#emc | Logs for 2011-02-16

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[00:12:42] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop, no
[00:12:50] <danimal_garage> i put the old motor back on for now
[00:12:57] <danimal_garage> i gotta order a new one
[00:13:03] <danimal_garage> this one was the wrong rpm anyways
[00:13:14] <danimal_garage> i got it at the surplus yard for cheap
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[00:22:45] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/asus%20m2n68-am%20plus%20motherboard%20with%20amd%20phenom%20x4%209600b%20%28quad%20core%202.3ghz%29.jpg
[00:23:02] <skunkworks> not too bad.
[00:23:49] <danimal_garage> a little high, huh?
[00:23:58] <danimal_garage> totally workable though, huh?
[00:24:10] <skunkworks> rigth
[00:24:19] <danimal_garage> my old pc was about the same
[00:24:29] <skunkworks> that was on board video and running totally off the livecd
[00:24:38] <skunkworks> about 20+ minutes
[00:25:25] <JT-Shop> don't you love watching youtube on a CNC machine :)
[00:26:51] <PCW> even 50 or 100 uSec of latency is not to important to a 1 KHz servo loop
[00:27:02] <PCW> s/to/too
[00:27:07] <skunkworks> Yes!
[00:27:37] <skunkworks> PCW: correct. that is pretty decent for step generation also.
[00:27:59] <JT-Shop> it became evident this morning that my soldering iron is too big to solder a SOIC chip :/
[00:28:04] <skunkworks> I just got some of these motherboard/cpu's in and wanted to test them.
[00:28:12] <danimal_garage> the only issues i've ever had was with longer programs
[00:28:26] <danimal_garage> it would take forever to load
[00:28:31] <skunkworks> I think that is the same motherboard that is in the k&t but would have to look (only a 2 core though ;))
[00:28:42] <danimal_garage> what mobo?
[00:28:59] <PCW> I think the 6 core phenom has troubles however
[00:29:08] <skunkworks> asus m2n68-am plus
[00:30:11] <JT-Shop> is this one any good? http://www.sparkfun.com/products/85
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[00:31:20] <skunkworks> I only have experience with a weller station. work good
[00:31:39] <JT-Shop> I have an Unger but can't find tips for it
[00:31:44] <skunkworks> my i7 has issues with the current live build
[00:32:06] <skunkworks> but it is a laptop so I don't really care ;)\
[00:32:08] <JT-Shop> but it only has two settings "too hot" and "too cold"
[00:32:15] <skunkworks> heh
[00:32:40] <skunkworks> the k&t was done with a few different sizes of pencil irons ;)
[00:32:43] <JT-Shop> so you have to toggle back and forth as you solder
[00:33:21] <Jymmm> Valen: But I need them in SS - to be used around foodstuffs
[00:33:39] <Jymmm> nothing link zinc poisoning
[00:33:45] <danimal_garage> lol
[00:37:06] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: A branding iron != soldering iron
[00:37:56] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: yea I know I make branding irons for liquid nitrogen branding
[00:43:07] <danimal_garage> you can brand liquid?
[00:43:37] <JT-Shop> yea you dip the brand in the liquid then brand the calf
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[00:43:55] <JT-Shop> how about this one? http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WESD51-Digital-Soldering-Station/dp/B000ARU9PO
[00:43:59] <danimal_garage> ah
[00:44:12] <JT-Shop> cold branding vs hot branding
[00:44:35] <JT-Shop> "this will only hurt a little bit, so hold still..."
[00:46:03] <JT-Shop> http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brands/cf_files/model_detail.cfm?upc=037103191328
[00:47:14] <danimal_garage> i have 12mb of programs in my mill
[00:47:22] <danimal_garage> i thought programs were tiny
[00:47:48] <danimal_garage> like a few kb
[00:48:00] <JT-Shop> depends on your program :)
[00:48:13] <danimal_garage> ah i just looked, they're like 400kb
[00:48:23] <JT-Shop> time to strap on the feed back here
[00:55:43] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: that is what I have.
[00:55:48] <danimal_garage> save some for me!
[00:55:49] <skunkworks> (welller)
[00:56:17] <skunkworks> I like it.
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[01:10:34] <Valen> danimal_garage: that latency thing, it might have been interval or something?
