#emc | Logs for 2011-03-17

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[00:00:21] <Jymmmm> Oh, I know that bike. A friend had a yallow one.
[00:00:26] <Jymmmm> REAL old
[00:00:33] <JT-Shop> yea, me too
[00:01:15] <Jymmmm> Rode it from the cabin to the lodge to the grocery store
[00:02:21] <JT-Shop> I rode mine all over the mountains near Anchorage then rode all around New Orleans
[00:02:50] <JT-Shop> took the muffler off and used my Mom's vacuum cleaner pipe to make a straight pipe
[00:03:14] <Jymmmm> lol
[00:03:16] <JT-Shop> I learned all about mixture on that bike
[00:03:26] <JT-Shop> and rebuilding engines
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[00:04:06] <JT-Shop> I'm going to wander in and have some chow
[00:04:11] <JT-Shop> talk to you later
[00:04:17] <Jymmmm> hasta
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[00:17:55] <elmo40> Jymmmm: yes, like that.
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[02:56:01] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mach1mach2cnc/message/126438
[02:58:58] <atom1> is that for single pointing a thread in a bore for example?
[02:59:32] <atom1> or is that more for lathes
[02:59:35] <atom1> or both
[02:59:56] <skunkworks> mainly lathe
[03:01:09] <atom1> would the same apply for a helix on a mill?
[03:01:57] <skunkworks> no
[03:02:26] <skunkworks> that is a simple xyz motion. this is syncing the z axis acording to the spindle rotation
[03:02:44] <atom1> yeah
[03:03:09] <atom1> the z still has to synch with x and y on a helix though
[03:03:22] <atom1> i'm just thinking out loud
[03:04:16] <atom1> yeah, generally you do multiple passes for a lathe thread and it must synch with the spindle
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[12:57:53] <UncleG> Here is my EMC Index Screw Machine conversion, http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=327745&id=508489044&l=c3e80f47d9
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[13:32:14] <archivist> UncleG, is that a sliding head machine?
[13:37:05] <UncleG> What do you mean?
[13:38:11] <UncleG> Its an automatic barloader with top slides for cut off and form tools, side slides do form, shave, drill, tap, ect, and the turret, self explaining
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[14:12:00] <chille> is there any way to generate a PDF (or similar) from G-code?
[14:12:25] <cradek> can you be more specific
[14:12:29] <chille> to get lika a blueprint of the thing
[14:12:50] <cradek> that doesn't seem like something that can be done automatically
[14:13:17] <chille> i want to be able to print it on a A4 paper to see how it looks like IRL before i lasercut/mill/whatever it
[14:13:35] <cradek> if you load the gcode in AXIS, you can see a preview that shows the path the tool will take
[14:14:02] <cradek> imagining how the part will look from that is a mental exercise
[14:15:05] <cradek> to represent a 3d part on paper requires multiple views, etc., ideally drawn by a person who knows how to do it well
[14:15:11] <chille> for example, if i am making engine bearer, it would be awesome to be able to print it in scale 1:1 to see if it fits the engine
[14:15:14] <cradek> you can view the 3d tool path pretty well in AXIS
[14:15:31] <chille> oh sorry, i didn't mention i'm talking about 2D :o
[14:16:03] <cradek> still, the tool path and the outline of the final part are not the same at all
[14:16:11] <cradek> gcode represents the path the tool takes, nothing more
[14:16:28] <cradek> you cannot just "print" that and have a drawing of a part
[14:16:33] <chille> ah, well, of course :o
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[14:21:05] <maximilian_h> somebody there who can help me with a 7i43 on an emc2 ubuntu 10.04 install ?
[14:21:35] <maximilian_h> $ halrun
[14:21:35] <maximilian_h> halcmd: loadrt hostmot2
[14:21:35] <maximilian_h> halcmd: loadrt probe_parport
[14:21:35] <maximilian_h> halcmd: loadrt hm2_7i43 config="firmware=hm2/7i43/SVST4_4S.BIT num_encoders=4 num_pwmgens=4 num_stepgens=0" ioaddr=0xd000 ioaddr_hi=0xd100 epp_wide=0 debug_epp=1
[14:21:35] <maximilian_h> insmod: error inserting '/usr/realtime-2.6.32-122-rtai/modules/emc2/hm2_7i43.ko': -1 Invalid parameters
[14:21:35] <maximilian_h> <stdin>:3: exit value: 1
[14:21:36] <maximilian_h> <stdin>:3: insmod failed, returned -1
[14:21:36] <maximilian_h> See the output of 'dmesg' for more information.
