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[00:01:12] <fritzgutten> k, thank you
[00:02:34] <JT-Shop> I assume using stepgen in velocity would work
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[00:03:20] <Danimal_garage> A2Sheds: i just checked some freshly anodized and unsealed parts for shits and giggles, and they are non conductive
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[00:09:37] <fritzgutten> JT-Shop: not sure what you're refering to....as an axis?
[00:09:51] <fritzgutten> or as an entry in hal?
[00:11:00] <JT-Shop> fritzgutten: looks like you can just have a stepgen control type of velocity for a spindle
[00:11:02] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/man/man9/stepgen.9.html
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[00:13:22] <Danimal_garage> would be interesting trying to rigid tap with a stepper spindle and no feedback lol
[00:13:39] <Danimal_garage> is it even possible? seems like it would be in theory
[00:13:59] <Valen> don't see why not
[00:14:02] <fritzgutten> might be an expensive experiment
[00:14:08] <Valen> probably come under the heading of not a good idea
[00:14:29] <Valen> aluminium oxide is a really good insulator
[00:14:46] <Valen> anodising is the process of making the oxide layer on regular Al thicker ;->
[00:14:47] <Danimal_garage> it's also a good sandpaper
[00:14:48] <JT-Shop> you need an index pulse to feedback to thread
[00:15:07] <JT-Shop> s/to/and
[00:15:47] <andypugh> JT-Shop: You could synthesise an index from the steps.
[00:15:47] <Danimal_garage> why couldnt you fudge that?
[00:15:52] <Danimal_garage> exactly
[00:16:08] <JT-Shop> that's why you get the big bucks Andy
[00:16:14] <Danimal_garage> lol
[00:17:03] <Valen> still comes under the heading of "sure you could, but *why*?"
[00:17:12] <Danimal_garage> send one pulse every # of steps per rev
[00:17:23] <skunkworks> hoss or what ever the guys name is on the mach side did rigid tapping. stepper spindle. (used is as an axis and did coordinated moves)
[00:17:41] <Danimal_garage> because i have nothing else interesting to talk about
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[00:18:03] <Danimal_garage> must be from Texas
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[00:18:31] <skunkworks> this is so much nicer...
http://youtu.be/jAcFeVlftrw
[00:18:53] <JT-Shop> get a collet LOL
[00:19:06] <Danimal_garage> yea yea we've seen it lol
[00:19:15] <Danimal_garage> i have still yet to rigid tap
[00:19:17] <Valen> now your just showing off ;-P
[00:19:19] <skunkworks> I have them... just lazy
[00:19:21] <Danimal_garage> havent needed to
[00:19:32] <JT-Shop> I love rigid tapping
[00:19:40] <Valen> we have a high speed spindle, i don't think ridgid tapping is in its future
[00:19:45] <JT-Shop> I don't even use my floating tap holder any more
[00:19:47] <Danimal_garage> lol
[00:19:53] <Danimal_garage> i dont even own one
[00:19:59] <Valen> I'm going for milling the threads instead ;->
[00:19:59] <JT-Shop> Valen: you just have to be brave
[00:20:04] <fritzgutten> setting it up as an a axis would work, but i'd like to have the fancy spindle rpm readout an unlimited revolutions
[00:20:17] <Valen> minimum speed for it is meant to be 6000RPM JT-Shop ;->
[00:20:34] <skunkworks> really fine tread taps...
[00:20:38] <skunkworks> thread
[00:20:38] <JT-Shop> that is some rapid rigid tapping
[00:20:52] <JT-Shop> fritzgutten: set it up as a spindle
[00:21:08] <Valen> I think I'll go for the thread milling instead ;->
[00:21:17] <Valen> bonus then i don't need eleventy taps
[00:21:20] <andypugh> skunkworks: Is that a part for the machine, or is it actually making real parts now?
[00:21:24] <JT-Shop> I have some thread mills but never have used them
[00:21:27] <Danimal_garage> i did thread milling before
[00:21:49] <Valen> howd it go Danimal_garage?
[00:21:58] <skunkworks> andypugh: more like r&d...
[00:22:04] <skunkworks> but yes - real parts
[00:22:06] <Danimal_garage> i'm convinced all skunkworks makes with his machines is parts for his machines
[00:22:16] <Danimal_garage> Valen: just fine
[00:22:34] <andypugh> That's certainly all I do, and all my Dad has ever done either.
[00:22:42] <Danimal_garage> lol
[00:22:45] <JT-Shop> parts is parts
[00:22:55] <Danimal_garage> i only make parts for them when they break
[00:23:11] <Danimal_garage> i keep them making bicycle parts as much as possible
[00:23:18] <skunkworks> I think we only made 1 part for the k&t on the k&t...
[00:23:39] <skunkworks> the rest was all done on the manual mill and lathe..
