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[01:42:24] <skunkworks> bookmark
[01:42:24] <the_wench> http://emclog.archivist.info/
[01:42:28] <skunkworks> heh
[01:42:45] <archivist> I knew I had somewhere :)
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[03:10:08] <JT-Shop> is there a way to install the liveCd from a thumb drive? I thought I saw that somewhere but can't find it...
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[03:22:49] <gezar> I hope everyone has had a great 2010
[03:22:57] <JT-Shop> so far
[03:23:03] <JT-Shop> but it ain't over yet
[03:23:31] <gezar> Quoted For Truth
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[03:27:13] <gezar> im on a win box, havent had a clean lin install for some time now too many win friendly things for school are required.
[03:28:16] <JT-Shop> yea, this is a winblows box too here
[03:46:48] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
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[05:19:54] <leo__> anybody ever blown up a mesa 7i33ta?
[05:20:58] <gezar> I have not
[05:20:59] <leo__> how do I tell how far I blew it up?
[05:21:08] <cradek> 'anybody' is a pretty wide question
[05:21:30] <leo__> let me clarify... anybody else
[05:21:43] <cradek> I've blown up (or seen blown up) 0.5 mesa products
[05:22:02] <leo__> i don't think there was smoke from the 7i33
[05:22:15] <gezar> it has been a while since I have been around, so take this lightly, I can only imagine they are expensive, but how much smoke you let out of it, may let you know.
[05:22:21] <leo__> but was from the pico resolver to quadrature converter board
[05:23:03] <leo__> now no counts seen in hal from the board the resolver board was tied to... already replaced the resolver board, it faired poorly
[05:23:06] <cradek> ouch
[05:23:25] <leo__> anyway, I know how I managed it
[05:24:13] <gezar> cradek are you still developing?
[05:24:26] <cradek> no, I'm pretty much fully grown at my age
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[05:24:56] <gezar> I hope that made you laugh as much as I. I mean on EMC
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[05:25:10] <cradek> oh! yes occasionally.
[05:25:38] <cradek> signs point to me being the 2.5 release manager
[05:26:31] <elmo40> interesting.
[05:26:36] <elmo40> and how is it coming along?
[05:26:53] <gezar> well, I spent the last year deep in the hells of java, and Its time for me to jump back into C a bit as my schooling winds down, I will be taking an agressive look at EMC, not as part of school work, but its time I put some work into things
[05:26:55] <cradek> it's getting there, we think. It's kind of tough to know for sure.
[05:27:37] <cradek> bbl
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[05:30:05] <leo__> loadrt mux16 and loadrt time crash in my halfile..... do I need to be on a specific version?
[05:34:52] <leo__> where from gezar?
[05:35:05] <gezar> in central arkansas
[05:35:13] <leo__> southeast iowa
[05:35:21] <gezar> Ill be back in a bit, got to run to the store
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[06:02:01] <leo__> mux16 users here?
[06:06:10] <leo__> if I leave loadrt mux16 in my halfile I get a can't find module error
[06:06:24] <cradek> ok ... maybe you don't have mux16
[06:06:45] <leo__> is there a way to install it
[06:06:50] <leo__> ?
[06:06:55] <cradek> hm, does look like it's in 2.4
[06:07:00] <cradek> what version of emc?
[06:07:09] <leo__> the screen says 2.4.6
[06:07:21] <cradek> what's the exact error message?
[06:08:57] <leo__> hm_2-sabre.hal:62: Can't find module 'mux16' in /usr/realtime-2.6.24-16-rtai/modules/emc2
[06:09:10] <leo__> 5751
[06:09:27] <leo__> pid tty stat time command
[06:09:36] <leo__> stopping realtime threads
[06:09:52] <leo__> does the same things with loadrt time
[06:09:54] <cradek> hmmm... checking
[06:11:16] <cradek> time and mux16 are not in 2.4.6
[06:11:33] <leo__> that explains it
[06:11:57] <leo__> so should I substitute another command ?
[06:11:58] <cradek> it is a doc bug that there's a mux16 manpage in 2.4.6
[06:12:05] <leo__> or is this an oversight?
[06:12:20] <cradek> no, they're just newer than 2.4.6
[06:12:35] <cradek> you've probably copied a hal file from someone running git master
[06:12:49] <cradek> looks like you've got mux8 in 2.4.6
[06:13:21] <cradek> maybe you can make do?
[06:15:40] <leo__> maybe
[06:15:59] <leo__> what version do I need for them to exist?
