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[02:31:42] <l0st1nsp4c3> any of you have any good feed rate / cutting speed / material calcs?
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[03:30:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/milling-speed-and-feed
[03:31:00] <Tom_itx> seems to have alot of good info
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[07:17:02] <mrsunshine_> oh so thats how i reduce the rpm on the southbend
[07:17:10] <mrsunshine_> tho got some serious vibrations going on :/
[07:17:24] <mrsunshine_> and alu against steel doesnt make for a good bearing surface i think
[07:19:49] <archivist_emc> ally against steel can be ok if lubricated ok
[07:20:22] <mrsunshine_> archivist, well it sint and id ont know how to get lube there :/
[07:26:10] <mrsunshine_> http://www.lathes.co.uk/southbend9-inch/img12.gif looks like that, where i freecouple the belt drive from the front koggs and engage the back coggs ... cant find a greese nipple or anything for it
[07:31:46] <mrsunshine_> must be so much easier to build a lathe today
[07:31:56] <mrsunshine_> vfd for rpm control, and electric motors for power feed :P
[07:34:25] <Jymmm> Yesh, those old fashion mule drawn motors are really stinky!
[07:35:45] <Jymmm> and don't get me started on those river water wheel motors in the winter time....
[07:42:56] <mrsunshine_> kinda do not like it how they integrated the gears into so much stuff on this lathe
[07:48:41] <toastydeath> grease nipple on a journal bearing?
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[07:50:22] <archivist_emc> mrsunshine_, what my southbend looks similar too
http://www.lathes.co.uk/southbend/img9.gif
[07:50:40] <toastydeath> aren't all those oil lubricated, not grease
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[07:53:51] <mrsunshine_> toastydeath, well its when you disingage the pulley, with the huge gap i guess grease should be the one
[07:53:55] <mrsunshine_> its not very tight
[08:01:24] <Valen> al on steel is a decent bearing surface though the Al is sacrificial ;->
[08:01:48] <mrsunshine_> gah the backgears on the soutbend how the heck are they fitted together ... they have "repaired" the handle on mine and they welded the pin into the freakin handle :/
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[09:00:15] <IchGuckLive> hi all BIG PROBLEM
[09:00:38] <IchGuckLive> today 9 of my 12 Student EMC2 faild to start the mashine
[09:00:57] <IchGuckLive> i managed to restart 5 by reinstalling the packet
[09:01:06] <Jymmm> replace the students
[09:01:21] <IchGuckLive> but 4 doesnt start ->
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/401494/
[09:01:34] <IchGuckLive> this is so boaring
[09:02:01] <IchGuckLive> i realy need your help why emc is not starting
[09:02:19] <IchGuckLive> waiting for s.axes
[09:02:27] <IchGuckLive> is this a AXis problem
[09:02:36] <Tom_itx> not a typo in the config is it?
[09:03:01] <psha> IchGuckLive: maybe .ini files were broken?
[09:03:03] <Tom_itx> what is the 's' axis?
[09:03:12] <IchGuckLive> nothing is changed
[09:03:19] <psha> it's waiting on emc.stat object until number if axes is non zero
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[09:03:53] <psha> so if you have no axes in config it'll wait as long as you allow
[09:04:12] <IchGuckLive> so what to do ?
[09:04:23] <IchGuckLive> stepconf ?
[09:04:31] <psha> first check config files
[09:05:03] <psha> or run emc with one of sample configs
[09:06:35] <psha> also you may try 'debsums' package to check integrity of installed package
[09:06:47] <psha> debsums emc2
[09:06:58] <psha> will validate all files agains their md5 hashes
[09:07:13] <IchGuckLive> ok
[09:08:50] <IchGuckLive> there we are back in business 3 started
[09:09:04] <IchGuckLive> one to go
[09:09:48] <psha> before reinstall - validate content
[09:09:58] <psha> so you'll know what happened
[09:11:11] <IchGuckLive> this where all the PC that had the proplem with the endless loops
[09:13:20] <IchGuckLive> got it all back to live by reinstalling the packet ans starting emc from the panell with sim mide then restart the pc and run from Menue the mashine config !
