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    [00:04:18] <JT-Hardinge> so if I put the V jaw on the movable then I know the center of my round stock from the fixed jaw :) 
    
[00:04:37] <theorb> theorb is now known as theorbtwo 
    
[00:04:59] <DaViruz> JT-Hardinge: i was curious about that too, but i use the same CAM as him and to my knowledge it has no such features 
    
[00:06:52] <DaViruz> at a closer look i think it's just a raster roughing toolpath 
    
[00:11:08] <JT-Hardinge> ah, ok 
    
[00:14:02] <Jymmm> Um, isn't this typically an included accessory?  
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEwQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shakeweightformen.com%2F&rct=j&q=shake%20weight%20for%20men&ei=IQfrTIqBLYnQsAP2vPn0Dg&usg=AFQjCNG377MBSjL0Rl6jvo4BZDJSkPZSCw&cad=rja 
    [00:17:28] <andypugh> In serousness, I can see it being very effective. 
    
[00:19:52] <Jymmm> andypugh: Um, there's a cheaper and more enjoyable option available. 
    
[00:20:59] <JT-Hardinge> Jymmm: your sick you know that right? 
    
[00:21:29] <Jymmm> JT-Hardinge: What, for stating the obvious? 
    
[00:22:11] <Jymmm> JT-Hardinge: Though, the one for women I think is better 
    
[00:27:08] <Jymmm> I think this is pretty slick...  
http://www.frys.com/product/5970674 
    [00:27:41] <Jymmm> Maybe not the fastest thing in the world, but open source and hackable. 
    
[00:28:06] <JT-Hardinge> cool 
    
[00:28:16] <Jymmm> I can see installing it into a external hdd case 
    
[00:28:44] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge ponders if he wants to make more chips tonight or not 
    
[00:29:50] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge wiped out a $175 bandsaw blade today and thinks that is enough 
    
[00:31:27] <JT-Hardinge> say goodnight Gracie 
    
[04:41:02] <kvirdi> Hey KimK 
    
[04:41:22] <kvirdi> i took apart one of my panasonic encoders just now to get the model number 
    
[04:41:38] <kvirdi> which is: MFE5000P8LB 
    
[04:41:53] <kvirdi> while i havent found any reference material on panasonics website yet 
    
[04:42:03] <kvirdi> it does seem like that means it is 5000 p/r 
    
[04:55:31] <KimK> kvirdi: Yes, it does sound that way, excellent! You might indeed have 20,000 quad-count encoders. Enjoy.  Check that the electronics you buy can read that many counts at your max rpm, but it shouldn't be an issue. 
    
[04:55:58] <kvirdi> :) 
    
[05:38:37] <LawrenceG> Jymmm, 
http://images.drivebc.ca/bchighwaycam/pub/html/dbc/9.html 
    [05:39:04] <LawrenceG> we got some funny white stuff here 
    
[05:39:06] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: your driveway? 
    
[05:39:27] <LawrenceG> freeway  next town south of here 
    
[05:39:51] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: It wont hurt you, jump into it nakkid and wave your legs and hands around 
    
[05:40:14] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: just avoid the yellow stuff 
    
[05:40:49] <LawrenceG> yea... that works if the neighbours hot tub was working   (the nakid part) 
    
[05:41:07] <Jymmm> LawrenceG:  $30 USD   
http://www.simpletech.com/products/storage/simplenet/simplenet.php 
    [05:41:13] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: hackable 
    
[05:41:33] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: 
http://www.kiblerelectronics.com/corner/ccii_11.html 
    [05:41:54] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: The chip...  
http://www.caviumnetworks.com/ECONA_CNS2XXX.html 
    [05:42:39] <Jymmm> brb 
    
[05:48:49] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: I'm Baaaaaaaaaack 
    
[05:49:07] <LawrenceG> just reading about the nas device 
    
[05:49:33] <Jymmm> Not the fastest thing (they say that themselves), but pretty slick imo 
    
[05:50:02] <theorb> theorb is now known as theorbtwo 
    
[06:12:35] <KimK> !later skunkworks (sent via !later) Hi Sam. When you get a chance, could you tell me the size of your latest (largest?) K&T ladder .clp file, in bytes?  Thanks very much. 
    
