#emc | Logs for 2011-07-19

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[00:27:53] * robin_sz giggles at Tom_itx
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[00:28:29] <robin_sz> I suspect you meant "Sistine Chapel"
[00:28:47] <robin_sz> "systern chapel" would be something related to toilets?
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[00:33:09] <JT-Shop> final coat of paint on north and east walls... check
[00:33:22] <JT-Shop> yahoo toolbar removed... check
[00:34:16] <JT-Shop> loss of all bookmarks and passwords from removing yahoo... check
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[00:36:11] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[00:36:19] <Tom_itx> laters
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[00:36:36] <Tom_itx> robin_sz, water storage tank
[00:36:54] <elmo40> lost all bookmarks sucks. this is why I use delicious
[00:36:57] <Tom_itx> i thought it was fitting due to his constant references to 'swamp east missouri'
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[00:42:23] <robin_sz> ah righty
[00:42:33] <robin_sz> I bow in honour to your humour :)
[00:43:25] <Tom_itx> it was a long stretch
[00:43:32] <robin_sz> andypugh, if I end up with this bike tomorrow, it will be your fualt for failing to adeqautely talk me out of it
[00:44:33] <Tom_itx> heh
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[00:47:15] <robin_sz> you can never have too many motorbikes
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[00:47:40] <Tom_itx> there is but one rule to live by
[00:47:48] <Tom_itx> he who dies with the most toys wins
[00:47:55] * robin_sz nods
[00:48:08] <jdhNC> not married, huh?
[00:48:15] * robin_sz is
[00:48:29] * Tom_itx doesn't plan to win
[00:48:31] <Tom_itx> :)
[00:48:48] <Valen> how does yahoo ake your bookmarks?
[00:48:51] <Valen> take
[00:49:05] <robin_sz> she didnt complain when I bought a laser last week either
[00:49:12] <robin_sz> so this week, I'll try for a bike
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[00:51:08] <robin_sz> the laser is fun, I just want a nice dark foggy night now to shine it about in
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[00:52:18] <Tom_itx> not a cutting laser?
[00:52:27] <robin_sz> no, 532nm green
[00:52:50] <Tom_itx> about all i do is let the dog chase my pointer
[00:53:16] <robin_sz> heh, this one is quite bright, I dont think id want anything chasing it
[00:53:24] <Tom_itx> yeah
[00:53:32] <robin_sz> 20W
[00:53:43] <Tom_itx> potentially dangerous
[00:54:03] <robin_sz> "do not stare into beam with remaining eye"
[00:54:28] <robin_sz> I had plenty of much bigger lasers, but this is the biggest visible one I had
[00:55:26] <robin_sz> 175 kgs, bit big for a pointer
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[01:52:27] <GonMD> woot. drew some shapes on my machine. off to a good start for tonight
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[02:53:57] <Aero-Tec> hello
[02:55:12] <Aero-Tec> I have heard there are some Gcode sub routines one can download
[02:55:32] <Aero-Tec> can anyone post a link to the download section for them?
[02:58:33] <Aero-Tec> mighty dead here
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[04:03:45] <KimK_afk> Aero-Tec: What kind of subrs do you need? Will any of these do? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?SubProgramFiles http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?SubroutineSample http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Oword
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[05:30:42] <Aero-Tec> hello Kim
[05:30:52] <Aero-Tec> was playing with mill
[05:31:08] <Aero-Tec> just got EMC controlling the mill
[05:31:57] <Aero-Tec> need to get backlash working for my mill
[05:39:53] <nicko> ello all
[05:40:09] <nicko> (ello Aero-Tec)
[05:40:22] <Aero-Tec> yo
[05:40:47] <Aero-Tec> trying to read up on setting up bachlash
[05:41:02] <nicko> I cant help you there, unless maybe a half-baked theoretical discussion is what you're after ;)
[05:41:17] <nicko> But I'll follow along and hopefully learn something
[05:42:08] <nicko> I have pretty tight ballscrews on my machine so hopefully wont be dealing with the issue - but future machines will likely have maybe not 'backlash' but some kind of mechanical hysteresis
[05:42:41] <nicko> did you use stepconfig ?
