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[01:03:25] <mikegg> andypugh: if you catch this in the morning - http://www.quantumdev.com/products/optical_encoders/qd145.html
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[06:42:07] <Loetmichel> moin
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[11:37:10] <Jymmm> alex_joni: ping
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[11:54:42] <Jymmm> alex_joni: In SW, you said that you create new parts from within an assembly. When I sketch a new part, then go to try to EXTRUDE BOSS/BASE the option isn't available, and if I try a different way it's dimmed and can't be selected. any thoughts?
[11:56:13] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Only EXTRUDE CUT is available.
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[12:24:23] <hatch789> I have a question about mesa cards. If I purchase a 7i43 card. I would interface my computer to that card via 2 parallel port cables. But can we use just 1 parallel port since my computer does not have a second on it?
[12:25:22] <Tom_itx> one
[12:25:56] <Tom_itx> where do you get 2 parport plugs?
[12:26:13] <Tom_itx> it has 2 IDC 50 connectors out
[12:26:33] <Tom_itx> to connect to daughter cards
[12:26:45] <hatch789> oh
[12:26:53] <hatch789> ok I thought those were the parallel port connections
[12:27:00] <Tom_itx> ie port protection or specialized cards
[12:27:05] <Tom_itx> nope
[12:27:07] <Tom_itx> just one
[12:27:13] <hatch789> ok
[12:27:33] <hatch789> is it a PIN connection or the newer parallel port press fit ones?
[12:27:49] <hatch789> they're more like metal strips instead of pins
[12:27:50] <Tom_itx> it's not a DB25
[12:28:02] <Tom_itx> rather a IDC26
[12:28:15] <Tom_itx> with their cable converts to a DB25 for your PC
[12:28:47] <hatch789> so the 7i43 comes with a cable?
[12:28:49] <Tom_itx> so i'd get the card and their cable
[12:28:54] <Tom_itx> not that i know of
[12:28:57] <hatch789> oh
[12:28:59] <Tom_itx> you should ask for it
[12:29:07] <Tom_itx> i got one
[12:29:12] <hatch789> is there a pic of the side of their card?
[12:29:23] <Tom_itx> just what you see
[12:30:22] <hatch789> so my normal parallel cable will not work I need a parallel cable to db25 connector?
[12:30:34] <Jymmm> ols skool internal SCSI cable
[12:30:45] <Tom_itx> DB25 to IDC 26
[12:30:46] <Tom_itx> yes
[12:31:04] <Tom_itx> and the IDC50 are the old SCSI like Jymmm says
[12:31:44] <Jymmm> Parallel == http://m2.sourcingmap.com/smapimg/en/n/09c/parallel-port-cable-db25-female-pin-idc-socket-53242n.jpg
[12:32:24] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/cnc/pendant.jpg
[12:32:33] <Tom_itx> there's a pic of mine with a daughter card on it
[12:32:37] <hatch789> OK I have one or two of those lying around somewhere
[12:33:06] <Jymmm> hatch789: Realize that those have two different pinouts ont he IDC connector side
[12:33:22] <Tom_itx> which does?
[12:33:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: DB25 to IDC (depending on the orientation of the ribbon cable)
[12:33:54] <Tom_itx> well of course
[12:34:14] <Tom_itx> if you do it wrong you might have to stand on your head to use it
[12:34:31] <hatch789> I would have to rip the one out that is on the printer side. I have plenty of old printers I can rip the connector out of
[12:34:37] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: some are keyed
[12:34:40] <Tom_itx> just get one from them
[12:34:44] <Tom_itx> it's cheap
[12:34:49] <hatch789> ok
[12:34:56] <Tom_itx> like $200 or so
[12:34:58] <Tom_itx> :)
[12:35:02] <Tom_itx> kidding
[12:35:04] <hatch789> lol
[12:35:14] <Jymmm> ($99.87)
[12:35:30] <Tom_itx> iirc it was ~3-6 bucks
[12:35:32] <hatch789> ok now 5i20 or 5i22.... I was considering one of those instead of a 7i43 card simply because it has more I/O options
[12:35:52] <Tom_itx> it's PCI
[12:36:08] <hatch789> meaning I can plug it directly into my pc?
