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there are no rpms for emc?!
simpler to use the prepared cd
* archivist looks at clock to check
should be close for you
8:32 AM here
prolly morning for you :)
I just played with some motors I stripped out of a video, a large 1" Ampex two servo motors :)
opening day of deer season here for firearms
had to dress the dog up in an orange shirt to take her for a walk
why ...dog is fair game :)
mine is not the owner shoots back
boelkmoeller3, reason is the rtai kernel etc which is needed
* jthornton wanders off to try and get the internet working in the shop today
* pfred1 just got in from doing some competitive yard saling
Jymmm around here it sure is
your selling your neighbors fence or something?
I saw some kid pick up a 2 armed wheel puller
that I'd have nailed if I got to it first
I did manage to get 5 foot of link belt for 50 cents though!
oh you mean BUYING, not selling
you said SELLING
I got a couple other little knick knacks and doodads as well nothing too exciting today though
so your packratting =)
I said saling which is a present tenst word of sale I made up
you know as opposed to the yacht style sailing
did any of this involve a boat or body of water?
I'd have probably been better off if I'd gone sailing today
man i went down the beach yesterday the waves were wild!
we have a storm off the coast here it seems to be kicking up quite a squal
I went to Rehoboth
that is the beach by me
not to say there aren't others but it is THE beach
oh Rehoboth beach Delaware
I didn't know there were any others
its a big planet
it makes the top 10 all the time
however beaches are ranked
it is pretty much world famous
pretentiousness one to ten =)
yes I've been to nicer beaches
as far as just beaches go
but rehoboth has associated attractions like a boardwalk
which we just redid BTW
I bought a halogen work lamp for a buddy of mine that seems to be doing more welding on his truck lately
I paid $2 for it I'll tell him I bought it for a dollar I don't want him to think he owes me anything for it
I'll be going to see him on Tuesday
which is my birthday BTW
46 but I swear I don't look a day over 50
all that clean living you know?
beautiful I just plugged the lamp in the bulb is good in it and everything
hate to give him something that'll just cost him more time and work
I gave up the halogen worklights that I had. too hot, dull yellow light
I don't use mine as much as i used to i used to use them a lot welding on vehicles
two of them puppies shining on the weld bead and you can wear a #12 shade and still see
I'd rather use halogen fog lamps
they seem to be whiter
I have an Optrel auto hood now so
mad lighting welding is less of an issue for me
that thing set me back like $450
I WAS going to get this, but just read the reviews... http://www.harborfreight.com/45-bulb-led-work-light-66308.html
yes I've seen the LED work lights at b&D here
I have a little LED flashlight thing is amazing
[15:25:08] <Jymmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/clear-lens-halogen-lights-37349.html
That's what I was talking about
bright as all get out and it lasts forever on a charge too
You should see how many LED lights I have =)
yes fog lights
I wish I'd picked up more of these LED flashlights when I had the chance they were blowing them out for $5 a piece
was part of their VPX line they discontinued
so I bought just about the whole set
though the reciprocating saw is a bit of a joke
I still need a nice cordless one of those
I have a Cree 2xAA (bright lil bastard), 4D LED Maglite, 3D LED Maglight, 2xAA LED Maglight, Streamlight rechargable LED, Rechargable LED light stick that's mag mount, bunch of 3xAAA LED puck lights all around the house, 12v Rechargable 3Million Candlepower spot light, 12v rechargable 8Million CP spotlight, 3xAAA Multi-color LED flashlight, and variosu assorted other lights
pfred1: If you want a nice bright lil flashlight, get this http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4452
this is the one I have: http://tinyurl.com/2dnofxx
pfred1: I've ordered two of them so far. If the light begins to flicker, replace the abtteries.
I got it for $5 flat at the outlet here no tax no shipping
Oh gawd, that's crap
I have one of those but it's hand cranked. Nice for ANY light, but no real power to it.
they're full of crap I get way better than 5 hours run
the CREE I linked to you could drive by if you had to
I've actually never seen the batter run down though I do charge it up every now and again just for laughs
Yeah, no power at all to them
well when the guy came to do the cable install here he had this huge flashlight my flashlight was brighter
pfred1: Just get that one I linked to, it'll blind you
uses 2xAA OR 1x14500
and you can use 1xAA for less brightness if you want
yes it looks pretty nice
Nothing fancy, just on/off. fits in pocket, doesn't require special batteries, waterproof
all aluminum body
I wonder why they didn't just go with the jar design?
yes where you screw the headi n like a jar top to turn it on then adjust the beam
I have a tekna flashlight like that
Most LED are not adjustable from flood to throw
and mini mag lites are like that as well
yes LED has lens
still it a simple easy and reliable method of on and off
Yes, mine LED MAglights do too, but not very effective
the switch is on the tailcap, press on, press off.
