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[12:35:35] <lilalinux> Can I include other files from a ngc file?
[12:35:51] <jthornton> yes
[12:37:23] <jthornton> lilalinux:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode_main.html#r3_7
[12:44:40] <lilalinux> ty
[12:46:14] <lilalinux> Can't I use G9[#2] to get G90/G91 via a parameter?
[12:47:26] <lilalinux> of course it works with G[#2] and passing 90/91
[12:47:46] <lilalinux> ok, that'll do
[12:49:43] <jthornton> try G[9#2]
[12:54:59] <lilalinux> thx
[12:55:46] <lilalinux> nope, didn't work
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[13:08:45] <cradek> G[90+#2]
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[13:46:17] <lilalinux> cradek: good point
[13:47:22] <skunkworks> logger[psha]: ping
[13:48:18] <lilalinux> jthornton: including only works for numbered files, although the linuxcnc docs mention named files, too
[13:48:31] <lilalinux> is that a bug or a pebkac?
[13:49:35] <lilalinux> "Unknown work starting with t" the file is called test.ngc, contains otest sub and otest endsub, and is called via otest call
[13:49:52] <lilalinux> with test replaced by a number it works
[14:01:16] <skunkworks> this is kinda neat -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mach1mach2cnc/message/124458
[14:01:40] <psha> lilalinux: you have to use o<name> instead of oname
[14:01:44] <skunkworks> (history of mach)
[14:01:51] <lilalinux> oh, i see
[14:01:52] <lilalinux> thank you
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[14:45:39] <JT-Shop> ha! my BP if you tell it tool 0 it grabs tool 1
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[15:16:21] <dgarr> any interest in a latency stripchart plotter?:
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/latencyplot.png
[15:16:29] <dgarr> the script:
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/latencyplot.tcl
[15:19:05] <psha> dgarr: you fetch current value of latency in userspace?
[15:19:05] <cradek> that's neat
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[15:19:35] <dgarr> psha: no, it pipes the rtai distro latency test
[15:20:31] <psha> latency test provides stream of sampled values or just max and current values readout?
[15:20:55] <JT-Shop> dgarr: that's pretty cool
[15:21:01] <dgarr> stream of values averaged over a 1 sec interval (i think)
[15:24:30] <psha> jeff added nice scope2 module to fetch sampled values but it's not in master yet
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[15:44:10] <IchGuckLive> Hi all and happy new year from Rainy germany
[15:44:47] <IchGuckLive> Question does anyone now if i can build a EMC driller for homeuse?
[15:45:03] <IchGuckLive> EDM not emc
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[15:49:23] <JT-Shop> I've seen some plans on the web for tap burners
[15:51:42] <cradek> there has been some discussion about that on the emc-users list a few times
[15:51:53] <cradek> seems like gene h and jon e had both done it, with some success
[15:55:32] <IchGuckLive> emc users list is this on wiki?
[15:55:40] <cradek> no, I mean the mailing list
[15:56:02] <cradek> made last night:
http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/little-pcbs.jpg
[15:56:45] <IchGuckLive> nice mille or chemical#
[15:56:49] <cradek> milled
[15:57:12] <JT-Shop> how small is it?
[15:57:23] <IchGuckLive> cutter wars cone or 0.3mm cylinder
[15:57:24] <cradek> the square IC pad pitch is 0.8mm center-center
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[15:57:31] <cradek> cone
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[15:57:49] <JT-Shop> cool
[15:58:05] <JT-Shop> you using an air spindle?
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[15:58:12] <cradek> nope, wish I was
[15:58:24] <IchGuckLive> Proxxon ß
[15:58:44] <cradek> just 6000 rpm here
[15:58:48] <JT-Shop> what RPM can your mill do?
[15:59:00] <JT-Shop> mine will do 6k as well
[15:59:16] <psha> cradek: what's depth of cut?