[01:10:53] <danimal_garage> i dunno
[01:11:08] <danimal_garage> i'm having issues now with positioning
[01:11:28] <danimal_garage> in the y axis
[01:11:31] <danimal_garage> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[01:11:48] <Valen> sucky
[01:12:18] <danimal_garage> everything is friggin far away from the cables
[01:12:24] <danimal_garage> and the drive
[01:12:27] <danimal_garage> i dont get it
[01:13:12] <Valen> need a scope man
[01:13:34] <Valen> this your encoder axis?
[01:13:43] <danimal_garage> no encoders on any axis
[01:13:46] <danimal_garage> all resolvers
[01:14:06] <Valen> ahh I thought you still had some stepper axies
[01:14:34] <Valen> whats your velocity trace look like?
[01:15:17] <danimal_garage> i dont know
[01:15:48] <Valen> whats the nature of the positioning error?
[01:18:07] <danimal_garage> the machine is not in the right position, however it thinks it is
[01:18:17] <danimal_garage> in the y axis
[01:19:09] <Valen> is it behind or infront?
[01:19:58] <danimal_garage> i dont know
[01:20:05] <danimal_garage> i homed it already
[01:20:21] <danimal_garage> it does it when a program is running
[01:22:38] <Valen> have you tried your tuning stuff with the spindle on?
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[01:26:47] <danimal_garage> no
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[01:30:52] <Valen> might be the spindle is causing noise?
[01:31:20] <danimal_garage> likely
[01:31:31] <danimal_garage> i'm trying a new ground on it now
[01:31:55] <danimal_garage> it was the case before, but the drives and cables are really far away from it now
[01:33:16] <Valen> it could be coupled through mains if its nasty enough
[01:33:44] <danimal_garage> weird, seems to be off the same exact amount every time now
[01:33:54] <danimal_garage> about .003"
[01:34:10] <danimal_garage> hmmm
[01:34:34] <danimal_garage> if my backlash compensation is off, will it multiply some error over time?
[01:34:40] <danimal_garage> it shouldnt, right?
[01:34:54] <danimal_garage> no
[01:36:36] <danimal_garage> scratch that, no backlash adjustment in there anyways
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[01:52:08] <Valen> shouldn't cause that
[01:52:13] <Valen> could it be error in your screw?
[01:53:11] <danimal_garage> no
[01:53:23] <danimal_garage> this machine has been running fine for 30 years
[01:53:36] <Valen> just mentioning the options thats all
[01:53:50] <Valen> if its repeatable
[01:54:06] <danimal_garage> oh i know, that wasnt a snap towards you, just venting my frustration :)
[01:54:07] <Valen> is it happening at the same spot on the machine or the same spot in rotation of the screw?
[01:54:31] <Valen> if its on the same part of rotation it could be the resolver
[01:55:15] <danimal_garage> it's electrical noise most likely, it works fine if i just jog it back and forth
[01:55:23] <danimal_garage> it only screws up durring a program run
[01:55:34] <danimal_garage> which means it's likely noise from the spindle
[01:56:05] <danimal_garage> i'm just working on grounds right now
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[02:22:35] <danimal_garage> looks like that may have fixed it
[02:22:55] <danimal_garage> i just ran a part and it went back to zero
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[02:39:07] <Valen> odd for electrical noise to be that repeatable really
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[02:42:36] <danimal_garage> yea
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[03:02:23] <danimal_garage> yea, appears to be fixed
[03:02:30] <Valen> bonus
[03:02:34] <danimal_garage> ran another part and it's still spot on
[03:02:47] <danimal_garage> that's good news
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[03:06:05] <pcw_home> PIty your resolver converters don't make a wider index pulse, slowing the encoder max rate would make it more robust against electrical noise
[03:06:54] <danimal_garage> yea
[03:07:34] <pcw_home> (assuming the noise is getting in the quadrature wires and not the resolver wires)
[03:07:37] <danimal_garage> it's weird that z would work with the slower max rate, but not the others
[03:08:21] <pcw_home> I bet theres some buried parameter that sets the index width
[03:08:50] <pcw_home> (since with a resolver the index is artificial anyway)
[03:08:59] <danimal_garage> pcw_home, my guess is that it's the quad wires, because i'm pretty sure the drive would fault otherwise
[03:09:46] <pcw_home> are they shielded twisted pairs?
