no ballscrews
[00:54:11] <A2Sheds> I have to run a diff between configs
[00:55:18] <danimal_laptop> A2Sheds: is the velocity the same for both configs?
[00:59:12] <A2Sheds> the angular velocity settings were different, now it's fine
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[01:00:30] <Danimal_garage> yay
[01:00:53] <A2Sheds> not sure how they effect each other yet
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[01:02:04] <Danimal_garage> i dont think accel is units per sec
[01:02:13] <Danimal_garage> its related to velocity
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[01:02:48] <Danimal_garage> the accel on my lathe is set to 40, and it definitely cant do 40 inches in a second
[01:03:36] <Danimal_garage> i know if i toy with the velocity i have to change the accel too usually
[01:03:39] <A2Sheds> it's in mm/sec(squared)
[01:08:22] <A2Sheds> I haven't played with the debug setting in .ini
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[01:16:54] <A2Sheds> is there a way to have EMC ignore a "joint following error"?
[01:19:56] <A2Sheds> FERROR and MIN_FERROR have a limit of 10
[01:27:23] <Danimal_garage> just make it 100
[01:27:39] <Danimal_garage> for tuning purposes
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[01:30:18] <Danimal_garage> im not sure what would happen if you commented it out, it would probably be the opposite of what you want
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[02:00:05] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: if you attempt to set it to anything higher than 10 it defaults to 10, it's ok, I just wanted to be able to have the motor track the encoder when I moved the encoder by hand
[02:01:07] <A2Sheds> I can set the servo amp to torque mode and do the same in pncconf servo test in open loop
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[02:15:54] <Turtl3boi> weeeeeeee
[02:16:22] <Turtl3boi> hey danimal how is that little mini lathe from harbfreight
[02:16:27] <Turtl3boi> is it any good bro
[02:17:25] <Danimal_garage> probably not
[02:18:26] <Turtl3boi> k
[02:18:44] <Danimal_garage> im the wrong person to ask though
[02:18:53] <jdhNC> it's fine for a cheap chinese small 7x
[02:19:03] <Danimal_garage> there ya go
[02:19:49] <Turtl3boi> if i want to machine bike head tubes on it
[02:20:07] <Turtl3boi> do you think it will accomodate up to a 1.5 inch diameter tube
[02:20:56] <jdhNC> if it wasn't very long
[02:21:44] <jdhNC> I don't think anyone would ever call them 'good', but how bad they are is up to the user.
[02:21:49] <Danimal_garage> gmx, road, or mtb?
[02:21:55] <Danimal_garage> bmx*
[02:22:10] <Turtl3boi> mtb
[02:22:25] <Danimal_garage> for who? yourself?
[02:22:33] <Turtl3boi> in order to install a integrated headset you gotta lathe out the bike head tube
[02:22:37] <Turtl3boi> for myself
[02:22:41] <Turtl3boi> i want to make my own bike frame
[02:22:44] <Danimal_garage> you build frames?
[02:22:48] <Danimal_garage> ah
[02:22:50] <Turtl3boi> i tried a little
[02:22:56] <Turtl3boi> with mild steel
[02:23:05] <Turtl3boi> i'm decent so far but i haven't tried on the high end steel
[02:23:07] <Turtl3boi> the ultra thing stuff
[02:23:15] <Turtl3boi> i also have tried aluminum or titanium frames
[02:23:19] <Turtl3boi> ultra thin*
[02:23:35] <Turtl3boi> modern steel mtb frame tubes are about 0.7mm thick
[02:23:42] <Danimal_garage> www.homebrewedcomponents.com
[02:23:42] <Tom_itx> carbon fiber
[02:23:43] <Turtl3boi> road bike tubes can be 0.4mm thick
[02:24:08] <Turtl3boi> carbon fiber is dope
[02:24:15] <Turtl3boi> i wanna try making a frame out of CF
[02:24:26] <Tom_itx> i think you need to bake it
[02:24:33] <Danimal_garage> i have 3 cf frames, they're the best
[02:24:34] <Tom_itx> but i know very little about it
[02:24:42] <Danimal_garage> not really
[02:24:55] <Tom_itx> depends on the resin i suppose
[02:24:58] <Danimal_garage> yea
[02:25:47] <Turtl3boi> http://www.harborfreight.com/8-inch-x-12-inch-precision-benchtop-lathe-44859.html OR this? http://www.harborfreight.com/7-inch-x-10-inch-precision-mini-lathe-93212.html
[02:25:54] <Turtl3boi> do you ride MTB?
[02:26:15] <Danimal_garage> yea
[02:26:20] <Danimal_garage> did you see the link?
[02:26:25] <Danimal_garage> thats my company
[02:26:33] <jdhNC> the 8x is a whole different class, much less sucky
[02:26:46] <jdhNC> (much less sucky, but it's still a chinese lathe)
[02:27:41] <Turtl3boi> holy crap that's your company
[02:27:56] <Danimal_garage> yea
[02:27:57] <Turtl3boi> so jdh i guess i should get the 8x12
[02:28:00] <Turtl3boi> it does look more beastly
[02:28:20] <Turtl3boi> so danimal did you go to that san diego custom bike show
[02:28:24] <Danimal_garage> all made on emc powered machines!
[02:28:36] <Danimal_garage> yea i had a booth for the past 2 years
[02:29:05] <Turtl3boi> lol i went 3 years ago
[02:29:11] <jdhNC> I know nothing of bike parts, but the prices look too low.
[02:30:58] <Turtl3boi> do you actually machine those chainrings
[02:31:09] <Turtl3boi> or do you just buy them from someone else
[02:31:09] <Danimal_garage> i do everything, yes
[02:31:24] <Turtl3boi> nice man, nice
[02:31:33] <Turtl3boi> have you ever made your own frame before?
