#emc | Logs for 2011-10-25

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[00:01:11] <A2Sheds> BIOS settings and properly formatting
[00:02:49] <A2Sheds> http://www.earth.li/~noodles/blog/2011/06/building-a-freedos-bootable-us.html this looks correct as well
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[00:07:52] <JT-Shop> thanks
[00:08:01] * JT-Shop is reading all of it...
[00:11:20] <Danimal_garage> A2Sheds: haha a bit overkill, my power supply couldnt handle that!
[00:11:40] <Danimal_garage> i might just get a 150quart cooler
[00:11:50] <Danimal_garage> the drain is threaded, that'll be handy
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[00:12:48] <JT-Shop> Dan I've put bulkhead fittings in coolers for making beer...
[00:13:30] <Danimal_garage> i was considering trying to bond in another fitting for the return line from the pump
[00:13:40] <Danimal_garage> it has to be plastic though
[00:13:49] <Danimal_garage> acid and metal = no bueno
[00:14:03] <JT-Shop> hmmm you got a lathe?
[00:14:08] <Danimal_garage> lol
[00:14:17] <Danimal_garage> i'm more concerned about the bonding
[00:14:27] <Danimal_garage> i do NOT want an acid spill
[00:15:03] <JT-Shop> this is a rotating racking arm I make http://gnipsel.com/beer/equipment/Rotating%20Racking%20Arm.htm
[00:15:27] <JT-Shop> O-Ring won't work?
[00:15:45] <Danimal_garage> oh sweet
[00:15:49] <Danimal_garage> good idea
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[00:16:00] <JT-Shop> thanks
[00:16:10] <Danimal_garage> i could make gaskets out of inner tube rubber too
[00:16:16] <Danimal_garage> didn't think of that
[00:17:18] <Danimal_garage> the only other thing i gotta figure out is how to connect the cathode to the power supply while still being able to fully close the lid
[00:17:32] <Danimal_garage> i have to put some sort of conduit through the cooler i think
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[00:17:44] <Danimal_garage> maybe similar to your design
[00:17:53] <JT-Shop> a through the wall fitting
[00:18:03] <Danimal_garage> have the wire come out above the acid level
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[00:18:58] <JT-Shop> is it a lead wire too?
[00:19:12] <Valen> lab sink perhaps?also what you doing with acid?
[00:19:29] <Danimal_garage> i'd prefer lead
[00:19:41] <Danimal_garage> anodizing
[00:20:11] <JT-Shop> the acid works faster than leather beetles I think
[00:20:20] <Danimal_garage> lol
[00:20:43] <Valen> ahh
[00:20:52] <Valen> we just use cheap buckets ;->
[00:20:57] <Danimal_garage> i'm gunna find a 150oz cooler, think that'll be best
[00:21:07] <Danimal_garage> 150 quart*
[00:21:18] <Danimal_garage> Valen: not enough capacity
[00:21:18] <JT-Shop> I was wondering about the units :)
[00:21:18] <Valen> I thaught you outsourced yout anodising?
[00:21:37] <Danimal_garage> Valen: only a couple times, i usually do it myself
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[00:23:07] <JT-Shop> http://transistor-man.com/SCARA_Arm.html
[00:25:06] <Danimal_garage> very cool
[00:25:20] <JT-Shop> latest member on the forum
[00:26:36] <Danimal_garage> i'm not even on the forum
[00:26:56] <JT-Shop> no wonder I never see you over there :)
[00:27:28] <JT-Shop> time for breakfast
[00:28:04] <Danimal_garage> ohh breakfast for dinner?
[00:28:06] <Danimal_garage> my fav
[00:28:14] <Danimal_garage> with bloody marrys?
[00:28:21] <Danimal_garage> marys*
[00:28:26] <JT-Shop> with a glass of red
[00:28:32] <Danimal_garage> eh
[00:28:44] <Danimal_garage> as long as there's sausages i guess
[00:28:48] <JT-Shop> see you later\
[00:28:56] <Danimal_garage> seeya
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[01:01:15] <FinboySlick> Sausages are good!
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[01:15:58] <elmo40> Loetmichel: thanks. no way to vote for something else other then KDE? I don't see a list of options.
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[02:21:46] <Danimal_garage> so i got a 100quart cooler
[02:21:56] <Danimal_garage> should be perfect for anodizing
[02:22:31] <FinboySlick> don't leave the beers in it though.
[02:22:52] <Danimal_garage> ha
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[02:24:23] <Danimal_garage> i should be able to tripple my capacity
[02:25:44] <Danimal_garage> which is probably about the safe limit of my power supply anyways
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[02:44:55] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXiOQCRiSp0 trying to avoid this scene in the shop?
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[03:03:45] <Tom_L> anyone ever hear of these guys or used their stuff? http://www.excitron.com/
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[03:04:07] <Tom_itx> ?
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[03:14:42] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I think I saw their stuff at a trade show, but that's all I know.
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[03:24:12] <Jymmm> How many cars tires could you inflate to 35PSI using a 40lb nitrogen tank?
[03:28:23] <Tom_itx> 4
[03:28:34] <Jymmm> that's it?
[03:28:38] <Tom_itx> cause that's all i got
[03:28:41] <Tom_itx> :)
[03:28:54] <Jymmm> But would it fill 4 tires?
[03:29:04] <Tom_itx> a 2000psi tank?
[03:29:10] <Tom_itx> i'd hope to heck yes
[03:29:17] <Jymmm> Well, with no regulator on it, yeah =)
[03:29:38] <Jymmm> But were talking volume in a tire
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[03:30:40] <Tom_itx> at ~175 psi i can fill about 2 with my freon bottle
[03:31:01] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: how big is the freon bottle?
[03:31:19] * Tom_itx holds his hand up off the floor a ways
[03:31:40] <Tom_itx> maybe 20lb
[03:31:54] * Jymmm removes the regulator from the nitrogen tank and aims at Tom_itx
[03:32:28] * Jymmm eyes the bb laying on the bench
[03:32:54] <Jymmm> bb + 2000psi + Tom_itx = "You shot your eye out kid!"
[03:41:03] <Jymmm> Hmmm, never thought about using nitrogen to run air tools.
[03:42:07] <Tom_itx> all the race teams do
[03:42:25] <Tom_itx> as do they use it for tires
[03:42:42] <Jymmm> but I don't think they use a 40lb tank =)
[03:42:53] <Tom_itx> not likely
[03:43:30] <Jymmm> I really dont have any airtool, so never thought about it.
[03:43:43] <Jymmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/dual-chuck-tire-inflator-68272.html
[03:43:54] <Jymmm> I want to add that to my tank though
[03:45:11] <Jymmm> Then I can get rid of this 1 gal air compressor + nail gun
[03:47:04] <Tom_itx> air tools use alot of air
[03:47:51] <Jymmm> Yeah, I just needed the nail/brad gun + a way to inflate tires. But I already have he nitrogen tan and a cheap regulator
[03:48:02] <Jymmm> I dont need the nailer anymore.