I have an old plain mini mag can i just buy an LED bulb for it?
Not as bright as the cree
like do the mag bulbs fit the older flashlights?
and you get the whole flaslight for the same cost as the MAd LED bulb
they're that expensive?
has anyone tried this http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?EMC_Ubuntu91
with the latest lucid 10.04LTS and the latest EMC2 ?
pfred1: Yeah, around $12-$15
awallin I did a bare Debian build
awallin I don't see what the point would be to doing an ubuntu build being as the install image is ubuntu
pfred1: I am upgrading to 10.04lts now, then installing latest emc2, then I could compare the latency-test with and without smp (if I get it working)
you should smp and dedicate one CPU to the RT thread
awallin: Why, do you need the added cpu power?
that i hear worls best
works best even
I'm not sure I really need the super low latency :) but it sounds nice
this is an atom 330 machine
if you dedicate one core to RT i hear it is faster
atoms are doing what like 5000 ns now?
6-7k without smp and 5k with smp (from the latency-test wiki page)
I don't think they do any better than that
I'd like to test these servos if I have time today: http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/wires.jpg
awallin if you can do a bare build in a day and still have itme left over for something else more power to ya!
personally in order ot work I need a bit more than just EMC2 on a system so that takes time to install as well
the first bare build i did took me close to a week then a redo took 2 days
where i had notes from the first build to work with
the image smps out of the box doesn't it?
though it might not split the tasks
the stock 10.04lts yes, but not the rtai-kernel
then just rebuild the kernel
coz you're going to have to do that on a bare build anyways
yes, I was looking for the simplest instructions for building an rtai-smp kernel for 10.04lts
hope those 9.10 instructions work...
well I know a couple hot kernel building tricks now
after having built like 20 kernels recently :)
the first time around it took me like 6 shots just to get booted up and online
the second time around i was online on the second build
there's also this: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Ubuntu10.04Notes
I wouldn't use make xconfig
it isn't very well developed
make menuconfig is the premier config tool for the kernel
xconfig worked fine last time I tried it
I'm just telling you what the kernel documentaiton says
you can go read it for yourself there
otoh, that might have been 10 years ago
that was about the last time I ran xconfig myself
the way the kernel is menuconfig just works better the tree is like 4 levels deep in places
maybe even deeper some places
and the last time I ran xconfig it was 2 maybe 3 levels deep
I guess it depends on just how much one wants to configure a custom kernel though me I like to try to configure it all
atmega_ actually these dirs are pretty crappy and they'd break a debian based system like ubuntu is
everyone should stick with slackware
atmega_ is now known as atmega
I did for a long time from slack 3 to 8
but by 8 I was really shoveling you know what against the tide
so early on in 8 I dropped it for redhat
yep... I did SLS, slackware, caldera, rh, ubuntu
from RH i wwnt to suse then did a little ubuntu now debian
I avoided debian as much as possible due to debian users
debain and centis for server, ubuntu and knoppix for desktop
yeah their community blows but their distro is impeccible
so if they want to be a bit snobbish about it it is OK
my bare debs box for emc2 runs X with 34 MB of RAM
which is unreal
it doesn't really help any but it is still pretty nifty
btw what's bad with debian users? other than we are snobbish :)
i've found maintainers pretty adequate and has no problems with submitting fixes
psha your typical Debian user is a heavy suffer of this malady: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
psha or maybe they're just ass burgers it is hard to tell :)
debian users from the days of mudock/perens
pfred: I'd say that is more broadly all linux users, or *nix for that matter.
atmega Debian users seem to be more extreme
they are very sensitive
yeah, especially back in 'the day'
atmega join #debian and ask them why they do not ship cdrecord and keep on trying to get an answer and see how long before they ban you :)
that was the last faux pas I commited
they got really touchy about the subject let me tell you!
