#emc | Logs for 2011-06-07

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[00:06:21] <tom3p> wait whos playing god handing out karma?
[00:07:59] <JT-Shop> anyone can it seems
[00:10:56] <tom3p> my karma ran over my dogma
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[00:25:55] <tom3p> woohoo I got an AsciiSTL object in the vismach. 1st it was hidden inside the frame, then it was outside field of vision... finally got it by the ears!
[00:26:18] <tom3p> you give it a file spec (path & fname )
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[00:32:17] <L33TG33KG34R> gah!, it happened again. I re did the spline, deleted the path mate and yet as soon as I press the save button the (-) goes away.
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[00:42:01] <l0st1nsp4c3> anybody got a good feed rate/spindle rpm/material calculator?
[00:42:12] <elmo40> didn't you ask that earlier?
[00:43:26] <elmo40> what kind of tooling?
[00:43:37] <elmo40> usually the supplier will give you suggestions.
[00:43:41] <elmo40> then push it from there
[00:43:49] <elmo40> when they break, let off a little ;)
[00:44:03] <elmo40> L33TG33KG34R: did you mate the slot with the pin yet?
[00:44:04] <elmo40> ;)
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[00:55:45] <L33TG33KG34R> elmo40, yeah, but it stopped moving
[00:56:03] <L33TG33KG34R> I mean that "(-)" went away as soon as I save on one of the slots
[00:59:45] <L33TG33KG34R> could it be because I am using a copy of a slot?
[00:59:56] <elmo40> it is all in the Mate
[01:00:05] <elmo40> depends on how you mate the part.
[01:00:10] <elmo40> which version are you using?
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[01:02:47] <elmo40> is the slot wider then the pin? same size?
[01:04:51] <elmo40> you want the pin from the arm in the slot? and the pin on the bracket in the slot of the arm?
[01:05:20] <L33TG33KG34R> yes
[01:05:25] <L33TG33KG34R> version, 2011
[01:05:33] <L33TG33KG34R> slot is the same width as the pin
[01:06:11] <L33TG33KG34R> its when I move the slot back to its retracted state and save, I can no longer move it and the (-) sign disappears
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[01:07:31] <tom3p> the AsciiStl Object in Vismach, the dark purply kidney shape on the trunnion http://imagebin.org/157079 http://pastebin.com/u6T2caMM
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[01:10:09] <elmo40> L33TG33KG34R: you want the pin to slide in the slot
[01:10:23] <elmo40> if they are the same dimension does it not 'lock' them together?
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[01:10:50] <elmo40> L33TG33KG34R: care to send me the file so I can tinker with it?
[01:11:11] <L33TG33KG34R> not yet. I want to figure it out first
[01:11:22] <L33TG33KG34R> and plus its not finished yet
[01:18:32] <elmo40> make it Float
[01:27:24] <L33TG33KG34R> how?
[01:27:33] <L33TG33KG34R> what do you mean by "Float"?
[01:27:33] <elmo40> ok, give this a try.
[01:27:39] <elmo40> care to accept a dcc?
[01:28:46] <L33TG33KG34R> yes...
[01:29:00] <elmo40> did you get the file?
[01:29:16] <L33TG33KG34R> I am missing all the parts. :/
[01:31:44] <elmo40> lol... forgot the parts. let me make a zip file
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[01:33:56] <elmo40> that should be all the parts
[01:35:49] <elmo40> any of that help?
[01:35:55] <elmo40> give you some ideas?
[01:39:21] <L33TG33KG34R> please resend
[01:39:23] <elmo40> I don't know if SW can slide parts on slots that have more then one direction. i.e. not a straight line.
[01:39:24] <L33TG33KG34R> sorry
[01:40:06] <L33TG33KG34R> it can if the slot is a "path"
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[04:04:27] <L33TG33KG34R> sorry about that elmo40
[04:05:04] <L33TG33KG34R> I had a group member drop by to discuss a project
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[05:09:12] <L33TG33KG34R> I think I figured out the problem
[05:16:37] <L33TG33KG34R> ...nvm
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[11:43:26] <jthornton> if you copy the 2.4.6 deb to your computer and run the package manager on it it says "This will break EMC2" is that normal?
