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[02:08:57] <danimal_garage> i tried the cosmos screen saver again and it threw another realtime delay error
[02:09:04] <danimal_garage> seems to be related to that
[02:09:30] <danimal_garage> doesnt do it with a blank screen saver
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[02:22:34] <seb_kuzminsky> danimal_garage: there's lots of info on the wiki about fixing latency issues
[02:26:34] <danimal_garage> seb_kuzminsky, i've read quite a bit on the subject, noone seems to have issues with this mobo but me
[02:26:46] <danimal_garage> it's a d510mo
[02:30:55] <seb_kuzminsky> huh
[02:30:59] <seb_kuzminsky> using onboard video?
[02:36:59] <danimal_garage> yes
[02:37:26] <danimal_garage> weird, huh?
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[02:38:31] <danimal_garage> i had to do nomodeset in grub in order for it not to restart in the middle of the night or throw edid errors
[02:38:59] <danimal_garage> also, it seems that ubuntu is under the impression that it's a laptop
[02:39:47] <danimal_garage> it has settings in power management for it as well as it listing laptop as a display
[02:43:43] <danimal_garage> considering going back to 8.04 :/
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[03:21:58] <atom1> can you run the latency test from the live cd?
[03:22:07] <atom1> i'm not having much luck getting it to run
[03:27:45] <danimal_garage> i believe so
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[03:48:00] <atom1> well, i can't get it to run
[04:01:11] <pcw_home> what does it do?
[04:02:14] <atom1> nothing
[04:02:18] <atom1> it doesn't launch
[04:02:29] <atom1> it did it on this machine as well as the itx
[04:02:39] <atom1> until i installed it
[04:02:47] <atom1> then it worked
[04:03:01] <pcw_home> what does it do if launched from a terminal?
[04:03:26] <atom1> i can't try it now, i'm installing
[04:03:30] <atom1> :)
[04:04:55] <atom1> i'm gonna try it on this board but i don't think i have enough ram installed: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/itx/EPIA-MII-45.jpg
[04:05:05] <atom1> and it may be too slow
[04:05:52] <pcw_home> OK I dont think Ive tried running the latency test from the CD, I expect that its supposed to work so maybe some setup or path problem
[04:06:17] <atom1> well, i'll install it and try it then
[04:09:42] <atom1> are there minimum ram requirements for emc?
[04:09:54] <atom1> or maybe i should ask what they are
[04:14:27] <pcw_home> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Hardware_Requirements
[04:16:21] <atom1> i'm thinking it will be marginal if it works
[04:17:28] <danimal_garage> these flavored snyder's of hanover sourdough pretzel pieces are extremely addicting
[04:18:16] <danimal_garage> just thought i'd throw that out there
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[05:40:27] <stillme> hi all, thanks to you all i finally got my EMC controlling my cnc
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[05:41:08] <stillme> but i realised the machine always moves half the distance it should move on x and y axis. any one know what could cause that??
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[07:14:28] <Connor> Hey Guys, I've seen some conversions for machines were they put Gas springs on the Z-Axis.. Why do they that?
[07:14:52] <Jymmm> To counter balance it
[07:14:54] <anonimasu> to balance it out so it'll be easier to move up
[07:16:13] <Connor> I knew that, I was just trying to figure out if it was really needed, or what..
[07:17:02] <anonimasu> depends on how heavy your z axis is
[07:17:46] <Connor> I guess so.
[07:18:07] <Jymmm> It's like an elevator, the cab needs to be counter-balanced to go up/down
[07:18:47] <Connor> I still haven't found a replacement coupler yet.. kinda getting aggravated. ..
[07:19:00] <Jymmm> Why make a motor work more than it needs to
[07:19:07] <anonimasu> Connor: what kind of coupler?
[07:19:17] <Connor> I guess I could see it if you had a Z-axis with a smaller motor, or with a screw that didn't have fine enough threads..
[07:19:42] <Connor> Well.. I had Alum Helix cheapie from China that broke..
[07:19:47] <Connor> 8mm to 10mm
[07:19:51] <Connor> 30mm in length.
[07:20:19] <Connor> I need one that can handle 2.5N.M torque..
[07:20:30] <Connor> and don't want to pay a arm and a leg for it..
[07:20:44] <anonimasu> how much is a arm and a leg?
[07:21:11] <Connor> I could see paying 25-30 for one.. but double that is a bit much..
[07:21:17] <anonimasu> google for rotex
[07:21:21] <Connor> which is what I'm finding.
[07:21:41] <anonimasu> 2.5Nm isnt reallly so much
[07:22:00] <Connor> No, but a beam or helix in stainless pushes the cost up.
[07:22:11] <anonimasu> why does it need to be stainless?
[07:22:36] <Connor> flex + alum = stress factures.
[07:22:50] <Connor> they break, this is my 2nd broken alum one.
[07:23:13] <anonimasu> yeah, but are you sure that it's not just the sizing of it that's worng
[07:23:30] <Connor> I'm not sure of anything at this point.
[07:23:37] <anonimasu> how long did it take for them to break?
[07:24:00] <Connor> Well, truth be told, both broke do to my stupidity by letting it crash.
[07:24:05] <anonimasu> heh
[07:24:39] <Connor> I forget the Y axis is a bit slower (and has more torque) than the X, and thus, the stepper doesn't stall out as easily.
[07:25:07] <Connor> I was working in installing my limit switches... and had a not so nice malfunction
[07:25:11] <anonimasu> you know, they appear after a 10^12 cycles or something
[07:25:16] <anonimasu> the stress fractures
[07:25:55] <Connor> okay, finding all kinds of mention of rotex, but not a true online store...
[07:27:02] <anonimasu> actually 10^5 cycles tho it all depends on your load
[07:27:05] <Connor> oh.. and freaking alibaba
[07:29:37] <Connor> Oh, and I wanted clampping style vs set screws.
[07:30:02] <anonimasu> you can forget low price now
[07:30:11] <Connor> Yea.
[07:31:08] <Connor> Oldham's look kinda neat..
[07:31:08] <anonimasu> btw, from my point of view the coupler saved your machine
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[07:31:32] <anonimasu> they only work for small radial mismatch
[07:31:40] <anonimasu> and they are pretty noisy
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[07:37:59] <Connor> Okay, so why are some listed as "servo" couplings ?
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[07:39:57] <anonimasu> because they are but not for every application
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[07:51:35] <Connor> Maybe I'll order another china one, I need some drag chain too.. and they have some inexpensive ones..
