#emc | Logs for 2011-04-11

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[00:00:29] <jdhNC> uhm... linux and cnc, what are the oddsS?
[00:00:42] <Gensor> heheheh just thought I would ask
[00:01:53] <Gensor> I see a kim and a fox_mulder.... they both had me thinking there for a little bit
[00:02:00] <JT-Shop> more women went to the moon than hang here
[00:03:04] <JT-Shop> jyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyym!
[00:03:35] <Jymmm> ?
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[00:04:19] <JT-Shop> where are the women?
[00:05:00] <JT-Shop> were you napping Jymmm ?
[00:05:15] <Jymmm> OTP
[00:05:57] <JT-Shop> speaking of that did you get your doggy tags figured out?
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[00:11:06] <JT-Shop> ... party hats with the colored tips... welcome to the house of fun...
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[00:11:24] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[00:13:45] <Gensor> jt - you are a programmer?
[00:14:19] <JT-Shop> engineer mostly
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[00:14:29] <Gensor> what kind of igener
[00:14:55] <JT-Shop> I design and build automation equipment for assembly lines and things like that
[00:15:29] <Gensor> what kind of assembly lines.... was that your web site earlier i saw?
[00:16:07] <JT-Shop> I do work for Briggs & Stratton, Gates and some plastic injection molding companies
[00:16:18] <JT-Shop> my web site is gnipsel.com
[00:16:35] <JT-Shop> time for me to wander in and check on chow
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[00:16:58] <Gensor> awsome! so that differential equations, integrations, heat transfer paid off
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[00:24:31] <Gensor> jt?
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[02:10:57] <Valen> Gensor: wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?JakeAndRussells
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[02:11:39] <JCSpresser> Hello everyone
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[02:13:02] <JCSpresser> anybody use Bob-Cad?
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[03:02:38] <unaHm> hmm - pycam is REALLY slow! i can leave it generating toolpaths for 3 days, and it's filled up my swap space and pretty much ground to a halt
[03:03:25] <unaHm> has anyone in here had any success with it, and fairly complex (apparently) 3d models?
[03:10:53] <ds3> anyone know how faster a PIII-500 is over a K6-3 500MHz for EMC purposes? (yes, they are antique systems)
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[03:20:47] <Valen> dunno about for EMC but going on my antique computer knowledge I'd guess ~20%
[03:21:39] <ds3> Hmmm
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[03:22:46] <Valen> why using them?
[03:22:52] <ds3> cuz I have them around
[03:23:01] <ds3> and brand new systems tend not to have parallel ports
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[03:23:09] <Valen> dual core atoms ftw
[03:23:17] <ds3> with parallel ports?
[03:23:21] <Valen> yeah
[03:23:34] <Valen> ~$100 for mbo + cpu, add ram and hdd and your done
[03:23:41] <ds3> Hmmmm, but it is more $$ to invest given that I need new RAM vs having it already
[03:23:42] <Valen> ~4000 latency
[03:23:54] <ds3> what does 4000 latency translate to for rapids ?
[03:24:01] <Valen> I think a stick of DDR2 is like $20 these days lol
[03:24:07] <Valen> nfi, I use it for servo stuff
[03:24:19] <ds3> the K6-3 is functional, it just could use faster rapids
[03:24:24] <ds3> I see.
[03:24:28] <Valen> well whats its rapid speed?
[03:24:43] <Valen> the speed is governed by lots of stuff, you want to know about step rate
[03:24:45] <ds3> seems to be about 15-18 IPM
[03:25:02] <Valen> do you know what is limiting you to that?
[03:25:13] <ds3> step rate
[03:25:28] <ds3> hence the belief a faster processor could give me better rapids
[03:25:32] <Valen> whats the latency on that machine and is it causing the issue
[03:25:43] <Valen> faster CPU doesn't mean better latency
[03:25:49] <ds3> I think it was about 15000 or so if I remember my stepconf output
[03:26:14] <ds3> why would latency matter for steppers?
[03:26:24] <Valen> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test
[03:26:46] <Valen> it sets the maximum speed EMC can do a task, like say toggle the step pin
[03:27:07] <Valen> "So, what do the results mean? If your "Max Jitter" number is less than about 15-20 microseconds (15000-20000 nanoseconds), the computer should give very nice results with software stepping. If the Max Jitter is more like 30-50 microseconds, you can still get good results, but your maximum step rate might be a little disappointing, especially if you use microstepping or have very fine pitch leadscrews. If the numbers are 100 uS or m
[03:27:42] <ds3> I see.
