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[00:09:34] * robin_sz stretches
[00:09:40] <robin_sz> is this thing on?
[00:09:49] <robin_sz> or did someone hit estop?
[00:09:49] <andypugh> Nope
[00:09:54] <robin_sz> thought as much :)
[00:10:00] <robin_sz> are you well?
[00:10:36] <robin_sz> I has been away on holiday for the summer
[00:10:43] <robin_sz> and ... riding bikes
[00:10:46] <robin_sz> odd, I know
[00:10:49] <andypugh> Largely. A bit tired, a bit drunk, and a bit frazzled by trying to make a kins module with one pin
[00:11:04] <robin_sz> only the one pin?
[00:11:45] <andypugh> Yes, so am trying to avoid a typedef struct and a hal_malloc, and I am not sure you can.
[00:11:55] <robin_sz> seems a little sparse
[00:12:16] <andypugh> I want to declare a global pointer for the pin, and hal_malloc it in a function. I am failing.
[00:12:39] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/id,13083/catid,10/limit,6/limitstart,0/lang,english/#13083
[00:13:20] <robin_sz> C axis knife cutter?
[00:13:28] <andypugh> Aye.
[00:13:50] <robin_sz> not a bad thing to do .. they are quite handy
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[00:14:20] <robin_sz> whats the name of that lot who build the big ones ... Black and White? Blackman and White?
[00:14:21] <andypugh> On the plus side I pushed drivers for 4 Mesa cards and a patch to make Hal not notice that _ and - are different, so it's been a productive evening.
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[00:14:54] <robin_sz> I have been playing with the Ducati most of the day
[00:15:06] <robin_sz> IanE's fault, he failed to put me off buying it
[00:15:25] <andypugh> He's like that
[00:15:38] <robin_sz> nice though ... quickish
[00:15:47] <andypugh> I was looking (in the interweb) at a rather nice Goldwing earlier.
[00:15:52] <robin_sz> was faster (briefly) than the unmarked police car
[00:16:06] <robin_sz> an early wing?
[00:16:15] <andypugh> That's OK, as long as they were under the limit
[00:16:26] * robin_sz shakes head
[00:16:42] <andypugh> http://www.randakks.com/Randakk%27s%20Endurance%20Special.htm
[00:16:51] <andypugh> (from that Ixion)
[00:17:17] <robin_sz> nice
[00:17:29] <robin_sz> not subbed at moment
[00:17:42] <andypugh> I have lectured a panda driver (not traffpol) about the distinction between accelleration and speed.
[00:17:45] <robin_sz> developed and allergy to social workers
[00:18:18] <robin_sz> these guys where going fast enough ... and fair and sqaure, i passed them
[00:18:27] <robin_sz> took the lecture etc
[00:18:44] <robin_sz> doing a video run for the coroners report, fatal bike at the same spot
[00:18:51] <robin_sz> and I overtook them ... not good
[00:18:56] <andypugh> Ah, bad timing.
[00:19:06] <Tom_itx> ok, i need to get my head around this spindle control only when program is paused. I'm using toggle2nist on the spindle for single button on/off
[00:19:29] <robin_sz> looks in mirror .. oh, car is still with me ... oh dear
[00:19:33] <Tom_itx> i think i need an and gate ahead of something
[00:19:42] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Sounds likely
[00:19:51] <robin_sz> anyway, let me go with a lecture, so im lucky
[00:19:58] <Tom_itx> but how to disable it when the spindle is already off
[00:19:59] <robin_sz> was first run on bike too
[00:20:13] <andypugh> "The bike made me do it, Officer"
[00:20:18] <robin_sz> zackly
[00:20:28] <robin_sz> I see adamanda has sprogged
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[00:20:49] <andypugh> Aye, less surprising than the conception, which was.
[00:20:58] * robin_sz nods
[00:21:26] <robin_sz> well done to them I say, they will have lots of fun
[00:21:26] <andypugh> Adam will be the model father for 3 years, then find something else to interest him
[00:21:32] <robin_sz> heheh
[00:21:51] <robin_sz> I dunno, I think they are well suited to it
[00:21:54] <robin_sz> anyways
[00:22:47] <robin_sz> OMG .. listen to that blower ...
[00:23:16] <andypugh> You think one of these would be good with a blower :
http://www.bikeexif.com/1921-ner-a-car
[00:23:40] <robin_sz> no :)
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[00:24:12] <andypugh> I have one, in boxes.
[00:24:19] <robin_sz> coo
[00:24:29] <robin_sz> valuable?
