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[02:45:02] <RyanS> I'm a little confused by feed rates... one guide says 14 M/min for mild steel, 20cm each second??! That doesn't sound right
[02:45:37] <jdhNC> I'd be confused too. Why doesn't everyone use normal units like feet and inches.
[02:45:57] <cradek> that's probably surface speed, not a feed rate
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[02:46:28] <cradek> but even with just HSS tooling you can go twice that fast, especially with coolant
[02:47:24] <nicko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication#Chronology_and_status_of_conversion_by_country
[02:49:28] <RyanS> What about manaul mill, would have to be winding the axis like no one's business, not to mention going too far at high speed
[02:49:57] <RyanS> I'm from Australia, we use a sensible system of measurement :)
[02:50:03] <jdhNC> nicko: sorry, I was kidding... I'm a metric fan (usually(
[02:50:20] <cradek> google for "surface speed". You are not understanding how that is different from feed rate
[02:50:33] <cradek> it has more to do with the spinning of the cutter (or workpiece on a lathe) than any axis motion
[02:52:20] <nicko> Just came back from Melbourne Ryan
[02:52:24] <nicko> where are you ?
[02:52:50] <RyanS> oh this is the rotational and cutting spreed I was looking at, nvm :)
[02:53:10] <RyanS> I live about 10 minutes drive from the airport
[02:54:57] <RyanS> Melbourne International
[02:56:51] <RyanS> I guess what I'm asking is on a manual milling machine do you not worry about feed rates? I can't imagine how you could accurately work out how fast you are moving the X or Y axis on the fly
[02:57:14] <RyanS> Let alone maintaining a constant speed by hand
[02:58:01] <jdhNC> and how to prevent flaws when you stop to rewind your hand
[02:59:31] <RyanS> How do they do it? CNCs have not always been around strangely enough :P
[02:59:59] <RyanS> & power feeders
[03:00:10] <jdhNC> I'm no machnist.. I've always assumed they just had 'the touch'
[03:00:13] <cradek> with practice you can maintain a fairly steady feed. You get to know the sound of the machine when it's working right, and you feed that fast
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[03:04:38] <IG-garage> mornin'
[03:05:15] <IG-garage> I learned Australia in Happy English 3.
[03:06:34] <RyanS> To use an analogy of a cabinet maker, a professional just eyeballs basic alignment and it just ends up straight because they've done it a million times, a home handyman (unless lazy) uses a ruler and pencil. What does the hobby machinist use when starting out to get even a vague idea of how fast theyre feeding?
[03:07:08] <RyanS> Happy English three?
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[03:07:15] <IG-garage> unles broken insert touches the detail too much
[03:07:23] <IG-garage> RyanS: yes, a book
[03:07:28] <IG-garage> in school
[03:11:59] <nicko> Ryan - I was staying in Coburg ...
[03:12:10] <nicko> moving to melbourne again in November
[03:24:11] <IG-garage> Loetmichel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unaRkye1OBk&feature=player_embedded
[03:25:58] <IG-garage> pretty nice skills of riding. The only thing I have ever actually done on the motorcycle (it was single Ural, 247 kg) is almost such a riding, with soft tiny jumps (its front part is way heavier, you have to move back to balance it) and wet ground roads
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[04:10:20] <jbunch_> cradek: looks like the index function of my encoder is defective. Bummer. Ebay here we go. Thanks for your help.
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[04:33:05] <A2Sheds> RyanS: anywhere near Campbellfield?
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[11:58:52] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[12:06:07] <jthornton> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsPjNYY5GvM
[12:09:26] <Jymmm> jthornton: I don't know man, I think the caption speaks for itself. Especially during the end where he kept loosing it
[12:10:08] <Jymmm> Ooooops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNrP9lzE8wg&NR=1
[12:10:47] <jthornton> yea you should not smoke while burning out
[12:11:21] <jthornton> but not a scratch for a goldwing to fall over like that
[12:11:59] <Tom_itx> just pride
[12:12:28] <Jymmm> jthornton: I don't know about that, the video ends JUST as the bike hits the ground.