[03:27:57] <Valen> but 15,000 isnt that bad
[03:28:04] <ds3> I think stepconf does a latency test to get recommended limits so I think the 15000 range is valid
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[03:28:30] <ds3> so, CPU is my immediate suspect but if that is what it is, 20% faster isn't going to get me 30IPM
[03:28:35] <Valen> if you want to go faster than that your going to need something else to generate the steps like mesa hardware
[03:28:43] <Valen> CPU matters little for this
[03:28:54] <ds3> oh
[03:29:10] <ds3> can I prove that by dropping in a PIII? (I have it lying around anyways)
[03:29:14] <Valen> once its fast enough to do everything for each "cycle"
[03:29:27] <Valen> you have little to loose it seems
[03:29:46] <ds3> 'k
[03:30:21] <Valen> but if you want drastically higher step rates you can get mesa products for not outrageous sums
[03:31:30] <ds3> does that work with hw that expects parallel port signals?
[03:31:39] <Valen> i believe so
[03:32:09] <Valen> do you have microstepping or anything like that happening?
[03:32:31] <Valen> have you also looked through http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?TweakingSoftwareStepGeneration
[03:33:40] <Valen> see if you can tweak your peramerters somewhat
[03:33:48] <ds3> no microstepping, AFAIK
[03:34:25] <ds3> I can go through that
[03:35:02] <Valen> it'll give you more of an understanding of whats going on
[03:35:24] <Valen> and whats limiting you
[03:35:43] <Valen> if its your stepper drivers, mucking with the computer isn't going to change much ;->
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[03:37:57] <atom1> my D525 was ~300 with 4G ram and a 320G hdd and a few extras
[03:38:04] <atom1> case etc
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[03:39:40] <atom1> parport out the back as well
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[16:54:48] <Connor> So, Looking at building myself a pendant.. Wondering what you all think about keypad's vs rotary switches for function selects etc.
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[17:16:07] <pcw_home> Key pads need more feedback (LEDs/text display etc)
[17:16:28] <Connor> I'm going to have a LCD on it.
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[17:18:07] <Connor> So far.. I'm thinking Rotary Switch for Axis (XYZA) + FRO + SRO + Menu
[17:18:23] <Connor> 2nd Rotary switch for Jog Multiplier
[17:18:34] <Connor> start/stop/pause/estop
[17:18:48] <Connor> 4 softbuttons
[17:18:57] <tom3p> only single axis jogging with rotary, posiible multi axis with buttons
[17:19:12] <atom1> Connor got a design layed out?
[17:19:19] <atom1> i'm interested in one as well
[17:19:23] <Connor> atom1: not yet.
[17:19:46] <Connor> Looking at this one http://www.franksworkshop.com.au/CNC/LathePendant/LathePendant.htm and this one http://ckcnc.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/we-have-a-winner/
[17:20:10] <mk0> some son of a bitch made an explosion in metro in minsk. 7 dead, >50 injured
[17:20:36] <Connor> tom3p: Yea, I'm using a game pad right now with thumb stick right now, can jog x and y at same time.. not sure what to do about that..
[17:21:03] <Connor> mk0: Oh good greif.. WTF is going on with the world...
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[17:23:13] <Connor> I'll probably have to use a resistor ladder for the soft buttons and the start/stop/pause
[17:23:45] <atom1> i wonder where he got the handwheel
[17:24:07] <Connor> I asked the guy who has built the one with the color LCD..
[17:24:37] <atom1> color graphic lcd's take a bit of hp to use
[17:24:58] <atom1> so if you used a decent avr for it, you could have plenty of pins left for button io
[17:25:24] <atom1> you can get an OLED for about $20
[17:25:32] <atom1> 4bit grey scale
[17:25:43] <Connor> I've got a 4x20 I can use.. and got a 128x64 mono too.
[17:25:47] <atom1> they're small though
[17:26:01] <atom1> i've got 4 4x20 and several others
[17:26:16] <IchGuckLive> 4x20 wont fit in this case
[17:26:19] <Connor> I have a I2C breakout, and also made a AVR Backpack as well that works on I2C or Serial as well.
