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[00:28:12] <klick0> I was trying to get the X/Y/Z coordinates from the command line, i used "halcmd gets Zpos-cmd" and it shows the position, but this is the raw and doesn't take into account touch off's I assume. "halcmd show sig" doesn't show that variable, where should I look to find the currently set touch off settings? i can't seem to find them. Thanks
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[02:45:28] <dgarr> for consideration: patch set that adds names= options for encoder,pid and updates twopass processing for num_chan=, debug=
[02:45:39] <dgarr> http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/patchset_for_twopass_num_chan_support.mbox
[02:46:16] <dgarr> (testing done on v2.5_branch)
[02:49:49] <dgarr> oops -- correct name is:
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/patchset_for_names_options.mbox
[02:50:25] <cradek> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
[02:50:50] <dgarr> oops again, fixed
[02:51:09] <cradek> got it
[02:51:15] <dgarr> sry
[02:51:18] <cradek> np
[02:54:27] <dgarr> 2.5 if you agree, i've been testing on 2.5 only
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[03:50:59] <Jymmm> cradek: Which species of woods do you like? Select 5 in order of preference...
http://i53.tinypic.com/20u7iu8.jpg
[03:51:26] <Jymmm> Anyone else can answer too if they like, I'm taking a survery
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[06:23:50] <automata> good morning
[06:24:25] <automata> can pins be linked and un-linked to signals after hal start command has been issued?
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[06:47:11] <automata> Just tried it... you can link and unlink pins and signals after hal has started...
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[06:47:46] <automata> Wow!!! the concept of the HAL does not cease to amaze me!!!
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[06:53:17] <psha[work]> automata: you can
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[08:32:04] <Loetmichel> mornin
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[08:35:04] <nicko> evening
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[09:10:29] <mrsunshine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvTKX7_Uexw&feature=related ough, advanced fixtures...
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[11:56:55] <awallin_> nice project on the mailinglist:
http://bengrosser.com/projects/interactive-robotic-painting-machine/
[11:56:58] <awallin_> :)
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[13:03:12] <frysteev> morning all
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[13:22:18] <IG-garage> working on big mill. rigid one, with small monitor and MS Windows 98. Some unknown program. This machine may miss steps. There are couple of closets with the electrics, rows of capacitors and so...
[13:22:59] <IG-garage> Whole hard work as adjusting while clamping heavy details is still presented.
[13:24:49] <IG-garage> brushless DC servo with encoders, they revolve the screws. Heh, I'm a grown-up now, and I'm a CNC mill operator by now, and it's for me to decide what does it mean...
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[13:30:17] <alex_joni> "We are stuck with technology when what we really want is just stuff that works."
[13:31:12] <Jymmm> We'll tell you what you want.
[13:36:40] <IG-garage> oh?!
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[13:39:43] <IG-garage> Then how long the blood-stained Earth will tolerate uh... just anything?
[13:40:12] <Jymmm> So far, 2011 years and counting.
[13:41:54] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: a little kinger
[13:41:58] <Loetmichel> longer
[13:42:16] <Jymmm> I was being "kind"
[13:42:33] <Loetmichel> as far as i know the human race is about 600000 yeats in the one opr other from here on this marble
[13:43:01] <psha[work]> Loetmichel: do you really believe in theese numbers?
[13:43:22] <psha[work]> history is dreamed by historicans!
[13:43:26] <IG-garage> this phrase is written on the wall and is seen from the highway, at the entrance into the nearest city.
[13:43:27] <psha[work]> they are fooling us
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[13:44:02] <Loetmichel> oh, i stand corrected: 130000years ;-)
[13:44:04] <jdhNC> nice looking hull for 18', good flare
[13:45:43] <psha[work]> Loetmichel: unfortunately human race degraded with intorduction of internet
[13:46:05] <jdhNC> degraded? or is that art?
[13:46:33] <Jymmm> s/internet/speech/
[13:46:42] <psha[work]> jdhNC: art is degrading too
[13:47:16] <psha[work]> hopefully this will not last long
[13:47:33] <psha[work]> there is somewhat about 16 months left
[13:47:54] <jdhNC> are you immanentizing the eschaton?
[13:48:07] * psha[work] goes to consult dictionary
[13:49:12] <psha[work]> i've told you! humanity is degraded!
[13:49:34] <psha[work]> and even i've degraded since i don't know what's immanentizing :)
[13:51:00] <jdhNC> 'bringing to the now' perhaps, but that sounds weird
[13:51:46] <IG-garage> psha[work]: I'm woking since 8:00 AM to 4:30 PM with 30-minutes dinner break in 12:00
[13:52:06] <psha[work]> 9:30 till 18:00
[13:52:07] <psha[work]> and what?