[14:23:26] <maximilian_h> Anybody ?
[14:24:33] <JT-Work> you might have to wait a bit for someone to come by that can answer that...
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[14:31:19] <maximilian_h> @jt-work: Thanks
[14:31:37] <maximilian_h> because I don't know what else to do
[14:31:59] <maximilian_h> I have commented out the line in /etc/modprobe.d/emc2
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[14:32:24] <maximilian_h> and I am sure that the addresses are right to, because I checked them with lspci
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[14:34:27] <alex_joni> maximilian_h: did you do what it suggests?
[14:34:30] <alex_joni> check dmesg?
[14:35:21] <maximilian_h> yes I check dmesg
[14:35:29] <maximilian_h> s/check/checked
[14:35:41] <maximilian_h> [ 243.828626] hm2: loading Mesa HostMot2 driver version 0.15
[14:35:41] <maximilian_h> [ 261.225747] hm2_7i43: loading HostMot2 Mesa 7i43 driver version 0.3
[14:35:41] <maximilian_h> [ 261.227783] hm2_7i43: wrote control 0x04
[14:35:41] <maximilian_h> [ 261.227788] hm2_7i43: read status 0x78
[14:35:41] <maximilian_h> [ 261.227805] hm2_7i43: selected address 0x7F7F
[14:35:42] <maximilian_h> [ 261.227809] hm2_7i43: wrote data 0x5A
[14:35:42] <maximilian_h> [ 261.227813] hm2_7i43: selected address 0x7F7F
[14:35:43] <maximilian_h> [ 261.227817] hm2_7i43: wrote data 0x5A
[14:35:43] <maximilian_h> [ 261.227821] hm2_7i43: selected address 0x01
[14:35:44] <maximilian_h> [ 261.227825] hm2_7i43: wrote data 0x00
[14:35:44] <maximilian_h> [ 261.227830] hm2_7i43: wrote data 0x01
[14:35:45] <maximilian_h> [ 261.229851] hm2_7i43: read data 0xFF
[14:35:45] <maximilian_h> [ 261.229854] hm2_7i43: /DONE is not low after CPLD reset!
[14:35:46] <maximilian_h> [ 261.229858] hm2_7i43: selected address 0x00
[14:35:57] <maximilian_h> it is a 200k 7i43
[14:36:01] <alex_joni> please use pastebin for large pastes
[14:36:09] <cradek> is your parport in EPP mode in the system BIOS?
[14:36:24] <cradek> or is your parport a netmos-based pci card?
[14:36:26] <maximilian_h> it is a seperate SUN1888 card
[14:36:41] <maximilian_h> and a short flat ribbon cable
[14:37:12] <maximilian_h> I checked on an older machine with 8.04 installed, there I could load hm2_7i43
[14:38:04] <maximilian_h> Maybe I am missing something else/new on 10.04 ?
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[14:39:28] <alex_joni> same sun1888 card?
[14:41:44] <maximilian_h> no, but I have a very same sun1888 in another machine with emc2 8.04, running happily. Not as fast as a lava moko card, but way easier to get ...
[14:42:20] <cradek> I doubt the OS makes any difference
[14:42:53] <cradek> cable?
[14:44:24] <maximilian_h> I checked the cable yesterday with a 400k 7i43, that I have for testing because I accidentally had to solder on a new CPLD, because I burned the original one. The cable worked then with a chipset parallel port
[14:45:10] <maximilian_h> I will try another SUN1888 card, perhaps the current one is not good. I still got a spare one
[14:45:30] <cradek> perhaps plug the 7i43 directly into the card, if it is physically possible
[14:46:05] <maximilian_h> no, not physically possible, different connectors
[14:46:10] <maximilian_h> one is DB25
[14:46:18] <cradek> oh I see
[14:46:24] <maximilian_h> one is 26 pin on pcb
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[14:53:21] <pcw_home> <maximilian_h> [ 261.229851] hm2_7i43: read data 0xFF
[14:53:23] <pcw_home> This suggests either a bad 7I43 or that your port is not in EPP mode
[14:53:24] <pcw_home> You can verify a little further by putting a say 1K pulldown resistor on parallel port D7
[14:53:26] <pcw_home> if it stlll reads FF (and not 7F) your port is not in EPP mode
[14:56:27] <maximilian_h> @pcw_home: A pull up of 1k when I have the 7i43 connected and then I shall loadrt hm2_7i43 ?