[09:13:32] <IchGuckLive> B) :D :DD XD
[09:13:43] <IchGuckLive> by thill the evening
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[10:25:27] <jthornton> if you don't have Internet access and want to upgrade do you just download emc2 d.4.6.tar.gz and copy that to the computer then run the archive manager on it?
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[10:46:58] <psha> jthornton: you mean emc2 2.4.6 deb?
[10:47:19] <jthornton> psha: I don't know what I mean :/
[10:47:25] <psha> yes, there is no difference how you get debs to target system
[10:47:50] <jthornton> a user has a mill that does not have internet and needs/wants to upgrade to 2.4.6
[10:49:22] <jthornton> I assume that the tar.gz is the deb here
http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/dists/hardy/emc2.4/source/
[10:49:59] <psha> internet, floppy or even pigeon mail
[10:50:07] <psha> no
[10:50:08] <psha> it's sources
[10:50:12] <psha> he needs .deb
[10:50:29] <jthornton> do you know where to download that from?
[10:50:34] <psha> or if he wants RIP - he need sources
[10:50:40] <psha> yes, from repo
[10:50:47] <jthornton> no, he has an installed EMC
[10:50:54] <psha> http://linuxcnc.org/lucid/
[10:51:12] <psha> http://linuxcnc.org/lucid/dists/lucid/emc2.4/binary-i386/
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[10:51:56] <jthornton> emc2_2.4.6_i386.deb ?
[10:52:22] <psha[work]> yes
[10:52:31] <psha[work]> also grab version he has currently installed
[10:52:43] <psha[work]> so if something goes wrong you'll be able to restore older version
[10:52:51] <jthornton> ok, thanks
[10:56:37] <mrsunshine_> hope my modifications to the lathe will be enough to reduce the stupid vibrations
[10:56:44] <mrsunshine_> or i will bolt the stupid motor to the freakin floor!
[11:00:11] <jthornton> is the motor the source of vibrations?
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[11:04:47] <archivist_emc> belt can be a cause
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[11:13:20] <jthornton> I'd want to know the source of the problem before I fix it... but I'm funny that way
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[12:07:11] <jthornton> anyone have a good link for right angle triangle formulas? All I can find so far are junk
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[12:19:25] <Tom_itx> i generally pull em from the machinists handbook
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[12:21:24] <Tom_L> http://www.mathopenref.com/triangleequilateralarea.html
[12:21:31] <Tom_L> there's one i use with the kids
[12:22:01] <jthornton> yea, me too but it is out in the shop
[12:22:19] <Tom_L> http://www.mathopenref.com/righttriangle.html
[12:22:26] <archivist_emc> such a long walk!
[12:22:30] <jthornton> probably too advanced for me then :)
[12:23:02] <Tom_itx> just drag the dot
[12:23:03] <Tom_itx> :D
[12:23:53] <jthornton> darn don't have the plugins
[12:24:16] <archivist_emc> these are useful to have lying around
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Precision-Reference-Drawing-Toolroom-Workshop/dp/B0000CLZUO
[12:24:48] <archivist_emc> Tom_itx, heh that crashed firefox
[12:24:58] <Tom_itx> java
[12:25:36] <jthornton> quicker to just take a shower and get dressed then take the dog for a run (she will sulk if I don't) then get the machinists handbook out
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[12:26:02] <jthornton> see you in the shop
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[13:01:04] * JT-Shop turns to that dog eared page in the large print machinist handbook on solutions of right angled triangles :)
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[13:09:09] <skunkworks_> created m100 and m101 for spindle index. Now I can get the touch probe calibrated.
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[13:19:48] <mrsunshine_> hmm i guess ic an do any size and thread pitch combination i want with a lathe? :)
[13:19:56] <mrsunshine_> like 0.25mm pitch M10
[13:20:00] <mrsunshine_> 10mm :P
[13:20:06] <mrsunshine_> maybe not called a M10 then
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[13:22:34] <JT-Shop> skunkworks_: neat!
