#emc | Logs for 2011-11-21

[00:01:06] <sparrW> andypugh: ok, thanks.
[00:01:58] <andypugh> sparrW: It isn't quite linear between the two extremes.
[00:02:12] <sparrW> sure :)
[00:02:34] <sparrW> how about at 50% max RPM? are we talking 90% of the stall torque or 10%?
[00:03:46] <andypugh> Maybe 50%? But I haven't looked that carefully at that many performance curves.
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[00:04:31] <sparrW> I'm trying to sell some motors that I have no way to drive :(
[00:04:44] <sparrW> trying to determine as many specs as possible
[00:04:47] <sparrW> thanks
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[00:04:49] <andypugh> pcw_home: Can you stop talking to me in english, and use hex?
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[00:05:34] <andypugh> sparrW: Well, everyone selling steppers quotes stall torque.
[00:05:48] <andypugh> sparrW: Have you tried googling the part numbers?
[00:05:51] <sparrW> I have
[00:05:55] <sparrW> lots of places selling them
[00:05:58] <sparrW> no one quoting specs
[00:06:04] <sparrW> they are replacements for industrial printers
[00:06:12] <andypugh> Ah.
[00:06:13] <sparrW> who cares about the specs when you're just going to order the exact replacement part
[00:07:32] <andypugh> pcw_home: That sequence of register values I gave you, there was a 0xF80 setup-start at the beginning that I left out.
[00:09:33] <andypugh> (ie, I left it out of the email, it is there in the driver)
[00:09:50] <andypugh> And the problem persists with v31.
[00:10:22] <pcw_home> OK so the setup start succeeds but even reading a variable does not work?
[00:10:25] <sparrW> so I'm stuck having to work from scratch
[00:10:30] <sparrW> maybe I should try to build a driver for them
[00:10:45] <sparrW> the problem is that I've got drivers rated for 2A and these motors want 3-4A
[00:11:02] <pcw_home> (this kind of has to work as the discover stuff works)
[00:11:56] <pcw_home> So is it just the EEPROM write that fails?
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[00:24:04] <andypugh> pcw_home: 0x8E8 read too (but the read _does_ get the value, so is working)
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[00:25:03] <Danimal_garage> ah, the van worked well
[00:25:25] <pcw_home> Read gets the value but you end up with 0xAA in the data reg?
[00:25:27] <Quack> yo JT that's a cool little ingredient calculator
[00:25:37] <Quack> did you write the code for that yourself?
[00:26:07] <Danimal_garage> quack, you're missing all the machinery moving fun
[00:26:22] <Quack> i thought you said i can't come visit your shop lol
[00:26:32] <Quack> i'd help you clean up your shop man
[00:26:43] <Danimal_garage> i cant have you running machines
[00:26:49] <Danimal_garage> if you got hurt, i'm screwed
[00:27:49] <Quack> k
[00:27:51] <Quack> fair enough
[00:28:12] <andypugh> pcw_home: Yes
[00:28:30] <Tom_itx> dan if you got hurt you'd be screwed too
[00:28:43] <Quack> lol
[00:28:48] <Danimal_garage> Tom_itx: less screwed
[00:28:58] <Quack> he uses his own blood as a machining coolant
[00:29:26] <Quack> Danimal, I'll do any welding work for you for free
[00:29:30] <Danimal_garage> i use the souls of kittens
[00:29:30] <andypugh> I wonder how well that would work?
[00:29:42] <Danimal_garage> tools last 9 times longere
[00:29:44] <Quack> if you just so much as help me get a decent mill
[00:29:45] <Danimal_garage> -e
[00:30:07] <Danimal_garage> quack, if i see a mill i'll let you know, i don't want anythnig for that
[00:30:15] <Quack> kk
[00:32:25] <pcw_home> Andy: So does it do this every data discovery step? Seems like that would be flagged as an error
[00:34:24] <andypugh> pcw_home: No. This is just the parameter read state-machine, which runs in realtime (unlike the param discovery code, which runs in userspace)
[00:34:42] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: how much do you figure your flatbed truckin, machine movin guy would charge to move a mill from the midwest to SD?
[00:35:10] <A2Sheds> SD (Sand Diego) not South Dakota
[00:35:14] <Danimal_garage> he only does california moves
[00:35:38] <pcw_home> But as far as SSLBP is concerned the operations should be the same
[00:35:39] <Danimal_garage> i ashed him about moving the grinder for JT-Shop, he said no
[00:35:46] <Danimal_garage> asked*
[00:36:06] <pcw_home> (all discovery is done via parameter reads)
[00:36:07] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop should be able to pull it behind his bike
[00:36:41] <A2Sheds> lots of movers don't have the interstate license
[00:36:57] <Danimal_garage> put roller skates on it
[00:37:23] <Tom_itx> it's downhill all the way isn't it?
[00:37:24] <Danimal_garage> his bike has more hp than some trucks i hauled mills and a lathe in
[00:37:42] <A2Sheds> whats the carry on limit there days, 50 lbs?
[00:37:43] <Quack> lol wow
[00:37:55] <Quack> my scooter is decently powerful
[00:38:11] <Danimal_garage> well the truck was only about 80hp
[00:38:16] <Danimal_garage> so not saying much
[00:40:00] <andypugh> pcw_home: The problem appears to be after the 0x800 stop. (generally). During setup we don't send those
[00:40:06] <Danimal_garage> ok now to move the new mill into the old mill's place...
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[00:41:56] <pcw_home> What stop do you send?
[00:42:02] <Tom_itx> Danimal_garage is the control good on it?
[00:42:12] <Tom_itx> you're still planning a conversion either way right?
[00:42:29] <A2Sheds> how have you decided to move it? 20 Romans slaves, bacon fat and an old toboggan?
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[00:43:20] <Danimal_garage> Tom_itx: i'm converting it, not worth using the old one
[00:43:44] <Danimal_garage> A2Sheds: roller scates and 2 dogs
[00:44:20] <Danimal_garage> it has a dc spindle drive in it, i dont need a vfd afterall
[00:45:50] <pcw_home> Normally I would expect a:
[00:45:51] <pcw_home> StopAll (0x800)
[00:45:53] <pcw_home> Setup start (0xFNN or 0xFFF if you dont care who you start)
[00:45:55] <pcw_home> parameter read
[00:45:56] <pcw_home> parameter read
[00:45:58] <pcw_home> etc
[00:45:59] <pcw_home> Stopall (0x800)
[00:46:01] <pcw_home> Normal start (0x9NN)
[00:46:45] <pcw_home> (all with command complete waits between commands of course)
[00:48:01] <andypugh> Yes, that's what happens.
[00:48:54] <andypugh> Except with a stop-all after each read/write in the setup case, because the port is actually meant to be stopped.
[00:49:49] <andypugh> (by setup I mean HAL and TRAM running, but port-0.run = 0, and port.read or port.write pins toggled)
[00:50:52] <Quack> http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/2704611349.html <---what is a jig borer?
[00:51:11] <pcw_home> what I dont get is why this works for parameter discovery but not for an independent parameter read
[00:51:43] <andypugh> pcw_home: There is no check of DATA after StopAll in parameter discovery.
[00:52:27] <pcw_home> Oh OK the data register is not significant after a stop
[00:52:41] <andypugh> Quack: A super-accurate drilling machine. Designed to put holes in _exactly_ the right place.
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[00:54:20] <andypugh> pcw_home: So, I should just delete that test?
[00:54:25] <pcw_home> Probably should be 0xFF after a stop (stop does no communication so knows nothing, it just aborts communication and prepares for the next start)
[00:55:00] <Snowman0> just finished building a router now I need to calibrate it, not sure what is wrong but it seems to be going 2in. instead of 1in, any ideas
[00:55:06] <pcw_home> Yes that data register means nothing after a stop
[00:56:14] <pcw_home> Only after a start or DoIt (something that communicates with the remote)
[00:59:56] <pcw_home> I suppose that it could return a 0 (but I suspect since data after a stop was not of any real use it returns debug data in most SSLBP versions)
[01:00:22] <andypugh> OK, but I still appear not to be setting the currrent.
[01:01:29] <pcw_home> You need to cycle the 8I20 power for the EEPROM data to be used (copied to the volatile MAXCURRENT)
[01:01:40] <andypugh> Yes, I just did..
[01:02:02] <andypugh> Do I need to cycle DC bus power too?
[01:02:13] <pcw_home> No
[01:02:26] <andypugh> (I ought to mask-out the lowvolt error in setup mode, really)
[01:03:02] <pcw_home> Do yo get a valid data transfer (0 in appropriate data reg bit after doit complete)
[01:07:26] <A2Sheds> http://bakersfield.craigslist.org/tls/2659153082.html $1 CNC KNEE MILL
[01:08:02] <andypugh> pcw_home: It appears so.
[01:09:00] <andypugh> A2Sheds: I don't think that is the _actual_ price
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[01:10:53] <A2Sheds> "trade or sell, let's make a deal" , usually they will list off things they might want to trade for, beer can collection, ATV, scuba welders helmet, moon rover spare tire and jack etc
[01:11:29] <andypugh> pcw_home: You know what I think might be be problem? I think I might be trying to write to the wrong address....
[01:11:43] <andypugh> What _is_ the nvmaxcurrent address?
[01:11:58] <pcw_home> Yeah I think its 2
[01:12:26] <andypugh> That in decimal, octal or hex :-)
[01:12:35] <pcw_home> MAXCURRENT is 2280 decimal
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[01:12:38] <emcrules_d510> andypugh: would any of this relate to me or is this driver work?
[01:13:09] <andypugh> It relates to changing the max current that the 8i20 can supply
[01:13:12] <A2Sheds> Quack: http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tls/2656941421.html
[01:13:54] <emcrules_d510> was the hal pin max current not working properly?
[01:14:30] <andypugh> pcw_home: Which address do I write to change the nv max current? I am confused now.
[01:14:31] <A2Sheds> http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/for/2687493981.html vertical mill supermax - $1400
[01:14:43] <pcw_home> Note that you cannot change MAXCURRENT dynamically (only changable by setting NVMAXCURRENT and resetting)
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[01:14:50] <emcrules_d510> if i set it to 20 i did get that message that it was over the limit.
[01:14:52] <andypugh> emcrules_d510: There is a soft limit (HAL pin) and a firmware limit (up to 30A)
[01:15:51] <emcrules_d510> oh i thought the hal pin set the limit in the drives firmware
[01:15:54] <andypugh> Yes, so, what is NVMAXCURRENT?
[01:16:01] <emcrules_d510> 7.5
[01:16:13] <andypugh> emcrules_d510: No, not you, him!
