theorb is now known as theorbtwo
wholly smokes I was concentrating on this diff -y here so hard I had an out of body experience!
fest in in Wichita?
thats like 4 days of driving from Vancouver!
2nd build and I'm online!
LawrenceG: Start driving now =)
LawrenceG: whats happening
[04:27:06] <LawrenceG> http://imagebin.ca/view/6FPotuS.html
LawrenceG: Just working on the air scrubber here (still)
Jymmm you dive?
pcncx: Kinda of a personal question dont you think?
Jymmm what else would you need an air scrubber for?
you are practically on the way! want me to pick you for fest?
pcncx: My laser... http://www.engraversnetwork.com/uls/m300.html
LawrenceG: who me?
Jymmm you got sharks too?
LawrenceG: Sure, if you go 800 miles south first =)
need to put some miles on the jeep
LawrenceG: But, It's Kansas..
well it is centrally located
bout as far away as you can get from everywhere!
south might be a good idea this time of year
So is SFO =)
I hate to say it, but I can't see any purpose for traveling east of Colorado
my general rule is don't go west of the Mississippi
world ends long before then anyways
The south is just muggy and humid.
New England is cold
I wonder if anyone has welded up a set of wheels on a bridgeport and towed it cross country with a wrangler
(without getting arrested)
Jymmm upstate Maine is nice
pcncx: Maybe for visiting in the fall with the autumn leaves.
Jymmm oh there's no trees with leaves there
its all pine
I got OR and WA and NorCal for that.
when you go there you know how an ant feels running around in a lawn
Ontario needs a'fest
millions and millions of acres of nothing but pine trees
silly Linux conference was cancelled :(
I can't even believe 2nd kernel build and i got online I'll have to fix that wit hthe next build I do
Potland would be a good west coast fest location
Portland... although potland could work!
isnt that near you Jymmm
LawrenceG: Yeah, it's on the ballot this year.
more northern ca
Wackenhut needs inmates
LawrenceG: Well, medical MJ, is legal in Calif now.
pot heads make the best prisoners!
if a fest was happening on a Canadian long weekend... I might be able to do the drive ;)
Jymmm no it isn't it violates federal and international laws
LawrenceG: $60 gets you legal anywhere in calif.
until they can figure out how to outlaw stupidity i say keep the drug laws on the books they're our only protection!
pot has never killed anyone. They could tax it for entertainment purposes, and helps those in need for medicinal purposes, and is natural.
stupidity has killed on the other hand.....
that's natural too
known side effects.... excessive craving for nacho chips
yeah I'm not seeing people getting any smarter puffing the funny stuff
take off the warning labels and let evolution take over
LawrenceG show somebody stoned a box of Yodels I dara ya
yodels? doesnt translate to canuck
LawrenceG wow you guys don't have Drakes cakes?
been a while since I have done much shopping, but it doesnt sound familiar
they were better years ago
pcncx, yea much fresher!
LawrenceG I think they had more saturated fats in them back then
anyone ever wonder why the kernel .config file is hidden?
off to bed
I'll tell you this EMC2 stuff really makes you learn about Linux
pcncx, you may like this
[05:04:36] <skinnypup> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/HelperTree
skinnypup instructions on how to make a live image?
I tried to do that once years ago man it was complicated
basically but the amount of customizing you can do there is unlimited
well its not like we don't have the source code ;)
hear ya :)
so yes it is basically limited only by the hardware you're running on
and if you're godo with a soldering iron even that can be hacked
skinnypup it is pure dumb luck I got an internet connection on the second build this try
I was just about to reboot to do some searching when I said let me do an ifconfig and I saw an IP in it
there is still stuff i need to sort out
like when I'm in menuconfig it locks some stuff on me and i can't deselect it
I got this junk called hugetlbfs why I don't know!