[13:52:42] <IG-garage> psha[work]: how 9:30? what, some commercial firm?
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[13:56:21] <psha[work]> yes
[13:56:22] <IG-garage> "degraded" you say, but some avoid complicated comfort and sophisticated pleasures, having simpler and happier life instead, suffer from the understanding of others' pain
[13:56:49] <IG-garage> psha[work]: What, running at morning? Or coffe-ing ;) ??
[13:57:01] <psha[work]> i don't drink coffe :)
[13:57:03] <psha[work]> sleeping :)
[13:57:18] <IG-garage> heh, seriously, not coffee-addicted?
[13:57:30] <psha[work]> sure, it's a boiled crap
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[13:58:00] <IG-garage> and what instead, when others sit and drink coffee?
[13:59:01] <psha[work]> drinking tea instead but i'm not usually somewhere near 'sit and drink coffee' :)
[14:00:10] <IG-garage> black tea or green tea?
[14:01:54] <Jymmm> red fish, blue fish
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[14:03:30] <psha[work]> depends
[14:03:39] <psha[work]> on what's laying around :)
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[14:07:42] <Loetmichel> hmm, i have (theoretically 8:00 'til 1700 with 1hr dinner break
[14:08:03] <Loetmichel> mot of the time i work 30min to 1 hr overtime
[14:08:07] <Loetmichel> (unpaid)
[14:08:12] <Loetmichel> most
[14:08:14] <IG-garage> psha[work]: you mean what cookery is laying around?
[14:08:55] <IG-garage> they will pay me in the middle of next month, so i'm low on money
[14:09:57] <Loetmichel> and now ists 1:08 over here... and about 86F... i want a AC for my Production managaer booth!
[14:10:16] <Loetmichel> 16:08, not 1:08
[14:10:42] <Loetmichel> <- at work is, VNC for king!
[14:10:43] <psha[work]> oh, 18:10
[14:10:50] <psha[work]> time to think about moving home...
[14:10:58] <psha[work]> but i was late for ~30-40 minutes today :)
[14:12:26] <IG-garage> what was late?
[14:13:58] <IG-garage> I want some capabilities from God to have a time for impossible, to not miss anything. as the SMASH sings heh
[14:14:34] <IG-garage> psha[work]: dis you watch TV sometimes several years ago?
[14:14:35] <psha[work]> IG-garage: late at work :)
[14:14:43] <psha[work]> sometimes
[14:14:52] <IG-garage> so you know this song
[14:15:20] <IG-garage> i will work at tomorrow night, will saw steel sheets
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[14:15:52] <psha[work]> type in russian
[14:15:59] <psha[work]> since it's quote it's ok :)
[14:16:23] <IG-garage> what? i have written everything already
[14:16:45] <IG-garage> psha[work]: Guess the song name: "I want some capabilities from God to have a time for impossible, to not miss anything."
[14:16:47] <psha[work]> it's in english?
[14:17:03] <IG-garage> it's from 'The SMASH'
[14:17:07] <IG-garage> lol
[14:17:17] <psha[work]> smash?
[14:17:25] <psha[work]> heh, i'm really too far from tv :)
[14:18:22] <IG-garage> heh, the band doesn't exist already
[14:20:56] <IG-garage> so, you probably can go home, your girlfriend is awaiting for you in a sexy outfit, on the bed, in a proper mood.
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[14:22:24] <psha[work]> heh, today only my brother is waiting for me to make a haircut
[14:22:31] <psha[work]> before he'll go to moutnains again
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[14:35:58] <IG-garage> well, not quite the same, but not bad, too. ;)
[14:36:38] <IG-garage> psha[work]: at a daylight, go running in the park. someone will have felt in love with you
[14:38:43] <psha[work]> IG-garage: i've already runned in the forest and have wife and ~2+ yrs old daughter
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[14:39:51] <IG-garage> well, could have been running in the park. Would have a girlfriend and some 2-year-old Ferrari
[14:43:09] <IG-garage> psha[work]: You know, I had been riding the bicycle in between the cities, and I have several cats and a dog waiting for me. So, need to add a girlfriend to the crew.
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[15:59:53] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[16:06:24] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, i have prove the your ultimate patch about : int/m6 abort hndles save/restore have problem with halui.program.line . the info in out this pin is no correct
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[16:11:54] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, again : have dowload snapshop 2.6.0 -emc2-449512fd53a79af80d47281c103cec06d9063 , and have used it.there problem with halui.offset.x and z axis.the value the this pin is alway zero, not ghange, and the tool change not fuction , is executed onlt tdemo and on_abort, but m6demo not is executed.