[12:36:10] <Tom_itx> and some of those cost considerablly more
[12:36:12] <Tom_itx> yes
[12:36:14] <jdhNC> I got a 5i23 for some reason
[12:36:30] <hatch789> so there's no cable to connect it
[12:36:39] <Tom_itx> just to daughter cards
[12:36:53] <Jymmm> hatch789: If you're buying shiny brand new, avoid paraport and go for PCI instead IMNSHO
[12:37:05] <Tom_itx> i think anyway.. i don't have any 5ixx cards
[12:37:40] <Tom_itx> Jymmm has govt funding too. he doesn't care about the cost
[12:38:27] <hatch789> well the 5i cards are a lot more money. I was trying to keep costs down
[12:38:30] <Tom_itx> if i were to do it over, i'd probably get a 5ixx card too though
[12:38:38] <jdhNC> 5i25 looks pretty cheap
[12:38:41] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: It's not cost, it's availability of paraport down the road (much less now for that matter). Mobo are cheap in comparision if needing to be replaced down the road.
[12:38:45] <Tom_itx> the 7i43 is a good cost effective board
[12:39:06] <Tom_itx> so get an atom board with it onboard
[12:39:53] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: They may not have them in 18months
[12:40:19] <Jymmm> Alot easier to find a PCI slot than a paraport
[12:41:04] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Oh, and the guberments is broke btw
[12:42:47] <hatch789> 5i25 has less i/o ports than a 7i43... it has 40 vs 48 on the 7i43 board ...am I reading that correctly
[12:43:47] <jdhNC> I thought it had 34, but I could be wrong.
[12:43:52] <jdhNC> it is cheap, pci, non-parport
[12:43:54] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, isn't the idea of the new 5ixx board a cheaper version of it with fewer io?
[12:44:06] <Tom_itx> i don't know the number
[12:44:31] <Tom_itx> hatch789, i think that's the new board i'm referring to
[12:44:34] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I dont recall, yo pcx where you be at?
[12:44:35] <Tom_itx> not for sure
[12:44:40] <Tom_itx> PCX!
[12:44:47] <Tom_itx> PCW!
[12:45:02] <Tom_itx> or andy
[12:45:14] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: another 2h or so
[12:45:56] <Tom_itx> so if you want PCI but don't need alot of io that would be the way to go
[12:45:59] <jdhNC> the pdf price list says $89. The external port is a DB25 and pin compatible with normal breakout boards
[12:46:49] <Tom_itx> not sure about the driver status either..
[12:47:28] <hatch789> you mean there may not be a driver for the 5i25 yet?
[12:47:43] <Tom_itx> i think there is but you should ask
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[12:48:13] <hatch789> ok AFK a bit ...
[12:49:07] <Loetmichel> *SHI**... fo information: NEVER use a Laserjet 1200 to print a self adhesive label for drilling positions!
[12:49:49] * Loetmichel had done this for some holes in a aluminium Keyboard case. and had to file MUCH to get the pcb Fitting on the bolts.
[12:50:55] <Loetmichel> the last cases i made tha labe with an bubblejet: Fits like al glove to the PCB, measured: the Laserjet has misplaced the holes on the label about 2,5mm
[12:51:20] <Loetmichel> i.e. the left hole row and the richt hole row are 2,5mm out of right angle
[12:51:36] <Tom_itx> you should calibrate it as a plotter before you do
[12:51:55] <Tom_itx> but as a rule for accuracy don't do it
[12:52:06] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: its in the mechanics of the printer: the heated paper isnd going through straight
[12:52:13] <Tom_itx> oh
[12:52:24] <Tom_itx> that sux
[12:52:51] <Loetmichel> the printout ist the right lenght and width, bur "sheared" 2,5 mm on the short side of the paper
[12:53:01] <Tom_itx> i found that out when i do double sided pcboards with laser toner. i gotta be real careful with alignment
[12:53:28] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Do you have a ruler on the printout?
