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[00:40:26] <JT-Shop> it was too hot to drink beer at the ball park today... brutal hot
[00:42:47] <danimal_garage> no such thing as too hot for beer
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[00:44:01] <JT-Shop> it was hot enough for a 12 pack of water on ice... well I had a couple of beers when we got there but water the rest of the day
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[00:45:07] <danimal_garage> you must be getting old
[00:45:08] <danimal_garage> lol
[00:45:25] <danimal_garage> i live in the desert and it has never been too hot for beer
[00:45:35] <JT-Shop> I must be LOL
[00:45:57] <JT-Shop> the desert is a dry heat not hot and moist where sweat just sits on your skin
[00:46:17] <danimal_garage> i grew up in CT with the humidity
[00:46:52] <danimal_garage> but 118f is pretty friggin hot, dry or not
[00:47:00] <JT-Shop> it can be brutal to an old fart with less than a whole heart muscle
[00:47:16] <JT-Shop> yea, 118f is too hot to hold on to
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[00:47:45] <danimal_garage> i'm about to try to start my motorcycle for the first time since i cut it apart
[00:47:57] <JT-Shop> I was putting ice under my hat to keep my core temp at check
[00:48:04] <JT-Shop> get a video with sound
[00:48:35] <danimal_garage> i will, assuming it starts
[00:48:50] <danimal_garage> i made the wire harness, sooo......
[00:48:57] <danimal_garage> we'll see
[00:49:15] <danimal_garage> i think the exhaust is going to be too lout
[00:49:17] <danimal_garage> loud
[00:49:30] <JT-Shop> does it have electronic ignition?
[00:49:35] <danimal_garage> yes
[00:49:50] <danimal_garage> i kept most of the stock electronics
[00:49:55] <JT-Shop> no baffles inside of the chamber
[00:50:02] <danimal_garage> some baffles
[00:50:07] <danimal_garage> but still...
[00:50:13] <danimal_garage> we'll see
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[00:51:27] <JT-Shop> you going to inject gas into the chamber and spark it off?
[00:51:36] <JT-Shop> flames coming out would be cool
[00:51:59] <danimal_garage> ha i thought about that
[00:52:10] <danimal_garage> did you see the exhaust?
[00:52:18] <JT-Shop> yes
[00:52:27] <JT-Shop> I like it!
[00:52:51] <danimal_garage> thanks!
[00:54:09] <danimal_garage> brb, gunna hook up some juice and try
[00:54:24] <JT-Shop> ok, I'm heading in to veg out
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[01:22:47] <Valen> time to find out why machine is loosing steps
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[01:22:59] <Valen> the big problem is its a servo machine
[01:23:31] <danimal_garage> what kind of drives?
[01:23:48] <Valen> servo
[01:23:57] <Valen> mesa to drive some scavanged scooter motors
[01:24:01] <danimal_garage> well duh
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[01:24:02] <Valen> with linear scales for feedback
[01:24:06] <danimal_garage> ah
[01:24:35] <danimal_garage> do the drives take step/dir, or analog?
[01:24:54] <Valen> PWM from the mesa 5i23
[01:25:05] <Valen> its a mesa "amp"
[01:26:05] <danimal_garage> ah
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[01:27:31] <danimal_garage> how bad is it off?
[01:27:49] <Valen> drifts a few mm over time
[01:28:03] <cradek> are your encoders differential?
[01:28:06] <danimal_garage> sure it's not a loose coupler or something?
[01:28:30] <Valen> no, TTL but its been running well for a while so i'm going to bust the scope out on it
[01:28:32] <danimal_garage> well i guess it cant be if it's a linear scale
[01:30:22] <cradek> just one axis, or all?
[01:30:35] <Valen> just 1
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[01:52:44] <danimal_garage> hmm it aint starting
[01:52:47] <danimal_garage> it has spark
[01:53:38] <danimal_garage> wont even fart.
[01:59:34] <danimal_garage> guess i'll put more gas in it.... wonder if it's not enough to get to the petcock
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[02:01:06] <danimal_garage> ah, the petcock isnt opening
[02:03:41] <Jymmm> GET A TORCH!
[02:05:21] <danimal_garage> yea, that'll open up the petcock
[02:05:27] <danimal_garage> and the wall in my garage
[02:05:55] <Jymmm> Expansion time!
[02:16:00] <danimal_garage> yay it started
[02:16:06] <danimal_garage> exhaust sounds good!
[02:16:08] <danimal_garage> deep
[02:16:19] <danimal_garage> pretty quiet, considering
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[02:58:13] <Jymmm> what started?
[03:03:28] <Tom_itx> 111F here today
[03:05:07] <Jymmm> where's here so I know not to go there
[03:07:08] <ds3> where is here?
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[03:12:55] <Tom_itx> Ks
[03:13:22] <Tom_itx> 50 mi N was 112F, dubbed the hottest city in the US
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[03:48:49] <factor> was over 100of here as well, yesterday I know heat index as 118of
[03:49:06] <factor> trying to make my parts outside. just drained me today
[03:49:21] <factor> was not hot it was hawt
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[06:09:40] <anonimasu> can I run multiple 7i43's on the same system?
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[06:21:16] <jimbo132> KimK: are you out there?
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[06:35:19] <KimK> jimbo132: I'm in and out for a bit, what can I do for you?
[06:37:01] <KimK> jimbo132: I'll check back in a few.
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[06:50:19] <KimK> jimbo132: OK, I'm checking back again.
[06:50:34] <jimbo132> KimK I picked up some for my lathenew drives
[06:51:12] <KimK> Great! Something that will work for you?
[06:52:10] <jimbo132> advanced motion controls 30a8t 30 amp peak 80 volts
[06:52:28] <jimbo132> analog +- 10 volt input
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[06:53:04] <KimK> Sounds good, are those the brushless kind?
[06:53:55] <jimbo132> these are for brushed DC motors with tach inputs
[06:54:38] <jimbo132> My motors have tachs and can handle 30 amps peak.
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[06:55:59] <jimbo132> I will now be able to set them up for velocity mode.
[06:56:14] <jimbo132> again.
[06:56:38] <KimK> And that's what you have (brush), so you don't have to mess around with the drives? Even better. Do you mind if I ask what you had to pay? And do they come with a transformer?
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[06:57:11] <KimK> Oh, and single-phase AC in, I'm guessing?
[06:57:22] <jimbo132> Theycost me $30.00 ea on ebay I bought 7.
[06:58:03] <KimK> Nice, got an item number handy?
[06:58:08] <jimbo132> Up to 80 volts DC . My power supply is 80 volts.
[06:58:23] <jimbo132> Bought the last 7.
[06:58:43] <jimbo132> 170632679165
[06:58:45] <KimK> Oh, the amps are DC in? OK.
[06:59:49] <jimbo132> I purchasedextras as They may work on my series 1 bridgeport.
[07:00:52] <jimbo132> The drives on my bridgeport sing. Sucks.
[07:01:24] <KimK> Well, good luck, we'll look forward to hearing all about it. And seeing pictures.
[07:01:59] <jimbo132> What would you do with theencoders?
[07:02:37] <KimK> Do you have some now?
[07:03:06] <jimbo132> Yes looks like 635 counts per rev.
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[07:04:07] <jimbo132> 625
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[07:07:31] <jimbo132> KimK: my motors are a 1:1 ratio. Should I change the X to a 2:1 ratio?
[07:08:23] <KimK> So 625 x 4 = 2,500 Counts/rev. Average might be 1,000 (4,000) or 1,024 (4,096). So they're a little lower (coarser) than average, but not bad. And they're probably already mounted? And you're probably approaching your budget limit? I'd probably use them and live with it.
[07:08:45] <KimK> This is a Bridgeport? So 0.200" per turn?
[07:09:31] <jimbo132> I am refering to the YAM lathe.
[07:09:49] <KimK> Oh, OK, what's the screw pitch?
[07:10:12] <KimK> Probably 5mm or 10mm?
[07:11:06] <jimbo132> Not sure I will have to test and find out. It is a Anilam lathemaster conversion on a YAM.
[07:12:04] <KimK> Let's guess 5mm, you said it was only 2,500 lbs. So 5mm / 2500 = .002mm per count. Not terrible.
[07:12:50] <jimbo132> So leave well enough alone is good...
[07:13:10] <KimK> Are you planning on doing any +/- .001mm work? It wouldn't work in that case, even if the machine is tight.