[05:42:56] <nicko> or did you write your own ini and hal files ?
[05:44:26] <Aero-Tec> used the config wiz
[05:45:06] <nicko> for mesa gear or just the standard ?
[05:45:18] <nicko> (parallel port - step/dir)
[05:49:12] <Aero-Tec> PP right now
[05:49:28] <Aero-Tec> mesa ASAP
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[05:56:13] <nicko> cool - extended capability ...
[05:56:27] <nicko> although I am still getting through understanding it all
[05:57:03] <nicko> was hoping we were in the same place and you could help me!
[05:57:21] <nicko> I went for the 5i22 and two 7i33 cards
[05:57:37] <nicko> future proofing was the idea behind all the I/O
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[08:47:19] <Loetmichel> *HATZIEH* beechwood sanding dust in the nose... *tingle*
[08:47:35] <Loetmichel> mornin' btw
[08:48:32] <psha[work]> morning
[08:53:15] * Loetmichel is building som more cableholders like this: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12138
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[11:58:44] <jthornton> who would have thought I'd find my new window AC unit on NewEgg
[11:59:13] <Jymmm> I got mine from CL
[12:01:58] <Jymmm> jthornton: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16896140006
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[12:04:47] <Jymmm> jthornton: what size/btu did you get?
[12:04:49] <jthornton> CL?
[12:04:56] <jthornton> 15,000
[12:05:09] <Jymmm> Craigslist
[12:05:41] <jthornton> I have an old one that is not efficient now
[12:05:59] <jthornton> this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16896140437&Tpk=lg%20lw1511
[12:06:06] <Jymmm> jthornton: A guy was selling his 6month old one NEVER INSTALLED because the HOA wouldn't let him, so I got it for $150
[12:06:26] <jthornton> sweet
[12:06:29] <jthornton> what is HOA
[12:06:42] <Jymmm> HOA == Home Owners Association
[12:06:46] <Jymmm> condo
[12:07:03] <jthornton> ah
[12:07:36] <jthornton> I have a 12k LG now in the new shop and love it
[12:08:39] <Jymmm> jthornton: Use the "Power Savings" mode. What it does is shut off the fan when it gets to temp to save energy. It turns on for like 30s to measure the temperature and if it's too warm will kick on the compressor, else it waits another 15m or so and tries again.
[12:08:39] <jthornton> super quiet
[12:08:51] <jthornton> yea I know
[12:08:56] <Jymmm> k
[12:09:32] <Jymmm> And it runs great off my Honda EU2000 generator too =)
[12:09:48] <jthornton> that's one of the things that I like about it and did I mention it is quiet
[12:10:18] <Jymmm> I really didn't notice how quiet it is either way
[12:11:45] <jthornton> I have several window units and it is by far the silent one
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[12:13:20] <Jymmm> jthornton: You building it into the window or wall?
[12:13:47] <jthornton> I have an opening in the wall, one in the garage and two in the shop
[12:14:10] <Jymmm> Oh ok. then nm what I was gonna say =)
[12:14:39] <Jymmm> just wear a back belt though =)
[12:14:58] <jthornton> I framed out two in the shop as I'm not sure of the heat load from the machines running...
[12:15:01] <Jymmm> might need a friend to help, it's just bulky inserting it.
[12:15:23] <jthornton> actually pretty easy with the slide out unit
[12:15:51] <jthornton> the old one is a bear and Ricky has to help John put it in or out
[12:16:10] <Jymmm> The weight is to one side, and it's just so large that you can't reach both ends unly you're a gorilla
[12:16:19] <jthornton> I like the E.E.R. rating on the LG 10.8
[12:18:36] <jthornton> I usually out smart dumb objects like that when moving them instead of using brute force
[12:19:48] <Jymmm> It's not THAT heavy, but unless you have 4ft long arms, you just can't grab both sides securely to insert it.