[06:16:34] <cradek> git master
[06:17:40] <leo__> i can make my way to the git site, how do I download master?
[06:17:55] <leo__> and does it require ubuntu 10?
[06:19:07] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2
[06:19:53] <cradek> it will take some committment to get it running - it's unreleased development code you will have to build.
[06:23:04] <leo__> ok
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[06:51:21] <leo__> not exactly light reading for a noob to linx on that page in compilation
[07:17:49] <leo__> is there a simple trick to make it a separate install or does it overwrite?
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[08:51:21] <KimK> leo__: Where in SE Iowa? I'm a little N of Ames at the moment.
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[12:27:09] <jthornton> psha: can I use a regular glade text entry box in GladeVCP?
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[13:02:04] <psha> jthornton: sure
[13:02:25] <psha> gladevcp is just extension to regular Gtk widtets
[13:03:10] <JT-Shop> ok, I didn't see one in the hal section so I thought I'd ask
[13:03:51] <JT-Shop> I'm making a drilling calculator tab for my lathe so I need to input some values
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[13:04:30] <psha> but you are on your own with regular widgets - use userfuncs to bind controls to them
[13:06:27] <JT-Shop> basically I put in the drill diameter and pick the material and it calculates RPM (with a cap) and IPM so for information only
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[13:28:52] <Valen> ey happy new year slowpokes ;->
[13:29:36] <JT-Shop> Valen: is an early bird :)
[13:29:56] <nullie> GMT+9 ?
[13:29:57] <Valen> gotta be first (ish) at something ;->
[13:30:04] <Valen> +11 atm i believe
[13:30:09] <nullie> wow
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[13:39:15] <awallin_> aus or nzl ?
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[13:45:37] <Valen> australia
[13:45:42] <Valen> anyway nighty night
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[13:48:43] <Farthen> can i somehow prevent AXIS/EMC to react on g20/g21? because many gcode generators (including emc examples) try to change the system to inches and i don't want them to.
[13:49:05] <JT-Shop> that's a job for your post processor
[13:49:21] <awallin_> write a python script that comments out all g20/21s
[13:51:08] <JT-Shop> or changes the g20's to g21's
[13:51:09] <archivist> one needs the gcode to scale properly dont comment it out, fix the gcode generator
[13:51:24] <JT-Shop> what archivist said
[13:51:45] <Farthen> ok, i may do that
[13:51:48] <JT-Shop> Farthen: to answer your question directly, no
[13:52:15] <Farthen> it's just a little bit annoying when this happens xD
[13:52:33] <JT-Shop> smack the programmer on the head when it happens
[13:53:36] <Farthen> IIRC some of the emc examples do that -.-
[13:53:48] <nullie> hehe
[13:53:52] <JT-Shop> do what?
[13:54:01] <Farthen> change the system to inches
[13:54:31] <JT-Shop> it is proper programming to put either G20 or G21 in the preamble of a g code file
[13:54:41] <archivist> well some of the examples were developed in the states
[13:54:57] <Farthen> sure but they don't ask and don't warn you about that ;)
[13:55:20] <archivist> I set my machine to metric but a lot of my gcode is in inches
[13:55:25] <JT-Shop> don't ask what and warn you about what?
[13:55:36] <Farthen> about them wanting to change the metric system
[13:55:42] <archivist> why would you need a warning
[13:56:16] <JT-Shop> you should never run a file unless you understand what it will or will not do
[13:56:44] <archivist> you have to scale all the code to change it
[13:57:06] <archivist> simpler to run the code in its native units
[13:57:12] <Farthen> if i would run this code it would crash my machine that's why i would nee a warning
[13:57:19] <archivist> no it wont
[13:57:39] <Farthen> if i didn't hit the emergency off it would have
[13:57:43] <archivist> emc knows 25.4mm=1"
[13:58:08] <archivist> Farthen, did you edit the g20/21?