[01:16:22] <pcw_home> so the driver reads MAXCURRENT @2280 to check if you are setting possible values
[01:16:24] <pcw_home> (NVMAXCURRENT is 2)
[01:16:24] <emcrules_d510> sorry
[01:17:03] <andypugh> Yes, it reads MAXCURRENT, then normalises current requests on the basis of that, in software.
[01:19:39] <andypugh> pcw_home: OK, ignore that last email. When I actually write to the correct address, it works fine.
[01:19:54] <andypugh> I now have 7.5A max current back.
[01:20:27] <pcw_home> did we send you the include file with all the params?
[01:20:40] <andypugh> This hasn't been a total waste of time, I have removed a very spurious error check
[01:21:04] <pcw_home> (not that messing with NVBAUDRATE or others is a good idea)
[01:21:11] <andypugh> pcw_home: Not one with the correct addresses, no. One with MAXCURRENT = 232 is what I have
[01:24:05] <pcw_home> You must currently be reading it correctly if the driver reports it correctly
[01:25:07] <andypugh> Yes, you told me the correct value in an email. My point is that I don't know if the other addresses are correct.
[01:26:52] <andypugh> My idea of dressing up 8i20 to look like a generic self-declaring card is rather complicated by the max_current pin. That can't be encoded into a generic config.
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[01:28:43] <andypugh> Anyway, it is much too late to be doing this now.
[01:29:16] <andypugh> emcrules_d510: Before I go though, did you get any further with your 8i20?
[01:29:23] <Tom_itx> what ver is the live cd now?
[01:29:39] <Tom_itx> has it been upgraded to 2.5 yet?
[01:29:57] <andypugh> 2.4.6 I think.
[01:30:08] <andypugh> 2.5 still isn't released
[01:30:15] <Danimal_garage> by george, i think they're in place, for the most pary
[01:30:19] <Danimal_garage> part*
[01:30:25] <Danimal_garage> only took me all day
[01:30:48] <EmcRules> andypugh: not really. I'm thinking that magnetic homing is not reliable right now. this is probably due to not knowing the exact comutation pattern 100%
[01:31:33] <andypugh> You shouldn't need to know the commutation pattern for magnetic homing.
[01:31:40] <EmcRules> i've tried a few. im sure the motor uses 60 deg comm but who knows?
[01:31:58] <pcw_home> Can you spin the motor?
[01:32:01] <EmcRules> you would after you home
[01:32:07] <EmcRules> yes
[01:32:19] <pcw_home> For many turns?
[01:32:21] <andypugh> In fact, the whole concept of magnetic homing and a commutation pattern is wrong.
[01:32:36] <EmcRules> yes
[01:32:49] <EmcRules> andypugh? what do you mean?
[01:32:54] <pcw_home> Yeah there is no commutation pattern just counts
[01:33:56] <andypugh> You use magnetic homing as a last resort, if you have no hall sensors. If you have no Hall sensors then you don't have a commutation pattern
[01:33:57] <EmcRules> you have to tell bldc what pattern to follow though?
[01:34:09] <pcw_home> Nope
[01:34:32] <EmcRules> ah ok i thought you used counts to drive the pattern
[01:34:57] <pcw_home> Well yes but the "pattern" is just a sine wave
[01:35:06] <andypugh> What's your bldc string?
[01:35:09] <EmcRules> so pattern setting is meaningless when you go from trap to sine
[01:35:28] <EmcRules> iq
[01:36:02] <pcw_home> Yes only rotor angle is needed
[01:36:03] <andypugh> Have you spun the motor with hall sensors?
[01:36:17] <andypugh> (do you have hall sensors?)
[01:36:23] <EmcRules> nope
[01:36:41] <EmcRules> i was thinking of making a hall encoder
[01:36:46] <Tom_itx> andypugh who decides when 2.5 is ready?
[01:36:55] <Tom_itx> any timeline on it?
[01:37:03] <pcw_home> I think for simplicity starting with mag align is better
[01:37:04] <EmcRules> 3 optics seprated by 120 deg
[01:37:12] <andypugh> iq will home to the encoder index. In that case your critical parameter is encoder-offset. That's measured in counts.
[01:37:34] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I do know that it isn't me. And that is all I know.
[01:37:35] <EmcRules> so i locked rotored the motor
[01:37:42] <Tom_itx> heh
[01:37:55] <pcw_home> I would avoid all that and use mag align
[01:38:05] <pcw_home> at least to start
[01:38:06] <EmcRules> the index did match with the motor when it mag aligned
[01:39:14] <EmcRules> locked rotor = +24vdc to u phase comm to V & W phasees
[01:39:39] <andypugh> What I have been doing is setting the system to a low current, with PID active, and twisting the shaft by hand, tweaking the encoder-offset until the stiffness feels the same both ways.
[01:39:53] <pcw_home> OK so can you set a small P term (say .001) and turn the shaft by hand and feel the torque build (equally in both directions)
[01:40:28] <EmcRules> I had that working hen i first set it up with - pterm
[01:41:11] <pcw_home> So you need to fix that (-P term is bad news with EMCs PID)
[01:41:37] <EmcRules> torque would build equally in both directions and i could only rotate the shaft 15 deg either way befor the torque got too high for me to fight
[01:42:16] <pcw_home> (well you could lower the P term)
[01:42:36] <Quack> hahaha scuba welders helmet
[01:43:15] <danimal_laptop> ugh, i need a beer after that crap
[01:43:22] <danimal_laptop> too bad i don't have any
[01:43:34] <EmcRules> pcw: so you suggest to loose the index option and just go straight mag align?
[01:43:47] <pcw_home> Andy can you invert the current if you set the drivers maxcurrent negative?
[01:43:59] <Quack> hey Danimal how much would your boi charge for delivering a 2 ton mill from riverside to san diego
[01:44:12] <EmcRules> cant i just invert the pid output?
[01:44:40] <andypugh> I am not sure.
[01:44:47] <pcw_home> PID has no such option unfortunately
[01:44:57] <andypugh> Inverting the encoder scale might be the correct fix.
[01:45:56] <pcw_home> yeah I guess that does not affect raw counts
[01:46:28] <EmcRules> i will try that. I borke down my setup for right now. should be getting my 5i25 and other boards tomorrow
[01:46:29] <danimal_laptop> Quack: good question. maybe 400?
[01:46:56] <andypugh> OK, night all
[01:47:01] <danimal_laptop> night andypugh
[01:47:08] <EmcRules> later andy
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[01:47:33] <pcw_home> but may revers you axis readouts too bad PID doesnt have an output scale option
[01:47:44] <A2Sheds> andypugh: any idea how in ubuntu to permanently kill dpms and screen saver?
[01:47:59] <danimal_laptop> he's gone
[01:48:02] <Quack> thanks man. that's surprisingly cheap
[01:48:03] <pcw_home> andy has left the building
[01:48:11] <danimal_laptop> Quack: only guessing
[01:48:14] <A2Sheds> anyone else?
[01:48:18] <Quack> does that include helping me get it off the truck?
[01:48:22] <Quack> oh ok cool
[01:48:24] <Quack> well ask him
[01:49:04] <danimal_laptop> well he can do it 2 ways, he can bring a forklift, or he can use his flatbed and dump it in your driveway
[01:49:22] <danimal_laptop> he dumped it in the front of my garage for me
[01:49:29] <A2Sheds> xset -dpms seems to kill dpms but where can you set a script for it to be permanent?
[01:51:52] <danimal_laptop> does dpms really matter when you're using a fgpa card from mesa?
[01:52:01] <danimal_laptop> just curious
[01:52:37] <danimal_laptop> i had issues with huge latency spikes, and it didn't really effect anything
[01:53:07] <danimal_laptop> mine was a hdd issue though
[01:54:08] <A2Sheds> i just want the monitor to stay ON
[01:54:23] <Quack> so A2Sheds, what are you looking at getting for your Cincinatti?
[01:54:42] <danimal_laptop> oh
[01:54:43] <A2Sheds> Quack: you were in the ball park
[01:54:54] <Quack> Obviously if he brings the forklift it's gonna cost quite a bit more I'd imagine Danimal.
[01:54:59] <Quack> Oh ok i see.
[01:55:17] <danimal_laptop> A2Sheds: ah i thought you meant something else
[01:55:18] <Quack> I'm still asking my old boss about different mills
[01:55:25] <Quack> I'll ask him what he thinks of CIncinatti brand
[01:55:32] <danimal_laptop> A2Sheds: where are you again?
[01:55:38] <Quack> Chi-Town
[01:55:42] <danimal_laptop> cincinatti is good
[01:55:48] <Quack> hmmm ok
[01:56:02] <danimal_laptop> damn thats far to get a mill
[01:56:50] <Quack> Yeah A2.....the big ?-mark for me is the shipping costs
[01:57:03] <danimal_laptop> probably in the 1500 range
[01:57:10] <Quack> I am still trying to figure out how much it would cost to get it to me from Chicago
[01:57:20] <A2Sheds> yeah, 2k miles, I'd trailer it out if I was up for a road trip, it just gets tricky off road
[01:57:54] <danimal_laptop> off road?
[01:58:01] <danimal_laptop> we have roads here :)
[01:59:07] <A2Sheds> what's the fun of CO, AZ and UT if you stay on the road?
[02:00:23] <Quack> Utah has the best beef jerky dude
[02:00:32] <Quack> but then that's like the only attraction for me
[02:00:35] <danimal_laptop> peyote?
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[02:06:56] <Quack> Oh christ getting a Mill is such a bear
[02:07:38] <A2Sheds> it's not too easy when you're trying to get it into a garage
[02:08:01] <danimal_laptop> be patient, the perfect mill will come along
[02:08:28] <A2Sheds> Quack: did you see that link? http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/for/2687493981.html $1400
[02:08:56] <Quack> yeahit's nice
[02:08:58] <Quack> brb
[02:08:58] <danimal_laptop> thats been on there for a while
[02:09:06] <danimal_laptop> wonder why it wont sell
[02:09:16] <A2Sheds> yeah, I wondered the same
[02:09:25] <danimal_laptop> thats a perfect mill for you Quack
[02:09:30] <A2Sheds> in a basement?
[02:09:36] <danimal_laptop> easy retrofit
[02:09:40] <A2Sheds> 2nd floor, no elevator?
[02:09:44] <danimal_laptop> not around here, no basements
[02:09:52] <A2Sheds> smells like cats?
