OT.. I saw the social network film about facebook . It sure portrays some of the people involved as horrible bunch of human beings! But then they probably are ;-)
I waso n facebook for a few minutes then I came to my senses
theorb is now known as theorbtwo
I laugh when I think that someone who has absolutly no social skills came up with it. The dough involved is mind boggling!
it seemed all to ocompetitive to me like pwople were just racking up friends counts
can anyone really have over 100 friends?
where would you find the time to take care of bodily functions?
Then I think of the Billions he's made and the laughter stops! ;-)
well he didn't make any of them off of me I begrudge no one their success
most people "know" about 50 people
as in interract with in a meaningfull way
pcncx: Its not the success I begruge but the power thing. I mean I was reading that facebook is buying companies left right and centre not for there offerings but for the talent.
paragon_ws so what is so wrong with that? people selling are getting rich talented people are still getting paid
I think it stiffles creativity and competition. Just my angle...
I donno i just read somewhere that myspace put up new wallpaper
myspace is rearranging its deck chairs
Valen yeah they way they used to have them was just too stifling
never heard the phrase rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic?
yes i have somebody's got to do it you know?
Will the band continue to play?
paragon_ws but of course everyone paid full price didn't they?
Is it still the case that every photo / message that a user posts belongs to facebook even if the account is closed?
why not they were dumb enough to upload it
How the hell did we survive before it ... lol
I still don't have a cell phone
never did don't think I ever will
Cell phones are handy but they have also got there draw backs. In the pre cell phone days people arranged to meet at a place and time. Now people arrange to meet at a place and time then call when your at the place and at the time to say they can't make it!
quit making appointments with flakes
atmega: I now only meet people who don't have a phone ;-)
paragon_ws well you could always just show up where they are and just surprise them
fatpandas1 is now known as fatpandas
OK in these directions it says to make a link to /usr/src/linux-headers-22.214.171.124-rtai called linux then to build rtai
these directions: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Debian_Lenny_Compile_RTAI
doesn't rtai need the real kernel source tree?
pcncx: It's been years since I last compiled rtai kernel but from memory I think it did then.
I've built the RT kernel but now i need to build RTAI itself
I'll keep looking for other directions on the net i guess to see if I can get a confirmation of this but it seems a bit strange to me
I' m reading the README.INSTALL file inside rtai-3.7.1 and it makes no sense to me
Does this help https://www.rtai.org/RTAILAB/RTAI-TARGET-HOWTO.txt
paragon_ws thanks I'll give it a look I hope so I don't want to screw this up here
paragon_ws yeah these other instruactions don't say anything about making the link
pcncx: What part is it that you are having the issue with with regards to your original link Section 3.?
3.3.1. Building the RTAI kernel modules package
are using debian?
see earlier they said to set the link /usr/src/linux to linux-headers-126.96.36.199-rtai
yes i am
so if i cd to /usr/src/linux I'll really go int othis library headers dir not the kernel source tree
is that really what I'm supposed to do?
Looks like it.... ln -s linux-headers-188.8.131.52-rtai linux
and it'll find rtai without the link?
like the page you gave me said to make maybe i missed it in these instructions let me reread them
maybe I just stink at reading but I'm not seeing it on this page
I guess it can't hurt for me to make it either the software uses it or it doesn't so whats the harm?
pcncx: do you have a directory linux-headers-184.108.40.206-rtai linux
pcncx: do you have a directory linux-headers-220.127.116.11-rtai
sure with a link to it called linux now
so if you go into /usr/src/linux you should see what was in linux-headers-18.104.22.168-rtai right?
so instead of my real kernel source tree being linked in /usr/src i have that linux-headers-22.214.171.124-rtai dir linked
yup its not the kernel source tree
No it module source tree.
its only 39MB the real thing is 586MB
so I'd say that the real thing has a few things this headers dir doesn't
but hey I'll give it a shot
pcncx, install rtai-source it will get you /usr/src/rtai-sources.tar.gz , install sources of your kernel (forget about linux-headers- as is wrong ), build your kernel (add rtai patches for your kernel) , and at the end off kernel build , the rtai-module-$your-kernel-name.deb will be build , good luck
pcncx: Sorry do you mean the rtai source module is 39m as opposed to the kernel?
no that headers dir linux-headers-126.96.36.199-rtai
you know the dir linked to linux in /usr/src now
linux -> linux-headers-188.8.131.52-rtai
pcncx, make sure to have
> 1 GB space in /usr/src
oh yeah i got loads of space thanks
I got 11 GB free in there
I did make this in /usr/src though rtai -> rtai-3.7.1
because the second set of instructions said to do it though the first set didn't
I'm going to give it a shot what do I have to lose?