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[16:13:07] <mhaberler> yes, the program line is expected to be off because the handler is executing
[16:13:44] <mhaberler> I'm sorry, I do not understand you
[16:14:02] <mhaberler> please post configs, ngc, settings, expected and actual results to the mailing list
[16:14:19] <mhaberler> that means the *whole* information
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[16:18:25] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, is very difficul for me write this information.tha my configuration is the some for evry version the emc2 compiled.the branch 2.5.0 have only the problem the not execution the g7-g40-g80-g90 in on_abort sub. the 2.6.0 version with the some config file,ngc ecc.., execute good the g7-g40-g80-g90 in on_abort sub, but have two problem, one is halui.program.line value incorrect, the second is zero value the halui.to
[16:18:26] <motioncontrol> ol.offse x-y-z pin.
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[16:25:16] <mhaberler> I am sorry: please write it up in an email.
[16:27:40] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, yes more thanks can have your mail please ?
[16:28:45] <mhaberler> please use "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
[16:29:30] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, ok thanks
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[17:21:19] <Danimal_garage> hi
[17:22:36] <JT-Shop> hi
[17:22:47] <frysteev> hi
[17:34:38] <frysteev> is this were the g codes are?
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[18:07:39] <Danimal_garage> dammit, i cant find a piece of 1/2" steel anywhere around here
[18:08:56] <archivist> machine a bit of 3" down
[18:09:29] <Danimal_garage> Thanks, peanut gallery
[18:09:42] <Danimal_garage> :)
[18:09:50] <archivist> where's a manual for this vfd I have here
[18:10:09] <Danimal_garage> right next to the 1/2" piece of steel i thought i had
[18:10:15] <archivist> :)
[18:10:59] <archivist> I have two drives with no manuals :(
[18:12:01] <Danimal_garage> just start hooking shit up, eventually you'll either get it right, or blow them up
[18:12:22] <Danimal_garage> and since you have two, the odds of getting the second one right is slightly higher
[18:12:51] <alex4nder> haha
[18:12:54] <frysteev> just hook up the red wire
[18:12:59] <archivist> well I have got one up and running but it faults if I push it
[18:13:16] <archivist> and they are different!
[18:13:30] <Danimal_garage> too small?
[18:13:40] <frysteev> what do they taste like?
[18:13:41] <archivist> no its big enough
[18:13:51] <Danimal_garage> accel is set too high?
[18:13:57] <archivist> its a 20 amp 240 out one
[18:14:20] <archivist> faults if I slow down fast
[18:14:28] <Danimal_garage> decell is set too fast
[18:14:39] <Danimal_garage> thats common
[18:14:50] <archivist> or Im missing required brake resistance
[18:15:14] <Danimal_garage> yea, if you're running in singe phase, you likely need the decel set pretty slow
[18:15:20] <Danimal_garage> unless you have resistors
[18:15:25] <Danimal_garage> even then...
[18:15:33] <archivist> on another motor it cant get up to speed and faults after a period
[18:15:46] <Danimal_garage> how much bigger is it than the motor you're trying to push?
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[18:16:37] <Danimal_garage> if it's a 2hp motor, you should have AT LEAST a 3hp drive, if running on single phase
[18:17:00] <Danimal_garage> i have a 3hp motor and a 5hp drive, and i still needed an external braking unit and resistors
[18:17:37] <archivist> the second motor is 4.3A at 440 now on delta 240
[18:17:49] <archivist> so a bit close
[18:17:50] <Danimal_garage> i have a 3hp drive on a 2hp motor on my manual mill, and it's scary slow
[18:18:12] <Danimal_garage> in both accel and decell
[18:19:23] <frysteev> do ac servo drivers use SCR's?