[12:20:49] <jthornton> like I said I usually out smart dumb objects that are heavy/awkward when I have to move them :)
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[12:21:02] <Jymmm> fair enough
[12:23:08] <jthornton> like setting 32' trusses by my self http://gnipsel.com/shop/framing/framing-08.xhtml
[12:23:43] <Jymmm> why such a high pitch?
[12:23:53] <Jymmm> snows?
[12:24:10] <jthornton> easier to walk around in the attic
[12:24:20] <jthornton> it's only 6-12
[12:24:42] <Jymmm> Not much of an attic with all those cross members
[12:24:49] <jthornton> we do get ice and snow too
[12:25:13] <jthornton> also it has to match the garage
[12:25:19] <Jymmm> ah
[12:25:56] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/shop/roofing/roofing-07.xhtml
[12:26:54] * jthornton wanders off now
[12:27:00] <Jymmm> bu-bye
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[12:55:58] <rooks> jthornton, why not using stronger roof beams for extra space on the roof? like making a study or something?
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[12:59:04] <rooks> nice construction tho :) i hope ill make some myself soon-ish
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[14:01:53] <jthornton> rooks: I don't want to store anything up in the attic
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[14:10:25] <mazafaka> jthornton: this could be a place for love, your now, for cooking pies ;)
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[14:27:56] <rooks> ^^
[14:28:11] <mazafaka> rooks: what's new?
[14:28:12] <mazafaka> ;)
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[14:32:43] <mazafaka> we had left a lot of grass in the potato and yesterday, it all have mixed with soil around the bushes of potato. And I wander will the grass help to keep the moisture in the soil or it will be just a proper fertilizer.
[14:34:02] <rooks> not much, same ol same ol. i gave myself some time to relax after getting out of uni, so i can be fresh when doing some job hunting soon around eu.
[14:34:55] <mazafaka> danimal_garage: What brush for angle grinder you would advise to clean body steel from paint. The one I have, with 0.5 mm steel wires is very rough.
[14:35:09] <rooks> and trying to figure out how to get out of the corpo world in the meantime :) maybe ill join some hippie save the planet thing for a while since i believe in their values and im a vegan :)
[14:35:22] <mazafaka> "uni"=university?
[14:35:26] <rooks> yes
[14:36:35] <mazafaka> rooks: With being "normal" and representing a lot from ecologically-friendly thingies you would probably make even more.
[14:37:15] <rooks> theres only one way to find out :)
[14:37:17] <mazafaka> For example, you want to proclaim something. It is impossible to advertise it unless you have made it and happy with a result.
[14:38:55] <mazafaka> I tried to proclaim raw vegan diet, it ended up with "he really can endure any hard job" which in rumours implied that ("... But probably a fool 'cause the work loves fools.")
[14:39:23] <rooks> raw vegan is stupid. beans need to be cooked
[14:39:28] <mazafaka> Who cares, I have changed this job to another.
[14:39:49] <mazafaka> raw vegan diet isn't about the tales about proteins.
[14:40:02] <mazafaka> I'm lacking proteins and still alive.
[14:40:41] <mazafaka> no one eat beans or dry pea stored to winter, this all must be cooked a bit.
[14:41:28] <rooks> i point people to Brendan Brazier, he won 2 thriatlons in canada while being vegan since 15yo
[14:41:33] <mazafaka> cabbage salad and steamed potato - this is already something. Or a whole celebration when you're poor.
[14:41:49] <TekniQue> vegan diet is all about explaining to others how you belong to a religious cult and that they're bad people for not being part of it
[14:42:06] <mazafaka> vegans eat too much of bread, make a use of coffee, and make a mistake
[14:42:27] <mazafaka> no, you can hide your diet.
[14:42:42] <rooks> TekniQue, nope. its top fuel that allows you to free your head and some use it for compassion, but i use it for personal health and wellbeing
[14:42:52] <mazafaka> i need to go to the store and buy some white cabbage, and maybe something else.
[14:43:22] <mazafaka> i hate smell from body when i'm not raw vegan, and i look young.