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[12:27:22] <L33TG33KG34R> gmorning
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[12:57:43] <Loetmichel> jthornton: perfectly normal 'c ause EMC needs the realtime-extenmsions in the kernel to be present.
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[13:14:22] <JT-Shop> if you have 2.4.3 all ready installed they would be there right?
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[13:18:12] <L33TG33KG34R> JT-Shop, so what does it mean when a component is "fully defined"?
[13:21:20] <Loetmichel> anyone here with knowledge in electronic cmponents? Capacitor or Varistor? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12043
[13:21:29] <Loetmichel> and: datasheet aviable?
[13:22:03] * Loetmichel doesent find anything useful with the markings on the2 orange discs
[13:22:23] <awallin_> I would guess varistors for overvoltage protection?
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[13:24:36] <skunkworks_> awallin_: any progress on the rep-rap?
[13:26:02] * Loetmichel s company had build the filter boxes a long time ago... Loetmichel is asked to build some of these boxes... and cant find ANY information/documentation...
[13:26:11] <Loetmichel> so much for Iso 9001
[13:26:13] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[13:26:43] <awallin_> skunkworks_: not really. would need to track down problem with lost steps, or switch to servos. then would need to find or write software for proper reprap g-code generation. skeinforge isn't exactly ideal or easy to grok
[13:26:46] <JT-Shop> "fully defined" means it can't be moved in any direction
[13:30:05] <pcw_home> Loetmichel: .01 uF 2500V capacitors
[13:31:12] <skunkworks_> awallin_: ah. did you see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKjKfyxD79E
[13:31:19] <skunkworks_> I like the descrption.
[13:31:24] <pcw_home> sorry 250 VAC
[13:32:38] <awallin_> skunkworks_: is that pyvcp on the right of AXIS, or the newer gladevcp?
[13:32:45] <awallin_> nice speed on the reprap in that video
[13:32:49] <L33TG33KG34R> The bottom one moves but the top one doesn't. the parts have been created eually or atleast thats what I see
[13:33:11] <L33TG33KG34R> if you wouldn't mind taking a look?
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[13:34:39] <Loetmichel> pcw_home: based on what?
[13:35:17] <pcw_home> .01M 250VAC
[13:36:24] <Loetmichel> pcw_home: AHHHHHH
[13:36:26] <Loetmichel> thx!
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[13:37:27] <pcw_home> Also they are connected from hot to ground, this would be a bad thing for a varistor
[13:39:21] <Loetmichel> not if the varistor is >325V ;-)
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[14:17:33] <JT-Shop> L33TG33KG34R: I really don't have time to look at it...
[14:17:47] <L33TG33KG34R> no problem. thanks anyways
[14:18:13] <JT-Shop> you would get an answer for sure on the Solidworks Support forum
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[14:19:03] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,9/id,10332/limit,6/limitstart,6/lang,english/#10352
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[14:29:29] <cradek> JT-Shop: I don't recognize that. I truly doubt that's the full error message, and I bet the devil is in the details.
[14:29:55] <cradek> there might be extra dependencies it needs to install. He really REALLY should hook to the net and run the full updates.
[14:30:05] <jthornton> thanks, I'm trying to reproduce that here just to see
[14:30:23] <jthornton> he doesn't have a net connection anywhere near the machine
[14:30:57] <cradek> in that case it's often easier to move the machine than not, if you need the updates
[14:31:12] <jthornton> ok, thanks
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[14:33:57] <cradek> jthornton: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=461218
[14:34:29] <cradek> google gives all sorts of hits about apt over sneakernet
[14:35:20] <JT-Shop> sneakernet is interesting
[14:35:24] <JT-Shop> thanks for the link
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[15:36:23] <jdhNC> Connor?
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[15:42:24] <jdhNC> I just missed an Atlas 618 for $40
[15:44:15] <willburrrr2003> that would havebeen nice to get :)
[15:46:20] <jdhNC> he said he would call me back if the other guy doesn't want it.
[15:46:47] <willburrrr2003> cool, at least there is still a chance :D , what kind of condition is it in?
[15:46:59] <jdhNC> http://wilmington.craigslist.org/tls/2425914254.html
[15:47:24] <jdhNC> not so hot looking but for $40, who cares.
