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[00:45:03] <jdhNC> I'm cutting hard/brittel .125" acrylic with a 1 or 2 flute end mill and it chips. Slower, faster? more rpm?
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[00:53:57] <Valen> usually plastic needs a "sharp" cutter
[00:53:57] <Valen> like a knife rather than a chisel
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[00:58:29] <Valen> then you try and cut a chunk off
[00:58:29] <Valen> so low RPM and high feed
[00:58:29] <Valen> but acrylic may well be different
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[01:38:21] <houseparty> Using a cutting fluid which is heated or cooled will change the way acrylics will cut o.O
[01:38:51] <houseparty> @jdhNC ^
[01:40:02] <houseparty> Bring the part up to temperature and it will be less brittle.
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[02:20:46] <unclouded> hello. is more than 1GB of RAM still a problem with the EMC2 LiveCD based on Ubuntu 10.04?
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[02:41:14] <Valen> EMC didnt use more than 1Gb or linux?
[02:41:30] <Valen> linux has supported lots of ram for a long time, kinda the point
[02:42:35] <elmo40> but did the RTAI kernel support more then 1Gb back in the day?
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[03:10:20] <unclouded> This page suggests that users should "proceed with caution" when running with more than 1GB: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?Hardware_Requirements
[03:11:09] <unclouded> it was something to do with the RT kernel getting upset when memory over 1GB was accessed ( sorry, I don't know the exact details)
[03:12:44] <unclouded> maybe the wiki page is out of date and the LiveCD based on Ubuntu 10.04 runs fine with more than 1GB?
[03:16:14] <unclouded> if it's no longer a problem then that's great and I can buy a 2GB memory module for the machine that's to run EMC2
[03:17:48] <cradek> for running emc, anything over 1 GB is a complete waste of cash
[03:18:46] <cradek> bbl
[03:23:41] <unclouded> the 1GB and 2GB modules are both $44 though, so I might as well get the 2GB rather than chuck out a 1GB module if I decide to put the maximum RAM ( 4GB across two slots) in the board later on
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[04:27:56] <Valen> 2Gb might make it more usable for doing other stuff with
[04:28:10] <Valen> also most motherboards do dual channel ram, gives you a few % better performance
[04:28:48] <Valen> so 2x 1Gb sticks are better than 1x 2Gb (but 1x 2Gb is much better than 1x 1Gb)
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[04:39:48] <unclouded> ok, thanks for the advice. I'll go for 2GB and then hope I can instruct Ubuntu to only use the first GB if I run into stability issues
[04:43:07] <WalterN> 1 stick of 2gig RAM is better because you can add another easier later for more memoryness
[04:43:33] <WalterN> you do get a performance hit, but only like 10% for certain things
[04:55:57] <Valen> I have been running ubuntu since ~5.whatever and always with more than 1gb of ram
[04:56:04] <Valen> never had a problem
[04:57:23] <Valen> my current 10.04 on dual core atom has 2gb
[04:57:58] <unclouded> I think the problem only affected the kernel with the RTAI patches
[04:58:14] <Valen> it ran 8.04 fine as well
[04:58:29] <Valen> moved from 8.04-10.04 when 10.04 came out
[04:58:32] <Valen> same hardware
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[05:20:38] <Jymmm> If you plan on installing windows on it too, make sure windows gets the first gig, and nix gets the balance.
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[10:43:42] <Paragon39> Hello All, A question with regards to lathe tool compensation and co-ordinates. The Starturn I have has an ATC tool changer. What is the procedure for setting up the tool compensation? Does one have set the compensation for each tool for each job or does one only need to set this once?
[10:43:44] <Paragon39>
[10:44:20] <archivist> I set up one table and set one tool to be no offset
[10:45:33] <Paragon39> archivist: So you set up a table for each tool and an offset for just one and then all of the offsets are calculated for each tool?
[10:45:46] <archivist> one table for all tools
[10:45:51] <Paragon39> ok
[10:45:58] <jthornton> what I do is set the Z for each tool off of the spindle face with a dowel then using one tool I set the coordinate Z offset from the part
[10:46:51] * archivist giggles at the american off of
[10:47:03] <Paragon39> OK so let me make sure ive got this straight... sorry for my newbie question btw...
[10:48:01] <archivist> you will be confused by the tool orientation diagram in the docs :(
[10:48:41] <jthornton> how is that?