[07:14:00] <jimbo132> Most tolerances will be around .001 in
[07:14:29] <KimK> If you find that your encoders aren't differential, you can use those "cable lump" drivers they sell for the CUI encoders, those are handy.
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[07:16:37] <jimbo132> What encoder count would you be looking at for greater +/- .001mm?
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[07:20:44] <KimK> .002 / 25.4 = .0787401 per count (a bit less than a "tenth", 0.100 would be a "tenth" (one-ten-thousandth) Your encoders will increment on non-integer numbers in inch mode, is that OK? (It doesn't matter to the cutting.)
[07:24:06] <KimK> Well, if you were starting from scratch, no encoders, I might say USDigital E6D, 2500 line 10,000 count. (Assuming you have hardware to count with, no PP for these.) 5mm / 10,000 = .0005mm. Or .0005 / 25.4 = .019685039 per count, about 20% of a "tenth".
[07:26:10] <jimbo132> As long as SAE threading is not a problem. no big deal. I think the Mesa analog board is able mcount that.
[07:26:45] <anonimasu> sae threading?
[07:27:33] <jimbo132> standard american enginering
[07:27:42] <anonimasu> yeah but what problems with that?
[07:27:44] <KimK> back in a bit
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[07:39:44] <jimbo132> out for the night. thanks and bye....
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[07:46:57] <mazafaka_> "automotive lacquer" or how is it called?, the last layer of paint on the cars
[07:47:59] <anonimasu> clearcoat
[07:58:02] <anonimasu> the mesa board should count up to 2mhz...
[07:58:05] <anonimasu> brw..
[08:01:35] <KimK> Ha, clear lacquer, paint thinner, from what I understand, all the stuff they can't use anymore. They make them use some water-based stuff to avoid VOCs, only they're highly toxic, so they tell me? Moon suits and special breathers. A guy I know got out of the car body business because he didn't want to be around it anymore. Is it true? I don't know.
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[08:04:02] <mazafaka_> Can I use "tuned up-the-ass stuff" in an official letter, and does it written correctly?
[08:04:51] <KimK> I would advise not to.
[08:06:36] <KimK> (I don't know what kind of "officials", but some might consider it offensive. Just my opinion. )
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[08:16:59] <mazafaka_> I'm joking, off course it's offensive.
[08:18:55] <mrsunshine> gaaah i need a garage with a pit or whatever its called
[08:19:18] <mazafaka_> pit?
[08:19:36] <mrsunshine> hole in the ground so i can go under the car =)
[08:19:40] <mazafaka_> I am working in my garage, there are not many instruments available, a friend of mine makes some details on lathe. I have recently bought small angle grinder (of some well-known brand, hope it will be quite durable for its price) to clean metal from rust and paint more quickly, but some space around corners will yet be cleaned with my mini-drill with a self-made tool which holds short stripes of sandpaper (small bolt which screwed part is cut lengthwi
[08:19:50] <mrsunshine> need to get the fuel tank down as the fuel pipes broke and aparently cant get to them without removing the tank :/
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[08:24:42] <mhaberler> KimK: psha and me would like to add gladevcp as a proper chapter under User Interfaces, and polish it up
[08:25:23] <mhaberler> I just pulled v2.5_branch and have issues with building it (eg the spanish pdfs)
[08:25:30] <mhaberler> does this build for you right now?
[08:26:15] <KimK> mhaberler: Sure, anything is fine, that would be great. Please also add anything that you add to the same place in the matching _de, _es, and _fr files.
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[08:26:33] <mhaberler> my question really goes to the build
[08:27:45] <mhaberler> starting from a clean pull, eg I get rm: cannot remove `../docs/src/Master_User_es.pdf': No such file or directory
[08:28:52] <KimK> It builds the pdfs, maybe excepting for the man pdf, I forgot. But there are issues with the html part. At the top of the Submakefile in docs, there are several (what was it?) checkref (all four) checkref_en, checkref_de, checkref_es, checkref_fr. The checkref_fr seemed to work, but I thought that it might still be relying on old LyX files, I don;t know.
[08:29:12] <KimK> Are you on v2.5_branch?
[08:29:18] <mhaberler> I see - I might need to touch <foo>_es.txt
[08:29:21] <mhaberler> yes
[08:29:56] <KimK> All the "new" files should be there, I did add them. Let me know if not.
[08:30:56] <KimK> They're there, but in (mostly) english. Except for the French one, that's mostly French with a smattering of English.
[08:32:05] <nicko> hello all
[08:32:22] <KimK> There's supposed to be 18 pdfs now. There might be only 17 if the man pdf is missing, I was still working on that and a few other things, but now something has come up, and thought I'd better push it now.
[08:32:31] <nicko> anyone here ok to talk about open collector outputs and confusion I have ?
[08:32:50] <KimK> Sure nicko, how are you confused?
[08:33:38] <nicko> I dont know! so its a real confusion - I have a Mesa 5i22 here and I;m trying to interface it with a drive
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[08:34:34] <nicko> pages 13 and 14 of this .pdf show the inputs of the drive:
[08:34:35] <nicko> http://www.granitedevices.fi/assets/files/vsd-e_160_manual.pdf
[08:35:10] <KimK> s/French one/French ones/ There are four each of "Getting Started", "HAL Manual", "User Manual", and "Integrator Manual", plus "Developer Manual" (English only) and "man pdf pages" or similar. So 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 +1 +1 = 18 if all there.
[08:35:33] <nicko> I need to send PWM and Dir signals to the differential inputs shown in the list and 'figure 8' diagram on page 14
[08:35:35] <mhaberler> KimK: could it be the docs/src/common/translator-needed*txt files are missing?
[08:35:56] <mhaberler> (not in index/commited/pushed?)
[08:36:05] <nicko> I need to send an enable signal to the type of input in figure 10
[08:36:42] <KimK> Only if I forgot to commit them, I could fix that real quick. Is that what I did? I was worried I'd botch it up somehow. Let me look.
[08:36:49] <nicko> I get lots of explanations and theory - but it all seems to either contradict other advice or what the manual is telling me
[08:37:06] <nicko> in any case ... it aint working here
[08:37:27] <mhaberler> happens to me all the time
[08:38:41] <mhaberler> that's why it is a good idea once in a while to do it in a test directory with a clean pull so you see what other people will se; local unstaged files create a wrong picture
[08:41:03] <mhaberler> nicko: you might get away just connecting them single-sided; is the 5i22 really open-collector? I though it can source as well
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[08:43:17] <mazafaka_> What time is at your area, guys?
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[08:43:28] <mhaberler> 10:43 am
[08:43:37] <mazafaka_> oh, 15:43
[08:45:02] <nicko> mhaberler: it can source or be open collector - option available via hostmot commands
[08:45:08] <nicko> PCW says it needs to be
[08:45:22] <nicko> sourcing just aint working
[08:45:29] <nicko> but its all above my head as to why not
[08:45:44] <mhaberler> so what does the voltmeter say
[08:46:13] <nicko> voltmeter says +5v on the output pin of the 5i22
[08:46:15] <nicko> Yay!
[08:46:47] <KimK> mhaberler: I took another look, there were actually two pairs of files (four total) that I forgot. So thanks for finding my mistake!
[08:46:53] <nicko> but when I connect it to the input on the drive I get no 'enable' and I now see 0.6v difference between that pin and GND
[08:47:28] <nicko> this is the case of the 'figure10' input in that manual page I liked
[08:47:31] <nicko> linked
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[08:48:40] <mhaberler> forget the drive, set port to 1, connect a 220 ohms resistor to ground and measure
[08:49:07] <mhaberler> do you get enable if you connect to +5V straight?
[08:49:10] <KimK> back in a few...
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[08:50:41] <mhaberler> looking better, though: what puzzles me: rm: cannot remove `../docs/src/Master_User_es.pdf': No such file or directory
[08:51:19] <mazafaka_> What current goes to the drivers? 5V ? What current goes from the driver to motor? Same 5V ? I don't quite understand it.
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[08:51:58] <nicko> drive needs 6.3mA to go logic high (from specs)
[08:52:46] <nicko> 5i22 'can supply 400mA' - **not sure if thats each pin, all pins, or just the +5v pin that each header block has**
[08:53:24] <nicko> the frustrating part is that because I am confused the nature of confusion in that I cant describe the problem properly
[08:53:31] <nicko> except to say 'it dont work'
[08:54:03] <mhaberler> must be the +5v pin, this aint your car stereo
[08:54:28] <nicko> righto
[08:54:31] <nicko> makes sense
[08:55:00] <KimK> Was that from a "make clean"? So that it can't delete that file unless it was built previously?
