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[00:19:17] <CBLACK10> Hello all. I finally have my gantry machine working using gantrykins. I don't have limit switches on all my axis and was hoping that I would be able to set soft limits to prevent over travel. If I jog an axis to a soft limit it pops up with an error message in axis, but It still allows me to jog past it. Is there any way to change this?
[00:32:49] <FinboySlick> CBLACK10: Someone else was asking about gantrykins earlier this week, is that you?
[00:37:55] <CBLACK10> No, wasn't me.
[00:38:12] <Eartaker> soft limits are pointless without a way to home the machine
[00:38:30] <Eartaker> you need to just add the switches, atleast for homing
[00:38:44] <SWPadnos> switches aren't required for homing
[00:38:54] <FinboySlick> You can use a limit switch for homing.
[00:38:57] <SWPadnos> though they are better than the alternative, since they actually mean something
[00:39:36] <FinboySlick> Just don't approach it too fast when homing ;)
[00:39:41] <SWPadnos> CBLACK10, I believe that soft limits don't apply until the machine has been homed. have you been homing before your tests?
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[00:43:45] <CBLACK10> I have home switches they all work. But when in world mode it won't stop me from over travelling the limits I have entered in the ini file. In joint mode it will come to a stop at the limit.
[00:44:15] <SWPadnos> did you home the machine before testing?
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[00:44:24] <SWPadnos> bummer
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[00:44:35] <SWPadnos> did you home the machine before testing?
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[00:49:16] <CBLACK883> Yes I homed all the joints and it still lets me overtravel in world mode.
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[12:15:45] <jthornton> archivist: just read your link on microstepping and I guess that is why good drivers like the G203v morph from 10 microsteps to full steps as the speed increases
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[13:45:12] <Tom_itx> more torque?
[13:48:46] <jthornton> www.gnipsel.com/video/video.xhtml
[13:49:36] <jthornton> I think that the faster the stepper goes the more torque you need so morphing to full step gives you the best of both worlds
[13:50:30] <Tom_itx> yeah, the faster a stepper goes the less torque it has
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[13:56:31] <jthornton> Tom_itx: did you look at the video?
[13:56:41] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop i bet your neighbors love you
[13:57:06] <jthornton> that is my neighbors
[13:57:38] <Tom_itx> don't piss em off
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[13:58:03] <jthornton> I helped building the cannon... did all the metal work for Ricky
[13:58:10] <Tom_itx> you may find a 8lb ball going thru your shop
[13:58:19] <Tom_itx> cool
[13:59:51] <jthornton> the cannon is 1 3/4 bore so the ball weighs in at 4lbs or so, we usually shoot aluminum foil
[14:00:08] <jthornton> see you in the shop
[14:00:13] <Tom_itx> does it just shred when fired?
[14:02:35] <JT-Shop> most of it does, you find some larger bits in front of the cannon
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[16:18:16] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGbgVHkrm9A
[16:21:05] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HgGGhi8aOs
[16:22:25] <awallin_> is that a linear-motor machine? way fast??
[16:23:10] <awallin_> it's very clean, must be a "lab" setting :) certainly not a chipmaking shop...
[16:24:42] <Tom_itx> why the sheet under the vise?
[16:25:08] <awallin_> "no scratches on my shiny new table please..." :)
[16:25:29] <pcw_home> Yes looks like linear (you can see the gold linear encoder strip in the back)
[16:25:56] <pcw_home> good for fast but low force apps
[16:27:01] <awallin_> on the right, left of the linear-rail, is that the motor? with a vertical slot for the 'rotor' (whatever the moving part of a linear motor is called)
[16:27:22] <pcw_home> I think so
[16:27:27] <Tom_itx> linear slide
[16:28:37] <skunkworks> I 'think' the video is sped up
[16:29:12] <skunkworks> or it looks like it to me.. He starts out - normal speed. speeds it up in the middle then slows the video back down at the end.