[12:53:30] <Loetmichel> so that a squre mutates to a parallelogram
[12:54:17] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: no, but i had printed a 5mm by 5mm square paper with it and put beyond a transparent mm-paper
[12:54:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: what did you use to design the drawing you printed?
[12:55:34] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: FWIW, Using pure PS, I've never had a registration/scaling issue like that.
[12:56:07] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: PS == PostScript
[12:57:06] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: corelDraw
[12:57:15] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: version?
[12:57:24] <Loetmichel> seven
[12:57:28] <Jymmm> ewwwwwwwwwwww
[12:57:38] <Loetmichel> it IS the printer
[12:57:49] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: did you check the driver settings?
[12:57:53] <Loetmichel> maybe it has seen a little much dirt...
[12:58:05] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: it IS the printer. definetly
[12:58:18] <Tom_itx> Jymmm he said the paper doesn't feed right
[12:58:28] <Tom_itx> that's not a driver issue
[12:58:43] <Jymmm> I missed the paper feed issue.
[12:58:43] <Loetmichel> if i print the same file on a Bubblejet with the same computer: no shearing measureable
[12:59:04] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: you're using the pass-thru slot?
[12:59:05] <Loetmichel> its not to small or to big
[12:59:45] <Loetmichel> the left and the right side of the printer are not "in sync", esulting in a "sheared" image
[13:00:01] <Loetmichel> no, the paper cartridge
[13:00:03] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: which printer?
[13:00:08] <Loetmichel> Laerjet1200
[13:00:12] <Loetmichel> +s
[13:00:31] <Loetmichel> i KNOW that lasers are prone to this "shearing".
[13:00:31] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Use the pass-thru slot not the paper tray
[13:00:58] <Loetmichel> but i wouldnt belive it is THAT much untiol i saw it here
[13:00:59] <Jymmm> and open the rear door (if applicable)
[13:02:08] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i simple use3 the bubblejetprinter standing next to the LJ1200
[13:02:40] <Jymmm> k
[13:02:55] <Loetmichel> i just wanted to warn the others to check their laserprints if they use them for precise labels
[13:03:30] <Jymmm> http://www.printertechs.com/tech/mkinst/mk-1200-6fuser2.php
[13:13:31] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: 5i25
[13:13:49] <hatch789> ok I'm back
[13:19:35] <hatch789> so 5i25 board ...we were talking about that and I was considering that for my EMC2 retrofit
[13:20:59] <Tom_itx> just decide if it has enough io
[13:21:15] <Tom_itx> and ask PCW if there are drivers for it and any daughter cards you need
[13:22:26] <hatch789> if not that then the 5i20 looks like my next "cheapest" bet... and I think that one definitely has drivers ...right?
[13:26:12] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i dismantle printers and PCs fopr a living... i KNOW how to do that. but i think this shearing is systemic, becaus the second and third lj1200 printer here in my office i tested are doing the same. More ore less shearing in the range of 1,5-2,5mm
[13:26:24] <Loetmichel> for a normal letter sized paper
[13:28:15] <hatch789> if I got a 5i20 board it looks like all I need is the AIO cables for my daughter boards. I think the 5i20 also supplies power to the daughter boards? Am I reading that correctly? -No external power required if I use 5i20
[13:29:02] <Tom_itx> depending how much power you need
[13:29:17] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure about the 5ixx boards and supplying power
[13:30:04] <hatch789> hmm
[13:30:11] <Tom_itx> i think most daughter cards have a jumper for power source
[13:30:16] <Tom_itx> external or thru the cable
[13:30:21] <Tom_itx> don't quote me on that
[13:40:49] <JT-Shop> hatch789: 5i20 + 50 pin cables + daughter cards
[13:41:36] * Tom_itx requests a tardy slip from JT-Shop
[13:41:50] <hatch789> yeah that's what I am thinking. If I want to save 100 bucks I could go with 7i43-U-4 instead of the 5i20 though. But 5i20 is nice because it's PCI and has more I/O
[13:45:39] * JT-Shop doesn't have a watch
[13:47:24] * JT-Shop waits for the 5i25/7i76 to upgrade the plasma and use the 5i20 from it for the BP
[13:47:54] <hatch789> what is BP?