[08:55:41] <nicko> dang, I gotta go - its like I need PCW and the drive manufacturer to talk it over and supply me with a drawing of what to do
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[08:56:08] <nicko> I know that in say (hopefully) a week it'll all make sense - but I'm afraid to say I need my handheld on this one ;)
[08:56:11] <nicko> oh dear
[08:56:32] <nicko> gots go !
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[08:56:40] <KimK> nicko, the 5i22 has an assortment of jumpers
[08:56:53] <KimK> for each port to set 3.3v/5v
[08:57:30] <KimK> in different ways, check the manual. Or at least figure out what you want to do and come back and talk about it.
[08:57:39] <KimK> Bah!
[08:57:45] <KimK> Too slow.
[08:59:32] <KimK> Ha! I feel like Marty in "Back to The Future": "If only I had more time... Wait a minute, I've got a time machine!"
[09:00:50] <mhaberler> the a2x step on Master_User_es.pdf fails - do you see that as well?
[09:00:56] <KimK> !later nicko (sent via later) nicko, the 5i22 has an assortment of jumpers for each port to set 3.3v/5v in different ways, check the manual. Or at least figure out what you want to do and come back and talk about it. Bye!
[09:01:17] <Valen> found the problem with my servo system loosing steps
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[09:01:22] <Valen> dead linear scale
[09:01:27] <Valen> $400
[09:01:29] <Valen> ouch
[09:04:15] <KimK> Well, as I said earlier, I have about risen to my level of incompetence on the Makefile and Submakefile business, I need some help to make any more progress. So I may have missed any number of important clues. I was delighted to discover the checkref_en, checkref_de, etc. I even tried to add the new ones (by rote, hoping I'd done it right). But I think it needs a better cmake troubleshooter than me.
[09:05:18] <KimK> Valen: Ouch indeed. Is it repairable? Either by you or by a trip back to the factory?
[09:05:40] <Valen> dunno, need the mill working, but i'll look into it
[09:08:06] <KimK> mhaberler: I also posted this earlier in devel, looking for help or advice. So far nothing. http://pastebin.com/XnstH7GA
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[09:09:48] <psha[work]> KimK: it's not used
[09:10:11] <psha[work]> it was referenced in HTML_TARGETS but now seems commented
[09:10:15] <mhaberler> man, this needs a cleanup
[09:12:29] <KimK> It has been not used for awhile, but the cross-refs have been gone awhile too. Could they come back? Plus, I was trying to get rid of everything I could that relied on the departing LyX. That's why I added the substitute txt for txt (obviously not needed), but I wanted to show I was replacing the ,lyx for .txt, or vice versa, whatever it was.
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[09:13:39] <KimK> I added all the _de and _es stuff by copying and crossing my fingers.
[09:13:47] <Valen> any idea what the warranty is like on easson scales?
[09:14:30] <psha[work]> KimK: for xrefs there are links.db files - simple 'ref: doc'
[09:14:33] <KimK> And the long filter strings too. And don't think I didn't consider changing the English file extensions to _en.txt, but I decided I'd better not.
[09:16:14] <KimK> psha[work]: Clearly you think you're talking to someone who knows cmake, lol.
[09:17:08] <KimK> Anyway, that's another reason I pushed, to get some proper help for it.
[09:17:20] <psha[work]> KimK: heh, so what you want? crossref table?
[09:17:29] <psha[work]> or what?
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[09:17:49] <psha[work]> bbl
[09:18:27] <KimK> Well, I was wondering if that's what was commented out, why it was commented out, and if we can do anything to get it working again. Assuming it ever worked to begin with, which is an open question.
[09:19:55] <KimK> Valen: Sorry, can't help you there, but I imagine they would brag about their warranty to prospective purchasers on their webpage.
[09:20:18] <KimK> back in a bit...
[09:20:32] <mhaberler> KimK: if you do a make clean, and build - do the docs actually build, or does the build break
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[09:25:12] <KimK> mhaberler: I thought it got through almost all or almost all of the pdfs but then had issues after that. But let me try it again... OK, back. When I looked, it had all 4 "getting started", and the first two "User" (English & German). But I did a make clean and I'm retrying now. More news shortly.
[09:25:32] <KimK> back in a bit
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[09:28:17] <KimK> Oh, I took to running cmake with -d and redirected >1 2>&1 which resulted in about a 140K line file, but very detailed and helpful for debugging. Drives gedit nuts to load it though, takes it awhile.
[09:29:01] <mhaberler> the issue seems to be with Master_User_es.txt - if I replace it with Master_User.txt contents, build completes
[09:30:42] <Valen> their web page doesn't seem to exist really
[09:31:06] <Valen> at least not in english
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[09:31:54] <KimK> Ah, I'll bet I know. I found it to be an issue that internal cross references could not have any accented characters, it would crash the build. Maybe I forgot one? I took to following their lead and not allowing spaces either, I subbed dashes as they did. Maybe that was for HTML reasons? Anyway, I followed suit, no accented characters, no spaces in the internal links. Index triple parens seemed OK though.
[09:32:46] <mhaberler> could be it, trying same trick on Master_HAL
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[09:34:03] <psha[work]> KimK: it was commented out since there was introduced other mechanism to create cross-doc links
[09:34:06] <KimK> If the links "missed" or were "undefined" that was OK, because you would get the error in the "-d" report, it stopped normally, logging the error. But the accented characters made it choke.
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[09:34:50] <mhaberler> yep, replace Master_HAL_es.txt contents with Master_HAL.txt and build completes finally
[09:35:19] <KimK> At least that's the way it appeared, and I was more interested in making progress then investigating why I couldn't.
[09:35:21] <mhaberler> KimK: do you have an example (file, line) of such a bad xref?
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[09:35:49] <KimK> Maybe, let me look.
[09:36:25] <mhaberler> maybe there's a way to grep for them, must be one of the _es.txt files but not Master_*es.txt
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[09:38:43] <KimK> Yes, I would sometimes have to do a "manual git bisect" when I got no feedback. I'd comment out the first half of the master file and run the second half, and vice versa, and narrow it down that way.
[09:39:19] <mhaberler> dont we all love the pinpoint capability of asciidoc error messages..
[09:39:48] <KimK> And I did a lot of grepping too, I'm still not a grep expert, but I'm a lot better at grepping now then when I started.
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[09:42:08] <KimK> No, I dont have such an example, but anytime there was an accented character (I was working french, mostly) in the title line, the translator would tend to duplicate it in the link brackets. So there's your accented character. I thought I got rid of all those?
[09:42:41] <KimK> s/title line/chapter line (whatever)/
[09:42:52] <KimK> back in a bit...
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[09:44:42] <mhaberler> I still have to find a file included from Master_User_es.txt which has actual Spanish in it, assuming that might be a breakage candidate
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[10:07:51] <mazafaka_> This damn proprietary CAM has so many windows and lines to check that I just spend another 20 minutes each time I am a bit inattentive. This time it's Lathe.
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[10:38:28] <anonimasu> mazafaka_ mastercam works great.
[10:50:36] <mazafaka_> maybe...
[10:51:20] <mazafaka_> it's sprutCAM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGmYmzlQWtI
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[11:48:17] <psha[work]> are there any examples of good MPG's for emc2?
[11:50:10] <jthornton> in the manual
[11:53:19] <psha[work]> thx
[11:53:39] <jthornton> might be one on the wiki too
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[12:43:49] <mazafaka_> goddamn hacked software stopped to work and had to reinstall the system
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[13:05:47] * Loetmichel sits behind his his car with open trunk at the backdoor of his compani and is milling some brass sheet or EMIshielding for my company.
[13:06:35] <Loetmichel> i think its time too put the CNCmill back in to my workshop, i'm driving it around for four weeks now ;-)
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[13:21:09] <Loetmichel> #http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12120
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[14:25:32] <mazafaka_> Had beeh have to read at the backdoor couch o
[14:29:16] <mazafaka_> Have anyone of you been have to make the G-code for the family, in public at the street? Could be exciting! Who knows... (Oh still know English after today intellectual rush.)
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[14:46:30] <jimbo132> where do I find the list of supported Mesa cards?
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[15:03:04] <jimbo133> does hostmot2 support the mesa 5i25? Is this a good choice for an analog servo lathe?
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[15:21:03] <JT-Shop> jimbo132: in the manual
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[15:22:47] <JT-Shop> I think that is one of the new ones
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[15:26:13] <jimbo132> I will order a 5i20 then.