[17:26:45] <atom1> then this big honkin thing: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/lcd_txt.jpg
[17:26:52] <IchGuckLive> usb is better for the python com to the Hal
[17:27:27] <Connor> Vs using the USB as serial ?
[17:27:54] <Connor> whois IchGuckLive
[17:28:14] <Connor> Opps.
[17:28:16] <IchGuckLive> sorry this is above my nolyge base
[17:28:48] <slime2k> whats about modbus?
[17:28:55] <slime2k> modbus over ip
[17:28:57] <slime2k> :D
[17:29:08] <Connor> Umm.. I'm going to keep it simple.
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[17:29:32] <slime2k> modbus over ip is implemented in ethersex
[17:29:37] <slime2k> www.ethersex.org
[17:29:42] <slime2k> on avr
[17:29:46] <Connor> as for the 4x20 not fitting in that case.. I'm not sure if he was talking about the display part, or the whole board..
[17:30:26] <IchGuckLive> the board standart is 5mm wither then the case
[17:30:55] <IchGuckLive> this looks very good with the nenues around on this color LCD
[17:36:03] <Connor> Yea, I like the looks of the Color LCD, but, that's a bit overkill for what I'm doing I think.. and would take more CPU..
[17:36:51] <MattyMatt> http://www.ethersex.de/
[17:37:03] * MattyMatt couldn't help clicking ethersex.org
[17:38:33] <MattyMatt> how is feedrate interpreted in a G1 that involves both linear and rotary axes?
[17:40:41] <atom1> some of the OLEDs have spi interface
[17:41:08] <MattyMatt> atom1, I've got some mechanical handwheels. they're very cheap but they lose steps at high speed
[17:41:40] <atom1> i forget who posted those programmable encoders here but those might work
[17:42:30] <MattyMatt> like these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10pcs-12mm-Rotary-Encoder-Switch-Keyswitch-NEW-/350453830933
[17:43:15] <MattyMatt> for menu selection they're fine, but they'd make crappy jogwheels
[17:44:31] <MattyMatt> they do a complete quadrature cycle per indent, so they are 80 ppr in effect
[17:46:03] <atom1> http://www.fenchurch.org/priv_cgi-bin/ids/index.cgi?mode=image&album=/Computing/%23001_RobotStuff/RobotBits&image=OLED_Display.jpg
[17:46:10] <atom1> that one is about 20 bucks
[17:46:30] <atom1> 4bit grey scale
[17:46:35] <atom1> spi interface
[17:46:38] <skunkworks> I think I am going to have to get temperature compensation setup on the k&t spindle. At 2500 rpm - the spidle gets pretty warm. a good .003 from cool to hot if not more.
[17:47:14] <atom1> and the code is written for it
[17:47:16] <atom1> :D
[17:48:21] <cradek> .003 in length?
[17:48:39] <skunkworks> yes
[17:48:51] <cradek> seems surprising. is there something wrong with it?
[17:49:05] <skunkworks> the old control had some sort of mechenism for it. (it had a temp sensor in the spindle.
[17:49:16] <cradek> oh really, wow
[17:49:30] <cradek> sensor still there?
[17:49:44] <skunkworks> yes - but I don't know what it is. have to look
[17:49:50] <skunkworks> varistor maybe
[17:50:12] <skunkworks> (remember 60s' vintage)
[17:50:36] <skunkworks> I figured something in hal that would offset z a bit as the temp rises
[17:50:49] <cradek> sounds easy enough
[17:51:35] <atom1> http://www.hammondmfg.com/dwg7.htm
[17:51:37] <atom1> enclosure
[17:51:43] <atom1> they give samples btw
[17:51:51] <Connor> I like the other one..
[17:51:55] <Connor> that one is bigger though.
[17:55:20] <cradek> also, maybe you could do something smart if it gets TOO hot
[17:55:47] <IchGuckLive> atom1: this i use with my adruino
[17:56:53] <atom1> http://www.hammondmfg.com/1553colors.htm
[17:57:20] <MattyMatt> this is the nicest mono screen I've seen recently http://cgi.ebay.com/4-320x240-Graphic-LCD-Touch-S1D13700-PIC-AVR-Arduino-/300506771839
[17:57:23] <atom1> i've got a couple similar to those
[17:58:36] <atom1> http://www.hammondmfg.com/R270.htm
[17:59:43] <MattyMatt> nice case for a pendant
[18:01:12] <IchGuckLive> http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/MTg2OTc4OTk-/Bauelemente_Bauteile/Aktive_Bauelemente/Displays/LCD_Modul_SHARP_LM038QB1R10.html
[18:01:36] <IchGuckLive> its 7Euros in germany this week the LCD 320x240
[18:06:24] <MattyMatt> yow!