[02:31:46] <Turtl3boi> either weld or braze
[02:32:54] <Danimal_garage> na
[02:33:00] <Danimal_garage> not worth it to me
[02:33:11] <Danimal_garage> i can trade chainrings for them lol
[02:33:39] <Turtl3boi> hahaha i'm surprised chainrings make any money
[02:33:49] <Turtl3boi> doesn't sugino already make cheap enough ones
[02:34:32] <Danimal_garage> you'd be suprised..
[02:35:23] <Turtl3boi> well you make titanium and stainless chainrings that's pretty cool
[02:35:33] <Turtl3boi> i don't see those from sugino
[02:35:35] <Danimal_garage> i'm making some for specialized/monster's dh race bikes for next year
[02:35:59] <Danimal_garage> for the world cup, etc
[02:37:12] <Turtl3boi> hahaha
[02:37:27] <Turtl3boi> i'm surprised you make any money
[02:37:41] <Turtl3boi> nice though
[02:39:19] <Danimal_garage> why? it's a consumable, people use the shit out of them
[02:39:37] <Danimal_garage> i sell about 400 or so a month
[02:41:11] * Tom_itx wonders how many chinese women Danimal_garage has on staff
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[02:41:44] <Turtl3boi> 400 doesn't seem like much
[02:41:46] <Danimal_garage> depends on what you mean by on staff
[02:42:04] <Turtl3boi> let's say the average price per sale is $50
[02:42:17] <Turtl3boi> that's 20000 of revenue per month
[02:42:26] <Danimal_garage> and?
[02:42:31] <Turtl3boi> and i bet you make about $5k in profit
[02:42:38] <Danimal_garage> maybe 1500 of it is overhead
[02:42:42] <Turtl3boi> you're gonna have to hope that your revenue goes up
[02:42:46] <Tom_itx> take out material, electricity, lubricants, tooling....
[02:42:57] <Turtl3boi> that's slim margin dude
[02:43:08] <Danimal_garage> LOL
[02:43:21] <Turtl3boi> just keep marketing and get your revenue numbers up
[02:43:26] <Turtl3boi> then you'll be fine
[02:43:28] <Tom_itx> make a foundry and melt the chips down... you get more for solid scrap than chips
[02:43:28] <Danimal_garage> i have about $5 invested in each ring when it's all said and done
[02:44:31] <Turtl3boi> 7075 aluminum is not cheap
[02:44:33] <Tom_itx> when i ran that row of gridleys, i went thru a barrel of coolant oil a day generally
[02:44:34] <Turtl3boi> stainless ain't cheap
[02:44:37] <Turtl3boi> and titanium definitely aint cheap
[02:45:04] <Danimal_garage> cheaper than you think
[02:45:09] <Turtl3boi> danimal doesn't use coolant oil
[02:45:10] <Tom_itx> alot of it got spun out of the chips in the big spinner
[02:45:19] <Turtl3boi> he just blows on it with his air compressor
[02:45:20] <Danimal_garage> i sell a ti ring for $140, and i have $17 invested
[02:45:26] <Turtl3boi> hahaha
[02:45:34] <Turtl3boi> you serious?
[02:45:36] <Turtl3boi> titanium sheet costs a ton
[02:45:45] <Danimal_garage> 17/lb
[02:45:49] <Turtl3boi> 1/8" titanium sheet is insanely expensive
[02:45:50] <Danimal_garage> is what i pay
[02:45:57] <Turtl3boi> how the hell do you get it so cheap
[02:46:02] <Tom_itx> bulk
[02:46:11] <Danimal_garage> i have a source
[02:46:16] <Danimal_garage> and yes, i buy a lot
[02:46:18] <Turtl3boi> must be topsecret
[02:46:35] <Danimal_garage> well im not giving it out, they barely keep it in stock
[02:47:11] <Danimal_garage> my shop is in my garage, i barely have any overhead
[02:47:35] <skunkworks_> logger[psha]:
[02:47:37] <Turtl3boi> 400 a month doesn't sound like much still
[02:47:40] <Danimal_garage> i gotta pay the mortgage regardless
[02:47:45] <Turtl3boi> i hope you do more marketing in the dirt rag magazine and such
[02:48:13] <Danimal_garage> i think you need to work on your math...
[02:49:06] <Turtl3boi> just saying lol....
[02:49:17] <Turtl3boi> im' sure your biz will grow
[02:49:53] <Danimal_garage> i dont see how 20k in sales a month is poor for a 1 man shop with low overhead
[02:50:10] <Turtl3boi> no it's good actually
[02:50:14] <Turtl3boi> i'm impressed
[02:50:24] <Turtl3boi> and i'd still like a quick tour if you could
[02:50:35] <Danimal_garage> sorry, too poor, can't afford it
[02:50:39] <Turtl3boi> but then again it's not a big deal because now i see what you do
[02:52:44] <Turtl3boi> Hey man don't take what i was saying as criticism
[02:53:28] <Turtl3boi> i was just trying to get some details out of you and you have to sound suspicious to do that
[02:53:32] <Turtl3boi> =p
[03:01:20] <jdhNC> .msg turtl3head sure you can turn those out on a harbor freight mill
[03:03:56] <Turtl3boi> well i have to turn out the inside surface of a head tube
[03:04:03] <Turtl3boi> is that easy enough?
[03:04:07] <Danimal_garage> his dad wouldnt let him have it
[03:04:31] <jdhNC> move one, get over the dad thing
[03:05:23] <Turtl3boi> well i'm sure i can get away with the little harbor freight ones
[03:05:27] <Turtl3boi> like he mini mills and micro lathes
[03:05:39] <Turtl3boi> i just can't get away with a supermax
[03:06:12] <Tom_itx> have em bring in a Mori Seki and he won't be able to move it out
[03:06:51] <Danimal_garage> exactly
[03:07:18] <Turtl3boi> haha
[03:08:34] <Tom_itx> Okumas aren't so bad either and a little cheaper
[03:10:05] <Danimal_garage> if i had the room i'd love to pick up an sl0
[03:10:37] <Tom_itx> what is that?