[13:26:39] <skunkworks_> thanks! we have some opto22 style modues that are 25us switch time. should be more than fast enough for probing at servo cycle times.
[13:35:10] <skunkworks_> plus it will be nice for exiting a hole (index spindle - move over - retract) after a boring operation.
[13:36:36] <skunkworks_> hmm - I should hook the thing though feed hold. I do have a loop though the gearshift - so that I know when the spindle is locked. (islocked signal)
[13:37:18] <skunkworks_> I needed that for the tool change. (tool change waits for the spindle lock operation to finish before it swaps the tool.
[13:38:03] <Valen> M10 defines the width
[13:38:14] <Valen> you can have a M10x.25
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[13:45:36] <JT-Shop> almost have to have that for back boring of small holes
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[15:09:11] <skunkworks_> JT-Shop: shure
[15:09:14] <skunkworks_> sure
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[17:02:43] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
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[17:33:48] <IchGuckLive> Connor: is trhere any Code now ?
[17:34:01] <Connor> IchGuckLive: Huh?
[17:34:09] <IchGuckLive> Pendant
[17:34:41] <IchGuckLive> i try to fit all together tomorrow if the Thunderstorms keep come
[17:34:43] <Connor> Oh. Sorry.. I've been a bit busy. I have a python interface script.. and some Arduino code that I had working.
[17:35:24] <IchGuckLive> aruiino works fine all in and out within a ΒΉ0ms loop
[17:35:27] <Connor> in order to do some stuff *I* wanted to do, I had to make changes to axis.py as well. Small changes.. but, I added in some extra pins to get info I wanted
[17:35:53] <IchGuckLive> ok im waiting
[17:36:13] <Connor> let me copy it over and post it up somewhere.
[17:36:44] <IchGuckLive> we shoudt start a section on the Wiki
[17:37:00] <Connor> Yea. I'm looking for a place to store the code..
[17:37:07] <Connor> I guess the wiki would work.
[17:37:26] <IchGuckLive> i woudt like to get a full wiki side on this to read of the project and keep all the pics and infos there
[17:38:39] <IchGuckLive> Today it wars Terrible in the morning with EMC 9 of the 12 Education terminals dident start i managed to restart 5 and with the Help here then after 30min the other 4
[17:39:02] <Connor> That's not cool
[17:39:14] <IchGuckLive> thats realy not
[17:39:56] <IchGuckLive> iall the PC that run into an endless WHILE loop have now problems to start the mashine ini
[17:41:57] <IchGuckLive> tommorow 15 min early in case the problem is the same
[17:43:26] <IchGuckLive> By the way @ all can i run a 5Axis via 1 parport ?
[17:43:59] <Connor> You have any free output pins ?
[17:45:10] <IchGuckLive> Connor: where
[17:45:21] <Connor> on your parport.
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[17:45:50] <Connor> You should have a step and dir pin for each axis, and a enable pin
[17:45:52] <IchGuckLive> the 8 Datapins can run 4 Axis
[17:46:51] <IchGuckLive> i only need 2 enable 1 for the standard 4 Axis and one for the rotary
[17:47:27] <IchGuckLive> ineed XYUVC
[17:48:06] <Connor> I think you have 8 for normal data, but, the status pins for a parport can be used for output as well.
[17:48:58] <Connor> 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,14,16,17 ? I think.
[17:49:44] <Connor> oh, and 1
[17:49:49] <tom3p> IchGuckLive, is there a picture/sketch of this xyuvc machine?
[17:50:15] <IchGuckLive> its a standart Styrocut
[17:50:25] <IchGuckLive> 2 XY and a turntable
[17:50:41] <IchGuckLive> if i go for UV i can do 3D
[17:52:39] <IchGuckLive> tom3p:
http://rc-letmathe.de/images/CNC.jpg
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[17:55:00] <IchGuckLive> hevy thunderstorms here in the Area
[17:55:42] <fragalot> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290569983872
[17:55:45] <fragalot> I think I came a little
[17:56:29] <IchGuckLive> fragalot: 97 bids
[17:56:44] <fragalot> if you had the money, can you blame them?
