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[03:44:06] <ve7it> Jymmm, cq cq cq
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[04:36:59] <joe078> Hey
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[04:45:29] <Jymmm> ve7it:
[04:45:56] <ve7it> Jymmm, whats cooKing
[04:46:46] <Jymmm> ve7it: Nada, just taking a break from watching a movie
[04:47:22] <ve7it> spent too much time on the welder today.... forgot not to weld in short sleeves.... nice sunburn
[04:47:46] <Jymmm> ve7it: Ouch, aloe vera gel
[04:48:02] <ve7it> I am a noxema man!
[04:48:21] <ve7it> sp??
[04:48:34] <Jymmm> but aloe vera has a natural anesthetic in it =)
[04:48:58] <Jymmm> sp????
[04:49:09] <Jymmm> spf4000
[04:50:07] <Jymmm> Oh, and avoid the movie 'Wall Street: money never sleeps (2010)'
[04:51:11] <ve7it> why?... waste of time?
[04:51:51] <Jymmm> Yeah, gonna rate it a 2 out of 5. Anything below a three is would never watch it again.
[04:52:51] <Jymmm> ok, bbl
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[04:54:59] <Gensor> I am looking for a relay that closes on loss of power, but am having difficulty finding one 110v source, 16amp 250volt
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[06:14:36] <ds3> 9
[06:14:46] <Gensor> 5
[06:15:32] <Jymmm> Gensor: Look for a 'contactor', not a relay.
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[06:33:38] <fragalot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cxl3B99MQQ&feature=feedrec_grec_index
[06:33:40] <fragalot> Holy. fuck.
[06:34:53] <Gensor> no finger loss. Odd
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[06:39:11] <Jymmm> fragalot What's the big deal, I can do that with my stepper motors easily.
[06:40:44] <Jymmm> ...when attached to the shaft of a jet engine =)
[06:40:45] <fragalot> mine can't :3
[06:41:14] <fragalot> Jymmm: imagine a 6mm pitch acme attached to that thing xD
[06:41:28] <Jymmm> digital dampening sounds interesting though.
[06:43:47] <Jymmm> fragalot: I'm really trying to figure out if there is aplication for 9K rpm stepper.
[06:44:46] <ds3> do you wire it up with coax?
[06:44:58] <ds3> and use RF transmitters to generate the steps?
[06:45:25] <Jymmm> http://www.granitedevices.fi/index.php?q=servo-drive-vsd-e
[06:45:36] <Jymmm> VSD-E
[06:46:59] <fragalot> Jymmm: I think the 9K rmp is just to provide ample overhead :P
[06:47:28] <fragalot> ds3: RF transmitters are useless
[06:47:47] <fragalot> ds3: that thing runs in the Ghz range (comments said it was 1/128 microstepping)
[06:54:24] <ds3> that's only 7.6MHz
[06:55:40] <fragalot> oh
[06:55:41] <fragalot> lame
[06:56:10] <Jymmm> well, not THAT lame
[06:56:29] <fragalot> lol
[06:57:45] <fragalot> someone just asked me to engrave his magnesium flint
[06:57:56] <fragalot> i'm not sure if I want to set my shed on fire :/
[06:59:11] <fragalot> :o I found my gerber again
[06:59:12] <fragalot> awesome
[07:02:58] <Jymmm> fragalot: Just do it under LN2
[07:04:05] <fragalot> lol
[07:04:26] <Jymmm> Hmmm, I wonder if you REALLY could engrave it wit it sitting on a block of dry ice.
[07:04:45] <fragalot> ... Don't know.. probably
[07:05:02] <fragalot> you can engrave it now just fine too.. it's just BLOODY FLAMMABLE
[07:05:03] <fragalot> :P
[07:05:54] <Jymmm> Um no, it's a Class D fire, and explosive if water dumper on it once ignited
[07:06:36] <Jymmm> But... fire (ignition) only exists if there's heat or oxygen.
[07:07:12] <fragalot> don't have water cooling on my machine. and the air cooling that is present comes from the spindle cooling blowing along the bit, lol
[07:07:31] <Jymmm> If you placed the magnesium in a tub filled with dry ice and engrave it in there, the CO2 would displaced the O2 and the cold will prevent the heat
[07:07:43] <fragalot> Jymmm: Yeah still I don't like the idea of there beeing magnesium powder everywhere and it only taking a spark for it to go whoosh
[07:07:50] <fragalot> ... xD
[07:07:57] <Jymmm> dry ice -130 F iirc
[07:08:06] <fragalot> wtf is farenheit based on anyway?