[03:10:54] <Turtl3boi> Okumas?
[03:11:03] <Turtl3boi> sounds japanese once again
[03:11:16] <Tom_itx> they're good quality
[03:13:26] <Tom_itx> http://www.okuma.com/products/machines/vmc/mcv_series/mcv4020/
[03:14:46] <Danimal_garage> the japs make good machines
[03:14:50] <Danimal_garage> i have 2
[03:15:20] <Tom_itx> we had one with a pallet changer. i forget what model it was
[03:15:33] <Tom_itx> 2 pallet with ~90 tool changer iirc
[03:16:21] <Danimal_garage> nice
[03:16:31] <Tom_itx> http://www.clearwateren.com/
[03:16:42] <Tom_itx> that was his place before he retired and sold it
[03:17:23] <Tom_itx> i wired most of the machines to the engineering room for him
[03:17:52] <Tom_itx> dan, if you look close at the left pic, you can see the room for the screw compressor at the rear
[03:18:03] <Tom_itx> right in the middle
[03:18:33] <Danimal_garage> nice
[03:18:41] <Danimal_garage> wish i had that much space
[03:18:54] <Tom_itx> he started in a 24x24 garage
[03:19:00] <Turtl3boi> wow......
[03:19:08] <Turtl3boi> real estate must be cheap in kansas
[03:19:12] <Tom_itx> with a bp tracer and a boss 5
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[03:20:27] <Tom_itx> looks like they got a 5 axis afterward
[03:20:54] <Tom_itx> have you heard of SNK?
[03:21:31] <alex4nder> anyone have an opinion on pycam? My mill is up and running EMC, and I'm ready to actually make something. : |
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[03:28:30] <seb_kuzminsky> i used pcam just the other day
[03:28:44] <seb_kuzminsky> it's got a nice ui and pretty good feature set
[03:29:05] <seb_kuzminsky> it works for some things and not for others, it's a bit picky about its input format
[03:29:17] <alex4nder> ok
[03:29:21] <alex4nder> thanks
[03:29:26] <seb_kuzminsky> oh and it's incredibly slow - many minutes to make toolpaths even for a simple drawing
[03:29:50] <Tom_itx> what about sheetcam?
[03:29:52] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm pretty excited about freecad + opencamlib, but that's not up and running yet
[03:30:01] <seb_kuzminsky> i've never tried sheetcam - it's closed-source, no?
[03:30:06] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[03:30:12] <Tom_itx> never used it
[03:30:35] <Tom_itx> or that emc addin that jt likes...
[03:31:11] <Tom_itx> ngcgui or something..
[03:32:31] <seb_kuzminsky> ngcgui looks cool, but i've never tried it either
[03:32:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i think it's for "conversational programming"
[03:32:53] <Tom_itx> more or less
[03:33:24] <seb_kuzminsky> sounds cool
[03:33:28] <Tom_itx> http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/ngcgui/README
[03:35:04] <Tom_itx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn8T5Fw0ISs
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[03:51:59] <alex4nder> wow, you weren't kidding about it taking minutes.
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[03:58:15] <alex4nder> hmm, pycam thinks this is going to take 4 hours to generate the pathes for the example model
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[03:59:53] <Tom_itx> holy crap
[04:04:39] * alex4nder looks at the price of mastercam mill level 3.
[04:04:50] <alex4nder> wow.
[04:05:28] <Tom_itx> i have smartcam which was it's competetor way back
[04:05:48] <Tom_itx> iirc it was around 6-8k at the time
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[04:31:18] <ssi> I use ngcgui on my lathe, and sheetcam on my plasma table
[04:31:25] <ssi> I intend to play with pycam soon
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[04:39:15] <freespace> hi everyone. I am having a strange issue where, with LINEAR_UNITS = mm and INCREMENTS = 1mm, jogging 1mm always moves the axises by 1inch
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[04:42:42] <Tom_itx> what about scale?
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[04:47:43] <freespace> oh, nvm, i configured the axises in inch... i can't just change it to mm and hope all is well!
[04:48:32] <freespace> i changed LINEAR_UNITS back to inch and now increments do what i want!
[04:48:50] <freespace> i thought it only changed axis' default display unit to mm... guess it does more than that
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[05:05:49] <alex4nder> woot
[05:06:00] <alex4nder> I just had my first successful EMC2 test for X Y and Z with no stalls.
[05:19:12] <freespace> :D
[05:33:02] <CmdrData> coo
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[07:22:11] <sparrW> I'm trying to establish if NEMA standard sized motors have standard outside dimensions in addition to standard mounting and shaft dimensions. Can anyone point me to a relevant reference?
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[08:14:37] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[08:15:55] <Turtl3boi> hi
[08:16:05] <Turtl3boi> have your coffee yet?
[08:19:58] <Turtl3boi> apparently not.....because you are having trouble typing
[08:20:19] <Turtl3boi> hope you have a nice cup of JOEY this morning Mikey
[08:20:29] <Turtl3boi> can I call you Mikey?
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[08:28:35] <Loetmichel> rather not
[08:32:20] <Loetmichel> mike is ok though
[08:33:14] <Loetmichel> mikey summons pictures of the youngest tuttle, with which i would rather not be compared.
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[08:49:49] <Turtl3boi> youngest tuttle?
[08:49:54] <Turtl3boi> is that from a TV show?
[09:09:41] <Loetmichel> occ choppers
[09:09:56] <Loetmichel> i dont know the original title
[09:13:42] <pjm__> 'American Chopper' is what it goes out as on Discovery channel
[09:13:53] <Loetmichel> ah, the family is named teutul, not tuttle, and the show is called american choppers
[09:17:53] <Loetmichel> -s
[09:17:55] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[09:24:07] <mrsun> today i will get the 7 bolts to get the lathe going again!