[18:07:20] <cpresser> now i also need to build a pendant :)
[18:09:51] <skunkworks> cradek: sure. The spindle bearings are probably about 10 inches in diameter. we are running it a bit above rated (it topped out at 2400 and I have been running it a lot at 2500. - (we acutally can run it up to 3000 - seemed like a good round number)
[18:10:42] <atom1> sounds like a good group project
[18:11:43] <Connor> Well, I'm willing to lay it all out and send off and get some PCB's made.. but, we need to settle on a case/jog wheel & display
[18:13:40] <Connor> so, that brings me back to original design questions, rotary vs keypad for Axis and multiplier..
[18:13:51] <Connor> I'm leaning toward rotary myself.
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[18:15:10] <IchGuckLive> a shop shoudt provide a simple version of a pedant around the world shipment
[18:15:14] <cradek> Connor: whichever you can run better by touch
[18:15:36] <IchGuckLive> by its late here
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[18:15:51] <tom3p> skunkworks, the old moore & hauser jig grinders had heaters in spindle and casting. the frame got stabile at a temp, so instead of compensating, you fired up machine & waited 1hr before use :)
[18:15:53] <skunkworks> I like my rotorys
[18:18:51] <Connor> I'm liking rotary too.
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[18:33:58] <MattyMatt> I was thinking buttons under the lefthand fingers or thumb, but that would make the whole pendant handed
[18:34:32] <skunkworks> I was using a 1/4 inch mill to make a 1/2 inch hole for a bearing... I am in awe of the machine. I measured the hole - it was .002 under - adjusted the program and make the hole .002 smaller and it measured as such.
[18:34:46] <skunkworks> *.002 bigger
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[19:09:29] <JT-Shop> skunkworks: neat!
[19:12:56] <skunkworks> :)
[19:17:39] <Jymmm> skunkworks: What machine?
[19:18:13] <skunkworks> the big k&t
[19:18:19] <skunkworks> extra large k&t
[19:18:40] <JT-Shop> the GIANORMUS K&T
[19:18:46] <skunkworks> the substantial k&t
[19:20:27] <Jymmm> You mean that panduit-less thing you have? with wires going everywhere lookin like the unverse monster from the comcast commercials?
[19:20:51] <Jymmm> u-verse
[19:21:19] <skunkworks> yes - and suprisingly it works
[19:21:25] <skunkworks> :)
[19:21:56] <Jymmm> Cool
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[19:24:34] <Jymmm> skunkworks: 1/4" mill with a 4" shank, DIAMETER, not length ;)
[19:27:37] <skunkworks> I have not broke a mill yet either and have been doing a lot of 1 off things
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[19:28:03] <skunkworks> maxiumum velocity control really helps - thanks who ever added that!
[19:28:06] <skunkworks> cradek?
[19:31:57] <cradek> the one and only
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[19:32:17] <Jymmm> Instead of USB thumbsticks, I've standardized on using MicroSD cards and when needed, a MicroSD to USB adapter. I just got a couple of these adapters in, and I'm somewhat impressed with them. The card fits snug, there is a blue LED that lights up when idle (a good thing to help remind you to grab it when done), and blinks when in operation. It's durable plastic, not cheap feeling, very low profile like if you wanted to toss a couple of movies on
[19:32:17] <Jymmm> it to watch on your tablet/netbook without worrying if you're going to bump it and break it off. Reads a 16GB card very fast - was able to watch a 5MB video and FF/REW seamlessly. http://www.dealextreme.com/p/kawau-world-s-smallest-microsd-transflash-tf-sd-sdhc-usb-2-0-card-reader-keychain-25558
[19:32:21] <skunkworks> cradek: mv control is awesome.
[19:32:53] <cradek> thanks, I love it too
[19:33:18] <cradek> prevents many disasters (mv on wheel)
[19:33:23] <cradek> bbl
[19:33:32] <skunkworks> yes
[19:33:50] <skunkworks> only way to go
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[19:42:58] <atom1> i'm in awe of ppl that doubt their ability when something actually works out
[19:43:34] <Jymmm> atom1: Why's that?