[10:49:08] <archivist> angles are not consistent
[10:49:08] <Paragon39> Set all comps for each tool in the tool table ie at spindle face. So x0 z0 will be at the spindle (or close to it) and center line. Then use one tool to set the the offset from end of work piece?
[10:49:57] <jthornton> yes if comps=Z offset
[10:49:58] <Paragon39> The end of workpiece now become x0 z0?
[10:50:04] <jthornton> no
[10:50:18] <jthornton> use the G54 offset for the work piece
[10:50:20] <archivist> jthornton, oops online error http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/index.php
[10:50:54] <jthornton> yea, I can do nothing about that from here :(
[10:51:27] <archivist> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/lathe_lathe-user.html#r1_2 front and back angle is missing from some orientations
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[10:51:54] <archivist> and swaps tool side
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[10:52:15] <jthornton> yes, I only put a few for reference as I could not figure out the rest and some don't make sense but work
[10:52:40] <jthornton> if you can figure out what they are I can add them
[10:53:12] <archivist> jt using those I tried one of the sample .ngc and could never get the ngc code running
[10:53:29] <archivist> always got an error
[10:53:45] <Paragon39> So one uses the G54 to set 0,0 at end of workpiece which will allow one to have various stock lengths but the program will still cut from this reference?
[10:53:52] <jthornton> AFAIK the front and back angle only affect the display in Axis
[10:54:01] <jthornton> Paragon39: yes
[10:54:31] <Paragon39> Is the g54 similiar to the old G50 (fanuc)?
[10:54:42] <jthornton> you might want your parting tool to be Z zero from the front edge
[10:54:58] <jthornton> I've never touched a fnauc except to remove it from a machine
[10:55:05] <Paragon39> lol
[10:55:05] <jthornton> fanuc
[10:56:56] <Paragon39> So by touching off with the parting tool front edge and given that the additional tools have correct comps in the comp file the additional tools will all zero in at the end of the workpiece?
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[10:57:49] <jthornton> yes, unless you press the wrong button a few times at first
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[10:57:55] <archivist> I add a move in front of my parting tool to get out the way :)
[10:58:15] <jthornton> move which way?
[10:58:21] <Paragon39> I think ive got it :-)
[10:58:35] <archivist> pull right back
[10:58:52] <jthornton> yes, my parting subroutine does that as well
[10:59:05] <jthornton> Paragon39: have you seen the ngcgui lathe subroutines?
[10:59:52] <Paragon39> I had a quick look other them yesterday (re threading etc)
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[11:01:26] <jthornton> I seldom need to code anything on my lathe anymore except odd profiles since getting ngcgui up and going
[11:01:50] <jthornton> archivist: this one? http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/lathe_lathe-user.html#cap:Lathe-Tool-Orientations
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[11:03:22] <Paragon39> With regards to setting the comps on my current setup (in process of retro fitting to EMC2) the denford has a routine for setting the comps. Does EMC allow this to happen in a similiar or more convenient way? Please see pdf from 3rd post .. http://www.denfordata.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=3258
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[11:10:16] <jthornton> that is a lot of work and reminds me of the control I scrapped from the CHNC
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[11:11:13] <jthornton> from mdi I do a G55 then TnM6G43
[11:11:55] <jthornton> then using the MPG bring the tool tip close to the spindle face and place a 0.375" dowel on the spindle face
[11:12:16] <jthornton> then going away from the spindle face till the dowel just rolls under the tool tip
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[11:13:04] <jthornton> then click on tool touch off and leave it a 0.000 unless it is a parting tool then enter the -width of the tool
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[11:13:15] <jthornton> then switch back to G54
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[11:13:18] <Paragon39> Mmm After reading the lathe_lathe.user.html I think that I maybe getting a little confused with regards to tool table. I have access to a UG-NX seat thanks to a designer pall of mine. Within NX one specifies the tool information angles tip etc and then NX produces the gcode with this compensation already taken account of or so I believe.
[11:13:55] <Paragon39> How should I relate this to the tool table within EMC?
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[11:15:35] <jthornton> I don't see how you can relate them if NX is doing the tool diameter compensation
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[11:15:58] <Paragon39> jthornton: Just seen your explanation of the procedure you do ... Thanks
[11:17:31] <jthornton> when 2.5 is released there is a tool touch off option to use workpiece or fixture so you can skip the jumping about on the coordinate systems
[11:17:54] <Paragon39> Thnink about it NX only deals with the cutter angles and tip radius. It doesnt compensate for the tool position in the lath.