[09:24:09] <mrsun> i WILL :P
[09:24:12] <Turtl3boi> lol those punks are idiotic
[09:24:15] <Turtl3boi> they don't know how to weld on that show
[09:24:23] <mrsun> hmm, felt washers where the heck can one get those ?
[09:24:44] <Turtl3boi> do you have a welpe Loetmichel?
[09:24:53] <Turtl3boi> i mean, a little hound
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[09:30:54] <Turtl3boi> well, gn8 Dr. Buchenholtz
[09:31:05] <Turtl3boi> gotta sleep now unfortunately
[09:33:27] <Tom_itx> sparrW, http://www.americanelectricmotors.com/pdf/aemc_nema_chart.pdf
[09:33:33] <Tom_itx> not all inclusive
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[14:16:30] <JT-Shop> GoodMorning from Swamp East Missouri
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[14:35:18] <awallin> u live in a swamp? :)
[14:36:32] <FinboySlick> Fighting gators in the bayou.
[14:37:58] <jdhNC> we have lots of gators, but no bayou
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[15:09:14] <JT-Shop> it used to be a swamp and a bit of it is left
[15:09:26] <JT-Shop> jdhNC: I lost power yesterday :/
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[15:20:56] <jdhNC> bummer, something leak?
[15:23:30] <jthornton> construction yesterday had power off for a while... we were talking about making my Ubuntu computer think the windoze computer was a local user when copying files from windoze to ubuntu
[15:23:54] <jdhNC> yeah, I saw you pinged out
[15:24:28] <jdhNC> you need a username map
[15:24:46] <jdhNC> there is/was/might-be some gui samba config tool that will set it up for you.
[15:25:40] <jdhNC> or you can just change the samba create mask to be open so anyon can access files created via samba
[15:26:11] <JT-Shop> ok thanks
[15:30:30] <skunkworks> I don't remember how I did it.. I ended up asking on ubuntu forums as when I initally set it up - it would copy the files as read only. iirc
[15:31:32] <skunkworks> here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1719086
[15:33:06] <jdhNC> heh, didn't know samba would do that. That would be my least preferred way of doing it. Fine for a single-user box though.
[15:35:11] <JT-Shop> heh thanks Sam
[15:38:48] <JT-Shop> SWEET! that worked and was so easy even I could do it :)
[15:43:37] <skunkworks> my 'cam' defaults to the network drive on the k&t (nc dir). works quite well for just saving files there
[15:46:07] <JT-Shop> cam?
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[15:56:27] <skunkworks> mostly ace converter ;)
[15:57:11] <skunkworks> converts dxf to 2.5 axis gcode
[15:57:26] <JT-Shop> ah
[15:57:50] <JT-Shop> would the ace converter work well for plasma
[15:58:15] <skunkworks> there is no comp in it - is that a problem? all the offseting would have to be done in cad
[15:58:53] <skunkworks> which is what I do right now
[15:59:01] <JT-Shop> that would complicate it a bit
[15:59:07] <skunkworks> I bet
[15:59:35] <skunkworks> sounds like sheet cam works well - but I have never tried it
[16:00:02] <JT-Shop> yea, it does pretty good
[16:00:47] <JT-Shop> the UI takes a bit to get used to
[16:01:20] <skunkworks> sounds like eagle ;)
[16:01:33] <skunkworks> or the ladder in emc ;)
[16:04:09] <skunkworks> hey - drive manf understanding emc.. http://www.cnczone.com/forums/granite_devices/141756-understanding_emc2_feedback_concepts.html
[16:04:42] <skunkworks> looks like you can setup a vsd drive to take pwm in and act as a velocity mode amp
[16:05:31] <skunkworks> pwm, analog, pdm
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[16:53:16] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[17:21:57] <Gromits> is anyone familar with video drivers in Ubuntu? I got a new monitor and hooked it up and the video is kinda funky. It couldn't find a driver and just used some defaults.
[17:22:29] <Gromits> last time I messed with video it screwed up my machine totally. I am using the video card that is built in to the D510MO.
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[18:01:05] <ssi> success is so much sweeter after a struggle...
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[18:18:53] <danimal_laptop> i disagree
[18:19:33] <FinboySlick> danimal_laptop: But you're the doer god... You don't know the meaning of struggle.
[18:21:01] <danimal_laptop> LOL doer god?
[18:21:56] <FinboySlick> danimal_laptop: Well, that might be a bit of an exageration... But here's an example, what did you make/build/do last evening?
[18:22:13] <danimal_laptop> bicycle parts and worked on my new machine
[18:22:33] <danimal_laptop> but only because i procrastinated half the day (much like today)
[18:22:58] <FinboySlick> See? I was *supposed* to optimize acceleration params for my mill...
[18:24:10] <mrsun> gah hard to find info about danfoss vlt 3002 - 175h1027
[18:24:22] <mrsun> like does it have an built in rfi filter ...
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[18:30:40] <skunkworks_> jepler: or anyone.. I am playing with your work on the aduino and emc ( http://emergent.unpythonic.net/01198594294 ) and I seem to have python-serial installed - but when I run the python -c 'import serial' I get an error 'no module named serial'
[18:30:50] <skunkworks_> google searching has not helped at all
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[18:33:27] <FinboySlick> skunkworks_: Do you have pyserial installed?
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[18:35:35] <FinboySlick> skunkworks_: sudo apt-get install python-serial Should fix that issue.
[18:36:08] <skunkworks_> already have it
[18:36:23] <skunkworks_> apt-get install says it is already here?
[18:37:06] <FinboySlick> Something messed up with your python modules maybe? I don't have an ubuntu box handy but you could just uninstall and reinstall it.