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[07:59:33] <mrsunshine_> Connor, i have a 0.40kw spindle motor and the whole spindle thing hanging in my motor and it moves fine, tho its not very strong upwards :P
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[08:00:23] <Connor> Cool.
[08:00:48] <mrsunshine_> its on a X1 using 1.85nm stepper motors, with beasts of drivers :P
[08:00:56] <mrsunshine_> with old drivers, sure it could move it but only very slowly :P
[08:01:14] <mrsunshine_> but im going to get Z+ helper
[08:01:22] <Connor> 1.85.. That's what around 250oz or so ?
[08:01:30] <mrsunshine_> dont know :P
[08:01:37] <mrsunshine_> do not deal in US measurements :P
[08:02:07] <Connor> 1.85 newton meter = 261.982 074 72 ounce inch
[08:02:12] <Connor> Ha! Not a bad guess!
[08:02:50] <mrsunshine_> thinking of getting biggers mtoors tho as my drivers can take 90V 7.8A ...
[08:02:52] <mrsunshine_> so why not :P
[08:03:21] <mrsunshine_> something like 6nm :P
[08:03:35] <Connor> I'm using 354oz-in on my machine.. (that's around 2.499nm)
[08:03:55] <mrsunshine_> or no, 3nm should do as its still in the nema23 frame
[08:04:06] <Connor> for my x and y, but, it's a router, not a mill.. and the Z uses a 287oz-in
[08:05:00] <Connor> 420oz-in (or around) is a common double/tripple stack nema23
[08:05:35] <mrsunshine_> http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2697/17500110150101318668648.jpg <-- all of that is hanging in that motor only moving up and down
[08:05:41] <Connor> I don't think I'm getting full torque out of mine because of my controller.. again, cheap chines crap
[08:06:01] <Connor> lovejoy coupler.
[08:06:11] <Connor> nice., TPI of your Z lead screw ?
[08:06:16] <mrsunshine_> Connor, ye, i bought expensive ones so that i would have upgradability and quality stuffs =)
[08:06:29] <mrsunshine_> Connor, its 1.5/mm :P
[08:06:40] <mrsunshine_> inches you get to calculate :P
[08:07:24] <Connor> about a 1/2"
[08:07:25] <mrsunshine_> tho cheap chinese crap mill
[08:07:36] <mrsunshine_> Connor, 1.5 not 15 :P
[08:07:46] <mrsunshine_> or whatever
[08:07:48] <Connor> 1.5 mm right ?
[08:07:57] <Connor> sorry. dropped a . off.
[08:07:57] <Jymmm> .15
[08:08:04] <mrsunshine_> well hmm :P
[08:08:06] <Connor> .059"
[08:08:09] <anonimasu> mrsunshine_: isnt that pretty far from when you were building the stepper drive's :)
[08:08:11] <Jymmm> 9.50
[08:08:14] <mrsunshine_> its 1.5 thread per mm of travel :P
[08:08:22] * anonimasu remembers
[08:08:22] <mrsunshine_> anonimasu, heh :P
[08:08:30] <mrsunshine_> that stepper driver worked =)
[08:08:35] <mrsunshine_> tho only had half step
[08:08:37] <Jymmm> 1/SQRT(5)
[08:09:00] <mrsunshine_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0TjS0N0rwc
[08:09:10] <Connor> my X and Y are 10mm per turn, and the Z is 5mm per turn.
[08:09:18] <Jymmm> Err my bad... 1+ SQRT(5) /2
[08:09:24] <mrsunshine_> Connor, ballscrews?
[08:09:29] <Connor> Yea
[08:09:34] <Jymmm> screwballs!
[08:09:36] <mrsunshine_> mine is just threaded rods realy :P
[08:09:43] <mrsunshine_> tho the table screws are acme
[08:09:51] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/
[08:10:07] <mrsunshine_> the mills column is borked tho, its thinner in the upper parts then the lower parts, making it impossible to get the gibs tight and good :/
[08:11:00] <Jymmm> mrsunshine_: angle grinder
[08:11:11] <mrsunshine_> Jymmm, ough :P
[08:11:21] <Jymmm> mrsunshine_: plasma cutter?
[08:11:22] <mrsunshine_> Jymmm, to cut it into pieces and recast it or what? :P
[08:11:31] <mrsunshine_> Jymmm, what are you talking about? :P
[08:11:36] <Jymmm> mrsunshine_: to "shave" off the excess
[08:11:49] <mrsunshine_> Jymmm, well i wont do it with an angle grinder atleast :P
[08:11:50] <Jymmm> mrsunshine_: the golden ratio
[08:11:51] <mrsunshine_> nor plasma
[08:11:55] <Jymmm> wuss
[08:12:13] <mrsunshine_> sounds about right :P
[08:13:14] <Jymmm> Did you know.... That the Golden Ratio is related to the Fibonacci numbers
[08:13:24] <anonimasu> yes :)
[08:13:34] <Connor> dang ebay china seller doesn't list the bend radius for their drag chain... Ugg..
[08:14:02] <Jymmm> I can only get to 15 digits then the dumb computer poops out
[08:15:22] <Jymmm> Anyone have a spare Super Computer I can borrow for 10 minutes?
[08:19:15] <Jymmm> anonimasu: Hey did you notice any other patterns in the fibinacci umbers?
[08:19:40] <anonimasu> nope just remember it from the math classes in basic school
[08:20:47] <Jymmm> anonimasu: I found a pattern (ODD, EVEN, EVEN)
[08:21:18] <Jymmm> err.. EVEN, ODD, ODD I mean
[08:21:40] <Jymmm> 0,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34...
[08:22:17] * anonimasu nods
[08:22:32] <anonimasu> sounds like something you could prove with induction
[08:22:38] <Jymmm> ?
[08:22:50] <anonimasu> that it's valid for all numbers
[08:22:58] <Jymmm> oh.
[08:23:21] <Jymmm> I have a unroven theory about numbers
[08:23:23] <anonimasu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_induction
[08:23:26] <Jymmm> unproven
[08:24:14] <Jymmm> But as I learn more and more, it seems there is some truth in it.
[08:25:23] <psha> Jymmm: it's obvious that this pattern is recursive
[08:25:37] <psha> fib(n+2) == fib(n+1) + fib(n)
[08:25:49] <psha> so if n+1 is even and n is even then n+2 is odd
[08:26:00] <psha> and so on
[08:26:11] <psha> n+3 is even since n+1 is even and n+2 is odd
[08:26:19] <psha> same for n+4
[08:26:22] <psha> and then it loops
[08:26:27] <Jymmm> But dont look at from a mathematical standpoint and what do you see?