[03:48:11] <Tom_itx> as cheap as that is, it would likely start leaking right away
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[03:48:49] <Jymmm> Yeah, but for $6 if it works once in a while till I can find a good one should be ok I guess.
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[03:52:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: got to be better than one of these =) http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/pts/2654963983.html
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[04:35:48] <vitaeear> hi , i fall from my bed.
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[04:59:49] * Valen thinks nitrogen fills for tyres are 90% a way for tire shops to get some more $ out of people
[05:00:31] <Jymmm> Valen: I already have a 40lb nitrogen tank. I want to get rid of the 1gal compressor I have
[05:00:54] <Valen> thats all well and good then ;->
[05:01:30] <Jymmm> I just need a tire inflator, already have a spare coiled hose
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[05:35:16] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Hola!
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[05:44:40] <alex_joni> Jymmm: auto rejoin
[05:44:44] <alex_joni> I think he's travelling
[05:45:03] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Yeah, was jsut taking a chance =)
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[05:45:20] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[07:26:56] <Turtl3boi> hello
[07:27:31] <Turtl3boi> can anyone tell me if there're other channels around for people wanting to get into machining and possibly buy a mill or a CNC mill ?
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[07:30:29] <Turtl3boi> hi vladimirek
[07:30:35] <Turtl3boi> do you own a CNC mill?
[07:35:26] <awallin_> cnczone is pretty popular (but that's a forum, not sure if they have a chat)
[07:35:53] <Turtl3boi> yeah i was looking for a chat, guess this will have to be it
[07:36:33] <Turtl3boi> so which CNC do you own awallin?
[07:37:12] <awallin_> with a friend we converted a BF20, now he has a chinese small VMC. I have a long overdue lathe project also..
[07:39:32] <Turtl3boi> is a VMC kind of like a big one
[07:39:39] <Turtl3boi> like a 2+ HP motor
[07:39:56] <Turtl3boi> kind of like the tormach 1100
[07:40:13] <awallin_> it was the biggest machine that fits in the elevator. weight limit 2000kg or smthn. bigger than a tormach probably
[07:41:29] <Turtl3boi> holy crap, and how much did that one cost?
[07:41:39] <awallin_> something like this http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/products/6814351/Vertical_Machining_Center_CNC_Milling_Machine.html
[07:42:03] <awallin_> they start at about 15k from the factory. then add shipping and taxes and it's closer to 20k
[07:42:18] <Turtl3boi> geeeez
[07:42:24] <Turtl3boi> i was hoping to spend a lot less
[07:42:34] <Turtl3boi> but i guess i was hoping to be able to do steel too
[07:44:11] <Turtl3boi> you know i saw this tormach 770 machine and it looked pretty powerful
[07:47:46] <Turtl3boi> alright man, what do you recommend i get to start off?
[07:48:06] <Turtl3boi> let's just say i want to get my feet wet first and just do aluminum and plastics
[07:48:19] <Turtl3boi> and mostly small stuff too, nothing bigger than 6" x 6"
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[09:44:56] <|n0b0dy|> If I thump a limit switch should it activate or is that too sensitive?
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[09:46:04] <|n0b0dy|> i got a couple false limits while cutting, and it stopped the cut...
[09:47:08] <archivist> define thump, they should not be vibration sensitive
[09:51:45] <|n0b0dy|> like phyiscally thumping them
[09:52:16] <archivist> should be well bolted to machine too
[09:53:10] <|n0b0dy|> There's no telling how old they are... they're NO-NC contact switches...
[09:53:13] <archivist> and if thump includes the actuator button, rethink what you are doing and the protection of the switches from harm
[09:53:46] <|n0b0dy|> actuator button? nah just thumping the switch housing...
[09:53:47] <archivist> they could have dirty contacts
[09:54:12] <elmo40> cheap switches.
[09:54:13] <|n0b0dy|> it's almost like switch debounce...
[09:54:33] <|n0b0dy|> Okay
[09:55:01] <anonimasu> your switches should trigger only if the machine traverses them
[09:56:11] <|n0b0dy|> Okay
[09:56:23] <anonimasu> never ever in any other condition.
[10:06:59] <elmo40> a good switch will take abuse and still not trigger. sounds like something is loose in the switch for it to make a signal if being hit.
[10:10:36] <jthornton> check for loose connections when you put a new switch in...
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[13:43:12] <JT-Shop> well booting to FreeDOS was simple enough using UNetbootin
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[13:44:07] <Tom_itx> hurah
[13:45:05] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: you got the link?
[13:45:26] <Tom_itx> from yesterday?
[13:45:40] <Tom_itx> i didn't mark it but i think i saw it in passing
[13:45:48] <JT-Shop> I can't remember back that far in history
[13:45:56] <JT-Shop> http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/unetbootin/wiki/guide
[13:46:08] <Tom_itx> maybe i missed that one
[13:46:11] * JT-Shop heads for the shower
[13:46:34] <JT-Shop> that is what I used to make the USB boot drive
[13:46:50] <Tom_itx> then copy the rest afterward?
[13:47:08] <JT-Shop> it does the whole thing for you
[13:47:26] <JT-Shop> d'load and run and pick the OS and the target
[13:47:50] <Tom_itx> ok
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[14:29:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Yes, unnetbootin does all that. I like http://sysresccd.org for that as it has freedos and oh so much more
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[14:32:14] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[14:33:20] <Tom_itx> had that one
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[14:33:45] <JT-Shop> more what?
[14:33:57] <Tom_itx> more
[14:34:27] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: antivirus, boot mamanger, data recovery, PXE serve, partition managerr, etc
[14:34:38] <Jymmm> sshd
[14:35:06] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: more cow bells
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[15:06:46] <JT-Shop> but I don't need all that to flash a card and the cow bells are too loud
[15:07:10] <jdhNC> no class?
[15:07:12] <jdhNC> <urk>
[15:10:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: but the same stick can be used to recovery when that hdd fails
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[15:12:04] <JT-Shop> any hdd or just that one?
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[15:55:17] <Danimal_garage> morning
[15:55:29] <Danimal_garage> robh__: are you around?
[15:58:16] <Danimal_garage> do you think 25 gallons would be enough to anodize about 3 square feet of 7075?
[15:58:55] <Danimal_garage> i know it'll fit, i'm curious if it would be enough liquid to not get way too hot
[15:59:22] <Danimal_garage> i signed up for the yahoo group, but the owner hasn't approved me yet
[15:59:31] <jdhNC> can you anodize in an aluminum pot
[15:59:42] <Danimal_garage> maybe once
[16:00:24] <Danimal_garage> i guess you could
[16:00:37] <Danimal_garage> it would be entirely the cathode
[16:00:53] <Danimal_garage> just have to isolate your rack from the pot
[16:01:16] <jdhNC> is the anodized layer conductive?