[07:33:40] <psha> Bonny: good morning 
    
[07:44:49] <Bonny> Morning... 
    
[07:45:50] <Bonny> ... still thinking how is best to implement camm offset. 
    
[07:46:43] <Bonny> I try with G54 G55 but isn't ok 
    
[07:48:33] <Bonny> psha can you export one pin to be true when CAM tab is selected? 
    
[07:48:43] <psha> i've added gladevcp pins to camview so you may add any buttons you want 
    
[07:49:38] <psha> no :( i don't common with tcl/tk and axis is written in some strange mix python/tk/tcl 
    
[07:50:54] <Bonny> How to add button? What to install?!? And Can you add possibility to rotate image? 
    
[07:51:18] <psha> rotation or flip? 
    
[07:51:28] <psha> 180 or 90? 
    
[07:51:37] <Bonn1> 180 deg rotation 
    
[07:52:07] <Bonn1> but probably flip isn't bad idea too (but not needed at this time) 
    
[07:52:55] <psha> 180 rotation is flip vert + flip horiz 
    
[07:53:05] <psha> flip vert is extremly simple operation 
    
[07:53:43] <Bonn1> I need 180 deg rotation (instead flip I mention mirror) 
    
[07:53:56] <Bonn1> .. and that's same :D 
    
[07:53:59] <psha> yes, flip=mirror 
    
[07:54:14] <psha> and rotate 180 is equivalent to two flips 
    
[07:54:20] <Bonn1> correct. 
    
[07:54:49] <Bonn1> so better is to make two flips and this can do all 
    
[07:55:01] <Bonn1> (if someone need only mirror) 
    
[07:55:08] <Bonn1> eg 1 flip 
    
[07:56:25] <psha> i'll try to hook libv4l1 
    
[07:56:29] <psha> it has flips on board 
    
[07:56:44] <Bonn1> ok 
    
[07:56:48] <Bonn1> next steep 
    
[07:56:56] <Bonn1> what I need to make buttons? 
    
[07:57:15] <psha> install glade 
    
[07:57:30] <psha> source RIP emc-environment 
    
[07:58:16] <Bonn1> hmm glade isn't installable (not in list) 
    
[07:58:28] <psha> glade3 
    
[07:58:37] <Bonn1> glade* 
    
[07:58:41] <Bonn1> not found 
    
[07:59:01] <Bonn1> (in gui) 
    
[07:59:06] <Bonn1> commandline? 
    
[07:59:08] <psha> glade-3 
http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/glade-3 
    [08:00:53] <Bonn1> which one? glade or glade-3I just make typo 
    
[08:01:16] <Bonn1> seems that -3 is official 
    
[08:01:19] <psha> yes 
    
[08:01:22] <psha> glade-3 
    
[08:02:20] <Bonn1> done 
    
[08:03:32] <psha> now you have to place this file 
http://psha.org.ru/tmp/camunits.xml into lib/python/gladevcp/ 
    
[08:03:44] <psha> i've not yet added it to any package 
    
[08:03:59] <psha> i think it'll live in libcamunits6-dev later 
    
[08:04:08] <psha> but now you have to add it manually 
    
[08:05:58] <Bonn1> ok done 
    
[08:06:16] <psha> now copy file /usr/share/camview-emc/camview-emc.ui somewhere near INI file 
    
[08:06:28] <psha> it will be your local copy of camview interface 
    
[08:06:45] <psha> and run glade path-to-copy.ui 
    
[08:07:01] <psha> if everything is ok then it'll allow you to edit it :) 
    
[08:09:54] <Bonn1> strange 
    
[08:09:55] <Bonn1> slavko@emc2:~$ glade ~/slavko/emc2/configs/IronCncII/camview-emc.ui 
    
[08:09:56] <Bonn1> bash: glade: command not found 
    
[08:09:56] <Bonn1> slavko@emc2:~$ 
    
[08:10:20] <psha> maybe glade3 or glade-3 
    
[08:10:39] <psha> i'm on debian so there are some minor differenciews 
    
[08:10:59] <Bonn1> ok glade-3 
    
[08:11:06] <Bonn1> now I have some gui 
    
[08:12:18] <psha> on left there is list of available widgets 
    
[08:12:24] <psha> in the bottom are gladevcp widgets 
    
[08:12:40] <Bonn1> only left 
    
[08:13:02] <psha> in the bottom of the left list ) 
    
[08:13:49] <Bonn1> http://imagebin.ca/view/ZHkkWKIO.html 
    [08:14:25] <psha> have you sourced emc-environment? 
    