[00:24:37] <andypugh> Ipaid £700
[00:24:45] <andypugh> It needs work.
[00:25:00] <robin_sz> early FF
[00:25:14] <andypugh> the first. Mine is that very model, 1921
[00:25:41] <robin_sz> hub centre steered too
[00:25:42] <andypugh> I bought it from a friend who currently owns more of them than the Syracuse Ner-a-car museum.
[00:25:46] <robin_sz> just like a Tesi
[00:26:17] <andypugh> Just like a Tesi apart from being competent, well made, effective....
[00:26:26] <robin_sz> uh ...
[00:26:32] <robin_sz> I'll take the tesi
[00:26:48] <andypugh> So would I, in a straight swap
[00:27:16] <robin_sz> the Tesi3 is supposed to be OK
[00:27:52] <andypugh> The ner-a-car hub is stupid. a 2" long king-pin in bronze bushes. Lucky there are no front brakes, they would snap the king-pin
[00:28:04] * robin_sz nods
[00:28:27] <robin_sz> luckily it wont be moving fast either
[00:29:39] <andypugh> They do almost 4.5 ft/sec
[00:30:07] <robin_sz> almost ...
[00:30:07] <andypugh> (no, that can't be right)
[00:30:14] <robin_sz> could be
[00:30:45] <andypugh> 45 ft/s
[00:30:58] <robin_sz> theres what I got:
[00:30:59] <robin_sz> https://picasaweb.google.com/robin.szemeti/Bikes?authkey=Gv1sRgCObThsOs1P_ZJg#5648953317425680802
[00:31:08] <robin_sz> 45 .. wassat .. 60mph?
[00:31:13] <andypugh> 30
[00:31:29] <robin_sz> fast enough for no front brakes
[00:31:51] <robin_sz> apart from the crap yellow wheels, I likes it
[00:32:06] <andypugh> I'll take the Beta of your hands if you are not using it...
[00:32:13] <robin_sz> heh
[00:32:27] <robin_sz> I play on it from time to time
[00:32:35] <robin_sz> hoping to try a trial or two this winter
[00:32:59] <robin_sz> very competent little bike
[00:33:15] <robin_sz> incredible torqu
[00:33:41] <andypugh> I have a disfunctional thumb after messing about in the Hafren Forest (and failing) sunday week.
[00:34:06] <robin_sz> clutch sticks, bang it into gear with the brakes on ... off it goes, pushing front wheel on a closed throttle
[00:34:08] <andypugh> It really ought to be better than this after 11 days.
[00:34:13] <robin_sz> oopsie
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[00:34:24] <robin_sz> we ae getting older and no longer heal
[00:34:28] <robin_sz> like we used to
[00:34:56] <robin_sz> clutch failed on the Duc ..
[00:35:03] <andypugh> My GasGas has a sticky clutch problem too. I have got used to dismantling it with the cordless drill
[00:35:09] <robin_sz> heh
[00:35:26] <robin_sz> so, clutch pressure plate bearing seized
[00:35:37] <robin_sz> pushrod must have been spining for ages
[00:35:51] <robin_sz> I noticed clutch bit was not consistent
[00:36:07] <robin_sz> pushrod had worn through slave cylinder piston
[00:36:37] <andypugh> That's sub-optimal
[00:36:45] <robin_sz> that was an amusingone .. "why the hell is clutch fluid coming out of there?"
[00:37:19] <robin_sz> beta is OK if you can be arsed to sit with clutch in for 10 minutes
[00:37:21] <robin_sz> I cant
[00:37:38] <andypugh> The GasGas had that too, bit as it was coincident with the chain coming off, and the clutch cylinder separating from the engine, it was less of a mystery.
[00:37:39] <robin_sz> bang it in, ride until it frees off
[00:37:53] <robin_sz> heh
[00:38:22] <robin_sz> reminds me .. I have a teeny split in the intake rubber
[00:38:32] <robin_sz> where rubber joins metal .. just parted
[00:38:38] <andypugh> Superglue
[00:38:47] <robin_sz> think?
[00:38:51] <robin_sz> okies
[00:38:59] <robin_sz> I suppose metal is non flexible
[00:39:05] <robin_sz> wont crack off
[00:40:18] <andypugh> My dad repaired the suspension bush of our Princess with superglue before a holiday to Perpignan (well, slightly after the start, it came adrift 5 miles from home, we went back, glued it up, clamped it tight for 20 mins, had a cup of tea, did the trip, and another 30k miles
[00:40:58] <robin_sz> fairy nuff
[00:41:23] <robin_sz> I shall attack it with brake cleaner and superglue
[00:41:50] <andypugh> And I will attack bed with a glazed expression and yawns.