[13:58:12] <Farthen> nope
[13:58:14] <JT-Shop> then your limits are not set properly
[13:58:23] <Farthen> it works fine for metric
[13:58:42] <archivist> which example
[13:58:56] <Farthen> arcspiral.py
[13:59:50] <archivist> does that ask for size units
[13:59:59] <Farthen> nope
[14:01:35] <archivist> I have used the arcspiral.ngc which came with emc and that was ok
[14:01:35] <JT-Shop> I don't see arcspiral.py in the examples folder on 2.4.6
[14:01:54] <archivist> where did you get it from
[14:01:56] <Farthen> sorry, it is a simple ngc file
[14:02:07] <Farthen> so arcspiral.ngc
[14:02:45] <JT-Shop> so your machine is smaller than 4" x 4"
[14:02:51] <Farthen> nope xD
[14:03:00] <Farthen> ah, inches
[14:03:03] <Farthen> yep it is
[14:03:06] <nullie> heh
[14:03:14] <JT-Shop> then you can't run that example
[14:03:19] <Farthen> at least in x direction
[14:03:22] <archivist> then your limits will stop it being run
[14:03:40] <JT-Shop> and if your soft limits are set properly Axis will not run the program
[14:03:54] <Farthen> ok, i will check them
[14:04:53] <Farthen> still annoying that the programs don't change it back afterwards
[14:05:23] <JT-Shop> that is why in the preamble of every program you set the units
[14:05:42] <JT-Shop> because you never know what state the last program left you in
[14:05:53] <Farthen> i can still type in gcode in this small tiny box
[14:06:11] <archivist> a lot of gcode is modal, it stays in a mode
[14:06:11] <Farthen> and it remembers of course the units of the last program
[14:06:54] <archivist> these are not emc problems....
[14:07:03] <JT-Shop> please read this http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode_overview.html#sec:Modal-Groups
[14:07:38] <Farthen> JT-Shop: thanks
[14:07:44] <JT-Shop> np
[14:08:04] * JT-Shop takes the wife to breakfast now :)
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[14:13:24] <archivist> hehe /me giggles at someone trying to sell mach3 on the emc mailing list!!!
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[15:21:20] <skunkworks> archivist: funny.
[15:21:48] <archivist> yes....he is optimistic !
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[15:26:09] <geo01005> jthornton, are you around?
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[16:22:16] <Jymmm> Anyone have recommendations for a good IMAP client?
[16:24:27] <atmega> thunderbird, gmail
[16:25:10] <Jymmm> gmail is not an IMAP client, and other than TB
[16:25:13] <psha> mutt
[16:25:16] <Jymmm> which I'm trying to replace
[16:25:20] <drill> thunderbird
[16:25:36] <atmega> I used mutt for many years
[16:26:07] <Jymmm> I need a GUI client other than TB
[16:26:18] <atmega> oh, gmail only does POP
[16:26:37] <Jymmm> gmail is a web service not a client
[16:26:55] <Jymmm> No, gmail DOES do IMAP and POP3
[16:27:09] <Jymmm> In Googles own fashion that is.
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[16:27:31] <drill> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/
[16:27:38] <atmega> either way, gmail works fine for me.
[16:27:58] <atmega> once you get over the whole google/gmail/ads/spying part of it
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[16:47:00] * jthornton heads off for a nap in a bit
[16:47:37] <jthornton> geo01005: just for a few minutes
[16:48:40] <geo01005> Hey I just found an alternative for any easy thermocouple board on an arduino: http://ryanjmclaughlin.com/store/interface-boards/nulzg.html
[16:49:26] <geo01005> It is a little more expensive that I would like to see, but it sure would be easy to hook up.
[16:50:20] <geo01005> I also pulled out my MAX6675 board last night and got it running with EMC last night.
[16:50:27] <geo01005> Are you interested in the code?
[16:50:36] <jthornton> I found the ET73 replacement probes are thermocouples and are $12 each so that would eliminate the Max6675 need
[16:50:58] <jthornton> that's a pretty cool board
[16:51:24] <jthornton> thanks for passing that on
[16:51:49] <jthornton> I was looking at the link and missed the code part
[16:52:13] <jthornton> you have a max6675 with an arduino setup?
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[16:52:25] <geo01005> yes.
[16:52:34] <Jymmm> why not use a dallas chip?
[16:52:45] <geo01005> I thought that you wanted to get the thermocouple data into your laptop?
[16:52:51] * jthornton new not know how
[16:52:59] <jthornton> yes
[16:53:36] <jthornton> Opps the ET73 probes are thermisters
[16:53:44] <jthornton> not thermocouples
[16:55:44] <geo01005> Jymmm, most of my reasons for not using a one wire dallas chip is the temperature range that I measure.
[16:55:54] <jthornton> I've got the thermisters on the way but I have to wait till Monday to order the Uno
[16:56:01] <Jymmm> geo01005: what range?
[16:56:30] <geo01005> Well I'm using it for my reprap plastic extruder, so about 0 to 250 C.
[16:56:43] <jthornton> geo01005: I'm interested in the code for sure
[16:56:44] <Jymmm> ah
[16:57:23] <geo01005> Ok, well I'll get some comments into it and reply with it attached on the developers list.