i need to squeeze a new xorg into lenny so i can use www.intellinuxgraphics.org drivers on my atom 330 and 510
if this machine ever was a 16GB file I think it'd burst into flames
will be the next linux hurdle i hop
well I'm running with no gfx drivers now
being as the other ones gave me so much troubles
if i had r128 loaded it's lock my machine up when I started EMC2
well it was strange i could still move my mouse cursor around but it'd do nothing
i saw some of that scanning through earlier
like i always have focus follows mouse on my windows but they wouldn't even raise
and you couldn't click on anything
and the keyboard was dead too
but I didn't have this module called endev loaded then
ive had that a few times when i had 10k browser tabs open ....
or enedev? I can't remember i have it noted in a file someplace
so I will give it another shot with that going and see if it clears it up or not
but right now I'm in X with no drm or r128 drivers
but I'm here so go figure
just did an lsmod and saw it
hey do I need ipv6? I never use the stuff
stuff is horking back a ton of RAM
sometimes i see people on IRC using it but I've really no idea how to
I swear they're going to be chasing after me with butterfly nets if i keep on working on this project
* Jymmm pulls out the tranq gun
a couple more rounds of tweaking this kernel and I'm going to be tweaking
[07:41:33] <Jymmm> http://www.reuters.com/news/video/story?videoId=163932228&videoChannel=2602&refresh=true
Jymmm: wtf are they talking about 'labour shortage' ?
there are more people now then there ever has been.
elmo40: what you talking about?
that reuters video about the robot... the japanese guy in there said (paraphrasing) 'this is good for the labour shortage we will have'.
and I say what damn shortage? we have a shortage of employment!
Oh, in Japan as most workers are in their 60's aka baby boomers
is there... so japan is way different then every other country? I don't buy it.
because kids in the last 15 years have been brought up with the 'tech bubble/bust' and think it is the best (easiest) way to make money. They don't realize that actually making the parts is still required ;)
Yeah i halfway wanted to stick the robot in the woodchipper....
Has anyone managed to get EMC2 Axis running over Xming (X11) ? Every time the Gui starts i get fatal error popup on windows.
I have used Cygwin, but not Xming
SWPadnos: And that displayed the axis gui ok?
try tkemc. If that works, it points somewhat at an improper (or missing) openGL on xMing
tkemc worked ok.
seeing the tkEMC gui has taken me back a few years ;-)
Huh! The axis gui has started up after I ran the tkEMC gui but the preview is blank? Weird
Yep must be! Any ideas for a solution?
google is silent about it?
Found this ... Xming uses either [WWW]Mesa or [WWW]Microsoft WGL [WWW]OpenGL for rendering 3D graphics. But...
there is large troubleshooting page on xorg
glxgears works with xming
[16:00:16] <psha> http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/trouble.php
oops not xorg
(for a semi-random data point)
glxgears starts but is so so slow. Not surprised really.
psha: That the same page I took the above quote from ;-)
have you tried various environ quirks described there?
btw small poll: what gladevcp widgets are missing and needed?
psha: none - you already did the one I needed
I have (lets call it) a bed of nails, and there is airflow horizontally thru the bed. I'd like some way to incorporate a vacuum holddown when placing a piece of material on the nail. any suggestions?
hollow nails ?
No, they are 0.093" pins.
sounds contrary to nature
I mean, impossible
you can't hold something with vacuum unless you have two matching surfaces that make a seal
It doens't have to be perfect, mostly a downward draft
a strong draft preffered.
hmm, is there a special instruction to tell emc to do a tool set?
that is when you using a tool setter to set the tool offset
It's the DOWN part I can't figure out. I though of maybe diaganal slats to direct the airflow
mrsunshine: does this help? http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=emc2.git;a=blob;f=nc_files/tool-length-probe.ngc;h=8b41233d2afe19ef6b9f17706108d0eb356f066b;hb=HEAD
skunkworks, cant realy figure how to use it :/
mrsunshine, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.1/html/gcode.html http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode_main.html
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hi all here from germany
has there been any issues with Test This Axis in Stepconf in the past?