[08:26:43] <psha> Jymmm: i can not look from non-math point ;)
[08:26:51] <Jymmm> oh well
[08:26:52] <psha> i'm mathematician :)
[08:27:00] <psha> 5 years of math in university :)
[08:27:17] <Jymmm> and you STILL haven't learned a thing, tisk tisk
[08:27:35] <Jymmm> ;)
[08:28:21] <Jymmm> Eyes ars kollage edjoomakated
[08:29:11] <psha> i've studied math, not english dialects :-P
[08:29:14] <anonimasu> 6hehe
[08:29:28] <Jymmm> Hard to explain, but I go with we use numbers to explain things, but yet the real understnading is the shape
[08:29:46] <anonimasu> cant quite agree on that
[08:30:12] <Jymmm> Well, Circle is explained as 3.14, conical shape is explained as 1.618, etc
[08:30:19] <psha> Jymmm: use numbers to explain => develop some formal models in numbers => project them back to real world
[08:30:33] <Jymmm> psha: lather rinse repeat
[08:30:45] <psha> :)
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[08:30:50] <anonimasu> Jymmm: actually pi is a integral...
[08:31:06] <Jymmm> anonimasu: what number is in ALL circles?
[08:31:20] <psha> anonimasu: in war time pi may be as large as 4!
[08:31:49] <anonimasu> pi ofcourse
[08:31:55] <Jymmm> which is?
[08:31:57] <psha> and right angle up to 100 degrees
[08:32:12] <anonimasu> I get your point
[08:32:14] <anonimasu> :)
[08:32:15] <Jymmm> =)
[08:32:29] <anonimasu> no the one jymm is trying to make :├p
[08:32:41] <psha> Jymmm: really pi is not 'number of all circles'
[08:32:42] <anonimasu> err not..
[08:32:48] <psha> what's number of geometrical shape?!
[08:33:11] <psha> i'd think 'number of all circles is (x - a) ^ 2 + (y - b) ^ 2 = r ^ 2
[08:33:18] <Jymmm> psha: free your deviant mathematical mind!
[08:33:42] <Jymmm> psha: but that's NOT a number, that's a formula
[08:33:44] <psha> Jymmm: too late :( once it's eaten it not possible to restore it to previous shape
[08:33:59] <psha> only via religious fanatism
[08:34:13] <psha> but it's better to be math-zombie then christ-zombie
[08:34:21] <Jymmm> psha: fuck you and the abacus your rode in on!
[08:34:42] <Jymmm> wair s/abacus/slide rule/
[08:34:45] <anonimasu> I think there's no escape from math :)
[08:34:47] <Jymmm> ;)
[08:35:26] <Jymmm> anonimasu: I think we use math as a way to describer things, like we might use ABC blocks to teach a kid the alphabet
[08:36:12] <anonimasu> it's like once you study about stress and straing and stuff you will always think twice when you get on airplanes :p
[08:37:25] <Jymmm> Well, there's a therory that if you can understnand all the factorial number patterns the wolrd as we know it would come to an end.
[08:39:29] <psha> Jymmm: funny thing is that on last year in university (and in post-grad) there is course of phylosophy of math. it's given such late because younger students may be affected by news that nothing in math is really stable and trusted :)
[08:39:55] <Jymmm> heh
[08:40:40] <psha> and that's really problem - correct definition of numbers is braindamaging...
[08:41:05] <Jymmm> I think it's really shapes, not numbers
[08:41:27] <psha> shapes, numbers... every trivial term becomes something under question///
[08:41:51] <anonimasu> psha: well, that's why the mathematicians are so stuck up on the definition of proof and axioms
[08:41:51] <Jymmm> no, dont think like a mathemation you human slide rule!
[08:42:20] <Jymmm> psha: shapes ARE the proof
[08:42:35] <Jymmm> numbers are used to describe the shape is all
[08:44:27] <Jymmm> psha: If I gave you two numbers: 3.14 and 180, what am I describing?
[09:07:27] <psha> Jymmm: nothing :)
[09:08:06] <psha> first you have to define _where_ you want to describe shapes
[09:08:14] <psha> in R^2, R^3, SO^2, SO^3?
[09:08:20] <psha> Z^2?
[09:08:22] <Jymmm> psha: bullshit, you know EXACTLY what I mean.
[09:08:34] <psha> i _guess_ you thing about half-circle
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[09:09:19] <psha> but really degrees (which you think about 180) are not widely used in math
[09:09:29] <psha> raidans are more simple to deal with
[09:09:45] <psha> and thus your example becomes 3.14 and 3.14
[09:09:49] <psha> what it describes?
[09:09:53] <psha> nothing...
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[12:58:43] <pcw_home> I heard someone wrote that even Pi is wrong, (it should have been 2x its current definition)
[12:58:45] <pcw_home> this would have simplified everything
[12:59:22] <psha> pcw_home: not significantly i suspect...
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[13:00:00] <psha> but if pi is rational or even interger - yes, things will be more simple ;)
[13:02:10] <pcw_home> well diameters are not as natural mathematically as radius's
[13:02:12] <pcw_home> so all the 2 Pis become Pi
[13:02:46] <psha> things where pi is really wide used is complex functional transformations
[13:03:05] <psha> but i don't remember that 2, 4, 1/2, ... coefficients were so annoyng
[13:03:50] <pcw_home> pi radians in a circle, see we just got started wrong...
[13:04:12] <psha> yes, that's true... and 2pi period of main trigonometric functions
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[13:20:53] <jthornton> archivist: LOL neither of my mills have EMC control so they need help with thread milling
[13:21:07] <archivist> jthornton, :)
[13:21:33] <jthornton> but it is a good subroutine and I'll add it to the forum
[13:21:37] <archivist> I thought I would stir it a bit :)
[13:21:56] <archivist> jthornton, its probably a bit raw
[13:22:37] <jthornton> it would be a good addition to the subroutines using ngcgui
[13:22:38] <archivist> I forgot to add the homebrew single point tool too
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[13:24:01] <archivist> jthornton, but yes go ahead
[13:26:04] <archivist> jthornton, iirc that code was last used with http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_cnc_Thread_mill_tool/p1010245.jpg
[13:29:51] <jthornton> cool, I love home made tools that work well
[13:30:14] <jthornton> I have threading tools that use that same kind of insert but on my lathe
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[13:31:19] <morficmobile> 'morning
[13:31:25] <archivist> I have just looked and the worm prog from the video has more in it, including pitch corrections etc
[13:33:45] <DaViruz_> worm program, sounds malicious
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[14:09:35] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/shop/framing/framing.xhtml
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[14:59:02] <mikegg> I bought one of these to power my 7i43/7i33/opto-22
[14:59:03] <mikegg> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270612998405&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
[14:59:24] <mikegg> less than two weeks to get here from HK
[15:00:17] <mikegg> cured the problem I was having of EMC2 turning itself off without any warning
[15:00:37] <mikegg> I guess 500mA through USB is insufficient for all that stuff
[15:06:38] <pcw_home> wow explosion at nuclear power plant in Japan, it just gets worse and worse
[15:08:49] <mikegg> I saw that too. Doesn't sound like the fuel has been compromised though.