[16:01:38] <Danimal_garage> no
[16:02:23] <JT-Shop> Dan, Rob may still be at work or in transit
[16:02:49] <Danimal_garage> rats
[16:02:59] <JT-Shop> want me to look in my book?
[16:03:08] <jdhNC> home anodizing is one of many things in my 5 year (or now 10 year) plan.
[16:03:24] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: is it a caswell book?
[16:03:44] <JT-Shop> no
[16:03:58] <Danimal_garage> yea, if you don't mind
[16:04:11] <Danimal_garage> i havent found much on that
[16:07:31] <JT-Shop> so far it says if the acid tank is twice the size of the other tanks you don't have near the problem with temperature rise
[16:08:29] <Danimal_garage> i don't have other tanks lol
[16:09:51] <A2Sheds> what about using a low cost cooling system?
[16:10:41] <Danimal_garage> if there was such a thing, that would be great
[16:10:49] <JT-Shop> you join yahoo anodizing101?
[16:11:00] <Danimal_garage> i did but they havent approved me yet
[16:11:07] <Danimal_garage> so i cant read or post
[16:12:35] <robh__> evning all
[16:12:38] <JT-Shop> lol, here he says keep all the tanks the same size
[16:12:44] <JT-Shop> and there Rob is
[16:12:51] <Danimal_garage> hi robh__
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[16:13:12] <robh__> only thing matters is cathode to part area match or exceeeds the rule (cant rembe the numbers of head, but its in johns book)
[16:13:41] <A2Sheds> how much power are you consuming with your tank?
[16:13:43] <Danimal_garage> so bigger cathodes = less heat?
[16:14:03] <Danimal_garage> i have 8 square feet of lead coming for the cathodes
[16:14:14] <robh__> no u need a a surface area of cathode to the part surface area
[16:14:21] <Danimal_garage> i'm hoping to be able to do about 3 square feet of parts at a time
[16:14:40] <robh__> just ammoutn of acid determins how much heat u can disipate, like A2Sheds said if u know amps u can work out the watts
[16:15:08] <Danimal_garage> well i have 15v, so the max i can do is 12asf
[16:15:09] <robh__> u going for black?
[16:15:20] <Danimal_garage> i have 12 colors, but black is one, yes
[16:15:45] <Danimal_garage> i was going for 20% acid concentration
[16:16:04] <Danimal_garage> so that should give me 12asf at 15v i believe
[16:16:24] <Danimal_garage> i have 10% concentration now and i get 6asf
[16:17:04] <robh__> here u go on the titration
[16:17:05] <robh__> http://pastebin.com/PQjbKPuT
[16:18:10] <robh__> u need 15% i think it is as we said last time for 12amp
[16:19:08] <robh__> do you have a hydrometer as its a quick way to check new acid ?
[16:19:09] <Danimal_garage> http://www.focuser.com/anodize.html
[16:19:33] <Danimal_garage> that guy is using the same power supply i have
[16:19:49] <A2Sheds> you can build a heat exchanger out of Ti tubing and modify small window type AC unit to cool it
[16:19:51] <Danimal_garage> hydrometer? i have a ph meter, thats about it
[16:19:52] <JT-Shop> cathode to part ratio of at least 1:1
[16:20:19] <JT-Shop> from the "book"
[16:20:23] <robh__> aah
[16:20:40] <robh__> yea mine well exceeeds that for most jobs but it does not matter as long as u are not under it
[16:20:54] <Danimal_garage> i have the 50a version
[16:20:59] <Danimal_garage> same power supply other than that
[16:21:37] <robh__> hydrometer - http://www.simplynatural.org.uk/acatalog/Hydrometer-500.jpg
[16:22:09] <JT-Shop> it does say only aluminum or titanium can be in the acid tank in all caps and bold :)
[16:22:13] <Danimal_garage> basically i picked up a 25 gallon tank.... i'm wondering now if it's too small to do what i want without running into heat problems (12asf, 3 square feet )
[16:22:54] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i've been running lead cathodes for a couple years now
[16:24:01] <robh__> 1.18 is SG for acid but if its used it be abit off with a hydromiter due to alli etc in it
[16:24:33] <robh__> yea i used to use a 25g water tank, but u hit its limits quite fast with runs
[16:24:55] <Danimal_garage> thats what i was wondering
[16:24:59] <robh__> the 50 i have now seems just about right, but i wish it was bigger still lol, no matter how big u make your line u will find something bigger to do
[16:25:05] <Danimal_garage> haha
[16:25:19] <Danimal_garage> how much surface area were you doing in the 25 gallon tank?
[16:26:14] <robh__> no idea but was doing 100 part run but it was mostly clear at the time
[16:26:32] <robh__> but i could not get my TI racks in i picked up so kinda pushed the need for deeper tanks etc
[16:26:45] <Danimal_garage> you don't recall your current?
[16:26:59] <robh__> rest of my tanks are Stainless steel 304 folded and welded, then insulated
[16:28:09] <robh__> no i dont , id try it and see if u have stuff already,
[16:28:11] <robh__> go from there
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[16:28:52] <robh__> here it is around 12c or so now so no problems keeping things cool, keeping things hot is more problem
[16:28:59] <Danimal_garage> well i can still return the tank, but if i try it, i cant
[16:29:06] <robh__> aah
[16:29:14] <robh__> do u have enuth stuff to make a bigger tank?