[17:57:07] <IchGuckLive> thats alot stuff there
[17:57:10] <jdhNC> if you had the money, you could buy 'normal' tools and a lifetime supply of hookers
[17:57:18] <fragalot> jdhNC: rofl
[17:57:44] <IchGuckLive> jdhNC: and go to hooters to ! B)
[17:59:23] <jdhNC> and with Whitworth
[18:00:08] * fragalot stares quietly at his comparatively tiny metric facom collection
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[18:00:14] <fragalot> I feel inadequate.
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[18:21:29] <Loetmichel> fragalot: why?
[18:22:26] <fragalot> tool collection. not big enough.
[18:22:35] <fragalot> it's got everything I'll ever need, but.. still :P
[18:22:58] * Loetmichel has 2 sets of spanners and some ratchets with nuts
[18:23:16] <Loetmichel> ... from gedore... never failed me
[18:23:40] <Loetmichel> and one torque wrench
[18:23:57] <fragalot> never heard of gedore
[18:24:11] <Loetmichel> german company
[18:24:49] <Loetmichel> the 1" torque wrench 1 used to loosen the wheel nuts on my Truck.
[18:25:16] <L84Supper> heh 2 axis printer for 3d, there's reason they didn't show a closeup of the photo printed.... FUZEEE
[18:25:29] <Loetmichel> with 3 people haning on a 4 meters Steel tube as a extension
[18:25:31] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVTXHggsEwA
[18:25:42] <Loetmichel> did it like a charm
[18:25:58] <fragalot> lol
[18:26:16] <Loetmichel> the tools from gedore were made fpr eternity
[18:26:18] <Loetmichel> for
[18:26:29] <fragalot> I prefer those + shaped wrenches for cars.. larger distance between knuckles and rim.. and less sideways force on the nut
[18:26:41] <fragalot> Loetmichel: sounds like it.. How are they priced?
[18:27:01] <fragalot> facom is built for life too, but they're priced for that too
[18:27:03] <Loetmichel> the 1" torque wrench: about 800 euro
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[18:27:11] <Loetmichel> ~1000 dollars i think
[18:27:12] <L84Supper> what is "XYUVC"?
[18:27:27] <fragalot> Loetmichel: belgian here :P euros 'l do
[18:28:03] <fragalot> Hm. that is rather pricey
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[18:28:33] <Loetmichel> yes
[18:28:48] <Loetmichel> and living forever ;-)
[18:29:28] * fragalot thinks he'll stick to facom a bit longer
[18:29:29] <fragalot> xD
[18:29:54] <fragalot> tbf I have no complaints about facom :/ their stuff is just good
[18:30:09] <Loetmichel> what i meant: one set of tools is enough, maybe two wrenches of each size
[18:30:40] <fragalot> def. need 2 of each in my opinion
[18:30:42] <Loetmichel> that much like in the ebay link: totally over the top for ONE person
[18:31:16] <fragalot> one mistake that i've made is that special type wrench.. one side of it shorter than the other
[18:31:32] <Loetmichel> ?