[14:58:12] <pcw_home> yes but pull _down_
[14:58:35] <pcw_home> even without 7I43
[14:58:59] <maximilian_h> ok, sorry pull down 1k without the 7i43
[14:59:03] <maximilian_h> I will try that
[14:59:23] <pcw_home> Yes, that will verify that EPP read works
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[15:06:05] <Jymmmm> Hey, anyone still have that photo of that 6ft tall angle bracket?
[15:06:37] <Jymmmm> SWPadnos: ping ^^^^^^^
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[15:08:20] <pcw_home> Sorry I guess you need the 7I43 there for the handshake... But the 7I43 should not drive D7 when unconfigured
[15:08:22] <pcw_home> so the EPP read should read the bus if in EPP mode so D7s state will be determined by the pullup (on the PP card)
[15:08:23] <pcw_home> or the pulldown if stiff enough
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[15:18:13] <maximilian_h> one further question, I have this line in in /etc/modprobe.d/emc2:
[15:18:13] <maximilian_h> install parport_pc /bin/true
[15:19:20] <maximilian_h> however I just noticed, that:
[15:19:21] <maximilian_h> $ lsmod | grep parport
[15:19:21] <maximilian_h> parport 30764 2 ppdev,lp
[15:19:21] <maximilian_h> and
[15:19:52] <maximilian_h> there seems to be a kernel module on the pci device
[15:19:52] <maximilian_h> # lspci -vs 01:00.0
[15:19:52] <maximilian_h> 01:00.0 Parallel controller: Timedia Technology Co Ltd SUN1888 (Dual IEEE1284 parallel port) (rev 01) (prog-if 02)
[15:19:52] <maximilian_h> Subsystem: Timedia Technology Co Ltd Device 0103
[15:19:52] <maximilian_h> Flags: stepping, medium devsel, IRQ 7
[15:19:52] <maximilian_h> I/O ports at d000 [size=8]
[15:19:52] <maximilian_h> I/O ports at d100 [size=8]
[15:19:53] <maximilian_h> Kernel modules: parport_pc
[15:20:06] <cradek> what emc version?
[15:20:12] <maximilian_h> 2.4.6
[15:20:20] <maximilian_h> ubuntu 10.04
[15:20:33] <cradek> parport_pc is ok then. emc cooperates now.
[15:21:09] <maximilian_h> so that cannot interfere
[15:21:28] <maximilian_h> shall I leave install parport_pc /bin/true in /etc/modprobe.d/emc2
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[16:28:28] <IchGuckLive> Heavy Snow in Japan unlikly Radiation to reatch the USA
[16:31:21] <IchGuckLive> Ustream broadcasting Detectors value around Tokyo Live and 50.000 viewerson NHK World Eng Tv
[16:32:23] <psha> IchGuckLive: as usual with lot of news ;)
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[16:36:58] <IchGuckLive> B)
[16:37:06] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ustream.tv/discovery/live/all
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[16:42:13] <danimal_garage> poor japan :(
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[16:48:02] <pcw_home> danimal_garage did you have the bug where you needed to press the run button 2-3 times before the program would start?
[16:48:04] <pcw_home> if so what was the fix?
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[16:51:31] <maximilian_h> @pcw_home: thanks for the epp help, the sun1888 is not working in epp mode
[16:51:47] <maximilian_h> but at least I now know that ;)
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[16:53:12] <pcw_home> So EPP reads always read FF?