in lenny rtai is 3.6.1-1 not -3.7.1...
pcncx: According to qq- the linux-headers are not required. Try a find for rtai-module-$your-kernel-name.deb
yeah this crap didn't work
I'm going to break that headers link and make one to the real kernel source tree
paragon_ws, that module is build on kernel building , is specific to the kernel
oh well I guess I'm done with all of this I can't figure it out
what does a tar tvf rtai-source.tar.bz2 show?
a lot of scrolling
does it start with ./linux ?
no it starts with modules/rtai/rtai-py/ etc etc
paragon_ws, no need to touch rtai-source.tar.bz2 , it is decompressed in /usr/src/module by kernel build
I have a dir in /usr/src called rtai-3.7.1
echo "Module $module does not exist"; \
Try the 3.3.1 section
I did that long ago
I'm up to past reboot
Linux scnc 184.108.40.206-rtai #1 Thu Oct 28 15:05:24 EDT 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
/exec -o uname -a
I have the RT stuff in the kernel now
now i need to do the RTAI step
wiki section 3.3.3?
oh no things go south for me at 3.3.1.
at the fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -rtai --added-modules rtai --config menuconfig modules_image command
I'm good up through reboot
past that no go
what error do you get (Module cannot be found?)
echo "Module $module does not exist"; \
so yes pretty much
ls /usr/src/modules/ , says ?
ls: cannot access /usr/src/modules/: No such file or directory
So you have cd /usr/src ; tar jxf rtai-source.tar.bz2; cd /usr/src/linux
you need to untar the rtai-source.tar.bz2
ls /usr/src/modules/ > rtai
paragon_ws it is
qq- now i have an empty file in /usr/src called rtai
nah , must be in /usr/src/modules/rtai
wh nI do that?
when I do that?
pcncx: you said that tar tvf jxf rtai-source.tar.bz2 displayed modules/rtai/rtai-py/ etc etc . If you untared it in /usr/src you should have something in /usr/src/modules
paragon_ws OK let me del that dir and try it again
ok ... make sure your in /usr/src when you run the tar command.
cd /usr/src/modules/rtai ; tar jxf ../../rtai-source.tar.bz2
then ls /usr/src/modules/rtai/ , says ?
now hold on here I have a few rtai archives here
I have rtai-source.tar.bz2 but i also have rtai-source_3.7.1-2_i386.deb rtai_3.7.1.orig.tar.gz and rtai_3.7.1-2.diff.gz
so I'm thinking that i did something special before I remember with that dif file
ok , i was wrong >>>> cd /usr/src/modules/rtai ; tar jxf ../../rtai-source.tar.bz2
do it in /usr/src/ only
/usr/src/modules/rtai is an empty file i can't cd to a file
pcncx: do this... cd /usr/src
oh I'm in /usr/src
then tar jxf rtai-source.tar.bz2
pcncx, and there tar jxf rtai-source.tar.bz2
paragon_ws thing is that is the raw archive i had to patch it and stuff
OH ok... what is the one you were left with?
oh wait maybe not
ls -lart will show the last file updated
at the bottom of list
that'd be the modules dir that qq- had me make
second from bottom
ok, now > ls /usr/src/modules/rtai/ , says ?
pcncx: I ma talking about these files ls -lart which one is last? I have rtai-source.tar.bz2 but i also have rtai-source_3.7.1-2_i386.deb rtai_3.7.1.orig.tar.gz and rtai_3.7.1-2.diff.gz
wait a minute
paragon_ws, those are debian file when you build a debian package from source , so non important for now
sure exceptr tai-source.tar.bz2
I unballed that thing lets see if it works now
skip it I'm done for tonight thinks for all your help
I'll erase this machine and give it another shot tomorrow sometime
what was the last file from these when executing a ls -lart rtai-source.tar.bz2 rtai_3.7.1.orig.tar.gz rtai_3.7.1-2.diff.gz
it is obviously botched up somehow
pcncx: I think your nearly there!
he is !
what error did you get?