[18:31:35] <fragalot> http://www.facom-gereedschap.nl/contents/media/wrench_large.gif
[18:31:35] <fragalot> those
[18:31:38] <fragalot> utter
[18:31:38] <fragalot> crap
[18:31:49] <Loetmichel> yeah
[18:31:52] <Loetmichel> i think so
[18:32:31] <fragalot> i've seen some nice universal wrenches from stanley.. but they're a bit too bulky to consider I think
[18:32:46] <Loetmichel> i even had some NORMAL wrenches pull the nut to a round stock
[18:33:02] <Loetmichel> so with this crap it will happen even more ;-)
[18:33:05] <fragalot> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41z0SLYsf6L.jpg <= those
[18:33:16] <fragalot> Loetmichel: no it won't happen more, it just doesn't work on already worn nuts
[18:33:20] <fragalot> new nuts are fine without damage
[18:33:20] <Loetmichel> dont like them either
[18:33:52] <fragalot> I don't know, i've got a cheep ANCIENT hook wrench and it works quite well when there's enough room for it
[18:33:58] <fragalot> but fails miserably in tight spots
[18:35:07] <fragalot> the fact that it grips on to round rods too is rather useful in some exceptions.. hence the "considering" :P
[18:35:48] <Loetmichel> ah, just for example: got a ratchet nut in 12 hammered on a rusty 13mm nut wich has worn beyond all recognition
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[18:36:54] <Loetmichel> loosend it, hammered it out of the ratchet nut: looked like a brandnew 12mm nut with a formet washer beneath
[18:36:58] <Loetmichel> THAT is gedore ;-)
[18:37:07] <fragalot> xD
[18:37:16] <fragalot> but for cases like that, those hook wrenches are brilliant
[18:37:30] <fragalot> the harder you try to turn it the harder it grips it
[18:37:32] <Loetmichel> formed
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[18:38:26] <Loetmichel> fragalot: the problem: it conmpresses the nut on one puint and CAN lock it on the screw this way
[18:38:44] <Loetmichel> especially if the screw has rusted also
[18:39:01] <fragalot> Loetmichel: Ah yeah
[18:39:10] <fragalot> what about those nut splitters
[18:39:27] <fragalot> i've never actually tried those :/ kinda curious on how much damage they do to the bolt
[18:40:00] <Loetmichel> they dont
[18:40:08] <fragalot> :o
[18:40:16] <Loetmichel> IF the nut isnt too ductile
[18:40:20] <fragalot> howcome I don't have one yet then
[18:40:25] * fragalot puts it on his list
[18:41:28] <Loetmichel> if the nut isnt hard enough it simply will not split and be compressd onto the bolt
[18:41:40] <Loetmichel> so nothing gained but nothing kost also
[18:41:42] <Loetmichel> lost
[18:42:14] <fragalot> what if you pre-emptively redneck harden it
[18:42:29] <Loetmichel> than it will split like a charm
[18:42:43] <fragalot> cool
[18:42:43] <Loetmichel> IGF you dont make it harder than the splitter ;-)
[18:42:47] <fragalot> haha
[18:43:02] <Loetmichel> but ypu would have hardened the bolt also
[18:43:07] <fragalot> at that point it's probably brittle enough to break with a hammer
[18:43:14] <Loetmichel> so not a good idea if you want to use it again
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[18:43:27] <fragalot> Loetmichel: Yeah but typically when something's locked together that hard you generally want to replace it anyway
[18:43:36] <Loetmichel> thats right
[18:44:01] <fragalot> friend of mine is trying to figure out how to get rid of one of his old presses
[18:44:03] <Loetmichel> but than you simply could use a chisel an give it a good whack
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[18:44:31] <Loetmichel> to cut nut AND bolt
[18:44:39] <fragalot> weighs <insert large number here> tons.. built like machines are supposed to be built, held together by 15cm thick bolts going straight trough the frame
[18:44:48] <fragalot> in the middle of his shop...
[18:44:50] <Loetmichel> ouch
[18:45:09] <fragalot> those bolts were heated up before they were inserted and tightened too
[18:45:17] <fragalot> so trying to pry those loose is going to be a no-no :P
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[18:45:34] <Loetmichel> you'll need a LARGE extension ;-)
[18:45:39] <fragalot> hahaa
[18:45:52] <fragalot> and a moving car for the torque?
[18:46:00] <Loetmichel> maybe....