[03:09:53] <danimal_garage> yes
[03:09:57] <danimal_garage> cat 6
[03:10:41] <danimal_garage> only about 18" long at most
[03:11:12] <pcw_home> it take quite a lot of noise to mess up differential signals (+12V/-7V common mode minimum)
[03:11:15] <Valen> I'd be more worried about noise in the resolver wires myself
[03:11:28] <Valen> being analog
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[03:13:04] <jrshaul> I just joined a hackerspace with a CNC mill. AFAIK, it accepts standard Gcode.
[03:13:15] <Valen> jrshaul: sydney one?
[03:13:18] <pcw_home> Normally the way the resolver data is processed rejects most noise
[03:13:19] <jrshaul> I don't really know squat about how to CNC something beyond "DXF goes in, MDF goes out."
[03:13:23] <jrshaul> Madison, Wisconsin.
[03:13:28] <jrshaul> What do I do now?
[03:13:28] <Valen> nvm then lol
[03:13:45] <Valen> jrshaul: your looking for CAM software
[03:13:49] * Jymmm lol @ jrshaul
[03:14:12] <jrshaul> I know what CAM software is. I just don't know if there's a "CNC for Dummies" book out there so I don't screw up the machine.
[03:14:41] <Jymmm> jrshaul: Sure, you hear POP or screeching, you screwed up
[03:14:43] <Valen> worry more about the tools lol
[03:14:45] <toastydeath> jrshaul, my strong recommendation is to learn gcode
[03:14:50] <toastydeath> rather than relying on cam
[03:14:55] <jrshaul> !
[03:15:00] <jrshaul> Oh, well.
[03:15:01] <toastydeath> cam is a+ awesome
[03:15:07] <Valen> you get to learn what a very expensive "plink" sounds like
[03:15:08] <jrshaul> 70% of what I need to do is making circles in MDF.
[03:15:10] <toastydeath> but learn the fundamentals
[03:15:18] <Jymmm> jrshaul: Screw learning, wear kevlar and ANSI shielding
[03:15:22] <jrshaul> The other 30% is making things that can't really be done in Gcode.
[03:15:24] <toastydeath> gcode is pretty good at making circles
[03:15:33] <Jymmm> so is a string
[03:15:34] <toastydeath> well, it can be done in gode, and is done, it's just done by computer
[03:15:35] <jrshaul> I also need to make what looks like the mouth of a french horn.
[03:15:48] <toastydeath> although you can do it by hand, you just have to know how to code that way
[03:15:50] <jrshaul> Compound curves galore. :(
[03:15:51] <danimal_garage> the weird thing is once i switched to the servos, my monitor is a little distorted
[03:16:03] <toastydeath> lots of cam packages are really bad at coming up with exact curves anyway
[03:16:13] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: put your glasses back on
[03:16:16] <toastydeath> so much so that there are special packages for making surfaces like impeller blades
[03:16:19] <Valen> danimal_garage: unshielded motors I'm guessing
[03:16:21] <atmega> usable CAM seems to be pretty expensive
[03:16:24] <toastydeath> and then those surfaces are imported into CAM
[03:16:27] <danimal_garage> it's got like a ripple in it
[03:16:30] <Valen> CRT monitor? really those are still around ;->
[03:16:38] <danimal_garage> lcd
[03:16:47] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: STEP AWAY FROM THE BOOSE!!!
[03:16:54] <Valen> uhh ripples in a LCD is a bad thing
[03:16:56] <danimal_garage> the ripple changes a little if i feed
[03:17:05] <Valen> like break out the lead underware time
[03:17:22] <Valen> I hope your feeding the monitor over VGA cable?
[03:17:28] <danimal_garage> yes
[03:17:36] <Jymmm> No, this is the ripple he has.... http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/2515262428_ae90bed9ae.jpg
[03:17:38] <toastydeath> my old co-worker used to program macros to do parabolic surfaces
[03:17:45] <Valen> VGA has like 40 volt signaling in it
[03:17:49] <Valen> as i recall
[03:18:10] <jrshaul> I'd figure someone had figured it out by now...;(
[03:18:42] <Valen> figured what out?