[18:37:48] <FinboySlick> On gentoo, python modules need to get updated when you upgrade python so maybe it's a similar situation.
[18:38:42] <FinboySlick> gentoo has a python-updater script that scans for modules that are linked against an earlier version of python and rebuilds them.
[18:40:31] <skunkworks_> hey - reinstalling pyserial fixed that one
[18:41:27] <FinboySlick> skunkworks_: Then likely python was updated without some modules. If you run into trouble with other import statements, you'll know how to fix 'em.
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[18:52:05] <skunkworks_> hey - it seems to be a little flakey - but it works the second run
[18:52:19] <skunkworks_> seems maybe pins are not ready at the right time.
[18:56:09] <A2Sheds> skunkworks_: interesting project, was the thought to use the Arduino as a USB non-realtime analog/digital I/O?
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[18:57:08] <skunkworks__> jepler: if you get a chance to look. This is what error I get usually on the first run of the hal file. (you can see I run it one after another)
[18:57:10] <skunkworks__> http://pastebin.com/SeGXPkjs
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[19:02:31] <skunkworks_> A2Sheds: sure. I am thinking of using it for the temp sensor in the big mill.
[19:02:46] <skunkworks_> changing temp doesn't really need to be realtime.
[19:03:04] <skunkworks_> The spindle grows a good .005" from hot to cold.
[19:03:18] <skunkworks_> the ancient control used to compinsate for it.
[19:03:41] <skunkworks_> (so there is already a sensor in the spindle (thermistor)
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[19:04:15] <skunkworks_> I would just have to track it out once and it would be set
[19:05:57] <FinboySlick> skunkworks_: How big is this machine? I'd have never thought of factoring in thermal expansion.
[19:10:27] <skunkworks_> big
[19:10:29] <skunkworks_> ;)
[19:11:17] <skunkworks_> bigish
[19:11:18] <skunkworks_> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/oldkandt.JPG
[19:11:36] <FinboySlick> Wow...
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[19:12:11] <FinboySlick> It's totally awesome.
[19:12:43] <skunkworks_> cool machine - 60's vintage
[19:13:15] <skunkworks_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39q6kvrSBSk
[19:13:27] <skunkworks_> there are a bunch of videos on that channel
[19:13:42] <skunkworks_> all done with emc2
[19:14:48] <FinboySlick> Setting up part on a vertical surface must be a bit tricky at times though.
[19:15:19] <skunkworks_> eh - works great for chip removal though
[19:15:50] <FinboySlick> Moves reasonably fast for an old granny too.
[19:16:23] <Turtl3boi> so Danimal can you sell me a chain ring at wholesale
[19:16:25] <skunkworks_> we made the conversion so it maxed out at 200ipm.. (what the original control would shuttle at)
[19:16:53] <danimal_laptop> i just scored a 4th/5th axis rotary table at the surplus yard!
[19:17:01] <skunkworks_> it originally had hydraulic servos. (we converted it to 80's vintage huge brushed servos)
[19:17:24] <skunkworks_> Danimal_garage: awesome! is it a trunion?
[19:17:50] <danimal_laptop> not sure what that is lol
[19:18:39] <danimal_laptop> http://www.cnc-rotary-table-tanshing.com/5-axis-rotary-table.htm
[19:18:43] <danimal_laptop> kinda like that
[19:18:52] <danimal_laptop> got it for $175!
[19:18:56] <skunkworks_> yes - trunion!
[19:19:03] <skunkworks_> Danimal_garage: wow - great find
[19:19:11] <skunkworks_> price of steel ;)
[19:19:13] <Turtl3boi> i got this monocog frame conversion
[19:19:21] <FinboySlick> It's bigger than my mill...
[19:19:35] * FinboySlick feels inadequate.
[19:19:39] <danimal_laptop> it's part of this big contraption, they didnt know what it was.
[19:19:47] <Turtl3boi> i'd like to convert it over to an on road bike
[19:19:51] <danimal_laptop> it was covered under some pannels
[19:20:04] <danimal_laptop> i gotta go pick it up, bbl!
[19:20:11] <Turtl3boi> wholesale chainring man
[19:20:14] <Turtl3boi> hook me up dan
[19:20:19] <danimal_laptop> no
[19:20:20] <Turtl3boi> =p
[19:20:35] <Turtl3boi> awww c'mon
[19:20:44] <danimal_laptop> bbl
[19:20:51] <Turtl3boi> later
[19:25:01] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: Did you end up buying that Bridgeport?
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[19:25:16] <Turtl3boi> i'm gonna get a mini mill man =(
[19:25:31] <jdhNC> get a bridgeport
[19:25:36] <Turtl3boi> can't convince my dad to let me have a humongous 1.5 ton mill in the garage
[19:25:44] <Turtl3boi> and we have a 3 car garage too.......
[19:26:01] <jdhNC> get a job, move out, be your own man
[19:26:09] <Turtl3boi> funny thing is i have my own place
[19:26:27] <Turtl3boi> but obviously living in an apartment you can't put a mill in there
[19:26:42] <Turtl3boi> i wish i lived in kansas or somewhere uber cheap so i could afford a place with a garage
[19:26:43] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: Just sneak it in when nobody's looking.
[19:26:52] <Turtl3boi> my dad has a bad temper
[19:26:59] <Turtl3boi> if i did that he would have a heart attack lol
[19:27:13] <Turtl3boi> where do you live Finboy?
[19:27:34] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: Eastern Quebec.
[19:27:47] <Turtl3boi> is real estate cheap there?
[19:28:05] <Turtl3boi> for instance, can you buy a decent house with garage for $100k or less
[19:28:22] <FinboySlick> Yeah.
[19:28:38] <FinboySlick> But you have to heat it up half the year.