[15:47:42] <willburrrr2003> nice, I would give $40 for that any day
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[16:06:47] <Connor> jdhNC: What's up?
[16:07:00] <Connor> Sorry, talking with a Roof Guy.. Hail Damage from storm a few weeks back..
[16:12:09] <jdhNC> We are writing to inform you that your G0704 Drill/Mill has passed our quality control inspections and is currently on the sea.
[16:12:23] <skunkworks_> JT-Shop: do you have your hardinge ladder up anywhere? for the turret?
[16:13:15] <JT-Shop> yes
[16:13:30] <Connor> jdhNC: About freaking time. When do you re-order? After Mine ?
[16:13:33] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge.xhtml
[16:13:41] <jdhNC> they are saying Delivered by July 5.
[16:14:13] <Connor> Charge your CC / PayPal yet ?
[16:14:31] <Connor> or do they wait a bit longer till after it's in the warehouse ?
[16:17:43] <jdhNC> I think they wait until it is ready to ship... I ordered Dec. 12.
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[16:18:22] <Connor> Oh. I'm starting to think they have multiple shipments or something.. I dunno.. I saw someone else got theirs past week or so..
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[16:21:10] <skunkworks_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/hardinge_lathes/129658-chnc_turret_plc_conversion_log.html
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[16:24:13] <cradek> skunkworks_: that turret is SO simple to run
[16:24:53] <skunkworks_> sad - isn't it?
[16:25:42] <cradek> those lathes have such amazing resolution - sucks to see people ruin them with stepper motors
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[16:30:12] <jdhNC> I think most of it depends on which warehouse they go to, east, central, west
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[16:52:54] <IchGuckLive> Hi all around the World
[17:03:07] <Connor> jdhNC: Just got my notification that mine passed it's inspection and is on the sea.
[17:03:29] <Connor> They say it will reach the PA facility approximately 6/24/11
[17:04:43] <jdhNC> and ship?
[17:04:46] <jdhNC> we estimate delivery to our PA facility approximately 07/01/2011.
[17:05:00] <Connor> Dear Mr. Huddleston,   We are writing to inform you that your G0704 Drill/Mill has passed our quality control inspections and is currently on the sea.  Without delays due to US Customs processing time, we estimate delivery to our PA facility approximately 06/24/2011.  Once received, your order will be processed promptly and shipped to arrive in approximately 3-5 business days.  
[17:06:05] <jdhNC> guess they have two ships?
[17:06:11] <jdhNC> or they just make up random shit?
[17:06:12] <IchGuckLive> i finished today the 4th master Master mahine ,and im glatt to keep ale costs below 250Euros
[17:06:19] <Connor> Possibly. Who sent yours ?
[17:06:31] <Connor> Mine was sent by Catherine Grizzly Industrial Inc. EN#600165
[17:06:31] <jdhNC> Catherine
[17:07:03] <archivist_emc> ships! just space in a container more like
[17:07:23] <IchGuckLive> i will try to load some pictres
[17:07:25] <jdhNC> containers on different ships
[17:07:35] <archivist_emc> far more likely
[17:08:04] <Connor> Who knows. They have 80 of them inbound and last check they said 46 spoken for.
[17:08:48] <Connor> jdhNC: We'll program end up getting ours about the same time.. within a week or so of each other.. your in NC and I'm in TN.. so.. that makes sense.
[17:09:08] <jdhNC> wonder what port they use, the ship will pass within 30 miles of here
[17:09:22] <Connor> Miami probably.
[17:09:34] <jdhNC> long drive
[17:09:48] <tom3p> IcGuckLive, are you setting up several machines for a class? what is the subject taught & what is the level?
[17:09:53] <jdhNC> here would be better than miami
[17:10:04] <tom3p> IchGuckLive, ^^^
[17:10:35] <Connor> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ports_in_the_United_States
[17:10:42] <jdhNC> mine will probably sit in a box until Fall
[17:11:03] <Connor> Now that's just... um.. sad.
[17:12:00] <Connor> and it's probably freight train vs truck.
[17:15:53] <IchGuckLive> tom3p: http://www.sammellothar.de/cnc_3.JPG http://www.sammellothar.de/cnc_4.JPG
[17:16:51] <jdhNC> pretty compact
[17:16:58] <jdhNC> don't they get wet out there when it rains?