[15:26:28] <JT-Shop> are you in a hurry?
[15:27:26] <jimbo132> would like to start the project in rwo weeks when I return.
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[15:27:40] <mazafaka_> JT-Shop: hey, it's 5V current what goes from power sipplier to drivers and then to motors?
[15:28:31] <JT-Shop> jimbo132: you better go with the current stuff then like 5i20 7i33ta 7i37ta cards
[15:28:35] <jimbo132> JT-Shop: just trying to save $100.00
[15:28:51] <JT-Shop> :)
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[15:31:02] <jimbo132> My mill has the 5i20 and 7i33. What other cards would be a good choice fo analog servos?
[15:31:06] <jimbo132> for
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[15:32:32] <ssi> you suppose anyone's successfully used EMC to do spindle synchronized turning for something like polygon turning or cam turning?
[15:32:38] <JT-Shop> the 7i33ta is the card I use for servo drives
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[15:32:58] <JT-Shop> ssi dgarr does
[15:33:13] <JT-Shop> real beautiful work :) too
[15:33:18] <ssi> sweet! do you know what the application is?
[15:33:50] <JT-Shop> wood carving
[15:33:58] <JT-Shop> real neat stuff he does
[15:34:15] <JT-Shop> but not cam turning
[15:34:23] <ssi> gotcha
[15:34:48] <JT-Shop> someone else has done cam.... sorta andy did a hex on his lathe
[15:34:53] <ssi> I'd like to play with it
[15:35:00] <ssi> I also have a need to get a rotary broach here soon
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[15:35:12] <ssi> littlemachineshop.com has a cheap rotary holder and broaches, but they're out of stock on the holders :(
[15:35:20] <JT-Shop> there was a link a while back for making them
[15:35:31] <JT-Shop> looked easy enough to make one
[15:35:32] <ssi> yeah
[15:35:38] <JT-Shop> you saw it?
[15:35:39] <ssi> it's just Yet Another Project :D
[15:35:44] <ssi> rather spend $80 and have it finished
[15:35:44] <ssi> heheh
[15:35:46] <JT-Shop> LOL
[15:35:55] * JT-Shop gets back to work now making machines
[15:35:58] <ssi> :P
[15:36:28] <ssi> I'm making those aeroquip mandrels, and Spruce is gonna carry them for me, but I need to make a change from teh aeroquip design
[15:36:36] <ssi> so I'm going to broach a square-drive in the end for a ratchet
[15:36:38] <ssi> :D
[15:38:11] <jdhNC> anyone have a grizzly g0704? or something close?
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[15:38:33] <Connor1> I do. :)
[15:38:38] <jdhNC> heh
[15:38:45] <Connor1> What's wrong ?
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[15:39:04] <jdhNC> do you know what these are: http://www.artichoke.org/010.JPG
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[15:39:25] <Connor> How many do you have ?
[15:40:04] <jdhNC> just those, they seem to have fallen out in shipping. I figured out where the rest of the parts went.
[15:40:20] <Connor> Check the head swivel
[15:40:46] <jdhNC> ok... I never did see how that worked.
[15:40:58] <JT-Shop> ssi: got a link to the aeroquip mandrels?
[15:41:08] <Connor> 2 Bolts, 1 in center, 1 below.. That looks to be the one below..
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[15:41:28] <jdhNC> also, on the head, on the right side.. on the front, there is a hex set screw... on the back there is an empty hole (they are almost, but not quite, inline with the quill handle)
[15:41:32] <Connor> I just got through moding mine for a 3 bolt setup.
[15:41:46] <jdhNC> err... on the side, the front one is there, the back one seems to be missing?
[15:42:17] <Connor> the empty hole isn't empty.. Set screw in it that needs to be removed if you plan on pulling the head off.
[15:42:50] <jdhNC> have you removed yours? are you going to lap and/or replace the big strips?
[15:43:09] <Connor> I removed the head from the Z slide..
[15:43:15] <jdhNC> err... gib strips
[15:43:25] <Connor> I've not removed the Z slide yet.
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[15:43:38] <Connor> I just pulled the head off, and drilled two more holes.
[15:43:44] <jdhNC> how much does the head way?
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[15:44:02] <Connor> I can lift it.. I would say 40-50lbs without the motor.
[15:44:12] <jdhNC> you took the motor off first?
[15:44:17] <Connor> I took the motor off before removing the head.
[15:44:18] <Connor> yea.
[15:44:38] <jdhNC> I ended up renting an engine hoist to put it on the base, and move it in to position
[15:44:56] <Connor> I took the arabor they supplied for the chuck, and mounted it in my vise.. Use V blocks if you have them.
[15:45:21] <Connor> Yea. I didn't have to rent one.. I borrowed a chain lift and used that unistrut.
[15:45:26] <jdhNC> how do you get the spindle cover off?
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[15:45:41] <Connor> the black thing, or the green cover ?
[15:45:48] <jdhNC> black plastic
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[15:46:07] <Connor> the black cap pops out if you man handle it enough.. but, just take the green thing off.
[15:46:37] <Connor> give the motor a little more air so it doesn't over heat.
[15:46:38] <jdhNC> the metal green gearcase cover?
[15:46:43] <Connor> yea.
[15:46:53] <mrsunshine> yeey, my new carbide scraper works niceley =) like 60cm shaft on it made it real nice to stand and scrape with it =)
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[15:47:28] <Connor> I even remove the stupid chip guard and switch..
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[15:47:53] <jdhNC> I ran mine for 10mins or so at 600, all I've had time for
[15:47:59] <Connor> You can use 1 of the 2 wires and plug it into where the 2nd wire goes and by-pass the chip guard switch.
[15:48:57] <Connor> I even removed the spindle control box.. I need to wire it back in.. but, it's not going to be on the machine, or, if it is. I'll mount it on the column instead of the head.
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[15:50:03] <jdhNC> do you have to remove the spindle cover to use collets?
[15:50:10] <Connor> yes.
[15:51:02] <mrsunshine> but i have a problem with the scraping, during spotting i now had nice spots all over the ways, but when i started fine scraping the spots at the end of the ways disapeard totaly directly ...
[15:51:19] <Connor> and, the manual, or design is fracked up.. you can't tighten up the draw bar using the small wrench and larger wrench on the cap (which is the cap to break the drawbar loose...
[15:51:27] <Connor> they're both the same threaded direction..
[15:51:39] <Connor> the bottom one needs a set screw or something..
[15:53:29] <Connor> and if you hear a rattle at low RPM, it can be coming from the drawbar if you didn't put in a collet, OR the retainer clip cup being slightly off center..
[15:53:41] <Connor> and, it only goes 1/2 speed in reverse.
[15:53:47] <jdhNC> so you just beat the plastic thing until it comes off?
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[15:54:41] <jdhNC> 960x640
[15:54:53] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[15:55:34] <Connor> to be honest.. I think I ended up removing the green housing and removing it from the bottom.
[15:56:01] <Connor> after which.. I played with it for a few minutes, and then promptly decided I didn't need either one. :)
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[15:58:43] <tom3p> mrsunshine, did you convert a sawzall or soemthing?
[15:58:53] <mrsunshine> sawzall ?
[15:59:06] <tom3p> motorized reciprocating saw
[15:59:13] <mrsunshine> no, no powerscraper :P
[15:59:17] <mrsunshine> hand scraping still
[15:59:30] <jdhNC> you coudl do some damage with a sawzall scraper
[15:59:43] <Connor> What are you using the scraper for ?
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[16:14:58] <Connor> yea, the G0704 is nice, it has a few oddities, but, overall I'm impressed.. not saying much as a novice..
[16:15:32] <jdhNC> have you cut anything?
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[16:18:59] <Connor> I milled out a few squares and stuff in a plastic box for AC outlets...
[16:19:42] <jdhNC> I need a vise, collet set, hold-downs, boring set.
[16:19:50] <jdhNC> among other stuff I suppose
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[16:21:19] <Loetmichel> jdhNC> looks like MY art of working
[16:21:39] <Connor> yea.. Go with the TTS.
[16:21:56] <jdhNC> pricey isn't it?
[16:21:58] <Connor> I went ahead and got a set of standard R8 Collets from Grizzly..
[16:22:11] <Connor> You have a lathe?
[16:22:11] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12120 < i work even in the car ;-)
[16:22:27] <jdhNC> I have a lathe in-progress
[16:22:35] <Connor> Loetmichel: Rotate picture please. ?P
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[16:22:48] <Connor> jdhNC: Alot of people make they're own tool holders.