[19:29:21] <Turtl3boi> Ahh that's true, i guess that's the nice part of living in california
[19:30:37] <jdhNC> that and the cheap ladscaping labor.
[19:30:45] <Turtl3boi> Rofl
[19:30:45] <jdhNC> err... landscaping.
[19:30:51] <Turtl3boi> i do the landscaping for my parents
[19:31:01] <Turtl3boi> i'm not going to hire cheap mexican labor
[19:31:04] <jdhNC> of course, you alwo have boxer and pelosi
[19:31:16] <jdhNC> and gov. moonbeam.
[19:31:20] * jdhNC points and laughs
[19:31:21] <Turtl3boi> lol
[19:31:28] <Turtl3boi> jerry brown is awesome dude
[19:31:30] <Turtl3boi> love that guy
[19:31:40] <Turtl3boi> he's turned out to be a hardass
[19:32:36] <Turtl3boi> but in any case i'd rather live in arizona or nevada
[19:32:47] <Turtl3boi> LOTS cheaper and i don't mind the hotter weather
[19:35:17] <Turtl3boi> so how's real estate prices in north carolina
[19:35:36] <Turtl3boi> do you live near raleigh
[19:35:48] <jdhNC> 90 miles
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[19:38:07] <Turtl3boi> what a beautiful area
[19:38:13] <Turtl3boi> got a decent economy too
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[19:40:41] <Turtl3boi> i gotta find out where Danimal goes
[19:41:14] <jdhNC> I think it is the one on the southside with the asian hookers.
[19:44:25] <Turtl3boi> lol
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[19:53:25] <Nick001-Shop> I've dl'ed 10.04 twice and I now have 4 coasters. What am I missing here
[19:53:41] <skunkworks_> Nick001-Shop: how are you burning the iso?
[19:54:04] <Nick001-Shop> windows with power ISO
[19:54:59] <skunkworks_> what happens?
[19:56:15] <skunkworks_> jepler: one more thing.. ok - first time start I get the python traceback error and halrun stops with arduino-analog-in-00 does not exits.
[19:56:26] <skunkworks_> second try it works
[19:56:38] <Nick001-Shop> burns ok and verifies - put it into the linux machime and I have to hit enter fast for a screen to come up -hit install and the screen sort of flashes a couple of times and blackness
[19:57:11] <skunkworks_> now if I exit the pyvcp - it takes a good minute before it seems to let go of the port so that I can run the the hal file again. Then it errors first - then runs.
[19:57:49] <skunkworks_> Nick001-Shop: what happens if you try to just boot off of the livecd?
[19:58:18] <Nick001-Shop> then I get zip untill I reboot and the same thing over again. New dvd player and hard drive but I know there working
[19:58:44] <Nick001-Shop> I do boot off of it - boot order is cd first
[19:58:58] <skunkworks_> so it seems you just get a blank screen when linux tries to boot (the install also runs the gui)
[19:59:23] <skunkworks_> is this a new machine or have you had emc installed before?
[19:59:51] <Nick001-Shop> it boots with a purple sceen with 2 icons on the bottom of the screen
[20:00:12] <Nick001-Shop> screen
[20:00:56] <Nick001-Shop> have 8.04 & 2.3.5 working on another hd
[20:01:33] <Nick001-Shop> I put a new hd in so I dont screw up whats working
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[20:02:14] <skunkworks_> Nick001-Shop: what is the hardware?
[20:02:50] <Nick001-Shop> asus p800 motherboard 1gig mem
[20:03:15] <Nick001-Shop> has been working with no probs
[20:05:09] <Nick001-Shop> p4p800 se to be exact
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[20:07:14] <frallzor> lo kids
[20:07:43] <skunkworks_> Nick001-Shop: seems to be a ubuntu problem - I am not finding any solutions as of yet
[20:07:44] <skunkworks_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1627182&highlight=p4p800
[20:07:54] <skunkworks_> you might want to do some searching for that motherboard..
[20:08:28] <Nick001-Shop> it loads up 8.04 with no probs
[20:08:45] <skunkworks_> sure - that doesn't really mean anything though....
[20:09:57] <skunkworks_> Nick001-Shop: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/ubuntu-does-not-install-on-asus-p4p800-se-493299/
[20:12:36] <Nick001-Shop> aparently I have to update the bios - Ill give that a try and I'll be back
[20:13:00] <skunkworks_> •For P4P800-VM motherboards, flash the BIOS to the latest stable revision. BIOS must be at least revision 1016. 1018 is also known to work.
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[20:29:29] <skunkworks_> hmmm - how can I tell if something is locking a serial port?
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[20:47:24] <skunkworks_> hmm - this seems to be the behavior I am getting.. http://python-forum.com/pythonforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13769
[20:47:28] <Nick001-Shop> any idea how to copy the current bios to a flopy?
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[20:49:02] <Nick001-Shop> Under ubuntu
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[20:53:10] <skunkworks_> sorry
[20:56:17] <alex4nder> http://www.andern.org/alexander/taig.m4v <- the taig is alive!
[20:58:59] <Turtl3boi> yay
[20:59:13] <Turtl3boi> did you really smoke one of your bearings alex?
[21:00:20] <alex4nder> yup
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[21:00:41] <frallzor> smoke a bearing, is that like pot?
[21:00:49] <Turtl3boi> so did you have to buy a new one at some point?
[21:00:59] <Turtl3boi> and if so, how much did it cost u?
[21:01:19] <alex4nder> I went down to the skateboard shop and bought some high-end rebuildable ABEC 7 bearings
[21:01:25] <alex4nder> it cost me $30
[21:01:37] <alex4nder> and I got 8 bearings, and only needed 2
[21:01:56] <Turtl3boi> lol you can use skateboard bearings
[21:02:25] <jdhNC> actually, skateboards use mill bearings.