[19:44:13] <atom1> it's like they didn't expect it to work
[19:46:58] <Jymmm> It's usualy the case that I will tik things out, try to cover all the bases, and it'll toss in a monkey wrench that nobody would have expected =(
[19:47:11] <skunkworks> well - on this machine there was a lot of crap that has to work together :)
[19:47:22] <Jymmm> It's usually the case that I will think things out, try to cover all the bases, and it'll toss in a monkey wrench that nobody would have expected =(
[19:47:52] <atom1> you keep repeating yourself
[19:48:09] <Jymmm> typoless
[19:48:25] <atom1> i'm so used to irc i never would have noticed :)
[19:48:36] <Jymmm> Ah, you speak typo!
[19:48:53] <atom1> a guy in avr spells phonetically
[19:48:57] <atom1> it's quite irritating
[19:49:06] <Jymmm> Man, I like this new knife!
[19:49:09] * cpresser is also capable of broken english; the international language of science
[19:49:38] <atom1> Jymmm stop playing with it or you'll cut your finger off
[19:49:49] <Jymmm> If you can't tell, My DX order arrived today =)
[19:49:57] <atom1> o
[19:50:08] <atom1> that's usually a 4-6 week wait for me
[19:50:40] <Jymmm> It is a tad on the smallish side, but it's really not bad at all... http://www.dealextreme.com/p/designer-steel-tool-knife-7606
[19:50:44] <atom1> make sure it's lead free and non radioactive
[19:51:31] <Jymmm> Never had a neck knife before either, will have to see what that's like later on.
[19:52:35] <Jymmm> I didn't get this one, but if you like all black and a beveled tip blade instead of a curved tip one... http://www.dealextreme.com/p/designer-steel-tool-knife-7607
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[19:54:31] <Jymmm> atom1: Yeah, same 4+week wait here too
[19:55:17] <Jymmm> atom1: no, I lied. They shipped on 3/31, so 11 days via registered mail
[19:55:41] <atom1> it all depends on hong kong post
[19:55:49] <atom1> sometimes they hold stuff and sometimes they don't
[19:56:08] <atom1> it's a major mail hub over there because it's cheap
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[20:17:33] <TekniQue> 18:01:13 < IchGuckLive> http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/MTg2OTc4OTk-/Bauelemente_Bauteile/Aktive_Bauelemente/Displays/LCD_Modul_SHARP_LM038QB1R10.html
[20:17:37] <TekniQue> good price
[20:17:56] <TekniQue> too bad that site doesn't take credit cards!
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[20:20:29] <aggrav8d> Oh wow. the guys who make my CNC screwed up a part and sent a replacement. with a COD. to the wrong address. and the part still had mistakes.
[20:20:48] <bill20r3> the people who get that will be pissed, and confused.
[20:24:30] <andypugh> Is the wrong address nearby?
[20:29:19] <Jymmm> aggrav8d: who made it?
[20:32:35] <andypugh> Jymmm: It's a Blacktoe IIRC
[20:33:19] <Jymmm> andypugh: ty
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[20:53:02] <andypugh> http://www.theo-theo.com/product/33/messograf/
[20:54:19] <fragalot> aggrav8d: Whoops!
[20:54:30] <fragalot> I found yet more play in my machine :< can't even drill holes right
[20:54:38] <fragalot> 3mm drill makes 3.5mm holes
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[20:55:07] <Jymmm> fragalot: sorry to hear that
[20:55:16] <fragalot> I think the play is in the bearings of the Z axis but 'im not really sure, need a dial of sorts...
[20:55:27] <fragalot> Jymmm: yeah :<
[20:55:57] <fragalot> it's OK for engraving because of the weight of the spindle but can't mill anything with it
[20:56:06] <fragalot> or drill properly for that matter
[20:57:30] <andypugh> I need one M5 x 12mm socket screw. I think I am going to end up buying a box of 50 25mm ones and shortening, as it is cheaper than a box of 100 of the correct length.
[20:58:09] <Jymmm> andypugh: Just make sure you place a nut or two in it first before cutting =)
[20:58:28] <fragalot> andypugh: probably due to the 50 vs 100
[20:58:35] <Jymmm> to clean up the threads just in case
[20:58:56] <andypugh> I have made a split, threaded fixture for holding M3 M4 and M5 in my vice when shortening them. Not that I do it a lot, you understand.