[08:14:35] <psha> . path-to-emc2-dir/scripts/emc-environment 
    
[08:14:50] <Bonn1> As I know yes... 
    
[08:15:12] <Bonn1> in this session NO 
    
[08:15:44] <psha> you need it in session where you'll run glade 
    
[08:15:56] <psha> glade needs some environ vars to find catalog files 
    
[08:17:17] <Bonn1> ok done but same result 
    
[08:19:30] <Bonn1> ahh wrong path but now got error 
    
[08:20:03] <psha> have you downloaded camunits.xml? 
    
[08:20:04] <Bonn1> http://imagebin.ca/view/MyN6fHT4.html 
    [08:20:22] <Bonn1> yes 
    
[08:21:47] <Bonn1> it's in emc2-new/lib/python/gladevcp 
    
[08:21:48] <psha> heh 
    
[08:22:11] <Bonn1> also got a bunch of warnings in console 
    
[08:23:19] <psha> glade-3 from ubuntu don't understand gtkbuilder files :)) 
    
[08:23:33] <psha> that's not good... 
    
[08:23:56] <Bonn1> http://pastebin.com/gsy0scPZ 
    [08:25:17] <psha> try editing 
http://psha.org.ru/tmp/camview-emc.glade instead 
    
[08:26:37] <psha> but it seem to me that hardy's glade wont work... 
    
[08:27:02] <Bonn1> its better 
    
[08:27:14] <Bonn1> at least I got somethinh 
    
[08:27:28] <psha> but you don't get any hal widgets on the left 
    
[08:28:10] <Bonn1> http://imagebin.ca/view/fjuQk7.html 
    [08:28:43] <psha> have you any more recent versions of ubuntu nearby? 
    
[08:28:58] <Bonn1> no 
    
[08:29:11] <Bonn1> not installed 
    
[08:29:12] <psha> that's sad too... 
    
[08:29:39] <psha> unfortunately you won't be able to edit UI with gladevcp on hardy 
    
[08:30:07] <Bonn1> I just try to do 10.04 live cd but seems that have problem as even latency-test got errors rtapi something 
    
[08:30:22] <psha> no, you don't need any good latency 
    
[08:30:24] <psha> just desktop 
    
[08:31:13] <Bonn1> I think i can start live cd 
    
[08:31:21] <Bonn1> but don't want to install 
    
[08:31:32] <Bonn1> as hardy is already installed 
    
[08:31:46] <psha> that's too hard way to go... 
    
[08:32:28] <Bonn1> I think soo 
    
[08:33:04] <Bonn1> can you just make one checkbox (camOffset) right of controls? 
    
[08:33:26] <Bonn1> to se if I can manage cam offset from hal 
    
[08:33:26] <psha> draw it on the interface 
    
[08:33:37] <Bonn1> yes 
    
[08:33:52] <psha> i'll try to put it as close to image as i can 
    
[08:33:57] <Bonn1> at 1'st line where Control's is 
    
[08:34:25] <Bonn1> if can be done without oppening controls will be very nice 
    
[08:36:44] <Bonn1> and flipping of course  (all JOG's goes in wrong dirrection) 
    
[08:38:57] <Bonn1> is it some chance to use glade instead glade-3 with success? 
    