[12:12:54] <jthornton> I know I own a GW
[12:13:12] <Tom_itx> you tried that same move?
[12:13:38] <Jymmm> jthornton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=73P6G9Zzi8U
[12:13:44] <jthornton> duh, I know better to do that with the suspension air low
[12:13:58] <jthornton> but when the GW falls over like that nothing gets hurt
[12:14:45] <jthornton> that's a 1500
[12:15:07] <Jymmm> jthornton: I know you have a GW, but a dumbass with a [fill in the blank], there's bound to be some damage
[12:15:42] <Tom_itx> i bet he kept going until the post gave way taking out the Mrs car
[12:15:56] <Jymmm> jthornton: I didn't see a full cage on it, but eh.
[12:16:31] <jthornton> you will just have to take my word that a 1500 and an 1800 don't get a scratch when they fall over
[12:17:03] <Jymmm> jthornton: fair enough. So, how many times have you dropped it?
[12:17:13] <jthornton> once on each one
[12:17:51] <Jymmm> jthornton: what are they, 1100lbs?
[12:19:45] <Jymmm> 908lbs
[12:20:09] <jthornton> depends on the model but 850 and up
[12:21:05] <jthornton> the dealer tells you when you purchase one if it is falling over just let it go as no damage will happen
[12:21:26] <Jymmm> Seriously?
[12:21:44] <jthornton> yes, they are designed to fall over and not get a scratch
[12:22:58] <Jymmm> jthornton: WTH man, no tail/turn lights to replace?!
[12:23:23] <Jymmm> heh, airbag option
[12:23:37] <jthornton> not even if you do a wheelie
[12:23:43] <Jymmm> lol
[12:24:26] <Jymmm> an engine on wheels
[12:24:55] <Jymmm> an engine on wheels... and a cup holder =)
[12:25:14] <jthornton> and a stereo
[12:25:29] <jthornton> cup holder is not a GW option
[12:25:39] <jthornton> aftermarket only
[12:26:13] <Jymmm> Ah, a friend had one I guess he got it from a marine store.
[12:26:52] <jthornton> I got mine from a Honda dealer but it is an aftermarket item
[12:28:04] <Jymmm> ah
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[12:32:20] <jthornton> but don't close the lid on the cup when you have beer in it...
[12:32:54] <Jymmm> hahahaha
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[13:32:19] <rooks> Valen,
http://kuvaton.com/browse/19074/unicorn_bike3.jpg from the awesome bike series :D
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[13:38:00] <Loetmichel> some help please: which packet is missing there? ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12310&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
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[13:47:39] <Loetmichel> anyone?
[13:53:24] <archivist> ask google as that is some xxx/.de to me
[13:54:51] <Loetmichel> sorry, i AM german
[13:55:01] <archivist> I know
[13:55:42] <A2Sheds> a bluetooth setup in EMC?
[13:55:45] <Loetmichel> it says something about "personal data sharing" and "not all necessary packets installed"
[13:55:52] <A2Sheds> my German is too rusty
[13:56:32] <Loetmichel> A2Sheds: the BT tools are not needed, my concern is the red circled point
[13:56:44] <Loetmichel> no personal data sharing
[13:57:16] <Loetmichel> but its ok, since in the normal filemanager one CAN share a directory.
[13:57:31] <A2Sheds> I don't run unbuntu enough to say
[13:57:49] <Loetmichel> since the CNCpc has network ists easier to put the gcode on int via netowrk than usbstick ;-)
[13:58:21] <Loetmichel> just wondered why the configtool isnt installed in linuxCNC
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[14:34:41] <Loetmichel> hmm... how to repeat ha whole programm each time 0,1mm deeper in z? G71 isnd implemented, is that right?