[16:57:32] <jthornton> ok thanks
[16:57:48] <geo01005> jthornton do you know what you are going to use for relays and the other stuff?
[16:57:59] <jthornton> ssr's
[16:58:37] <jthornton> the heaters are 500 watts and 100 watts
[16:58:58] <jthornton> so it don't take much to switch them
[16:59:06] <geo01005> I see.
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[17:01:34] <jthornton> geo01005: thanks
[17:01:42] <geo01005> you bet, talk to you later.
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[17:01:56] <jthornton> ok, talk to you later
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[17:30:13] <Jymmm> Hey Folks, for those of you that like to embed their OS, here is a 1GB Disk-on-Chip module for $19 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.51805
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[17:54:55] <cradek> Jymmm: have you used those? are they fast?
[17:55:47] <Jymmm> I have an older one, but the comment at the bottom of that page says they're not, but that might be subjective. I still suspect faster than mechanical.
[17:56:09] <cradek> thanks for the pointer
[17:57:25] <Jymmm> *mine* wasn't as sensitive to writes cycles, but might still be good for older systems that take vibration abuse and the like.
[17:57:56] <Jymmm> or where there are minimal write cycles, like a liveCd minus the CD =)
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[18:00:58] <psha> Jymmm: for 'livecd' you may use ordinar USB flash :)
[18:01:09] <Jymmm> cradek: I've never compared DOM to USB Stick, but might be an interesting test.
[18:01:28] <Jymmm> psha: Not if the older system doesn't support booting form USB.
[18:01:34] <psha> that's true
[18:01:52] <psha> i've assembled system on 512mb ide flash years ago
[18:02:07] <psha> and this year one on usb stick
[18:02:20] <Jymmm> jthornton has an older system he was trying to retrofit, that might have been a good alternative
[18:03:05] <psha> yes, i was searching for DOM this year but finaly used ramdisk to make it more reliable
[18:03:47] <psha> sata dom's are too expensive and not very popular in electronic shops here
[18:04:04] <Jymmm> DOM or SSD ?
[18:04:07] <psha> DOM
[18:04:14] <Jymmm> k
[18:04:27] <psha> i mean expensive in terms of '$/mb', not in absolute values
[18:04:38] <Jymmm> I understand
[18:04:38] <psha> something like ~30$ per gb
[18:04:54] <Jymmm> Well, that one I linked to is $20/gb
[18:05:00] <psha> yea, i've checked
[18:05:01] <Jymmm> and IDE
[18:05:47] <psha> IDE thingies have additional power connector
[18:06:05] <Jymmm> yep, but no biggy as theyre inernal anyway
[18:06:11] <psha> in my case it was not sitting good in it's place
[18:06:35] <Jymmm> then get a nonsucky case =)
[18:06:44] <psha> :)
[18:07:07] <psha> that system was funny - it has 512 DOM for system and 5x160GB hard drives :)
[18:07:20] <Jymmm> makes sense
[18:07:51] <Jymmm> though to do it today, it might be cheaper to just shove a optical drive in the system internaly
[18:07:52] <psha> i've sold it to my provider :)
[18:08:59] <psha> today it's cheaper to use usb stick and add extra 1gb for ramdisk :)
[18:09:20] <Jymmm> OT: Anyone have any *** 30 PIN *** (Not 72pin) SIMMS ?
[18:09:34] <Jymmm> 4 or 8 MB
[18:09:43] <Connor> I do, on my keychain... :)
[18:10:02] <psha> heh, i guess may found some but i'm too far from you :)
[18:10:15] <Jymmm> OT: Anyone have any 4 or 8MB WORKING *** 30 PIN *** (Not 72pin) SIMMS and in the US?
[18:10:33] <Connor> ROFL. :).. It MAY work.. ROFL
[18:10:45] <Jymmm> psha: can you toss them in an envelope? lol
[18:10:48] <MarkPictor> what the heck would you want those antiques for? didn't they go out of style with the 386?
[18:11:07] <Jymmm> MarkPictor: for my system
[18:11:20] <MarkPictor> how old is it?
[18:11:24] <Jymmm> want to upgrade it from 4MB to 32MB
[18:12:23] <MarkPictor> what is it used for, turbocnc? I can't think of anything else that will fit in that :)
[18:13:03] <Jymmm> What, you don't like MS-DOS?
[18:13:32] <MarkPictor> I like something a bit newer
[18:13:54] <Jymmm> DOS works fine.