[15:09:15] <mikegg> what's a little primary coolant among friends?
[15:12:20] <pcw_home> I guess we get reminded every once in awhile that we live on a little bit of slag crust sitting on a fluid ball
[15:17:09] <mrsun> yeey, got my prototype to the water guard for the motors milled out =)
[15:17:24] <mrsun> worked perfectly, tho for some reason it got a slight bit bigger then the original pattern, dont know why :/
[15:17:30] <mrsun> if its the mill that isnt up to size or something
[15:18:26] <mrsun> or that i clicked in "do finnishing pass" ...
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[15:38:23] <JT-Shop> YaHoo! the last ridge cap is in place :)
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[15:59:17] <Jymmm> congrats
[15:59:51] <Jymmm> but i thought you finished the roof last week
[16:00:56] <jthornton> no, I was almost finished last week
[16:01:03] <Jymmm> ah
[16:01:34] <jthornton> I had to tie in the old roof to the wall of the new shop and put back the ridge cap on the old roof as well as the ridge cap on the new roof
[16:02:08] <Jymmm> ah
[16:02:42] <Tom_itx> latency wouldn't run even after installing the live cd
[16:03:52] <Tom_itx> another odd thing was, as a dual boot, linux used the windows background instead of it's own
[16:04:49] <Jymmm> http://i56.tinypic.com/zivknn.jpg
[16:05:39] <Tom_itx> is there an easy way to uninstall it and get rid of the dual boot?
[16:08:33] <JT-Shop> format c:
[16:09:24] <Tom_itx> yeah i know about that option. i wanted to avoid it
[16:10:09] <JT-Shop> sorry I couldn't resist
[16:10:21] <JT-Shop> who got installed first?
[16:10:31] <Tom_itx> xp pro
[16:11:10] <Tom_itx> the only loss would be time. i have it all elsewhere
[16:11:51] <Tom_itx> i can leave it and run it like it is. i seldom reboot this one anyway
[16:11:54] <JT-Shop> can you just delete partition
[16:11:59] <Tom_itx> maybe
[16:12:09] * JT-Shop is just thinking out loud
[16:12:10] <Tom_itx> i didn't know if it would screw up the dual boot stuff
[16:12:48] <Tom_itx> and i can't resize the partition now
[16:14:18] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: if you dont want to delete the partition, then what do you want to do with it?
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[16:14:55] <Tom_itx> it dosn't run properly so i was gonna get rid of it
[16:15:21] <Jymmm> Ok, then delete the partition
[16:15:23] <Tom_itx> i can delete the partition, it's just that partition magic gripes about it now
[16:15:31] <Tom_itx> and i can't resize it
[16:15:37] <Tom_itx> so it's kinda useless
[16:15:57] <Tom_itx> unless deleting it would fix that
[16:16:39] <Jymmm> it'll become unpartitioned space, so as long as it's consecutive, should't be an issue resizing the other partition.
[16:16:55] <Tom_itx> the issue i wondered about was the dual boot stuff
[16:17:03] <Tom_itx> whether it would mess up the other one by deleting it
[16:17:28] <Jymmm> sure youll have to fix that too
[16:17:35] <Jymmm> not a big deal
[16:18:17] <Tom_itx> i used to know how to do it but i haven't done it in so long i kinda forgot
[16:19:22] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[16:19:28] <Tom_itx> i'll take a stab at it later today
[16:19:45] <Tom_itx> it's not a huge deal either way
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[16:28:08] * JT-Shop has but one task left to do today... wash the bike :)
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[16:34:33] <mrsunshine_> how do i solve cutting deep pockets and profiles :/
[16:34:45] <mrsunshine_> as a 6mm mill aparently has a slightly larger shank then that :P
[16:34:52] <mrsunshine_> atleast seems like it
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[16:35:04] <Jymmm> hack facebook
[16:35:08] <mrsunshine_> got a perfect 56.2mm at the top where the shank has not touched, tho 56.8 at the bottom
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[16:39:06] <Tom_itx> wow, freenode is sure screwed up
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[16:39:21] <Tom_itx> it had all my nicks crosslinked
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[16:43:16] <eik0> anonimasu: :* i love you
[16:43:30] <Tom_L> get a room
[16:45:17] <anonimasu> eik0: I love you too :*
[16:46:54] <mrsunshine_> hmm, relieve the diameter of the shank a bit maybe
[16:47:56] <Tom_L> do or die time
[16:48:39] <Tom_L> comes up with grub rescue> now
[16:48:49] <Tom_L> after deleting the partition
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[16:54:05] <danimal_garage> mornin
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[17:08:32] <Tom_L> that was too easy
[17:09:08] <Tom_L> delete the partition, fdisk /mbr to get the windows boot back, resize the partition.
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[17:15:55] <danimal_garage> is there any way to get touch off to default to whatever work offset you're currently in so you don't accidentally change the wrong work offset?
[17:17:07] <danimal_garage> neither ways are completely foolproof, however i know at least for me, i'm touching off the work offset i'm already in more times than not
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[17:21:01] <Jymmm> Make "always select Z" as your SOP
[17:21:31] <danimal_garage> SOP?
[17:21:45] <Jymmm> SOP == Standard Operating Procedure
[17:22:09] <danimal_garage> ah ok
[17:22:35] <Jymmm> Never make offset the first step basically. It'll become habbit to you after a while
[17:22:50] <Jymmm> first step = select Z, etc
[17:23:13] <Jymmm> learn the mayboard shortcut for it helps too
[17:23:18] <Jymmm> keyboard
[17:24:41] <JT-Shop> Dan, if you use the keyboard to move the Z it is selected automagiclly
[17:24:47] <danimal_garage> i dont care if it's z, i touch off the other axii just as often
[17:25:10] <danimal_garage> i just dont want to touch off G55 when i'm in G59.1
[17:26:19] <danimal_garage> i think it should default to the work offset you're actually in rather than the offset you last touched off
[17:33:36] <JT-Shop> oh the touch off box
[17:34:04] <JT-Shop> I guess it depends on what your doing as to what makes more sense I guess
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[17:35:23] <danimal_garage> yea
[17:35:35] <danimal_garage> more of a preference thing
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[17:41:36] <JT-Shop> I think there is a g code that does that, if so you could just add some pyvcp buttons to do that for you
[17:44:12] <danimal_garage> interesting
[17:44:49] <JT-Shop> but I might be full of shit and not know it so I'll go look
[17:45:25] <Jymmm> might?