I did too a half an hour ago I'm moving away fro mthat now though
same as i did echo "Module $module does not exist"; \
have you done the ls -lart with regards to the 3 tar files above?
do you have anything in /usr/src/modules ?
no i wiped that out
it should have made it when I did this fakeroot
because i never made it the last time
and it all worked then
I folled all of these instructions last week and EMC worked
I'll just wipe this all out save my kernel config and run through it one more time I'm sure it'll be OK
pcncx: Do this exactly buddy...
or maybe I'll take up golf there are a lot of nice courses around me
the instructions work I've done them I just missed something somewhere on them
ln -s linux-headers-220.127.116.11-rtai linux
tar jxf rtai-source.tar.bz2
fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -rtai --added-modules rtai --config menuconfig modules_image
you mean like this? http://pastebin.com/pjADtkGW
yeah I've tried that three times already
and the third time wasn't a charm for me!
they should change this on the page "Boot with the new RTAI kernel. " because i think it is just the new RT kernel
did you delete the modules dir?
it makes things more confusing than they already are
i cant see it!
well that is the capper then isn't it pastebin isn't even working for me
[01:35:32] <qq-> http://pastebin.com/pjADtkGW
though i was able to load the page in another browser window
iv'e got the pastebin ok but I cant see a modules directory in the list
some days you can only get so far you know?
no i said i blew i away
I shouldn't have to need to make it the scripts should
ok in the /usr/src directory tar jxf rtai-source.tar.bz2
tomorrow this whole machine gonna see the mkfs -ext2
if I don't do it tonight
nah if i screw this stuff up somewhere it doesn't work that is what happened the last time
and i never completely straightened it out
/home is on another partition so not such a huge loss pretty bad but not super huge
I'll keep my kernel config and my sources.list
I found a sweet debian mirror earlier i get great speed out of
I just spent to much time jerking around configuring the kernel this time around and messed up the steps in the process
yeah I tried that it gave me a crappola mirror
some rig in texas could barely push 200 kb/s
Im on a us robotics 2800bps ;-)
Oh the dayyyyyssss
I'm on slow fios
which is still OK
but it is slow for fiber
I get maybe 2 MB/s
Ntlworld 50M sec
i hate you all
I get ~400kbyte/sec
Valen, hate you ISP
all these speed test sites need flash
lol... I got it for the same price as the 20M I was on as I complained that I had been with them for 7 years ladadada... and they were offering the 50 to new customers cheaper than I was paying... Or im leaving... ;-)
what the hell what did everyone do before flash?
qq i'm on ADSL and sync at ~8mbit
okey , ssry
oh well you can't test your network speed without flash today I guess
most sites won't go over 500 kb/s
get domething from your isp's mirrror
what the hell is wrong with all of these people?
I just checked http://www.giganews.com/performance.html
and that flash too!
ha ha I smoked them all
[01:51:19] <pcncx> http://performance.toast.net/results.asp?testtype=4&loadtime=1.214
I guess I'm 5MB/s
still for fiber we got crap connection here though it does seem to have improved since i last checked it out
Loaded 754,928 bytes in 1.214 seconds from 1&1 server.
4975Kb Loaded 754,928 bytes in 1.214 seconds from TOAST.net II server
hmmm what are the odds we bot hgot the same speed>
maybe this test is rigged?
I ran it from a virtual machine and my host and got the same also.
did you run it from here? http://performance.toast.net/default.asp
because the other page was my results
duh thatle be why then... lol
ah that is more like it I only got 1262 kb/s i thought i was under 2 MB/s
either that or this comp is just so dog slow loading an image in a browser
Loaded 754,928 bytes in 3.422 seconds from 1&1 server. VM
Loaded 754,928 bytes in 2.681 seconds from 1&1 server. Host
I think that last test was so slow because my system couldn't handle the image in the browser
I ma getting like 1658Kb on a 50mb cable... :-(
[02:02:17] <paragon_ws> http://www.giganews.com/performance.html
Oh you don't have flash do you?
The VM was hogging up memory getting 3149Kb now :-)
man i could just about line up 9 out of 10 webmasters on the Internet today and brainpan them all and sleep like a baby afterwards you know?
the scuzballs say one thing on google yo ugo to their page and it is a new story
its like here have a plate of spam!
yeah it's only going to get worse too...
Fetched 820kB in 1s (436kB/s)
it didn't even have enough time to warm up
apt-get install fortune
i thought the base period max jitter was what was used for the base_period?
but in stepper config I put in 5000 and it says min base period:13500 but the ini has a base-period of 100000
that is the ini that the stepper config program right out! ??
I don't know I use the gui config
least i did when I ran disc EMC2
the one in the cnc drop down?