[18:14:06] <MarkPictor> tried to install win98 in virtualbox yesterday... bleh!
[18:14:27] <Jymmm> and?
[18:14:35] <MarkPictor> lol
[18:14:46] <MarkPictor> as long as it works...
[18:15:03] <Jymmm> Did you get W98 installed under VB ?
[18:15:26] <MarkPictor> I had some 30-pin simms and some 386es and 486es, but took them to be recycled last year
[18:15:28] <MarkPictor> sorta
[18:15:55] <MarkPictor> I had to install a special driver to get anything more than 16 colors and 540x480
[18:15:58] <MarkPictor> *640
[18:16:25] <MarkPictor> but after rebooting windows kept insisting ther was a problem with the disp driver
[18:16:38] <MarkPictor> I got fed up and quit messing with it
[18:17:11] <Jymmm> I think W98 always had that issue VM or not.
[18:17:57] <Jymmm> It defaulted to 640x480, where XP defaulted to 800x600
[18:19:43] <MarkPictor> virtualbox doesn't have guest drivers for win98 - you have to set stuff up manually
[18:19:59] <MarkPictor> and it always grabs the mouse
[18:20:39] <Jymmm> I'm not sure why I'd ever use W98. DOS and XP are the limits for me.
[18:21:37] <MarkPictor> I have a couple old apps I wanted to use that don't work in xp, even with compatibility mode
[18:21:52] <Jymmm> such as??
[18:22:40] <MarkPictor> half-life blue shift
[18:23:21] <Jymmm> oh a game, gotcha
[18:23:59] <MarkPictor> most games of that age or older work in later windows, but that one croaks for some reason
[18:24:15] <MarkPictor> yea, I said app... meant game
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[19:52:24] <JT-Shop> Whew! it seemed to open ok
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[20:48:10] <psha> bb all, happy new year
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[20:57:44] <monkeywrench> I've been researching retrofitting a 1989 VMC with a Fanuc 0MC with EMC2. The goal is to make this machine usable for surfacing aluminum molds at some speed greater than 5ipm. Id like to be able to run a 1/2" ball mill in a mold a 50ipm, right now this isn't posible due to slow DNC and no lookahead. How does EMC perform with lots of tiny G1 moves? Is there adaptive lookahead?
[21:00:45] <archivist> you need to see the wiki page on the trajectory planner
[21:02:16] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TrajectoryControl
[21:04:52] <archivist> and see docs on G64 P- (motion blending tolerance) Q- (naive cam tolerance) this effects speed on that sort of work
[21:07:47] <JT-Shop> monkeywrench: Very Good, Yes
[21:09:42] <monkeywrench> I saw the section about G64 and blend tolerances. However, I was looking for some more anecdotal experience from someone who's done something similar. I'm hoping we could retrofit this machine and get similar surfacing performance to our 06' Haas with high speed machining.
[21:11:33] <archivist> a variety of case studies are here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Case_Studies
[21:15:06] <JT-Shop> to get surfacing performance to your Haas 06' depends on the capabilities of the mechanics and servos and drives more than EMC in your old machine
[21:16:58] <JT-Shop> I cut on my plasma at 400IPM using G64Pn with thousands of tiny lines and arcs and it moves as fast as my mechanics will allow very smoothly
[21:20:29] <monkeywrench> The machine is fairly solid, 9k lbs, and cuts 2.5d stuff great. The ball screws and linear guides are in pretty good shape to. I'm planning on reusing the Fanuc red cap servos and replacing the drives with something more modern.
[21:22:44] <monkeywrench> My concern is destroying a pretty good machine in hopes of being able to run surfacing programs and ending up with a machine that can't surface...
[21:25:28] <KimK> !later MarkPictor (sent via !later) Hi, I got W98se to work in VB with the special video driver, a little other fiddling around too, but not bad. It's a little klunky without the auto mouse/keybd features the newer OSs support, but it works. http://imagebin.org/130457
[21:27:02] <KimK> monkeywrench: You should talk to Stuart, who is ready to pull a perfectly good Fanuc 5-axis (18M?) out of a giant Viper, in order to put in EMC2.
[21:27:27] <archivist> look at stuarts 5 axis cinci for a beast made usable
[21:27:37] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxxdq6y8z8M
[21:30:00] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn1bJ3YAQdI&feature=related
[21:30:14] <KimK> monkeywrench: He says he is waiting only for enough advance prep work that the Viper will not be down more than a week. Then he's switching. This speaks very highly of EMC2, IMHO. And yes, his 5-axis Cincinnati is already done.