[13:47:59] <Tom_itx> bridgeport?
[13:51:12] <JT-Shop> yea, series 1 with an Anilam 3 axis CNC conversion on it already
[13:51:40] <hatch789> why will the 5i25 be an upgrade for your plasma?
[13:51:51] <hatch789> seems like less I/O then the 5i20
[13:52:22] <JT-Shop> well it frees up the 5i20 for me and is very compact and has a nice cable from the 5i25 to the 7i76
[13:52:50] * JT-Shop goes to play with the dog a while
[13:54:42] <hatch789> what is the 7i76? I don't see it in the price list?
[13:56:41] <jthornton> read the description of the 5i25
[13:58:13] <skunkworks> Well - the K&T rigid taps 10-32 just great.
[14:00:32] <cradek> have you done 4-40 yet?
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[14:09:55] <hatch789> cncbasher: Hey there! :)
[14:09:59] <cncbasher> hi
[14:10:27] <skunkworks> cradek: no... not yet. ;)
[14:10:29] <hatch789> cncbasher: so when we chatted by skype today I didn't realize the 5i20 is PCI. That makes it kind of cool
[14:10:47] <cncbasher> haha i told ya that days ago
[14:11:03] <skunkworks> cradek: those are still 'by hand' tapping operations
[14:11:10] <hatch789> I didn't remember ...sorry!
[14:11:40] <cncbasher> dont worry just get the boards , the rest is easy
[14:12:24] <cncbasher> 1 year getting the machine and another 2 thinking how to convert it
[14:12:35] <hatch789> so can the 5i20 power the daughter boards 7i33TA and 7i42TA or will I still need an external power supply?
[14:12:54] <hatch789> it won't take me a year :) LOL
[14:13:13] <cncbasher> yes it can , however i'd power the daughter boards seperatly
[14:13:35] <hatch789> OK.
[14:14:29] <hatch789> So I will need 2 of the 50 pin cables for my daughter boards... right?
[14:15:18] <cncbasher> yes one for each daughter card
[14:17:50] <cncbasher> once you have the boards should only take you 2 days max to convert it
[14:17:52] * JT-Shop looks for a gantry to pick up the gantry
[14:18:02] <hatch789> how do you use the additional I/O if a port is taken up by the cable for a daughter card? -I guess what I'm saying is where does the i/o plug in at?
[14:18:22] <hatch789> in my example I have a 7i33TA and 7i42TA card
[14:18:30] <hatch789> let's say I want to hook my mist cooler up
[14:18:40] <cncbasher> the daughter cards connect to the 5i20 by the ribbon cables
[14:19:11] <cncbasher> the daughter cards have screw terminals for your relays etc
[14:19:29] <hatch789> so I connect the mist cooler to the 7i42TA card then?
[14:19:39] <JT-Shop> if you order the TA cards they do
[14:19:42] <cncbasher> yes
[14:21:17] <hatch789> ok... question why does the 7i42TA card have 2 50pin connectors on it?
[14:21:41] <cncbasher> hatch789:by the time youv'e thought about it you'll have it connected up
[14:22:02] <hatch789> cncbasher: I know :) I'm pretty sure this part will go quickly
[14:22:27] <hatch789> cncbasher: Just making sure I get everything I need so I don't have to wait an additional week or two for more parts
[14:23:08] <cncbasher> dont worry you have everything
[14:23:57] <cncbasher> hatch789:no nothing else is needed
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[14:46:35] <JT-Shop> 28" to go
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[15:30:33] <JT-Shop> me beam up Scotty
[15:33:32] <skunkworks> ummm....