I lasted about 5 minutes
and i was trying to be incredibly nice about it all
I'd assume it is due to non-freeness... when really it could be because Schilling is an ass
I know the story I just wanted to hear their side of it is all
what they did wiht it all is still questionable
after reading debian vs ruby gem thread or b43 vs openbsd one i start thinking that adequate people are either rare or silent :)
because they still use his code
psha the way I look at it is wheels that work you never hear it is only the squeaky ones that you do
but hey i could run any linux distro going today and I'm on debian across the board right now
it is that good in my estimation
all any distro is is the package manager and debian's is second to none
pfred1: that's right... it's better to do job and leave flames to someone else :))
lenny all the way here too
debians tools are so sophisticated the case could almost be made that they're too sophisticated but hey I'd rather have the power and not use it than need the power and not have it
pfred1: re the cdrtools vs cdrkit controversy, I use ubuntu for everything because of EMC2, but I had to install slackware to get a dual layer DVD burned correctly.
I cut a lid out of my 1" thick acrylic last night, it looks amazingly good
KimK there is something going on with debs and cdrecord there is no doubt about it
pfred1: for me debian also perfect with ability to create custom repos
atmega did you sand polish it then heat the edges/
i know that it's also possible with others but not that easy
KimK: no - I couldn't make it. :(
atmega do that then the edges will be like the surface
pfred: sand polish how?
atmega with progressively finer grits of sand paper of course
atmega buddy of mine made this door out of plastic and did it it was amazing
I chucked it in the lathe and took a few passes, itlooks good, but not clear
I have some 800 and 1000 grit sandpaper somewhere
yes if you polish it as much as you can then hit it very carefully with a torch you can get glass surface
but you can also burn bubbles in it too
it is extremely hard to do but it is doable
it ended up a little undersize after turning, I'll probably resize it and make a new one tonight
and when you do it it is nothing short of how did you do that?
well try to polish burn the old one just to check it out
it's got a pocket for a switch and a hole for a cable gland.
because you can do it and make it look cast
like when you look through it you don't see the cut surfaces like it is all crystal hard to explain
no tool marks at all
just plastic smooth
Slackware, yikes! I had heard about it but never tried it. Now that I have, I believe that Slackware is for people that think that if you need fire, you should begin by rubbing two sticks together. But it's about the only major distro left that has cdrtools as standard. 99% have gone to cdrkit for the GPL. And in time, that should work out better.
KimK that'd be Gentoo or LFS
Ha, yes, "waiting for emerge", lol
supposedly slack has somewhat better package management tools since i ran it it is still pretty primitive though
I'll try Gentoo sometime too though.
for a daily driver my pick is Debian
I was installing some silly KDE themes the other day and they needed a bunch of deps in order ot make work it was easy to get it all to work
on slackware I'd still be working on it now I'm sure
skunkKandT: Hi Sam, (Sam at K&T), guess we have to do without the mini-fest. How's the K&T work going? What's your current project?
I've done it the bad old way and I'll take the easy new way now
[16:36:54] <atmega> http://www.divematrix.com/gallery/data/539/Halcyon-Lid.jpg
my lid looks at least that good, just need the hardware.
atmega yup you could polish melt that edge and it'd be radical
that's a factory one
atmega it would look 10X better burnt if it was done right
atmega even that isn't polished enoug hto burn yet though
still has some too big scratches in it
I turned a big one down a few years ago and hit it with a torch, it looked ok... didn't polish first though
well that is the trick get is as smooth as possible then torch it
that one is used, they get banged up by cave walls, boats, etc
oh if it get banged up then the heck with it i guess
why even make it ouf ot clear?
to look for water leakage
it's part of a dive light
that connector is water proof?
yeah, teh bulged part is just a strain relief
KimK: going well. did you see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLE4lzPcEo8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
it still looks like a candidate for burning to me
they are tested to 600ft...I've had mine to 270' with no problems
yeah, I'll polish/burn mine
I mean when i saw the piece this guy I knew did I have ot admit I was mighty impressed
it didn't look like something someone had did you know?
I squirted some silicone on mine while I was tapping it and it made the edges look better than that one
cutting lubricants can make for better finishes
often I know steel dry and wet is night and day
though oddly the best finish on steel is dry with carbide go figure?
I'm not sure if every plastic you can do the torch trick to
so I'd try it on a piece i didn't care about first heck even if I knew it was a piece that worked I'd still want to practice some
I've done it to acrylic before, works well if you don't burn it
awallin: The Live-CD is SMP with a CPU locked to RT
is it? I thought you still needed to do a isolcpus if you wanted that..