[21:02:33] <Turtl3boi> ahh ok
[21:02:33] <alex4nder> yup
[21:02:49] <Turtl3boi> so i see some milling bits in teh background tehre
[21:02:58] <Turtl3boi> are those the ones that came with your Taig?
[21:03:14] <alex4nder> no
[21:03:43] <skunkworks_> alex4nder: nice work!
[21:03:46] <jdhNC> did your skateboard shop have odd size bearings or just 1 or 2 normal sizes?
[21:04:07] <alex4nder> just the normal sizes
[21:04:14] <jdhNC> I bought some super-cheap ebay ones the other day. I'm starting to rethink the wisdom of $1. ball bearings
[21:05:05] <Turtl3boi> so do you have any other videos of what you've done on your Taig so far?
[21:05:12] <Turtl3boi> (by the way, your garage seems very clean haha)
[21:05:29] <alex4nder> jdhNC: http://www.shortysinc.com/black_panther_bearings/abec7.html <- I bought these, I don't know if they're actually ABEC 7, since these are sold to skaters.
[21:05:59] <alex4nder> but these seem fine..
[21:06:25] <jdhNC> do you know the sizes offhand?
[21:06:36] <jdhNC> I need 3/8 x 7/8 x 9/32
[21:06:37] <Turtl3boi> Dell Optiplex scavenged <3
[21:07:02] <jdhNC> I'm using an optiplex 760, it's a PoS
[21:07:28] <alex4nder> jdhNC: 8mm bore, 22 outter diameter, 7 mm width
[21:07:42] <mrsun> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LeBlond-21-Inch-Swing-5-HP-Heavy-Duty-Engine-Lathe-/280660178469?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4158a67625 haha now thats a paintjob =)
[21:07:53] <Turtl3boi> why is your garage so clean alex4nder
[21:07:55] <mrsun> painted everything including the pulleys and chuck :P
[21:08:11] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: because I clean it. ;)
[21:08:28] <Turtl3boi> it looks like a cleanroom
[21:09:06] <mrsun> oh the chuck is just sand blasted aparently :P
[21:11:35] <archivist> that has to be the worst paint job ever
[21:12:27] <archivist> clueless, he had reduced the value because the next user has to clean a lot of the paint off
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[21:14:13] <Turtl3boi> alex4nder got anymore videos of you doing aluminum work?
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[21:15:23] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: not yet
[21:18:31] <alex4nder> I'm going to make some fixturing gear tonight, maybe I'll record that.
[21:19:00] <alex4nder> I have a toolamker's vise that I need to be able to clamp down.
[21:19:12] <Turtl3boi> so you hadn't really done any machining with your Taig so far?
[21:19:16] <Turtl3boi> is that what you're saying
[21:19:20] <alex4nder> nope.
[21:19:28] <alex4nder> I'm saying I don't have any videos.
[21:19:29] <Turtl3boi> interesting....you went straight to the CNC
[21:19:35] <Turtl3boi> before learning the manual operation
[21:19:44] <Turtl3boi> how come you didn't just buy the Taig CNC'd to begin with
[21:20:40] <alex4nder> no, I've been milling manually for a couple months.
[21:21:53] <Turtl3boi> k
[21:22:00] <Turtl3boi> darn take some videos of it next time!
[21:22:16] <alex4nder> I milled out the plastic enclosure that I mounted the geckodrive in
[21:22:42] <alex4nder> and random fixturing gear
[21:22:49] <alex4nder> but manual milling with 20 TPI screws sucks.
[21:25:51] <Turtl3boi> what kind of plastique was it?
[21:26:13] <Turtl3boi> 20 TPI? turns per inch?
[21:26:23] <Turtl3boi> were you using Delrin or ABS plastic?
[21:27:22] <alex4nder> this was ABS
[21:29:33] <Turtl3boi> how much have you invested total in this so far? how much did the CNC kit you bought cost you ? how much did the mill bits cost you?
[21:29:47] <alex4nder> I don't know, I didn't buy a kit.
[21:29:49] <Turtl3boi> (yes i know how much a Taig costs so i'm not asking about that)
[21:29:54] <alex4nder> I'd have to do some bookkeeping.
[21:29:58] <Turtl3boi> k
[21:31:13] <alex4nder> but the parts are easy to look up.. 166 Oz/in steppers, gecko 540, 45v power supply, etc.
[21:34:39] <mrsun> Just had an urgent vital job fail inspection.. why?
[21:34:40] <mrsun> because the operators never checked the parts or wondered where you get everlasting endmills from .... and the inspector handily always busily checked the part on the bench instead of the last one in the box....... one day he might notice hes been checking the same part for 4 days instead of asking the operator for the last part machined
[21:34:41] <mrsun> ough _:P
[21:35:18] <alex4nder> hah
[21:43:13] <FinboySlick> mrsun: Hey, weren't you busy procrastinating?
[21:44:31] <mrsun> huh ? :)
[21:44:41] <mrsun> found that on practical machinist
[21:45:09] <FinboySlick> mrsun: Oh, so it wasn't your personal experience there.
[21:45:14] <frallzor> :P
[21:45:29] <mrsun> no, so i guess im still procrastinating :P
[21:45:44] <FinboySlick> mrsun: Good, I thought I had fallen behind there.
[21:45:57] <mrsun> done almost all the groundwork left in the barn today, drilled holes and bolted down the lathe, put up a bolt organising rack ...
[21:46:01] <mrsun> so ive done something :P
[21:46:23] <FinboySlick> Oh damn... Now I have to get stuff done too!
[21:46:25] <Turtl3boi> barn?