[02:10:01] <danimal_laptop> it has serbos and it looks like it has hand cranks too
[02:10:05] <danimal_laptop> servos
[02:10:46] <danimal_laptop> so you can probably use it manually as well
[02:11:17] <danimal_laptop> i almost called on it but i wanted a mill with a toolchanger
[02:11:33] <A2Sheds> I've come across some nice machines that were in hard to get places
[02:12:36] <danimal_laptop> thats an industrial building, it'd be pretty easy i'm sure
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[02:13:56] <A2Sheds> oh well, round trip is $1200 in gas
[02:14:05] <danimal_laptop> ha!
[02:14:08] <danimal_laptop> ouch
[02:14:29] <danimal_laptop> will it fit in my saturn?
[02:14:37] <danimal_laptop> that gets 30mpg
[02:14:45] <danimal_laptop> :)
[02:15:20] <A2Sheds> I used to drive to SD in 30 hours
[02:15:39] <danimal_laptop> not bad
[02:15:51] <A2Sheds> gas was probably $1.20/gal
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[02:16:04] <danimal_laptop> i miss those days
[02:16:23] <danimal_laptop> 5 bucks to fill up my motorcycle
[02:16:32] <danimal_laptop> 50 to fill up the van
[02:16:45] <danimal_laptop> now it's 50 to fill up the saturn
[02:17:06] <A2Sheds> leave at noon be there for supper the next day
[02:17:21] <danimal_laptop> nice
[02:17:51] <alex4nder> hey
[02:17:59] <danimal_laptop> hi
[02:21:02] <alex4nder> danimal_laptop: how's it going?
[02:21:28] <Danimal_garage> not too bad, u?
[02:22:02] <alex4nder> not bad in the grand scheme, annoyed: X is all of a sudden locking up on the machine I'm using for mill control.
[02:22:49] <alex4nder> it went from working fine for weeks, to segfaulting inside the i810 DRI code.
[02:23:17] <Danimal_garage> that blows
[02:23:25] <alex4nder> yah, I'm scratching my head.
[02:23:37] <alex4nder> it's some shitbox dell optiplex I rescued, so maybe it's just time.
[02:24:04] <Danimal_garage> i use those on a few machines
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[02:28:07] <alex4nder> danimal_laptop: yah the hardware itself seems like a good combo
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[02:37:14] <tom3p> HeeksCNC generates islanded pockets http://imagebin.org/184955 emc2 runs HeeksCNC island gcode http://imagebin.org/184956
[02:37:33] <tom3p> emc2 is pretty cool :) thanks guys
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[02:40:39] <Danimal_garage> this cabinet is a mess....
[02:41:07] <Danimal_garage> thankfully i'm only keeping the drives out of it
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[03:57:05] <danimal_laptop> ugh, the power supply for the servos is for the control also. i dont really want to use it
[03:57:33] <Tom_itx> how big is it?
[03:57:59] <Tom_itx> and why not use it if it's there?
[03:58:04] <danimal_laptop> pretty big
[03:58:52] <danimal_laptop> probably 75lbs
[03:59:02] <danimal_laptop> for the transformer
[03:59:08] <Tom_itx> yeah
[04:00:25] <danimal_laptop> so if im running 3 servo amps, 10amp/20a peak, 80v, do i need a 60a power supply?
[04:00:56] <Tom_itx> probably
[04:01:16] <Tom_itx> but you're not likely to stall all 3 at once
[04:01:23] <Tom_itx> if you do, you got bigger problems
[04:01:47] <danimal_laptop> yea
[04:02:03] <Tom_itx> but you should design for worst case with a buffer
[04:02:43] <Tom_itx> i don't know what % cnc designers build for
[04:06:26] <danimal_laptop> i guess i should call copley
[04:06:31] <Eartaker> Danimal_garage, are you running the gecko drives?
[04:06:53] <danimal_laptop> no
[04:06:57] <danimal_laptop> copley
[04:07:19] <Tom_itx> figure the supply they have there is clean too
[04:07:35] <Tom_itx> you don't want a noisy supply with cnc
[04:08:58] <danimal_laptop> i dont want to try and figure out what goes to the drives and what goes to the control
[04:09:19] <danimal_laptop> plus i dont have room for the transformer in the cabinet i want to use
[04:09:27] <Tom_itx> oh
[04:10:01] <danimal_laptop> not the most logical choice i guess, but if i can buy a nice power supply that will take up less room and work, i'd rather do that
[04:10:23] <danimal_laptop> real estate is like gold in my shop
[04:10:53] <Tom_itx> so is copper
[04:11:07] <danimal_laptop> if i can lose this hught cabinet on one side of the mill, i'm going to do it
[04:11:26] <danimal_laptop> huge*
[04:12:13] <danimal_laptop> http://www.ebay.com/itm/COPLEY-POWER-SUPPLY-75VDC-10A-PST-070-08-DP-/150572003055?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230eca6eef
[04:12:51] <danimal_laptop> that's probably a little small, but they come in nice boxes i can bolt to the back of the enclosure or something
[04:12:52] <Tom_itx> pretty small for what you need you think?
[04:13:12] <danimal_laptop> they make bigger ones for my drives
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[04:23:26] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/70V-600W-CNC-Mill-Router-Power-Supply-Gecko-Driver-/370546932025?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5646517939
[04:23:30] <Tom_itx> maybe a couple of those
[04:23:41] <Tom_itx> or one per axis even
[04:25:18] <Tom_itx> maybe not big enough
[04:26:07] <Tom_itx> toroids are gonna be more efficient i believe
[04:28:34] <danimal_laptop> hmm
[04:30:33] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/70V-800W-5V-12V-Power-Supply-CNC-Mill-Servo-Step-Motor-/250762437420?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a629b232c
[04:30:40] <Tom_itx> those are a little bigger
[04:31:05] <Tom_itx> still not quite big enough
[04:33:31] <danimal_laptop> i'll call the machinery dismantler, they never sell those things so im sure he has a few laying around
[04:33:45] <danimal_laptop> time for grub, ttyl
[04:33:52] <Tom_itx> make a trade with him
[04:33:56] <Tom_itx> maybe you can get it for free
[04:34:38] <Tom_itx> if he can't move em, he's likely after the copper anyway
[04:35:46] <danimal_laptop> he doesnt waste his time with that
[04:35:54] <Tom_itx> oh
[04:36:07] <Tom_itx> maybe he should
[04:36:13] <A2Sheds> http://www.antekinc.com/pdf/PS-10N77R.pdf http://www.antekinc.com/lview.php?d[]=1&p=2&r=25&k=
[04:37:25] <A2Sheds> http://www.antekinc.com/pdf/PS-10N70R.pdf
[04:38:34] <A2Sheds> no real specs on their toroid
[04:38:56] <Tom_itx> still minimum at 12A
[04:39:26] <Tom_itx> so if im running 3 servo amps, 10amp/20a peak, 80v.....
[04:39:40] <Tom_itx> would run hot i bet
[04:40:23] <A2Sheds> http://www.antekinc.com/details.php?p=512
[04:41:07] <Tom_itx> x3
[04:41:20] <danimal_laptop> im going to call the drive manufacturyer and see what they sa
[04:41:24] <danimal_laptop> say
[04:41:28] <danimal_laptop> damn keyboard
[04:41:28] <Tom_itx> still nearly ~$700
[04:41:42] <danimal_laptop> i'm not buying new
[04:41:52] <Tom_itx> didn't figure you would
[04:44:14] <Valen> i hate the people who scrap working stuff for the heaps of money in the copper in them
[04:44:21] <Valen> its like $6 a kg people
[04:47:24] <A2Sheds> cars are being stolen here just for the catalytic converters
[04:47:25] <danimal_laptop> for the time spent getting the copper, i could have made 3 times as much making a couple parts
[04:48:01] <danimal_laptop> not even including the time involved in recycling it
[04:48:11] <A2Sheds> or sneaking under them with cordless saws
[04:48:32] <danimal_laptop> yea that sucks
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[04:48:43] <danimal_laptop> they go for big bucks
[04:48:51] <danimal_laptop> i wish i kept the cats off my car when i sold it
[04:48:54] <danimal_laptop> it had 6
[04:49:12] <danimal_laptop> i could have sold it with the aftermarket x pipe instead
[04:49:59] <danimal_laptop> ok bbl
[04:51:52] <A2Sheds> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Powertron-Power-DC-Supply-PX80-125-80V-125A-VARIABLE-/270700758824?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0705c728
[04:52:03] <A2Sheds> 80V 125A
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[05:05:27] <danimal_laptop> too much money
[05:05:44] <A2Sheds> unless they take a lowball offer
[05:05:59] <A2Sheds> or use it to run 2 machines
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[05:07:07] <danimal_laptop> i wont pay more than 200 or so
[05:07:20] <danimal_laptop> pretty sure i can get one locally for way less
[05:08:40] <A2Sheds> 1@80V 60A or 3@ 80V 20A
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[05:18:06] <Quack> what's up
[05:18:16] <Quack> Sorry I had to take off like that earlier
[05:18:22] <Quack> my roommate had to turn off the electricity
[05:19:52] <danimal_laptop> why dont u get that supermax?
[05:20:20] <Quack> http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/for/2687493981.html <---this one? yeah i was looking at it
[05:20:27] <Quack> it looks like a great deal and pretty new
[05:20:57] <Quack> it looks even bigger than a typical bridgeport 2 ton
[05:21:41] <danimal_laptop> its probably 3000lbs
[05:21:51] <Quack> geez it looks tall too
[05:22:00] <Quack> i have height limtations im my mom's garage
[05:22:48] <A2Sheds> Quack: are you going to store it there or run it there? You can take the head off for storage
[05:22:59] <Quack> run it there
[05:23:02] <danimal_laptop> how high?
[05:23:12] <danimal_laptop> it'll fit in a standard 8 foot garage
[05:24:23] <Quack> the height of a chevy van
[05:24:28] <danimal_laptop> that big thing on the bottom comes off, it's a coolant catch tray thing
[05:24:32] <Quack> plus a bit more
[05:24:39] <Quack> yeah it's probably a bit more than 8 feet
[05:24:41] <danimal_laptop> the door or the celing
[05:24:51] <Quack> the door is probably 8 feet
[05:24:53] <danimal_laptop> doors are usually 7 feet
[05:24:55] <A2Sheds> http://www.magnumprecisionmachines.com/usedpgs/fullsize/lg_img/ycm40_supermax_milll.jpg
[05:25:00] <Quack> but right under the dryer it's more like 10 feet
[05:25:01] <A2Sheds> better pic
[05:25:38] <danimal_laptop> supermaxs are b-port size
[05:25:54] <Quack> i'll trust u on that one
[05:26:06] <Quack> it looks nicer than a bridgeport
[05:26:20] <A2Sheds> 2920lbs
[05:26:20] <danimal_laptop> about 2000-2500 for the machine plus about 500-700lbs for the cnc stuff
[05:26:35] <danimal_laptop> sounds about right
[05:27:13] <danimal_laptop> Quack: i dint think they're in the picture, but i think it has cranks or can have cranks so you can use it manually too
[05:27:18] <Quack> that's a bit bigger than a bport
[05:27:23] <danimal_laptop> no, it isnt
[05:27:40] <Quack> wow that's nice to be able to use it manually too
[05:27:50] <danimal_laptop> it's the same size. the extra weight is the cnc stuff
[05:28:01] <Quack> what does "w/track cnc 2 controls" mean?