[17:17:39] <IchGuckLive> ALU jdhNC
[17:17:52] <IchGuckLive> waterproofed elektronic from HK
[17:18:13] <IchGuckLive> they only work with HK cable no german works
[17:20:37] <IchGuckLive> http://www.sammellothar.de/cnc_5.JPG
[17:20:45] <IchGuckLive> http://www.sammellothar.de/cnc_6.JPG
[17:21:23] <IchGuckLive> the steppers are 11.9Euro
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[17:21:49] <IchGuckLive> Astrosyn 23LM-C355-44W this is in the Epson Aculaser
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[17:22:39] <IchGuckLive> with the TB6560FG at 50 percent thats 1.25A its perfect
[17:24:11] <IchGuckLive> if the next HK delivery arives i will test it with the HQ at 1.75 A
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[17:35:11] <tom3p> IchGuckLive, this is what i bought http://www.cnc-sable.nl/sable-2015-p-21.html?language=de but direct from builder in Taipei while i worked there
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[17:35:58] <L33TG33KG34R> If I am designing a slot/pin part and the pin measures 1/8", how much wider than 1/8" does the slot have to be?
[17:36:14] <IchGuckLive> tom is this USD
[17:36:56] <IchGuckLive> L33TG33KG34R: the same if it shoudt fit
[17:37:18] <IchGuckLive> 6.35 to 6.40
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[17:40:22] <L33TG33KG34R> wow that CNC looks good.
[17:40:42] <L33TG33KG34R> and ~$1000 not bad. is that with the electronics, spindle and stuff?
[17:40:47] <IchGuckLive> tom3p: this is real pricy
[17:41:35] <tom3p> http://cgi.ebay.com/Sable-2015-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-mill-PCBs-engraving-/190534858636 500$usd but yours looks sturdy
[17:42:24] <tom3p> i was pleased with the sable, but need better spindle ( collet runout ) .
[17:43:14] <IchGuckLive> i got all includet the spindle the drivers the powersupply and also the notebook
[17:43:15] <tom3p> its black anodzed aluminum, rolled ball screw, steppers with controller and similar switching p/s
[17:43:29] <tom3p> and a notebook! cool
[17:43:39] <IchGuckLive> no it says no motor no driver
[17:43:57] <IchGuckLive> i got 25 notebooks from Mercedes
[17:44:07] <IchGuckLive> eatch 35 Euros
[17:44:27] <tom3p> correct, i paid more, bought motors amplifier power supply, and used my own desktop pc
[17:44:28] <IchGuckLive> ARMADA 500
[17:45:13] <IchGuckLive> if you go with the Drawing awailable in the net to the local Steel dealer it woudt cost you 150Euros
[17:45:48] <IchGuckLive> ok germanxy is a Higly different country to the USA
[17:46:04] <IchGuckLive> here you can get all parts easy from 1 Store
[17:46:23] <IchGuckLive> in the USA its a Different thing
[17:46:55] <IchGuckLive> http://maedler.de/Default.aspx
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[17:48:25] <IchGuckLive> timing belt ,spindle+ nuts ,Clamp collar and so on
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[17:49:35] <IchGuckLive> tom3p: http://maedler.de/Product/1643/1620/2028/2031/2048.aspx
[17:50:39] <IchGuckLive> tom3p: go with the mouse over the € to see the price
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[17:54:29] <tom3p> IchGuckLive, thanks, do you have url for Drawing?
[17:54:31] <IchGuckLive> tom3p: this is the 3D drawing animation of the mashine http://www.sammellothar.de/X_RAHMEN.mpg
[17:58:47] <IchGuckLive> tom3p: witch dataformat woudt you like to haveit
[18:00:07] <tom3p> dxf rev13 or 14 or 2000 if you can?
[18:00:22] <IchGuckLive> ok tomorrow
[18:02:44] <IchGuckLive> by for today
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[18:28:27] <L33TG33KG34R> Hurray!!! my EDFs and motors from hobbyKing package just arrived!!!
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[18:32:05] <JT-Shop> YEA!, what's that?