[08:40:43] <psha> no chance 
    
[08:40:46] <psha> it's even older 
    
[08:41:41] <Bonn1> :( 
    
[08:41:54] <psha> in debian i have 3.6.7 version, python support was added in 3.6.2, hardy has 3.4.2 (at most 3.4.5) 
    
[08:42:16] <psha> btw there is glade for windowz 
    
[08:42:32] <psha> but no emc2 or camunits :) 
    
[08:43:13] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/camview-emc.ui 
    [08:44:02] <psha> i've left default buttons so you'll be able to replace them with what you need 
    
[08:44:36] <psha> near line 239 and 250 of this file there are lines: 
    
[08:44:37] <psha> 239                   <object class="HAL_Button" id="hal_button1"> 
    
[08:44:37] <psha> 240                     <property name="label" translatable="yes">button</property> 
    
[08:44:51] <psha> replace 'button' with label you want 
    
[08:45:16] <psha> and connect pins camview.hal_button1 to anything you want 
    
[08:45:19] <Bonn1> hmm how to use 
    
[08:45:25] <psha> and camview.hal_button2 too 
    
[08:45:27] <Bonn1> mean start 
    
[08:45:38] <psha> camview-emc -u new-file -g 
    
[08:46:05] <psha> -g instructs it to load gladevcp 
    
[08:46:16] <Bonn1> from EMC ini? 
    
[08:47:06] <psha> try it from commandline first 
    
[08:48:37] <psha> i have to part for a while 
    
[08:48:40] <Bonn1> slavko@emc2:~$ camview-emc -u ~/emc2/configs/IronCncII/camview-emc.ui -g 
    
[08:48:41] <Bonn1> Usage: camview-emc [options] 
    
[08:48:41] <Bonn1> camview-emc: error: no such option: -g 
    
[08:48:41] <Bonn1> slavko@emc2:~$ 
    
[08:48:47] <psha> update camview-emc 
    
[08:49:00] <psha> i've added it late at night 
    
[08:50:31] <Bonn1> slavko@emc2:~$ camview-emc -u ~/emc2/configs/IronCncII/camview-emc.ui -g 
    
[08:50:31] <Bonn1> Traceback (most recent call last): 
    
[08:50:31] <Bonn1>   File "/usr/bin/camview-emc", line 232, in <module> 
    
[08:50:31] <Bonn1>     view = EmcView(options) 
    
[08:50:31] <Bonn1>   File "/usr/bin/camview-emc", line 51, in __init__ 
    
[08:50:31] <Bonn1>     import gladevcp 
    
[08:50:31] <Bonn1> ImportError: No module named gladevcp 
    
[08:50:32] <Bonn1> slavko@emc2:~$ 
    
[08:52:24] <psha> RIP environment is in place? 
    
[08:54:14] <psha> i'll be back in a couple of hours 
    
[09:33:47] <Bonn1> hello... Someone know how to set constant value in realtime constant module? 
    
[09:34:27] <Bonn1> ie I start loadrt constant names=CamOfsX,CamOfsY in hal file but need to set value too 
    
[10:34:57] <Bonn1> psha here? 
    
[10:42:17] <aircraft> hi all 
    
[10:43:10] <aircraft> i have a question about compensation of laser spot's geometry 
    
[10:46:11] <aircraft> i found velctrl.comp component on emc wiki, but cant find any info how to connect it's override pins 
    
[10:51:56] <aircraft> can somebony help me with it? 
    
[11:23:21] <psha> Bonn1: here 
    
[11:23:49] <Bonn1> yes 
    
[11:25:44] <psha> aircraft: you'd better wait till evening 
    
[11:26:11] <psha> i mean evening for europe :) 
    
[11:26:35] <psha> Bonn1: i'm here :) 
    
[11:26:36] <Bonn1> I had to go. Have les than 30 min time 
    
[11:26:57] <Bonn1> but wasn't sure id come back in evning 
    
[11:27:01] <aircraft> psha, ok 
    
[11:27:15] <Bonn1> just have time for some little tests.. 
    
[11:27:24] <psha> Bonn1: canny circle detection is not complete yet 
    
[11:27:43] <psha> but if you may make screenshot without crosshair it would be great 
    
[11:27:44] <Bonn1> not in priority list 
    
[11:28:15] <psha> i've written image input plugin for tests but need one without crosshair 
    
[11:28:17] <Bonn1> in priority is flipping and cam offseting 
    
[11:28:25] <Bonn1> ok 
    
[11:28:38] <psha> have you tried new .ui file from 
http://psha.org.ru/tmp/camview-emc.ui? 
    [11:28:46] <psha> with two hal_button's 
    
[11:28:47] <psha> ? 
    