[05:28:01] <danimal_laptop> i've seen plenty of them in person
[05:28:10] <danimal_laptop> it's an old cnc control
[05:28:28] <danimal_laptop> it's an early proto trak
[05:28:46] <A2Sheds> http://www.gotmachinery.com/details/?9-X-49-Used-Supermax-YCM40-Knee-Type-CNC-Mill-7576
[05:28:52] <danimal_laptop> the controler sucks, but it would make a great emc2 project
[05:28:53] <A2Sheds> different specs
[05:29:22] <A2Sheds> height 84-1/2"
[05:29:31] <A2Sheds> weight 3500 Lbs
[05:30:00] <Quack> the main motor is 220/440/3
[05:30:05] <Quack> does that mean it can take single phase dryer outlet?
[05:30:18] <danimal_laptop> no
[05:30:19] <A2Sheds> nope. 3-phase
[05:30:33] <danimal_laptop> the control is likely single phase
[05:30:46] <danimal_laptop> the spindle is 3 phase, but you can use a vfd
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[05:31:29] <Quack> 3500 lbs is pushing it
[05:31:34] <Quack> our foundation is pretty crappy
[05:31:38] <Quack> our house was built in 1995
[05:33:06] <danimal_laptop> i doubt you'll have an issue
[05:34:42] <Quack> k
[05:34:51] <Quack> that seems like a good deal for a mill
[05:34:59] <Quack> especially if it's arleady CNC
[05:35:06] <A2Sheds> I'd buy it
[05:35:07] <Quack> btw is it just CNC in the X-Y plane?
[05:35:33] <Quack> is that what "cnc 2 controls" means?
[05:35:43] <danimal_laptop> i have 2 6000lbs+ mills, 2 2500lb lathes, a 1000lb surface grinder, 700lb compressor, and 2000lb manual mill in my garage on a 40 year old slab
[05:35:58] <danimal_laptop> no it's 3 axis
[05:36:07] <danimal_laptop> you can see the z axis servo
[05:37:30] <Quack> and you do this just as a hobby?
[05:37:36] <danimal_laptop> no
[05:37:48] <Quack> oh the z-axis servo is that thing on top
[05:38:17] <danimal_laptop> on the side of the head
[05:38:35] <danimal_laptop> the thing on top is a power drawbar
[05:38:49] <Quack> oh it's on the side
[05:38:56] <Quack> i guess the thing on top would be the spindle motor eh?
[05:39:03] <Quack> power drawbar?
[05:40:24] <danimal_laptop> to take the tool out
[05:43:25] <Quack> holy crap it's got power for that
[05:43:48] <Quack> really cool that you can still use it easily as a manual mill
[05:44:02] <danimal_laptop> i think you can
[05:44:18] <danimal_laptop> dont quote me on that, but it looks like it
[05:44:33] <danimal_laptop> usually you can with trak conversions
[05:48:54] <Quack> dangit i hope this is a good one
[05:48:58] <Quack> i'm about to call this cat tomorrow
[05:49:08] <danimal_laptop> cool
[05:49:15] <danimal_laptop> hope it works out
[05:49:43] <Quack> thanks man appreciate you guys finding that for me
[05:51:33] <danimal_laptop> np
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[06:09:11] <Valen> tool changers are awesome
[06:09:14] <Valen> i wish i had one
[06:09:24] <danimal_laptop> yea
[06:09:39] <danimal_laptop> i love mine
[06:09:48] <Valen> chinese spindle has no provision for one and no real way of hacking one onto it that i can see
[06:10:06] <danimal_laptop> that sucks
[06:10:25] <Valen> lots
[06:21:03] <Quack> tool changers seem odd to me
[06:21:13] <Quack> do they really make machining prototypes faster
[06:21:19] <Quack> or is it more for a production run
[06:23:04] <Eartaker> Quack, depends
[06:23:14] <Quack> k
[06:24:30] <Eartaker> if you know you will mainly be using the same tools for whatever you do you can program them in and have the CNC grab the tool. there are also other tooling options that give the same benefits of a tool changer but you just change by hand
[06:25:27] <Eartaker> in other words what it does is you can pre-program in the tool length so you don't have to touchoff the tool for a zero on the Z axis on a tool change
[06:30:37] <Quack> Do you yourself wind up using a Lathe more than a MILl?
[06:42:46] <Eartaker> yeah
[06:43:00] <Eartaker> the lathe is the heart of any machine shop
[06:47:41] <Quack> crap i keep hearing that over and over
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[06:54:58] <Eartaker> Quack, if you plan on doing any machining I would suggest getting a lathe.
[06:55:12] <Quack> lathe first? then a mill
[06:55:36] <Eartaker> depends on what you want to do.... I got mine at the same time
[06:55:49] <Eartaker> I have 2 lathes and 2 mills
[06:55:55] <Quack> i want to make angle cuts to join tubes together for say, bike frames
[06:55:56] <Eartaker> 2 small and 2 larger
[06:56:05] <Quack> oh ok
[06:56:16] <Eartaker> oh for that you could just use a chop saw lol
[06:56:37] <Eartaker> that can do miter cuts
[06:57:06] <Quack> well a chop saw can't do a hole cut
[06:57:13] <Quack> i think i just might need a drill press only
[06:58:01] <Eartaker> yeah
[06:58:10] <Eartaker> how large of a hole though?
[06:58:21] <Eartaker> bigger than 1"?
[06:58:32] <Quack> sometimes yeah
[06:58:35] <Quack> for aluminum tube
[06:59:19] <Eartaker> dont go cheap on your drill press... get a good one and something that will run at about 100rpm for large holes
[06:59:41] <Quack> so a variable speed one
[07:00:13] <Quack> but i do want to get into making little electronics enclosures and stuff
[07:00:28] <Quack> i wonder if a mill would then already be necessary for that so i could just bypass the drillpress
[07:01:00] <Eartaker> better just buy this http://www.amazon.com/JTM-4VS-2-Horsepower-230-Volt-Vertical-49-Inch/dp/B001D6W05S
[07:01:07] <Eartaker> and convert to cnc
[07:01:20] <Quack> oooo it has singlephase
[07:01:25] <Quack> for my mom's dryer outlet
[07:01:30] <Eartaker> I mean a mill will do what a drill press does
[07:01:32] <Eartaker> and more
[07:01:47] <Eartaker> I would go with a mill
[07:04:26] <Quack> would you go brand new or used?
[07:14:05] <Eartaker> if you can find a used one in good condition for a good price I would go that way since im guessing you are new to machining right?
[07:15:54] <Quack> yeah i'm new
[07:16:09] <Quack> i also don't appreciate the humongousness of these bridgeport class mills
[07:16:23] <Quack> but then again it looks like something smaller is pretty much worthless
[07:16:50] <Eartaker> not really... you could go with something like I have
[07:16:59] <Quack> what do you have then?
[07:17:14] <Eartaker> http://www.eartaker.net/machining/milling/zx45.php
[07:18:27] <Eartaker> if you are interested give these guys a call... http://precisionmatthews.com/PM45Mbenchmill.html
[07:19:18] <Quack> interseting it's kinda like in between a mini mill and a bridgeport
[07:19:53] <Eartaker> yeah, its not light...~1000lbs
[07:20:39] <Quack> how much was your ZX45
[07:20:46] <Eartaker> I can run some good size cutters on it and it will eat some metal but it also doesn't take up the space like a Bridgeport
[07:20:47] <Quack> and how much does the PM45 run?
[07:20:58] <Quack> yeah that sounds perfect
[07:21:52] <Eartaker> mine was $1700 delivered but I got mine from bolton hardware Im not sure on the PM45 but it does have a larger Y travel and I know a few guys who are happy with it
[07:22:48] <Quack> is bolton hardware an online shop
[07:23:36] <Eartaker> yeah
[07:24:09] <Eartaker> HOLY HELL... price has went up
[07:24:09] <Eartaker> http://www.boltonhardware.com/category/bolton-tools/metal-lathes-milling-machines/mill-drill/gear-head-milling-machine.php
[07:24:14] <Quack> http://www.boltonhardware.com/category/bolton-tools/metal-lathes-milling-machines/mill-drill/gear-head-milling-machine.php\
[07:24:20] <Quack> lol oops
[07:24:22] <Eartaker> lol
[07:24:24] <Quack> didn't notice u already posted it
[07:26:02] <Quack> is a power feed significantly different from a CNC
[07:29:23] <Eartaker> yeah, you hit the lever and it will just feed at a constant rate rather than you turning the handle
[07:29:34] <Eartaker> CNC is controled by the PC
[07:30:08] <Eartaker> anyway im out, time for bed
[07:30:14] <Eartaker> ill be on tomorrow
[07:30:46] <Quack> g'nite Eartaker
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[07:33:08] <toastyde1th> Quack, are you drilling holes in solid
[07:33:19] <toastyde1th> or are you just drilling a 1" hole through thin material like pipe
[07:33:25] <Quack> yeah solid aluminum as well
[07:33:27] <toastyde1th> because a bridgeport will not do 1" solid very easily
[07:33:31] <Quack> i wanna do pipe as well as solid
[07:33:37] <Quack> it won't haha?
[07:33:39] <toastyde1th> you will usually have to drill small and bore out
[07:34:22] <Quack> yeah i'm not gonna drill a 1" hole in solid steel often
[07:34:23] <Quack> nor aluminum
[07:34:37] <Quack> usually much smaller holes for machine screws etc.
[07:36:04] <toastyde1th> can you fit a bridgeport wherever you are
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[07:38:49] <Quack> possibly yeah
[07:39:04] <Quack> but it seems a bit large-ish for my situation
[07:39:06] <toastyde1th> a bridgeport, in the scheme of things, is a small milling machine
[07:39:30] <toastyde1th> new people often underestimate how hard metalcutting is on machines and how much rigidity even small cuts take if they're to be made accurately
[07:39:38] <toastyde1th> you can for sure use whatever mill you want
[07:39:46] <ds3> that is relative
[07:39:57] <toastyde1th> spec'ed with whatever constraint you have, money, space, interest, whatever
[07:40:18] <ds3> 1/16" EMs don't require that much more rigidity then a Bridgeport!