[16:29:29] <Danimal_garage> well i'm using a cooler lol
[16:29:43] <Danimal_garage> but i picked up a 100 quart cooler (25 gallons) last night
[16:29:53] <JT-Shop> here he says the upper limit for cathode to part surface area is 1:3
[16:29:55] <Danimal_garage> now i'm thinking i should have gone with the 150 quart
[16:30:20] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: yea, i've always read on the caswell site to go 1:3
[16:30:57] <Danimal_garage> i got enough lead to go 1:3, almost
[16:32:30] <robh__> if its something u got to do alot of or do it quite offten id go pick up something bigger now and save the problems changing over later
[16:33:13] <Danimal_garage> yea you're right
[16:33:25] <robh__> some places that do Koi stuff, have some good tanks right size
[16:33:33] <robh__> good and strong too
[16:33:45] <Danimal_garage> hmm
[16:33:56] <robh__> the tanks they use for growing them in etc
[16:34:09] <Danimal_garage> the acid is going to rape my wallet
[16:34:25] <robh__> bat acid
[16:34:31] <Danimal_garage> yea i know
[16:34:34] <Danimal_garage> still not cheap
[16:34:53] <robh__> last time ihad some was 20 for 25l
[16:34:57] <Danimal_garage> i'd have to buy 20 gallons
[16:35:15] <Danimal_garage> i think it was $45 for 5 gallons last time i got some
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[16:39:55] <robh__> should't b too long getting that cost back tho i know its pain at first
[16:44:56] <JT-Shop> what I gather from reading the book a few times if you can fit the parts in the tank and you have enough cathode and you can keep it cool your good to go in the acid tank
[16:46:06] <Danimal_garage> the keeping cool is the issue
[16:46:18] <Danimal_garage> i know the rest.... but chillers are expensive
[16:51:09] <robh__> and a pain to find
[16:51:19] <robh__> unless find some on ebay from moulding shops for mould tool chilling
[16:51:24] <JT-Shop> get an old water fountain and some aluminum tubing and pump
[16:51:35] <robh__> acid will eat the alli tube after a while ;)
[16:51:51] <JT-Shop> yep
[16:52:19] <jdhNC> how about lots of poly tube, a cooler full of ice water and a pump
[16:52:26] <JT-Shop> I guess you could use poly tubing but the heat transfer would be much slower
[16:53:16] <robh__> ye
[16:53:41] <robh__> Ti would be better dont need much of it realy andthen join to it with Stainless or poly
[16:54:06] <jdhNC> Ti tubing sounds painfully expensive
[16:54:25] <robh__> depends on expensive, hobby wise or what
[16:54:34] <robh__> dont need best grade
[16:55:13] <robh__> rohn sells Ti Tube, http://www.focuser.com/anodize.html
[16:55:17] <JT-Shop> $200 for 6' of 1/4" od Ti
[16:55:18] <robh__> $200
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[16:58:54] <jdhNC> 120798710740
[16:59:17] <jdhNC> http://www.ebay.com/itm/120798710740 14 x 40" for $70
[16:59:56] <A2Sheds> ships from Latvia!
[17:00:21] <robh__> prob be all sorts of shapes when u get it
[17:00:49] <robh__> find someone getting rid or selling a 1000l ibc container no more problems :)
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[17:01:36] <A2Sheds> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Titanium-Coil-HC1425-/160580309892?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2563551384
[17:02:00] <IchGucksLive> Hi all from the cold Germany
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[17:02:17] <robh__> hi from cold & Rainy UK
[17:02:24] <jdhNC> it's cold here too
[17:02:33] <syyl> arent the uk always rainy? ;)
[17:02:44] <robh__> seems like it yea
[17:02:57] <JT-Shop> 23c here and sunny
[17:03:13] <jdhNC> 22c here and sunny... like I siad...cold.
[17:04:02] <syyl> here...its dark
[17:04:36] <IchGucksLive> folks the number of the axis that i see on screen is this this hal pin ? halui.axis.n.pos-feedback (float, out)
[17:04:45] <JT-Shop> jdhNC: you must be cold natured... 23c is shorts weather for me
[17:05:07] <JT-Shop> only if you don't have any offsets in effect
[17:05:15] <IchGucksLive> here its 6Deg Celsius
[17:05:16] * JT-Shop wanders to town
[17:05:25] <JT-Shop> now that is cool
[17:06:39] <robh__> axis.N.motor-pos-fb
[17:07:01] <IchGucksLive> there are 3 hal pins for the position and as i have some problemes with the eng language for me it is hard to understand witch is witch
[17:07:57] <IchGucksLive> robh__: thats not in the hal spezified
[17:08:06] <IchGucksLive> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui_halui.html#r1_2_3
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[17:08:52] <IchGucksLive> what is command is this user spesified like G55 coordinate system coordinates
[17:09:09] <IchGucksLive> halui.axis.n.pos-commanded (float, out) - Commanded axis position in machine coordinates
[17:11:54] <robh__> sorry didt see the halui ref
[17:12:01] <robh__> yes its - halui.axis.n.pos-feedback
[17:12:04] <robh__> what are you doing?
[17:13:18] <IchGucksLive> programming the pendant
[17:15:07] <robh__> to show current position
[17:16:11] <IchGucksLive> yes
[17:16:37] <IchGucksLive> c.newpin("x_value_is",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN) the value is not a bit its a float
[17:16:51] <IchGucksLive> so hal.HAL.....
[17:18:49] <Danimal_garage> ehh, not too bad, $110 for acid
[17:19:16] <Danimal_garage> i guess i should change the filters on my RO water system before i fill it, it's been over a year
[17:19:58] <IchGucksLive> hal.HAL_FLOAT, hal.HAL_OUT GOT it
[17:21:05] <Danimal_garage> i do have an old window a/c unit, i wonder how i could turn it into a chiller
[17:21:33] <robh__> freeze some bottles of water to use?
[17:22:37] <Danimal_garage> i do that now
[17:23:05] <Danimal_garage> i'm concerened it couldnt keep up with more capacity
[17:23:26] <Jymmm> chiller for what?
[17:23:49] <Danimal_garage> anodizing tank
[17:24:10] <Jymmm> how big?
[17:24:30] <Danimal_garage> 25gallons
[17:24:40] <Jymmm> SS ?
[17:24:55] <robh__> work out how many watts u put in from a part, = how much u gota take out
[17:25:11] <Danimal_garage> stainless would dissapear
[17:25:28] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: ok, then what is it made from?
[17:25:41] <robh__> SS would be attacehd by the acid
[17:25:53] <Danimal_garage> titanium ideally
[17:25:54] <Jymmm> polymer?
[17:26:24] <robh__> or get some alli tube, change it every year or so, nice wall thickness
[17:26:49] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: Well, get something double walled, plumb it so you can run food grade glycol in the outter chamber, works great
[17:27:46] <Jymmm> They make them ready to go out of SS is why I asked.
[17:28:05] <Jymmm> in 2000gal size =)
[17:28:28] <Danimal_garage> hmm
[17:29:13] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: Check out wine making suplliers
[17:29:19] <A2Sheds> http://www.focuser.com/anodize.html that site has a pic of a coil of poly cooling lines they use along with a glycol/alcohol mix, just exchange their ice bath for a heat exchanger mounter on the AC evaporator coil
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[17:31:21] <A2Sheds> sorry I mixed that anodize site with another
[17:31:45] <jdhNC> titanium heat exchanger: 350278919212
[17:35:09] <Danimal_garage> ha
[17:35:11] <Danimal_garage> smartass
[17:35:59] <Jymmm> Eh, just toss the tank on a glacier. Problem solved. NEXT!!!!!!!!!!
[17:36:35] <Danimal_garage> it would be a little expensive to get a glacier to San Diego
[17:37:22] <Jymmm> Port of San Diego
[17:37:23] <A2Sheds> or encase a copper heat exchanger in lead and use it for the cathode at the same time
[17:37:54] <Danimal_garage> i thought about that...
[17:38:02] <Danimal_garage> solder the shit out of it lol
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[17:42:21] <A2Sheds> copper or aluminum heat exchanger mounted to the underside of a lead plate for the bottom of the tank
[17:43:33] <A2Sheds> getting a good seal between the lead plate and the plastic tank becomes the issue next
[17:44:34] <A2Sheds> do they still lead to the public in CA?