[15:35:43] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/172585
[15:37:33] <jdhNC> http://i.imgur.com/p0Hax.png
[15:44:00] <TekniQue> hahahhaah
[15:44:32] <JT-Shop> the things guys will do to get their cherry picker unhooked from a beam http://imagebin.org/172586
[15:46:11] <JT-Shop> oh so close http://imagebin.org/172587
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[15:48:50] <Loetmichel> jdhNC: MUHARHAR!
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[16:21:04] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: nice!
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[16:23:01] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDUv0kKAfH0
[16:23:57] * Jymmm waits till JT-Shop does this... http://i54.tinypic.com/2r5rfcw.jpg
[16:29:58] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: You going to put on an electric or chain winch on that?
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[17:11:19] <IchGuckLive> Hi folks
[17:11:32] <IchGuckLive> im in a little trubble
[17:11:51] <IchGuckLive> i got 2 motors on eatch X/Y
[17:12:06] <IchGuckLive> 1 on eatch side 3m span
[17:12:36] <IchGuckLive> ther is no connection between them as i also drive this over different amps
[17:12:41] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: 800-BAD-BOYS Bail Bonds... "Becauwe your Momma wants you home!" http://www.badboysbailbonds.com/
[17:12:53] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: err 800-BAIL-OUT
[17:13:58] <IchGuckLive> i only want to now if i can do hal code to give the X step Dir to 2 pins at the 25SubD
[17:14:28] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAY83HIL-Jg&feature=player_embedded
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[17:15:23] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: this is the emc support channel no fun channel !
[17:17:13] <IchGuckLive> i guess i will use 4 Axis setup XYUV
[17:17:31] <IchGuckLive> so i can home and correct every Axis itself
[17:18:30] <IchGuckLive> then use a PYthon code that will duplicate XY to UV in the N sentence line
[17:18:38] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: lol
[17:18:43] <IchGuckLive> for parallel moving
[17:20:22] <IchGuckLive> does Axis show the moves of UV axes ?
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[17:23:42] <IchGuckLive> is there enywhere a example how to build a sim mashine ?
[17:38:40] <IchGuckLive> ok no answer !
[17:38:43] <IchGuckLive> by
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[17:42:34] <syyl_> strange guy
[17:42:58] <andypugh> I could possibly have answered too.
[17:43:13] <andypugh> I suppose I was 20 minutes late.
[17:43:31] <syyl_> hr
[17:43:47] <syyl_> should not be your problem ;)
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[18:36:35] <JT-Shop> skunkworks: thanks
[18:36:48] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: two 3 ton chain falls go on the gantry
[18:37:28] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: two tandem electric with remote control???
[18:38:06] <JT-Shop> yea, just send them to me and I'll wire them up
[18:39:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Per your request... http://www.harborfreight.com/12-volt-electric-winch-39997.html
[18:40:07] <JT-Shop> got any 120vac ones
[18:40:28] <JT-Shop> that is not for lifting
[18:42:43] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://www.harborfreight.com/1300-lb-capacity-electric-hoist-2954.html
[18:44:09] <Jymmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/1-ton-telescoping-gantry-crane-41188.html
[18:44:31] <Jymmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/1-ton-push-trolley-97392.html
[18:45:29] <JT-Shop> that is cheap enough to mount over my plasma to handle 1/2 sheets
[18:45:42] <Jymmm> which?
[18:46:03] <Jymmm> hoist? trolly? gantry?
[18:47:23] <archivist> JT-Shop, all that effort...gantry in good condition walked into my local scrap yard today
[18:47:46] <archivist> and got sold while I was there!
[18:49:32] <JT-Shop> did you buy it or someone else
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[18:51:07] <archivist> someone else snagged it
[18:53:42] <archivist> I did snag a pretty little Starrett thickness gauge that was sitting in a wheelbarrow from the same load
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[19:01:59] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I dont mean to be funny, but why so narrow? I see about 18+ additional inches available.