[16:29:23] <Tom_itx> read the 'S' word on the gcode :)
[16:30:57] <pcw_home> looks like it has linear motors on both sides
[16:32:47] <pcw_home> you can see what look like pole pieces of the permanent magnets in the slot
[16:34:00] <Tom_itx> you'd think they would be better protected
[16:34:20] <skunkworks> don't cut anything steel... ;)
[16:34:46] <skunkworks> we have similar motors on some of our large format printing machinesa
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[16:55:01] <pcw_home> Tom_itx: yes no ferrous metals or you have a big problem (or lots of little one rather)
[16:56:23] <Tom_itx> you could view the magnetic fields though
[16:59:37] <pcw_home> Thats right :-)
[17:07:41] <Loetmichel> yeah, te stators of the linear drives are looking rather "open" to me ;-)
[17:08:03] <Loetmichel> that woud make for a GREAT steel swarf collector ;-)
[17:09:24] <Tom_itx> ok i grounded the case of my pendant. i hope that fixes it. when i touched it and a stepper emc would stop. i can touch either one separately
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[17:20:20] <pcw_home> unless your stepper cases are grounded they will have a nice 20-50KHz VStepMotor capactively coupled square wave from the chopping
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[17:22:12] <pcw_home> lots of capacitance from step motor windings to the frame
[17:22:55] <Tom_itx> yeah
[17:23:07] <Tom_itx> once it's all hooked up it will probably be ok
[17:23:13] <Tom_itx> this is all bench testing
[17:24:46] <pcw_home> grounding the step motor to the machine frame will help
[17:24:53] <Tom_itx> ok, moving all this out to the shop to hook it up
[17:25:02] <Tom_itx> i will
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[17:27:35] <pcw_home> Do the step drives have a frame ground for the motors?
[17:28:08] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure but i'll check
[17:29:31] <pcw_home> always an interesting issue where the return AC current from step drive --> step motor frame --> step motor power goes...
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[17:49:30] <Jymmm> Has anyone heard of a "dram", and when/where is it commonly used in?
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[17:51:08] <archivist> a wee dram is drank
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[17:51:17] <atom1> :)
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[17:51:49] <atom1> ok well the spindle switch works, as do the steppers. need some fine tuning and on to wire up the limit switches
[17:51:56] <Jymmm> archivist: I thought it was an imperial unit?
[17:52:23] <archivist> yes ask a scotsman
[17:52:31] <Jymmm> heh
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[17:56:24] <Jymmm> I don't know how many might find this useful or not, but I came across some 3oz waxed paper cups at tap plastics for $0.10/ea with tsp, tbs, ml, dr, and ounce graduations on it. Made my Solo/Sweatheart they call them "Medicine Cup" Thought it might be handy for anyone who needs to measure out anything... http://images.jmcatalog.com/prdimgs/CEP123Al/SWE/SWER3M.JPG
[17:57:33] <Jymmm> http://www.dobmeierjanitorialsupplies.com/assets/product-images/SOLO-CUP-SCCR3.jpg
[17:57:53] <skunkworks> heh - we have some friends that drink their dram of whiskey while watching there Sunday night British comedies..
[17:58:06] <skunkworks> *their
[18:01:41] <Jymmm> Might be good for measuring/mixing chemicals or whatnot
[18:13:12] <atom1> ok i issue a home x from the manual screen and nothing moves
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[18:14:37] <atom1> nm
[18:15:53] <atom1> apparently it doesn't see the switches yet
[18:18:20] * atom1 gets a meter
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[19:15:03] <pjm> LOL i've just been spammed by someone via the IRC logs! subject 1-8GB Mini Waterproof USB Flash -$4.1-7.0/pc
[19:15:41] <spida> pjm: and why are you spamming us with that?
[19:16:09] <JT-Shop> lol
[19:16:18] <pjm> i hardly think a single comment counts as spam - perhaps others had suffered the same misfortune
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[19:16:48] <spida> pjm: ok
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[19:33:38] <JT-Shop> Peter is speaking in tongue on the forum or his sheep have taken over...
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[19:42:21] <skunkworks> blah blah blah?
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[19:47:18] <JT-Shop> yea
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[20:12:05] <syyl__> it works :D
[20:12:06] <syyl__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r6nnsV4JFc
[20:20:06] <skunkworks> syyl__: awesome. I cannot belive how much I use my probe.
[20:20:22] <syyl__> hrhr
[20:20:33] <syyl__> i hope i get some accuracity in the end
[20:20:38] <skunkworks> makes setup a breeze.
[20:20:52] <skunkworks> slap something down - probe and zero.
[20:21:09] <skunkworks> is it a 6 ball 3 pin?
