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[00:07:41] <andypugh> I wonder what a Boxford 240 TCL is worth? A friend has been offered one. Picture:
http://www.cncdoctor.co.uk/images/B240.JPG?649
[00:08:09] <toastyde1th> now that's a weird looking machine
[00:08:21] <toastyde1th> probably a decent amount
[00:08:23] <andypugh> Small slant-bed lathe
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[00:09:05] <toastyde1th> small cnc gear usually goes for a couple grand
[00:09:12] <toastyde1th> esp if it turns on and runs
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[00:10:36] <andypugh> Control PC is a MMC Micro (Z80)
[00:10:43] <andypugh> Sorry, BBC Micro, I mean.
[00:11:04] <Tom_itx> but you can fix that
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[00:11:16] <toastyde1th> doesn't matter
[00:11:40] <toastyde1th> there is always a well off engineer somewhere who wants to toy with a small cnc lathe or mill and has the disposable income to buy toys like that
[00:11:42] <andypugh> Well, yes. I am hoping it is too much trouble for my mate, so that I get to do an EMC2 conversion.
[00:11:53] <toastyde1th> even if they break quickly
[00:12:12] <andypugh> And I am that engineer.
[00:12:31] <toastyde1th> yes but don't you already have a few machines
[00:13:00] <Tom_itx> how is that a problem?
[00:13:12] <andypugh> I have a rather poor lathe, with a rubbish mill on top. I am looking for something better as a lathe (The mill is in hand)
[00:13:23] <toastyde1th> it isn't, but someone who has any kind of machine tool already isn't exactly the stereotype i was talking about
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[00:15:51] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: no that is oem
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[00:18:06] <Tom_itx> huh
[00:24:41] <JT-Shop> I feel like the engineer on the boat in Das Boot "hand me more jumpers" but I got the AC back on
[00:25:11] <JT-Shop> maybe I can finish dinner inside :)
[00:25:37] <moopy> i guess you are thinking of a cobbler not an engineer??
[00:25:43] <Tom_itx> i thought you were about done with the wiring
[00:25:57] <moopy> easy mistake to make though
[00:27:58] <moopy> I am so close to releasing the code tonight, I just have to find out the server login details
[00:34:59] <andypugh> Why do eBay sellers think that "Rare" makes a machine tool more valuable? I want something that was good enough to be popular, with spares available.
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[01:08:29] <Valen> people seem to like collecting rare hand tools
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[02:50:27] <elmo40> I collect tools
[02:50:38] <elmo40> when I make space for them ;)
[02:51:03] <elmo40> all I need now is a 10,000 sq.ft. shop to fit all my tools :D
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[05:34:03] <scanf-> Hi
[05:34:17] <scanf-> i'd like to mill a db25 parallel port breakout board
[05:34:24] <scanf-> tips?
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[05:54:49] <Valen> why?
[06:11:51] <scanf-> because i wanna interface a parport
[06:12:10] <scanf-> and i tried cutting the end off a db25 cable and they are too small to figure out which pin is which with my meter
[06:14:05] <psha[work]> so place db25 port on your board and connect it with standard cable
[06:14:29] <scanf-> exactly
[06:14:31] <scanf-> thats what i wanna do
[06:14:36] <scanf-> but ive never milled a pcb before
[06:15:01] <scanf-> oh are you saying just do it with stripboard?
[06:15:58] <Jymmm> scanf-: You can't do it for cheaper than these.....
[06:16:03] <Jymmm> FEMALE:
http://cgi.ebay.com/DB25-Female-Signals-Breakout-Board-parallel-port-/380343130750?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588e379a7e
[06:16:17] <Jymmm> MALE:
http://cgi.ebay.com/DB25-Male-Signals-Breakout-Board-parallel-port-CNC-/380330035963?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588d6fcafb
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[09:02:47] <ktchk> Hi please point me to international translate team, I want to ask questions
[09:04:54] <psha[work]> i suspect there is no such team
[09:06:34] <ktchk> I translate the pot file would like to send it to someone compile it but who?
[09:08:39] <KimK> ktchk: the pot file?
[09:08:58] <ktchk> the emc2.pot
[09:09:49] <psha[work]> ktchk: emc2.pot or related .po file?
[09:10:07] <psha[work]> emc2.pot is master file, translations are done in lang.po files
[09:10:24] * psha[work] may be wrong...