I got it off the gnome menu iirc
Yep thats the same one I am using.
you have to pick the correct config when you start as well
I screwed that up initially
The first screen asks for max jitter at the bottom but it after writing the file out it the ini has a base_period of 100000 for a max jitter of 5000. seems a bit excessive.
that is kooky
I never got into checking out the actual ini files
never got that far along with it i can't stand Ubuntu
It's a lot easier than the EMC1 I can tell you ;-)
I ran BDI long long ago
when all there was was like that blue front end
back in 2001
but my motor driver project didn't go so hot and i let it all go for a bit
I had issues building a power supply that'd drive more than one stepper
I duck in and out depending on time and wot not.
I built a mad power supply though
I donno how many amps it can deliver I know it can push over 300 watts at 24 volts though
I never load tested it anymore than that i figured that was enough
i've got too many projects that I jump into and out of. One of my favs is the induction heater project
[02:25:59] <pcncx> http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6414/pict0576h.jpg
well it is doing 300 watts at almost 14 volts in that pic and it was nothing to it wasn't even getting warm
each bulb there is drawing about 2 amps
Got the induction heater working with a pic chip to scan the for and then lock onto the resonant frequency it monitors the voltage out from a 4046 PLL and then feed in a correction voltage to the PLL VCO.
pcncx = pfred1?
yeah I'm into current projects anymore
Like it :-)
ok, my mistake
thought you sounded familiar
DaViruz oh what it is me I just didn't move my account to this machine
the password and all couldn't be bothered you know
here let me double log
this machine even has flash
This guy is way ahead of my game ... http://www.mindchallenger.com/inductionheater/induction2.html
you can call yourself whatever you want i just wanted to satisfy my curiosity :)
I'm done with that other machine until I redo it
its hours are numbered
paragon_ws here is my last EMC2 setup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgbeyNNBZ68
that whole computer bit the dust
caps blew up the mobo unrelated to EMC2
pfred1: Nice Job :-)
paragon_ws the video is crappy took it with a camera here is a picture of it: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8343/tb6560board.jpg
where is my whacky BOB?
Like it... BTW what are those probes called the ones with the hook on the end? I need to get some.
right I've gotta hit the sack guys ... CU...
Arrr microclips .... Thanks pfred1 ... Catch you all on the morrow.
miama or ez-hook are the best
though EZ-hooks aren't too easy on the wallet usually
[03:16:52] <cradek> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJFXcgObUlk
I found a new use for EMC... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INsSU8Jnx-4&feature=player_embedded#!
Jymmm: hal and ladder maybe...
cradek: that's what I was thinking... 112 channels
L84Supper: yes, 3.8M nS
this is nice. would like to know more about how it generates the XML file and auto-rotates the work place for the angle of the fixture... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwRYEo5YtCc
Connor: KimK_ said (sent via !later) Re: routing the rounded wood piece, couldn't you use a ball-nose cutter and rastering, as in the "Tux" example at nc_files/examples/3D_Chips.ngc ?
cradek: neat video
anyway, it's working, yay!
[#emc] "This is the #emc channel - talk related to the Enhanced Machine Controller and general machining. Website: http://www.linuxcnc.org/,
wiki at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/"
what kind of devices work for my limits of travel, normal micro switches, optical sensors, water tiight switches...etc?
they will be mounted on an enco mini-lathe from harbor freight that I am cnc'ing
Do you have to primer MDF to paint it?
or would magnetic switch be a better option considering chips(could interfere with optical or even microswitches) and same problem with coolant interfeering with optical, and possibly shorting micro switches?
willburrrr2003: I used normal micro switches on my plasma cutter
todays CAM-ramblings: http://www.anderswallin.net/2010/10/adaptive-sampling-drop-cutter/
Done Done Done
* pcncx sings the Dragnet theme song ... Done da Done Done
thanks for your input JT , my concern with normal micro switches for my limits is that I will have coolant spraying all over at some point and I worry they will short... am I being over-cautious?
willburrrr2003 next time you're in a car wash look around for open frame motors :)
willburrrr2003 don't be too surprised if you see a few too!
hehe got the motors covered, I have nema rated steppers ;)
yeah but they're running 3 phase 208 V
BTW car washes are scary...the things the jury rigged at my buddy's place ....never took my car there once I saw the things they did...
you could always put your switches into plastic bags
it'd offer them some protection
thought about the plastic bags, it is an option....
willburrrr2003: no, in that case I would use proximity switches that are water proof
though I'm sure a chip could rip the bag
I was considering magnetic switches though, and wouldn't have to worry about a bag then
yeah reed switches
though I'm not so sure how position accurate they are
ok guys, some good thoughts there :)
how accurate are hall effects in linear applications?