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[14:43:36] <archivist> mdi move z, and touch off z re run is one way, else put what you want in a subroutine and loop it till done
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[14:46:07] <rooks> Loetmichel, probably emc kernel doesnt have bluetooth modules, see if : "dmesg | grep -i bluetooth" will output anything meaningful in terminal
[14:47:18] <rooks> Loetmichel, something like this should be meaning that your bluetooth is healthy
http://pastebin.com/xHrJVSLn
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[14:53:50] <Loetmichel> rooks: i need no BT
[14:54:01] <Loetmichel> just (samba) filesharing
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[14:54:43] <rooks> ah
[14:54:54] <Loetmichel> got it running anyways
[14:55:12] <Loetmichel> machine is working its first part with ne cpu
[14:55:19] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12313
[14:56:05] <Loetmichel> have to work out how to repeat programs with z 0,1 deeper until through , though
[14:58:45] <rooks> iirc the code is ascii, so like before sending the program to run, use some script to parse it
[14:59:18] <rooks> and duplicate relevant bits with z subtracted
[14:59:39] <archivist> Loetmichel, learn subroutines
[14:59:55] <Loetmichel> will do
[15:00:13] <JT-Shop> Loetmichel: lots of subs on forum
[15:02:00] <Loetmichel> that is the reason i used PCNC so much. draw it in cad, export to hpgl, import in pCNC, tell PCNC which colour how deep, tapp PCNC ho much repeats in Z which how much increment, hit Run, done...
[15:02:17] <Loetmichel> s/tapp/tell
[15:02:29] <Loetmichel> s/which/with
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[16:45:00] <IG-garage> Loetmichel: What is it? Some virtual machine?
[16:49:54] <Loetmichel> IG-garage?
[16:50:02] <Loetmichel> no, vnc
[16:50:09] <IG-garage> Loetmichel:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12313
[16:50:20] <IG-garage> VNC?
[16:50:55] <Loetmichel> virtual network computing: remote access
[16:51:04] <Loetmichel> remote desktop
[16:51:28] <Loetmichel> have my machine remote controlled from my desk PC ;-)
[16:53:58] <Loetmichel> it was actual milling a part as i made this snapshot
[16:55:45] <IG-garage> Ok, so you do this, remote milling.
[16:58:28] <IG-garage> Didn't know it about you... You're pretty young for it, for for remotely accessing your computer in the next room rather than going there!
[17:00:51] <JT-Shop> dang it went down to the beer cave for a print and came back with a beer
[17:01:04] <Tom_itx> :O
[17:01:08] <syyl_> live is hard ;)
[17:01:20] <syyl_> you could send the beer to me via ups
[17:01:58] <Tom_itx> jt, you should have a still up there in them thar woods somewhere
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[17:02:18] <syyl_> hmm
[17:02:23] <syyl_> taking a look on heekscnc
[17:02:27] <syyl_> doesnt look to bad
[17:02:49] <syyl_> the 2d parts seems to be pretty good
[17:04:22] <JT-Shop> tom shhhhhhh
[17:04:50] <Tom_itx> there's smoke in tham thar hills
[17:06:02] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: whatcha think his new shop is for; to build/repair BIGGER ones
[17:07:17] <Tom_itx> nowdays you gotta keep it well hid for more reasons than one
[17:07:24] <Tom_itx> da law and da copper thiefs
[17:07:48] <Jymmm> haha, no shit
[17:08:51] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: JT modernized and uses PE tubing
[17:09:17] <Tom_itx> not as efficient
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[17:13:15] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: No, but he has all that swap land to run the tubing thru
[17:13:24] <syyl_> http://gtwr.de/heeks.jpg
[17:13:24] <syyl_> :D
[17:13:26] <JT-Shop> lol
[17:15:40] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: He gets it by the spool...
http://www.pexgol.com/
[17:16:20] <Jymmm> 10ft spool that is
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[17:29:50] <Jymmm> Quiz: When was the first "Floor heating" created?
[17:30:10] <archivist> roman times
[17:30:19] <archivist> or earlier
[17:30:28] <syyl_> back then, roman times, i belive
[17:30:44] <Jymmm> anyone else?