[03:19:02] <Jymmm> 42
[03:19:06] <Valen> 6*7
[03:19:23] <Jymmm> SQRT 5
[03:19:39] <jrshaul> How to do compound curves with a milling machine.
[03:19:58] <Valen> called CAM software
[03:20:01] <toastydeath> you have to use either expensive surface modeling software that can export into mastercam
[03:20:13] <toastydeath> or you have to write a macro that will generate the toolpath
[03:20:18] <Jymmm> turn the left wheel faster than the other wheel till you get half way yhen reverse the process
[03:21:01] <danimal_garage> hit up bit torrent
[03:21:08] <danimal_garage> get yourself mastercam
[03:21:10] <danimal_garage> :)
[03:21:13] <Valen> √-1
[03:21:15] <toastydeath> I think emc has an advantage here in the macro thin, iirc
[03:21:18] <toastydeath> *thing
[03:21:20] <Jymmm> get arrest
[03:21:28] <Valen> mastercam is too big
[03:21:34] <Valen> get rhinocad + cam ;-P
[03:21:40] <Jymmm> Valen: whats the significance of that?
[03:21:41] <toastydeath> because the language is more robust, and the tool vector is handled in a better way
[03:21:46] <Valen> thats actually feasable to do legit
[03:22:11] <Valen> Jymmm: its an imaginary number?
[03:22:44] <Jymmm> Valen: Mine (SQRT 5) was actually significant to the conversation =)
[03:22:55] <Valen> you could write some python to make a specific curve if it was a simple mathamatical function
[03:23:27] <Valen> Jymmm: how so?
[03:23:29] <Jymmm> Valen: 1+SQRT5/2
[03:23:45] <Jymmm> Valen: The Golden Ratio
[03:24:47] <Valen> still not really seeing the relevance here
[03:25:14] <Valen> theres heekscnc jrshaul
[03:25:23] <Valen> might do stuff your after
[03:25:35] <Jymmm> Valen: I guess you would need to understand what the golden ratio has "purpose" in.
[03:26:34] <pcw_home> fibonacci numbers ratio converges to the golden ratio
[03:26:54] <Jymmm> so do the pyramids and other things too
[03:27:25] <Valen> still not seeing how its more or less relevant than 6*7 ;-P
[03:53:52] <pcw_home> maybe not more relevant but a prettier number 1/X +1 = X (if you solve this by repeated substitutions you will see how the fibonacci series is related)
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[04:01:58] <danimal_garage> they didnt teach that stuff on sesame street
[04:02:48] <danimal_garage> so it's above my education
[04:05:38] <pcw_home> fibonacci is just counting funny
[04:07:09] <jrshaul> Valen: It just might.
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[07:30:56] <Valen> crap http://www.st.com/internet/analog/product/248573.jsp?wt.mc_id=enews_feb11_flexspin
[07:31:00] <Valen> $11 in onsies
[07:31:07] <Valen> theres your 4 axis stepper driver lol
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[07:56:32] <mrsunshine> on one chip ? :P
[07:56:54] <mrsunshine> what can it take, 100mA per drive? :P
[07:57:39] <mrsunshine> 2.5A on 2 bridges and 1.5A on two
[07:57:41] <mrsunshine> wtf =)
[08:01:10] <archivist> a lot on one chip but not enough amps for a typical cnc
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[08:08:29] <Valen> not a big one lol
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[08:36:47] <MattyMatt> dammit 4 bridges not 5
[08:37:02] <MattyMatt> I'm looking for a neat 5 phase driver solution
[08:37:22] <MattyMatt> 3x L298 is the best I can think of so far
[08:42:32] <MattyMatt> most 5ph steppers you can get are pentawired tho. so 10 mosfets would do just as well as h bridges
[08:45:18] <MattyMatt> I'm having trouble working out how penta wiring works, but I can build 5 halfbridges and find out :)
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[08:48:28] <MattyMatt> am I right when I tell people that 0.45deg 2 phase motors will be ~4x slower than 1.8deg?
[08:49:07] <MattyMatt> smaller steps = lower max speed and there's not much a driver can do to help that?
[08:50:21] <archivist> read the spec for the motor invilved
[08:52:55] <Valen> more volts ;->
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[11:46:18] <mk0> how strong is the dependence between RAM clock (DDR3 1066 and 1600 MHz) and latency in emc2?