[14:44:08] <rooks> http://www.brendanbrazier.com/bio/index.html
[14:46:34] <mazafaka> How to move to, say x172 y0 and assign this point as zero, and cut the same detail from the beginning of the program?
[14:46:37] <mazafaka> G54 ??
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[14:46:59] <rooks> TekniQue, being vegan is mostly about personal health. its either you pay your doctor or your farmer type of thing. and some dont like causing excess harm and suffering to others. just youtube any slaugterhouse vid and ask yourself if you wanna be a part of that...
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[14:48:22] <mazafaka> be right back
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[14:48:25] <mazafaka> rooks: http://syroedenie.com/english/pots.html
[14:49:00] <rooks> TekniQue, this guy explains it the best why people go vegan... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4
[14:49:03] <mazafaka> rooks: this is also about natural lifestyle, so you'll have to examine it ;)
[14:50:02] <rooks> mazafaka, i did. i still wanna do something tasty and not just raw. life is not only about survival but also about pleasure :)
[14:50:03] <TekniQue> as a matter of fact I have been in a slaughterhouse
[14:50:29] <TekniQue> and in a meat factory also (chicken farm)
[14:50:33] <rooks> mazafaka, http://mouthwateringvegan.com/
[14:51:38] <rooks> TekniQue, im not convincing you to do anything. but theres direct link to better health of people who follow vegan or even mostly vegan (i.e. bear grylls http://www.beargrylls.com/health.html ) diet
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[14:54:09] <rooks> not all vegan are good, since diet coke + fries are also a vegan meal, but when you balance out and even reduce meat intake youll see results that might push you to exploring it further :)
[14:56:03] * anonimasu turned a precision chimney part this afternoon
[14:57:10] <TekniQue> I was more thinking about switching to an all-meat diet
[14:57:43] <anonimasu> that's not really healthy either
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[15:01:13] <rooks> it might work in the past when meat wasnt spiked with antibiotics, hormones, gm foods, contaminated foods due to poor location of farms near some industrial plants, and germs due to poor treating of it in the shipping... meat these days dont frollick on grass where you could hunt it
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[15:05:17] <mazafaka> no, it's ridiculous... How will you for example cycle for long at once after meat? Human body works badly on 1. whatever thermally prepared and 2. meat
[15:06:57] <mazafaka> not all need the benefits, but many of such people turn to vegan diet at very adult age, when they're already old. Why? They understand something. They would do it earlier.
[15:09:03] <mazafaka> Being raw vegan is like seizing the simpler and happier life, non complicated one, rooks And speaking of me, it's better to represent one than saying something about it. 'Cause you will not say it to, for example, drunk bikers in their club. But beng one of many, you already can say something out loud.
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[15:24:33] <pcw_home> Russian vegan biker dudes whats this world coming to ? :)
[15:24:45] <JT-Shop> LOL
[15:26:44] <danimal_garage> hi
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[15:30:01] <Loetmichel> hmmm... work over today. Going home... hopefully wife has the two 600gr Steaks on the grill... HUNGRY! ;-)
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[15:30:34] <skunkworks_> 600gr - what the heck. I could never get used to that.
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[15:31:38] <jdhNC> too small?
[15:32:12] <danimal_garage> there's a little servo cnc desktop 3 axis mill for sale locally for $100
[15:32:26] <danimal_garage> looks american made
[15:33:01] <danimal_garage> i think it runs on mach3 or something
[15:33:19] <danimal_garage> i emailed the guy, i hope i get it :)
[15:33:53] <danimal_garage> it would be good for engraving
[15:34:53] <JT-Shop> neat!
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[15:35:25] <danimal_garage> looked pretty nice, there's no spindle though
[15:35:54] <JT-Shop> got a link?
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[15:37:22] <danimal_garage> http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/tls/2499091693.html
[15:40:08] <pcw_home> looks like a deal
[15:40:58] <jdhNC> I have a couple of machines at work with ~10 each of those amps
[15:41:37] <danimal_garage> yea, hope i get it!