I think the problems I had were due to mouse over the button problems
or yes but never quantified what it was
JT-Work, I seem to recall some people saying that things worked in the test but not in emc, or the other way around
by that I mean that I think I've seen both claims
are you talking on 10.04 RTI
I'm not sure which version he has
[17:36:55] <JT-Work> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,16/id,4878/lang,english/#4907
ok by for me its dark here
estop out on pin 1 - I don't know that the test will activate/deactivate that
(if it's needed for the driver)
he didn't say that he had inverted the estop output (only the input)
I'm thinking that it only puts out step and direction
if that isn't it, it may be time for him to post his .stepcond file
I bet it is the e-stop pin
maybe there should be an option in the test window to turn on/off estop and/or to enable a charge pump
if either is selected as an output
that would make sense
a.y i.tel D510 board users here?
sorry for dots so.e letters are faulty :)
What manual explains the .ini directives in detail. I have noticed that the new manuals that are released with the version 2.4 Ubuntu 10.04 release are more geared around the graphical configurators?
[19:09:04] <skunkworks> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_config.html
cradek: btw - so far the 'only shift when the S word changes seems to work well. So - as you move the spindle overrid up and down - the gears don't shift/
it is odd though pressing the +/- spindle buttons in axis (which changes the s word) because each time you press the buttons more likely than not the gear will change. :)
I do have it setup so if you do change the s word while the spindle override is 0 - it will shift to the correct gear when the overide goes above 0.
SOB... drill press table has been unsquare with quill all this time!!! ARGH
skunkworks: sounds perfect. how long for the locking rotary?
dad is working on mounting the b axis servo. we are using a floor scrubber motor. (low rpm - high torque)
is the unlock hydraulic?
it actually lifts the table off of the coupling/
so it raises about 1/2 inch or so.
a switch says it's succeeded?
easy peesy ;)
cool, that's what emc wants.
that is the 5 degree increment coupling
I don't understand what that does
loses encoder position?
really, not seeing it
no - the table can only be set down at 5 degree increments.
ok, that I get
so the table lifts off the coupling (big ring that has teeth in it (not the ring gear))
but the servo stays coupled, or no?
servo stays coupled
good - that would be srazy otherwise
the servo rotates the table (has to rotate it an amount exactly divisable by 5 degrees) and then the hydraulics set the table back down on the coupling.
I have a hard time explaining it well.
so it's not really a coupling - just a lock
they call it a (and I have the spelling wrong I am sure) cervic coupling (and I don't know if it is meant to be the same as womans cervic or I am spelling it wrong)
does anybody get this error when running ./usr/realtime/test-suite/user/latency/run: CANNOT INIT MASTER TASK ???
and is that normal? also if i replace user with kern, i get all blanks. no 0s, or anything
Normally you would run the /kernel/latency test
that doesnt work. it worked once but thats it
What do you get if you just type "latency-test" in the terminal?
pastebinning example. 1 sec
You can't pastebin the output of latency-test
im not. :)
[20:21:49] <NTU_live> http://pastebin.com/5PQ2Sc4g
im just popping back in this channel to re-ask something. why does latency-test show all 0s on my dads motherboard but works on my own board? both AMD 785 chipset.
oh and EMC doesnt work. USRMOT: ERROR: command timeout USRMOT: ERROR: command timeout USRMOT: ERROR: command timeout /usr/bin/emc: line 358: 4993 Killed $EMCTASK -ini "$INIFILE"
1 sec :)
Whats the kernel version on the working machine and the non-working machine?
same version 188.8.131.52
btw same problem on ubuntu live cd
RTAI kernel patch and userspace from cvs magma tree
Line 45 onwards looks like a non-rtai kernel
(Or something else which badly breaks rtai)
[20:30:15] <NTU_live> http://pastebin.com/JNXSAJ96
it is RTAI kernel
because it all works on my board
this is mobo specific i think
Could be a BIOS setting
too cryptic for me :(
oh also, acpi=off causes hard lock on system when loading rtai modules
i'll better go to bed... :)
good night! ;D
Well, I can tell you that RTAI is loading then quitting without botherig to say why/
I guess "halrun" fails too?
halrun -V says some stuff
what do you want me to run in halrun?
just type halrun all by itself
it wants something
That sounds happy enoigh
loadrt threads period1=1000000 name1=slow
(possibly "show thread")
[20:38:43] <NTU_live> http://pastebin.com/zpvs1Uqs
i type in start, show doesnt say anything new
[20:41:30] <NTU_live> http://pastebin.com/A7nfGMgA
Ah, yes. Because the thread is empty
addf sum2.0 slow
[20:43:38] <NTU_live> http://pastebin.com/TPBYxvfa
whats supposed to happen?
try start again?