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[17:46:45] <JT-Shop> yep, looks like I'm full of shit
[17:46:56] <Jymmm> Ok, just asking ;)
[17:47:17] <Jymmm> go polish some chrome and get bugs in your teeth
[17:47:37] <JT-Shop> done with that, not much chrome on the bike as I don't like it
[17:47:45] <JT-Shop> almost nap time
[17:47:45] <skunkworks> so - when I am rapiding on the y axis (vertical axis) going up - at the end of the acceleration - there is a following error spike. (around 1.8 tousands) nothing seems to effect it. (not that it is a big deal)
[17:48:10] <skunkworks> between the accelleration and cruise phase
[17:48:14] <JT-Shop> an overrun?
[17:48:24] <skunkworks> yes
[17:48:39] <JT-Shop> moving too much mass too fast?
[17:48:53] <danimal_garage> skunkworks, servos?
[17:48:58] <skunkworks> maybe - I guess lowering the accelleration would help
[17:49:00] <skunkworks> yes
[17:49:03] <JT-Shop> is it counter weighted?
[17:49:26] <skunkworks> hydraulic counterbalance
[17:49:40] <JT-Shop> in rapid does it matter if your off 0.0018"?
[17:49:44] <skunkworks> maybe the hydraulics actually push it
[17:49:51] <JT-Shop> might
[17:49:59] <skunkworks> JT: probaby not :)
[17:50:24] <danimal_garage> i'd be happy with .0018"
[17:50:26] <JT-Shop> have a cold one one me then and relax the rest of the afternoon
[17:50:39] <danimal_garage> my ferror is set at .014
[17:50:44] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Have you replaced the Y Flux Capacitor lately?
[17:50:51] <skunkworks> at a g1 move at 50ipm - halscope dosen't trigger with the trigger set at .00001
[17:51:08] <danimal_garage> skunkworks, now you're just showing off
[17:51:09] <JT-Shop> yea, I would not sweat that
[17:51:10] <skunkworks> I guess I should just stop ;)
[17:51:17] <JT-Shop> that's what I thought too
[17:51:55] * JT-Shop wanders off for a well deserved nap after 12 weeks of busting ass to get the shop up
[17:52:27] <Jymmm> Then justify the other naps you took yesterday
[17:52:34] <skunkworks> well - I was looking at it because the max ferrror is set to .005 and it tripped. (so I played with tuning) and noticed it. (it is cold in here0
[17:53:02] <skunkworks> ok - not going to worry about it./
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[17:54:00] <skunkworks> sorrry - trigger was set to .0001 - I can't show off that much
[17:54:15] <Jymmm> mm or in ?
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[18:00:16] <danimal_garage> a potential customer wants to pay via wire transfer
[18:00:37] <Jymmm> westen union?
[18:00:38] <danimal_garage> he's in Jakarta
[18:00:43] <danimal_garage> he didnt mention
[18:01:12] <danimal_garage> never did one before
[18:01:18] <danimal_garage> i think i'll say no
[18:01:30] <danimal_garage> since i've never heard of that country
[18:01:46] <Jymmm> It's a city in Indonesia
[18:01:51] <danimal_garage> ah makes sense
[18:02:08] <danimal_garage> judging by the email addy
[18:02:33] <Jymmm> If it's via Westrn Union, Idon't think there should be an issue, just find out what fees are involved
[18:02:44] <Jymmm> as well as currency exchange rates
[18:03:07] <Jymmm> And he has to pay in advance
[18:03:12] <danimal_garage> i dont even know how those work
[18:03:27] <danimal_garage> do i go to western union and they give me cash?
[18:03:29] <Jymmm> You goto any WU office and ask for your money
[18:03:36] <danimal_garage> ah
[18:04:23] <danimal_garage> If it wasnt a decent sized order i probably would say no
[18:04:40] <danimal_garage> and it's always pay in advance
[18:04:51] <danimal_garage> with a 2-3 week lead time
[18:13:32] <Jymmm> Seems there are 40+ Western Union stations in Jakarta, Indonesia
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[18:14:10] <danimal_garage> eh, i guess i can say yes
[18:14:17] <danimal_garage> a bit of a hassle, but no biggie
[18:14:24] <danimal_garage> worth it for that sale
[18:14:42] <Jymmm> charge accordingly for the PITA factor
[18:15:19] <Jymmm> dont forget shipping fees too
[18:15:49] <danimal_garage> i ship internationally all the time, including to Indo
[18:15:58] <danimal_garage> i just never did a wire transfer
[18:16:03] <Jymmm> ship what?
[18:16:16] <danimal_garage> my products
[18:16:23] <danimal_garage> bike parts
[18:16:33] <danimal_garage> www.homebrewedcomponents.com
[18:16:44] <Jymmm> Wait, he wants to do a wire transfer or TT ?
[18:16:58] <danimal_garage> he said wire transfer
[18:17:20] <danimal_garage> my biggest dealer is in Japan :(
[18:17:41] <danimal_garage> hopefully he's still there
[18:17:44] <Jymmm> Eh, that's different.
[18:18:08] <Jymmm> Wire transfer is funds from his bank account to your bank account.
[18:18:14] <danimal_garage> oh i know, just thinking of the earthquake
[18:18:34] <Jymmm> Tell him you'll do Western Union instead.
[18:18:35] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, i won't do that
[18:18:38] <danimal_garage> yea
[18:19:37] <danimal_garage> i wonder how bad Tokyo was effected?
[18:19:41] <danimal_garage> if at all
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[18:19:55] <danimal_garage> i know it wasnt the epicenter by any stretch
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[18:20:05] <Jymmm> Calif was effected, $2 Million in damages so far
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[18:20:17] <danimal_garage> eh, that's 1 boat
[18:20:22] <Jymmm> Just in the Santa Cruz area
[18:22:45] <psha> danimal_garage: wow, nice ones
[18:24:08] <danimal_garage> thanks!
[18:25:04] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: what do you do with the internal waste of the titanium chainrings?
[18:25:19] <danimal_garage> throw it in a box
[18:25:26] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: then what?