[07:08:11] <fragalot> does ANYONE know ? :/
[07:10:20] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit
[07:11:06] <fragalot> Jymmm: that's vague
[07:11:21] <fragalot> that just says it's based on "some mixture involving these ingredients"
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[07:21:12] <Jymmm> It's the 18th century, wth do you expect?
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[07:40:45] <fragalot> Jymmm: people to have stopped using farenheit by now :3
[07:41:32] <Jymmm> Why, becsue you can only count by tens?
[07:41:43] <Jymmm> ;)
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[07:48:41] <Jymmm> fragalot: Besides, we tried back when, just didn't happen.
[07:49:17] <fragalot> Jymmm: I like reproducible results :P
[07:50:12] <Jymmm> Next, you'll want to metricify the RF Spectrum ya bastard!
[07:51:34] <Jymmm> fragalot: tell me this... when building a home, what do you frame it with?
[07:52:01] <fragalot> Jymmm: what do you mean by "frame it with" ?
[07:52:19] <Jymmm> fragalot: with what type of wood?
[07:52:32] <fragalot> bricks..
[07:52:35] <Jymmm> whn you goto the lmmber story, what do you buy?
[07:53:23] <Jymmm> fragalot: when you goto the lumber story, what do you buy?
[07:53:34] <fragalot> Jymmm: 50x100
[07:53:53] <Jymmm> lying bastard!
[07:54:07] <fragalot> Jymmm: I never go to the lumber store really
[07:54:18] <fragalot> just get a tree sliced up & cut it myself later
[07:54:23] <Jymmm> you KNOW you by 2x4's
[07:55:34] <fragalot> Jymmm: actually when YOU go to the store and you buy a 2x4, it's really 1.5x3.5
[07:56:07] <fragalot> but when I go it's really 50x100 ...
[07:56:14] <Jymmm> that's FINISHED dimension, not NOMINAL dimension
[07:56:38] <fragalot> Jymmm: it's a useless dimension!
[07:56:58] <Jymmm> Not really
[07:57:07] <fragalot> that's like ordering a 60mm diameter rod and finding out they had to smooth it first so it's really only 50mm anymore
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[07:57:29] <fragalot> when I go to the store and I buy a 50x100, it actually is going to be 50x100
[07:57:35] <Jymmm> It's different uses.
[07:57:44] <fragalot> it's misdirection
[07:58:26] <Jymmm> No, it's called rough cut lumber
[07:58:55] <Jymmm> Which still has it's uses
[07:58:58] <fragalot> http://www.nubouwen.nl/vurenhout-klasse-c-geschaafd-4-zijdig-50x100mm bam.
[07:59:30] <fragalot> Jymmm: i'm not saying it's useless lumber, i'm saying the measurements given are useless
[07:59:46] <fragalot> .5" tolerance is a bit much when it's not specifically mentioned.
[08:00:56] <Jymmm> You're talking timber here that can have a 1"+ defect in it. Not precison ground steel
[08:01:05] <fragalot> dimensions for rough wood here are still accurate to 1mm, and dimensions given for finished wood is still within 1mm
[08:01:08] <Jymmm> It's a ntural material
[08:01:46] <fragalot> i've not seen wooden beams here with a defect that big in it.. notches that have popped out, or it warping, sure
[08:01:53] <fragalot> but the size itself is always correct
[08:02:13] <Jymmm> I thought you said that you dont go to the lumber store?
[08:02:45] <fragalot> others that I work with do.
[08:03:23] <fragalot> or when I don't feel like using oak for something & mess up a perfectly good tree slice..
[08:03:37] <Jymmm> I can hardly expect a natural product to be within 1mm on a rough cut. Hell there are even splinters bigger than that!
[08:04:08] <Jymmm> There's also shrinkage, warping, etc
[08:04:31] <Jymmm> not to mention blade kerf
[08:04:59] <fragalot> if fuel wasn't so expensive i'd be going to the lumber store now :P
[08:05:22] <Jymmm> how far are you from a lumber store?