Actually, now you mention it, I am not sure about the isolcpus. But I seem to recall finding that it was already there.
[17:07:24] <frallzor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSnSIF7SOBo
fun fun fun
andypugh: cat /proc/cmdline
that'll tell you if isolcpus is used (assuming you're on a machine that would use it)
SWPLinux: Doesn't tell me if it was already there or if I put it there, though...
BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-122-rtai root=UUID=ad1780e5-6f9b-4dd8-9bb1-491377365f86 ro quiet splash
But it seems to _not_ be there, which I guess does answer the question.
Anyway, the point that there is no point building your own rtai smp 10.04 kernel remains.
thanks for this info
I guess I'm building it myself anyway since I started with a stoch 10.04lts install
there's an emc3 install script for lucid, I believe
I'm getting 10 to 15k latency with the stock install
that seems decent.
yes I used that. maybe I got the smp kernel already?
the System Monitor does show two cpu's
so I should just lock one to real-time and then I am done?
that's done with "isolcpus=1" into my GRUB menu.lst ?
I'll try that now. thanks.
err, on lucid it's a little different
change the line that has GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="blah blah" to include isolcpus
then run update-grub
* SWPLinux learned this yesterday :)
heh - I cannot say that I have done that in lucid. - only tested it at boot time. so listen to SWPLinux
doing it the "right" way will also insure that it's used after any kernel updates
I also like that you can set grub2 up to boot the last os selected.
I think that was called "savedefault" or something in grub 1
anyone know how, or if you can, mirror text in autocad?
atmega: Which version?
there is a box for 'reverse' in style setting, but it makes no visible difference
If you mirror it using a mirror tool what happens?
it just copies it
You can possibly dismantle it into curves, then mirror it.
weird, I exploded it and it inverted
finally temporarily connected to the internet... what a pia this setup is
JT-Hardinge: you still usign wireless?
Man, $20 for a box of CAT5 would save you a lot of grief.
I had one cat5e cable with a problem so I'm pulling them back out and putting 3 cat6e cables back
how is that Jymmm
Run two per location, then you can use the other for home automation, telco, etc =)
I had 2 run from the shop to the house so I could get the internet down to the wireless router and one to get network back out here from the router
It seesm your wireless has caused a lot of pain, should just get a 8 port switch and run cable to your hosts.
or 24p or whatever, could daisy chain a couple
Jymmm: my host is 2500' from my antenna!
Ok, fiber optical cable then
you have a tractor to dig the ditch!
ok, I'll take mine black
sorry, only have blue
JT-Hardinge: Mole-plough? http://www.moleplow.co.uk/
anyway the ISP put a $600 wireless point to point router up on their tower and now that part is fine
got some latency-test numbers measured now: http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/isolcpus_8k.png
andypugh: yea, the cable installers usually use that type of rig for underground cables
seems to start out at 4-5k with no load, and then if you really torture the machine it can jump up to 7-8k
this should be ok, I'm using a m5i20 card and servos anyway, so no need for fast step generation
Had my coffee in the pasture with the sheep. beautiful California fall morning
(problem with petting sheep is the lanolin: what a mess)
isn't that a good hand moisturizer?
Its supposed to be good for your hands but this is black, mixed with clay dust and smells stongly of sheep
Spartan 6s are really neat about 1/2 the cost / gate as spartan3 and twice as fast (ClockHigh on HM2 can be 200 MHz)
Hows the fest?
They seem busy
I didn't make it this time. working on getting way convers back on the k&t
If you're putting the covers on, must mean your almost done
heh - lots of tweeking - but getting there :)
added a spindle speed readout to a pyvpc pannel, Now I need to add a bunch of buttons like pallet change and such.
I guess there a bit between getting everything to move and a usable tool
yes - hope to actally finish it and not say - 'hey it sort of works - lets use it!'
I've done that...
heh I started cutting with just 2 axes :)
hand ajusting the others
the spindle speed seems to track pretty well. the ratios I calculated must have been pretty close.