[16:22:48] <Loetmichel> moment
[16:22:55] <jdhNC> just needs some cleanup though
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[16:23:38] <Connor> I still need a good vise, parallel bars, v blocks and endmills.
[16:24:53] <Connor> Loetmichel: What the heck are you doing in the car with it?
[16:26:45] <Loetmichel> Connor> went to a Quadrokopter-convention a few weeks ago, still didnt find time to get it back in the workshop
[16:27:00] <Connor> Cool
[16:27:13] <Loetmichel> and today i needed some Brass sheet milled to be a EMI shield
[16:27:23] <Loetmichel> so i milled it ;-)
[16:29:18] <Connor> Okay, so, question.. Is it normal for a drill bit to become magnetized while drilling through metal? In this case, it was cast metal (iron?)
[16:30:47] <Connor> When I was drilling the holes for the 3 bolt mod in my 704, the bit or shavings would become magnetized.. I ended up having to use some rare earth magnets on a screw driver to remove the filings and clean out the hole I was working on.. (broke a 1/8" drill bit off ugg..)
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[16:33:15] <JT-Shop> you talking about cheap chinlee bits from griz or quality bits?
[16:33:53] <archivist_emc> and was the metal you were cutting also magnetic
[16:33:56] <Loetmichel> Connor: better?
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[16:33:58] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12129
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[16:37:38] <JT-Shop> Sweet! got both vises indicated and centered up on the VMC :)
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[16:48:13] <mazafaka_> Do you sell the scrap back to the companies?
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[16:48:47] <mazafaka_> back to your suppliers? E.g. all this stuff from the woek at Lathe.
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[17:03:41] <danimal_garage> hi
[17:04:41] <JT-Shop> was it loud?
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[17:06:31] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: hallo
[17:06:53] <IchGuckLive> Hi
[17:07:00] <Connor> Was what loud?
[17:07:21] <danimal_garage> it sounded like a typical crotch rocket with aftermarket pipes
[17:07:28] <danimal_garage> perhaps a little deeper
[17:07:32] <JT-Shop> cool
[17:07:53] <danimal_garage> tolerable i would say
[17:08:01] <danimal_garage> it won't rev up though
[17:08:08] <jdhNC> connor: url/ref for the 3-bolt mod? from the cnczone thread?
[17:08:17] <Loetmichel> whats a crotch rocket?
[17:08:19] <Loetmichel> fart?
[17:08:23] <danimal_garage> i think it's running lean
[17:08:29] <danimal_garage> sport bike
[17:08:32] <Loetmichel> ah
[17:08:34] <danimal_garage> motorcycle
[17:08:36] <JT-Shop> no back pressure will make it run lean
[17:08:45] <JT-Shop> and put holes in the pistons
[17:08:49] <danimal_garage> it has pod filters on it too
[17:08:50] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop_machines/111863-hosss_g0704-142.html
[17:08:55] <Connor> that has the pattern.
[17:08:58] <danimal_garage> yea, i was going to rejet it
[17:09:01] <Connor> let me grab the link to video
[17:09:10] <jdhNC> can't really do video here
[17:09:51] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: i had a 50ccm 2t bike a LONG time ago whic i had "tuned" by inserting a heating fan from an old beetle between carbuiretor and engine.
[17:09:58] <Loetmichel> -> electrical turbo ;-)
[17:10:00] <Connor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2wP5PJYwRk
[17:10:09] <Loetmichel> ran like hell...
[17:10:14] <Connor> jdhNC: Oh. okay.. well.. print out that pattern.. cut out the center.
[17:10:18] <Loetmichel> ... for about 100 miles
[17:10:19] <IchGuckLive> isent this the center ring for a mold to be fixed on the mashine
[17:10:31] <Connor> remove the head.. and use center punch to mark new holes..
[17:10:40] <Loetmichel> then: engine stops, no compression...
[17:10:57] <Connor> drill bit size is... 15/32
[17:11:02] <Loetmichel> dismantled it: 2cm big hole in the middle of the piston ;-)
[17:11:05] <danimal_garage> i have to not looking forward to jetting 4 carbs
[17:11:22] <danimal_garage> whoops.. -i have to
[17:11:56] <Connor> start small, step up to you get to 15/32. of course.. you'll have to undo the two bolts holding the Nut to the slide, then use a coat hanger to fish those other two bolts into the slide.
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[17:12:49] <Connor> re bolt the slide to nut, raise the slide all the way to top and loosen the bolts and let it "float" for a few seconds, and then tighten up.. (so it won't bind up.)
[17:13:32] <jdhNC> did you do anything with the bolts at the base?
[17:14:19] <Connor> no. I pulled the other bolt and compared them.. they're the same.. I think Hoss's machine was older and not quite the same.
[17:14:32] <Connor> or the bolts he had weren't the same.
[17:16:11] <Connor> why no video? machine can't do it, or you at work ?
[17:20:12] <anonimasu> anyone has a clue on insert life in 400bhn material?
[17:21:02] <JT-Shop> too many unknown variables to guess
[17:21:45] <anonimasu> hardox 400
[17:21:47] <anonimasu> flame cut
[17:22:05] <anonimasu> i think i have my carbide grade wrong, since they only last about 50 minutes in cut
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[17:22:50] <danimal_garage> make sure you cut under the crust from the flame cut
[17:23:09] <danimal_garage> that is likely what's killing the insert
[17:23:23] <IchGuckLive> 50min on 1.2316 at 2.5mm with 80mm width and 1500mm/min at 60m/min is pretty good !!!
[17:24:10] <anonimasu> 20mm cutter 2 inserts
[17:24:20] <anonimasu> about 0.06 per tooth
[17:24:38] <IchGuckLive> no calculate only 0.02 for 1 teeth
[17:24:39] <danimal_garage> mill or lathe?
[17:24:52] <anonimasu> mill
[17:24:56] <danimal_garage> oh
[17:25:33] <mazafaka_> Finally, a success, I have edited the parameters of cutters for the Lathe, used three cutters and made the shaft for the carriage of the bicycle. The video is about to be recorded right now.
[17:25:43] <IchGuckLive> 0.06 is way to match U=1500?
[17:25:47] <JT-Shop> anonimasu: dry or wet?
[17:25:51] <anonimasu> flood coolant
[17:26:02] <danimal_garage> try dry
[17:26:20] <JT-Shop> could be fracturing your inserts, all I have say dry on steel
[17:26:30] <JT-Shop> or air blast
[17:26:32] <danimal_garage> are the inserts burning up or are they chipping?
[17:26:42] <anonimasu> they are wearing out
[17:27:00] <danimal_garage> if the tips are wearing and blackish, your burning them up. if they're just chipping, it's a different story
[17:27:02] <anonimasu> edge is getting dull until I see sparking
[17:27:08] <danimal_garage> too fast
[17:27:34] * anonimasu ponders ordering ceramic inserts for the cutter
[17:27:38] <IchGuckLive> as i said 0.02
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[17:27:59] * JT-Shop always looks at the cutting charts for the inserts I buy
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[17:28:03] <anonimasu> that equates to like 200mm min with my max spindle speed
[17:28:21] <anonimasu> anyway 30- 40 minutes per 2 inserts is that poor?
[17:28:26] <anonimasu> (in cut)
[17:28:44] <danimal_garage> depends
[17:28:57] <IchGuckLive> someone nows inseerts with only 0.1R 90deg for a sharp 45deg
[17:29:19] <IchGuckLive> http://mechmo.de/preagerad_low.mpg
[17:29:33] <IchGuckLive> this is how mi üpart looks
[17:29:51] <anonimasu> I checked that and it's 0.1 to 0.06 per tooth
[17:29:51] <anonimasu> 1mm depth per pass
[17:30:21] <IchGuckLive> 0.01
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[17:30:38] <willburrrr2003> Good morning all :)
[17:30:45] <IchGuckLive> hi willburrrr2003
[17:31:07] <willburrrr2003> hope everyone had a good weekend
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[17:31:28] <anonimasu> lag. what did I iss?
[17:31:30] <anonimasu> miss
[17:32:19] <anonimasu> logger[psha]: !thislog
[17:32:39] <anonimasu> IchGuckLive: that's way too slow
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[17:32:56] <IchGuckLive> 0.02 i said
[17:33:05] <IchGuckLive> at 1500U
[17:33:11] <anonimasu> IchGuckLive: 1500u?