[11:30:04] <psha> i think i've properly hooked libv4l1 into input plugin so flipping is somewhere available 
    
[11:30:11] <psha> but needs some more testing 
    
[11:30:40] <psha> i'll check it later today (i'm currently at work) 
    
[11:33:01] <Bonn1> http://imagebin.ca/view/QNfmfJj4.html 
    [11:35:39] <psha> and one with PCB please 
    
[11:35:45] <psha> if it's not too difficult :) 
    
[11:36:04] <Bonn1> ui doesn't work 
    
[11:36:52] <psha> complaining about gladevcp imports? 
    
[11:39:28] <Bonn1> http://imagebin.ca/view/zS1n4zX.html 
    [11:40:39] <psha> thanks 
    
[11:41:59] <Bonn1> slavko@emc2:~/emc2-new$ camview-emc -u ~/emc2/configs/IronCncII/camview-emc.ui -g 
    
[11:41:59] <Bonn1> /usr/bin/camview-emc:53: GtkWarning: Unknown property: GtkVBox.orientation 
    
[11:41:59] <Bonn1>   builder.add_from_file(options.ui) 
    
[11:41:59] <Bonn1> /usr/bin/camview-emc:53: GtkWarning: Unknown property: CamUnitChainGLWidget.orientation 
    
[11:41:59] <Bonn1>   builder.add_from_file(options.ui) 
    
[11:42:00] <Bonn1> Active: 0; Widget: 0x82ceef8; Chain: 0x8344f50 
    
[11:42:00] <Bonn1> Active: 1; Widget: 0x82ceef8; Chain: 0x8344f50 
    
[11:42:00] <Bonn1> Active: 1; Widget: 0x82ceef8; Chain: 0x8344f50 
    
[11:42:01] <Bonn1> RTAPI: ERROR: could not open shared memory (errno=2) 
    
[11:42:02] <Bonn1> Segmentation fault 
    
[11:42:02] <Bonn1> slavko@emc2:~/emc2-new$ 
    
[11:46:03] <Bonn1> psha see ya late tonight or tomorrow. 
    
[11:46:18] <Bonn1> should go now. 
    
[11:46:53] <aircraft> seems like you haven't enough permissions to open shared mem 
    
[11:47:04] <aircraft> may be use sudo? 
    
[11:57:15] <psha> aircraft: Bonny's main problem is that he's first who is trying to run gladevcp on hardy :) 
    
[12:09:50] <aircraft> psha, is it possible to embed pyvcp as tab in axis? 
    
[12:10:52] <jthornton> dang that D510MO comes in a small box 
    
[12:39:13] <psha> jthornton: you'd like Big box for tiny board? :) 
    
[12:39:34] <psha> aircraft: possible. but it's better to include it in native way like ngcgui 
    
[12:48:19] <jthornton> psha: actually looking for a small box for it... but I don't see anything about the power requirements for the board 
    
[12:48:40] <psha> ~20W 
    
[12:48:48] <psha> average 
    
[12:48:52] <psha> top ~25 
    
[12:48:56] <psha> as i recall 
    
[12:48:57] <jthornton> that ain't much lol 
    
[12:49:56] <psha> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/atom-d510-d510mo,2507-8.html 
    [12:50:06] <psha> not official though 
    
[12:51:34] <psha> it's working fine without any fans but have to be placed verticaly 
    
[12:51:53] <psha> and it's better to mount heatsink on chipset 
    
[12:52:19] <psha> but i have one with and one without heatsinks and there is no difference :) 
    
[13:45:01] <the_wench> skunkworks: KimK said (sent via !later) Hi Sam. When you get a chance, could you tell me the size of your latest (largest?) K&T ladder .clp file, in bytes?  Thanks very much. 
    
[13:54:17] <jthornton> what is the difference between 2gb memory and 2x1gb memory? 
    