[21:30:39] <archivist> that has corrections for the axis errors in the machine
[21:31:26] <KimK> (Well, Stuart is a "tinkerer", so I guess none of his machines will ever be completely "done", lol)
[21:32:05] <KimK> Not tinkering, continuous improvement!
[21:32:38] <monkeywrench> I'd seen the 5 axis giant video before. That's impart what got me thinking about trying to retrofit our little VMC
[21:34:50] <KimK> I didn't click, are there pictures of the Viper? (Big, costly, relatively recent manufacture) A gantry mill you could almost drive a bus in and park it on the table.
[21:35:10] <lerman> The Cinci is slow, though. You want to know how fast emc is.
[21:36:05] <KimK> How about simulation? Can you run EMC2 yourself in sim mode and answer your own question?
[21:37:38] <archivist> the weight, mass and the servos of the cinci set its speed, we dont know your moving mass nor the abilities of your servos
[21:39:30] <monkeywrench> I know a few things about the machine: the current controller is speed limited to 300ipm and the machine rapids around at 500ipm
[21:39:56] <monkeywrench> I sure the servos are large enough to profile aluminum at 50ipm
[21:41:19] <monkeywrench> It's just EMC's ability to process 20mb programs of 0.0001" moves in a smooth fashion that worries me.
[21:41:31] <archivist> can you add connectors so its a simple controller replacement to changeover, so machine can have either controller
[21:42:00] <monkeywrench> I'm know very little about the 0MC's servo AMPs
[21:42:51] <monkeywrench> I treat the current control with respect because I know any little thing will cost $5k and having a tech drive up to San Francisco
[21:43:44] <archivist> other option is find a dead one and retrofit
[21:44:30] <KimK> I'd say leave your machine alone for the moment, plug the known values (IPM you mentioned, etc.) into the servo-simulator, and set any "unknown" values (accel/decel, etc.) until the sim looks/feels right. Then put the rest of EMC2 through whatever tests you can conjure up.
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[21:47:02] <celeron55> how can you know then if it is doing what it should?
[21:47:25] <KimK> As long as EMC2's segment error(?) (however you define it) is a lot less than the normal or expected play in your machine, you're good to go.
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[21:52:26] <monkeywrench> I'll play around with the simulator and see what I can come up with. Thanks.
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[21:54:10] <KimK> Let us know what you find out, OK?
[21:54:57] <monkeywrench> Will do. Is there any kind of EMC expert in the greater San Francisco Bay Area?
[21:55:00] <KimK> So in future we can say, well, monkeywrench tried such-and-such and it worked.
[21:55:21] <JT-Shop> you might look on the map
[21:55:32] <monkeywrench> map?
[21:55:53] <JT-Shop> on the EMC web site if you log in you can see the map
[21:56:17] <KimK> I should join that thing, I keep ignoring it
[21:57:21] <JT-Shop> 1149 EMCers on the map :)
[21:59:21] <lerman> monkeywrench: You do know that EMC is just software :-) . You don't have to be in San Fran to fix it.
[22:00:22] <JT-Shop> looks like Internet Explorer is needed to view all the people on the map :/
[22:01:09] <JT-Shop> EMC supporters are world wide
[22:01:59] <archivist> JT-Shop, last I looked with firefox I could see nothing
[22:02:19] <JT-Shop> me neither but I just did with IE and they all show up...
[22:04:03] <celeron55> EMC website needs IE? that's hilarious
[22:04:17] <JT-Shop> not EMC's website
[22:04:24] <JT-Shop> the map thingy
[22:04:37] <monkeywrench> The map worked fine with Chrome
[22:04:53] <JT-Shop> that's good to know
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[22:27:23] <alex_joni> HNY
[22:31:10] <alex_joni> 2011 over here..
[22:31:16] <alex_joni> not really sure what the fuss was all about
[22:31:42] <archivist> an excuse to drink!
[22:32:07] <alex_joni> ah, right
[22:32:11] <alex_joni> cheers then
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[22:52:01] <JT-Shop> damm winblows networks
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[22:59:24] <alex_joni> HNY JT-Shop
[23:00:28] <Jymmm> alex_joni: QUICK whats the wining lotto numbers!!!
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[23:06:09] <JT-Shop> alex_joni: HNY is it there yet?
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[23:22:13] <rooks> yay, happy newyear and Szczęśliwego Nowego Roku, lets make this one go to eleven!! :D
[23:25:12] <jthornton> has the new year reached you yet?
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