[08:05:25] <Jymmm> in miles
[08:05:27] * mrsunshine is working with making planks etc atm in an old lumbermill =)
[08:06:07] <fragalot> Jymmm: nearest one would be ~7km
[08:06:24] <fragalot> with about 5km worth of detours and road works added to that
[08:06:39] <Jymmm> in miles
[08:07:01] <fragalot> ~7-8
[08:07:12] <Jymmm> thts not that far
[08:07:56] <fragalot> it is at the average speed of 20km/h you can manage going there
[08:08:03] <fragalot> gotta go, ttyl
[08:08:10] <Jymmm> hasta!
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[12:38:29] <The_Ball> anyone here use geckodrives with the single pin used for enable/disable/fault/no-fault?
[12:39:19] <The_Ball> The g320 uses a single pin which you pull high to enable, pull low to disable, floats high when ok, floats low when not-ok.
[12:39:33] <The_Ball> I'm not sure how to interface this to hal
[12:40:21] <The_Ball> I've created two outputs, one to pull high, one to pull low, and when both are off the pin gecko pin is left floating, this is also connected to a input pin
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[12:40:59] <Guest85744> re
[12:40:59] <The_Ball> Should I create a hal component to handle these pins, or perhaps ladder logic?
[12:41:01] <Guest85744> http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224092_2020504200646_1485178228_2315827_1272291_n.jpg
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[13:30:36] <anonimasu> question, would a grade 1 surface plate be _ok_ enough for scraping stuff?
[13:32:24] <anonimasu> 12΅m ~
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[13:35:57] <atom1> anonimasu what are you up to now??
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[13:37:00] <anonimasu> atom1: fixing a tapered gib
[13:39:56] <anonimasu> and im looking at tools and thinking if I should throw in a mitutoyo dial gauge
[13:40:05] <anonimasu> the / meter
[13:41:21] <anonimasu> since I dont own one of thoose
[13:41:31] <atom1> you can't have too many of those
[13:41:50] <atom1> you mean a 'last word' indicator?
[13:42:21] <anonimasu> yeah
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[13:42:46] <anonimasu> but I found something nicer on auction
[13:42:47] <atom1> i got one for my sherline :)
[13:43:02] <anonimasu> a mahr millitron counter and gauge
[13:43:30] <anonimasu> 0.001mm resolution :]
[13:43:52] <atom1> heh
[13:44:24] <anonimasu> it's not much more expensive then a mitutoyo gauge...
[13:45:39] <anonimasu> the mitutoyo is like the starret but with 3.93*10^-4" resolution
[13:45:52] <atom1> http://travers.com/product.asp?RequestData=CA_Search&navPath=All+Products%2F%2F%2F%2FUserSearch1%3Dmitutoyo+dial+indicator&eaprodid=67956%2D57%2D015%2D246
[13:46:01] <atom1> mine is similar but the dial is on the side
[13:46:03] <anonimasu> very very nice...
[13:47:27] <atom1> i use it for vise alignment etc
[13:48:02] <anonimasu> there's another one that's 0.002mm graduations
[13:48:06] <anonimasu> but it's alot more expensive
[13:48:15] <atom1> yeah that's just the first one i found
[13:49:26] <anonimasu> the mahr gauge is alot cheaper..
[13:49:27] <anonimasu> :D
[13:49:53] <atom1> get a cmm
[13:50:07] <anonimasu> no money for that
[13:50:11] <atom1> for your inspection room
[13:50:39] <anonimasu> nothing like that exists in my place
[13:50:47] <anonimasu> tell me again in 10 years :)
[13:50:59] <atom1> it won't take that long
[13:51:01] <anonimasu> a cmm cost more then a very good machine
[13:51:11] <atom1> yeah i knwo
[13:51:12] <anonimasu> and it dosent cut metal :D
[13:51:27] <atom1> my friends first one was a brown and sharp manual cmm
[13:51:28] <anonimasu> wow
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[13:51:38] <anonimasu> the good starret costs more then the mitutoyo ones
[13:52:25] <anonimasu> the millitron would be nice since it would let me calibrate screws and stuff tho limited travel
[13:52:48] <anonimasu> (make my own comp tables)
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[15:53:07] <GhstWlf> Hello, I have plans to make a laser engraver using cnc. Is there support for this in linux cnc?
[15:53:31] <atom1> no reason not
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[15:57:32] <GhstWlf> Has anyone done a laser engraver/cutter using linuxcnc that you know of?