[19:02:27] <skunkworks> probably so he can lift off the ends a bit.
[19:03:40] <Jymmm> skunkworks: wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?
[19:07:42] <skunkworks> should be able to calculate the weight that could be lifted before the other side comes up :)
[19:08:00] <Jymmm> (famous last words) lol
[19:08:06] <archivist> fill the tubing with lead
[19:09:53] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I only mentioned the electric winch to be lazy, I think chain winches are safer imo.
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[19:17:39] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: it is adjustable to whatever width I want
[19:18:14] <Jymmm> In SW if have drawn a "left" sided part, is there a way to convert it to a "right" sided part ?
[19:18:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: ah, ok
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[19:18:37] <JT-Shop> just spin it around
[19:18:42] <archivist> mirror
[19:19:35] <JT-Shop> Tools/Sketch Tools/Modify while the sketch is open and you can rotate it
[19:19:56] <archivist> there is a serious difference between a rotation and a mirror
[19:20:19] <Jymmm> archivist: I can only get mirror to work on faces, not the entire part
[19:20:38] <DaViruz> select the part in the feature manager
[19:20:52] <DaViruz> when it asks for the feature to mirror
[19:21:33] <DaViruz> that is the parant of the part tree in the feature manager
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[19:23:06] <Jymmm> DaViruz: Well, I now have a double-thick mirror... oh so close =)
[19:23:44] <Jymmm> DaViruz: I think I selected the wrong face to mirror.
[19:23:50] <archivist> now remove the original
[19:31:55] <JT-Shop> archivist: I must have misunderstood what he was trying to do
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[19:34:53] <archivist> :)
[19:36:12] <Jymmm> Ty btw
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[19:50:51] <davidf> Hi...
[19:52:00] <davidf> Got a problem. After booting and logging in, I get numerous dialogs popping up telling me "An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for Gnome. some of your configuration settings may not work properly."
[19:53:10] <davidf> Same for Nautilus, and basicly anything that tries to run. Then I get the desktop but with a black background and no Gnome menus or anything. Can't even run terminal. Any help?
[19:53:15] <archivist> distro problems in #yourdistro
[19:53:51] <archivist> and tell them exact error messages
[19:54:04] <davidf> archivist, thanks, don't understand though.
[19:54:35] <davidf> Oh I should ask there.
[19:54:38] <archivist> your question does not appear emc related
[19:54:43] <davidf> OK.
[19:54:56] <andypugh> Though it sounds like a permissions problem
[19:54:58] <davidf> It's my emc box but you're right.
[19:55:34] <cradek> is it freshly installed or previously working and newly broken?
[19:55:44] <davidf> Nothing's changed since last time it ran fine. I thought a corrupted config file of some kind might be the problem
[19:56:12] <davidf> previously working, newly broken.
[19:56:18] <cradek> I suggest that you back up your emc configurations to external media now
[19:56:35] <davidf> OK.
[19:56:50] <cradek> I say that because if it worked yesterday and doesn't today, it's usually hardware (unless you're using Windows, where it can also be software)
[19:57:10] <davidf> I could back up everything and reindstall I guess.
[19:57:27] <davidf> I figured it is the HD crapping out.
[19:57:28] <cradek> check dmesg for messages from a failing hard disk
[19:57:33] <psha> davidf: looks like gconf corruption
[19:57:49] <psha> probably caused by improper shutdown or disk failure
[19:57:55] <archivist> has it come up readonly due to a disk problem
[19:58:00] <davidf> psha, know where the file is?
[19:58:19] <davidf> Cradek, how to run a terminal with no Gnome?
[19:58:47] <cradek> ctrl-alt-f1
[19:59:16] <davidf> OhOh. yesterday I accidentally cut the power before shutting down
[19:59:29] <davidf> cradek, thanks
[20:00:14] <cradek> with ext3 nowadays, bad shutdown isn't any trouble.