[07:40:47] <toastyde1th> that's interesting, because micromilling machines often weigh more than a bridgeport and take up more floorspace
[07:41:07] <toastyde1th> one can make do with whatever constraint they feel like
[07:41:14] <toastyde1th> if that's a desktop mill, a+
[07:41:34] <ds3> :)
[07:41:39] <Quack> k
[07:41:44] <toastyde1th> my strong recommendation, even for tiny things, is to go with a bridgeport sized machine if they're aren't precluded by your constraints.
[07:41:48] <Quack> i want to make aluminum screw caps
[07:41:56] <Quack> is that likely to be able to be done with a mini mill
[07:42:09] <toastyde1th> you can do lots of stuff with a mini mill
[07:42:09] <Quack> you know the threads on a maglite?
[07:42:12] <toastyde1th> so absolutely
[07:42:15] <Quack> like a 1" thread
[07:42:23] <Quack> 1" diamater tube wtih threads
[07:42:23] <toastyde1th> that's more of a lathe job
[07:42:27] <Quack> oh really
[07:42:40] <toastyde1th> if the thread has tap you can buy
[07:42:52] <toastyde1th> then you will be able to machine all the features in then tap/die the threads on
[07:43:30] <Quack> damn ok didn't realize i had that option
[07:43:33] <toastyde1th> but genreally speaking anything that is round and has threads is a lathe job
[07:43:46] <Quack> lathe is looking more and more legit
[07:43:47] <toastyde1th> this is again one of those "what are my constraints" things
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[07:43:56] <toastyde1th> some guys don't have space for anything but one machine, and they pick a desktop mill
[07:44:04] <toastyde1th> other guys have large garages and have multiple lathes and mills
[07:44:14] <toastyde1th> for that specific job, I would look to a lathe.
[07:44:57] <toastyde1th> if you're in the former camp, if you pick your specs carefully so that they can fit on your machine, you'll be fine
[07:45:10] <toastyde1th> a cheapy boring head from harbor freight can simulate a lot of what you can do on a lathe
[07:45:20] <Quack> boring head?
[07:45:26] <Quack> what do you mean......a lathe or a mill?
[07:45:38] <toastyde1th> a boring head is a tool that is used on a milling machine
[07:45:45] <toastyde1th> (and a lathe in some rare cases that we won't go into here)
[07:45:55] <toastyde1th> it's used to make very accurate hole or pin diameters
[07:46:13] <Quack> ahh ok
[07:46:21] <Quack> i'll be honest with you i want to make lights
[07:46:26] <toastyde1th> it sounds that way
[07:46:27] <Quack> like maglights but not the same form factor
[07:46:38] <Quack> and they won't always necessarily be cylindrical like a maglite
[07:47:26] <toastyde1th> that is a "both a mill and a lathe" type job
[07:47:40] <toastyde1th> maglites are made on lathes
[07:47:41] <Quack> now i'm finally getting somewhere
[07:47:59] <toastyde1th> because they've got a cylindrical profile
[07:48:20] <toastyde1th> BUT, you will have to jump between the two machines at different points
[07:48:56] <Quack> dangit
[07:49:11] <Quack> obviously if i made a square-ish light it wouldn't have threads on it
[07:49:14] <toastyde1th> for example, most of the smallish (hand-holdable) parts that come through the shops i've worked at have had between 5-10 steps
[07:49:21] <Quack> it would probably be secured with 3 screws
[07:49:23] <toastyde1th> actually it CAN have threads on it
[07:49:24] <Quack> instead of treads
[07:49:26] <toastyde1th> you put the threads in
[07:49:43] <toastyde1th> and then machine the excess stock off the bar to make it square or whatever other shape
[07:49:53] <Quack> ahh i see what you're sying
[07:49:57] <toastyde1th> that way when you torque the threads back down, the edges line up.
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[07:50:18] <toastyde1th> but obviously that is just one of many ways to do it
[07:51:34] <Quack> so i need both lathe and mill i see now
[07:52:17] <toastyde1th> this is qualified, but yes, for that kind of work you generally need both
[07:52:43] <Quack> if it were you would you use a lathe more or a mill more often?
[07:53:00] <toastyde1th> it's impossible to say, it's very nearly 50/50
[07:53:18] <toastyde1th> and there are other machines i use very often as well, such as horizontal bandsaws and grinders
[07:53:49] <toastyde1th> some things don't need anything but milling
[07:53:55] <toastyde1th> other things, nothing but the lathe
[07:54:01] <toastyde1th> sometimes I need a mill to make a tool for a lathe job
[07:54:08] <toastyde1th> sometimes you need a lathe to make a tool for a mill job
[07:54:20] <Quack> ugh
[07:54:37] <toastyde1th> SOME hobby folks make it their hobby to make one machine do it all
[07:54:49] <toastyde1th> but that is a hobby in its own right, and they are not concerned foremost with making the part
[07:55:09] <toastyde1th> if you can ONLY have one machine, i'd go with a mill
[07:55:36] <toastyde1th> but it is going to be very, very difficult, and may seem impossible to do many things without a lot of machining experience
[07:55:46] <toastyde1th> it may also actually be impossible to do many things you design
[07:56:45] <Quack> wow ok i see
[07:56:50] <Quack> i guess i should get two machines
[07:56:56] <toastyde1th> if you can, i would suggest it.
[07:57:03] <Quack> if you had to go big time with one and small on the other, which would it be
[07:57:15] <toastyde1th> i'd go big with the mill and small with the lathe
[07:57:24] <toastyde1th> a LOT more fits on a small lathe than fits on a small mill.
[07:58:18] <Quack> ahh ok great advice man
[07:58:27] <toastyde1th> a small lathe, 6x20
[07:58:32] <toastyde1th> think about what you want to machine
[07:58:41] <toastyde1th> is it bigger than 4-5" in diameter?
[07:58:45] <toastyde1th> is it longer than 10"?
[07:59:11] <toastyde1th> for almost everyone who is just starting out, the answer is no
[07:59:29] <toastyde1th> but on a milling machine, just the tools you use to hold your parts are going to take up an enormous amount of your working envelope
[07:59:55] <Quack> nope
[08:00:01] <Quack> small little handheld thing
[08:00:32] <Quack> ahh i see the vices and such take up real estate
[08:01:13] <toastyde1th> yep, and there are other tools you will likely want to put on the mill (rotary tables, collet holders) that take up even more space
[08:01:27] <toastyde1th> bits and pieces to align the parts on the table
[08:01:29] <toastyde1th> strap clamps
[08:01:52] <toastyde1th> lathes TEND to be straightforward - you put it in a chuck or a collet an go.
[08:01:53] <toastyde1th> *and
[08:02:34] <Quack> i think i need a lathe first
[08:02:48] <toastyde1th> go with your guty
[08:02:50] <toastyde1th> *gut
[08:04:12] <toastyde1th> having both is useful for another reason - you can flat out make a lot of lathe stuff on a mill.
[08:04:31] <toastyde1th> tool holders, chuck jaws
[08:04:33] <Valen> add roatary table to mill
[08:04:43] <Valen> call it live tooling ;->
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[08:05:16] <Quack> siiiiiiick
[08:05:21] <Quack> a good rotary table is pricey tho
[08:05:51] <toastyde1th> a rotary table is one of those things that, if you are trying to make maglites, is probably going to be necessary gear
[08:06:58] <Quack> well i'm not trying to make exactly a maglite
[08:07:04] <Quack> something more boxy lookin
[08:07:05] <toastyde1th> right
[08:07:08] <Quack> definitely not a cylinder
[08:07:32] <Quack> it's funny how i have an idea already
[08:07:33] <Valen> rotary table + CnC = win
[08:07:35] <Quack> and i don't even have the tools
[08:08:00] <toastyde1th> Quack, is this for a business
[08:08:36] <Quack> not really no
[08:08:38] <Quack> hahaha
[08:08:43] <Quack> could be one day but just for fun
[08:08:44] <toastyde1th> just checking
[08:08:55] <Quack> i'm tired of inferior products out there so i just want to make my own
[08:09:04] <Quack> i also want to complete some projects with friends
[08:09:14] <Quack> like make a go kart or electric bike
[08:09:19] <Quack> or other electric vehicle, etc
[08:10:24] <Quack> well thx a lot i'm super ired now
[08:10:26] <Quack> tired*
[08:10:37] <Quack> i gotta go visit someone soon so i gotta get up early
[08:10:50] <Quack> i'm gonna be looking for a lathe & mill now
[08:10:56] <Quack> i feel a lot closer
[08:10:59] <toastyde1th> good luck
[08:11:01] <Quack> you provided some other angles i didn't think about
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[08:15:18] <Loetmichel> re vom Zahnklempner... nu mit plastikkrone... der doc sollte sich mal die fingernägel schneiden, das Abstüzen hat weher getan als das Abschleifen der zähne... nächste woche gibts gold in die fresse ;-)
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[08:17:22] <Loetmichel> oh, sorry, amsg... I meant: re from dental doc... $me is now with plastic jacket oder 2 teeth... the doc should clip his fingernails, they hat hurt more than the actual drilling... next week: gold in mouth ;-)
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[08:37:18] <mhaberler> grandixximo: I do T3M6, run Test2.ngc, works fine, now where is the issue please
[08:37:42] <grandixximo> run Test.ngc
[08:37:46] <grandixximo> from line 20
[08:38:19] <grandixximo> you will get current tool 3 is wrong
[08:38:38] <mhaberler> aha
[08:38:43] <grandixximo> wich is not true
[08:39:19] <grandixximo> now run it again with no tool
[08:39:23] <grandixximo> T0M6
[08:39:48] <grandixximo> see how it skips the drilling part of the code
[08:42:02] <grandixximo> i was told that run from was like deleting everything you had above the line you chose
[08:42:49] <grandixximo> but it's not, because if i delete everything above line 20 i don't get the same result as i do by run from line 20
[08:43:49] <grandixximo> Ok?
[08:44:48] <grandixximo> i mean do you understand?
[08:45:51] <grandixximo> i mean it in a polite way, my english is not perfect
[08:50:22] <frysteev> why is insomnia such a pain?
[08:51:26] <grandixximo> I want to apologize for my first post being over complicated, simple is better i always forget, and i'm sorry the last post was edited later and you got to see the work in progress version which was wrong...
[08:55:06] <grandixximo> how is insomnia a pain? the pain is functional impairment while awake
[08:58:22] <mhaberler> grandixximo: I do t3m6, run Test.ngc from line 20, it completes with no tool and no error.
[08:58:29] <mhaberler> where is the error?
[08:58:50] <grandixximo> how?