[17:33:29] <IchGuckLive> 60 to 70 mm
[17:33:38] <IchGuckLive> at max 2.5mm
[17:34:01] <IchGuckLive> depth and about 100 with
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[17:34:19] <IchGuckLive> dry aircoold
[17:34:55] <anonimasu> tomorrow, seco tech support I guess will help with that
[17:38:01] <IchGuckLive> anonimasu: http://www.secotools.com/en/Global/Services--Support/Machining-Navigator/+
[17:38:33] <anonimasu> that's the data I were using
[17:38:49] <anonimasu> it usually works out very well, with nice tool life in normal materials
[17:38:55] <anonimasu> but this is harder then the usual stuff
[17:39:24] <IchGuckLive> as it sais 0.01 to 0.06 you got the max but if you go with 0.02 it will not fail on your mat
[17:43:40] <IchGuckLive> anonimasu: tol life is messured to 140ft 40m
[17:44:03] <IchGuckLive> at 100mm witdt
[17:44:10] <anonimasu> but my cutter is 20mm
[17:44:36] <IchGuckLive> same insert only less inseerrts
[17:44:49] <anonimasu> so, it should live like 1/6th of that
[17:44:53] <anonimasu> with less inserts
[17:44:58] <IchGuckLive> you got 2 this got 7
[17:45:24] <anonimasu> so my tool life should be about 8 meters
[17:46:10] <anonimasu> and at a feed of 400mm/mim that means 19-20 minutes
[17:46:10] <IchGuckLive> with 8um rabish on the insert
[17:46:33] <anonimasu> I guess that they are simply wearing out, and I should get a different grade for hard stuff
[17:46:51] <IchGuckLive> B)
[17:47:10] <anonimasu> IchGuckLive: since my life is pretty much exactly that calculated
[17:47:37] <anonimasu> gack, if i only had a toolchanger so I could load up 4 identical tools :p
[17:47:40] <IchGuckLive> <- Good Calculation :D O.O
[17:48:07] <anonimasu> so my insert life is pretty much spot on with the seco one
[17:48:17] <anonimasu> a tiny bit more when being conservative
[17:48:22] <IchGuckLive> you got it
[17:53:25] <willburrrr2003> inverting an input pin is done in the HAL on the setp line for the pin correct?
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[17:56:10] <IchGuckLive> by for today
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[18:07:43] <Xolotl4> what is better, installing linuxcnc in a compactflash card or in a Secure digital card and use and adapter to sata?
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[18:09:57] <JT-Shop> willburrrr2003: for the parallel port?
[18:10:47] * anonimasu yawns
[18:10:54] <anonimasu> tomorrow is the day to test the big servos :]
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[18:11:50] <Xolotl4> for solid state hard drive
[18:12:08] <Tom_itx> hdd
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[18:30:33] <danimal_garage> so the issue with my computer shutting off after a while was likely something with the onboard video
[18:31:01] <danimal_garage> i threw in a real video card and it hasn't shut off since
[18:31:24] <JT-Shop> cool
[18:31:54] <danimal_garage> it got better after i swapped the ram, but i figured the extra ram was just helping the onboard video out a little since it was shared memory i think
[18:32:53] <willburrrr2003> JT-Shop : yes for the parallel port pins
[18:34:01] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/hal_parallel_port.html#r1_1_1
[18:35:34] <willburrrr2003> JT-Shop: wow that is even easier than I thought it would be :)
[18:35:42] <JT-Shop> there you go
[18:38:46] <anonimasu> tomorrows project a hilsch vortex tube.
[18:40:12] <willburrrr2003> that fix is a lot easier then getting my closed loop spindle control working hehe, but it will work soon enough
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[18:45:50] <skunkworks> cradek: note to self - when downloading the last probing routine.. Make sure you change the ball size... ;)
[18:46:22] <danimal_garage> break something?
[18:46:32] <skunkworks> nope. just a little off ;)
[18:46:36] <skunkworks> fixable
[18:46:49] <danimal_garage> thats good
[18:47:01] <danimal_garage> i should make a probe
[18:47:12] <skunkworks> it is funny how you remember those things after the part is machined.
[18:47:17] <danimal_garage> lol
[18:48:52] <willburrrr2003> yup, killed a miniature piston I was making the other day because I forgot to change a tool offset since I had changed the tool that was in the holder....waaay to much off on what was supposed to be my finishing cut hehe
[18:48:58] <archivist_emc> part of the learning process
[18:49:09] <JT-Shop> Hey Dan my XL200R started first kick after doing all that work to it :)
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[18:52:39] <mazafaka_> How can I assign tool offset for particular tool number?
[18:54:03] <danimal_garage> nice John!
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[18:54:19] <willburrrr2003> I load the tool, call tool change to that tool and then touch it off on unused co-ordinate system
[18:54:46] <willburrrr2003> or you can manually edit the tool table information for that tool...
[18:56:02] <skunkworks> danimal_garage: the axis issue I was having looks like it was a amp. mesa was sending out 10v and the amp was doing nothing. sometimes
[18:57:15] <danimal_garage> hmm that sucks
[18:57:58] <danimal_garage> easy fix, or do you have to replace it?
[18:58:21] <danimal_garage> how did you figure it out, crank up the ferror so you could see it?
[18:58:40] <skunkworks> we had a few extra
[18:58:43] <skunkworks> yes
[18:59:15] <skunkworks> the y axis would just drop as the amp did nothing - yet emc was output a full 10v saying - go the oposite way!
[18:59:30] <danimal_garage> are you still using those giant hydraulic servos?
[18:59:54] <danimal_garage> youch
[19:00:09] <skunkworks> no - we replaced them with kilamorgan servos - 80's vintage. so far so good.
[19:00:39] <skunkworks> these
[19:00:41] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/DSC_0242.JPG
[19:00:42] <danimal_garage> kilamorgan or kolmorgen?
[19:00:49] <skunkworks> right ;)
[19:01:02] <skunkworks> inland
[19:01:55] <danimal_garage> those are the new ones?
[19:02:08] <danimal_garage> i thought those were the old ones
[19:02:25] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/yaxis/yassembly.JPG
[19:02:42] <skunkworks> they are old - the ones that where on the machine where hydraulic servos
[19:02:49] <skunkworks> even older :)
[19:03:27] <danimal_garage> ah
[19:03:33] <skunkworks> they where scavenged off of a nc that was getting scrapped locally. guy told dad to come and take what he wanted. so we took the servos and ball scress
[19:03:35] <skunkworks> screws
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[19:04:11] <danimal_garage> sweet!
[19:04:16] <danimal_garage> good deal
[19:04:19] <JT-Shop> yea, it surprised me I was ready to kick it over again when I realized it was running
[19:04:28] <danimal_garage> haha John
[19:04:50] <danimal_garage> Mine started right up after i realized the petcock was stuck. I rebuilt it and she fired right away
[19:05:03] <JT-Shop> nice
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[19:05:36] <skunkworks> they are a good match to the hydraulic ones.. peak they are 40ft-lbs with these amps
[19:05:43] <danimal_garage> minor wire harness issue, but i figured it out
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[19:05:57] <skunkworks> so that is around 80ft-lbs at the ball screw
[19:06:04] <danimal_garage> wow
[19:06:10] <danimal_garage> plenty!
[19:06:40] <skunkworks> it forms things easy.. not usually on purpose.
[19:07:36] <mazafaka_> Hey, is this a sufficient explanation of the tool used: "drill and small bolt which screwed part is cut lengthwise to hold short stripe of sandpaper"
[19:08:10] <danimal_garage> lol
[19:08:34] <danimal_garage> my lathe "formed" an 1/8" thick plate of 6al4v titanium
[19:08:40] <danimal_garage> bent it 90 degrees
[19:08:49] <mazafaka_> Also, see the video about my work in SprutCAM - I have created G-code for Lathe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMwbgCiFtm8
[19:09:06] <danimal_garage> not impressive for some machines, but these servos are tiny so i was really suprised
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[19:24:29] <skunkworks> mazafaka_: I saw that - nice work
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[19:34:01] <mazafaka_> maybe
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[19:36:14] <Tom_itx> jy
[19:36:32] <Jymmm> Color 3D Printer... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw
[19:36:48] <Tom_itx> mm autocomplet failed me
[19:36:59] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, link me that psu for those apex cases
[19:37:33] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I forget the details, refresh my memory
[19:37:49] <Tom_itx> that itx case from newegg for itx
[19:38:21] <Tom_itx> you found the replacement supply for them
[19:38:28] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I've been lookin at a LOT of cases, mobo, etc. What type os PS? 1U Pico?