[00:41:55] <andypugh> See you next time.
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[00:41:59] <robin_sz> yep
[00:42:03] <robin_sz> g'night
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[05:43:11] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[06:35:47] <Jymmm> Worse survival kit EVER...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WmVWr1hI7Y&feature=related
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[07:11:13] <Loetmichel> moin aus der firma
[07:11:51] <Loetmichel> well... mornin' from work
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[07:52:17] <cnc> do i need a line in the hal file to link an index pin from an encoder to the rest of emc somehow?
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[07:53:01] <awallin_> Valen_cnc: depends. are you using some automagic configurator?
[07:53:09] <Valen_cnc> nope
[07:53:28] <Valen_cnc> an old old sample config for hm2_servo
[07:53:46] <Valen_cnc> i see net lines for position and such
[07:53:53] <Valen_cnc> but nothing mentioning index
[07:54:56] <Valen_cnc> http://pastebin.com/WLK9N2jN is the axis inquestion
[07:56:32] <awallin_> there's axis.N.index-enable. but I'm not sure where the actual index signal should go
[07:56:49] <Valen_cnc> i think it runs off that actually
[07:57:38] <awallin_> yeah, that's probably right. in the encoder docs: When true, counts and position are reset to zero on the next rising edge of Phase-Z. At the same time, index-enable is reset to zero to indicate that the rising edge has occurred.
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[07:58:53] <Valen_cnc> i'm not 100% on these scales having an index
[07:59:03] <Valen_cnc> i think they don't but they do have a wire for it
[07:59:20] <awallin_> rotary encoders usually do have idx..
[07:59:32] <Valen_cnc> this is linear scale
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[08:00:06] <awallin_> ok, can you scope the idx-wire while you move it slooow
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[08:00:34] <Valen_cnc> tried that no luck
[08:00:45] <Valen_cnc> they are .001 mm scales
[08:01:20] <Valen_cnc> in that hal there is no net for the index-enable line that i could see either
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[08:03:25] <awallin_> I'm not sure how index-homing is done on machines with scales. do you still have a rotary encoder on the motor?
[08:04:10] <Valen_cnc> no
[08:04:14] <Valen_cnc> jut scales
[08:04:28] <awallin_> if you have the physical wire connected to your hm2 board, then all you need is a HAL-connection from the encoder comp to axis.N.index-enable
[08:04:31] <Valen_cnc> but aparently the scales have an index pulse
[08:04:47] <awallin_> which you have never seen ... :) ?
[08:04:49] <Valen_cnc> yeah i think i'm missing that line
[08:05:15] <Valen_cnc> yes,but the chinese generally wont spring for a wire that they don't use ;-P
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[08:41:29] <Valen_cnc> sweet
[08:41:35] <Valen_cnc> think i got it
[08:41:51] <Valen_cnc> net Zindex-enable hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.encoder.02.index-enable <=> axis.2.index-enable
[08:41:55] <Valen_cnc> needed to be added
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[15:42:01] <isssy> hi all
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[17:28:34] <IchGuckLive> Hi all her from the cold Germany
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[17:32:35] <IchGuckLive> http://euroschall.de/stcut_komp.jpg This is the mashine in building state
[17:37:28] <A2Sheds> IchGuckLive: It can't be that cold yet. What is the machine going to do?
[17:37:57] <syyl_> 3500x2500pixels big?
[17:38:04] <syyl_> funny
[17:40:54] <Tom_itx> wobbly
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[17:41:27] <IchGuckLive> A2Sheds: styrocut
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[17:42:34] <IchGuckLive> my overal problem is now the waiting toll china parts arive
[17:43:23] <IchGuckLive> if i use standard axis XYBUV does the Umove like iso with the X cause iso says U mounted on X
[17:43:36] <IchGuckLive> or is the movement more like X1 X2
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[17:44:43] <IchGuckLive> better if i g-code G1 X20 U10
[17:44:45] <A2Sheds> ahha, that explains the wire
[17:44:49] <IchGuckLive> does u then move 30
[17:46:15] <IchGuckLive> so are XU and YV connected in the Axis module ?