[15:41:58] <archivist_emc> have you started driving over to fetch it yet!
[15:42:00] <danimal_garage> you think it has ball screws?
[15:42:18] <danimal_garage> gotta wait for a phone number or a call back!
[15:42:26] <archivist_emc> :)
[15:42:59] <syyl> if the servo drives work, its more than worth the 100$
[15:43:00] <syyl> :D
[15:43:13] <JT-Shop> I just tried to drill 3125" on my VMC and it let me try :/
[15:43:15] <syyl> the machine itself doesnt look to bad, also
[15:43:53] <jdhNC> http://www.jetec.com/brochures/lms_series.html
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[15:46:56] <danimal_garage> probably good enough for a high speed spindle for engraving, huh?
[15:47:10] <danimal_garage> accuracy within .001"
[15:47:36] <syyl> i think its also good enough for milling in plastics/wood
[15:47:50] <syyl> if it has ballscrews
[15:47:54] <danimal_garage> i wish it came with the printer part
[15:48:09] <danimal_garage> i dont think it has ball screws
[15:48:23] <syyl> maybe belt drives
[15:48:32] <danimal_garage> hmm maybe
[15:48:35] <syyl> would fit the printer application
[15:48:39] <syyl> fast an cheap
[15:48:45] <danimal_garage> yea
[15:49:19] <jdhNC> the Y looks like an enclosed screw
[15:51:30] <anonimasu> JT-Shop: what kind of feeds and speeds?
[15:51:46] <anonimasu> JT-Shop: um.. sorry read that as material number..
[15:53:48] <JT-Shop> anonimasu: ?
[15:54:22] <JT-Shop> ah, I put 3125 instead of 3.125 for my total Z :/
[15:54:37] <syyl> that hurts, hm?
[15:55:06] <JT-Shop> got a nice divot in the center of my new vise before I could stop it
[15:55:27] <archivist_emc> just a war wound
[15:55:36] <syyl> every vice needs some scars
[15:56:18] <syyl> also did a fairly deep cut in my new screwless grinding vice...
[15:56:47] <rooks> mazafaka, life is a balance between whats right and whats feasible :) sure its fun to make some stuff on your own, but there are machines for a reason, i dont think you go to the river to drink some water from it, but you use some containers or pipes to bring it to you. at some cost to its quality
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[16:00:09] <rooks> mazafaka, even crows/rooks use cars or trams (i seen one for myself) to split open some nut... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0 :)
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[16:05:29] <sliptonic> Hello, all. I'm still trying to find some documentation about 'K words' a wiki search is coming up pretty thin. I'm trying to understand this syntax: G43.1 k[#5063-#1000], particularly the 'k'.
[16:05:42] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[16:10:26] <JT-Shop> sliptonic: did you look in the manual?
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[16:12:46] <sliptonic> I did a google search on 'linuxcnc' for a couple keywords and didn't get anything helpful. Links t o forum posts and such where the syntax is used but nothing very manual-ish.
[16:13:18] <danimal_garage> pretty sad, i took a bunch of parts to get anodized at a professional anodizing place and they didn't come out as good as my home anodizing
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[16:14:26] <JT-Shop_> I'm not sure what "manual-ish" means but did you open up the User Manual and look at G43.1?
[16:14:55] <JT-Shop_> or go to the Documents page and view the HTML docs online
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[16:18:59] <sliptonic> JT-Shop_: Perhaps I'm still in the wrong spot. I've been looking here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode_main.html#sub:G43
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[16:19:50] <JT-Shop> that is the right spot
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[16:20:44] <JT-Shop> I don't see a K word used with G43.1
[16:22:13] <sliptonic> I'm doing manual tool length calibration as described here: http://jager.no/news/calibrating-tool-length-with-a-probe-in-emc2
[16:22:18] <sliptonic> This works.
[16:22:47] <sliptonic> I'm now trying to get a heekscnc post processor to insert the relevent code automatically on tool change.
[16:23:32] <sliptonic> The 'k' in there is messing up the post processor. So I was trying to find out what it does and if there was another way but the documentation isn't clear.