[19:38:39] <Jymmm> s/os/of/
[19:38:45] <Tom_itx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154091&cm_re=mini_itx_case-_-11-154-091-_-Product
[19:39:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: that one comes with a PS.
[19:39:19] <Tom_itx> it sure does
[19:39:30] <Tom_itx> but you found the replacement for it
[19:39:37] <Jymmm> Oh, hang on
[19:39:55] <Tom_itx> anonimasu pay attention
[19:41:58] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: this one? http://www.apextechusa.com/products.asp?pID=42
[19:42:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817154024
[19:43:17] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Same wattage, and looks the same to me... http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/11-154-091-08.jpg
[19:44:43] <Tom_itx> ok, thanx
[19:44:48] <Jymmm> http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/11-154-091-11.jpg
[19:45:03] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: your ps died?
[19:45:09] <Tom_itx> no
[19:45:16] <Tom_itx> anonimasu was asking what i used
[19:45:29] <Jymmm> ah
[19:45:33] <mazafaka_> How do I dynamically tell EMC the tool offset?
[19:51:41] <mrsunshine_> hmm, spotting from a scraped surface to another wasnt to easy :/
[19:51:50] <mrsunshine_> doesnt look right to me :P
[19:52:10] <newbynobi> mazafaka: Just use G43.1 I or K with the specific length
[19:54:30] <mazafaka_> ok, newbynobi
[19:55:11] <Tom_itx> mrsunshine_ check it with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_force_microscopy
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[20:00:19] <Jymmm> Need Bearing? MAKE SOME!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7h09dTVkdw&NR=1
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[20:05:21] <syyl_> those are going to be precision spindle bearings, Jymmm :D
[20:05:48] <factor> sweet video
[20:05:55] <factor> love that printer
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[20:06:59] <mrsunshine__> hmm, is it good or bad that the oil sucks the sliding thick stuck at the base of the mill so hard i can freakin lift it when i test it out with oil ? :P
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[20:08:07] <mazafaka_> all these massages are somewhat devilish. and love is the only answer
[20:08:22] <syyl_> can you move it sideways?
[20:08:26] <syyl_> without stickslip?
[20:08:55] <mazafaka_> s/massages/passages
[20:08:58] <mazafaka_> :)
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[22:02:33] <andypugh> PCW: Should the driver send the DoIt of it sees a transfer error?
[22:02:56] <andypugh> And how can I force a transfer error? (Unplug the cable?)
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[22:20:03] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZDlyLI_jbc
[22:20:13] <skunkworks> sucks he took the videos down of the hexapod
[22:21:20] <skunkworks> (that is what is doing the probing.)
[22:21:28] <PCW> Yes the transfer error indicates the last transfer failed (sure, you will get nothing but transfer errors if you pull the plug)
[22:22:48] <andypugh> So, should I send a doit, or skip a doit?
[22:23:40] <PCW> send, transfer failed means that last transfer failed could be minor like a CRC error
[22:24:01] <tom3p> skunkworks haha he used body piecing parts for touch probe ( does it say ouch when it probes ")
[22:24:27] <andypugh> OK. I did have the feeling that not sending a DoIt would mean there was no chance of the error clearing.
[22:25:07] <skunkworks> heh
[22:26:09] <danimal_garage> isn't a doit the weird mascot of Little Ceasar's Pizza from the 80's?
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[22:27:29] <danimal_garage> oh that's the noid :)
[22:28:28] <PCW> Andy yes the data register will stay forever with the last error status unless you do a new command
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[22:56:02] <andypugh> I have lost the parameter list again, I thought it was in "General machining centre info" but I can't see the full one...
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[22:57:04] <mikeggg> any thoughts on cutting ~4 extra feet of motor lead off before I make a mistake?
[22:57:29] <andypugh> There are #5NNN codes for current XYX etc
[22:57:51] <andypugh> mikegg: I wouldn't until you were very sure it all worked.
[22:58:10] <andypugh> If it is a servo motor lead that is about $100 worth...
[22:59:15] <mikeggg> oh yeah, it's heavy duty 3 conductor with a ground and a shield
[22:59:50] <mikeggg> I dunno, I think I have a pretty static configuration
[23:00:08] <mikeggg> I have an old computer case on the side of my mill that holds all the electronics
[23:00:37] <tom3p> whats the bad thing about not cutting it ?
[23:00:42] <mikeggg> the only case I could picture regretting it is if I ever wanted to swap it out and out it on a different machine
[23:01:24] <mikeggg> good question.
[23:02:23] <mikeggg> if you loop it all together, it basically becomes an inductor, no?
[23:03:04] <andypugh> I it is only this stuff I wouldn't worry: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Cable_Index/Multi-Flex/index.html
[23:03:38] <andypugh> Yes, but looping it into an inductor might damp the chopper spikes, and make for less RF noise.
[23:03:46] <tom3p> dont loop, loops cause mini-transformers that induce voltages to nearby wires.. use rats nest ( read allaboutit Peas of NatSemi sez 'rats nest!" )
[23:04:18] <tom3p> http://www.national.com/rap/
[23:04:36] <mikeggg> what If I can make a loop away from other wires?
[23:05:17] <Tom_itx> even with shielded wire?
[23:06:15] <tom3p> look at this experts analog wiring on his book cover http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yRYDyg3hL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg
[23:07:31] <Tom_itx> i'd say that was intentional, ya think?
[23:07:54] <tom3p> he really maes a point of it, he has a prototyping method called 'hairball'
[23:08:03] <mikeggg> hah
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[23:08:09] <tom3p> but keep high voltages away from low voltage
[23:08:15] <tom3p> keep ac away from dc
[23:08:21] <tom3p> blah blah blah
[23:09:00] <tom3p> he designs opamps for a living for nat semi ( well just recently laid off )
[23:09:42] <tom3p> anyways a great read
[23:11:08] <mikeggg> oh dear, i'm going to need a 5i20 too
[23:11:30] <mikeggg> gah, and lot's of 50 pin ribbon
[23:11:56] <Tom_itx> you should have saved all your scsi drives
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[23:14:25] <PCW> Unfortunately Bob Pease got that permanent layoff notice June 11 RIP
[23:15:17] <JT-Shop> PCW: is the 5i25 the new card you were talking about?
[23:16:05] <PCW> Ive been pretty mum about the 5I25
[23:17:35] <mikeggg> heh, it's a trap!
[23:17:40] <PCW> Dont want to pull an Osborne
[23:18:06] <JT-Shop> LOL it is on the web site :)
[23:18:17] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/probe_index.php
[23:18:31] <PCW> Well you cant buy it yet
[23:18:39] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: neat
[23:18:51] <Tom_itx> needs a bit of work still
[23:19:39] <PCW> did you solder wires to the balls?
[23:19:41] <JT-Shop> yea, I don't see the 7i76 or 7i77 yet... but I'm good at waiting
[23:19:47] <Tom_itx> PCW, not yet
[23:20:04] <PCW> That seems like the ugly part
[23:20:13] <Tom_itx> meh
[23:20:21] <JT-Shop> do you need some kind of driver circuit for the balls/rods part?
[23:20:30] <Tom_itx> it's a switch
[23:20:35] <Tom_itx> you could debounce it i suppose
[23:20:52] <JT-Shop> just wondering if more voltage would be better or not
[23:21:26] <andypugh> Instead of soldering wires, could you jam wires into the holes with the balls?
[23:21:27] <PCW> I dont think you want debounce, first open edge is a hit
[23:21:45] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i doubt that would be a solid connection for long
[23:21:53] <andypugh> And I would imagine that you want the smallest possible voltage for the smallest possible break-gap
[23:22:06] <PCW> how about spot weld thin SS wire
[23:22:08] <JT-Shop> that's why I'm asking
[23:22:14] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Best would be spot-weld.
[23:22:17] <Tom_itx> if i really wanted to, i could take them down to my battery shop and let him spot weld some wires on em
[23:22:35] <andypugh> I think that is three votes for spot weld :-)
[23:22:36] <JT-Shop> TIG weld the wires on...
[23:22:50] <PCW> Yea those thin nickle tabs
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[23:23:05] <JT-Shop> like for ni-cads?
[23:23:10] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:24:04] <andypugh> We used to spot-weld very thin stainless wires to fracture specimens to measure crack growth. I reckon you could do it with a 12V supply set to miniscule current and a capacitor.
[23:24:14] <Tom_itx> or make your own with your car battery
[23:25:00] <andypugh> Tom_itx: You want a carefully controlled amount of energy. Say a 1000uF @ 6V.