[20:00:26] <davidf> should be a backup of gconf file? is that the exact name?
[20:00:31] <psha> davidf: .gconf probably, but there are lot of .xml files there
[20:00:55] <psha> you may try to kill them all and start from the scratch
[20:01:15] <psha> (not kill really but rename to .gconf-backup .gconfd-backup
[20:01:31] <davidf> right
[20:02:10] <davidf> will that be in my home directory or /etc
[20:02:20] <psha> home
[20:02:58] <davidf> ok thanks loads. I'll have a go at that. I appreciate it even tho OT.
[20:03:20] <davidf> bbl
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[20:44:44] <ve7it> Jymmm, latest project from stainless steel! http://www.flickr.com/photos/64111811@N00/6151217206/in/photostream/
[20:45:48] <andypugh> Fish murderer!
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[20:46:43] <ve7it> keeps me off the streets!
[20:48:00] <jdhNC> http://www.nofishing.net/
[20:49:25] <Jymmm> Did you know crossing the street causes cancer?
[20:49:48] <Jymmm> ve7it: Nice, where did you find SS split rings?
[20:49:49] <jdhNC> they used to have a great coloring book for kids about no fishing
[20:50:17] <jdhNC> one panel was like "If daddy will do that to a fish, what might he do to you?"
[20:50:40] <ve7it> Jymmm, ... the fishing tackle store
[20:51:36] <ve7it> It will be interesting if the local fish go for the fat boy made from the spoon.... the local feeder fish are mostly herring.. long and skinny
[20:52:00] <jdhNC> might work for spanish mackeral here
[20:52:40] <ve7it> the local cod seem to bite anything moves
[20:53:05] <jdhNC> sounds cold
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[20:53:28] <jdhNC> beach temp here is still 28C :)
[20:53:57] <ve7it> about 20c here.. still nice
[20:55:23] <ve7it> it was only 12C when I went fishing the other morning.... kind of cool for fishing in a kayak in a bathing suit
[21:00:02] <andypugh> That depends on the bathing suit, I imagine.
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[21:06:58] <JT-Shop> ve7it: nice!
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[22:35:57] <tom3p> ve7it, are you controlling that dual spool valve card with emc?
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[23:03:21] <ve7it> tom3p, no, that was an old multibus 2 servo card design I worked on in the 80's
[23:04:48] <tom3p> thx, i thought you might use pwm and a linear scale for feedback. someone recently talked of hyd servos.
[23:06:07] <andypugh> Is it possible to install the debs on a LiveCD boot? I am thinking not.
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[23:13:56] <tom3p> not sure of the question. i installed Midnight Commander once on a live boot session. it ran, but of course went away at power down (from a thumb drive using gdebi)
[23:16:20] <tom3p> best o luck!
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[23:27:25] <mikegg> hey andy, I'm 100% back on after making the switch to 7i39
[23:27:35] <mikegg> I swapped out that bad encoder with a spare
[23:28:10] <mikegg> still in trapezoidal mode, but it's a definite improvement over the old drives
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[23:28:53] <andypugh> Good.
[23:29:40] <andypugh> It should just be a case of hooking up the encoder and adding a q to the bldc config to get it working in sinusoidal mode
[23:29:56] <mikegg> ooooooh, don'
[23:29:59] <mikegg> t tempt me~
[23:30:01] <mikegg> !
[23:30:02] <andypugh> (and setting an encoder scale, I suppose)
[23:30:09] <mikegg> I've got to make some parts!
[23:30:18] <andypugh> Trapezoidal mode is fine.
[23:30:33] <andypugh> Who really cares about 13% ripple?
[23:30:39] <mikegg> i'm sure I'll get there eventually.
[23:32:00] <mikegg> is there a current feed back with the 7i39 somehow?
[23:35:09] <mikegg> the best part is that I've got a pretty good tune, and the machine no longer buzzes at you
[23:43:23] <andypugh> mikegg: I think there is a way.
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