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[18:54:20] <Connor> I have a hell of a time dialing in my settings for milling PCB's. V-bits suck.. way to picky on the depth of cut..
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[19:00:58] <skunkworks_> Connor: do you flatten your tsble?
[19:01:05] <skunkworks_> table?
[19:01:31] <Connor> I would take some MDF slightly bigger than the PCB, and Surface a pocket in it for the PCB to go in.
[19:01:44] <Connor> and then use clips to hold it in place.
[19:02:12] <skunkworks_> try double sided carpet tape. (or vaccum)
[19:02:42] <skunkworks_> Mine have been done using a vaccum table and they work pretty good.
[19:03:20] <Connor> I really wish I had made the machine separate from the enclosure.. the enclosure is so heavy that it deforms to the shape of the table it's setting on... and thus, that translates through to the spoilboard that's screwed down..
[19:04:31] <Connor> Biggest issue is trying to figure out how many passes to make it take and tunning the pcb-to-gcode program.
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[19:07:16] <mhaberler> cradek: have a minute as BS detector for my whacky ideas re toolchange?
[19:11:56] <skunkworks__> Connor: http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/top.JPG
[19:12:27] <Connor> nice.
[19:12:41] <Connor> I may be trying to do too much with my machine..
[19:13:20] <skunkworks__> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/schem/latestcurrentlimit/right.JPG
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[19:14:08] <Connor> That's a big a$$ cap
[19:15:10] <tom3p> my .var file looks suspect "5213 51130.004680" thats crazy big, should i delete the .var file or edit it?
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[19:19:51] <jthornton> tom3p: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode_overview.html#sub:Numbered-Parameters
[19:21:54] <tom3p> jthornton, thx, this var is the G54 Z value, its saying my Z axis has 51 meters of stroke, and i backed up the var file, edited the value buts its sticky, still 51 meter
[19:22:33] <jdhNC> that's a lotta z
[19:22:58] <jthornton> clear your offsets from the menu
[19:23:39] <cradek> if you edit the var file while emc is running, you will not get the results you expect
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[19:24:00] <cradek> it's much better not to edit it at all
[19:24:15] <cradek> sounds like you want G10 L2 P1 Z0
[19:24:28] <cradek> yeah - or the menu like jthornton says
[19:26:09] <mhaberler> cradek: would you spare a few minutes for me to think a situation through?
[19:26:32] <cradek> sure I will try
[19:26:55] <mhaberler> ok, I will tell the story and the hypothesis, and you detect the BS ;-)
[19:27:17] <tom3p> "clear your offsets from the menu"? where might the menu item be? using Axis
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[19:27:37] <jthornton> Machine
[19:27:43] <mhaberler> assume all toolchange related operations are done in an oword sub, including HAL pin wiglling, preliminary moves etc.
[19:27:44] <jthornton> Zero Coordinate System
[19:28:09] <jthornton_> Free Shipping! http://www.cutleryandmore.com/john-boos/stainless-steel-granite-outdoor-culinarte-kitchen-cart-p121036?src=bbq
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[19:28:27] <mhaberler> The very last step after the procedure ends is basically a 'commit' - change prepped pocket, change tool, offset etc etc
[19:28:59] <mhaberler> that means that fhere are NO execution-time HAL pin widgglings left to do.
[19:29:37] <mhaberler> iocontrol and the task io interface basically implodes to manipulating the tool table
[19:29:40] <tom3p> jthornton, thx
[19:30:12] <mhaberler> the only iocontrol-related HAL pins which need to be handled are mist, lube, estop etc but nothing tool- or process-related
[19:30:32] <syyl> finaly did some 3d milling :D
[19:30:34] <syyl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Y_GWZ9WXI
[19:30:49] <syyl> the milling strategy is not the best...
[19:31:03] <mhaberler> hypothesis: I can replace iotaskintf.cc with stubs doing tt handling. I need mist/lub etc but the micges iotask_remove already handles that.
[19:31:08] <mhaberler> correct?
[19:31:12] <mhaberler> or flawed?
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[19:33:13] <mhaberler> cradek: btw I already did it and it seems to work without surprises..
[19:33:46] <cradek> sorry, busier than I expected; I will read back soon
[19:33:53] <mhaberler> sure.