[08:58:55] <grandixximo> it's impossible
[08:59:06] <mhaberler> obviously it is
[08:59:12] <grandixximo> i have the same setup as you
[08:59:19] <grandixximo> i have test it
[08:59:24] <grandixximo> countless time
[08:59:35] <mhaberler> ok, lets do this from the start. emc xxx.ini, then what
[08:59:40] <grandixximo> how do you run from line 20?
[09:00:18] <mhaberler> by pointing at line, right click, rfl
[09:00:31] <mhaberler> can we do this step-by-step please
[09:00:38] <mhaberler> emc xxx.ini then waht
[09:00:40] <grandixximo> Yes what you want to know
[09:00:59] <mhaberler> load Test2.ngc or Test.ngc?
[09:01:25] <grandixximo> load test.ngc
[09:01:45] <grandixximo> make zero
[09:01:46] <grandixximo> home
[09:01:46] <mhaberler> you mean Test.ngc, ok
[09:01:48] <grandixximo> make home
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[09:02:02] <mhaberler> ok
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[09:02:09] <mhaberler> no tool
[09:02:10] <grandixximo> then T3M6
[09:02:24] <mhaberler> ok
[09:02:29] <grandixximo> do refresh
[09:02:36] <mhaberler> why?
[09:02:48] <grandixximo> i do it
[09:02:58] <grandixximo> i'll try without
[09:03:07] <mhaberler> the preview window is empty after the refresh.
[09:03:32] <grandixximo> ye
[09:03:45] <grandixximo> now just start from line 20
[09:03:47] <mhaberler> also after reload
[09:04:16] <grandixximo> yes because you cannot start with tool 0
[09:04:18] <mhaberler> so "current tool 3 is wrong etc blabla"
[09:04:22] <grandixximo> tool 3
[09:04:25] <grandixximo> yes
[09:04:30] <mhaberler> BUT WE JUST LOADED TOOL §
[09:04:32] <mhaberler> 3
[09:04:35] <grandixximo> Yes
[09:04:43] <mhaberler> how can that be wrong then?
[09:04:53] <grandixximo> Because
[09:05:15] <grandixximo> The interpreter is executing the first call
[09:05:42] <mhaberler> the o101 in line 20?
[09:05:50] <grandixximo> no
[09:06:02] <mhaberler> what is "the first call"
[09:06:31] <mhaberler> the o101 in line 9?
[09:10:30] <grandixximo> it's executing line 9
[09:10:31] <grandixximo> wich needs to have no tool in order to start
[09:10:32] <grandixximo> in fact if you do T0M6 now
[09:10:32] <grandixximo> and you run from line 20
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[09:10:32] <grandixximo> you see how it does the call in line 9 which is the movement to X 98.964
[09:10:32] <grandixximo> I think you see now, do you/
[09:10:32] <grandixximo> ?
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[09:11:54] <grandixximo> yes
[09:12:14] <grandixximo> that is the first time i call o101
[09:12:27] <grandixximo> Line 9 is the first call
[09:12:43] <grandixximo> line 20 is the second call
[09:12:46] <mhaberler> ok
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[09:13:21] <mhaberler> let summarize: you expect if you do a rfl 20, it should not execute a toolchange in a line before that even if it is in a sub
[09:13:31] <mhaberler> is that what you are talking about?
[09:13:35] <grandixximo> yes
[09:13:38] <mhaberler> aha
[09:14:20] <grandixximo> the first call it's not in the sub the way i see it
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[09:14:46] <grandixximo> probably because i'm not a developer and i don't know how subs work
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[09:15:15] <mhaberler> is this the problem:
[09:15:34] <mhaberler> t3m6
[09:15:34] <mhaberler> (debug, #5400)
[09:15:34] <mhaberler> t4m6
[09:15:34] <mhaberler> m2
[09:16:14] <mhaberler> you ddo t0m6, rfl2, get 3 from debug then t4m6?
[09:16:40] <grandixximo> i don't understand
[09:17:13] <mhaberler> please try this program, run with no tool, then run from line 2. Is this what you are talking about?
[09:17:29] <grandixximo> line 20 or 2?
[09:18:05] <mhaberler> please forget your programs. Use the one I just posted
[09:18:10] <mhaberler> make it a file, and run it
[09:18:32] <grandixximo> oh
[09:18:34] <grandixximo> sorry
[09:18:40] <grandixximo> i understand
[09:18:44] <grandixximo> give me a second
[09:19:14] <mrsun> gah i want a new and bigger mill =)
[09:22:10] <grandixximo> no
[09:22:16] <grandixximo> there is no bug there
[09:22:27] <grandixximo> in your code
[09:22:45] <mhaberler> let me see
[09:23:05] <grandixximo> you have to add T0 M6 at the end
[09:23:24] <grandixximo> or you write it manually before restarting
[09:23:46] <grandixximo> then it's fine, it always display 0
[09:25:44] <mhaberler> I thought there is no bug
[09:30:17] <grandixximo> what you mean/
[09:30:19] <grandixximo> ?
[09:30:32] <grandixximo> it should work like that?
[09:31:01] <grandixximo> it's right that the subroutine execute calls above the one that i chose to run from
[09:31:06] <grandixximo> ???
[09:34:40] <grandixximo> you expect if you do a rfl 20, it should not execute a toolchange in a line before that even if it is in a sub i should not expect it/
[09:34:43] <grandixximo> ?
[09:35:58] <grandixximo> hello?
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[09:49:29] <mhaberler> I posted an example in the forum. this works fine for me. please modify it such that it shows the bug.
[09:50:53] <grandixximo> wait
[09:51:24] <grandixximo> am i wrong to expect it to skip the first sub call?
[09:52:24] <grandixximo> you need at least two files for the bug to show i think
[09:52:43] <grandixximo> if my whole code is in the same file the run from here works fine
[09:53:17] <grandixximo> the problem started when i created external subroutine files
[09:53:26] <mhaberler> aha
[09:53:43] <mhaberler> then please modify it
[09:54:09] <grandixximo> ok i'll make 2 simple files for you and i'll post them on the forum
[09:54:16] <mhaberler> good
[09:55:01] <mhaberler> you realize that you are saying "he problem started when i created external subroutine files" for the first time now?
[09:55:16] <mhaberler> how am I expected to know this?
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[10:24:36] <grandixximo> mhaberler: you are right i should have mention that the problem was not present if the subroutine was in the same file as the code, the fact is i just remembered myself
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[11:19:57] <mhaberler> grandixximo: ok, we have a case now - that is clearly in error and understandable for the rest of us
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[12:29:12] <Tom_itx> wow i'm glad you got that figured out
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[13:19:03] <mhaberler> Tom_itx: what I have figured out is: the lab prototype rs274 interpreter in emc2 was built for a single file where a line number uniquely identifies a source location - which can be or not be skipped; when oword subs were grafted on obviously nobody fully thought through the consequence that line numbers are unique within a file only, and wham, there you have it
[13:19:45] <Tom_itx> that would do it
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[13:21:35] <Tom_itx> recalling from memory but didn't he say it didn't fail until the 2nd one?
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[13:22:40] <mhaberler> the bugtracker files show it quite well
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[14:03:18] <mhaberler> tom_itx: you were right, the first one is skipped
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[17:09:09] <alex4nder> hey
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[17:31:01] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[17:55:52] <danimal_laptop> hi
[17:56:21] <alex4nder> how's it?
[17:59:03] <JT-Shop> ih
[18:00:33] <danimal_laptop> not too bad, u?
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[18:10:04] <IchGucksLive> Good evening all
[18:10:08] <danimal_laptop> hi
[18:10:37] <IchGucksLive> Dark and cold outside
[18:10:46] <danimal_laptop> sunny and warm here
[18:11:19] <syyl> cold and dark is a gute excuse to spend time in the shop
[18:11:21] <IchGucksLive> i made another tutorial on heekscad pocketing outward rouphing and finishing with CRC mod
[18:11:23] <syyl> *good
[18:12:03] <IchGucksLive> syyl: is your mastercam capable of 5axis toolpath
[18:12:13] <syyl> hu?
[18:12:16] <syyl> no mastercam here
[18:12:48] <syyl> but proengineer can do them, yes
[18:13:11] <syyl> i tried it in simulation, but i have no 5 axis machine at hand...
[18:14:54] <IchGucksLive> i also got this on ProeNC work
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[18:30:20] <IchGucksLive> ls
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[18:31:52] <IchGucksLive> i need to restart back in a munite
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[18:32:57] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: how's the trike coming?
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[18:33:17] <IchGucksLive> Back
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[18:38:11] <andypugh> Anyone wanting a cheap Swiss lathe project?
[18:38:12] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITIZEN-F-12-CNC-SLIDING-HEAD-AUTO-WB5-/140639069591
[18:38:27] <Danimal_garage> will you ship it for free?
[18:41:06] <JT-Shop> I'm almost finished with the ballista then the trike is next
[18:41:34] <JT-Shop> what were you saying about the grinder last night I got cut off
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[18:45:29] <Tom_itx> IchGucksLive, if it's a current version it should be
[18:46:04] <Tom_itx> even my old smartcam mentions axis over 3 but i've never used it beyond 3
[18:46:32] <Tom_itx> smartcam and mastercam were somewhat similar
[18:47:13] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: the ways were pretty sticky from sitting so long. i couldnt turn it on because it was on a pallate in the corner of his garage.
[18:48:12] <IchGucksLive> Tom_itx: thanks
[18:48:39] <Tom_itx> it would depend on the post really
[18:48:51] <Tom_itx> i don't know how mastercam supplies those
[18:49:00] <Tom_itx> with mine, i can custom make one if i need to
[18:49:25] <Tom_itx> i know back when i got mine that was one feature that shined over mastercam
[18:49:41] <JT-Shop> were you able to get a photo of it?
[18:50:37] <Danimal_garage> yea ill send them later
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[18:57:44] <JT-Shop> ok
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[19:31:18] <alex_joni> > uptime 14:29:33 up 15299 days, 12:29, load average: 1.21, 1.03, 1.33
[19:31:22] <alex_joni> heh
[19:31:45] <cradek> heh, doubt it
[19:32:15] <alex_joni> cradek: it's a pretty new NAS I installed
[19:32:21] <alex_joni> so it's about 1 week up :)
[19:33:34] <cradek> oh I see, it thinks it was booted at t=0
[19:34:05] <alex_joni> probably so
[19:34:12] <alex_joni> cat /proc/uptime
[19:34:12] <alex_joni> 1321878833.04 979856.06
[19:35:15] <mhaberler> hm, 41 years, must be a IBM 360 or so
[19:35:54] <alex_joni> cat /proc/cpuinfo | head -
[19:35:54] <alex_joni> Processor : ARM926EJ-S rev 1 (v5l)
[19:35:54] <alex_joni> BogoMIPS : 794.62
[19:35:59] <alex_joni> not quite ;)
[19:37:36] <mhaberler> does it heat the whole block? if not, must be a bug
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[19:56:05] <FinboySlick> Mesa MESA 5I25 pretty is pin-compatible with a parallel port, right?