[17:46:40] <IchGuckLive> EDM work that way
[17:46:55] <IchGuckLive> but i need full control of all 5 Axes
[17:48:43] <IchGuckLive> syyl_: the mashine is 2mx2m wire is 6m long with 400N tention
[17:49:19] <IchGuckLive> 32V 8A on the wire 0.5mm
[17:51:21] <syyl_> i am talking of the picture
[17:51:29] <IchGuckLive> B)
[17:51:44] <IchGuckLive> syyl_ A4 out of the cad
[17:52:01] <IchGuckLive> at 300pix
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[18:00:43] <pcw_home> Now if you could only invent a metal with negative coefficient of resistivity
[18:00:45] <pcw_home> to keep the wire temperature equal regardless of load (w/constant current supply)
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[18:04:35] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: that works we tryd this with a frame
[18:05:22] <IchGuckLive> smoth movement at 250mm/min works fine on 4.5m styropart
[18:06:18] <IchGuckLive> we workt with 3 people manuell
[18:07:12] <IchGuckLive> 1 called the movement ad conted the speeed 100mm 200 mm ....
[18:08:33] <IchGuckLive> now i try this on automuve 5 Axis B is rotatoing the part
[18:09:09] <IchGuckLive> ok we will see if the parts arrive in 3 weks time
[18:10:01] <IchGuckLive> BY for today
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[18:25:33] <automata_> Hi
[18:25:59] <automata_> is there a maximum number of O words you can have per Gcode File??
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[18:28:21] <cradek> I don't think so.
[18:28:21] <automata_> I have about 1000 in a file... and the file errors out after a while saying too many o words
[18:28:31] <cradek> ok, then yes
[18:28:59] <automata_> The exact error message is "Too many owords"
[18:29:20] <automata_> Is there a way to increase the number of Owords that can be processed??
[18:29:58] <cradek> do you mean "Too many oword labels"?
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[18:30:11] <automata_> Yes too many word labels...
[18:30:19] <automata_> oword
[18:30:24] <cradek> it does look like the limit is 1000. Yes you could increase it and rebuild.
[18:30:41] <automata_> I will try that....
[18:31:13] <automata_> My Real problem is this: I am running EMC remotely from a windows computer...
[18:32:27] <automata_> I am using an emcrsh type interface... and I have written a status updater which scans the EMC status buffer and sends back updates to a client program...
[18:34:09] <automata_> Further I need to wait for input from the user at many different points in the program. This is so that the user can tell the machine to go to the next step...
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[18:35:40] <automata__> cradek: are you still listening?
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[18:36:20] <cradek> yes, hoping to understand how/why this all relates to the problem
[18:37:38] <automata__> I am setting Owords for infinite wait subroutines
[18:38:22] <automata__> This is done like: M66 P0 L2 Q100 ( HoleNum:9 )
[18:38:22] <automata__> O109 while [#5399 EQ -1] ( HoleNum:9 )
[18:38:23] <automata__> M66 P0 L2 Q100 ( HoleNum:9 )
[18:38:23] <automata__> O109 endwhile ( HoleNum:9 )
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[18:39:23] <automata__> where Holenum:9 is parsed by the client on Windows machine after receiving a ProgramLine change from the update status polling program
[18:40:41] <cradek> this sounds a bit bizarre
[18:40:57] <cradek> to pause until the operator resumes, you should use M0/M1
[18:40:59] <automata__> yes it is really bizzare...
[18:41:16] <automata__> Ok
[18:42:12] <cradek> but I have no idea how that fits in with your windows program
[18:42:51] <automata__> I need to restart the program when an input is sensed...
[18:43:40] <automata__> From the windows program I am sending a Gcode file via an sftp session which is then opened by emc on the linux PC
[18:45:37] <automata__> When a "Play" button is pressed on the windows program, I make the G code file from input provided by the user, Then send it to the EMC PC via SFTP and then (using emcrsh) put put the machine in Auto Mode and open the file and runit.
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[18:48:42] <automata__> I have created a similar interface for HAL using halrmt, so I can access HAL pins also from the windows program tooo...
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[18:51:24] <automata__> I guess I will first increase the Owords and then later try M0/M1 for pause till resume.. and connect the sensor input to the cycle start button...
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[20:34:54] <andypugh> I m having a bit of bother with hal_malloc.
[20:35:08] <andypugh> HAL: ERROR: pin_new(tangentkins.auto) called with already-initialized memory
[20:35:26] <andypugh> Now, I know why this is, but I am wondering if there is a way round it?
[20:36:17] <andypugh> I am trying to create a pointer with global module scope that points to a HAL pin (in the normal way). But I was hoping not to have to wrap it up in a typedef struct.
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[20:56:31] <Jymmm> typedef, in... oh hal_malloc, nm
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[21:00:42] <andypugh> If I hal_malloc it before creating the pin, then pin_new complains that the memory is already initialised. If I don't hal_malloc it it complains that the data_ptr_addr is not in shared memory.
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