Jymmm: this is what is on top of my tower http://www.tranzeo.com/products/radios/TR-902-Series
JT-Hardinge: Just curious, what do you have a tower for? JUST internet, or ???
yea, just internet
uncle has a similar setup
no other option other than satellite.
or ewww dialup
I think there is a deal right now that will give you sat internet for about 39 a month (goverment internet program)
JT-Hardinge: So, from the tower, you have a wireless setup to your home?
no, cat5e wire down to the shop to a switch then on down to the beer cave to the cisco router
then back up to here to another switch to feed all the machines out here
tower to switch??? Not router?
Uh, most routers will up the signal.
tower to router to switch(es)
That isolates your lan
I need the router in the house so the wifes laptop can get a good wireless signal from the router
Oh, not just a router, but an AP
I have two switches up here
one just to pass the internet down to the router
one to be downstream of the router up here to pass everything around the lan
I see what you're doing, but in your case you swould call it an AP, not a router.
Becasue that's what you're using it as, an AP. Not any of the capabilities/features of a router.
what is an AP?
AP == Wireless Access Point
all of my beer cave computers are connected to the router as well as all these up here via the second switch
Most ppl dont, but for example you can isolate wifi and wored traffic using a router, a switch can't do this.
I just use switch #1 to extend the internet down to the router as it is >500' from tower top to router
and I didn't have one of those boost thingies
Yes, I understand your setup. But it's NOT how I would do it.
how would you do it?
I told you already =)
tower to router to switch(es)/AP's
The router can also serve as a firewall
No, your not understnating
Dont think of your routers as a point to connect to wifi.
think of them as AP's.
I only have one router
Again, Dont think of your routers as a point to connect to wifi.
You can turn a linksys/csico router into a dumb AP.
how do you do that?
I think it is pretty dumb now
That's what I do. I have two of them so I have full coverage all around the house, but only the main router gives out IP addresses and the AP's use the same SSID but different channels. So I can move from the front to thte back of the hoouse any never lose connection.
I have the same setup
what is the advantage of putting the router in the shop instead of using the switch as a booster?
I'm going to be going a step further and setup VLAN's for the wifi and the wired LAN.
JT-Hardinge: security primarily.
in case someone breaks in my house?
Ever hear of war driving?
War driving is where ppl look for wifi AP's
they just drive down the road looking for signals
they would get shot out here :)
they dont have to even step on the property
they use fancy antennas, etc
Jymmm: I live on a dead end dirt road off of a dirt road out in the woods anyone with a fancy antenna would get shot at
Let me ask you this.... the switch between the tower and the router, is ANYTHIGN else plugges into it?
so how could they get a signal from my switch?
Just two cables plugged into that switch?
yep it is just being used as a booster
So, no other computer is plugged into it?
there is no computers plugged into the switch
WIFI is super easy to break into.
even with encryption
wpa isn't 'that easy'
Yeah, it is.
WPA2-Enterprise (not WPA2-Personal) is fairly strong.
But VLAN and/or VPN is best
Setting the mac access list in the router is always a good idea to keep the hitchhikers off
Yes, but very easily circumvented.
you just sniff it
[19:23:11] <JT-Hardinge> http://imagebin.ca/view/AqsHVU.html
* JT-Hardinge wanders off to take a nap
name a few cheap, easy to machine plastics with good qualities
good quality for job A != good quality for job B
well I cant see any plastic that anyone asks for "easy to break" :P
since when is delrin cheap?
its quite pricey
but might be cheaper than cibatool....
uhmw is pretty cheap
making weapon dummies so it needs to take some "abuse"
cutting boards are usually uhmw
although if you buy Delrin you keep my taxes low ;)
* pfred1 lives in the land of Dupont ...
poor Seaford is like a ghost town since they closed the nylon plant there :9
[19:56:18] <pfred1> http://www.usacitiesonline.com/decountyseaford.htm
"The Nylon Capital of the World"
Delrin is cheap compared to polyimide
(Check the prices of Vespel)
my distributor has pretty much identical prices on PA and POM
PA being somewhat less expensive
plastic is cool stuff though I always wanted to learn how to home recycle the stuff
I've often thought about getting an old pot putting it on a fire and chucking a bunch of old milk jugs in there and seeing what'd happen to it
I mostly haven't done it because i figure it'd just burst into flame or something with my luck
[20:59:20] <Jymmm> http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/food/10-fast-food-items-turned-into-fancy-dishes-2409342/
boot|sleep is now known as bootnecklad
Jymmm I had to stop reading when they got the the part about scraping the toppings off a Pizza Hut pizza
you know you love it
fast food is murder!