Period FP Name ( Time, Max-Time )
999841 YES slow ( 100, 1010 )
thread running, 100nS
sorry, no ideas
Is dmesg saying anything now?
im going try running halrun -V loadrt <all RT mods here>
hopefully something shows up
you can use "source filename.hal"
[20:49:12] <NTU_live> http://pastebin.com/GWCgas5T
EMCMOT not found.. normal?
I don't know for sure that halrun can pull values out of INI files.
what do you recommend for a hal file?
Depends what you are hoping to do.
I don't think anyhting is going to actually work.
If you can't make a thread run with a sum2 in it, then loading a more complex HAL file is just going to fail in more ways
I would be tempted to look very hard at the BIOS settings of the machine that does work in comparison to the one that doesn't. (You did say they were the same CPU / mobo combination?)
PHENOM II X4 955 vs PHENOM II X3 720 BE @ 3.2 Ghz + 1 unlocked core
If one works with a livecd boot and one doesn't (identical kernels and software and settings) then it has to be hardware or BIOS settings I would have thought.
what is USRMOT? any idea?
[20:56:53] <NTU_live> http://pastebin.com/A0yjtrhg
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if you put "DISPLAY = usrmot" in the [DISPLAY] section you get a command-line interface to emc2.
(which I learned approximately 30 seconds ago)
the errors that come in axis in the right lower corner get stored anywhere?
like a history?
I think they also go to stdio, but you only get to see that if you start emc from the command line
so emc uses printf?
i dont really look at emc source..
It uses rtapi_snprintf I think.
i replaced tkemc with usrmot in servo_sim.ini and get http://pastebin.com/VbctS75k
so it seems that usrmot and USRMOT are different things?
i dont know, tbh i just want this to work :P
That error message only appears in the usrmotinf.cc file.
You are using the standard servo_sim.ini file?
#usrmot: can't find emcmot ini file emc.ini can't load ini file emc.ini
is there a way i can get real back trace or since emc is #!/bin/bash you cant get any?
id love to run latency-test via gdb but.. :(
the servo_sim works for me, so I can't help
oh cool it randomly worked this time
That's only semi-cool
[21:26:38] <NTU_live> http://pastebin.com/gGnmVS80
That's pretty shocking latency.
Chaps, I just wanted to ask what I could expect from the 7i43 driving msd542 stepper drives which have the capability to step x128 (25600) per rev?
i suppose i could forward this to the rtai mailing list
and ask why not even the built in latency-test reports /dev/null
[21:30:03] <andypugh> http://pastebin.com/ZDw6YjsQ
its fake output
this mobo cant have that bad of latency
paragon_ws: I should drive them OK, but it is very debatable whether there is any point in that level of microstepping
I seem to recall that very high microstepping multipliers lead to wierdness
I was originally running them at 400 steps/rev direct from the paraport but was seeing following errors when attempting to up the speed. Also the motors seemed to run rough. What would be a good u step to go with?
I think I was also running EMC V2.2 or something (from vague memory).
im off to make a 64-bit EMC + RTAI live cd now :D hope it works! i dont expect anything new to change though...
paragon_ws: Following errors with p-port stepgen are a bit "fake"
What a stepgen following error means is that the base thread is not fast enough to keep up with the step rate you are demanding.
I would experiment and see what works best. Some folk have reported better speed at 8x than 4x, and some the reverse. I don't know anyone using more than 8x though.
andypugh: I remember playing around with the base thread to try and improve it but even then I think I maxed it so I purchasing a pluto-p but this had issues so have now purchased the 7i43. Hence the enquiry with regards to the 7i43 and steps/rev.
steps/sec is possibly more relevant, but what can the drivers manage (ie what is the step time and space time ?)
The pulse input is rated from 0-300Khz according to documentation of the driver.
anyone know of a 3ph induction motor manufacturer that has 3d models of their motors?