[20:59:18] <fragalot> lol
[20:59:34] <fragalot> I do it the hacky way with an angle grinder.. Always worked fine without messing up the thread sofar
[20:59:47] <JT-Shop> I just cut them off with a 4 1/2 grinder with a 1/8" blade by hand
[21:00:00] <JT-Shop> then twirl the end on the flap wheel
[21:00:29] * fragalot even skips that step
[21:00:30] <fragalot> :P
[21:00:31] <andypugh> I tend to use a hacksaw. Sometimes I manage not to slice the side of my hand open on the sharp end on the final stroke.
[21:01:15] <fragalot> in 90% of the cases simply cutting with an angle grinder works fine without damaging the thread (note that all threads I cut to length are to be inserted once)
[21:01:30] <fragalot> bevelling the edge is just a waste of time then :3
[21:02:07] <andypugh> I saw, file then bevel (with the file). But then I am a craftsman, not a bodger like you guys :-)
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[21:03:25] <fragalot> hehe
[21:04:02] <fragalot> for clean finishes I bevel it on the belt sander & go over the threads with a thread cutter dealio ring (forgot the english name)
[21:04:08] <JT-Shop> but I get the screw cut in less than one day... if I was making a screw for archivist then I would use the cut and file methog
[21:04:11] <JT-Shop> method
[21:04:19] <fragalot> but I rarely cut thread to length anyway :P
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[21:05:02] <andypugh> I actually rather like working with hand tools. I will generally pick up a hacksaw rather than bother getting out the angle grinder. It isn't like it takes longer. (unless it is a 50mm thread)
[21:05:27] <fragalot> meh angle grinder is nearly always on the workbench anyway here
[21:06:30] <andypugh> I spent this evening filing a slot and making a keeper plate to hold the Z pulley on my mill. I couldn't be bothered figuring out the wokholding, so did it all with saws and files.
[21:08:57] <fragalot> I spent the evening making this: http://ompldr.org/vODd6bQ/derp.jpg
[21:09:03] <fragalot> yes. it took a whole evening on my machine >.>
[21:09:17] <fragalot> 2 evenings, infact..
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[21:10:29] <fragalot> and w/ the massive play on the Z axis I still don't think it's good :/
[21:14:27] <aggrav8d> fragalot - what do you mean when you say play on the z axis? vertical movement wouldn't change 3mm holes into 3.5mm holes.
[21:14:35] <aggrav8d> it might make holes that aren't deep enough.
[21:15:55] <fragalot> aggrav8d: with play on the Z axis I mean play on the bearings for the Z axis
[21:16:08] <fragalot> letting it wobble along the X and a little bit along the Y
[21:22:59] <aggrav8d> ah. whoops.
[21:23:05] <aggrav8d> what kind of machine?
[21:23:09] <aggrav8d> i mean, what brand?
[21:24:12] <aggrav8d> fragalot - if it worked, then it was worth the time.
[21:24:29] <aggrav8d> things will get faster (re: your 2-derp piece)
[21:25:10] <fragalot> aggrav8d: sable cnc 2015
[21:25:51] <fragalot> There is 150um bow on the table along the X axis, there's play on the Z axis bearings, but other than that it runs pretty smooth
[21:29:31] <fragalot> aggrav8d: http://ompldr.org/vN3dwaw <=
[21:29:47] <fragalot> before I replaced the vise with the "derp"
[21:32:52] <Jymmm> fragalot: If you are going to bundle files, could you place them in a folder? also use zip instead of rar as it's more universal
[21:33:42] <fragalot> Jymmm: that's an older archive - but yeah..
[21:34:07] <fragalot> I generally right click & do "extract to Foldername/" so never really bothered w/ the folder thing :P
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[21:35:27] <Jymmm> k
[21:36:08] <Jymmm> fragalot: Not everyone has right-click extract to folder =)
[21:36:18] <Jymmm> I hate RAR
[21:36:37] <fragalot> if you don't have that ydiw :3
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[21:36:45] <Jymmm> ?
[21:36:52] <fragalot> "You're Doing It Wrong"
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[21:37:54] <Jymmm> Bullshit, RAR is licensed anyway. Zip is far more universal, and if you need to compress something THAT much, get a parrot!
[21:38:18] <fragalot> tbf I generally use .tar.bz2 or gz anyway >.>
[21:38:44] * fragalot licks Jymmm and flails his arms wildly
[21:39:27] * Jymmm kicks fragalot in his RAR nuts! Lick me again and see what happens in the next exciting episode!