[15:58:15] <atom1> somebody here has but it slips my head who
[15:58:25] <atom1> Jymmm maybe
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[16:06:30] <archivist> GhstWlf, both laser cutters and engraving has been done, some are in volume production use some amateur use
[16:07:24] <GhstWlf> archivist, ok, nice. I plan to try to use a DVD burner diode for my machine. slow, yes but cheap.
[16:10:22] <archivist> here is one story
http://www.andrewkilpatrick.org/?p=laser_cutter
[16:14:01] <GhstWlf> archivist, I have seen that one but haven't looked to mutch in to it since it is quite far away from what I whant to do.
[16:14:18] <GhstWlf> I think, don't really know.
[16:14:57] <archivist> basicly anything is possible, implementation is up to you
[16:15:28] <GhstWlf> Can i send a pwm signal thru the parallelport to controll the laser power?
[16:15:40] <archivist> yes
[16:15:52] <GhstWlf> nice
[16:16:48] <GhstWlf> that simplyfies alot of things.
[16:17:02] <archivist> look at the wiki, you will see there some tricks that micges does to control kerf size
[16:17:29] <GhstWlf> jargon...?
[16:17:47] <archivist> kerf = cut width
[16:17:59] <GhstWlf> ah, thank you.
[16:18:45] <Jymmm> GhstWlf: What are intending to do with a laser?
[16:18:50] <archivist> varies with speed, effected by the trajectory planner
[16:20:00] <GhstWlf> Jymmm, I plan to engrave wodden coins to make markers for different games.
[16:21:37] <Jymmm> GhstWlf: Once you got going, how many do you plan on making per week? per month?
[16:21:51] <GhstWlf> 12 a year....
[16:22:10] <Jymmm> 1 a month?
[16:22:19] <GhstWlf> Jymmm, I don't know
[16:22:36] <Jymmm> It be far cheaper to go have one made at an engraver
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[16:23:47] <GhstWlf> Jymmm, I know, but I have scavaged a multfunction printer and a dvd burner for parts. All I have to do i build the cnc macine.
[16:24:26] <Jymmm> GhstWlf: So this is pure hobby then, not production?
[16:24:35] <GhstWlf> Jymmm, exactly
[16:25:32] <Jymmm> GhstWlf: Ok, well if it's just a wood coin, you could just use a dvd burner alone and manipulate it in software
[16:25:58] <Jymmm> Kinda like LightScribe
[16:26:46] <GhstWlf> Wood not work, the coin is to thick I think and to unstable.
[16:27:22] <Jymmm> Well, with mechanical modification to the drive that is =)
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[16:27:26] <GhstWlf> http://www.slojd-detaljer.se/product.aspx?productid=4755&deptid=269 the coins I am talking about
[16:27:37] <GhstWlf> Jymmm, true
[16:30:18] <Jymmm> GhstWlf: If you plan on engraving wood, you'll need an exhaust system or you'll damage the lens.
[16:30:44] <GhstWlf> Computer fan or something similar.
[16:30:57] <Jymmm> More like a blower
[16:31:53] <GhstWlf> I think that I have the posibility to use one fan to blow and one to suck.
[16:31:59] <Jymmm> I suspect a dvd laser has a very short focal point, so you'll be like 1cm or less from the coin. So you'll have to make sure the smoke is exhausted before it rises to the lens.
[16:32:44] <GhstWlf> I think it actually have a longer focal length
[16:33:11] <Jymmm> It might, but the farther away, the less detail you'll achieve
[16:33:39] <GhstWlf> true
[16:34:33] <Jymmm> *IF* you use an air compressor, make sure that you have enough reserve air and good water/oil traps
[16:36:25] <GhstWlf> ok, I found the article describing what I try to do:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Pocket-laser-engraver/
[16:38:29] <archivist> GhstWlf, note emc does not drive through usb devices
[16:39:01] <GhstWlf> I know and plan to use parallel port
[16:39:04] <Jymmm> Heh, it looked huge... till he put his hands in there for scale =)
[16:40:47] <GhstWlf> hehe, yes
[16:42:02] <Jymmm> Does anyone recall what Andrew Kilpatrick's nic was?