[15:59:24] <cradek> ideally you'd have 20-40k for these tools
[15:59:33] <IchGuckLive> my proxxon works with 25.000rpm at 20Dollar cost
[15:59:47] <cradek> psha: for the trace isolation part, I cut 0.0055" deep with the cone tool
[16:00:04] <cradek> = .14 mm
[16:01:00] <IchGuckLive> this is realy good work the cone is 0.2mm with flat?
[16:01:04] <psha> in the middle is place for tqfp32 like parts?
[16:01:12] <cradek> psha: yes it is tqfp44
[16:01:23] <psha> oops, fail to count legs ;)
[16:01:36] <psha> that's _great_ :)
[16:02:05] <IchGuckLive> maid with EAGLE
[16:02:07] <cradek> IchGuckLive: the cone is 2 flute like this:
http://www.thinktink.com/stack/volumes/voli/store/mechmill.htm
[16:02:25] <cradek> the big picture on the left looks like the tools I use
[16:03:20] <IchGuckLive> then i agree this will not make a engrave cone
[16:03:57] <IchGuckLive> whi are there filds of no copper inside dident you hook only outline ß
[16:04:29] <cradek> it gets cut away where it is disconnected from the ground plane
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[16:05:07] <IchGuckLive> did you do that in eagle ?
[16:05:18] <cradek> yes
[16:05:38] <IchGuckLive> there you can press the butten leave ilands
[16:06:05] <IchGuckLive> but its cool anyway
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[16:06:36] <IchGuckLive> tool ege 20Deg or 15
[16:06:46] <cradek> 60
[16:08:03] <IchGuckLive> this is only VHM not dimand
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[16:13:26] <skunkworks> cradek: what'ya making?
[16:13:35] <skunkworks> very nice btw
[16:13:36] <cradek> a clock
[16:13:37] <cradek> thanks
[16:13:41] <skunkworks> neat
[16:13:55] <cradek> I got a rubidium atomic time standard and I want a neat clock made out of it
[16:13:57] <atmega> for a DIY stratum 1 NTP server
[16:14:25] <skunkworks> you are the time guy :)
[16:16:00] <IchGuckLive> is thee in the USA also a DCF77 clock signal in the air
[16:16:11] <cradek> yes similar, called WWVB from Boulder CO
[16:16:38] <IchGuckLive> B)
[16:16:55] <cradek> I have made several clocks that use that signal, it is very nice to have
[16:17:04] <cradek> but this one will keep time by itself!
[16:18:05] <IchGuckLive> i ru DVF77 inti a DC1307
[16:18:52] <IchGuckLive> i run DcF77 into a DS1307 <-
[16:19:11] <IchGuckLive> and read out with ATMEL
[16:19:44] <IchGuckLive> this is battery bufferd cr2032
[16:20:16] <IchGuckLive> runs now for maybee 8years exactly to time a cammera
[16:21:42] <IchGuckLive> ok i will order sutch a tool tomorrow and try my owt test with it
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[16:24:12] <skunkworks> I have also used that type of cutter for circuit board milling. Works really well
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[16:42:27] <bdale> skunkworks: I sat up last night and successfully reverse engineered and hacked the firmware on the charge pump board so that it can handle a 1 khz heartbeat input, and with that I'm back to a single thread running everything at 2 khz, and the rtai errors are gone!
[16:42:45] <skunkworks> Great!
[16:43:17] <bdale> in between meetings today I'll try to get the limit switches hooked up, then it'll be time to reinstall the head and see if we can cut something...
[16:43:33] <skunkworks> I know when I was playing with the pluto - I might have gotten .5ms - but I don't thing I ever tried .1ms
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[16:44:52] <bdale> just hadn't thought about the fact that maybe the pluto servo tasks needed more time to run than I was giving them .. appreciate that insight a lot
[16:45:08] <skunkworks> no problem. I like the easy solutions :)
[16:45:20] <bdale> me too
[16:47:13] <skunkworks> You still need to post some pictures :)
[16:47:39] <skunkworks> I would love to see what professional boards look like ;)
[16:48:14] <skunkworks> *looks
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[17:00:06] <bdale> to his credit, Arturo just replied to my email asking for source with a thoughtful not not immediately useful reply .. can't wait to see what he thinks when he hears I've already reverse engineered the board and fixed my problem. ;-)
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[17:12:37] <lilalinux> how do I disable RT warnings in sim_axis hal?