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[19:34:28] <Guest85744> re
[19:34:51] <Guest85744> i need a little help :D
[19:35:15] <Guest85744> i have a new mainboard
[19:35:21] <Guest85744> atom D525
[19:35:25] <Guest85744> dual core
[19:35:26] <alex_joni> http://www.reghardware.com/2011/06/07/3d_printer_prints_bikini/
[19:35:51] <Guest85744> i installed the 10.04 emc2 live cd
[19:35:55] <Guest85744> and now?
[19:36:02] <Guest85744> :D
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[19:36:14] <archivist_emc> do the latency test
[19:36:44] <slime2k> i have read that at the system monitor the second cpu should show 0%
[19:37:06] <slime2k> i have added "isolcpus=1" to grub
[19:38:08] <slime2k> ok, sorry
[19:38:12] <slime2k> its working
[19:38:15] <slime2k> :D
[19:39:35] <JT-Shop> I thought you only used isolcpus with 4 cores???
[19:40:00] <JT-Shop> D510MO here and <10000 latency out of the box
[19:40:27] <slime2k> servo thread 8500
[19:40:30] <slime2k> base thread 16500
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[19:41:20] <slime2k> max jitter values
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[19:41:34] <slime2k> is this ok?
[19:41:51] <yk2> hey does anyone here have an industrial robot or have experience with one? I need your help.
[19:42:37] <yk2> cradek- if I remember right you were mentioned to be one.
[19:45:12] <alex_joni> JT-Shop: no, you can use isolcpus with more than one core/cpu
[19:50:06] <slime2k> is there a special smp rtai version?
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[19:56:18] <JT-Shop> alex_joni: what I meant to say is that is it needed with a dual core?
[19:56:29] <slime2k> hmm, at the latency test results page the atom 330 cpus have a base jitter under 10000
[19:56:39] <slime2k> why is mine 16000+
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[19:58:40] <skunkworks__> cradek: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/camsoft_products/21266-hardinge_chnc_turret_woes.html
[20:00:33] <skunkworks__> logger[mah]:
[20:00:33] <logger[mah]> skunkworks__: Log stored at http://emc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23emc/2011-06-07.html
[20:01:39] <cradek> the stop should engage while it's up and rotating
[20:01:45] <cradek> that's the whole idea of how it works
[20:02:03] <skunkworks__> heh - I figured you would get a kick out of it.
[20:03:26] <JT-Shop> he doesn't have his magnet set right :)
[20:03:41] <cradek> mhaberler: I think I agree with your analysis
[20:04:12] <mhaberler> thanks for thinking it through.. I am quite relieved because that simplifies things considerably
[20:04:16] <cradek> wish yk2 would have asked his real question
[20:04:25] <cradek> this might have been the answer
[20:04:55] <mhaberler> you arent talking to me, right?
[20:05:07] <cradek> yk2, asking about a robot
[20:06:07] <cradek> mhaberler: the main task (not iotask) will rewrite the tool table now?
[20:06:17] <mhaberler> yes
[20:06:33] <mhaberler> interp is the wrong place because its exec time, not readahead time
[20:06:41] <cradek> right
[20:06:58] <cradek> well, tool changes aren't queued in the interplist
[20:07:09] <cradek> so possibly it could be there anyway?
[20:07:13] <cradek> I haven't thought this through
[20:07:35] <mhaberler> hm, potentially - now that you say it
[20:07:51] <mhaberler> I'll sleep over it
[20:08:07] <mhaberler> it would be great to have all that stuff in a single place
[20:08:56] <mhaberler> I'm not concened about that anymore; what I am concerned about is removing the tooltable array from NML (size limits etc)
[20:08:58] <cradek> currently we have "swap with pocket 0" and "don't do anything" as the two behaviors. I have to wonder what else is needed, and how it could be made flexible enough.
[20:09:22] <mhaberler> dont worry.. these are already Pyhon subs in the interpreter ;-)
[20:09:29] <cradek> yes it would be awesome to be rid of that size limit
[20:10:08] <mhaberler> probably I need some array accessor in case a a UI or somesuch needs something else that tooltable{0}
[20:10:34] <cradek> is it true that they currently use only the 0 entry?
[20:10:47] <mhaberler> I'm not sure, that's why I'm concerned...