[11:18:34] <Paragon39> Thnink = Thinking...
[11:18:39] <jthornton> it is just doing software G41/42 calculations for you
[11:19:05] <Paragon39> Yes I think your right.
[11:29:30] <Paragon39> jthornton: You mentioned MPG earlier what does that stand? Is it a pendant that you are using?
[11:30:12] <jthornton> no, I have a Manual Pulse Generator in the control panel
[11:31:10] <jthornton> and a couple of selector switches for axis and distance per click
[11:31:39] <Paragon39> Oh which you use rather than using the keyboard for positioning?
[11:32:19] <jthornton> for tool touch off for sure, for getting the turret out of my way sometimes the arrows on the keyboard
[11:32:48] <jthornton> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Hardinge/Controls/MPG.jpg
[11:32:53] <Paragon39> Is it homebuilt?
[11:33:03] <jthornton> the lathe?
[11:33:24] <jthornton> no, it is a Hardinge CHNC1 conversion
[11:33:27] <Paragon39> No the mpg..
[11:33:57] <jthornton> no it is a commercial one and was on the machine, I added the selector switches on the right
[11:34:26] <Paragon39> Yeah just seen the link for it.. took awhile to load... :-)
[11:36:10] <Paragon39> So do you find it much easier for offsetting? The reason I ask is that I have an encoder jog wheel lying around here somewhere that was taken off of another machine.
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[11:39:13] <jthornton> yes, it is very handy to have the MPG in reach when you set the Z offset of a new tool
[11:39:55] <Paragon39> Another project is added to the list ;-)
[11:45:36] <Paragon39> Right I'm off to the workshop, thanks for your advice :-)
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[11:56:45] <jthornton> np
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[13:26:01] <JT-Shop> rather nasty here atm
[13:28:23] <JT-Shop> thunderstorms...
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[13:35:30] <atom1> yup, it was bad here last night
[13:35:35] <atom1> now it's cold
[13:35:43] <atom1> well, chilly
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[13:37:26] <JT-Shop> shows we are at the high for the day and falling to 36F tonight
[13:38:04] <JT-Shop> good I have more crap, trash and scraps to burn in the heaters
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[13:40:19] <atom1> extreme lightening last night but it seemed to go around me
[13:41:38] <atom1> seems you get the weather we have a day later
[13:41:55] <JT-Shop> where are you located?
[13:42:04] <atom1> Ks
[13:42:22] <atom1> i was in branson sat though
[13:42:34] <JT-Shop> ah yea your a bit ahead of us here in Swamp East Missouri
[13:42:51] <atom1> well, around tablerock
[13:42:55] <JT-Shop> about 2 hrs to the left of me
[13:43:08] <JT-Shop> I've never been there
[13:43:18] <atom1> i hadn't either :)
[13:43:50] <JT-Shop> anything interesting there for a motorhead?
[13:44:08] <atom1> probably not
[13:44:35] <atom1> headin out here..
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[14:10:37] <skunkworks> http://cnczone.com/forums/mach_software_artsoft_software/125528-feedhold_realtime_issue.html
[14:12:04] <jdhNC__> doesn't mach work pretty much fine for what it does?
[14:13:32] <JT-Shop> for hobby stuff I guess
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[14:24:03] <SWPadnos> it's more a question of what it's supposed to do, but doesn't
[14:24:08] <jdhNC__> I have an ultrasonic inspection system that does 2 axis control and gigahertz sampling... it runs fine under windows and never misses a pulse
[14:24:12] <SWPadnos> and the hardware you're using is probably the reason for that
[14:24:19] <SWPadnos> (by that I mean data acquisition hardware, the CPU should be more or less irrelevant)
[14:24:19] <skunkworks> This has come up before. mach seems to take .5 + seconds to go into feed hold.
[14:24:19] <jdhNC__> mostly... it has a galil and three killer a/d boards
[14:24:20] <SWPadnos> man, somebody should steer that guy right
[14:24:20] <skunkworks> heh
[14:24:20] <SWPadnos> the "stop instantly" thing might be an issue
[14:24:23] <jdhNC__> but, the gui is still responsive and some of the gating is done via CPU
[14:24:24] <SWPadnos> jdhNC__, right, so Windows isn't actually doing anything except asking the Galil to do some motion and reading large buffers of data from the A/D cards
[14:24:34] <SWPadnos> yeah, gating the acquisition cards based on the motors being in position (for example) isn't that time critical
[14:24:34] <SWPadnos> a few extra tens of microseconds isn't going to matter
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[15:20:44] <psha> logger[psha]_: or i'll kill you !