[09:10:51] <ktchk> .pot is acsii .po is binary
[09:10:52] <psha[work]> emc2.pot is autogenerated from sources
[09:11:05] <psha[work]> .po is ascii too
[09:11:08] <psha[work]> .mo is binary
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[09:11:20] <KimK> Is this for another docs language or to internationalize emc2?
[09:11:33] <ktchk> yes
[09:11:35] <psha[work]> KimK: i18n
[09:11:41] <KimK> Ah, OK.
[09:11:52] <ktchk> no zh-tw only zh-cn
[09:12:04] <psha[work]> so you have zh-tw.po file
[09:12:18] <psha[work]> right?
[09:12:25] <psha[work]> zh_TW.po
[09:12:28] <ktchk> I am doing emc2.pot
[09:12:34] <psha[work]> that's not correct
[09:12:42] <psha[work]> look at src/po/ directory
[09:12:51] <psha[work]> after fresh checkout there is no emc2.pot file
[09:12:55] <psha[work]> it's generated during build
[09:12:59] <psha[work]> from sources
[09:13:05] <ktchk> there is zh-cn
[09:13:06] <psha[work]> but there are many *.po files - ru.po etc
[09:13:10] <psha[work]> yes, and zh_CN.po
[09:13:18] <psha[work]> you need to make another .po file - zh_TW.po
[09:13:42] <ktchk> but zh-cn is 2.2
[09:13:48] <psha[work]> 2.2?
[09:14:09] <ktchk> look into the zh-cn.po heading
[09:14:28] <psha[work]> it's not important
[09:14:43] <psha[work]> it's version when it was first created
[09:14:50] <psha[work]> i bet nobody cares to update that version
[09:15:25] <ktchk> you mean if i copy the zh-cn and change content to make a zh-tw
[09:16:18] <psha[work]> ... you'll be right!
[09:16:29] <psha[work]> i suspect you english is as bad as mine ;)
[09:16:41] <psha[work]> so you'll have nother file in src/po directory
[09:17:06] <psha[work]> then run make and you'll get corresponding emc2.mo file in some location
[09:17:10] <psha[work]> bbl
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[09:17:44] <ktchk> The content of zh-cn is much smaller then emc2.pot
[09:18:37] <KimK> You can submit your new file here if you like, or to the mailing list, if you like.
[09:18:49] <KimK> when it's finished
[09:18:59] <ktchk> which mailing list
[09:19:54] <KimK> emc-devel, probably would be best. We also have an emc-users mailing list.
[09:20:19] <KimK> I can get you the signup link, hold on...
[09:20:30] <ktchk> Thanks
[09:23:18] <KimK> Here's the emc-users list:
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Here's the emc-developers list:
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
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[12:18:25] <sagC> Hi, I'd like to prepare a new PC for use with EMC. I have an 5I20 Anything I/O PCI Card connected... Now I can start EMC and select 5i20 there... I think I need to upload a special Hostmot2-Firmware to my 5i20 card. Do you have any hint? I'm absolutely new to this.
[12:19:28] <Tom_itx> which fpga does it have?
[12:19:45] <Tom_itx> either load 'big' or 'small'
[12:20:20] <Tom_itx> the 5i20 should be in the list of boards
[12:21:01] <sagC> The card is called 5I20 FPGA based PCI Anything I/O card
[12:21:31] <sagC> big/small is only for 5i22, not for 5i20
[12:21:42] <Tom_itx> ok
[12:21:58] <Tom_itx> i have the 7i43 and had a 'big' 'small' option
[12:23:13] <Tom_itx> looks like yours is the 200k gate fpga
[12:23:31] <sagC> but in order to run anything, it requests me to do a "reference run" or Referenzfahrt.... But that gives always an error message in the bottom right corner: "joint 0 following error"
[12:23:42] <sagC> yeah i've heard about that 200k gate thing regarding that card
[12:24:41] <sagC> i'm not sure about the Hostmot2 thing.... whether I need to install the firmware on that card first, and if so, how.
[12:24:54] <Tom_itx> load it in the ini file
[12:25:02] <Tom_itx> it will take care of it i think
[12:25:33] <Tom_itx> 5i20.ini
[12:25:56] <Tom_itx> stepper or servo?