[11:46:38] <archivist> little
[11:47:00] <archivist> you would be looking at the wrong spec
[11:47:27] <mk0> so there is no need to buy 1600 instead of 1066?
[11:48:20] <archivist> latency is often video or power management
[11:50:00] <archivist> lack of ram and using swap could/would be a problem
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[12:01:31] <mk0> good news, thank you
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[14:19:41] <alex_joni> Jymmm: around?
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[14:41:35] * ries wonders if the linuxcnc site get's a new look/feel one of these days...
[14:42:09] <atmega> it's good of you to volunteer to do so.
[14:43:24] <ries> seems like not a easy task... lot's of spreaded docs..
[14:44:13] <atmega> I have faith in you.
[14:44:24] <ries> hehehe :)
[14:44:59] <mk0> why should it get a new look? o_0
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[14:45:49] <ries> mk0: look and feel.. not saying it should be web2ish with light blue colors and light gray texts nobody can read...
[14:46:01] <ries> I was just wondering...
[14:46:32] <mk0> oh i thought emc2_3 is out ;)
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[17:00:01] <danimal_garage> good morning
[17:03:12] <mk0> it's 7 p.m.
[17:07:26] <danimal_garage> 9am
[17:08:08] <atmega> noonish
[17:08:38] <davec_> 10:09
[17:08:44] <awallin> mm 7pm
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[17:29:33] <JT-Work> 11:33
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[17:52:08] <damik1> Hi, I was looking for the parameter to change the G73 chip-break clearance. Its presently 0.010" and I need to increase it.
[17:52:34] <cradek> hi, it cannot be changed without recompiling
[17:53:11] <damik1> That is not a problem, what do I need to change?
[17:53:40] <cradek> andy pugh says it's G83_RAPID_DELTA in interp_internal.hh
[17:53:51] <cradek> from the name you'll notice it changes G83's behavior too
[17:54:04] <cradek> if you want to change only G73, you'll have to split them apart.
[17:54:35] <damik1> I am happy to have them both changed
[17:55:17] <cradek> if you can find a good way to make that configurable and submit a patch to the project, we could get your change incorporated so you can upgrade in the future without recompiling.
[17:55:47] <cradek> frankly I am not sure how it should be configured.
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[17:59:10] <cradek> we do not use numbered parameters in this way for anything else
[17:59:21] <cradek> probably it should be in the RS274NGC section of the ini file
[17:59:25] <cradek> the default should be the current value
[18:00:15] <cradek> be on the lookout for units issues dealing with this value
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[18:04:27] <damik1> Thank-you. I am getting source code now.
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[18:18:33] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONxVoAXadTk
[18:26:47] <Connor> That yours skunkworks ?
[18:30:25] <skunkworks> no - just something I ran across
[18:31:09] <Connor> It looks really good.. already a need for a few extra buttons.. toggle for mm/inch and additional buttons to turn on vacuum etc..
[18:31:30] <Connor> I'm using a Logitech Gamepad for mine right now..
[18:32:39] <IchGuckLive> is this board internal on the PC connected to the parport?
[18:33:04] <Connor> what board ?
[18:33:04] <IchGuckLive> ther is a usb -B plug on it
[18:33:15] <Connor> On the pendant?
[18:33:17] <IchGuckLive> the board in the vid
[18:33:40] <Connor> It's Arduino based, so, it uses USB to talk to the PC. (USB-to-Serial)
[18:34:10] <Connor> so, no it doesn't talk to the parport.
[18:34:18] <IchGuckLive> and how is it connected to DRO
[18:34:32] <Connor> serial again. Uses the EMC DRO
[18:35:03] <Connor> It's not standalone.. you have to have the PC with EMC running..
[18:35:41] <IchGuckLive> ok but you can control the Buttons of the EMC from a different place
[18:35:56] <IchGuckLive> and se the coordinates
[18:36:23] <Connor> right. This would be useful to use if your PC isn't right at the machine and your trying to change bits, or setup your work etc etc.
[18:37:01] <IchGuckLive> Arduino is this the manufacture or the boardname
[18:37:16] <IchGuckLive> im in Germany can i buy this in europ to
[18:37:20] <Connor> I like the thumb sticks for Jog control, cause I can control both X and Y at the same time, but, that has issues..