[20:10:52] <cradek> heh
[20:11:45] <mhaberler> btw on a different issue, you recent discussion here on Python 2 end of life and the C API: I delved into boost.python and that already IS p3k compatible
[20:12:15] <mhaberler> besides signifcantly simplifiying a c++/Python module
[20:13:09] <cradek> that wasn't me
[20:13:20] <cradek> I know nothing about p3k, boost, etc
[20:13:31] <cradek> ... except that boost is pronounced "boots"
[20:13:44] <mhaberler> oh, i see.. might have been jepler
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[20:25:24] <slime2k> hmm, looks like i must compile my own kernel and rtai modules with smp enabled
[20:25:35] <slime2k> or use ubuntu 8.04
[20:25:50] <skunkworks__> ?
[20:25:51] <slime2k> there are precompiled packages
[20:26:06] <cradek> our ubuntu 10 kernel is smp-enabled
[20:26:15] <skunkworks__> I am pretty sure that the lucid reatime kernel is smp enabled.
[20:26:19] <skunkworks__> heh
[20:26:26] <slime2k> and the rtai modules?
[20:26:43] <cradek> they are built to match the kernel, otherwise they wouldn't work
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[20:27:11] <slime2k> ok, but why i get such high jitter values?
[20:27:20] <slime2k> 16000
[20:27:35] <skunkworks__> slime2k: that seems ok...
[20:27:49] <skunkworks__> what kind of step rate are you looking for?
[20:27:50] <cradek> that's a fine number for all but the very highest software step generation requirements, I suggest just moving on
[20:29:07] <archivist> pc
[20:29:34] <archivist> gah having two pc keyboards is a pain :(
[20:30:01] <slime2k> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?EMC_Ubuntu91
[20:30:26] <Jymmm> archivist: http://synergy2.sf.net/
[20:31:02] <cradek> slime2k: today it's better to use ubuntu 10
[20:31:02] <slime2k> Exercise the computer, run GLX gears, surf the web etc to get some realistic latency numbers.
[20:31:04] <slime2k> I've been getting max numbers of about 3800 for the servo thread and 4050 for the base thread.
[20:31:20] <slime2k> cradek: yes, i have 10
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[20:32:02] <cradek> did you try the cpu isolation with the linuxcnc kernel?
[20:32:08] <slime2k> yes
[20:32:13] <slime2k> isolcpus=1
[20:35:28] <cradek> what step rate do you need for your machine's max velocity?
[20:35:49] <slime2k> good question
[20:35:53] <slime2k> :)
[20:36:56] <cradek> I give credit to skunkworks for asking the very relevant question
[20:37:20] <slime2k> http://amalas.eu/~slime/PROJECTS/CNC/big/P1010092.JPG
[20:38:02] <cradek> sure is green
[20:38:07] <slime2k> :D
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[20:44:05] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,36/id,10363/lang,english/#10363
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[20:46:16] <JT-Shop> one for archivist http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,20/id,10362/lang,english/#10362
[20:46:49] <slime2k> cradek: i think the 16000 would be enough
[20:47:17] <slime2k> i simply try to understand why they get such tiny values with the atom 330
[20:47:38] <cradek> perhaps the hardware has changed, or a bios setting is different
[20:48:09] <slime2k> ok, its another hw, atom 525
[20:48:15] <slime2k> :)
[20:48:37] <cradek> ...
[20:48:41] <slime2k> oO
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[20:50:04] <slime2k> but its newer
[20:50:08] <slime2k> :)
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[20:52:45] <archivist_emc> JT-Shop, he has to learn the inverse time mode or guess his feed rate, currently the trajectory planner has no clue of the radius the tool is at http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode_main.html#sub:G93,-G94:-Set
[20:53:49] <JT-Shop> thanks
[20:54:19] <cradek> if both X and A are moving and he programs F10 in the normal G94 mode, doesn't he get what he want?