[17:45:31] <Danimal_garage> yes i just got some
[17:47:23] <Jymmm> Yeah, you can still buy bullets rip the lead out, at least this week.
[17:48:28] <Danimal_garage> no more open carry thanks to Jerry Brown
[17:48:36] <Jymmm> asshole
[17:49:03] <Danimal_garage> yea
[17:49:28] <Danimal_garage> way to piss off the nra
[17:50:27] <Jymmm> and me
[17:51:05] <Jymmm> fscking calif bs
[17:51:10] <Danimal_garage> you can still carry your pellet gun
[17:51:44] <A2Sheds> not a problem since they weeded out all the sociopaths from the police forces there :p
[17:53:21] <Danimal_garage> right lol
[17:53:43] <Jymmm> yeah right, not!!
[17:54:01] <Jymmm> the cops are getter worser than the criminals anymore
[17:55:36] <Danimal_garage> almost as bad as your grammar right there.
[17:55:40] <Danimal_garage> :)
[17:55:47] <Jymmm> worse
[17:56:27] <Jymmm> OTP with AmSec atm too
[17:56:50] <Jymmm> Gawd, they are bad anymore. Used to be the best around.
[17:57:09] <Danimal_garage> who?
[17:57:21] <Jymmm> AmSec, they are a safe mfg.
[17:57:37] <Jymmm> down in fontana
[17:57:53] <Jymmm> Now, most products they put out are just shit.
[17:58:09] <Danimal_garage> never even looked at a safe before lol
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[18:00:40] <Jymmm> I used to be a locksmith, have a UL Listed fire safe
[18:00:58] <Jymmm> so been there done that
[18:01:23] <Danimal_garage> random occupation lol
[18:03:11] <Jymmm> Not really. Just the lockmsith trade has all gone mobile. Very few retail shops anymore
[18:03:14] <IchGucksLive> ACPI blocks my FDTI uart need to restart
[18:03:37] <Jymmm> and lots of competition
[18:04:42] <IchGucksLive> http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/251011200419_Bildschirmfoto-39.png
[18:04:50] <IchGucksLive> fully blockt PC
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[18:08:25] <IchGucksLive> here is the dmesg http://paste.pocoo.org/show/498051/
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[18:14:13] <mrsun> gah cant descide how to do it with the lathe
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[18:15:05] <mrsun> the motor was attached to it on the side, like 30cm out any small vibrations went right throught it... so i thought i would make a thingie inbetwene but it doesnt work out so well for me ... so was thinking of just attaching the motor to the bench and hope the vibrations will be less :P
[18:15:24] <mrsun> and use power strap or whatever they are called V belts insted of ordenary
[18:16:10] <IchGucksLive> i restart the PC
[18:16:12] <mrsun> power twist ? :P
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[18:18:55] <mrsun> ough bloody expensive :P
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[18:37:36] <jasle> hello
[18:38:13] <jasle> ich sarch a milling korrecktur programm
[19:09:42] <Danimal_garage> hmmm i may actually get these parts done today
[19:09:46] <Danimal_garage> that would be nice
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[19:27:56] <owhite> hello people. Does anyone have any advice on how an external program (written in c++) could provide an e-stop signal to EMC?
[19:28:42] <anonimasu> owhite: through nml.
[19:29:11] <anonimasu> however you want a realtime program for somthing like estop.
[19:29:39] <owhite> You mean some type of component ?
[19:30:07] <anonimasu> yeah, that would be the easiest i think
[19:30:23] <owhite> well I'd have to write the component in C, true?
[19:31:11] <anonimasu> I dont know about that much details about that part, but estop related stuff you dont want in non realtime..
[19:31:15] <anonimasu> it's dangerous.
[19:31:50] <owhite> well how about this....
[19:33:24] <owhite> my external program could be writing to shared memory - and the real time component could be checking the same memory testing for signal to stop or continue?
[19:34:04] <JT-Shop> it is very dangerous to trust a software E-Stop of any kind
[19:34:14] <JT-Shop> why do you want to do this?
[19:35:08] <owhite> I run a cnc laser. The optics are in a fixed position, the x-y table moves the sheet metal that is getting cut under the optics. The problem is some parts pop up when they get cut, and run into the optics.
[19:36:19] <Jymmm> I'd install a light screen instead
[19:36:42] <owhite> I am trying to build a system that optically detects any deflection in my optics, as in, testing if something ran into it. I was going to try to do that with a webcam. The webcam would point at the tip of the optics, if the optics move, the software monitoring the webcam would throw a stop.
[19:36:53] <owhite> not sure what a light screen would do.
[19:37:24] <Jymmm> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/200800611/light_screen_sensor_area_sensor_optical_sensor.jpg
[19:37:46] <Jymmm> anything interupts the beam(s), triggers the REAL estop.
[19:38:32] <owhite> cant there are a number of things that could come in a interupt the beam in my situation.
[19:38:48] <Jymmm> like?
[19:39:12] <owhite> My hands. Parts get cut, I pull them out of the way.
[19:39:19] <Jymmm> ah
[19:39:26] <Jymmm> then DONT DO THAT! lol
[19:40:36] <JT-Shop> how much clearance do you have between the part and the optics
[19:40:41] <owhite> 2mm.
[19:41:03] <JT-Shop> how big is the optic tube at the bottom
[19:41:22] <owhite> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFNnRrQd4XA
[19:41:35] <owhite> The video shows my system.
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[19:42:15] <owhite> The optics tube is around .5 inch near the business end of the cutting head.
[19:42:26] <JT-Shop> I'd bet a finger safe (width between beams) would work with that setup
[19:42:53] <Jymmm> I'm thinking pinball tilt mechanism
[19:43:14] <JT-Shop> across the narrow ends of the enclosure
[19:43:36] <owhite> By the time it's flippling a mechanical switch, it will be deflecting everything so I have to realign.
[19:43:40] <Jymmm> it a part pops up, it hits the outter ring, which makes contact and triggers estop
[19:43:46] <JT-Shop> or 4 laser sensors the box in the optic nozzle
[19:43:57] <JT-Shop> yea that is even simpler
[19:44:49] <owhite> I do not want to deal with a ring or some such near the optics. I have to get my hands in there.
[19:44:59] <Jymmm> owhite: So?
[19:45:35] <Jymmm> it's a 1/2" diam ring yoooour hands will never get near it
[19:45:40] <Jymmm> http://www.pinball-fixers.com/PINBALL-HISTORY/tilt-mechanism.html
[19:46:11] <Jymmm> or a mercury switch mounted the safe way (if your lazy)
[19:46:19] <Jymmm> s/safe/same/
[19:46:48] <JT-Shop> look at the buttons an lights on that screen
[19:46:49] <owhite> These are three thousand dollar optics, not a joy stick, they cant get deflected to the point that they "tilt".