[12:26:19] <Tom_itx> i think that's stepper
[12:26:35] <Tom_itx> also the hm2-stepper.hal has setup stuff in it
[12:27:10] <sagC> i don't know yet ... it's more virtual. there is nothing really connected to the 5i20 on the 72 I/O Pins yet
[12:27:42] <Tom_itx> it has a default config
[12:27:48] <Tom_itx> it will map some pins for you
[12:28:19] <sagC> but I already had some kind of program loaded onto the 5i20 that made the integrated green LEDs act as a binary counter ..
[12:28:36] <Tom_itx> after you load the board, do dmesg to find the map
[12:29:04] <sagC> [11427.870711] hm2/hm2_5i20.0: IO Pin 050 (P4-05): IOPort
[12:29:11] <sagC> there are many messages like this, you mean these?
[12:29:38] <Tom_itx> yep
[12:30:09] <Tom_itx> 050 is the actual io, P4 is the header 05 is the pin
[12:30:20] * Tom_itx thinks
[12:30:42] <sagC> some of them mention PWMGen... that would be interesting. I could connect the corresponding ports and see what's going on with an oscilloscope
[12:30:43] <Tom_itx> print the pdf for the 5i20
[12:31:04] <sagC> the datasheet?
[12:31:09] <Tom_itx> yep
[12:31:11] <Tom_itx> gotta go
[12:32:19] <sagC> I see .... any hint how I could now generate a specified PWM signal on one of these Pins?
[12:32:24] <sagC> thank you Tom_itx
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[12:44:23] <sagC> anyone knows how to apply a specified PWM output to an IO pin of 5i20?
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[12:47:55] <archivist_emc> sagC,
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/config_ini_config.html
[12:50:35] <archivist_emc> and you need to read the integrators manual
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/EMC2_Integrator_Manual.pdf
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[13:04:49] <sagC> hm, why does it say "Operation not permitted" when using HAL-command "loadrt pwmgen" ? there is no reason
[13:14:59] <cradek> sagC: it's better to use hostmot2's pwm generators, but you can't get it on an arbitrary pin.
[13:15:39] <cradek> if you use software pwmgen to a gpio, your resolution is the servo cycle (1ms) instead of hostmot2's fast clock
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[13:17:29] <ktchk> Hi anybody know what is "popin full"
[13:17:59] <jdhNC> context?
[13:18:20] <ktchk> no in the .po file
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[13:30:22] <ktchk> jdhNC: it is popup window
[13:30:29] <ktchk> thanks
[13:30:33] <ktchk> bye
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[13:53:37] <cncbasher> can i get an analog output from a 7i43 to feed a vfd ?
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[14:10:40] <alSMT> I installed draft sight autocad clone and it has stolen my .ngc file extension ,where does emc2 keep its icon for this file extension?
[14:10:46] <skunkworks> with a daughter board like the 7i33
[14:11:15] <skunkworks> or mabye use pwm out + low pass filter circuit
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[14:11:58] <cncbasher> thanks , yes i was thinking along that route
[14:12:31] <skunkworks> if you don't need +/-10v just +10v
[14:14:59] <cncbasher> yes just +10v is needed
[14:16:36] <cncbasher> a friend has a analog drive speed controller , so looking at simple way to get him up and running
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[14:17:27] <cncbasher> just wondering if it has a pwm input somewhere
[14:17:59] <cncbasher> he's not electronics inclined , so i have my work cut out
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[15:13:49] <ssi> cncbasher: I ended up getting a cnc4pc pwm to analog board, with relays on it for the fwd/rev signals
[15:28:47] <skunkworks> That's cheating! ;O
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[15:34:09] <sagC> What is the meaning of this error message while doing a reference run: "[ 5907.118150] 14438: ERROR: joint 0 following error" ?
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[15:38:37] <skunkworks> what kind of system do you have? are you using step/dir or analog servos?
[15:39:48] <sagC> i have an 5i20 with servo. It's the provided default config
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[15:44:42] <skunkworks> Then you have probably not tuned the servos well enough yet - or your scaling is not correct (servo is commanded the oposite direction that the encoder is seeing)
[15:45:29] <sagC> starting emc in verbose mode gives this hint: emc/task/taskintf.cc 611: Error on axis 0, command number 145
[15:46:50] <sagC> the Servo isn't connected yet to the board. doesn't it work then? I'd like to see the simulation
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[16:22:48] <DustyDingo> hm, does anyone got a hint for me, what i should use for lifting a payload of about 1kg ~20cm on a vertical axis and ~30cm on a horizontal axis?