[15:22:41] <psha> i've promised!
[15:23:51] <skunkworks> crap - did I break something? ;)
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[15:24:30] <archivist> I had to kickstart mine a couple of time due to the splitz
[15:24:31] <psha> logger[psha]: calm down, you are better then previous one
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[15:33:55] <danimal_garage> hi
[15:36:00] <JT-Shop> hi Dan
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[15:56:31] <Paragon39> How does EMC act if a stall occurs on a Servo driven axis?
[15:58:16] <Paragon39> ie closed loop system.
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[16:01:28] <JT-Shop> how do you have it configured?
[16:01:33] <JT-Shop> or are you asking about a following error?
[16:02:03] <Paragon39> JT-Shop: I haven't anything configured as yet but am thinking of retro-fitting my starturn with a couple of servos. So am just curious.
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[16:03:01] <JT-Shop> well if you get a following error EMC will stop
[16:03:08] <JT-Shop> if you connect your drive error output to the right place in EMC that will cause EMC to stop
[16:06:48] <Paragon39> I think I understand... a following error will occur if the commanded position and actual position is out of it limit. Is this kind of correct? Were by a stepper system would just keep going without realising a stall has occurred unless it was closed loop.
[16:06:53] <JT-Shop> yep
[16:06:55] <Paragon39> Cheers!
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[16:18:18] <danimal_garage> hi John
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[16:56:07] * JT-Shop tries to control myself after making the same part 3 times wrong :/
[16:56:21] <jdhNC__> by hand? or CNC'ed?
[16:56:35] <JT-Shop> by brain fart and yes CNC
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[16:58:01] <jdhNC__> well, consistency is to be expected in that case.
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[16:59:11] <JT-Shop> each time differently wrong!
[17:03:34] <JT-Shop> glad I didn't run over the last one with a Sherman tank as after a few moments to calm down figures a way to save it
[17:12:25] <anonimasu> what is the arc_ok signal fed from?
[17:12:31] <anonimasu> where
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[17:13:04] <JT-Shop> in my case the Hypertherm 1250 has an arc ok pin on the main board of the plasma
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[17:13:30] <anonimasu> -_- cant i see that off the thc?
[17:13:31] <anonimasu> somehow
[17:13:56] <TekniQue> this channel
[17:14:02] <TekniQue> every day it's stoner talk
[17:14:04] <TekniQue> :D
[17:14:27] <JT-Shop> the THCAD card?
[17:14:36] <anonimasu> yeah
[17:15:01] <anonimasu> im looking at my plasma schematics and i cant seem to find a output like that
[17:15:40] <JT-Shop> I guess you could see that the velocity is above some point or something like that...
[17:16:39] <JT-Shop> what kind of plasma do you have?
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[17:18:44] <anonimasu> saf zip 3.0
[17:19:25] <anonimasu> i have a hf ctrl..
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[17:23:31] <anonimasu> there seems to be a +/- kont output.. but i dont know
[17:23:31] <anonimasu> bbl
[17:23:31] <IchGuckLive> anonimasu: what is the space between the Steelplate and the Cutter head when you start the plasma injektion ?
[17:24:22] <IchGuckLive> or dou you use a spring for Z Axis ?
[17:24:27] <andypugh> What's the hardware? There is an interesting point here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,27/id,3980/limit,6/limitstart,18/lang,english/#8487
[17:27:01] <JT-Shop> yea
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[17:42:25] <anonimasu> IchGuckLive: I dont know yet, im yet to stick a spring on the axis
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[17:45:25] <anonimasu> my setup is the rs422 board from mesa 7i33 I think and a thcad board and a 7i37com for the inputs
[17:46:52] <anonimasu> err 7i42 for inputs
[17:47:05] <andypugh> Ah well, at lest it isn't that particular (and expensive) problem.
[17:47:07] <anonimasu> which one the one lacking a arc ok?
[17:47:08] <anonimasu> signal from my plasma?
[17:47:08] <anonimasu> got any idea how to solve that?
[17:47:08] <anonimasu> look for the HF peak and see if the reading stabilizes?