[13:54:46] <Jymmm> 1 stick of 2gb, instead of 2 stick of 1gb each 
    
[13:55:22] <Jymmm> 4GB (4x1GB)  as example 
    
[13:55:33] <Jymmm> or 
    
[13:55:45] <Jymmm> 2GB (4x512MB) 
    
[13:55:48] <jthornton> ok I see now 
    
[13:57:42] <skunkworks> KimK: my main ladder is 19.4kb 
    
[14:08:57] <alex_joni> skunkworks: the one you use for accessing the internet? 
    
[14:09:12] <alex_joni> sounds like a modem speed :P 
    
[14:15:49] <skunkworks> heh :) 
    
[15:19:54] <kb8wmc> g'day to all 
    
[15:20:11] <psha> mhaberler: here? 
    
[15:25:48] <kb8wmc> psha, how is your camview working for you? 
    
[15:26:35] <psha> for me - good :) but i'm still working without real hardware :) 
    
[15:26:47] <kb8wmc> rgr that.... 
    
[15:31:41] <psha> it seem that now we have one happy user (grommit), one nearly satisfied (Bonny) and one totally disappointed (qq-) :) 
    
[15:33:13] <skunkworks> I blame qq- ;) 
    
[15:42:13] <psha> skunkworks: he's unlucky :) 
    
[15:42:38] <psha> if there is bug in any level of framework - he'll hit it! 
    
[16:05:22] <KimK> skunkworks: Thanks for sending your ladder size.  How did libgnomeprintui(-dev) work out for you?  My apt-get couldn't find either package.  Can you print from CL now? 
    
[16:06:28] <psha> KimK: it's libgnomeprintui22{,-dev} 
    
[16:06:51] <psha> if you need to find some package try apt-cache search 
    
[16:07:21] <KimK> psha: Ah, thanks! I'll do that! 
    
[16:09:10] <psha> KimK: also if you don't like command line enter part of package name on 
http://packages.ubuntu.com 
    [16:32:38] <KimK> skunkworks: When you print from CL (to the "Create a PDF Document" printer), does it look like this?  
http://imagebin.ca/view/QuaPQ9yo.html  I'd be happy to rotate 90 degrees and print one block to a page, but how do I do that?  Also, the top margin is way too tight.  Any suggestions appreciated. 
    
[16:35:42] <psha> KimK: change paper format in print dialog 
    
[16:35:48] <psha> from portrait to lanscape 
    
[16:36:39] <cradek> I tried that - didn't seem to have any effect 
    
[16:38:21] <elmo40> you using lprint? or lpr? 
    
[16:38:36] <cradek> to pdf 
    
[16:39:09] <elmo40> using ghostscript? 
    
[16:41:22] <skunkworks> KimK: have not got to the point of printing 
    
[16:44:53] <skunkworks> I vaugly remember printing a ladder once and not getting anyting usable...  (to a physical printer) 
    
[16:49:57] <elmo40> maybe the step should be 'file>gs>pdf' 
    
[16:50:50] <KimK> It seems that Portrait/Landscape has no effect. The paper size has very limited effect in that US Letter, US Legal, both default to A4.  I assume all sizes do.  Only custom (size) "ungreys" the paper dimensions and allows getting them off of A4.  (CL *really* likes A4 paper, it seems!)  So I went for US Tabloid/Ledger 11x17 (not listed in Gnome?) and dialed in approx 10x15... 
    
[16:51:28] <cradek> we've changed the font size in CL a few times - obviously there's no right choice for screen and printing 
    
[16:51:34] <KimK> ...and that did make the paper bigger and freed up the top margin.  Still prints 3 blocks to a page, though. 
    
[16:51:52] <cradek> the whole thing is kind of a pain in the neck 
    
[16:51:53] <elmo40> what are you using to make the ladder images? 
    
[16:53:29] <KimK> cradek: Yes, that whole thing needs to be re-thought, I think.  It prints about like it looks before I drag the ladder window larger so I can read the labels.  I seems to be allowed 9 characters, and I always use more than half of them, sometimes all. 
    