[16:23:02] <DustyDingo> it seems like most x-y tables can't be used vertically
[16:23:55] <DustyDingo> speed doesn't matter and accuracy could be even about 1mm
[16:24:43] <DustyDingo> something of the shelf, without combining any parts myself would be ideal
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[16:40:46] <skunkworks> sagc: unless you connect things differently... you cannot simulate a real servo machine without the servos hooked up. There are a lot of sims configs though
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[16:44:10] <jdhNC> linear rails mounted on an angle, single servo drive
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[17:16:29] <tom3p> ktchk psha[work] CN and TW are not same. the characters are way different. TW (and HK) use old school complex BIG5 chars, and CN uses new Mao simplified (GB Guo Biao) characters, about 20 or 30 thousand of the glyphs are different.
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[17:52:37] <Jymmm> Are these vacuum floresents?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2661/4191127272_8c2aef9742_o.jpg
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[18:08:30] <cradek> Jymmm: my guess is yes
[18:09:20] <Jymmm> ty
[18:10:22] <jdhNC> something for scale would help.
[18:10:40] <cradek> that's a very typical vfd color
[18:12:27] <Jymmm> jdhNC: Didn't she tell you, size doesn't matter.
[18:12:44] <skunkworks> she was just being nice.
[18:12:54] <Jymmm> =)
[18:12:59] <jdhNC> yeah, she said that too :(
[18:13:08] <Jymmm> http://www.noritake-elec.com/networkDisplay.html
[18:13:10] <skunkworks> heh
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[19:19:11] <tom3p> the freaking fest is on right now, no need to keep trying to give scales or aid in that. damnit
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[19:27:39] <cradek> cnc workshop is going on now?
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[20:26:15] <dave_1> I seem to be having troubles with the new format tool table. I add tools to the table and they display but are not recognized by a M6Tn
[20:26:38] <dave_1> What am I missing?
[20:27:37] <dave_1> or by Dn which is more important since I'm on sim at this point
[20:32:09] <JT-Shop> are you saving the new entries?
[20:32:41] <dave_1> yep... save and then dismiss
[20:33:36] <JT-Shop> what version?
[20:33:52] <JT-Shop> did you reload the tool table?
[20:34:05] <dave_1> 2.4.6 ... I think that is correct version
[20:34:53] <dave_1> OK ... so save just saves it in the file and reload updates the actual system?
[20:36:15] <JT-Shop> yep
[20:36:15] <mrsunshine> dave_1, when i have changed the tool table i press save, close the window, then from file menu take reload tooltable
[20:36:44] <dave_1> guess I'll get out of here and go try that.
[20:37:19] <dave_1> my irc is on the mac and my real desktop is of course a pc. be bake in a while
[20:37:28] <dave_1> thanks to both of you. :-)
[20:37:37] <dave_1> exit
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[20:37:52] <mrsunshine> oo i wonder what cookies he will make
[20:38:08] <mrsunshine> or maybe cheese cake
[20:38:09] <mrsunshine> mmmm
[20:38:15] <mrsunshine> chease?
[20:38:32] <mrsunshine> no cheese =)
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[20:50:25] <mrsunshine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enq_b61eVNY&feature=related oo hot stuff :P
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[20:51:48] <dave_1> I'm back
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[20:52:49] <dave_1> partial success ... edit file ... save .... reload ... except the reload isn't reliable ... seems to reload better from the File menu reload option
[20:52:57] <dave_1> in TK
[20:53:21] <JT-Shop> the file menu is the only place you can reload the tool table
[20:53:21] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: ping
[20:53:42] <dave_1> then what does the reload in the editor do?
[20:53:44] <mrsunshine> i guess the reload in the edit window is if you edit it from the outside?
[20:54:03] <JT-Shop> reload the g code file
[20:54:26] <dave_1> Hmmmm. and isn't the tool offset supposed to show along with the tool number?
[20:54:37] <dave_1> in TkEmc that is.
[20:54:58] <JT-Shop> if you issue a G43 it will I assume in tkemc too
[20:55:24] <dave_1> Oh, that is a length offset not dia?
[20:55:37] <JT-Shop> what?