Yea! the 3 cat6e cables are inside of the conduit
ries_ is now known as ries
I was looking at a sample page from a semi-nude calendar a friend of mine is in (naked sidecar-racing girls obscured by bike parts, pit boards, that sort of thing). I am concerned that I spotted a typographical error.
andypugh: platinum is the highest rating on the board
There should be a 6031 next. Then EN24
with a servo spindle drive orientating the spindle for tool change should be fairly straight forward?
But I think it is possible with an ordinary (and cheap) induction motor
You can always stall against a pawl at very low speed.
I'm thinking about my BP with a servo spindle drive
and what I might have to do when the DOS controller takes a hike
Yes, that should be embarassingly simple.
You have a mux to switch between speed-control and PID position control of the spindle. Switch the mux on tool-change request, job done.
(I may be omitting a few _teeny_ technical details.
ok, switch between spindle and a rotary axis?
now to figure out where I really want the phone jack on the wall of the shop...
JT-Hardinge: Not really, just switch the spindle speed/direction signals from spindle-speed to the output of a PID controller that is ignored most of the time, but that has an output proportional to how far the spindle position is from 0.5.
I think it is probably about 8 lines of HAL.
ah, ok I understand now
If it works it is scarily simple.
my BP has a little smarts and picks the direction that is shortest to the next tool
heh - maybe in a bit. video is pretty crappy
[22:46:06] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/testing/DSCF1224.JPG
[22:46:32] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/testing/DSCF1231.JPG
some kind of slide gear
That looks to have worked.
I am going to try hexagonal boring on my lathe at some point :-)
JT-Hardinge: it is the only way we can get a timing belt on the spindle.
it will fit on the rear hex.
It's not the _only_ way. You could have screwed it onto the threaded stub.
But I do like your solution.
[22:57:01] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/spindle/belvel.JPG
goes on the small hex
is that for a spindle encoder?
I think I would have screwed a home-made encoder disc on that fine thread. Your way might well be better.
it will actually move about 1/8 to a 1/4 when the collet is clamped/unclamped
Your way is better :-)
Are those horrid screws and washers original?
thanks. - we actually had a while to think aboout it :)
we are not sure what the deal was with that
both spindles have it.
might have been some sort of in-the-field mod
I might be tempted to make some sort of collar.
There should at least be packers under the other side of the washer.
It's totally out of keeping with the incredible quality of the rest of the machine (and of your mods)
[23:06:41] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW6eXiMoFp8
we may have been going a little fast.. ;)
that 4 be 2 gets a lot of use :)
I think it is a 1X ;)
Yea! I have restored phone service to the shop... next up internet
What odd priorities!
JT-Hardinge what happened?
you can have phone without internet now?
I think i heard something about that once
back in the old days
though I'm all bundled here now phone TV net all same cable
naked ADSL here
sort of like they bill me three times for one service huh?
Fibre to the door here.
that is what i have
but on the wall of the house it gets split to coax
though we are sposed to be getting fiber to the home in the next few years
pfred1: sure its not docsys system?
Valen I have fios
pfred1: one of my cat5e cables had a fault so I replaced them all
high bandwidth coax in the street
no it is fiber on my property up to the wall box
I helped the guy put it in
why go fiber > coax
stuff doesn't lend itself to easy installation or working with
yeah but cat 5 does ;-.
because making fiber connecitons is expensive
they don't even do field connections
I think the way our thing is sposed to happen is they will basically be running an all IP network
100mbit or more
well my router thinks the set top boxes are just other IPs
so any service providers are probably going to just have fiber > switch
least that is how it looks when I log into the thing
and the tv set top boxes will stream the TV over IP
the tv signal though would be coming in over the coax though in a non IP format I'd wager
I got coax going to the router and all the set top boxes in the house
the fiber terminates on the outside wall
yeah it'll be running some kind of docsis thing
I've no idea what that is
do you also have ethernet into your set top box?
you were saying you can access them by IP
I was saying the router does
or they're on the config page as IPs
to the system the set top boxes are IPs
i do doubt that the TV content is going out over IP though
probably not probably modulated on another wavelength
though I do have on demand which I guess is some sort of streaming scheme
how on demand is it?