[18:46:03] <fragalot> big tow line attached to a long pipe >.>
[18:46:45] <Loetmichel> its like newton said: "give me a fixed point in space ad i lift the World from its axle"
[18:46:58] <fragalot> Loetmichel: he's tried to unscrew them with a 7 ton chain thingy
[18:47:03] <Loetmichel> (or something like that, (c) rough translation by me)
[18:47:10] <fragalot> and a 1 meter long pipe
[18:47:19] <fragalot> all that did was bend the pipe (obviously)
[18:47:42] <Loetmichel> little short fot 15cm thick bolts
[18:47:44] <fragalot> I think he's just going to give up and blast trough a few bottles of acetylene
[18:48:30] <Loetmichel> fragalot: if he only wants to get rid of the biolts in his workshop: Liquid nitrogen and a big hammer
[18:48:42] <fragalot> he wants to get rid of the entire machine
[18:48:44] <Loetmichel> its the WAY less messier way
[18:49:36] <fragalot> Loetmichel: That could possibly work
[18:50:06] <fragalot> it's an old machine, so the steel probably has lots of impurities in it to help
[18:50:21] <Loetmichel> but tell him to wear safety googles
[18:50:46] <fragalot> I think he may want more than just goggles
[18:50:54] <fragalot> lots of tension in those bols
[18:50:55] <fragalot> bolts
[18:51:15] <Loetmichel> there IS kind of a "shrapnel" if you hit (cold)brittle steel with a big hammer
[18:51:57] <fragalot> and even more when that steel is under a high load
[18:52:09] * Loetmichel had done this quite a few times
[18:52:34] <fragalot> the first thing we've tried is to try and drag it out
[18:52:42] <fragalot> worked with one of the machines, but not on it's bigger brother
[18:53:10] <Loetmichel> on time even a 10cm hydraulic cylinder
[18:53:12] <fragalot> after it's outside it's Mister Scrapheap Guy his problem :P
[18:53:19] <Loetmichel> it shatters like glass
[18:53:24] <Jymmm> JT-Shop:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTIOSryx9NU&NR=1&feature=fvwp
[18:53:25] <fragalot> haha
[18:54:19] * Loetmichel had to pull some shards out of his shin ;-)
[18:54:25] <fragalot> Jymmm: stop drop and roll :3
[18:54:35] <fragalot> just not perticularly in that order
[18:55:37] <Loetmichel> the poor motorcycle
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[19:56:48] <JT-Shop> that's the way the local Honda dealer treats bikes... like they are some cow shit covered farmers 4-wheeler
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[20:20:33] <Connor> Okay, so, what's better at sound proofing, Pink Insulation Foam, or the white beaded foam ?
[20:21:29] <JT-Shop> egg crate foam
[20:21:47] <Connor> Foam Rubber?
[20:21:59] <Connor> squishy stuff? :)
[20:22:04] <JT-Shop> no, the foam that looks like egg crates
[20:22:19] <JT-Shop> yea squishy sound trapping stuff
[20:22:42] <Connor> Stuff you use to pack stuff up.
[20:22:48] <JT-Shop> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=sound+dampening+foam&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=995&bih=886&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=15392295374855092645&sa=X&ei=CzftTbLpNYnUgQfVmsjXCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CHcQ8gIwAw
[20:23:49] <Connor> Geez. That's pricey.
[20:24:09] <JT-Shop> go to wal mart and get the stuff for your bed
[20:24:25] <Connor> Built my vacuum box last night.. Nice 24" x 24" x 32" tall box out of MDF..
[20:24:52] <Connor> Does good on it's own.. I've got pink foam and beaded foam I've been saving for years.
[20:24:58] <JT-Shop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundproofing
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[20:32:20] <willburrrr2003> hope everyone had a nice weekend :)
[20:33:25] <JT-Shop> finished installing the garage door and installed the new kitchen door... made my wife happy to have a door again in the kitchen
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[20:34:41] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: what time is it?
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[20:34:52] <Jymmm> Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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[20:55:13] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, you should add a remote sensor and switch to your garage door now
[20:55:17] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/door_monitor/door_index.php
[20:55:33] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/door_monitor/indicator5.jpg
[20:55:42] <willburrrr2003> I have my lathe and control panel moved out to it's new home in the garage :D , and found after that none of the power to the room works at all... turns out none of the scarry horrible wiring I traced back is connected to the breaker panel.... so next couple days have some wiring to tear out and new wiring to put in.