[18:37:37] <Connor> Arduino is a very common Micro controller board.
[18:37:41] <Connor> Opensource.
[18:38:56] <Connor> He basicly made a nice looking Keypad Ardunio shield..
[18:41:55] <IchGuckLive> 17,75 euros from hongkong
[18:42:39] <IchGuckLive> so is it a basicly a io board and the lcd is serial to
[18:43:29] <IchGuckLive> there are some variants mega 368 and others
[18:43:30] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Ardunio is an open source hardware microcontroller. just google "arduino" and you'll get millions of hits
[18:43:49] <IchGuckLive> thanks
[18:43:50] <Jymmm> it's based off of Atmel uC's
[18:44:12] <Jymmm> the blue board http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flajZMff28U&feature=related
[18:44:13] <IchGuckLive> im using the STK500 and Bascom since years
[18:51:10] <IchGuckLive> i will get me one of this and try my own
[18:54:59] <Connor> Dang.. he doesn't have any schematics, or code or anything so people can do this themselves....
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[19:03:07] <IchGuckLive> on his homepage is a start
[19:09:50] <Connor> yea, but, nothing mcuh, he clearly states in his blog he's not posting anything much about it yet.
[19:11:33] <IchGuckLive> till it is ina finisheed state
[19:12:15] <IchGuckLive> the state he now has woudt do the job for most of us
[19:13:30] <IchGuckLive> this brings me to a question is there a key where i can change the jogamount on the keboard so i do not have to use the mouse ?
[19:14:03] <Connor> shift and ctrl shift with area keys changes speeds
[19:14:06] <JT-Work> look in help for all the key assignments
[19:14:18] <Connor> with arrow keys I mean
[19:14:33] <IchGuckLive> ah
[19:14:46] <archivist> IchGuckLive, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/12642 how to assign keys
[19:15:08] <IchGuckLive> thanks
[19:16:42] <archivist> !wench learn axis keys is http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/12642
[19:16:43] <the_wench> I have learnt axis keys is http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/12642
[19:19:32] <IchGuckLive> i checkt now all keys but the jog is not changed in standart Axis 2.5
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[19:21:42] <IchGuckLive> ok got to go Bye for today i orderd a board from hong kong for me !!
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[20:00:39] <mrsunshine> what do you think about water cooling a three phase motor by pressing copper tubing between the things that stick out ? :P
[20:01:27] <cradek> it's customary to use a fan...?
[20:02:14] <mrsunshine> fans make noise :P
[20:02:36] <cradek> so do water pumps
[20:03:16] <mrsunshine> meh :P
[20:03:37] <mrsunshine> waterpump is easier to sound isolate :P
[20:04:09] <atmega> motors generally make noise.
[20:04:34] <mrsunshine> true :P but its so quiet now without a fan and new bearings
[20:04:39] <mrsunshine> cant even hear it run :P
[20:07:06] <mrsunshine> gah want my timing pulleys and stuff now, it has gone out of england atleast on course to sweden, but how long does it take over seas there :P
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[20:10:25] <danimal_garage> yay i got a new motor for my saw, and it's the correct one
[20:10:49] <danimal_garage> a little more powerful, but same frame size
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[20:29:35] <mrsunshine> hmmm, any way to know how much stronger a mtoor gets with a screw?=
[20:29:49] <mrsunshine> what power ratio you get, say for a 2mm pitch screw with motor directly connected to it
[20:32:17] <cradek> The largest tap and die company to exist in the United States was Greenfield Tap & Die (GTD) of Greenfield, Massachusetts. GTD was so irreplaceably vital to the Allied war effort from 1940-1945 that anti-aircraft guns were placed around its campus in anticipation of possible Axis air attack.
[20:34:54] <danimal_garage> interesting
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[21:46:40] <Connor> Hmm... Magnetic Linear encoder.....
[21:46:46] <Connor> Interesting...
[21:47:39] <Connor> resolution @ 0.015mm
[21:49:56] <Connor> That accurate enough for EMC ?
[21:55:08] <Jymmm> cradek: ping
[21:55:44] <Jymmm> cradek: In autocad, when you have a single object selected, what happens when you "RIGHT CLICK"?
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[23:00:37] <L84Supper> Connor: it's not of a question of whether or not it's accurate enough for EMC but whether it is accurate enough for your application
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