[19:59:07] <cradek> the connector is the same
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[19:59:16] <cradek> the pin configuration is much more flexible
[19:59:37] <FinboySlick> cradek: Yeah, I sort of assumed they'd all be programable.
[20:01:01] <FinboySlick> cradek: I'm about to order one and just wondered if I'd need anything else for my parallel port driven machine.
[20:02:18] <cradek> if you order one for me too, I'll try it and let you know
[20:02:43] <cradek> (I've never seen one of these cards, but I think the idea is clever and awesome)
[20:03:30] <FinboySlick> cradek: Heh, I'm still waiting for my workbench to be delivered.
[20:04:17] <JT-Shop> FinboySlick: you do need a good parallel port cable I forget the standard
[20:05:06] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: Good point. I assume that with higher pulse rates, cable becomes pretty important.
[20:05:16] <JT-Shop> looking for the cable
[20:06:04] <cradek> pcw_home> we used the DB25 and parallel port pinout this so we can use the excellent and cheap IEEE1284 cables
[20:06:20] <JT-Shop> there you go
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[20:07:34] <FinboySlick> Hmm, I'm db25 at both ends.
[20:07:35] <JT-Shop> from Mesa it is DB25M-DB25M 6ft
[20:07:54] <fragalot> everyone knows that once you have a CNC machine, this is the only logical next step
[20:07:55] <fragalot> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Xm_lbNbZ4IOpJq-mdshHsG5fyeBL1lDq9V5SlBs-FkI?feat=directlink
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[20:09:18] <FinboySlick> fragalot: Hmmm, RGB laser rig?
[20:09:22] <fragalot> indeed
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[20:09:41] <FinboySlick> fragalot: You getting a picture yet? ;)
[20:09:58] <fragalot> Yep :P
[20:10:06] <fragalot> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CPI4Ood6K6R_tXdw9kiwIm5fyeBL1lDq9V5SlBs-FkI?feat=directlink
[20:10:17] <fragalot> square used to calibrate the alignment
[20:10:27] <fragalot> those 2 dots are spill from the mirrors :<
[20:10:59] <FinboySlick> I see the mattress, I know it's just a disco effect for your room of love.
[20:11:15] <fragalot> hehe, i just do all my electronics work in my room where i have my workbench :P
[20:11:28] <FinboySlick> Riiiight.
[20:11:33] <fragalot> this is for a live performance show
[20:11:43] <fragalot> outdoors
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[20:13:19] <FinboySlick> cradek: Where are you located?
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[20:18:56] <cradek> FinboySlick: Lincoln NE USA
[20:20:31] <FinboySlick> cradek: Is USPS good enough for you?
[20:20:45] <cradek> heh I wasn't serious, but if you want to send me a present, you bet USPS is fine
[20:21:10] <FinboySlick> Oh it'll cost you...
[20:23:21] <andypugh> FinboySlick: One of the configurations is pin-compatible with the Parport, other configurations aren't.
[20:24:10] <andypugh> The configurations are an order-time option. (You can change them, but it is like a BIOS flash and needs a DOS boot, rather than being done from inside the EMC2 driver)
[20:24:52] <FinboySlick> andypugh: That's fine. So I should specify that it has to drive steppers on specific pins?
[20:27:42] <andypugh> I am not sure. I think the options are parport-identical for the G540 etc, and a different one for the 7i67 and similar cards. There might be other options I am unaware of.
[20:28:20] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Hmmm, looks like I have lots of reading to do :P
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[20:38:02] <andypugh> FinboySlick: PCW ought to have more idea about 5i25 options than me.
[20:38:46] <FinboySlick> OK... Guess I ought to bug him then ;)
[20:39:20] <FinboySlick> andypugh: And thanks for that. I was likely rushing into a buy without knowing much of what I'm getting.
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[20:42:10] <FinboySlick> PCW: I'm looking into getting a 5I25 to drive a stepper machine. It already has all the electronics and expects a parallel port.
[20:42:19] <IchGucksLive> oh shit 3houres from recordmydesctop to mp4 youtube
[20:42:34] <IchGucksLive> but i finaly made it
[20:44:49] <IchGucksLive> and it is worth all the time from 50MB doen to 15MB same quality
[20:44:51] <PCW> FinboySlick do you have the pinout?
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[20:45:55] <IchGucksLive> git compiling ffmpeg is not the esyest way
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[20:46:33] <FinboySlick> PCW: Sure. Let me pull it up.
[20:49:29] <FinboySlick> PCW: Page 21 of this: http://www.syilamerica.com/product_docs/MachineDocs/X5/x5.pdf
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[20:50:32] <FinboySlick> Spindle dir is probably not quite what it says there though. It's a 0-10v pwm control for 'pulse'.
[20:50:57] <FinboySlick> But the 10v bit is handled by the breakout board, I just need to output the pwm.
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[20:55:33] <PCW> OK that looks straightforward
[20:55:35] <PCW> (I really need to Hack bfload so it works on the 5I25 so firmware can be updated running linux)
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[20:56:26] <FinboySlick> PCW: I don't mind booting off DOS to do a firmware upgrade, so long as it makes my machine run smooth.
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[20:57:12] <Guest51586> Can having too many logic functions added to a thread cause realtime errors?
[20:57:33] <cradek> probably not, it's more likely to be something else
[20:57:45] <cradek> check your dmesg for exact details about the timings that caused the error
[20:59:03] <Guest51586> Dmesg just says there was too much time between motion controller runs. No other info as to why
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[20:59:38] <cradek> can you pastebin the numbers?
[21:00:15] <PCW> FinboySlick so spindle pulse is PWM (and dir is PWM dir or just GPIO?)
[21:00:36] <FinboySlick> Yeah, I think it's 50khz.
[21:00:54] <A2Sheds> where are the configs for AXIS? I'd like to modify its layout
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[21:01:17] <Guest51586> http://pastebin.com/s4Vfm6bV
[21:01:31] <FinboySlick> PCW: I have all the right setup at home but it's out of reach from here to confirm.
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[21:03:09] <cradek> Guest51586: looks like fairly minor overruns, so you might be on to something.
[21:03:54] <Guest51586> I am using a pile of logic functions that are related to a THC implementation
[21:04:35] <cradek> you can find the elapsed run time of your servo thread in halcmd show. if it's near the period, you might want to slow servo down a bit.
[21:04:51] <cradek> you don't have a bunch of stuff in the thread before motion do you?
[21:05:05] <IchGucksLive> by for me Good Night 1
[21:05:08] <Guest51586> what do you mean "before motion"
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[21:06:59] <Guest51586> cradek: here is .hal file http://pastebin.com/BC1wAQkm
[21:07:26] <cradek> load it all up, then halcmd show
[21:07:33] <cradek> that's much easier to digest
[21:08:44] <FinboySlick> PCW: Just reread your question. pulse is pwm, I'm pretty sure 'dir' is just on/off, the spindle isn't reversible.
[21:09:17] <PCW> OK Ill leave it as a GPIO bit
[21:10:49] <Guest51586> With EMC(Axis) running I type "halcmd show" and it says "'rtapi' kernel module must be loaded"
[21:11:25] <andypugh> Guest51586: Your hm2_7i43.write and hm2_7i43 write are in the wrong order. You want the addf ..read before anything else, and the addf ...write as the last thing addf-ed
[21:11:27] <cradek> perhaps that halcmd doesn't match your running version?
[21:11:45] <cradek> check carefully if you have more than one version on your system.
[21:11:52] <Guest51586> I am running 2.5.0pre
[21:12:03] <Guest51586> I also have 2.4.7 on the system
[21:12:20] <cradek> run the matching halcmd
[21:12:24] <Guest51586> ah
[21:13:01] <andypugh> (I meant, of course, to type "read" one more time, and "write" one time fewer.
[21:15:24] <FinboySlick> PCW: So you tailor-configure every card? ;)
[21:15:38] <Guest51586> cradek: output from "halcmd show": http://pastebin.com/W3Svgu1F
[21:15:46] <Guest51586> Not sure what I should be looking for...
[21:16:20] <PCW> Well no but I dont mind adding Syilxx to the set of available configs
[21:17:45] <cradek> Guest51586: period 999936, max time 976010
[21:17:54] <cradek> I bet you are right and it's overrunning a bit sometimes
[21:18:00] <andypugh> Guest51586: 2095 onwards shows that your hm2_7i43 read and write are not optimally placed in the list. Read should be first, and write right at the very end.
[21:18:23] <cradek> can you drop the servo period to 2ms? unless you're doing rigid tapping or have a very fast machine, it shouldn't hurt you.
[21:18:39] <cradek> andypugh's advice is also correct
[21:19:26] <andypugh> When you have that much logic going on, it might be better to write a custom HAL component instead.
[21:19:42] <Guest51586> In terms of placement, is that just where I put them in the .hal file?
[21:20:01] <cradek> 673500 hm2_7i43.0.write.tmax
[21:20:24] <cradek> having the write before the motion controller probably causes your problem. write over EPP can take a long time, apparently
[21:20:39] <andypugh> Yes, though you can force them to insert in specific places using addf (function) (position). Let me find the docs.
[21:21:20] <PCW> FinboySlick x,y,z,a = axis 0,1,2,3?
[21:21:40] <andypugh> I have never seen the 7i43 write take that long, there isn't a huge amount of data.
[21:21:55] <cradek> andypugh: huh, man halcmd/addf doesn't show that, but I agree you can use a number ... somehow
[21:22:22] <cradek> Guest51586: perhaps you have an EPP cabling problem? do you have a short high quality cable?
[21:22:35] <FinboySlick> PCW: I'd say so but I can only confirm with my config file in about 1h once I get home. My emc2 box isn't remotely accessible and their docs just plain suck.
[21:23:06] <Guest51586> I have a fairly short (about 12") ribbon that I covered in foil and grounded. So, I would say a short-ish medium quality cable.
[21:23:31] <cradek> #
[21:23:33] <cradek> [ 437.106340] hm2/hm2_7i43.0: Watchdog has bit! (set the .has-bit pin to False to resume)
[21:24:27] <cradek> were these expected or do they happen on normal runs?
[21:24:51] <Guest51586> Not sure when that happened...
[21:25:04] <Guest51586> It could have been when i was power cycling machine
[21:25:33] <cradek> ok, you have some things to try, and you can go collect more careful data if you still have trouble
[21:25:49] <Guest51586> Yes. And thanks!!