[18:25:33] <danimal_garage> havent gotten that far yet
[18:25:35] <IchGuckLive> danimal_garage: are this yours the bicycle chain plates
[18:25:50] <danimal_garage> IchGuckLive, yes
[18:26:05] <IchGuckLive> i biked about 60km today at a wonderful Sunny Day in Germany
[18:26:15] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: ah, I might have a project for you for the scraps =)
[18:26:16] <danimal_garage> nice
[18:26:24] <IchGuckLive> met around 300 other cyclist
[18:27:20] <danimal_garage> cool
[18:27:34] <danimal_garage> i sell stuff to Germany sometimes
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[18:27:45] <IchGuckLive> http://www.mtb-park-pfaelzerwald.de/en_index.php
[18:27:46] <danimal_garage> road or mountain bike?
[18:28:01] <IchGuckLive> around Ramstein AFB
[18:28:10] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: how thick are the scraps? and what is the MAX dimension (avg) ?
[18:28:25] <danimal_garage> ah i have some customers stationed there i think
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[18:29:06] <IchGuckLive> alot of stones break alot of chainplates by pasing them in a Hurry
[18:29:24] <danimal_garage> .125", about 2.5-2.8" in diameter
[18:29:26] <IchGuckLive> you can see the marks of the plates
[18:29:43] <danimal_garage> 6al4v
[18:29:47] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: do you do any polishing?
[18:29:58] <danimal_garage> IchGuckLive, titanium is the answer!
[18:30:11] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, kinda
[18:30:28] <IchGuckLive> that will resault in deeper marks at the Sandstone
[18:30:33] <danimal_garage> i dont typically offer it
[18:31:17] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Ok, what kind of finish are you doing for the chainrings themselves?
[18:31:56] <danimal_garage> for ti? i use scotchbrite type pad on a D/A sander
[18:32:06] <danimal_garage> makes them look like the pics
[18:32:16] <Jymmm> so a brushed finish basically
[18:32:28] <danimal_garage> quite a bit better than that
[18:32:37] <danimal_garage> but not mirror
[18:33:30] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: and the aluminum, scraps in a box too?
[18:33:43] <danimal_garage> yea but i recycle that
[18:33:52] <danimal_garage> i get much more al scrap than ti
[18:34:12] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Could you anodized all edges of the scrap?
[18:34:55] <Jymmm> s/edges/faces/
[18:35:06] <danimal_garage> i suppose i could anodize any aluminum as long as i had a way to hold it
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[18:38:23] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: PM?
[18:38:48] <danimal_garage> pot metal?
[18:38:50] <danimal_garage> oh
[18:39:35] <IchGuckLive> is this waterjet cut danimal_garage
[18:39:52] <danimal_garage> no, all CNC mills and lathes
[18:40:52] <IchGuckLive> the shape is good for Waterjet
[18:41:18] <IchGuckLive> or as it is the same shape with the teeth punch
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[18:50:58] <danimal_garage> IchGuckLive, waterjet doesn't do a nice enough job
[18:51:15] <danimal_garage> it's noisy when you ride it
[18:51:37] <IchGuckLive> what the bike?
[18:51:46] <danimal_garage> yes
[18:56:33] <IchGuckLive> no no noice thanks to NASA Omnigliss
[18:57:53] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: we get wire transfers from our biggest customer and it is painless
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[19:02:49] <IchGuckLive> wire transfers = EDM
[19:02:57] <IchGuckLive> sorry german here ?
[19:06:00] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop, i guess i'm just skeptical
[19:06:15] <danimal_garage> IchGuckLive money transfers
[19:06:35] <IchGuckLive> via Paypal O.o
[19:06:48] <IchGuckLive> bye got to go
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[19:07:17] <JT-Shop> you can verify with your bank that the transfer has been made... I did that the first few times myselg
[19:07:20] <JT-Shop> myself
[19:08:12] <JT-Shop> btw Dan that is some nice products you make
[19:10:40] <danimal_garage> thanks JT-Shop!
[19:11:21] <tom3p> will 2.5 branch be gotten by 'git clone git://git.linuxcnc.org/git/emc2.git emc2-dev' ?
[19:11:33] <danimal_garage> i wonder how much my crappy little bandsaw is going to like cutting 7" diameter 7075 bar stock
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[19:13:32] <JT-Shop> tom3p: you have to do a git checkout branch_2.5 or something along those lines
[19:14:01] <JT-Shop> you might be able to do a git clone ... 2.5
[19:16:16] <tom3p> hmm, i was wonder what i'd get with that command ,
[19:16:17] <tom3p> because the desc on the web page says you get 'By default, you will get files from "master", which is the name for the branch where new feature development takes place'
[19:16:50] <tom3p> not familair with git, actually trying to get a clean starting point
[19:17:03] <JT-Shop> for 2.5?
[19:18:04] <tom3p> i'm not trying to get 2.5, i'm trying to know what to expect, sorry
[19:18:42] <JT-Shop> ok, git clone will get you master, git checkout (branch name) will get you the branch
[19:18:57] <tom3p> and master is .... what version
[19:19:05] <JT-Shop> no version
[19:19:18] <JT-Shop> it is master, ahead of any versions
[19:19:18] <tom3p> the thng i get has no version?
[19:19:52] <tom3p> ok, thats a concept that i dont 'git' a-tall
[19:19:57] <JT-Shop> at this point master will be 2.6 one day I assume as 2.5 branch has been created
[19:20:24] <danimal_garage> 2.6 is going to be released soon??
[19:20:26] <JT-Shop> before the 2.5 branch was created master was called ~pre 2.5
[19:20:37] <JT-Shop> 2.5 anin'
[19:20:45] <JT-Shop> ain't even released yet
[19:22:18] <alex_joni> master is ~pre-2.6 currently
[19:22:43] <alex_joni> but the next release will probably be a 2.4.7 (with bugfixes)
[19:22:55] <alex_joni> and after a longer period of time a 2.5.0, then 2.5.x
[19:23:06] <alex_joni> eventually (in a year or so) there will be a 2.6.0
[19:23:21] <alex_joni> maybe more/maybe less, depends on how things carry on
[19:23:38] <danimal_garage> wow i just got 2.5pre
[19:23:57] <danimal_garage> you guys move fast!
[19:24:06] <alex_joni> danimal_garage: 2.5pre is an older master (maybe 1-2 weeks old)
[19:24:18] <danimal_garage> hey what are the odds of adding more work offsets?
[19:24:30] <alex_joni> low
[19:24:31] <alex_joni> :D
[19:24:35] <danimal_garage> darn lol
[19:25:32] <danimal_garage> i always run out
[19:25:33] <JT-Shop> how many do you need Dan?