[16:42:06] <Jymmm> nick
[16:42:24] <archivist> optical...something
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[16:43:00] <Jymmm> k
[16:43:09] <atom1> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Top_300_Active_User_In_Emc_Irc_Channel
[16:43:14] <atom1> top 300 list
[16:44:46] <archivist> Optic maybe
[16:47:34] <Jymmm> Ok, he hasn't been around since Nov 2010
[16:47:45] <Jymmm> unless he changed his nick
[16:47:59] <archivist> been a while I know
[16:48:44] <Jymmm> errr... Dec 2010... 2010-12-03 05:58:35 Optic: moo
[16:50:45] <Jymmm> Oh, and andrew is his friend
[16:52:33] <Jymmm> IT's hard to tell, but I think they have the cutting table that I need some hi-res photos of =(
[16:54:02] <DaViruz> wow, mach3 has no support for looping the gcode
[16:54:06] <DaViruz> whats up with that
[16:54:26] <Jymmm> DaViruz: How would you know that?
[16:55:00] <DaViruz> a friend uses mach3, and he asked me how to repeat his program with different z depths
[16:55:10] <DaViruz> i said it was simple and tried to find out how its done in mach3
[16:55:18] <Jymmm> ah
[16:55:21] <DaViruz> only to find that it pretty much can not be done
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[16:59:06] <archivist> thats probably why they have all the helper buttons to write it longhand
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[17:05:47] <Jymmm> GhstWlf: Just rememeber that even reflected laser light can damage your eyes, but enclosing it in an acrylic case is good enough for safety purposes.
[17:06:17] <anonimasu> ttp://ah.io23.net/ul/files/IMAG1168.jpg
[17:06:23] <anonimasu> scraping test :)
[17:08:01] <anonimasu> wow im in top :D
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[17:10:19] <anonimasu> mhm
[17:10:20] <anonimasu> that page is wrong
[17:10:24] <tom3p> h
[17:10:32] <anonimasu> "reflections if focused"
[17:10:43] <anonimasu> laser gets focused inside of your eye because it's coherent...
[17:11:48] <GhstWlf> Jymmm, Will remember that.
[17:12:09] <anonimasu> so what matters is.. dont get laser reflected or not into your eyes
[17:12:32] <Jymmm> anonimasu: what are you talking about?
[17:13:01] <anonimasu> the laser stuff pasted from instructables..
[17:13:42] <anonimasu> saw the scraping stuff?
[17:14:10] <Jymmm> I didn't read the page, too much of a PITA to do so. I was just telling him in general as he's planning in taking apart a dvd drive for the laser diode
[17:14:15] <anonimasu> yep :)
[17:15:09] <Jymmm> Most think that you need special optical lens glasses, for that wavelength acrylic sheet will be fine
[17:15:21] <anonimasu> ofcourse
[17:15:51] <Jymmm> anonimasu: to you "of course" to the rest of the world they dont think of it much less know.
[17:16:23] <Jymmm> Lazor bemas can keeeeeeelz uzzzzzzzzz
[17:16:43] <Jymmm> especially when mount on attack sharks
[17:17:18] <anonimasu> our manufacturing guy at school is laser crazy
[17:17:46] <Jymmm> I need to make something like this, but need the frame itself to be perfectly square and I dont have a mill, any suggestions?
http://www.chimeralighting.com/images/stories/products/MetalGrids_446x334.jpg
[17:17:53] <anonimasu> scraping?
[17:18:04] <Jymmm> brb
[17:18:05] <anonimasu> made out of solid?
[17:20:31] <tom3p> the frame in the picture looks like it could be pushed into square. maybe a solid surrounding frame and jack screws
[17:23:28] <tom3p> you want to use the light filter as a workpiece support grid? you want the grid square or the frame square?
[17:24:21] <Jymmm> frame square
[17:24:50] <Jymmm> ignore the source of the photo, just as an examlpe
[17:25:09] <anonimasu> well, hacksaw I gues could do that
[17:25:19] <Jymmm> the frame would need to be disposable
[17:25:19] <anonimasu> and U profiles of someting
[17:25:49] <Jymmm> the honeycomb would need to be epoxyied into the frame
[17:26:14] <Jymmm> anonimasu: but that doens't make it square
[17:26:47] <anonimasu> if you drill the connecting plates and join it it'll be fairly square
[17:26:59] <Jymmm> Not fairly square, square
[17:27:22] <Jymmm> the Internal edge will be used for alignment
[17:27:41] <anonimasu> I guess ream alignment pin holes
[17:27:46] <anonimasu> and make connecting plates
[17:28:06] <Jymmm> ream alignment???