[19:47:04] <Jymmm> owhite: KISS
[19:47:33] <Jymmm> pinball tilt switches have been used for 50+ years and never a problem.
[19:48:32] <Jymmm> with what you have in mind you have to align a camera, write a proggy, interface it with emc, and hope that all of it works
[19:48:43] <Jymmm> all the time.
[19:49:09] <Jymmm> KISS == Keep it simple stupid.
[19:49:32] <JT-Shop> If I had some 3k part hanging on my Z the cost of 3 reflective laser sensors would be cheap insurance
[19:50:00] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: sure, but he wants his hands in there too
[19:50:22] <JT-Shop> they would mount on the outside of the box Jymmm
[19:50:32] <Jymmm> and I suspect the bright swarf is gonna muck up the camera
[19:50:43] <JT-Shop> I use them over 36" apart
[19:50:53] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: light screens?
[19:50:56] <JT-Shop> cameras suck and never work
[19:51:15] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: light screens?
[19:51:21] <JT-Shop> no just 3 laser beam sensors to box in the tip
[19:51:26] <JT-Shop> no not light screens
[19:51:38] <JT-Shop> he only has to protect a small 1/2" area
[19:52:32] <owhite> The camera would be a USB microscope cam pointed at a small target. opencv has template tracking functions that would detect the target, and since it was in a lot of the field of vision, detecting small movements would be straight foward.
[19:52:50] <JT-Shop> have fun :)
[19:53:55] <owhite> Thanks JT-Shop. I wonder if I could get some advice on the _software_. Could someone point me to any documentation on nml?
[19:53:57] <Jymmm> owhite: so, the optics are in the copper cone or the black area above that? http://i52.tinypic.com/2eups85.jpg
[19:54:12] <JT-Shop> owhite: you would have to just read the code
[19:55:04] <owhite> JT: thanks, that never would have occurred to me. You may consider yourself ignored at this point.
[19:55:58] <JT-Shop> that's the only place where the documentation is for nml afaik
[19:56:20] <JT-Shop> oh well, I think I go play with the backhoe now
[19:56:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: You're on ignore, remember?
[19:56:32] <JT-Shop> I was talking to you Jymmm
[19:56:59] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: NML is so "old" I don't recall. But I'm sure it's well commented code.
[19:57:22] <owhite> Jymm, the optics start in the black portion, and the housing for the optics runs 12 inches or so up, and hits an bend, and keeps going further to the laser. http://nilno.com/images/system1.jpg
[19:57:24] <JT-Shop> yep grep and the source code
[19:57:28] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: you got any 16ga steel plate?
[19:57:32] <owhite> Not sure if it shows it very well.
[19:57:33] <JT-Shop> yea
[19:57:53] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Feel like welding me up a "box"?
[19:58:16] <JT-Shop> you have to come over here to pick it up...
[19:58:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: damn, "Ok, I'll be right over with beer, broads and explosives in hand"
[19:59:09] <JT-Shop> will it fit in a bread box or is it slightly bigger than a truck
[19:59:25] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: thr beer and broads or the box?
[19:59:31] <JT-Shop> oh I have two out of the three
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[20:17:03] <Danimal_garage> i didn't know we could ignore people
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[20:18:10] <skunkworks> hmm - I should un-ignore Danimal_garage
[20:18:21] <skunkworks> ;)
[20:19:28] <Danimal_garage> na, i am no use to you
[20:20:00] <Danimal_garage> unless you enjoy my cheeky shenanigans
[20:20:20] <Danimal_garage> but i guess how could you not
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[20:22:42] <skunkworks> I don't care what others say about you - you are a nice guy.
[20:25:22] <Danimal_garage> yea, my mom just won't quit talking shit, huh
[20:28:08] <owhite> Hey people. When making hal components using comp, is the only programming language that is permitted is C?
[20:29:00] <awallin_> probably a restricted subset of C
[20:29:18] <awallin_> for real-time components that is
[20:29:29] <archivist> assembler maybe
[20:29:35] <awallin_> non-realtime probably anything goes (i.e. pyvcp etc)
[20:31:02] <skunkworks> you want to research 'comp'
[20:31:18] <owhite> yeah I was looking at the docs.
[20:31:28] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_comp.html
[20:32:12] <skunkworks> It works well - I have written a comp for controlling my 16 speed spindle gearbox on a mill
[20:32:26] <owhite> in what language?
[20:32:30] <skunkworks> c like
[20:34:47] <owhite> do you think it is close enough to C that it would support shmget? I am thinking the component would access shared memory.
[20:35:16] <skunkworks> and now you just lost me.
[20:35:20] <skunkworks> ;)
[20:35:29] <skunkworks> I know just enough to be dangerous
[20:35:58] <andypugh> HAL shared memory?
[20:36:11] <owhite> Was thinking about it, yes.
[20:36:15] <archivist> shared with what?
[20:36:28] <andypugh> Well, it does that anyway, but only through pins.
[20:37:05] <owhite> archivist: an external program that was writing the status of the system.
[20:37:53] <andypugh> I think you might get what you want with hal_malloc (which might well use shmget internally)
[20:38:18] <owhite> thanks...rtfming.
[20:38:31] <andypugh> If you can pass the data on HAL pins it fits the standard setup better.
[20:39:34] <owhite> do you think there is a way for the external programs to pass data to the HAL pins?
[20:39:40] <owhite> er, program.
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[20:40:17] <andypugh> Yes, userspcae components can create HAL pins too.
[20:40:42] <andypugh> Or are you asking a different question?
[20:41:07] <andypugh> you can get pin values in the shell with halcmd getp
[20:42:01] <andypugh> But normally your external program would create HAL pins, and they would be linked to existing HAL pins in the HAL file.
[20:42:45] <owhite> andypugh: we were talking about this a day or so ago. I'd like to have an external c++ program report data into emc and depending on their condition emc would throw an e-stop. I have other mechanical based e-stops built in, but it would be useful to have this program also monitoring one part of the system.
[20:43:20] <owhite> andypugh: and when you say external program, you mean a user space component or something running completely separate?
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[20:44:47] <andypugh> Something separate, Axis makes a bunch of HAL pins, for example.
[20:45:03] <owhite> oh, neat. Well that would be perfect for this.
[20:45:19] <andypugh> I think hal_pin_u32_new is callable from anything?
[20:45:40] <owhite> when we talked last I had the impression I had to bring signals as a userspace component.
[20:46:04] <andypugh> There is a python interface too, I think, but C++ can just include hal.h and call the pin creation functions.
[20:46:19] <owhite> oh that's perfect.
[20:46:23] <andypugh> (I _think_. I have never tried it)
[20:46:32] <owhite> why did you mention that two days ago? :-)
[20:46:55] <andypugh> I wasn't willing to go out on quite such a limb of guesswork.