[16:53:45] <elmo40> maybe take screen shots of what you want and paste them together with Gimp and print from there? O_o 
    
[16:53:47] <KimK> s/seems/seem 
    
[16:55:49] <mhaberler> I used to be able to edit the EmcKnowledBase Wiki, has that been changed? 
    
[16:55:55] <cradek> no 
    
[16:57:18] <cradek> instructions are on the BasicSteps page 
    
[16:57:20] <mhaberler> ok, remembered how to... 
    
[16:57:49] <KimK> elmo40: Re: use screenshots instead?:  Great, I'd probably need 50 screenshots?  (Maybe 100 rungs?)  I'm already peeved that the printer doesn't have "print all", it only prints whatever section the section manager is pointed at. 
    
[16:58:50] <KimK> Oh well, "Whaddya gonna do?" 
    
[16:59:49] <KimK> I imagine that CL's internals are a big mess of cruft and goo? 
    
[17:00:10] <KimK> Or is it better than I think it is? 
    
[17:00:31] <cradek> KimK: you could try futzing around in print_gnome.c and see if you can get something more usable 
    
[17:03:06] <KimK> OK, I'll look, thanks. 
    
[17:06:07] <KimK> elmo40: I am using alt-PrintScreen to get to Ubuntu's window-screenshot maker.  Also, I don't really know what print system I'm using, just stock Ubuntu.  How can I find out?  Or just tell me if you know. 
    
[17:07:27] <KimK> I just push "print" on CL's ladder window, and print to the "Create a PDF Document" printer. 
    
[17:12:29] <elmo40> seen this? :P Not as pretty but all ASCII (so it seems) 
http://plcemu.sourceforge.net/ 
    [17:18:03] <KimK> elmo40: Interesting, but CL is already tied in pretty tightly with EMC2, and maybe should be tied in even tighter (I have some thoughts on this).  So I'd rather not open a new front in the same war.  Thanks, though. 
    
[17:32:22] <KimK> Things are not looking good.  From the libgnomeprintui docs: "GNOME Print UI Overview -- FIXME: Add an overview" 
    
[17:35:27] <elmo40> lol 
    
[17:36:29] <KimK> The paper size selection is mentioned here: file:///usr/share/doc/libgnomeprintui2.2-doc/html/libgnomeprintui-gnome-print-paper-selector.html 
    
[17:36:48] <psha> KimK: not great link :-P 
    
[17:37:32] <KimK> It should open in FF if you have the data 
    
[17:40:58] <KimK> s/have the data/have that lib and its docs installed/ 
    
[17:41:40] <psha> http://library.gnome.org/devel/libgnomeprintui/stable/libgnomeprintui-gnome-print-paper-selector.html 
    [17:41:43] <psha> same? 
    
[17:42:54] <KimK> Yes, at least it looks the same. 
    
[17:44:22] <KimK> Their "fixme" is the same too. 
    
[17:49:56] <elmo40> where is the ClassicLadder program? 
    
[17:50:08] <elmo40> I never used it before. 
    
[17:58:57] <elmo40> my Ladder Editor is greyed out. 
    
[18:02:08] <skunkworks> it needs to be setup in the hal file. 
    
[18:04:01] <elmo40> oh. 
    
[18:06:41] <KimK> elmo40: This link has a little about getting started with CL: 
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Classicladder_Ver_7.100 
    [18:12:30] <IchGuckLive> hi all in the USA today we had the first snow around here 
    
[18:12:35] <KimK> elmo40: "Loading Options" under section 1 has pretty much everything you need to do: loadrt... addf... loadusr... and you'll be running 
    
[18:14:31] <IchGuckLive> is there adifferent in the 2.3 ini to the 2.4 ini on steppers so can i copy my files to the new system or do i have togenerad them new ? 
    
[18:16:17] <mhaberler> jthornton: I've udated the wiki on gladevcp under axis  - works for me: 
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?GladeVcp 
    [18:19:43] <seb_kuzminsky> IchGuckLive: you need config changes when upgrading from 2.3 to 2.4: 
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING#Changes_between_2_3_x_and_2_4_x 
    [18:22:49] <IchGuckLive> Thanks