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[17:49:16] <alex_joni> howdy
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[17:58:47] * JT-Shop is going for the record number of replies to a post today!
[17:58:47] <alex_joni> ha
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[18:12:11] <tom3p> JT-Shop, that 15hp phase converter, is that 'single phase 230'?
[18:17:59] <JT-Shop> 220-230 what ever it takes :)
[18:19:18] <JT-Shop> yes, two hots
[18:21:40] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/61/l_6da4cf239c1dafffb0f4b5d56a30ede3.jpg
[18:28:32] <JT-Shop> ah, second shift has taken over for the posting record
[18:33:08] <andypugh> :-)
[18:34:22] <cradek> I don't think that car is really on a semi-transparent floor intersecting two artificial women
[18:34:42] <cradek> disembodied women
[18:34:44] <tom3p> Jymmm, is that the 2 hots? JT-Shop i questioned the 10hp startup on a typical 15A home circuit.
[18:35:20] <Jymmm> tom3p: yes
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[18:38:46] <JT-Shop> tom3p: it is on a 30amp 220 (double pole) breaker not two 120v circuits
[18:39:59] <JT-Shop> with #8 wire
[18:40:59] <tom3p> thx JT
[18:45:18] <JT-Shop> np
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[19:40:36] <aggrav8d> hi, EMC. how do i change the config to adjust the maximum speed when EMC loads?
[19:41:08] <aggrav8d> I keep forgetting to dial it down from 1200. the machine gets part way through a cut, then tries to rapid too fast and stalls.
[19:43:35] <alex_joni> do you use AXIS as the GUI?
[19:45:45] <aggrav8d> yes
[19:47:09] <alex_joni> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config_ini_config.html#sub:%5BTRAJ%5D-section
[19:47:10] <alex_joni> DEFAULT_VELOCITY
[19:47:12] <aggrav8d> i see that. the jog speed is ok, the rapid is way off.
[19:47:12] <alex_joni> there are 2 in newer versions iirc (DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY and DEFAULT_ANGULAR_VELOCITY ?)
[19:47:12] <aggrav8d> i set my rapid speed in cambam and I guess it doesn't get carried over to EMC2.
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[19:47:12] <alex_joni> you can't set rapid speed
[19:47:13] <alex_joni> that's the max speed of the machine
[19:47:13] <aggrav8d> right.
[19:47:13] <alex_joni> if that's higher than your motors can handle, then it's set too high
[19:48:48] <alex_joni> MAX_VELOCITY (in TRAJ and in AXIS_xx sections)
[19:48:49] <aggrav8d> it is. i'm going to go try and adjust it now.
[19:48:49] <alex_joni> the DEFAULT_* ones are for jogging
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[21:07:01] <atom1> stop trippin over the irc plug
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[21:33:09] <andypugh> I am guessing piasdom isn't here?
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[21:36:52] <JT-Shop> I don't see him
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[21:37:17] <andypugh> I was wondering if he had a different name.
[21:37:29] <andypugh> But as he seems barely able to read that seems unlikely :-)
[21:37:33] <JT-Shop> I don't recall seeing him on the IRC
[21:37:58] <andypugh> I am hoping if we repeat the same info enough times it might sink in.
[21:38:06] <JT-Shop> I think it is a bit of comprehension issue with him
[21:38:18] <JT-Shop> or how ever it is spelled
[21:39:18] <andypugh> I think it is spelt t-o-s-t-u-p-i-d-t-o-h-a-v-e-a-c-o-m-p-u-t-e-r
[21:39:31] <JT-Shop> ROFLMAO
[21:39:37] <andypugh> (Only joking, it took me ages to get my head round HAL too)
[21:39:55] <JT-Shop> I think he has been around for a long time
[21:41:22] <andypugh> Linking Pyvcp to halui to MDI_COMMAND is pretty convoluted. The only extra layer of abstraction to add is M62...
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[21:42:41] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: I have a nice capacitor for you... http://oi54.tinypic.com/zloxg.jpg
[21:44:25] <JT-Shop> I was just glad to get the pyvcp button to show up :)
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[22:00:58] <elmo40> Jymmm: lol, that is too funny
[22:01:09] <elmo40> why would anyone spend the time to make a cap like that?
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[22:17:01] <JT-Shop> andypugh: I have a genuine fear of reaching that stage where my mind starts to fail like my Father's did
[22:18:58] <Jymmm> elmo40: cheaper than the real thing?