[20:47:08] <owhite> :-) no problem.
[20:47:12] <andypugh> (Or you asked the question in a different way)
[20:47:22] <andypugh> (Or I was more, or less, drunk)
[20:47:52] <owhite> i was probably drunk too. The impedence mismatch should have been very low then.
[20:48:42] <andypugh> Have a look in halmodule.cc too (I am not sure what I am seeing in there)
[20:50:50] <owhite> so theoretically it should be possible to compile and run a separate c++ program that creates new pins, and to be able to view that pin's status in halcmd?
[20:51:44] <andypugh> should be. Or in Halmeter.
[20:51:57] <owhite> neato mosquito.
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[20:53:00] <andypugh> You might well need the realtime system up first so that there _is_ HAL shared memory, so you would launch your program from a HAL file (with loadusr). So, back to where were were, a Userspace component is just an external program which creates HAL pins.
[20:54:45] <andypugh> src/hal/user_comps/hal_input.py is a good example of a Userspace program, it handles USB devices and passes pins to HAL.
[20:55:06] <Danimal_garage> man i can't believe i didn't switch this operation over to the lathe a long time ago, i saved a ton of time
[20:55:35] <owhite> andypugh: and does that code have to get compiled in with the source tree?
[20:56:05] <andypugh> No.
[20:56:40] <andypugh> You can compile realtime components outside the source tree, comp does exactly that.
[20:57:07] <andypugh> You can comp --install without even having the sources.
[20:57:46] <owhite> yeah but I was talking to people earlier and they were thinking that comp only works with the C-like language, not python.
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[20:59:12] <andypugh> That is true, my point is that if comp can do it, then it can be done
[20:59:30] <owhite> fair enough.
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[21:22:05] <Danimal_garage> dammit where is this UPS character that is supposed to be bringing me presents?
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[21:49:04] <Danimal_garage> walmart has the 150 quart cooler in stock, i think i'm going to get that one
[21:49:22] <Danimal_garage> that should be big enough
[21:49:52] <andypugh> For your anodising?
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[21:55:47] <Danimal_garage> yea
[21:59:33] <andypugh> Not that sink thing from the other day? That looked exactly like the tanks my local anodisers use.
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[22:06:15] <Danimal_garage> no i think a cooler might be better and is definitely cheaper
[22:07:13] <andypugh> Half the price for a quarter the quality is a bargain in my world.
[22:07:31] <Danimal_garage> the cooler is insulated
[22:07:35] <Danimal_garage> and has a lid
[22:07:58] <Danimal_garage> i've been using a cooler for a couple years now, they work great
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[22:27:13] <skunkKandT> cradek: what would happen if I used the hole probe on a rectangle?
[22:29:28] <skunkKandT> my eyes are swimming looking at the gcode ;)
[22:33:14] <emcrules_D510> I tried it one time. I think it worked but the dia was messed up. I remember having to setup max dia to the widest part of the rectangle.
[22:33:43] <elmo40> doesn't it rapid to a bit before max dia then go slowly to find the edge?
[22:33:49] <elmo40> or is it all a slow feed to the dia?
[22:34:27] <elmo40> because a 10" hole would take forever to probe!
[22:34:47] <emcrules_D510> it rapids from what i remember
[22:38:01] <skunkKandT> wow - that worked perfectly.
[22:38:23] <emcrules_D510> what was the size of the rectangle
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[22:39:18] <skunkKandT> 1" X .5"
[22:40:17] <skunkKandT> 1.003178 by .502979 to be exact ;)
[22:40:51] <skunkKandT> probed it twice and got the exact same dim
[22:41:10] <emcrules_D510> try a bigger difference in x and y. I cant remember if it was cradeks probing code or a probing routine i wrote for a robot but if the x and y delta was too bid the machine would fault
[22:41:42] <emcrules_D510> it would only travel so far after max dia
[22:42:18] <emcrules_D510> andypugh: do you sitll have your config files from testing with the 8i20?
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[22:57:32] <skunkKandT> yah - there is a diameter limit set in the gcode.
[22:57:54] <skunkKandT> I have not probed anything bigger yet to need and adjustment
[22:58:18] <skunkKandT> I could see a few more probing routines - center vertical, center horizontal..
[22:58:24] <Danimal_garage> no fat chicks?
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[23:04:06] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: I got a water cooler for my anodizing line!
[23:04:12] <Danimal_garage> nice!
[23:04:21] <Danimal_garage> what did you get?
[23:05:05] <JT-Shop> my friend is a doctor and it came out of his office... I have to strip all the sheetmetal off of the chiller unit
[23:06:05] <JT-Shop> also he has a digital kiln that I can have to heat treat with
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[23:06:19] <Danimal_garage> sweet!
[23:06:25] <Danimal_garage> nice score
[23:06:58] <Danimal_garage> although you won't really need a chiller unless you're doing long runs
[23:07:31] <Danimal_garage> i do stuff all day long, that's why i need one
[23:07:37] <JT-Shop> never can tell so it is best to have it on the shelf and ready to use
[23:07:41] <JT-Shop> if it is free
[23:07:47] <Danimal_garage> yea
[23:08:08] <Danimal_garage> when are you going to get your line fired up?
[23:08:39] <JT-Shop> dunno, just gathering up bits and pieces as they come into view you know
[23:09:06] <Danimal_garage> yea
[23:09:27] <Danimal_garage> i'm going to try and grab that 150quart cooler tonight, and get it plumbed up
[23:09:35] <JT-Shop> neat
[23:09:39] <Danimal_garage> my lead should be here in a day or two
[23:09:43] <Danimal_garage> for the cathodes
[23:09:52] <Danimal_garage> and my ti will be here tomorrow for the new racks
[23:09:56] <JT-Shop> you using a Ti rack?
[23:10:17] <JT-Shop> will the rack fit all tanks or do you have to change racks?
[23:10:21] <Danimal_garage> right now i use ti clips on an aluminum rack, the rack doesn't get submerged, only the clips do
[23:10:46] <JT-Shop> like alligator clips?
[23:10:59] <Danimal_garage> i'm making 3 racks, i'll probably do it the same way but a different configuration
[23:11:20] <Danimal_garage> no, just an expanding clip i made that fits in the 10mm holes in my parts
[23:11:38] <Danimal_garage> then it attaches to the rack with a wingnut
[23:11:55] <Danimal_garage> pretty basic
[23:11:59] <JT-Shop> ah so the anodizing blank spot will be in the hole
[23:12:05] <Danimal_garage> yep
[23:12:43] <Danimal_garage> my tank is shallow, i set the parts up differently than most people
[23:12:55] <Danimal_garage> it only goes one part deep
[23:12:57] <JT-Shop> horz?