[21:25:54] <cradek> welcome, hope you figure it out
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[21:26:41] <FinboySlick> PCW: Out of curiosity, what would the card actually do as far as EMC2 is concerned? Be fed step rates and generate them as required?
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[21:29:34] <PCW> Yes hardware step generation plus 11 bit PWM at 50 KHz
[21:29:56] <Guest51586> Looks like moving hm2_7i43 read first and hm2_7i43 read write at the end did the trick. Many thanks!
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[21:30:35] <cradek> yay
[21:30:57] <PCW> also a hardware encoder input if needed
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[21:31:39] <andypugh> Good, that means I can stop looking for where the [position] argument to addf is documented.
[21:31:57] <Guest51586> ...Beyond the forest they met Launcelot and Galahad, and there was much
[21:31:59] <Guest51586> rejoicing....
[21:32:39] <FinboySlick> PCW: Would there be much of an advantage to encoder input on a stepper machine besides knowing when the motor screwed up?
[21:33:04] <PCW> I was thinking encoder for spindle
[21:33:06] <Guest51586> FinboySlick: Makes a nice DRO!
[21:33:14] <Tom_itx> unless you had an encoder that matched the stepper steps probably not
[21:33:58] <FinboySlick> I can always dream of a servo conversion ;)
[21:34:17] <Tom_itx> i've been doing that for quite some time and it hasn't appeared yet
[21:34:27] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: Dream harder!
[21:35:14] <FinboySlick> That said, with the high-speed spindle and everything-linear, I don't think the steppers will be very strained. It's not like I need a lot of torque to move it.
[21:36:46] <A2Sheds> FinboySlick: the encoder would close the loop, so yes it would catch any missed steps or added movement to the motor
[21:38:16] <PCW> OK added an encoder to the second connector just in case you want a spindle encoder
[21:38:44] <Tom_itx> what card is this?
[21:40:25] <FinboySlick> PCW: Is it possible that the VFD uses an encoder to do its work already? There seems to be something akin to that on top of the spindle shaft.
[21:40:53] <PCW> Possibly
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[21:50:55] <PCW> FinboySlick freeby.mesanet.com/syil.zip is bit and pinout files, can you check the pinout file and see if it matches?
[21:50:55] <EmcPT> Good night to all
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[21:56:21] <FinboySlick> PCW: I get a 404.
[21:59:01] <andypugh> FinboySlick: wget it
[21:59:51] <FinboySlick> andypugh: That's exactly what I did.
[22:00:00] <andypugh> Ah, belay that, that doesn't work either
[22:00:23] <EmcPT> What programming language is EMC based on? (source code)?
[22:00:50] <PCW> sorry syil1.zip
[22:00:51] <andypugh> Whatever the developer felt like using. Unfortunately.
[22:00:59] <cradek> yes, all of them
[22:01:13] <andypugh> No APL as far as I know.
[22:01:15] <cradek> thankfully the last bit of intercal has been rewritten in PL/1 though
[22:01:57] <andypugh> It's mainly C, C++ and Python. Bits of Tcl too.
[22:02:16] <EmcPT> I would very much like to have some cycles implemented (turning cycles)
[22:02:24] <andypugh> I am not aware of any Fortran
[22:02:27] <cradek> you're not the only one
[22:02:28] <PCW> bbl lunch!
[22:02:38] <FinboySlick> Back in a bit.
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[22:02:56] <andypugh> EmcPT there is a halfway house, have a look at ngcgui
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[22:03:33] <EmcPT> FinboySlick: I wait a while
[22:04:15] <andypugh> Or, what I use: http://www.bodgesoc.org/lathe/lathe.html
[22:05:05] <andypugh> But ngcgui is a lot more flexible, and I intend to re-write my system as a set of tabs in GladeVCP
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[22:08:32] <EmcPT> But it seams that if you load a Gcode with a G71 cycle on it, EMC will not recognize it.
[22:09:16] <skunkKandT> servos are cool.. Really big ones too
[22:09:20] <EmcPT> On my setup the user does not change almost no code on the machine, only checks the simulation and runs the machine.
[22:09:41] <skunkKandT> that may seem random - but I forgot I was reading back to an earlier chat...
[22:10:37] <andypugh> EmcPT: No, we have no G71. Even I have considered having a go at it.
[22:11:33] <EmcPT> Can I help implement that? What skill do I need?
[22:11:55] <EmcPT> I know a bit of C++
[22:12:15] <EmcPT> And I know how the cycle works as I work with Fanuc machines
[22:12:31] <EmcPT> and I can test, for that reason
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[22:15:59] <andypugh> I think you might need to add a new O-word to define the profile-definition block (or possibly just use sub/endsub) and you might need to instantiate a new interpreter to parse the G-code, then it is a case of "waterlining' the profile into roughing passes, and putting those moves into the queue.
[22:19:22] <EmcPT> As I do not know the source code, and I hope that I am not asking a stupid question, the part of the code that "reads" the Gcode, and where the new feature would be added was wroten in what language?
[22:21:43] <andypugh> G76 is similar, in some ways, that is coded around line 4420 here: http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=emc2.git;a=blob;f=src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc;h=0b1abd1c55ad6c13a1388e4dc24418a74dee61ab;hb=16e31d4db2d43d5ffaea4397150cf9a763999e5f
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[22:34:24] <EmcPT> Good... in that way I can try some code. Are for example the STRAIGHT_TRAVERSE or STRAIGHT_FEED or START_SPEED_FEED_SYNCH the result of the "exploded" cycle? Calling this adds those movements in a queue?
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[22:46:46] <andypugh> I am not sure. Possibly they are macros.
[22:47:34] <EmcPT> Thank you once again, must leave now.
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[23:21:13] <skunkKandT> heh - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7WNyR042Gg
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[23:26:32] <JT-Shop> heh
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[23:36:23] <skunkKandT> well - the k&t is as coolant proof as it ever was.. (siliconed some shields and put some back on)
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[23:37:31] <JT-Shop> cool, even with doors on the CHNC and the 308 I get sprayed every once and a while
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[23:38:22] <skunkKandT> heh - I think the whole room must have been wet when the machine was running
[23:38:50] <skunkKandT> the spindle had 5 huge nozzles
[23:38:57] <skunkKandT> (we have never used)
[23:41:56] <JT-Shop> the CHNC had 3 huge 1/2" nozzles which I took off and replaced with the smaller loc line and flat nozzles
[23:41:57] <danimal_laptop> i've gotten it from the hnc
[23:42:13] <JT-Shop> Dan, you get your mill inside yet?
[23:42:31] <Tom_itx> hell he's got it cleaned up already
[23:42:40] <danimal_laptop> yep
[23:42:42] <Tom_itx> err was that the lathe?
[23:42:48] <Tom_itx> i forgot what you got
[23:42:48] <danimal_laptop> got the old controller out of it too
[23:42:51] <danimal_laptop> mill
[23:43:08] <JT-Shop> be making chips tomorrow then
[23:43:11] <danimal_laptop> i just got the old mill hooked back up again
[23:43:14] <danimal_laptop> ha
[23:43:18] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i fully expect it
[23:43:21] <danimal_laptop> a few weeks maybe
[23:43:45] <danimal_laptop> i got the parts
[23:43:52] <danimal_laptop> should be fairly easy
[23:43:59] <danimal_laptop> knock on wood
[23:44:01] <Tom_itx> i wish i had a little niche milling corner i could supply
[23:44:21] <Tom_itx> i'd love to move out all the furniture and crap and fill it with machinery
[23:44:39] <danimal_laptop> lol
[23:44:50] <danimal_laptop> i thought about the diningroom...
[23:45:03] <danimal_laptop> but then i'd have to get rid of the pool table
[23:45:05] <Tom_itx> i'm afraid the mill might end up in the basement though
[23:45:35] <Tom_itx> oop dinner
[23:45:36] <danimal_laptop> ha
[23:46:14] <danimal_laptop> JT-Shop: the new mill has a dc spindle
[23:46:28] <JT-Shop> what rpm?
[23:46:45] <danimal_laptop> i think 3450 for the motor
[23:47:00] <danimal_laptop> i dont know what the spindle drive is capable of
[23:47:01] <skunkKandT> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/robots-automation/pc-based-robot-control-235916/#post1694012
[23:47:04] <JT-Shop> belt drive spindle?
[23:47:07] <danimal_laptop> yes
[23:47:15] <danimal_laptop> the motor has a tach on it
[23:47:38] <JT-Shop> my old BP can do 4500 but you can't stand to be in the room with it at that speed
[23:47:52] <danimal_laptop> really?
[23:47:57] <danimal_laptop> that loud?
[23:48:06] <JT-Shop> I'm picky
[23:48:10] <danimal_laptop> i run my shizuoka at 6000
[23:48:21] <danimal_laptop> i'll be running the new mill at 6k too
[23:48:32] <JT-Shop> both the CHNC and the 308 have 6k spindles
[23:48:40] <danimal_laptop> nice
[23:48:43] <danimal_laptop> 6k is decent
[23:48:51] <skunkKandT> k&t maxes out at 3000rpm.. but it is scary sounding
[23:49:05] <skunkKandT> (ac motor running around 4000rpm)
[23:49:30] <JT-Shop> the variable speed sheaves I think makes most of the noise on the BP even though I have replaced every wear part
[23:49:35] <danimal_laptop> ah
[23:49:40] <danimal_laptop> i got rid of those
[23:49:50] <danimal_laptop> i just have v belt pullies
[23:50:07] <danimal_laptop> fixed speed, i control it with the vfd
[23:50:50] <JT-Shop> I have a GS2 vfd on the BP that I can control from EMC when I convert it
[23:51:29] <danimal_laptop> cool
[23:51:50] <danimal_laptop> i got one for the new mill but i got it before i had the mill thinking it was ac
[23:51:55] <danimal_laptop> so now i dont need it
[23:52:08] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,24/id,4542/limit,6/limitstart,18/lang,english/#15004
[23:57:45] <andypugh> Yeah, I saw that, and thought "That needs somebody clever to look at it'
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[23:58:14] <andypugh> I wonder what happens if you switch trivkins to "KINEMATICS_BOTH" ?
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[23:58:58] <JT-Shop> I don't even know what that does :/
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[23:59:12] <andypugh> No, it's a bit of a mystery to me
[23:59:17] <JT-Shop> can you run it in sim?
[23:59:27] <andypugh> I am not sure.
[23:59:36] <andypugh> Does hal_input work in sim?
[23:59:53] <JT-Shop> odd that the keyboard jogs fine but the joystick or joypad does not