[21:39:37] <fragalot> xD
[21:40:21] <Valen> I have used RAR in the past for compressing gigabyte sized text files
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[21:40:42] <Valen> worked better than all the others unfortunatly
[21:40:53] <Valen> bzip2 was the next closest
[21:41:12] <fragalot> wtf were you doing with text files that large
[21:41:20] <Valen> (and the ability to use pbzip2 made it worthwhile to use that when we got some more data)
[21:41:26] <Valen> call detail reccords
[21:41:29] <DaViruz> password lists? ;)
[21:41:47] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: toss me a lime, I'm almost out
[21:41:49] <fragalot> why not split them up in smaller files sorted by date/time/whateveryouprefer ?
[21:41:51] <Valen> think everybody's phone calls for a month for a modest telco
[21:42:02] <Valen> that was one months data, it was a convineant size
[21:42:43] <fragalot> That said, why flat text and not a database of sorts (easier for future parsing i'd imagine)
[21:43:03] <Valen> that was the output of the system
[21:43:08] <Valen> it was then put into a database
[21:43:11] <fragalot> Qh.
[21:43:15] <fragalot> Ah.
[21:43:17] <Valen> but it needed to get out of the system first
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[21:50:51] * fragalot sends Jymmm a rar file containing the answer to the universe
[21:50:54] <fragalot> gnite all
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[21:53:22] <elmo40> fragalot: why send a rar file? I will post it here
[21:53:23] <elmo40> 42
[21:53:57] <fragalot> elmo40: read up for the reason of the .rar
[21:53:58] <fragalot> :P
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[21:56:36] <aggrav8d> winrar is free.
[21:59:29] <elmo40> *shareware
[21:59:32] <elmo40> not 'free'
[22:01:23] <elmo40> 7zip is the way to go on windows... http://www.7-zip.org/
[22:01:56] <elmo40> it does them all. plus it is open source :)
[22:07:28] <Valen> there is unrar for linux ;-P
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[22:10:57] <Jymmm> But zip is on all platforms by default
[22:11:16] <Jymmm> dos/win/mac/nix
[22:18:33] <TekniQue> zip is even built into the Windows shell for the past 10 years
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[22:36:31] <jsr__> The archive of EMC discussions quits at Feb 11 of this year. I feel like the college student who came home for Christmas, and his parents had moved.
[22:37:02] <jsr__> Is this a technical issue, or has the archives been abandoned?
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[22:40:20] <JT-Shop> seems to be a bit of a technical issue but there are other logs
[22:41:22] * JT-Shop can't remember how to make psha's or mah's logs appear though
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[22:52:34] <Jymmm> logger
[22:52:45] <Jymmm> !logger
[22:53:18] <Jymmm> dumb bots
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[22:55:29] <andypugh> logger_psha
[22:55:34] <andypugh> No, ne neither
[22:56:53] <Connor> logger[psha]
[22:57:19] <Jymmm> logger[mah]:
[22:57:19] <logger[mah]> Jymmm: Log stored at http://emc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23emc/2011-04-11.html
[22:57:26] <Jymmm> oh wtf, JT-Shop
[22:57:39] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Just type: log<tab><enter>
[22:57:49] <jsr__> Thanks.
[22:58:01] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: and I'm bitching at the loggers, not at you btw
[22:58:08] <Jymmm> jsr__: yw
[23:01:22] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: if you bitch at me you leave someone else alone :)
[23:01:50] <JT-Shop> logger[
[23:01:52] <JT-Shop> didn't work
[23:02:07] <JT-Shop> logger[psha]:
[23:02:13] <JT-Shop> ha that worked
[23:02:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Just type: log<tab><enter>
[23:02:39] <JT-Shop> I did and it didn't work
[23:02:40] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: or: log<tab><tab><enter>
[23:02:56] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: oh you must not being using a real irc client
[23:04:16] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Oh and if I bitch at you, I'll be an equal opportunity Bitcher to all!
[23:05:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Hey, I just got some pet tag samples in that are not flat. How do you deal with uneven pieces when automating?
[23:05:48] <JT-Shop> we bitch at the supplier
[23:05:52] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: their bent/bowed from the press bunch
[23:06:03] <Jymmm> really?
[23:06:16] <JT-Shop> well we don't but our customer will
[23:06:34] <Jymmm> so you just eject them? or do they jam things?