[21:46:41] <mrsun> or whatever
[21:46:53] <mrsun> small house thingie outside the ordenary house
[21:46:56] <mrsun> that im restoring :P
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[21:47:15] <mrsun> ok a barn maybe is bigger
[21:47:17] <Turtl3boi> shed
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[21:47:38] <Turtl3boi> outhouse is okay too but it usually is interpreted as "outdoor bathroom"
[21:47:39] <mrsun> bigger
[21:47:40] <mrsun> :P
[21:47:55] <mrsun> 13x4 meters big :P
[21:52:40] <Turtl3boi> lol that's a house
[21:53:38] <mrsun> but its only been used for storage and was not insulated
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[22:00:14] <danimal_laptop> got my 5th axis home :)
[22:00:42] <danimal_laptop> looks like it has hydraulic brakes on it
[22:00:56] <danimal_laptop> there's hydraulic lines going to it
[22:01:08] <Turtl3boi> wow......
[22:01:11] <toastyde1th> most usually do, is it full contouring or just indexing
[22:01:13] <Turtl3boi> how are you gonna control the hydraulics
[22:01:14] <danimal_laptop> pretty friggin stout, it says it's 500lbs
[22:01:27] <danimal_laptop> fully contouring i'd imagine
[22:01:31] <danimal_laptop> has servos on it
[22:01:41] <Nick001-Shop> what's the highest ver of emc I can go to on 8.04?
[22:01:50] <danimal_laptop> looks like a 8" faceplate on it
[22:02:51] <danimal_laptop> i got the hydraulic stuff for it, along with the servo drive
[22:03:06] <danimal_laptop> the pump, tank, hoses, etc
[22:03:11] <toastyde1th> other option if it's fully contouring is that it's a hydrostatic bearing
[22:03:36] <danimal_laptop> ah might be
[22:04:12] <danimal_laptop> that would make more sense based on where the lines are
[22:04:24] <danimal_laptop> is that good or bad?
[22:04:31] <skunkworks_> all I can say is wow... http://imagebin.org/186546
[22:05:09] <danimal_laptop> nice!
[22:05:26] <Turtl3boi> go skunky
[22:05:51] <danimal_laptop> toastyde1th: is hydrostatic bearings a good or bad thing?
[22:06:31] <danimal_laptop> the servos on it are about 400 oz/in
[22:07:32] <skunkworks_> any pictures?
[22:07:34] <skunkworks_> yet?
[22:07:58] <danimal_laptop> no, ill take some in a few
[22:08:17] <toastyde1th> i don't know what you mean by good/bad thing
[22:08:26] <toastyde1th> it's a very high load type of bearing
[22:08:39] <toastyde1th> but don't you dare try to move any of the axes by hand without the bearing running
[22:08:42] <toastyde1th> or you'll fuck the thing up
[22:09:49] <toastyde1th> hydrostatic bearings are how very very large machine tools run
[22:09:52] <skunkworks_> asus M4n68t-m v2 motherboard
[22:10:10] <mrsun> gah i want to have a foundry that can melt cast iron =)
[22:11:09] <danimal_laptop> toastyde1th: i take it there's better precision and rigidity over regular bearings?
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[22:21:11] <danimal_laptop> skunkworks: toastyde1th: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66828621@N02/6438471933/in/photostream
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[22:22:11] <danimal_laptop> i see oil sight lenses, probably for the bearings
[22:22:26] <danimal_laptop> so the hydraulics are probably for brakes
[22:23:42] <toastyde1th> hydrostatics have better rigidity but not necessarily better accuracy
[22:23:52] <sparrW> Tom_itx: sadly that chart starts too large for me :(
[22:24:29] <danimal_laptop> it's got a 6.5" faceplate
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[22:27:16] <Tom_itx> sparrW, but it does show you that the dimensions are given
[22:27:37] <sparrW> Tom_itx: aye, thanks
[22:27:50] <Tom_itx> which was i believe your question
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[22:29:50] <danimal_laptop> i need to make a hoist to get that thing on and off the machine i guess lol
[22:31:57] <Tom_itx> we'll call you Jt_jr
[22:32:53] <danimal_laptop> does anyone have any use for some cameras? i got some off of some machine, they apparently were part of a sensor or measuring device for a bending machine
[22:32:55] <Tom_itx> did that come with your mill?
[22:33:05] <danimal_laptop> no, i got it today at the surplus yard
[22:33:16] <Tom_itx> oh cool
[22:33:41] <danimal_laptop> i heart the surplus yard :)
[22:34:03] <Tom_itx> save the cameras and use them for xy alignment in emc
[22:34:19] <danimal_laptop> too much like work lol
[22:34:27] <danimal_laptop> there's 2 facing eachother
[22:34:34] <danimal_laptop> dont know much about them
[22:38:43] <Turtl3boi> give me the address of the surplus yard at some point
[22:39:04] <danimal_laptop> 1600 pensilvania ave
[22:39:09] <Turtl3boi> lol
[22:39:24] <danimal_laptop> just look up escondido surplus yard
[22:40:00] <danimal_laptop> i doubt there's much in there your dad will let you put in the garage though, most of it is large useless equipment
[22:40:16] <danimal_laptop> like conveyor stuff, huge server racks, ovens, etc
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[22:56:46] <Nick001-Shop> Can I get 2.4.7 loaded into 8.04 rather than getting ubuntu 10.04
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[22:57:44] <PCW> I think you can use the latest master with 8.04
[22:58:22] <PCW> take a look at what the buildbot makes
[22:58:37] <Nick001-Shop> what's a master? I know - dumb question
[23:00:18] <PCW> The current development branch (and 2.5 is the current pre-release branch)
[23:00:20] <PCW> I may not be totally buzzword correct
[23:01:33] <PCW> so 2.47 and 2.5 are both available from the buildbot for Hardy and Lucid (8.04 and 10.04)
[23:08:01] <Nick001-Shop> good - found the wiki with the info so I'll be doing that tomorrow. Need to put another HD in so I can go back to the working system incase I screw it up -) Thanks for the info
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