[20:54:49] <JT-Shop> I would assume so
[20:55:21] <cradek> but yes in general the solution is G93 as recommended here http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gcode/overview.html#_g_code_best_practices
[20:55:56] <JT-Shop> thanks guys
[20:56:08] <archivist_emc> I hope the planner knows the radius one day :)
[20:56:37] <cradek> the generalized solution is hard
[20:56:54] <cradek> the special case of having just A along X is a little hard
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[21:01:19] <archivist> a line from my helical .ngc G1 F50 x[#4] a#5 z[0-#6]
[21:01:32] <archivist> thats the actual cut
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[21:08:03] <Spida> is there anybody in germany willing to accept a small non-comercial milling job?
[21:09:00] * JT-Shop thinks he has a shooting solution for the chamfer subroutine :)
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[21:46:00] <L33TG33KG34R> elmo40, you want to see where I was having trouble?
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[21:52:14] <elmo40> slime2k: nice mill :) is that a vacuum table?
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[22:09:21] <archivist> Jymmm, synergy seems to work! thanks from this box
[22:09:33] <archivist_emc> and from this one
[22:10:26] <cpresser> Spida: depends on the job :)
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[22:20:14] <Jymmm> archivist: np, just be sure to only use it on a secure network.
[22:23:27] <JT-Shop> a bit more progress http://gnipsel.com/shop/inside/inside.xhtml
[22:28:31] <Spida> cpresser: a few plates of gfk... fiber reinforced plastic...
[22:29:18] <archivist_emc> Jymmm, should be ok here as I dont let that port in the door through the router
[22:29:53] <Jymmm> archivist: cool
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[22:42:02] <Guest354> have ubuntu/emc and ubuntu/studio should i use seperate instalations and dual boot?
[22:46:27] <Guest354> seems best choice given I don't have a clue
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[22:52:12] <JT-Shop> if you want both yes a dual boot might be best
[22:54:52] <archivist_emc> or just install studio apps later on the emc system
[22:56:23] <Guest354> thanks
[22:57:57] <Guest354> if anybody needs advise on making their own pcbs for stepper/servo drives, that i can do
[22:58:23] <tom3p> realtime audio apps running under an rtai kernel? maybe dual boot is better
[22:58:26] <cpresser> Spida: i have never done gfk so far. but i guess its almost the same as PCB material
[22:58:47] <scanf> im trying to get into milling pcbs
[22:58:55] <scanf> how?
[22:59:14] <Spida> cpresser: yes. only without the copper. my sheets are 1.5mm and 1mm thick, so its about the same
[22:59:36] <Guest354> i use feric choride to make boardsetch
[23:00:07] <Guest354> they look like oem boards
[23:00:09] <cpresser> scanf: what exacly is you question?
[23:00:25] <scanf> how to mill pcbs
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[23:01:28] <cpresser> use engraving-tools with a cnc mill
[23:02:10] <cpresser> a good start for generating g-code is 'pcb2gcode' for eagle
[23:02:36] <jdhNC> is there a pcb2gcode and a pcbgcode?
[23:03:16] <JT-Shop> 138 sheets of OSB down 2 left to go...
[23:03:51] * JT-Shop decides to save some fun for tomorrow
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[23:05:17] <cpresser> jdhNC: one is for eagle-files, the other works with gerber-files
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[23:05:27] <tom3p> scanf theres loads of info on the web if you google a bit, and this group maybe handy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CNC-PCB_Design/
[23:05:59] <jdhNC> ahh... I guess I need the '2' version. I'm painfully slowly working on a board
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[23:28:06] <jdhNC> is there a way to auto-clean-up wires in eagle schematics?
[23:28:07] <L33TG33KG34R> WTF?! http://students.autodesk.com/?nd=home
[23:28:46] <L33TG33KG34R> EVERYTHING for FREE???
[23:28:54] <jdhNC> 13 month license for all products
[23:29:10] <jdhNC> it watermarks things
[23:29:54] <L33TG33KG34R> nvm then. pointless
[23:30:19] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,30/id,10365/lang,english/#10365
[23:30:23] <jdhNC> not really, it is not for commercial use.
[23:30:46] <jdhNC> for autocad, the watermark only lives in .dwgs, it saves dxf's clean
[23:31:05] <JT-Shop> it's like giving free crack to kids to get them hooked
[23:31:33] <L33TG33KG34R> well kinda like apple, but free...
[23:32:13] <L33TG33KG34R> well, still like solidworks. although inventor has better rendering due to them using mental ray and such
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