[23:25:08] <Tom_itx> yeah
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[23:25:56] <ds3> is there a page on welding with capacitors?
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[23:26:23] <Tom_itx> there shouldn't be
[23:26:56] <ds3> it would be a handle way of tacking together some thin peices of metal
[23:27:59] <andypugh> http://www.pittnerovi.com/jiri/hobby/electronics/welder/index.html
[23:28:06] <andypugh> Looks a bit OTT
[23:28:10] <mikeggg> some of my old coworkers have that equipment
[23:28:28] <mikeggg> http://www.evicient.com/
[23:29:23] <mikeggg> use it to weld nickel (i think) tabs on battery packs
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[23:35:21] <danimal_garage> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YgfSnBwhIA
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[23:35:33] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop: video of it running
[23:35:55] <danimal_garage> it was recorded on my cell phone, so i think the audio clips out when it revs higher
[23:35:59] <JT-Shop> Dan funny title
[23:36:17] <andypugh> You know you were hoping it wasn't too loud...
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[23:36:40] <danimal_garage> lol
[23:36:48] <danimal_garage> it's not horribly loud, i can deal
[23:37:07] <danimal_garage> that's in the garage right next to the closed garage door. outside it'll probably sound half as loud
[23:37:10] <JT-Shop> not bad, better when your outdoors and you don't get the reverb from the walls
[23:37:15] <danimal_garage> yea
[23:38:18] <danimal_garage> i don't even have the springs to pull the header tubes to the exhaust pipes yet, it's all just slipped togehter
[23:38:31] <danimal_garage> doesn't really leak though, which is good
[23:38:51] <danimal_garage> once i get the springs, it won't leak at all
[23:38:54] <JT-Shop> someone asked me how I could hear the stereo over the engine on my goldwing... I said the engine is running!
[23:39:03] <danimal_garage> haha
[23:39:04] <l0st1nsp4c3> what kinda cad/cam software you guys use? blender? cambam? heekscnc?? etc etc?
[23:39:09] <danimal_garage> those things are nce
[23:39:15] <danimal_garage> mastercam x3
[23:39:30] <Tom_itx> smartcam freeform
[23:39:54] <JT-Shop> OneCNC
[23:40:03] <andypugh> I don't know what (if anything) to do about the headers on my R1. The downpipes are titanium, with a flange on both ends. The keeper plates were once mild steel, but are now iron oxide. I might have to come up with some clever, interlocking, stainless, retro-fittable flanges.
[23:40:04] <JT-Shop> and Solidworks
[23:40:08] <danimal_garage> how do you like that JT-Shop?
[23:40:16] <JT-Shop> Solidworks?
[23:40:24] <danimal_garage> no, onecnc
[23:40:28] <danimal_garage> i have solidworks
[23:40:43] <JT-Shop> it's ok, not as good as they claim on the UI part
[23:40:54] <Tom_itx> none are
[23:41:04] <danimal_garage> andypugh: can you weld ti?
[23:41:11] <JT-Shop> You can get the job done but it is click, click, click, click...
[23:41:28] <danimal_garage> ah
[23:41:36] <andypugh> l0st1nsp4c3: AutoDesk Inventor. However I also have Alibre, and it is about 75% of Inventor for 5% of the price, so would be my recommendation if you don't mind working in Windows.
[23:42:12] <JT-Shop> andypugh: can you fit like a tire ring type thing inside of some new flanges?
[23:42:22] <JT-Shop> if you have a clue what I'm talking about
[23:42:23] <l0st1nsp4c3> kewl
[23:42:34] <andypugh> danimal_garage: I have tried in the past. It tends to crack on the back (you need a second shielding gas supply). I have spot welded it successfully, and that might be an option. (I have a proper old industrial Spot welder)
[23:42:47] <l0st1nsp4c3> tried heekscnc....and not to sure that's for me...cambam seems ok
[23:43:32] <l0st1nsp4c3> but still
[23:43:36] <andypugh> Alibre is a proper 3D associative[parametric mechanical design package.
[23:43:58] <andypugh> Heeks might be, when it is finished and I am very much supportive of the project.
[23:44:25] <l0st1nsp4c3> i can see it has potential but it's very beta if not alpha
[23:44:28] <danimal_garage> it's got a pretty low exhaust note for a 650
[23:44:34] <l0st1nsp4c3> andypugh: alibrecam?
[23:44:43] <andypugh> l0st1nsp4c3: Ah, free trial: http://mkt.alibre.com/testdrive
[23:45:49] <mikeggg> I have BobCAD v23 with the dongle
[23:45:54] <mikeggg> I saw a copy of it on ebay
[23:46:00] <mikeggg> $25....no bids
[23:46:08] <andypugh> The CAD is (I think) $99. CAM is more, but there is a Free CAM add-in: http://www.mecsoft.com/freemill.shtml
[23:46:10] * JT-Shop watches Dan's HNC go through it's paces
[23:46:39] <andypugh> mikegg: Now, who was it who always goes ballistic at the mention of BobCAD?
[23:46:57] <mikeggg> hmm, I dunno
[23:46:59] <mikeggg> me?
[23:47:19] <mikeggg> it's not something I'm likely to splurge on again
[23:47:22] <JT-Shop> BobCRAP?
[23:47:32] <andypugh> Possibly. I recall somebody saying "I have BobCAD" and the reply being "Oh, I am so sorry"
[23:47:43] <mikeggg> yeah that sounds familiar
[23:48:01] <mikeggg> I like the BobCAM plugin for solidworks
[23:48:06] <Tom_itx> i suppose it depends if you want it for hobby or not
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[23:48:19] <mikeggg> it' s cool to be able to do your tool paths in the same program you did your model
[23:48:27] <Tom_itx> yup
[23:48:42] <mikeggg> but there are too many quirks. it NEVER got the start point right
[23:49:16] <mikeggg> and it pick up the endmill and run it right through the part if you weren't careful
[23:49:23] <mikeggg> *would
[23:49:31] <JT-Shop> as an owner of two copies of BobCrap I'd never try it with Solidworks
[23:50:03] <Tom_itx> that's like putting diesel in your bike huh?
[23:50:04] <l0st1nsp4c3> lol if it's crap
[23:50:08] <l0st1nsp4c3> why do you have two copies?
[23:50:15] <mikeggg> the other thing that sucks - I bought V1, so I get all upgrades to V1 for free
[23:50:26] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i'm watching the same thing, but in person
[23:50:26] <mikeggg> they patched it maybe once and now they just released V2
[23:50:46] <JT-Shop> one came with a BP CNC mill I purchased and the second one was my fault "New Not Know and Better"
[23:50:50] <mikeggg> which is a paid upgrade
[23:51:03] <JT-Shop> any
[23:51:24] <JT-Shop> Dan you need a shop cam
[23:51:33] <danimal_garage> why? lol
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[23:51:47] <danimal_garage> i can watch it from my desk
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[23:52:08] <danimal_garage> if i had a shop cam, everyone would see how much beer i drink while making their parts
[23:52:14] <JT-Shop> so we can see if your drinking beer instead of making spacely sprockets
[23:52:28] <danimal_garage> multi tasking
[23:52:35] <l0st1nsp4c3> danimal_garage what do you manufacture?
[23:52:46] <JT-Shop> Cogswell Cogs
[23:52:50] <l0st1nsp4c3> lol
[23:53:04] <l0st1nsp4c3> a jetsons fan i see! JT-Shop =P
[23:53:16] <JT-Shop> YEA!
[23:54:16] * JT-Shop wanders inside to some tacos
[23:54:27] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[23:54:35] <danimal_garage> night John
[23:54:43] <danimal_garage> i make bicycle sprockets
[23:55:16] <l0st1nsp4c3> danimal_garage nice
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[23:56:00] <l0st1nsp4c3> i'm a homemade cnc user so I don't think my puny 1.0hp bosh colt could do that lol
[23:56:31] <danimal_garage> you never know!
[23:56:53] <danimal_garage> you just won't do it fast lol
[23:57:17] <Eartaker> dont think your home machine could do what?
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[23:57:37] <l0st1nsp4c3> well depends what material they are made out of
[23:58:06] <Eartaker> what machine do you have?
[23:58:14] <l0st1nsp4c3> homemade
[23:58:23] <Eartaker> home made or retrofit?
[23:58:36] <l0st1nsp4c3> home made 100% except for the thompson linear pillow blocks
[23:58:48] <Eartaker> nice
[23:58:59] <l0st1nsp4c3> bah tons of stuff i would do different now
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