[20:56:15] <willburrrr2003> JT-Shop, sounds like you know that if she's happy, then your happy :D
[20:56:53] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I agree with Tom_itx, but his implementation sucks, this is far better....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS
[20:58:17] <Tom_itx> mine was dead simple
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[20:58:40] <Jymmm> Mine is dead accurate
[20:58:40] <Tom_itx> that one would require a bigger switch
[20:59:09] <Jymmm> No switch at all, 100% completely self contained, self-arming too
[20:59:16] <Tom_itx> he might not have a shop if it were to monitor too closely
[20:59:31] <Jymmm> 5+ mile range
[20:59:57] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: my office is in the shop so I can monitor it pretty easy
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[21:22:03] <L33TG33KG34R> hey guys, any solidworks users in here?
[21:23:41] <L33TG33KG34R> i need help with mating slots
[21:24:20] <JT-Shop> what kind of mate are you trying to do?
[21:25:01] <L33TG33KG34R> well I have a pin that goes into a slot, but the slot has a 45 deg angle in the middle and the pin is stationary
[21:25:34] <tom3p> |/\| ?
[21:25:48] <JT-Shop> when I mate a circle to a slot on the slotted part I draw a circle where I want the mate to be using construction lines
[21:26:01] <JT-Shop> then mate the two circles
[21:26:25] <JT-Shop> unless it has to move in the assembly...
[21:26:31] <L33TG33KG34R> it does
[21:27:08] <JT-Shop> then I draw an arc or line using construction and mate the center of the pin to that
[21:27:36] <L33TG33KG34R> ok...trying. thanks for the help
[21:27:47] <Connor> Anyone have any ideas on how to make a load sensing circuit that will turn on a relay/triac/SSR when you turn on other equipment? I want to rig something up so that my vacuum auto starts up when I turn on my drill press, or bandsaw. and after I shut them down, stays on for another 10-15 seconds.
[21:28:09] <JT-Shop> an off delay timer
[21:28:36] <Connor> Timing part is secondary.. It's the detecting if the drillpress/bandsaw is turned on.
[21:29:29] <JT-Shop> when you turn on the machines close a relay to start the timer
[21:30:17] <JT-Shop> when the last relay goes off the timer times out and then shuts off your sucker
[21:42:13] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, mine is in the far side of the basement so it's pretty handy having the monitor
[21:43:14] <Connor> http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2080165/28298/iVac-Automated-Vacuum-Switch.aspx
[21:43:18] <Connor> that's what I'm wanting.
[21:43:39] <Connor> Shouldn't be that hard to build.
[21:44:02] <L33TG33KG34R> ok...
http://www.leetgeekgear.ca/IMAGES/GDADAHRS/Reverse%20Thrust%20Slot.png this is the slot. They both interface each other. am I supposed to draw the construction line in the assembly for each pin?
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[21:52:46] <JT-Shop> well that is interesting
[21:52:53] <Connor> ??
[21:53:13] <JT-Shop> the slot
[21:53:27] <Connor> Yea, what is it for ?
[21:54:04] <JT-Shop> not sure how you would mate that and have fluid movement around the corner...
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[21:54:53] <JT-Shop> have you tried Fit Spline for a center line?
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[21:58:33] <L33TG33KG34R> fit spline?, no...
[21:59:09] <L33TG33KG34R> but I don't actually know what you meant by [15:27] <JT-Shop> then I draw an arc or line using construction and mate the center of the pin to that
[21:59:23] <JT-Shop> ah no that won't work but it will have to be a spline
[22:00:13] <JT-Shop> you can use the temp center of the pin or put a point in the center of the circle and mate the point to the line
[22:00:43] <JT-Shop> if you put enough points on the spline you can make it work
[22:00:58] <L33TG33KG34R> but do I draw the line in the part itself?
[22:02:50] <L33TG33KG34R> because the entire slot moves, so on one end, the pin is stationary and on the other end, the pin moves and the slot is stationary
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[22:03:55] <JT-Shop> just open the part and start a sketch on the face
[22:04:32] <JT-Shop> if you put two control points close to the angle you can get a straight line in the center with a small radius at the angle... take some work but doable.
[22:04:42] * JT-Shop goes back to the nail gun
[22:05:18] <willburrrr2003> * is off to read lots of mind numbing engineering specs....
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[22:11:13] <L33TG33KG34R> awesome, thanks. and I see why you need a spline and not connected lines... makes sense now.