[17:28:32] <anonimasu> you make a plate to align the pieces
[17:28:41] <anonimasu> make holes that make the edges very square
[17:29:03] <anonimasu> like 2 holes per side lock all execept for 1dof...
[17:30:31] <Jymmm> Ok, once I have the frame square, how to keep it square (lock it in) once removed from the plate?
[17:30:50] <tom3p> weld the corners :)
[17:31:16] <Jymmm> tom3p: you volunteering your mig/tig
[17:31:25] <tom3p> and only 3 holes 2 on long 1 on short side else over-constrained
[17:31:34] <tom3p> ok, sticky tape
[17:32:50] <anonimasu> keep the alignment plates
[17:33:04] <tom3p> if the fixture forces it square, why do you want the frame to be square when not in fixture?
[17:33:24] <Jymmm> it needs to be removable
[17:33:24] <tom3p> something untold
[17:33:36] <tom3p> ok, make it square, keep it square
[17:33:50] <Jymmm> tom3p: are you just being a smartass?
[17:34:19] <tom3p> no, something needs to constrain the corner after removal and you dont wasnt weld, what do you suggest
[17:34:50] <Jymmm> I don't, that's why I asked. I dont have a welder anyway
[17:35:02] <tom3p> some kind of triangular plate screwed in?
[17:35:47] <Jymmm> but tightening the screws could make it become unsqaure
[17:36:25] <Jymmm> or, how tdo you make a triangle that allows alignment
[17:36:31] <tom3p> might, use washer below screw heads, flat surfaces, test after tightening by remove/replace
[17:36:54] <Jymmm> That's a bit cumbersome.
[17:37:32] <tom3p> maybe epoxy the plates on?, the geometry needs to be fixed somehow after the fixture alligns it
[17:38:21] <Jymmm> teh honeycomb needs to be replaced every so often
[17:39:30] <tom3p> consider alignment before every use. making that procedure more painless.
[17:40:25] <tom3p> the inside edge needs to be square. so mount the hcomd frame against 3 dowels and push the fame into square each time
[17:40:30] <tom3p> hcomb
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[17:47:57] <tom3p> sorry Jymm, if you want the frame to conform to the fixture you'll need 4 dowels and the corners need to flex.
[17:48:09] <tom3p> bbl
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[17:52:57] <davidf> hi
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[17:54:56] <davidf> Is there some way with emc to log manual movements and generate the g-code for what you did? Like a "learn mode"?
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[17:59:29] <awallin> davidf: nope, not in standard emc2, don't know if someone has worked on some teach-in functionality but it's very custom/experimental if something exists
[18:02:10] <davidf> OK thanks.
[18:03:52] <Jymmm> couldn't you use some kind of macro or logger?
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[18:06:59] <davidf> Jymmm I don't know how to do either.
[18:07:38] <Jymmm> davidf: I didn't mean within EMC, but a keystroke logger for linux
[18:08:06] <davidf> Right, but I'm clueless on that.
[18:08:55] <anonimasu> tom3p: exactly right about the dowels
[18:08:56] <anonimasu> :)
[18:09:50] <Jymmm> davidf: Google can help there, just realize that some loggers run in stealth mode for illegal purposes and transmit to some random site on the internet.
[18:16:37] <davidf> Thanks.
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[18:23:37] <Jymmm> Steel
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100353819/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053 Aluminum
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202258087/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
[18:24:16] <Jymmm> I wonder if I could use one of those somehow. I really only need two side to be perfectly square.
[18:24:59] <Jymmm> Not sure how I would align that with the existing table rulers just yet
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[18:39:59] <anonimasu> Jymmm: picture for you in a secod
[18:40:01] <anonimasu> sec
[18:40:37] <Jymmm> If it's of you nakkid, um no thank you!
[18:41:53] <anonimasu> http://ah.io23.net/ul/files/dowel_plate.png
[18:42:04] <anonimasu> 4 of thoose and some reamed holes in the frame
[18:42:28] <anonimasu> you clamp them togther and all dof's is constrained
[18:42:43] <anonimasu> when you just clamp them to your machine or whatever and you can remove the frame off and keep alignment
[18:43:38] <Jymmm> there's no clamping involved, just gravity holds them in place
[18:43:55] <anonimasu> well, plates like that is a good option
[18:44:02] <anonimasu> you can even make them on a decent drill press.