[16:24:21] <JT-Shop> might be a typo on jager, I don't see the K word used with G43.1
[16:24:42] <JT-Shop> or the manuals are wrong, I have no way to check
[16:27:09] <sliptonic> Are 'k words' described generically somewhere else?
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[16:30:07] <JT-Shop> they could mean anything in different g codes AFAIK
[16:30:55] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode_overview.html#cap:Words-and-their
[16:32:08] <alex4nder> hey
[16:32:17] <sliptonic> JT-Shop: Cool. Thanks.
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[16:46:13] <KimK> sliptonic: I took a look at the manual, I don't see anything about G43.1 and K. G43.1 is a tool offset, so, XYZABCUVWis good, but nothing about IJK. Where did you see the K?
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[17:01:03] <mazafaka> danimal_garage: with what metal do you cover the steel?
[17:03:01] <mazafaka> I once tried some blue cover onto aluminum, which originated from the 'Tide' detergent. There were a lot of smells, e.g. of chlorine. Awful. One wheel's hub is made this way.
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[17:08:04] <danimal_garage> huh?
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[17:09:53] <mazafaka> danimal_garage: they are anodized with what?
[17:10:22] <mazafaka> danimal_garage: What brush for angle grinder would you use for paint removal?
[17:11:15] <danimal_garage> sulferic acid and electricity
[17:11:31] <jdhNC> grit blasting
[17:11:34] <mazafaka> danimal_garage: What's the thread which doesn't screw up - what jeans are better, blue or gray?
[17:11:40] <danimal_garage> i don't know, i usually just use a paint stripper
[17:12:04] <mazafaka> and paint stripper is some acidic liquid?
[17:12:27] <danimal_garage> i have no clue, all i know is it works well
[17:12:34] <mazafaka> "grit blasting"?
[17:12:52] <skunkworks_> danimal_garage: looks like a good match for mesa card. (analog servos)
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[17:13:07] <skunkworks_> *analog servo drives
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[17:13:16] <danimal_garage> skunkworks: i have a feeling it's sold
[17:13:21] <danimal_garage> no reply yet
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[17:13:54] <skunkworks_> awww
[17:14:09] <danimal_garage> didnt think there were that many cnc geeks in San Diego
[17:14:30] <mazafaka> sand blasting, but I can not afford it to myself (or I will have to work two month to buy an air compressor of suitable power)
[17:14:43] <danimal_garage> they're all usually too busy catching a wave, brah.
[17:15:22] <jdhNC> you can use lye for paint removal, it's cheap and painful
[17:15:34] <mazafaka> may I ask, how often is it common to take a ride on bicycle (with wife, for example)? And on a bike?
[17:17:12] <mazafaka> jdhNC: no, i don't want it. in fact, i have no water in the garage (garage is a block of garages) somewhere in industrial district of the town
[17:17:50] <mazafaka> i'm using grinder with a pin to which i clamp short stripe of paper
[17:18:57] <mazafaka> but it's 125 W and I have to switch it off each 15 minutes
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[17:20:06] <mazafaka> I have bought some brush with steel wires but it grinds the body steel as well as the paint on it.
[17:20:52] <mazafaka> now plan to buy the one with thin wires (when will be at town at a daylight :)
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[17:35:45] <mazafaka> he did it in a baseball hat
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[18:04:22] <mazafaka> rooks: looking that video, he is explaining everything nicely
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[18:24:10] <danimal_garage> well there's good news and bad news on that little cnc machine
[18:24:41] <archivist_emc> whats the good news
[18:25:12] <danimal_garage> good news is he has one left (he had 2). The bad news is someone offered him more and he said i'd have to beat it ($150). If he wants more than $200, i'll probably pass.