[23:06:52] <JT-Shop> depends on the part and if it is in spec or not
[23:07:20] <JT-Shop> if it is in spec then we have to make the machine accommodate the spec
[23:07:28] <Jymmm> no, I mean in respet to a robot moving them
[23:07:33] <Jymmm> respect
[23:08:16] <JT-Shop> a robot or pick in place could have end effectors that center up the part if needed
[23:08:26] <JT-Shop> when it is picked
[23:09:21] <Jymmm> I mean my rotating disc. Do you have a rubber arm that prevents multiple pieces from loading, etc
[23:10:02] <Jymmm> rubber to it'll flex if one is bowed/bent
[23:10:56] <JT-Shop> something like that we allow enough space for the part in spec and not much more
[23:11:04] <Jymmm> ah
[23:11:06] <JT-Shop> rubber sucks for that
[23:11:12] <Jymmm> k
[23:12:03] <JT-Shop> in some cases we singlulate the parts as we load them... just depends on the application
[23:12:20] <Jymmm> singlulate?
[23:12:25] * JT-Shop puts on his electrician hat now
[23:12:33] <JT-Shop> only let one out at a time
[23:12:39] <Jymmm> k
[23:12:43] <JT-Shop> hold back the rest
[23:13:07] <Jymmm> well, that was my intension from the get go, never considered bent ones though
[23:13:34] <JT-Shop> so how do you program the names and stuff in for each tag?
[23:14:33] <Jymmm> In any drawing program, or if I get sadistic, I could send HPGL directly to it.
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[23:15:13] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: BUT... I'm not limited to just text. I can put on any single color graphic.
[23:15:46] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: By single color, I mean literally 1 bit, Black
[23:16:18] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://www.clker.com/cliparts/1/9/0/4/11954356601633557489ryanlerch_skull_and_crossbones.svg.med.png
[23:16:27] <andypugh> Anyone know where touchy stores its screen size?
[23:16:42] <andypugh> cradek: ?
[23:17:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: maybe this, would have to check for sure... http://mystuffspace.com/graphic/mean-skull.gif
[23:18:27] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: This has 4 colors, three gray and one black... http://www.davingreenwell.com/archive/skull.jpg
[23:19:06] <JT-Shop> andypugh: is it in a . file
[23:20:07] <JT-Shop> andypugh: like .touchy in your home directory
[23:20:12] <andypugh> Mine is opening up rather bigger than the screen. And bounces about from showing either top-left or bottom-right corner as I click (so fast that the clicks don't register)
[23:21:01] <andypugh> I found a .touchy_preferences but there is no screen size in there.
[23:21:08] <JT-Shop> .touchy_preferences
[23:21:37] <Jymmm> .touchy_in_his_special_place
[23:21:54] <Jymmm> lol
[23:24:30] <JT-Shop> got me stumped
[23:27:54] <JT-Shop> andypugh: change the font size in the .touchy_ file
[23:28:11] <JT-Shop> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=emc2.git;a=blob;f=src/emc/usr_intf/touchy/design.notes;h=92a9e253dbd6314eb97b855a781eff7712e35f6f;hb=HEAD
[23:34:56] <andypugh> It used to be fine. But now even at 6-point (which looks silly) it doesn't quite fit vertically, and jumps about
[23:35:14] <JT-Shop> that sounds strange for sure
[23:35:53] <JT-Shop> it starts maximized for me on my non-touch screen
[23:36:36] <Jymmm> andypugh: different xconf or crt/lcd?
[23:38:06] <andypugh> well, yes, it all went wrong when I opened it with ssh -X on the 1680x1050 screen (the EMC2 touchscreen is a 1024x768)
[23:38:22] <Valen> could always use vaccume to pick em up
[23:38:35] <Valen> should only pick one up then
[23:38:59] <JT-Shop> if they are not stuck together...
[23:39:26] <Valen> more vaccume wewt
[23:50:41] <JT-Shop> then you can pick up more not less
[23:55:10] <andypugh> Well, that is incredibly annoying (the "close window" button hops out from under the pointer too)
[23:56:04] <andypugh> It opens up all nice, exactly fitting, but as soon as I click a button it grows vertically, then starts hopping to show top or bottom every click.
[23:56:43] <andypugh> However, at 1am, it can stay annoying.
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[23:59:01] <JT-Shop> LOL