[22:19:01] <andypugh> I think anyone who has seen it happen has the same worry.
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[22:20:59] <bill20r3> time to buy a really fast motorcycle.
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[22:31:12] <JT-Shop> heh, I have one :)
[22:31:48] <JT-Shop> I guess that is why I try so hard to help people like him understand something
[22:34:03] <bill20r3> Does anyone know of a cheapish IO-expander, something along the lines of an arduino, but faster?
[22:41:50] <andypugh> To attach to what, and what for?
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[22:51:45] <bill20r3> to a pc, for some extra outputs, to control some non-real-time stuff. (a paper feeder...)
[22:52:16] <bill20r3> but for the purposes of this question, we can call it a tool-changer.
[22:52:38] <andypugh> Pokeys?
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[22:53:32] <andypugh> http://www.poscope.com/
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[22:54:04] <andypugh> Ethernet and USB versions available. (You didn't define "cheapish")
[22:54:21] <bill20r3> <$100 or so
[22:54:58] <andypugh> OK, look at that link then.
[22:55:21] <bill20r3> excellent, thanks
[22:55:24] <andypugh> 55 inputs and 55 outputs hanging on the ethernet port.
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[22:55:53] <andypugh> I do wonder if that ethernet version could have a realtime driver...
[22:57:55] <andypugh> RTnet and Pokeys56E looks like a very promising combination.
[23:00:17] <atom1> mmm, intel atom married to a spartain 6 fpga kit
[23:00:33] <atom1> possible emc platform?
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[23:14:53] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: I have a nice capacitor for you... http://oi54.tinypic.com/zloxg.jpg
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[23:15:16] <SWPadnos> yeah, saw it. I think I'll pass :)
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[23:15:35] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: caPASSitor
[23:15:53] <SWPadnos> incapacitor
[23:16:06] <Jymmm> LESScaPASSitor
[23:16:21] <SWPadnos> capacitorless
[23:16:27] <Jymmm> MOREisLESScaPASSitor
[23:16:41] <SWPadnos> ghost in the shell
[23:17:14] <SWPadnos> hmmm. this is a lrger stack of bills than normal. I wonder if I forgot to pay some of them last month
[23:17:18] <SWPadnos> larger
[23:17:26] <Jymmm> hollow bunnycapacitor
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[23:21:35] <aggrav8d> alex_joni, erm... i've been trying to locate the correct ini file and I'm afraid I'm too stupid to do it on my own. hint, please?
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[23:23:01] <tom3p> whats the material in these motor brushes? http://www.teamassociated.com/reedy/parts/details/728/
[23:23:02] <tom3p> it seems cast onto the flexible leads
[23:25:29] <TekniQue> they're usually graphite
[23:25:41] <TekniQue> this could be graphite with some copper added
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[23:26:09] <TekniQue> they're typically not cast but forged from graphite powder
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[23:26:32] <tom3p> yes these are not graphite see pic
[23:26:53] <TekniQue> and the flexible leads are embedded in them, yes
[23:26:58] <atom1> those probably have copper mixed in
[23:26:59] <tom3p> thx
[23:27:37] <atom1> graphite also helps lube so it likely is a mix of copper and graphite
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[23:28:56] <tom3p> they are not graphite, i worked with graphite for 40 years not they are not graphite thank you they are more like wearite
[23:32:58] <atom1> that's the good thing about irc. we always get corrected when in error
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[23:38:05] <Jymmm> atom1: That's not always true.
[23:38:24] <atom1> or we all look like fools :)
[23:38:39] <Jymmm> atom1: Nah, just ewe ;)
[23:39:16] <Jymmm> Well, I'd say SWPadnos, but I'd consider him more of a Court Jester than a fool.
[23:39:38] <Jymmm> http://instantrimshot.com
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[23:39:52] <atom1> pass
[23:41:12] <atom1> are you gonna lace your itx case with leds?
[23:41:51] <Jymmm> No, edge lit laser engraved acrylic windows
[23:42:59] <Jymmm> tom3p: I made this a waysback http://i51.tinypic.com/2jttp2.jpg
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[23:49:11] <tom3p> use leds to edge lite the iBar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaKehq6qsdY but thats like 5 years old
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[23:52:07] <tom3p> aha they are copper berylium like moldmax http://www.brushwellman.com
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