[17:13:08] <cradek> you could run the nonrealtime sim version, if you don't need to control machinery
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[17:27:41] <lilalinux> thank you
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[18:43:15] <lilalinux> emc2 cuts something different than shown in the preview?
http://bilder.sayegh.de/paste/emc-fail.png.html
[18:43:52] <cradek> need more information than that
[18:44:23] <lilalinux> i'll upload the files
[18:44:46] <cradek> ok
[18:46:09] <cradek> I see the helical component is from Z[#5 - #6]. If those are different during preview generation than during runtime, this is expected. It depends where they come from.
[18:46:36] <lilalinux> :-/
[18:46:50] <lilalinux> so this isn't considered wrong?
[18:47:00] <cradek> need more information
[18:47:20] <lilalinux> :-)
[18:47:24] <cradek> if #5 comes from an analog input during gcode execution, of course it might be different than when the preview was generated
[18:47:26] <lilalinux> can I send you the files via email?
[18:47:36] <cradek> it is not WRONG that it's different
[18:47:45] <cradek> no, use a pastebin service
[18:47:50] <lilalinux> it's not an analog input
[18:47:51] <cradek> then put the URL here so everyone can see them.
[18:47:54] <lilalinux> only computed
[18:48:14] <lilalinux> hang on
[18:49:37] <lilalinux> http://download.lilalinux.net/fail.tar.gz
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[18:53:57] <cradek> lilalinux: is it wrong on every path? I am not seeing a problem yet.
[18:54:15] <lilalinux> I'll continue
[18:54:17] <lilalinux> hang on
[18:55:17] <lilalinux> depends on what you mean by "all paths"
[18:55:24] <lilalinux> I cut the same part 4x4 times
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[18:55:29] <lilalinux> and all of these are wrong
[18:55:29] <cradek> yes there is a grid of 16 things
[18:55:35] <cradek> interesting - not the case here
[18:55:39] <lilalinux> equally wrong
[18:55:49] <lilalinux> but you see it in the screenshot?
[18:56:04] <cradek> yes I see it in yours
[18:56:16] <cradek> is the path or the preview wrong in yours?
[18:56:25] <lilalinux> the path
[18:56:28] <lilalinux> the preview is fine
[18:56:43] <lilalinux> the highes point should be 1.666
[18:56:48] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/lilalinux-ok.png
[18:57:19] <lilalinux> do you get 1.666 as z for the highes point?
[18:57:44] <lilalinux> I'm using 2.4.3
[18:57:57] <cradek> yes 1.666 mm
[18:58:35] <lilalinux> I'll restart
[18:58:51] <cradek> #6 is not set anywhere in your fail.ngc code
[18:59:15] <cradek> set #6=0 in MDI or take the #6 out
[19:00:43] <lilalinux> wow
[19:00:47] <lilalinux> after restarting it works
[19:00:54] <cradek> you had a value in #6
[19:01:02] <cradek> check your gcode
[19:01:23] <lilalinux> I see
[19:01:40] <lilalinux> sounds reasonable
[19:01:50] <lilalinux> thank you
[19:01:52] <cradek> welcome
[19:02:18] <cradek> please lay off the "fail" stuff next time - just ask for help without accusing - it was hard for me to help you because of that.
[19:02:36] <lilalinux> sorry for that
[19:02:45] <lilalinux> it wasn't meant to accuse
[19:02:55] <cradek> no problem - glad it was easy to figure out
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[20:10:27] <atmega> really.
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[22:11:32] <andypugh> I think I need some git pointers before I make things worse:
http://pastebin.com/2hBMH78k
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[22:40:55] <alex_joni> http://www.google.ro/images?q=241543903
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[22:52:14] <andypugh> <confused>
[22:52:34] <andypugh> Was that linked to my question?