DaViruz: Afraid not.
heh it was a BIOS setting..
ACC (Advanced Clock Calibration) i noticed that if you have set on "All cores" you get misc issues, setting it to "auto" unlocks cores and what not and also adds a small performance boost
28,000 ns though :/
better than nothing so im happy :)
DaViruz, would you be more likely to purchase their motors if they did?
cradek: it is a curvic coupling
supposed to be accurate to +/-10 arc sec
MattyMatt: no, i have already selected a motor
well, for this application at least. in the future, sure
I've put a nema17 and 23 in blender if you want them :)
i tend to design with linear components now because i like their spice program so much
their program, or just their component database?
(their program has a fairly complete library of their devices)
I want something more generic for mechanisms
generic yet with specialised wizards, like ordering 8020 by part number etc
speaking of things i like, i'm kind of getting fond of the siemens logo! pseudo-plc's
now if i can just find a small vfd that can push DC through the windings when the motor is stationary to keep it above ambient i will be happy
check this out: http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2250/wedoct27bootchart.png
which logo is that? on their corporate site they have the traditional one
its the instant on logo
this machine boots up so fast it is almost laughable
pcncx for years I dreamed of sth like that to deconstruct the Windows boot sequence
i think mine can give it a run for it's money
the windows boot sequence is a mystery to me
MattyMatt aptitude install bootchart
MattyMatt for years I've been trying to figure out why anyone would want to run Windows
pcncx I never reboot my linux boxes :)
MattyMatt wiyh a 16 second boot I shut this box off
I do turn off my emc2 machine at night to save power
16 second from the button?
well after POST
app can't run then
didn't look at the time thingy there
oh wow, I thought that was just the first 15s :)
still I can hit the button and by the time I'm sat down its ready
when i tested windows xp on my ssd it was actually crazy fast
win7 is a fair bit slower
yeah v tempted by 64GB ssd for T30
this machine is such an old POS I'm sure a modern machine would be a lot faster
this is only a Pentium 3
i need to time my new emc2 box. quickboot bios and i've optimized the OS boot like crazy
hard drive speed and memory size are more important than 1Ghz or 2
DaViruz that is what I am in the process of doing now optimizing the OS
i'm running crux on it, so it's fairly fast by default
the ubunto boot is, in a word, awful :/
MattyMatt I'm in X now with my browser running and I'm using 83 MB RAM
up just went to 84
pcncx: where are you after those 16 seconds? X? terminal login?
DaViruz this is a fairly minimal Debian Lenny
bleh. I have 4GB and Iceweasel+flash amd64 has issues
DaViruz just console login X comes up fast though
blink of an eye I run fluxbox
this box 512 MB total Linux says 511 MB usable lousy AMI BIOS
often graphic drivers slow things down
DaViruz oddly I am running no gfx drivers
because EMC had issues with the r128 kernel driver
i see, vesa mode?
I guess it is frame buffer?
I'm not sure
I need to fix my latency errors and check my base thread timing. I'm getting a 2 second lag on jogging with keys atm, with a complex gcode file
honestly I don't know how it is running
framebuffer should be fast, since it's already online by the kernel
this build i haven't gotten that far yet that i can check latency
I'm not totally done tweaking the kernel yet
the build before i was spiking to 18,000 ns occasionally I am hoping to better that
but it was running around 6,000 ns a lot just not enough to call it 6,000 ns
you got to call it by the highest spike you get
I'd be thrilled ig i could get double 6,000 ns out of this machine
12K ns latency would rock my socks
was it you linked that LW article on RTAI? that was interesting
MattyMatt might have been
this is my hmm link for today: http://www.tux.org/~mayer/linux/bmark.html
well that and this: http://cateee.net/autokernconf/
my big thing lately has been grepping and diffing kernel config files
yeesh. the thing that stands out in the nbench list is the effect icc has on xeons
MattyMatt I would like to find a better benchmark program but it doesn't seem to be something people are very interested in today
MattyMatt I think today if people want their computer faster they just go out and buy a faster computer
there's the SpecMark that THG uses