[19:25:52] <danimal_garage> a few extra would definitely help
[19:26:16] <JT-Shop> wow
[19:26:30] <JT-Shop> ok, I'm off for a bike ride with the wife
[19:26:39] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop, i have over 1400 different products
[19:26:41] <alex_joni> enjoy JT-Shop
[19:26:48] <danimal_garage> have fun, ride safe!
[19:27:06] <alex_joni> danimal_garage: but you can always hack the software to suit your need ;)
[19:27:17] <danimal_garage> haha
[19:27:33] <danimal_garage> i just found out what sudo does
[19:28:04] <danimal_garage> the odds of me getting tweaking anything and having it functional are slim to none
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[19:29:23] <danimal_garage> hal still puzzles me sometimes :)
[19:32:37] <danimal_garage> and i'm certainly not complaining, EMC is awesome
[19:37:00] <anonimasu> scary stuff
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[20:41:22] <kirk_wallace> Hello. I was trying to upload to the Wiki ModIO page yesterday and got an upload limit error. The upload went fine today. Does anyone know what the quota is, and the time period?
[20:43:25] <danimal_garage> looks like changing the current settings on my drives fixed the issue, at least for now
[20:45:34] <pcw_home> Did it lower the performance?
[20:46:18] <danimal_garage> not that i can tell
[20:46:37] <danimal_garage> i did lower the accel a hair but i did that before
[20:46:43] <danimal_garage> i havent tried raising it again
[20:48:36] <pcw_home> You would think the drives would throw a fault or _something_ to tell you that they are mucking up their I/O
[20:49:02] <danimal_garage> yea, especially considering what these things cost new
[20:49:11] <mrsunshine_> yey hope i have a machinable wax lump to test to mill something funny in tomorrow =)
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[20:50:24] <pcw_home> is this the home made machinable wax?
[20:51:03] <mrsunshine_> aye
[20:51:46] <pcw_home> cooking it outside?
[20:52:39] <mrsunshine_> ... :P
[20:54:40] <mrsunshine_> pcw_home, why ? :)
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[20:58:33] <danimal_garage> do you think the Japanese are offended by the movie Godzilla?
[20:59:01] <kirk_wallace> I have an application where I run 'halrun foo.hal' form a terminal. When I exit the app, I get a 'halcmd:' prompt where I need to type quit, then 'exit' from the terminal. What I'd like to be able to do is set up an icon to open foo then exit back to the desktop, but so far I can only exit to 'halcmd:'. Any ideas?
[21:00:02] <andypugh> Does halrun source foo.hal work? (This is me guessing)
[21:00:38] <andypugh> Ah, actually checking the docs, try halcmd -f foo.hal
[21:01:21] <andypugh> It also seems that halrun -U foo.hal might work.
[21:01:21] <andypugh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halcmd.1.html
[21:01:57] <andypugh> No, actually reading more carefully, forget that -U idea.
[21:02:52] <pcw_home> mrsunshine smoke and fire hazard? parafine at 350F is a bit scary to me
[21:03:14] <kirk_wallace> kwallace@emc2-5:~/emc2/homann/modio_config$ halrun -U -I h_modio_config.hal
[21:03:14] <kirk_wallace> RTAPI: ERROR: could not open shared memory (errno=2) ....
[21:04:20] <morficmobile> anyone in here have Mastercam and VirtualGibbs experience by any chance?
[21:06:37] <kirk_wallace> ´╗┐morficmobile: Not me,sorry. Is there a chance your question is more generic?
[21:08:15] <morficmobile> nope, i used both, but not recent enough to give much of an opinion about either as they currently are, was just wondering if i could solicit some more recent, live opinion about both
[21:08:23] <mikegg> I'm using BobCAD/CAM
[21:08:27] <mikegg> sigh
[21:08:38] <morficmobile> BobCAD makes you sigh?
[21:08:50] <mikegg> it has it's quirks
[21:08:56] <mikegg> but all in all it's not too bad
[21:09:07] <mikegg> I have the solidworks plugin
[21:09:11] <andypugh> Last time somebody mentioned they used BobCAD it elicited expressions od sympathy
[21:09:50] <mikegg> you have to be careful about what you pick as your geometry for the tool path
[21:10:07] <mikegg> and the help file is pretty helpful
[21:11:31] <danimal_garage> i have mastercam experience
[21:12:05] <danimal_garage> what do you need to know?
[21:13:15] <danimal_garage> i use x3, it's pretty decent
[21:14:12] <danimal_garage> but i have nothing to compare it to except older versions of mastercam
[21:15:57] <kirk_wallace> The -I (interactive) parameter in halrun seems to tell halrun to hang around which seems reasonable, but without it, the app comes up does one pass and disappears. Maybe put a loop somewhere? If so, then how to get out of the loop?
[21:19:49] <morficmobile> danimal_garage: the comparison would be the thing i am curious about
[21:21:01] <morficmobile> like when you create geometry manually, do you always have to pick what kind of line you want to create? ( i am wondering how mastercam will be at those times where we program before the solid is done)
[21:22:13] <mrsunshine_> pcw_home, well i see to it that it doesnt get to hot :P
[21:22:15] <morficmobile> i am used to pick bound or unbound, then based on where on an existing line i click i automatically get the possible line parallel, perpendicular, angle from point, without trips to menu bar every time
[21:22:29] <mrsunshine_> just hot enough for the plastic to melt but not to make smoke =)
[21:25:24] <danimal_garage> morficmobile, when you enter the line's start, you can enter the length, and move the mouse around and it snaps at parrellel and perpendicular points, or you can just enter an angle as well
[21:25:39] <danimal_garage> or you can just type the endpoint
[21:26:08] <danimal_garage> or it will snap to another line's endpoint or a circle's tangentpoint, etc
[21:26:33] <danimal_garage> it's fairly decent, but it doesnt hold relations like solidworks
[21:28:18] <danimal_garage> if it's a somewhat involved sketch, i just do it in solidworks.
[21:29:01] <danimal_garage> it's WAY better than mastercam 9
[21:31:03] <andypugh> Not on Linux, but Alibre does all that pretty well, and is only $99
[21:32:42] <psha> kirk_wallace: depends on app
[21:33:47] <kirk_wallace> psha: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?ModIO , files near the bottom.
[21:34:27] <kirk_wallace> psha: The app is h_modio_config
[21:34:39] <danimal_garage> andypugh, i suspect the expensive part of mastercam is the toolpath generation
[21:35:16] <andypugh> I am not sure how good (or expensive) the Alibre CAM is, but it works with Freemill
[21:36:19] <psha> ^$^#! by default .c files are opened with notepad!