[00:23:39] <JT-Shop> I made parts for the plasma cutter with the plasma cutter
[00:24:11] <JT-Shop> I wonder (just a bit) if my DX-32 control would peck tap
[00:24:46] <JT-Shop> finally got my manual lathe up and going after the move
[00:24:46] <skunkworks> are you converting that when it dies...
[00:25:04] <JT-Shop> after the BP series 1 yea
[00:25:05] <andypugh> It gets a bit tedious when you have to reassemble the machine to make the next part, then dismantle again to fit..
[00:25:30] <JT-Shop> the BP has an Anilam conversion kit on it so it is next
[00:25:48] <andypugh> Milling the underside of my milling table was a bit of a challenge.
[00:26:22] <Valen> lol
[00:26:34] <JT-Shop> I saw a putube video of a myford converted to CNC but he didn't show anything ...
[00:27:17] <JT-Shop> time for me to put on the chef hat
[00:27:24] <JT-Shop> talk to you guys later
[00:28:30] <Valen> time to mill some PCB!
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[00:38:01] <skunkworks> doesn't this look like it miss treads at about 26/27 seconds?
[00:38:12] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gns3HP00X9Y&feature=related
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[00:43:44] <andypugh> He's probably using Mach3, which would explain it.
[00:43:58] <skunkworks> no - emc...
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[00:49:31] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: my apologies, I was thinking pre and post anodic layer
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[00:51:34] <A2Sheds> I was looking for some SEM photos of the pores
[00:54:24] <andypugh> Does he say he is using emc?
[00:54:56] <andypugh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVvnKFWQsS0&feature=related says Mach3
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[01:10:59] <Tom_itx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMdBIBzGtKI
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[01:17:14] <andypugh> The voiceover has a perfect american accent, but a very chinese sentence construction.
[01:17:42] <Tom_itx> no sound on this pc
[01:17:50] <andypugh> lucky
[01:18:33] <Tom_itx> :)
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[01:33:57] <FinboySlick> Anyone here thought of using an old supercharger as a screw compressor for mist cooling and such?
[01:39:34] <Tom_itx> newer screw type would be more efficient
[01:39:50] <Tom_itx> we had a screw compressor in our shop
[01:40:47] <Tom_itx> in a room by itself
[01:41:22] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: Screw type supercharger was what I had in mind. I was just wondering if it is worth investigating and if anyone had already laid the tracks.
[01:41:30] <Tom_itx> i'd think if you had a small shop it wouldn't hardly be worth it
[01:42:01] <Tom_itx> just depends on your air demand
[01:43:34] <FinboySlick> I guess so. Mist coolant shouldn't be too demanding volume-wise and it could be an interesting recycling project.
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[02:07:40] <A2Sheds> andypugh: yeah, the grammar is off, wrong suffixes esp for tense
[02:08:47] <A2Sheds> it sounds really odd, like a non native speaker, but a good copy of a midwest accent
[02:10:53] <A2Sheds> "is same" vs "is the same ", "turning longer shaft" vs "turning a longer shaft"
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[03:34:22] <Jymmm> This is pretty good...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64TstUYn5O0&feature=youtu.be
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[17:06:09] <JT-Shop> hi
[17:06:17] <Danimal_garage> how goes it
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[17:10:05] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[17:10:24] <IchGuckLive> i got a problem on my 5 Axis XYBUV
[17:10:51] <IchGuckLive> i want to cut a radius in XY and a other in UV
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[17:11:26] <IchGuckLive> how do i say this in G code ther is only ijk for xyz axis
[17:12:36] <skunkworks> IchGuckLive: I don't think you can.. The gcode would have to be made up of short line segments.
[17:13:58] <IchGuckLive> skunkworks: thanks
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[17:21:04] <Danimal_garage> man it's chilly here, it finally got below 70f
[17:21:29] <Danimal_garage> supposed to rain today too
[17:21:59] <Jymmm> Started raining here last night.
[17:22:49] <Danimal_garage> yea it sprinkled a little yesterday
[17:23:27] <Danimal_garage> guess it's a good day to get work done
[17:24:34] <Jymmm> suppose to get 3"
[17:25:18] <Danimal_garage> i bet that's what you tell all the fellas
[17:25:40] <Jymmm> of rain ya fool!
[17:26:03] <Danimal_garage> doh!
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[17:32:50] <Danimal_garage> hmm i'd be a happy camper if i could finish these parts today
[17:33:01] <Jymmm> GIT ER DONE!
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[17:34:01] <Danimal_garage> i'm running 2 machines plus anodizing!
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[17:36:04] <jthornton> on a fresh LiveCd install is there any other steps besides creating the emc2/configs/ and emc2/nc_files and copying the config that is needed?