[20:56:06] <dave_1> G43 is tool length not dia AFIK
[20:56:15] <ssi> correct
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[20:56:25] <JT-Shop> g43 loads the current tool offsets all of them
[20:56:26] <ssi> G41/42 I think is radius comp
[20:56:54] <dave_1> yes it is .... so what is supposed to display in tool offset in TK
[20:57:38] <JT-Shop> to you use the diameter offset you use cutter comp
[20:57:50] <JT-Shop> I don't know anything about tkemc it is so old
[20:58:11] <dave_1> indeed ... I've been using it for 10 years
[20:59:03] <dave_1> guess I go back and play .... thanks
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[21:30:42] <Jymmm> I have the RAW honeycomb (no frame) as shown in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MAd0WLRuUg&feature=related but I need to be able to create the frame so the HC fits it tightly (epoxied or mechanical fastener) any ideas?
[21:31:14] <Jymmm> I'd prefer mechincal as the HC is diposable
[21:31:51] <Jymmm> bbiab
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[22:12:28] <andypugh> Jymmm: Maybe a wooden frame with through-tenons, held together by wedges?
[22:12:46] <JT-Shop> andypugh: he doesn't have much for tools
[22:13:15] <andypugh> Jymmm: Buy some tools then make a woodedn frame....
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[22:13:48] <andypugh> How about 20x20 profile?
[22:13:50] <Jymmm> I guess I couls use aluminum U channel, but I'm not sure how to fasten the corners as they are used for alignment
[22:14:04] <Jymmm> so HAVE to be square
[22:14:34] <JT-Shop> in a craftsman like manner
[22:14:40] <andypugh> 20x20 with accurately trued ends. (lathe works well, or milling machine.) You can buy it pre-machined.
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[22:15:19] <Jymmm> andypugh: the HC has to tuck into the channel to tension it
[22:15:33] <Jymmm> then be epoxied or mechanically fastened
[22:15:38] <andypugh> If you overlap each corner clockwise (if that makes any sense) then it will hold any sise of rectangle tightly
[22:16:06] <andypugh> Can it just be clamped on all 4 sides? Or does it crush?
[22:16:50] <Jymmm> Ok, when the HC is under tension on all four edges, it will NOT bow in the middle.
[22:17:08] <Jymmm> That's what I need the most out of this.
[22:18:06] <Jymmm> I KNOW there has to be a simple way of doing this somehow
[22:18:38] <Tom_itx> you still workin on that??
[22:18:48] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: sadly, yes.
[22:19:04] <Tom_itx> i saw some honeycomb at the surplus the other day
[22:19:15] <andypugh> This is the stuff I mean: the outer frame here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bodgesoc/Gibbs#5586611443242826466
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[22:20:01] <Jymmm> andypugh: I understand, but the HC is 1/2" thick
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[22:20:58] <andypugh> You can't just squeeze it up in compression?
[22:20:59] <andypugh> No idea how rigid it is
[22:21:36] <Jymmm> andypugh: That would defeat the purpose of the HC =)
[22:22:42] <andypugh> 20x20 with a flange bolted on the bottom then :-)
[22:23:18] <Jymmm> What is it with you and 80/20 today LOL
[22:23:49] <Jymmm> http://www.adorama.com/images/large/CMHCG60XS.JPG
[22:23:50] <andypugh> I like the stuff.
[22:23:56] <Jymmm> something sorta like that
[22:24:10] <Jymmm> I do too, but right material for the job
[22:25:06] <Jymmm> This is waht raw HC edge looks like...
http://www.1st-product.com/uploads/20/8241/aluminum-honeycomb-core-712.jpg
[22:25:07] <andypugh> Angle seems right, but then you have to use skill and craftsmanship to get ti square.
[22:25:23] <Jymmm> andypugh: And I dont want that
[22:25:39] <andypugh> Quite. That's what we have machibes for
[22:25:43] <andypugh> machines, even
[22:34:32] <Jymmm> YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS.... I just found 30pin SIMMS for sale with a LIFETIME warranty! WOOHOO
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[22:53:52] <kbarry> where do i put a config file?
[22:54:05] <kbarry> looking at a project, and there is an emc config file provided
[22:54:11] <kbarry> What do i do with it?
[22:54:18] <kbarry> In mach, you just place it in the root directory,
[22:54:25] <kbarry> But i have little to no emc experience
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[23:07:00] <andypugh> kbarry: In the EMC folder in your home directory
[23:07:13] <kbarry> thanks
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[23:08:33] <andypugh> Then when you start emc2, it should find the config
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[23:10:34] <andypugh> Night all.
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