[20:21:15] <syyl__> of course :)
[20:21:36] <syyl__> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2011-10-02_18-26-37_176.jpg
[20:21:41] <skunkworks> ours is a renishaw knock off and it seems to repeat to .0002" atleast
[20:22:29] <syyl__> in the protocol of our renishaw at work it says 0,4/1000mm repeatability
[20:22:38] <syyl__> thats ok ;)
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[20:24:04] <skunkworks> syyl__: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOi51ogqels
[20:24:16] <isssy> hi all , any idea haw M100 can set pin according to the tool selecteed
[20:24:35] <syyl__> hehe skunkwork, thats so nice
[20:24:40] <syyl__> just fun to watch
[20:25:57] <JT-Shop> syyl__: what does korpus mean?
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[20:26:25] <syyl__> body
[20:28:43] <JT-Shop> thanks google translate failed on that one :)
[20:28:55] <syyl__> hr
[20:29:01] <syyl__> where did you read it? Oo
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[20:30:25] <JT-Shop> you sent it to me :)
[20:30:34] <syyl> ah, in the model
[20:30:38] <JT-Shop> yes
[20:30:42] <syyl> :D
[20:31:08] <JT-Shop> are you making it from aluminum?
[20:31:18] <syyl> only the first prototype
[20:31:48] <syyl> (as i started yesterday, i had no piece of steel with that diameter at hand, only 12mm and 50mm..)
[20:32:13] <syyl> and machining down a 50mm rod, seemed a bit silly to me :D
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[20:32:48] <JT-Shop> yea, I do the same thing dig dig dig till I find just the right piece of material to use
[20:33:22] <Tom_itx> you use + v on the limit switches?
[20:33:31] <Tom_itx> so an open goes to gnd
[20:33:58] <syyl> yes
[20:34:20] <Tom_itx> k
[20:34:38] <Tom_itx> how do you clear limit switch errors when encountered?
[20:34:48] <Tom_itx> i'm using a single limit, home switch for the axis
[20:35:22] <syyl> i move it manualy from the limit switch
[20:35:30] <syyl> (as i will never hit it)
[20:35:43] <Tom_itx> well, i'm still setting this one up
[20:36:08] <Tom_itx> and have no manual knobs
[20:36:18] <JT-Shop> you just press the checkbox and jog off of the switch
[20:36:31] <Tom_itx> oh yeah. duh
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[20:38:57] <JT-Shop> well if you ain't done it yet it might not be fresh in your mind to look there
[20:39:10] <Tom_itx> i did see it though
[20:39:20] <Tom_itx> just trying to work out too many things at once
[20:40:16] <Tom_itx> G1 x1 moves your table to the left right?
[20:40:28] <Tom_itx> i think my limits are backwards on x
[20:40:37] <Tom_itx> at least to the original control
[20:41:26] <Tom_itx> and i think i have the steppers right just the switches maybe
[20:43:13] <JT-Shop> +X moves the "TOOL" to the right by whatever means is needed
[20:43:22] <Tom_itx> ok
[20:43:41] <Tom_itx> just checking :)
[20:44:08] <JT-Shop> it's good to check :)
[20:44:33] <JT-Shop> + Y moves the tool away from you
[20:44:42] <JT-Shop> + Z moves the tool up
[20:44:44] <Tom_itx> yep
[20:45:13] <Tom_itx> for some reason the x axis was reversed on the original control
[20:45:28] <Tom_itx> it moves correct but the signals are backwards
[20:45:54] <Tom_itx> i probably fixed that in hal but need to fix the limit switches now
[20:48:05] <Tom_itx> the stepper direction stuff is in the ini file right?
[20:56:14] <JT-Shop> yea, just change the sign
[20:57:55] <Tom_itx> i think it's moving right, just the switches may be backwards or something
[20:59:23] <Tom_itx> is MIN_LIMIT and MAX_LIMIT where you set up for your soft limits?
[21:00:28] <skunkworks> yes
[21:00:53] <Tom_itx> so if an axis is always positive to machine zero set MIN to 0?
[21:12:09] <skunkworks> sure
[21:21:17] <Tom_itx> you're quite agreeable
[21:23:13] <skunkworks> thank you
[21:23:17] <skunkworks> ;)
[21:23:44] <Tom_itx> problem is, i'm trying to set most of this up away from the machine
[21:23:56] <Tom_itx> so far it's been pretty close
[21:24:11] <Tom_itx> oh, i do think my scale may be off though
[21:24:48] <Tom_itx> haven't measured anything but it looks to move about half what it should be
[21:27:28] <skunkworks> I never have good luck with that.
[21:27:44] <skunkworks> that and phone support
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