[17:36:14] <Danimal_garage> i wish i had a third machine..... another mill would be nice
[17:36:25] <Danimal_garage> jthornton: no
[17:36:34] <jthornton> thanks
[17:36:37] <Danimal_garage> updates
[17:36:46] <Danimal_garage> thats about all i did
[17:36:54] <Danimal_garage> setting up your network if required
[17:37:54] <Danimal_garage> of course that only gives you 2.4.x
[17:38:19] <Danimal_garage> so if you use the new velocity loop, you either need to change your hal or upgrade to at least 2.5pre
[17:38:26] <Danimal_garage> unless something changed
[17:45:53] <Danimal_garage> man my dogs are so worked up lately
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[18:16:47] <Loetmichel> hmmm....
[18:18:20] * Loetmichel is tempted to make a machine vise himself. like this one but with a little more material and a clamp to press down the moving grip. -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11690
[18:18:24] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11696
[18:18:49] <Danimal_garage> just buy a Kurt knockoff
[18:18:51] <Loetmichel> i am thinking of making it from one block of Aluminium 7075.
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[18:19:14] <Danimal_garage> a used one is cheaper than the material to make one by a long shot
[18:19:21] <Loetmichel> do you think that will be sufficient for a small mill?
[18:19:38] <Loetmichel> Danimal_garage: the used ones are to big/to heavy
[18:20:34] <Loetmichel> i want something small/lightweiht for my mill
[18:20:49] <Danimal_garage> machine is smaller?
[18:20:54] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12304
[18:21:06] <Loetmichel> you see the vise?
[18:22:15] <Danimal_garage> this pc sucks, i cant really visit sites
[18:22:37] <Loetmichel> the problem with this cheap drilling vises: to few material, and the moving part of the vise comes up 'cause the slides are just molded, and no clampdown
[18:23:17] <Loetmichel> you cant see the pics?
[18:25:16] <Danimal_garage> im not going to click it, my pc sucks
[18:25:58] <Loetmichel> copy it
[18:26:04] <Loetmichel> its my private server
[18:26:11] <Loetmichel> no bad scripts
[18:26:17] <Loetmichel> just a gallery2
[18:26:23] <Loetmichel> with some pics
[18:26:53] <Danimal_garage> has nothing to do with that.
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[18:58:43] <skunkworks> damn..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJv58SXx2V8
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[19:03:57] <archivist> yet another magnet perpetual freak
[19:04:20] <skunkworks> if all the time wasted on these things was put to good use..
[19:05:41] <cpresser> i would buy a 1kW free-energy-generator for testing purposes
[19:05:58] <cpresser> if it works, they can sell me bigger machines :)
[19:11:48] <Danimal_garage> i'd like to build one for the van
[19:11:49] <Loetmichel> one can do funny things with rare earth magnets. but breaking the first law of thermodynamics isnt one of it ;-)
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[19:14:13] <Danimal_garage> i wonder how much torque you could get out of a managable sized one
[19:15:22] <archivist> less than YOU put in
[19:15:48] <andypugh> About as much as the same weight pushing on a frictionless cam..
[19:15:49] <Danimal_garage> kinda figured that
[19:16:38] <archivist> he uses the magnet drop at the start point to give the momentum, it will come to a stop
[19:17:05] <archivist> no such thing as a free lunch
[19:17:34] <Danimal_garage> what about the first one
[19:17:56] <Danimal_garage> he just set the magnet down and it shot out the end
[19:18:09] <Danimal_garage> what if you used the same pattern but made it into a big loop
[19:18:17] <andypugh> The one that fires a magnet out the other end is interesting, but I think he had to push pretty hard to get it in.
[19:18:26] <Danimal_garage> so the magnets kept shooting around
[19:18:34] <archivist> exactly HE put the energy in
[19:25:08] <Danimal_garage> negative nancy
[19:25:12] <Danimal_garage> :)
[19:28:16] <Loetmichel> if one finds a way to use temperature and NOT delta temperature as an energy source this one could be VERY rich
[19:28:21] <Loetmichel> (or dead) ;-)
[19:28:34] <andypugh> Why not build one? You probably have enough bike parts around and the internet is full of magnet shops.
http://www.guysmagnets.com/ for example
[19:31:02] <archivist> magnet machines are like fools gold
[19:35:57] <andypugh> http://gizmodo.com/5846648/i-never-expected-a-bridge-demolition-would-look-like-this
[19:40:56] <DaViruz> "This time lapse video shows how to demolish a video"
[19:40:57] <DaViruz> huh :)
[19:41:12] <archivist> the two on the wall at the end...did the earth move for you?
[19:41:28] <Loetmichel> andypugh: NICE!
[19:41:49] <slowfuse> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJv58SXx2V8
[19:41:58] <slowfuse> oops
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[19:47:20] <A2Sheds> so is the magnet also powering his hand movements? :)
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[20:08:50] <slowfuse> Have other people built things like the magnet motor and had similar results?
[20:09:17] <sarariman_seb> yes, they all have the same results - no free energy ;-)
[20:10:22] <slowfuse> Looks like a fun conversational piece.
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