[17:31:02] <archivist> off topic see google
[17:31:15] <Jymmm> 5000 BC
[17:31:28] <syyl_> oops
[17:31:32] <syyl_> killed heekscnc
[17:31:57] <archivist> rather easy to kill needs some bug fixing
[17:32:07] <syyl_> seems so ;)
[17:32:23] <syyl_> but im not to unhappy with it, as far as i tried around with it
[17:32:52] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: someone made a big fire in the cave beneath his?
[17:33:39] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: They ran smoke thru stone covered trenches
[17:33:57] <Jymmm> hot smoke
[17:34:09] <Loetmichel> hmm, close but no cigar ;-
[17:34:13] <Loetmichel> )
[17:34:37] <Jymmm> :)
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[17:35:58] * Loetmichel makes wild network constructions. i have startet a VMware plaxyer with a uuntu on my desk PC, to install heeksCacd/heekscnc...
[17:36:21] <syyl_> why not use the windows version?
[17:36:22] <syyl_> Oo
[17:36:39] <Loetmichel> ans am sitting in my bathtub atm, remote accessing the des pc desktop ;-)
[17:37:02] <Loetmichel> because i will use the linux version on the CNC as well
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[17:45:19] <Connor> Okay, so, how close is #10-32 to 5mm .8 ?
[17:51:03] <Tom_itx> 10-32 takes a #21 drill (.1590), 5mm takes a .1654 drill
[17:51:24] <Connor> I was reading somewhere that they're very close...
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[17:51:43] <Connor> I guess it depends on how loose the threaded hole is..
[17:52:02] <Tom_itx> any decent drill chart will tell you
[17:52:23] <Jymmm> .1660 = #19
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[19:10:14] <Loetmichel> kurz reboot, hier hängt was
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[19:47:39] <Jymmm> Does anyone know of an off-the-shelf lightweight material that will sink (not float) in water and will not be destroyed by the water?
[19:48:20] <mrsunshine> any kind of denser plastic ?
[19:49:19] <Jymmm> Ok, I'll look around the hardware store.
[19:49:46] <mrsunshine> but dont take my word for it
[19:49:49] <mrsunshine> =)
[19:49:51] <Jymmm> =)
[19:49:57] <mrsunshine> as i dont realy know
[19:50:08] <mrsunshine> but feels like dense plastic should be denser then water =)
[19:50:41] <Jymmm> Yeah, I tried stacking two 2x6 and they floated in 3" of water.
[19:50:59] <Tom_itx> they have air in them
[19:51:05] <Tom_itx> air is lighter than water
[19:51:37] <Tom_itx> go get a log sunk back in the axe chopped logger days and use that
[19:52:15] <Jymmm> lol, it's probably more valuable as old-growth wood than the urpose I have for it.
[19:52:26] <mrsunshine> nylon for example
[19:52:33] <Tom_itx> cost wasn't mentioned in your request
[19:52:40] <mrsunshine> looks like to be denser then plastic at a weight of 1.15g/ml
[19:52:56] <Tom_itx> and lightweight would still be heavier than water
[19:53:24] <mrsunshine> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080916141035AAcgYlN
[19:56:46] <mrsunshine> only ldpe and hdpe and that other one, that seems to be less dense then water =)
[19:56:49] <mrsunshine> from the common ones
[19:57:28] <mrsunshine> fromt hat list ofc, then i guess tehre is hundreds of plastics =)
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[20:02:57] <jtektool> question on latency and wffects of other sources of io
[20:04:11] <jtektool> do more io inputs from other sources effect overall speed
[20:04:21] <jtektool> if say stepgen
[20:04:28] <jtektool> ^of
[20:05:00] <jtektool> if i did math right and my board has latency of 5000
[20:06:13] <jtektool> would adding more inputs via say a 5i23 board and say a pressure sensure or something slow down my max pulse rate?
[20:09:12] <jtektool> 133333.3333/2 = max step rate on a 5000ns latency board i was adding 150% for code overhead
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