[18:19:27] <Danimal_garage> may not be your problem, but just saying, it was an issue for me and all 3 of my machines
[18:19:38] <archivist> hmm time to get a third drive out of retirement maybe, that has writing on the panel :)
[18:19:46] <Danimal_garage> ha
[18:20:15] <archivist> all the drives are way old
[18:20:30] <Danimal_garage> archivist: the manua's for all of my drives said you need to derate them a considerable amount for single phase
[18:21:38] <Danimal_garage> oh well, black to work for me, good luck
[18:21:40] <archivist> Im reading the badge , its all I have to go on for some of them
[18:21:43] <Danimal_garage> back*
[18:21:52] <frysteev> just wondering cuz i have a ton of big SCR's kicking around
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[18:22:31] <Danimal_garage> archivist: from what i understand, derating for single phase is pretty standard
[18:22:31] <archivist> depends on age, more likely thyristors
[18:22:55] <archivist> these are single phase in anyway
[18:24:03] <archivist> should match the rating plate, the ssl drive has another level on its plate for 3 phase 240 in
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[18:28:44] <JT-Shop> 30 minutes of programming and tooling up the VMC to run 2 minutes :/
[18:29:10] <Danimal_garage> lol
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[18:41:19] <JT-Shop> but I guess that is better than running a zillion parts that take 30 seconds each
[18:42:15] <Danimal_garage> lol definitely
[18:42:51] <Danimal_garage> i have somewhat of a happy medium, 5-15 minutes per cycle
[18:43:22] <JT-Shop> heck you have time for a beer every few parts :)
[18:51:28] <Danimal_garage> haha yea
[18:51:36] <Danimal_garage> at least it's easy money
[18:52:04] <frysteev> i guess no one was able to answer my quesiton about SCR's?
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[19:00:29] <JT-Shop> didn't see them
[19:01:19] <frysteev> are SCR's used to control AC servos?
[19:05:06] <jdhNC> not that I know of.
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[19:06:25] <JT-Shop> SCRs are mainly used in devices where the control of high power, possibly coupled with high voltage, is demanded. Their operation makes them suitable for use in medium to high-voltage AC power control applications, such as lamp dimming, regulators and motor control.
[19:06:32] <JT-Shop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon-controlled_rectifier
[19:07:46] <skunkworks_> in the olden days - they where used inservo amps
[19:08:07] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[19:08:19] <Loetmichel> in germany the are called thyristor
[19:08:23] <Loetmichel> not scr
[19:08:35] <archivist> same difference :)
[19:09:13] <Loetmichel> frysteev: not in any modern design, mosfets or hexfets are in use nowadays
[19:09:32] <frysteev> bagh, i have a ton of 60amp SCR's form a lighting system
[19:09:56] <Loetmichel> scrs?
[19:10:01] <Loetmichel> not triacs?
[19:10:09] <Loetmichel> how old is the lighting system?
[19:10:10] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[19:12:37] <frysteev> not that old,
[19:12:45] <frysteev> late 90's,
[19:12:58] <frysteev> my OLD stuff uses triacs
[19:14:41] <PCW> SCRs are very common on older servo drives (and Thratrons before them)
[19:14:43] <PCW> But you are limited in bandwidth because you need AC (typically like frequency) for the primary power
[19:14:58] <PCW> Thyratrons
[19:15:15] <PCW> line frequency
[19:18:07] <Loetmichel> frysteev: are this GTO-scrs?
[19:18:09] <frysteev> ahhh so you cant go above 60 hz for example.
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[19:18:43] <frysteev> i dunno, ill take some pics later, they are nice, on a module with the scr, breaker and choke,
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[20:04:08] <mikeggg> who maintains the documentation?
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[20:04:19] <archivist> volunteers
[20:04:43] <mikeggg> okay, can I volunteer to add "sets" to
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/hal_basic_hal.html
[20:05:11] <mikeggg> setp is there, but I got hung up on the lack of sets the other day
[20:06:34] <SWPadnos> make sure you point out that sets is only useful if there are no "write" pins attached to a signal
[20:07:20] <mikeggg> is that the same as a "destination" under 1.1.4 on the same page
[20:07:59] <SWPadnos> well, not really
[20:08:08] <SWPadnos> it's the signal source
[20:08:33] <SWPadnos> if there is a signal source (a hal write pin) attached to a signal, then sets on that signal will have no effect
[20:09:05] <mikeggg> ah, that's important
[20:09:23] <SWPadnos> the reason being that the writer is likely to set its output pin during the thread run (might not, but probably will), so even though the sets command succeeds, it has no net effect
[20:10:41] <Jymmm> Swampy!
[20:11:01] <SWPadnos> hi
[20:11:31] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: been a while, you been renewing your membership to the mile high club for singles?
[20:11:44] <SWPadnos> well, not entirely
[20:12:13] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Ah, domesticly?
[20:12:24] <Jymmm> or international
[20:12:29] <SWPadnos> ?
[20:12:47] <Jymmm> Have you been on the road lately ?
[20:12:54] <SWPadnos> some
[20:13:06] <SWPadnos> went to London, left just as the riots were starting :)
[20:13:14] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Gotcha, oh lovely.