[18:44:15] <Jymmm> Too bad my drill press sucks
[18:44:30] <anonimasu> well, you can forget perfect square
[18:44:30] <anonimasu> :S
[18:44:55] <anonimasu> you neeed reamed holes or some other kind of constraint
[18:45:07] <anonimasu> and probably you cant do it _inside_ the frame
[18:45:07] <Jymmm> I think we're making this far more complex that it needs to be.
[18:45:33] <anonimasu> you said perfect square :D
[18:46:18] <Jymmm> 1) the HC (honeycomb) needs to be taunt on all four sides and periodically disposed of and replaced.
[18:46:54] <anonimasu> well, for this you unscrew the clamp plates pull the whole thing apart
[18:47:47] <Jymmm> 2) I need to have a guide edge on two side (aligned to the top-left corner) that overlapped and flush with the top of the HC.
[18:48:28] <Jymmm> 3) This guide edge has to align with the existing rulers already in the machine.
[18:49:17] <anonimasu> next question how square is perfectly square for you?
[18:49:35] <anonimasu> +/- 0.01mm? that's pretty much not square
[18:49:47] <Jymmm> 4) I need the bottom of the HC raised up above the table by at least 2"
[18:50:28] <Jymmm> (self suspended so no drooping in the middle)
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[18:51:00] <Jymmm> anonimasu: Did you see the carpentener square links?
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[18:51:23] <anonimasu> yes
[18:51:30] <anonimasu> I dont know what you would do with them
[18:51:51] <Jymmm> I'm thinking those might be "square enough", but won't know till I looked at one as I suspect they're punched out
[18:52:20] <anonimasu> they are square, but not _square_ if we talk about precision
[18:52:39] <anonimasu> well, 4 aluminium mounts on the side and something like mite bites...
[18:52:41] <anonimasu> 4 of them..
[18:53:09] <anonimasu> err mitee bites
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[18:53:42] <Jymmm> If I could find a way to sandwich clamp the HC taunt (instead of epoxying), that would resolve a lot of grief.
[18:54:41] <Jymmm> the HC itself doens't have to be square, just what I lay on top of it does.
[18:55:48] <anonimasu> it dosent seem to be very heavy if you have a cnc to make a fixture on
[18:57:34] <ds3> ~
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[20:20:38] <Jymmm> ds3: why do you keep doing that?
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[22:49:08] <robin_sz> morning girls
[22:58:09] <archivist> allo allo
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[23:04:40] <Eik0> :)
[23:16:16] <atom1> JT-Shop just 15?
[23:16:30] <atom1> the part i hate most is mud and taping
[23:18:06] <JT-Shop> yea, just 15... 5 12', 5 10', and 5 8'
[23:18:37] <JT-Shop> heh I'm picky cause I have to tape and mud the dang thing
[23:20:06] <JT-Shop> oh and that includes insulation after each pair of rows
[23:20:31] <atom1> lotsa outlets to rough in too
[23:20:51] <JT-Shop> it's the ceiling so only 6 up there
[23:21:26] <JT-Shop> I'm doing the walls in OSB
[23:21:38] <JT-Shop> so even worse to make all the cutouts
[23:23:03] <JT-Shop> did you see the electrical photos?
[23:25:26] <atom1> don't recall seeing one
[23:25:37] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/machine-shop.xhtml
[23:27:40] <atom1> 4..8 electrical not loading
[23:28:29] <JT-Shop> hmm try and refresh it loads for me
[23:28:36] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/machine-shop.xhtml
[23:28:51] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/electrical/electrical.xhtml
[23:29:01] <JT-Shop> finally got it right
[23:29:29] <atom1> nope
[23:29:41] <JT-Shop> hmmm
[23:29:54] <JT-Shop> this one?
http://gnipsel.com/shop/electrical/electrical-01.xhtml
[23:30:14] <atom1> 1..3 load fine
[23:30:36] <atom1> Page Not Found
[23:30:37] <atom1> The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Please try the following:
[23:30:38] <JT-Shop> oh 4-8 nothing there yet
[23:30:58] <JT-Shop> that's why there is no preview
[23:31:24] <atom1> well thar's the problem
[23:31:32] <JT-Shop> yep
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[23:32:07] <atom1> looking over some pendants today. seems there are multiple ways to hook them up
[23:32:27] <JT-Shop> hows that?