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[18:25:35] <danimal_garage> i gotta wait till 4 to take a look at it
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[18:26:31] <danimal_garage> my guess is it isn't too rigid of a machine
[18:26:51] <archivist_emc> probably as its a non contact printer
[18:27:09] <danimal_garage> yea
[18:27:21] <danimal_garage> i wonder if i can get the printer parts for it
[18:27:37] <danimal_garage> i'd love to use it as a part marker
[18:27:47] <archivist_emc> but it may be ok if its rigid enough for high speed work, or add stiffening
[18:27:49] <danimal_garage> thats all i'm going to do with it anyways
[18:28:04] <danimal_garage> ink would be easier than engraving
[18:28:12] <danimal_garage> yea
[18:28:23] <danimal_garage> all i'm doing with it is engraving
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[18:36:02] <danimal_garage> he said it's screw driven and it's all steel
[18:36:20] <danimal_garage> he claims it's pretty solid
[18:36:26] * mrsunshine__ needs a nice block of cast iron
[18:36:32] <mrsunshine__> to make a true "straight" block :/
[18:36:41] <danimal_garage> i'm going to look at it in 4 hours
[18:37:00] <danimal_garage> i got some mrsunshine__
[18:37:12] <mrsunshine__> well im sure you are in another country for starters :P
[18:37:29] <danimal_garage> usa?
[18:37:33] <mrsunshine__> <-- sweden :P
[18:37:37] <danimal_garage> ha
[18:37:43] <alex4nder> mrsunshine__: what are you using it for?
[18:37:49] <danimal_garage> well send me a volvo, and i'll send you some iron
[18:38:23] <mrsunshine__> alex4nder, scraping in the mill and need to check towards the table dovetails how straight the table is, if it needs to be lowered in one or the other side
[18:38:30] <alex4nder> ah
[18:39:03] <mrsunshine__> or i will have to turn the table over, mill of the feet to true them somewhat to the tables guides, then measure and scrape the feet in then measure the alignment :P
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[18:39:30] <mrsunshine__> buttcrap of work =)
[18:39:48] <anonimasu> danimal_garage: pattern etching :D
[18:40:48] <danimal_garage> yea maybe
[18:40:55] <danimal_garage> pretty excited to get it
[18:41:58] <mazafaka> may I ask, how to differentiate between supermotard and motard?
[18:42:27] <mazafaka> supermotards as a sport class are "new" flat trackers, right?
[18:43:37] <alex4nder> I thought supermotard was offroad/road combo racing?
[18:43:58] <alex4nder> so bikes with travel that will handle really rough terrain, but that also have performance on tarmac.
[18:44:02] <mazafaka> not really off-road, just the ground/tarmac
[18:44:44] <mazafaka> so, former flat trackers would be "supermotards" at present?
[18:45:03] <alex4nder> supermotards will do jumps and stuff like a dirt bike
[18:45:24] <mazafaka> and motards? the same name or something dofferent?
[18:45:39] <mazafaka> ok, i understand now.
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[18:48:11] <mazafaka> what if front fork is slightly too rigid, is it OK at usual road bike?
[18:48:35] <alex4nder> what is too rigid? you mean the front shock and spring setup?
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[19:04:53] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: you get the little CNC machine?
[19:05:42] <danimal_garage> good chance of it, i'm supposed to go look at it at 4
[19:05:48] <JT-Shop> cool
[19:05:49] <danimal_garage> it's 12 now
[19:06:53] <danimal_garage> i need to find a spindle now
[19:07:08] * JT-Shop goes to cut in the walls where the roller won't reach
[19:17:48] <mazafaka> alex4nder: front springs are a little bit too rigid, they are from a heavier motorcycle. the shock absorber is of this bike
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[19:21:52] <mazafaka> hah, "motard" := a cross between moron and retard from Urban dictionary :)
[19:27:20] <JT-Shop> YIPPEE! today is moving day :)
[19:28:06] <mazafaka> moving somewhere on gold wing?
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[19:31:32] <danimal_garage> paint is done?
[19:31:51] <JT-Shop> just trimming out the east and north walls now
[19:31:59] <danimal_garage> cool
[19:32:47] <danimal_garage> it's funny that you know the directions of your walls
[19:32:55] <danimal_garage> i have no clue which side of my house is south
[19:33:20] <mazafaka> JT-Shop: Was the area for the floor anyhow prepared, or it is just flattened and lay on the ground?