[16:54:20] <pcw_home> Might want to try a really stiff pulldown (say 270 Ohms) or so to make really sure (not sure what the PP pullups are)
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[17:07:36] <danimal_garage> pcw_home, yes
[17:08:18] <danimal_garage> what i figured out is for some reason the emc window becomes unselected so i often have to click on it again for any of the keys to work
[17:08:54] <danimal_garage> this is a new issue, only started after the upgrade to 10.04
[17:09:01] <Jymmmm> s/unselected/lost focus/
[17:09:09] <danimal_garage> whatev
[17:09:55] <danimal_garage> i'm not a brain scientist or rocket surgeon
[17:10:16] <atmega> do you play one on TeeVee?
[17:10:46] <danimal_garage> yes, on General Hospital
[17:11:28] <pcw_home> OK Not sure if I have click-to-focus turned on, I'll try that
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[17:13:46] <danimal_garage> so i bid on some new drives on egay
[17:14:09] <danimal_garage> who was the one who found the cheap encoders with commutation tracks?
[17:14:44] <danimal_garage> the computer i had saved the link on died :(
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[17:18:00] <pcw_home> http://psha.org.ru/irc/
[17:18:01] <pcw_home> has search-able IRC logs
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[17:24:57] <danimal_garage> sweet, thanks pcw
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[17:30:55] <pcw_home> thank psha!
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[18:21:00] <IchGuckLive> Hi all around the EMCWorld
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[18:21:55] * bill20r3 waves
[18:22:10] * skunkworks waves back
[18:23:02] <andypugh> waves
[18:23:11] <andypugh> (You think he's been drinking?)
[18:23:27] <skunkworks> I know I have...
[18:24:49] <IchGuckLive> Us Army Change here in Europa New Neighbors went in today From Sunny Florida at -3Deg Celsius brrr
[18:30:56] <danimal_garage> i'm sure it's gunna be in the 80's here today
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[18:31:56] <IchGuckLive> B)
[18:32:14] <danimal_garage> its actually exactly 80 outside
[18:34:53] <IchGuckLive> 27Deg Celsius thats warm
[18:38:56] <Jymmmm> anyone know where to get cheap usb A/A Male cables from?
[18:40:37] <IchGuckLive> Jymmmm: Country
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[18:41:30] <Jymmmm> IchGuckLive: US, China, whatever
[18:41:30] <ve7it> Jymmmm, http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10303
[18:42:22] <ve7it> 0.98 for 6ft A male to A male
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[18:43:10] <atmega> I have to disk adapters that use maleA/maleA... who dreamt up that stupidity
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[18:43:19] <IchGuckLive> what about the dealer next to You
[18:43:55] <Jymmmm> ve7it: where do you see A/A Male 6ft?
[18:44:24] <ve7it> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030303&p_id=206&seq=1&format=2
[18:44:42] <DaViruz> Jymmmm: bout a third down?
[18:44:46] <DaViruz> USB 2.0 Cables - A Male to A Male
[18:45:05] <ve7it> scroll down... 1st link is is for all kinds of usb cables
[18:46:00] <skunkworks924> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812576081&cm_re=a_male_usb_6ft-_-12-576-081-_-Product
[18:46:08] <Jymmmm> ve7it: cool, thanks
[18:46:28] <Jymmmm> skunkworks924: WAY TOO EXPENSIVE
[18:46:31] <ve7it> the cables are cheap but the shipping to Canada is :{
[18:46:57] <skunkworks924> heh
[18:47:17] <skunkworks924> but it is 3.0... ;)
[18:47:38] <Jymmmm> skunkworks924: It could be 1.1 for all I care, just stelaing power
[18:48:02] <DaViruz> 3.0 is rated for more power than 1.1!
[18:48:23] <Jymmmm> DaViruz: Great! How many 3.0 devices do you have?
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[18:48:59] <DaViruz> none, no hosts either
[18:49:10] <Jymmmm> exactly
[18:50:04] <Jymmmm> ve7it: Not bad shipping costs either (to me at least)
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[18:51:59] <ve7it> they have a lot of good cables... cheaper than building them
[18:52:28] <Jymmmm> ve7it: Yeah, and I plan on cutting them in half too =)
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[19:01:21] <anonimasu> pcw_home: how should I figure out what kind of high voltage resistor I need for the plasma?
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