[21:36:23] <morficmobile> danimal_garage: thanks, helpful info, this just shows we have to fight for time :) , so we don't misjudge mastercam and virtualgibbs
[21:36:58] <psha> in wine!
[21:40:48] <morficmobile> danimal_garage: how is mastercam on tool clearances on lathe cycles? like if i cut a smaller OD behind a flange, does it know not to rapid through the flange, or do i have to tell it a retract X larger than the flange diameter?
[21:41:38] <psha> kirk_wallace: h_modio_config is not terminated? or terminated with signal?
[21:41:43] <danimal_garage> i believe it has stock recognition
[21:41:46] <skunkworks> can you get say - cylinder bores chromed?
[21:41:54] <skunkworks> (random)
[21:41:55] <psha> if you place some debug prints in signal handler you'll get some info
[21:42:03] <andypugh> psha: It's worse that that, Notepad doesn't wrap on unix line-ends
[21:42:15] <andypugh> skunkworks: Yes
[21:42:28] <andypugh> skunkworks: google Nikasil
[21:42:35] <skunkworks> andypugh: thanks
[21:42:36] <psha> kirk_wallace: locking may be due to locked serial device
[21:44:13] <morficmobile> danimal_garage: esprit doesn't :) so making sure you are clear adds so many more X values it makes "this is a similar part, let's start with that" so much less fun
[21:44:35] <morficmobile> danimal_garage: ok, i'll leave you be, this at least keeps my bias towards virtual gibbs in check :)
[21:44:44] <psha> kirk_wallace: sorry, late here, head to bed
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[21:45:11] <kirk_wallace> I think we are talking about two different problems. The older problem is getting a looping CR that locks up the PC requiring a power off reset.
[21:45:13] <danimal_garage> morficmobile, i think i generally tell it not to rapid through the part. If it is selected in the toolpath, it will not rapid through it, however i think you'd have to use stock recognition otherwise (and i have no clue how to use that, or what it does)
[21:45:32] <kirk_wallace> psha: okay thanks, g'night
[21:45:36] <andypugh> Thinking about Mesa's 8-axis servo board. I have a firmware which supports two. Who would ever need 16 servos on one PC?
[21:47:46] <danimal_garage> andypugh, i'd use a few channels for encoders and analog outputs
[21:47:57] <pcw_home> We have a customer using a 48 stepgen config...
[21:48:21] <morficmobile> danimal_garage: i hope i have time to plop down and read the manuals, in 2.2GB, some of that has to be manuals. just it's not intuitive the way it is (to me </imho>)
[21:48:22] <andypugh> Do they drool? :-)
[21:48:33] <kirk_wallace> ´╗┐andypugh: Lathe with spindle as axis, tool changer, part extractore and 12 live tools?
[21:48:52] <andypugh> Stepper-driven live tools?
[21:49:02] <pcw_home> Loom I think
[21:49:14] <kirk_wallace> Oops.
[21:49:16] <andypugh> Could be step-dir servos I suppose
[21:49:50] <danimal_garage> morficmobile, i've never looked at the manual, i just learned by doing
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[22:03:52] <morficmobile> danimal_garage: you what's cool for that? Virtual gibbs' "balloons", like a larger version of a tool tip, nice way to go "wonder what the options i usually don't use on this dialog do", so you actually just work on the part, but also soak in a lot of "oh i need to try this next time"
[22:08:15] <danimal_garage> yea thats cool
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[22:10:37] <mikegg> I just got a tormach R8 collet and one of their tool holders
[22:10:50] <mikegg> it's kinda cool
[22:11:03] <mikegg> air cylinder should be here wednesday
[22:13:17] <cpresser_> any hints how to center a endmill in its collet? i got a new end-mill which is about 3" long. unfortunately it runs a little excentric.
[22:14:10] <cpresser_> it gives a lot of vibration.. an worst, i cant work exact
[22:14:21] <cpresser_> the collet is a ER11 type
[22:15:29] <mikegg> are your spindle bearings tight?
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[22:16:14] <mikegg> the lock nut on my spindle has worked loose with vibration in the past
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[22:23:12] <cpresser_> good point, i will check that
[22:24:32] <tom3p> make sure the collet seat is concentric and clean,
[22:24:33] <tom3p> put the tip of your indicator on the seating surface and spin by hand.
[22:25:04] <tom3p> the tool in the collet will never be better than that reading
[22:25:06] <morficmobile> cpresser_: they are not designed to be anything but concetric, check if you have runout on the collet taper itself, a little bit there is worse 3" further away from there
[22:25:24] <morficmobile> tom3p: always beating me to what i type! :)
[22:26:04] <morficmobile> time to go home, have a great evening gentlemen
[22:26:12] <tom3p> gnite
[22:27:45] <cpresser_> i should get a 'real' spindle, not that DIY-Crap i am using now :/
[22:27:53] <tom3p> i cant open any of the supplied .ui files in gladevcp , always segfaults
[22:28:58] <tom3p> anyone have luck with gladevcp?
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[22:53:35] <danimal_garage> is there any ways to change the max accel for an axis without restarting emc?
[22:53:42] <danimal_garage> like with halcmd or something?
[22:54:34] <alex_joni> halcmd setp axis.*.max-vel or such
[22:55:00] <alex_joni> there is also a tuning utility which can set some params, can't recall if maxvel is one of them
[22:56:31] <danimal_garage> ah cool thanks
[22:56:59] <danimal_garage> machine calibration doesnt set vel or acel
[22:57:07] <danimal_garage> not sure if thats what you ment
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[23:03:24] <alex_joni> danimal_garage: probably
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[23:24:09] <MattyMatt> cpresser_: your "DIY-Crap" sounds like my next significant upgrade :) ER11+608s wiil be better than the dremel I'm using now
[23:27:15] <MattyMatt> the ER11 straight shank chuck I'll get costs $15, but there's a £45 equivalent which has good reviews
[23:28:52] <MattyMatt> the cheap one http://cgi.ebay.com/ER11-8MM-STRAIGHT-SHANK-CHUCK-CNC-MILLING-LATHE-D66_W0QQitemZ150573752140
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[23:36:10] <MattyMatt> a pair of ABEC7 608s and that should be OK IMO
[23:37:24] <MattyMatt> I can't find the posh one ATM, which has rave reviews on the lines of "no measurable runout, needle hardly wobbles so less than 0.0001"
[23:40:24] <MattyMatt> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mini-ER11-extension-collet-chuck-12x160mm-Shank-NEW-/370491212133
[23:41:00] <MattyMatt> they quote the same review on all their sizes, so I won't take that as a guarantee :)
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