should hopefully have my control panel wired this weekend, and start getting movement out of my lathe...this weekend looks to be exciting :D
though i guess really you'd want to go with a knife and emitter detector pairs
I got a bunch here but initially I'm going the easy micro switch route myself
down the road when I'm in the mood to tackle another electronics project I'll mess around with the emitter detector pairs I have
something tells me its not just a simple matter of wire them up to the barrier block and call for a Miller
willburrrr2003: if you use magnet switches just imagine what happens the first time you cut some ferrous material in your lathe...
yeah i didn't think about that
a prox does not suffer from that issue when chips are about
they wold attract quite the shaggy chip beard wouldn't they?
you could sort of put a shield over it to deflect most swarf
instead of permanent magnets you could use coils with a series switch just turn them off to clear them
but I still don't think you can get positive positioning out of reed switches
man talk about switch bounce!
I bet microswitches in balloons would hold up for a fair amount of time get those water balloon balloons they're thick rubber
last pack I bought I think I got at the 7 11 but it was summer time
they make awseome acetylene bombs!
they go off like a half a stick
hey has anyone here ever had the Edit program with the Rox-Filer suite crash on them when running EMC2?
Sig 11 fatal io error (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server "0:0" after 783509 requests (783506 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
Question ..... I have upgraded to EMC2.4.5 and now all my subs don't work anymore.... it cannot open file <200> where 200 is the sub routine in the prgram... can anyone comment
please pastebin.com your gcode file
Oh... I will have to create a small program to do that
what is wrong with 200?
from what version did you upgrade to 2.4.5?
umm... 2.3.3 I think it was
ok, so across a major version
exactly what do you type and what error do you get?
It errors on the line O100 call
With "Unable to Open file <100>
It is not case sensitive
where is the changelog for EMC2? I want to know if i should upgrade from 2.4.4 or not :)
what's the filename for o100?
O100 is within the file it is loading
hey how come 2.4.5 isn't even on the website?
oh it's not in a separate file?
if you put the sub/endsub above the call (before M2) does it work?
doesn't the sub have to be before the call?
Hmm, will try that
I don't think that behavior changed...?
pretty sure when it hits M2, it stops
Certainly seems to have :)
wow JT, I did not consider the magnetic attraction to the chips....can't believe that....must be the end of a long week here hehe ;)
Ahhhh, it is now sensitive to the position in the file and has to be decalred before it is called
It never used to be like that
Thanks for the help though Cradek
Oh and JT
* pcncx decides to upgrade
micges I've already unpacked the tarball but thanks :)
actually I read this and was compelled: http://sourceforge.net/projects/emc/files/emc2/2.4.x/emc2_2.4.4/emc2_2.4.4.releasenotes/view
is it out of date?
hey does this matter? checking for rtai... not found
it didn't seem to the last time I built EMC but I figured I'd ask this time around
really it looks like configure misses a lot of rtai maybe I don't have these things?
the only thing it does find is rtai_sched... /usr/realtime/modules/rtai_sched.ko
they're not in that dir I don't think
micges 2.4.4 gave me the same stuff but it seems to work
and when I did a net search for it I found a page on linuxcnc where it happened to someone else and it worked for them too
[22:57:28] <pcncx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/compile_farm//emc2.2branch_slot2_log.txt
which was why i said the heck with it earlier it worked for them and just went ahead and built it
Mendelbuild is now known as mendelnight
pcncx, that log you linked to is from a build of EMC2 that was done in February f last year, on the oldest version of Ubuntu that was ever used for EMC2
so I wouldn't count it as relevant at this point
SWPadnos well it worked for them and it worked for me too
what is "it"?
the whole package
though this build just failed
looks like that sed deal to me
it looked as though you needed help or something, but I hadn't read the last line you wrote ;)
error: implicit declaration of function ‘pci_find_device’
I have to go sed that
what is up with that pci_find_device in hal/drivers anyways?
there are PCI cards with HAL drivers ...
but why do i have to sed -i 's/pci_find_device/pci_get_device/g' *.c there?
um. you shouldn't have to do that, unless you're building on a kernel that no longer has pci_find_device
in which case you probably have to make other changes as well (I'm not sure)
oh is that why
I don't know the other one seemed to work
* pcncx gets ready to test drive his shiny new emc2-2.4.5!
woooo ... EMC2/AXIS version 2.4.5
there is nothing quite like that new software smell now is there?
is gcode supposed to have asian symbols in it?
yeah i didn't think it did I wonder why mine does?
this is what it looks like a screenshot: http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/369/funnyl.png
it looks like there is a little man standing in the gcode