[23:33:01] <atom1> just looking a couple different examples
[23:33:33] <atom1> the game controller from the wiki and another on there
[23:34:33] <atom1> looks like one guy wired all the switches etc separate thru a parport cable
[23:34:47] <JT-Shop> ah, yea I use the game pad on my plasma as accuracy is not needed
[23:35:15] <JT-Shop> I just jog to the start point and press the "Fire in the Hole" button
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[23:36:00] <atom1> does emc handle the resolution or does the pendant need to do that?
[23:36:05] <atom1> ie the mpg
[23:36:24] <JT-Shop> you mean like the jog increments?
[23:36:33] <atom1> yes
[23:36:42] <atom1> .1 .01 .001
[23:36:43] <JT-Shop> like one click is 0.0001 or 0.001
[23:36:50] <JT-Shop> you do that in hal
[23:37:08] <atom1> so the input stays the same but is based on a switch selection
[23:37:11] <JT-Shop> I have a mpg on my hardinge with a selector switch for increments
[23:37:16] <JT-Shop> yes
[23:37:33] <atom1> and whatever the switch says is how it gets interpreted
[23:37:43] <atom1> that makes it easier
[23:37:56] <JT-Shop> as I recall the switch sets the scale
[23:38:18] <atom1> so it seems there is no 'one' way to do it
[23:38:26] <atom1> although they would be similar
[23:38:42] <JT-Shop> no, it is a lot to do with what you want and personal preferenc
[23:38:56] <JT-Shop> they all end up doing the same thing sometimes
[23:39:17] <atom1> well i'm just looking and learning. i know nothing about hal or emc yet
[23:39:45] <atom1> and how to set it up on a mesa card etc
[23:39:55] <JT-Shop> you got a machine your converting?
[23:40:14] <atom1> i got the sherline but no cards etc yet
[23:40:29] <atom1> it's just something for me to play with
[23:40:32] <JT-Shop> it's cnc now?
[23:40:36] <atom1> yes
[23:40:57] <JT-Shop> don't they come with a dated version of EMC
[23:41:20] <atom1> not that i'm aware of
[23:41:28] <atom1> mine is probably 20 or more yrs old
[23:41:33] <atom1> before usb
[23:41:39] <JT-Shop> what control does it have?
[23:41:44] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/intel_atom/sherline2.jpg
[23:41:47] <atom1> flashcut
[23:42:01] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/intel_atom/sherline3.jpg
[23:42:09] <JT-Shop> ah really old :)
[23:42:13] <atom1> yep
[23:42:26] <atom1> i just updated the steppers
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[23:42:31] <JT-Shop> cool enclosure
[23:42:47] <atom1> it's just plywood
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[23:43:23] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/sherline_files/sherline1.jpg
[23:43:43] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/sherline_files/sherline2.jpg
[23:43:49] <atom1> that's with the old steppers
[23:44:11] <atom1> crappy pics too
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[23:45:58] <atom1> is hal just a bunch of config files?
[23:46:03] <atom1> no compiling to it..
[23:51:06] <JT-Shop> yea, it's pretty simple once you get started
[23:51:24] <JT-Shop> do your drivers just take step and direction?
[23:51:51] <atom1> well the current ones do but i'm also looking to update those too at some point
[23:51:57] <atom1> probably those gecko drivers
[23:52:03] <atom1> one or the other
[23:52:13] <atom1> 201 or whatever the other one was
[23:52:20] <JT-Shop> 203v
[23:52:24] <atom1> yeah
[23:52:32] <JT-Shop> but don't know if you need that for a sherline
[23:52:40] <atom1> probably not
[23:52:53] <atom1> but leaves room for expansion
[23:53:02] <JT-Shop> I needed 500IPM for my plasma so the 203v was a given for me
[23:53:06] <atom1> without getting em all again
[23:54:04] <atom1> it's a hobby thing now so it'll take some time to get it all rounded up
[23:54:41] <JT-Shop> you could grab a hard drive up and start with EMC
[23:54:53] <atom1> that's what this pc is for
[23:55:08] <atom1> i started by building up this thing
[23:55:23] <atom1> i have emc on the ssd but not running right now
[23:57:06] * JT-Shop hears the dinner bell ringing past Hey You by Pink Floyd
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