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[22:12:12] <JT-Shop> cool
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[22:24:03] <L33TG33KG34R> AWESOME!!! that totally worked!!!
[22:24:07] <L33TG33KG34R> Thanks a LOT!
[22:25:10] <JT-Shop> np
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[22:47:32] <ve7it> damn kernel updates always breaks my nvidia driver...mumble mumble
[22:56:00] <L33TG33KG34R> I used fit spline to draw the spline with a tight corner
[22:58:03] <JT-Shop> nice
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[22:59:35] <L33TG33KG34R> great. it broked again.
[22:59:55] <L33TG33KG34R> when I mated the pins to the spline, I could move it fine, but when I saved it, it stopped moving... why?
[23:00:27] <JT-Shop> did you set the parts to solve as flexible?
[23:02:01] <L33TG33KG34R> how can I check that?
[23:02:06] <JT-Shop> I usually just create a custom configuration for each position a part has to be in and just mate in the correct place for each configuration... saves a bunch of time and you can click on each one to move it
[23:02:42] <JT-Shop> component properties
[23:05:27] <L33TG33KG34R> uh... "configure component"?
[23:05:57] <L33TG33KG34R> sorry for troubling you with these questions. I am fairly new to this.
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[23:14:30] <JT-Shop> in the feature tree of the assembly when I click on a part I get a bunch of choices to pick one is component properties
[23:14:49] <JT-Shop> it looks like a hand holding a sheet of pager
[23:14:51] <JT-Shop> paper
[23:15:11] <L33TG33KG34R> oh, but this is an assembly, not a subassembly
[23:16:14] <JT-Shop> right you are
[23:16:43] <JT-Shop> do the parts show up with (-) in the feature tree?
[23:17:18] <L33TG33KG34R> only a couple
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[23:17:57] <JT-Shop> only those parts will move the rest are fully defined
[23:18:33] <Tom_itx> solidworks?
[23:19:10] <JT-Shop> yea
[23:19:26] <L33TG33KG34R> so what I did is made the baseplate, guide pins and the slots that don't move fixed
[23:19:41] <L33TG33KG34R> and now one of the slots that is supposed to move, moves, but one doesn't
[23:21:02] <JT-Shop> the one that doesn't must be fully defined or not able to move
[23:21:29] <JT-Shop> that is why I just create configs for each position much easier to do
[23:22:15] <Tom_itx> i wish i spoke fluent solidworks
[23:22:23] <JT-Shop> for example for a cylinder I'll have a Default, Extended, and Retracted configuration
[23:23:11] <Tom_itx> i wanted to model those pulleys i did but it was easier to just draw them flat in my cad cam
[23:23:18] <JT-Shop> I use it to make a living for some time now...
[23:23:23] <Tom_itx> i know
[23:23:46] <Tom_itx> i'd get stuck making the v in the pulley
[23:23:53] <JT-Shop> sometimes a flat drawing is faster if you don't need to see the parts in an assembly
[23:24:03] <Tom_itx> more of a tutorial for me
[23:24:04] <JT-Shop> that's a revolve cut
[23:24:19] <Tom_itx> around a cylinder?
[23:24:30] <JT-Shop> you draw the shape and put a center line then do a revolved cut
[23:24:32] <JT-Shop> yep
[23:24:36] <Tom_itx> ahh
[23:24:54] <JT-Shop> center line is a construction line
[23:25:35] <Tom_itx> well it's installed already but i might do it just for an exercise
[23:25:55] <JT-Shop> its good to know how to do that
[23:26:35] <L33TG33KG34R> so how can I fix the part that isn't moving?
[23:29:15] <SWPadnos> IIRC, the base doesn't move, so you can make something else not move by constraining it to the base somehow
[23:29:43] <SWPadnos> like by aligning a pin hole centerline or two, and making some surfaces coincident
[23:31:37] <L33TG33KG34R> brb
[23:32:45] <JT-Shop> hi SWPadnos
[23:32:50] <SWPadnos> hi jt
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[23:55:05] <JT-Shop> a guy on the forum has a -1 Karma, didn't know that was possible