[22:53:11] <JT-Shop> andypugh: when I git confused I just create a new emc2-dev...
[22:53:50] <andypugh> Yeah, but I have months of uncommitted stuff I would rather like to not have to rewrite
[22:54:14] <JT-Shop> can't you just stash it
[22:54:19] <andypugh> ?
[22:54:38] <andypugh> I couldn't even find it.
[22:54:53] <JT-Shop> your stuff?
[22:55:10] <andypugh> I tried to rebase so that I could submit it as a patch, and it all went wrong
[22:55:53] <JT-Shop> there is a way to back up somehow, jepler did it for me once
[22:55:54] <andypugh> I think I rescued most of it, as I inadvertantly stashed it by emailing it to somebody on wednesday
[22:56:26] <andypugh> Yeah, you can back up if the commits still exist, it seems that rebase --skip just loses the commit you skip...
[22:56:43] <JT-Shop> ouch
[22:58:13] <andypugh> I think I have it all back. I guess I need to recompile and run the tests again to be sure though...
[23:02:42] <JT-Shop> good to hear
[23:03:59] <andypugh> Apart from the testing part, you have no idea how complicated this stuff is. :-)
[23:05:29] <andypugh> bldc.comp can have about 20 different combinations of the 50 input pins
[23:05:59] <andypugh> (sorry, 50 is the total count of inputs, outputs and parameters)
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[23:07:24] <JT-Shop> you have to have your mind deep inside to keep all that straight
[23:07:50] * JT-Shop has another 16' of his giant puzzle standing up
[23:07:58] <andypugh> Yeah, the hardest part is proving to be documenting it.
[23:08:15] <andypugh> _I_ understand what it all does, but that doesn't mean I can explain it
[23:08:38] <JT-Shop> that is the hardest part for me I have to understand it to write the documents
[23:09:39] <andypugh> I have made a start here:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BLDC
[23:10:06] <andypugh> It needs to be a short treatise on motor control before it can explain what the components do and how they fit together.
[23:12:02] <JT-Shop> looks like a good start
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[23:12:47] <andypugh> I feel to be in a good position to write a motor article, having just got to grips with how they work, but not being so familiar that it seems obvious
[23:13:40] <andypugh> I have noticed I am getting towards that latter state with HAL questions on the forum now, which is a pity.
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[23:23:57] <PCW> Hi Andy
[23:26:04] <JT-Shop> Hi Peter
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[23:27:49] <JT-Shop> pcw: do you have any clues where I might source some 2.5mm two wire panel jacks for some plug in thermistors?
[23:34:08] <andypugh> Hi PCW
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[23:39:11] <andypugh> Writing docs is useful, you notice the stuff you got wrong. My checking of the 7i64 driver didn't involve net-ing the inputs to anything, so I didn't notice that the digital ins were created as input pins in HAL
[23:41:16] <PCW> JT: not offhand is that like a mini phone jack?
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[23:41:52] <JT-Shop> I guess it is like the ones on cheap temperature probes you get from wally world and such places
[23:42:05] <JT-Shop> the little digital ones
[23:42:31] <JT-Shop> rat shack only has stereo and power jacks
[23:43:33] <PCW> andy: Yes the inputs are fairly useless if you cant read them
[23:43:57] <PCW> maybe digikey is your best bet for a few pieces
[23:44:39] <JT-Shop> Thanks, I'll have to look again and see if I can find some at digikey or mouser
[23:55:22] <andypugh> is this the little "banana" plug style?
[23:55:38] <andypugh> one next to the other?
[23:56:31] <elmo40> banana plugs are great for audio. anything else I wouldn't trust them.
[23:56:40] <elmo40> I want a nice solid contact point.
[23:56:51] <andypugh> I find them useful on multimeters
[23:57:06] <andypugh> We may be talking of different things
[23:57:55] <andypugh> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/1/4/8/4/1/3/t2639006-250-thumb-Banana%20Plugs%20%28spring%29.jpg?d=1247600223