least when i select the stuff it seems to take some time to download then start
like instant or 15 minutes later
I haven't heard of anybody doing IPtv in a major way yet
sometimes it is a bit Mr. magoo when i hit play but usually fires up in under a minute
I'd wager they send it down as a channel just for you
yes I've no idea how it works though my set top boxes are DVRs too
I use mythtv and free to air tv for all my stuff
and the occasional trip to the video store ;->
I don't know if i get much of an air signal where I'm at
I know rabbit ears pick up nothing
kinda psychedelic.. http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/testing/DSCF1235.JPG
FTA is the main thing in australia, paytv has an adoption rate of ~30% I think
ther is an antenna on the roof but i never did figure out just what cable it is there was like a dozen in the place when I moved in then the satellite guy butchered most of those
that was how he marked the cables by cutting off their ends had i caught him I'd have crucified him for having done it
may have been feeding a bit fast
how does cutting off an end mark a cable :-<
it tells you it is not one yo uwant to use
other than marking it as fucked
when I moved in there was literally a buncle of coax coming up out of the floor in the living room
if its standard coax, screw on connectors are pretty cheap
I counted at least 12 wires
yes and work about as well
lol you americans and your coax ;->
pfred1: seems to be working well enough for me ;-P
the screw on ones do work better than the crimp ones
I've had a lot of trouble with them
I was under the impression the crimp ones were better, but you need a very good crimper
yes I guess the crimper i have isn't so swift
I prefer the factory ends over everything they have very nice crimpers
the antenna i have on the roof looks like it is just UHF to me and i think that is the only signal I could pick up here
I believe you guys have digital broadcast TV over there now
I think i have the potential to recieve 3 UHF channels here
yes we do it is the same channels though
the channels didn't change just the signals on them
yeah, here they have started adding new channels
here they're talking about eliminating all air broadcasts
If I'm back in a few then it worked... if not send out the
like #7 now has #7 which was their normal broadcast, #7two which has decent stuff on it and now they have braught out 7mate which has all "blokey" shows on it, like The A-Team etc
I'd hate to only have cable
costs so much and its just repeats that are full of ads
I used to love the original A Team show
if your already paying to watch it, shouldn't it come without ads
yeah thats what they are screening, the origionals
the way cable pricing is its pretty much crap
the recent movie was ok too
to get a specific channel yo uhave to subscribe to like 100 you'd never watch in bundles
people say a la carte would be so much better
but then again there are channels I find myself watching from time to time that I'd have never thought I would
on demand TV without ads would be worth it I reckons
a lot of times I'll do on demand because there is nothing i really want to watch when I sit down to watch
that is like tivo right?
check out hauppage pvr cards on ebay
to behonest I don't think I'm dedicated enough to even pick stuff to watch in advance
mythbuntu and mythdora are two ready to go distros
I was thinking all those shows that get canned, like firefly, dark angel etc, normally get funded to the tune of ~$1M an episode, if you got 1M people to pony up $1 per ep, you could skip the "networks" completely, basically buy the DVD box set with a really long delivery time, and download the eps as they come
I use mythbuntu
mostly i fall asleep in 15 minutes of turning a TV on anyways
I just need something that isn't so annoying it keeps me awake :)
its easy to use, I just tell it to reccord say the a team any time its on and when i want to watch tv, I have a bunch of A teams ready to go, and mostly without ads
know the feeling valen
I can never schedule me around when something is going to air
Oh I'd never go back
I've been using myth for years now
Valen the firefly movie really showed me the difference in cinematography between TV bufget and movie though
the movie was so much better
in some ways I prefered the tv
I mean just in the crafting of it
and the hokest TV show is that star trek next generation
I think I prefer the less is more approach of the tv budget
ship gets hit by something hten they dump a bunch of flexible duct work ont othe cast
less CGI, more "real" stuff
did farscape make it over to you guys?
I think I've heard of it
I love how much smoke is in the electronics of space ships in the future
might have been ob BBC or something
it was made in australia
but i don't watch BBC much
I love mad max
I must have seen that movie 50 times by now
best car stunts
heh was pretty cool
ever see the guy on the motorcycle who gets hit in the back of the head by the rear tire of the bike?
I havent seen it in quite a while
he wipes out on a bridge I believe
it had to have hurt!
I have like the original undubbed version on VHS I watch it from time to time
did they redub it into american for you lol
I don't much care what they're all saying anyways
well the accent is pretty thick on the original
there is still an accent on the dubbed version just a lot less thick