[19:33:20] <danimal_garage> nor do i really care, i have no views lol
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[20:12:39] <JT-Shop> mazafaka: http://gnipsel.com/shop/foundation/foundation.xhtml
[20:21:18] <mazafaka> JT-Shop: I have seen it. I don't understand, this area was prepared or it is "regular" ground onto what you put this transparent material and steel wire.
[20:23:05] <mazafaka> the soil looks quite firm, but I used to think there are more preparations needed to get the floor done.
[20:23:08] <JT-Shop> what do you mean by prepared? other than making it flat...
[20:23:31] <JT-Shop> ah depends on the soil for sure
[20:23:38] <mazafaka> i thought some eavy vehicle put its weight to the ground to make it dense
[20:25:37] <JT-Shop> the ground is almost solid rock and clay so no compaction needed... some areas might need lots of work before pouring
[20:27:23] <danimal_garage> are all the machines going in there?
[20:27:35] <mazafaka> yeah, some parts of earth here (e.g. 1 meter to 2 meters) can go up and down in spring, and some rigid foundation must be used.
[20:28:13] <mazafaka> we live between hills, near the river.
[20:28:25] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: yes all the metalworking machines go in the new shop
[20:28:27] <danimal_garage> i live in a van, down by the river
[20:28:32] <danimal_garage> cool
[20:28:52] <mazafaka> and what about old building?
[20:28:53] <danimal_garage> i'm completely out of room, this mini mill is going to have to go in my office
[20:29:19] <mazafaka> what, plan to use dremel as the spindle?
[20:29:43] <danimal_garage> no clue
[20:29:48] <mazafaka> I have one, but it's Skil Tool
[20:29:57] <mazafaka> for engraving?
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[20:35:36] <mazafaka> This is nice to work near your home. My garage is 15 or 20 minutes afar (I walk through the town.) It's hard in winter, trying to keep it warm, using curtain from this material beneath your floor. Now we're making an oven, and we plan to use some old wooden stuff and coal, but i will not sit in the garage when oven is heating the garage. Plan to stay outside the doors, I maybe will MTB-ing in snow, depends on the temperature. With -20 C down to -40 C, mount
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[20:42:23] <mazafaka> oh, old building is the garage in fact, didn't see it http://gnipsel.com/shop/roofing/roofing-19.xhtml
[20:46:22] <mazafaka> i also did some repair in my apartment (70 meters squared.) Rubbed dirty limestone on walls with some mesh-alike sandpaper, by hands. Put a layer or two of limestone back to it. 5 buckets of dust from the apartment, one bucket of soaked limestone back to the apartment.
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[22:20:55] <nicko> ello all
[22:21:18] <nicko> I'm going to be home in about hmmm 4 hours
[22:22:00] <nicko> I have a bodged .hal file and .ini file that I'd like to cut down and remove redundant code
[22:22:11] <nicko> I think there might be some ...
[22:22:32] <nicko> but cant be sure without a heap of testing, and I;m not sure the best ways to test and so on
[22:22:58] <nicko> Was wondering if I could post it somewhere and if anyone is keen - could they have a look?
[22:23:57] <nicko> I think by stripping it down and removing 'junk' I will have a clean slate on which to build on - but at least (hopefully) have some form of a machine described than just a blank file (the ultimate blank slate)
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[22:26:56] <JT-Shop> just start from scratch with a stepconf or sample config and copy needed items one by one testing after each addition
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[23:29:43] <JT-Shop> is BACKLASH a valid entry in an AXIS section of the ini for a 5i23 using HostMot2?
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[23:52:58] <KimK> JT-Shop: I think BACKLASH is a valid entry in an [AXIS n] section for anything.
[23:55:12] <KimK> I'll be back later
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[23:56:42] <JT-Shop> maybe not
[23:57:01] <JT-Shop> you can put anything in the ini file and if it is not used it is just ignored