[20:13:27] <SWPadnos> right-o
[20:13:50] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Well, nice to see ya back (even if only 30s)
[20:14:40] <SWPadnos> see you
[20:14:43] <SWPadnos> :)
[20:15:09] <mikeggg> would it suffice to say that you need to unlinkp <hal write pin> before you tried sets?
[20:15:37] <SWPadnos> no
[20:16:02] <SWPadnos> I would just say that the effect of sets on a signal with a write pin is undefined
[20:16:08] <SWPadnos> and maybe explain why
[20:16:45] <mikeggg> oh, because it get's overwritten by the writer pin?
[20:16:51] <SWPadnos> yes
[20:16:56] <mikeggg> got it
[20:17:19] <SWPadnos> but some components might not update their outputs every time they're run, so there may be an effect with some components, but not with others
[20:18:04] <mikeggg> like if you had a fast thread and a slow thread and the writer was on the slow thread
[20:18:18] <mikeggg> and vice versa...
[20:19:08] <SWPadnos> sure, that's one thing that might cause odd behavior
[20:19:24] <SWPadnos> but also it's not a requirement that all output pins get refreshed every time a function is run
[20:19:35] <SWPadnos> some components may only update some pins when something changes
[20:19:43] <SWPadnos> which is why I say it's kind of undefined
[20:22:41] <mikeggg> heh, sounds like I need to forget about that command :) only going to get into trouble
[20:27:35] <JT-Shop> volunteering can get you in trouble too
[20:28:19] <mikeggg> I'm ex- Navy submarine force
[20:28:46] <mikeggg> the Never Again Volunteer Yourself force :)
[20:28:50] <frysteev> so you are use to going down?
[20:29:10] <mikeggg> we always dive deep
[20:29:44] <JT-Shop> I used to overhaul fast attack boats at Ingalls
[20:30:08] * frysteev fires up the best of the village people 8 track
[20:30:10] <JT-Shop> cleanest job in the shipyard
[20:30:32] <mikeggg> oh cool, where is that? I was in Pearl
[20:31:16] <JT-Shop> Mississippi
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[21:05:13] <Tom_itx> gawd JT-Shop is kinda greedy with 2 shops n all
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[21:13:24] <Danimal_garage> i think i successfully secured everything in my van
[21:14:04] <Danimal_garage> bed frame is bolted down, futon mattress is velcroed in position, aux battery and electronics box installed
[21:14:17] <Danimal_garage> no more landslides when i corner too hard
[21:14:24] <Danimal_garage> :)
[21:20:34] <JT-Shop> in a van down by the river?
[21:21:20] * JT-Shop listens to Aldo Nova
[21:21:30] <SWPadnos> life is just a fantasy
[21:21:36] <JT-Shop> lol
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[22:14:06] <PCW> andy: should I pull the latest 2.6pre and reapply my changes so you dont have to straighten up the mess (I noticed some more 24 pin isms in hostmot2.h)
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[22:40:41] <andypugh> PCW: That would certainly be easier, as we are both changing the same file.
[22:42:28] <PCW> OK didn't meant to cause you to do a bunch of extra work
[22:42:36] <PCW> mean
[22:43:22] <PCW> Also need to do a thorough search for more 24 pin-isms
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[22:57:32] <JT-Shop> the transmission was a '53 and the motor was a 63' but with a little help from a adapter kit it all fit
[23:23:04] <PCW> Sounds like a C&W song
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[23:27:38] <JT-Shop> Johnny Cash One Piece at a Time
[23:36:40] <JT-Shop> Yaskov: I could make a run for it, you know.
[23:36:43] <JT-Shop> Kendig: Come on, Yaskov. You running, me chasing? We'd look like Laurel and Hardy.
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[23:52:00] <mikegg> you'll know it's me when I come through your town
[23:53:14] <Jymmm> mikegg: You'll be in a decomtamination suit?
[23:53:34] <mikegg> hah, not anymore
[23:53:47] <Jymmm> oh, so just glowing green
[23:53:51] <mikegg> thankfully, I've put those days behind me
[23:54:51] <mikegg> actually, the dose you get on a sub is pretty low. We get in a month what a passenger on a flight from NY to Tokyo gets during the flight from atmospheric radiation
[23:55:04] <Jymmm> I swear the fskcing things that places ask for that's no of their fscking business. "Privacy Laws Mother Fucker, have you heard of them?"
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[23:56:06] <Jymmm> I should get "finder's fee" to privacy law attorneys!
[23:56:59] <andypugh> I don't think he is going t get many bids spelling it like that:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160639161462
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[23:59:59] <Tom_itx> what sort of voltage/current do steppers similar to say a bridgeport boss 5 draw?