[23:12:59] <Danimal_garage> yes
[23:13:17] <Danimal_garage> it's easier for me like that
[23:13:38] <Danimal_garage> that way i can start one rack at a different time than the others or whatever
[23:13:52] <Danimal_garage> i can take the parts off the racks while it's still anodizing
[23:14:02] <Danimal_garage> without disturbing the others
[23:14:26] <JT-Shop> neat
[23:14:57] <Danimal_garage> my parts are about 5"-7.8" in diameter, and only about .125" thick
[23:15:08] <Danimal_garage> i can line them up pretty easily
[23:15:19] <Danimal_garage> i keep my tank about 11" deep or so
[23:15:31] <JT-Shop> I didn't get much dirt moved... went to get the Kobota from my neighbor but he was done with sick people for the day and we had a couple of bottles of wine instead
[23:15:38] <Danimal_garage> gives me room for the plumbing underneath for agetation
[23:15:51] <Danimal_garage> ha nice
[23:16:00] <JT-Shop> how much agitation do you use?
[23:16:08] <Danimal_garage> i forgot
[23:16:19] <Danimal_garage> i think i have a 750cfm little giant
[23:16:29] <Danimal_garage> something like that
[23:16:47] <JT-Shop> quite a bit more than an aquarium pump then
[23:16:54] <Danimal_garage> yea
[23:17:04] <Danimal_garage> it's not a lot, but it's more than enough
[23:17:16] <Danimal_garage> it doesn't take much
[23:17:38] <Danimal_garage> i've used aquarium pumps in the past (air pumps)
[23:18:14] <Danimal_garage> they don't like to stay on the bottom, they tend to float if you don't fasten them good
[23:18:37] <Danimal_garage> i didn't like using air, it put fumes into the air
[23:18:56] <JT-Shop> can you use physical agitation?
[23:19:06] <Danimal_garage> circulating the acid seems to be a little less messy
[23:19:12] <Danimal_garage> yes
[23:19:20] <Danimal_garage> i was going to try it once
[23:19:26] <Danimal_garage> i even made a rotor
[23:19:44] <Danimal_garage> but the little giant pumps work pretty good
[23:19:54] <JT-Shop> some kind of drum stirrer with a prop on the end like a stick blender kinda
[23:20:02] <Danimal_garage> exactly what i made
[23:20:49] <Danimal_garage> i found that it took up too much room on the top of the tank, it made it harder to load and unload the racks
[23:21:56] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, did you pay your Dr friend in cannon balls?
[23:22:02] <Danimal_garage> i like the circulating pump the best so far
[23:22:03] <JT-Shop> you almost need what they use around here to pump water out of ditches
[23:22:24] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: we make them together :)
[23:22:25] <Danimal_garage> you need a mag drive pump, and don't get one of the cheap ones for fish tanks
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[23:22:40] <Danimal_garage> spend the money on the little giant
[23:22:48] <Danimal_garage> they're about $250
[23:23:07] <Danimal_garage> you'll be changing the cheaper ones every month (not kidding)
[23:23:17] <JT-Shop> I think I have one laying around here somewhere
[23:23:43] <Danimal_garage> the plastic in the cheaper fountain pumps fall apart in the acid
[23:24:03] <Danimal_garage> the magnet separates from the rotor
[23:24:28] <Danimal_garage> make sure it's a mag drive, you can't have any metal in there
[23:24:34] <JT-Shop> yea my PHD slides are on the way for the lift and spins for Briggs
[23:26:46] <Danimal_garage> finally, they aproved my membership in anodizing101 on yahoo
[23:27:16] <JT-Shop> cool
[23:27:25] <JT-Shop> you see anything worthwhile
[23:28:52] <A2Sheds> members only for reading their board?
[23:29:18] <JT-Shop> keeps the trolls and spammers out :)
[23:29:25] <Danimal_garage> i don't know yet, i litterally just got approved
[23:29:41] <A2Sheds> I can understand about being able to post, but how about reading?
[23:31:19] <JT-Shop> top secret submarine props are anodized there I think...
[23:31:34] <andypugh> emcrules_D510: Let me see what I can find.
[23:31:37] <JT-Shop> or they may only have one choice I don't know
[23:32:48] <andypugh> emcrules_D510: http://pastebin.com/sw7BE3u3
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[23:34:21] <A2Sheds> other yahoo groups let anyone read messages but you have to be a member to post
[23:34:23] <andypugh> http://pastebin.com/zEJApSvF
[23:34:58] <emcrules_D510> thanks andy
[23:36:23] <andypugh> I changed the format slightly since then. I edited the config to suit, but it is possible that sserial_mode0= might need to be sserial_modes0=.
[23:37:06] <JT-Shop> andypugh: I got the freedos usb stick to work with no pain at all
[23:37:21] <andypugh> On a D510?
[23:37:29] <JT-Shop> D525
[23:37:46] <andypugh> Actually, FreeDOS works fine, but won't run the Mesa firmware updater.
[23:37:52] <JT-Shop> I made the stick on this windblows computer
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[23:38:01] <JT-Shop> really
[23:38:01] <andypugh> It might work on a D525 though.
[23:38:11] <JT-Shop> do I need DOS 6.22
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[23:40:58] <andypugh> That didn't work for me either.
[23:41:14] <JT-Shop> what worked?
[23:41:16] <andypugh> freeDOS worked perfectly for the patch on my Xeon,
[23:43:22] <Valen> ubuntu forums are membership to read not
[23:43:23] <Valen> now
[23:43:28] <Valen> it pisses me off soooo much
[23:43:40] <Valen> ubuntu as a whole is pissing me off
[23:44:59] * JT-Shop hands Valen a .44 magnum to play with
[23:45:02] <skunkKandT> my coworker fought with the latest ubuntu trying to get dual monitors working with his video card
[23:45:06] <skunkKandT> good half a day
[23:45:07] <Valen> pfft
[23:45:39] <Valen> 40mm belt fed grenade launcher if your going to do it
[23:45:47] <JT-Shop> it's a bit louder than that Valen
[23:46:04] <JT-Shop> even with target loads...
[23:46:24] * Valen figures a few hundred grams of C4 will make a fair noise
[23:46:34] <Valen> and the best thing is the noise is over there
[23:46:58] <Valen> hmm /me ponders xubuntu and compiz
[23:47:01] <JT-Shop> now we are talking
[23:47:03] <Valen> or kubuntu
[23:47:11] <JT-Shop> C4 and Tannerite
[23:47:15] <Valen> grenades are packed full of C4
[23:47:28] <JT-Shop> and some HP38
[23:47:54] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[23:48:59] <Valen> JT-Shop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mk_19_Grenade_Belt.jpg
[23:50:08] <Loetmichel> looks like a bit too much ;-)
[23:50:32] <Valen> rule 37, there is no "overkill"
[23:50:37] <Valen> http://store.schlockmercenary.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=P-R37
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