#emc | Logs for 2010-10-11

[00:04:03] <theorb> theorb is now known as theorbtwo
[00:05:35] <kgartner> yea, I wouldn't expect to do anythingmore than a 1/4in
[00:06:58] <cradek> 1/4-20 is a nice target. very useful size.
[01:05:13] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/spindle/spindle.JPG
[01:05:20] <skunkworks> the backup spindle. :)
[01:10:32] <skunkworks> needed a torque multiplier to get the nut off that holds the belvel washers that clamp the collet. over 400ft-lbs
[01:12:11] <Jymmm> such a wimpy spindle
[01:12:39] <cradek> nice that you have so many backup parts
[01:12:57] <skunkworks> yes
[01:13:20] <Jymmm> too bad you need a 50K sf warehouse for them too
[01:13:39] <skunkworks> in the process of getting the lube working - we are dissembling the other spindle
[01:14:41] <cradek> an 1/8 end mill is kind of like a slitting saw, right?
[01:14:49] <Valen> I'll help you get rid of that spindle if you want ;-P
[01:14:52] <skunkworks> we kinda think the lube for the y ways never worked correctly
[01:14:58] <skunkworks> heh
[01:15:19] <cradek> yuck, hope it's not worn
[01:16:26] <skunkworks> nah - you cannot feel where the roller bearings are running. Just a slight visual difference
[01:16:35] <skunkworks> we are lucky
[01:17:01] <cradek> rolling stuff is sure more forgiving
[01:17:50] <skunkworks> They have restrictors in line that must be designed for high pressure. they are hooked into the 10psi lube
[01:18:21] <skunkworks> we normally lubed it manually. but it will be nice to get it working automatically
[01:19:03] <skunkworks> wow - I need a shower
[01:19:40] <Jymmm> skunkworks: smell ya later!
[01:19:41] <skunkworks> that is the first time that tool holder has been out of that spindle for over 20 years ;)
[01:19:50] <skunkworks> *in over
[01:19:54] <cradek> ha
[01:20:30] <skunkworks> :)
[01:21:33] <cradek> it's weird - my coolant is frothy now. it doesn't usually do that. I wonder what I've done wrong.
[01:22:21] <Jymmm> cradek: Accidentally ordered a frapachino instead of an espresso?
[01:23:10] <cradek> yuck, hate that milky stuff
[01:23:55] <Jymmm> cradek: Next time just order a quad shot instead - less confusion that way =)
[01:38:18] <skunkworks> cradek: any progress on your 4th axis?
[01:38:36] <cradek> cutting right now
[01:38:41] <cradek> I worked on it a lot today
[01:39:08] <cradek> it's getting there. the mechanical stuff is almost done.
[01:39:29] <cradek> electrical stuff (including keeping coolant out) remains
[01:41:22] <skunkworks> neat
[01:43:28] <Valen> cradek: got any soap in it? your coolant that is
[01:43:40] <cradek> not on purpose...
[01:43:46] <Valen> we might have lol http://www.vapourforge.com/LUFA/giftpack/mk0/LUFA-soap.jpg
[01:44:47] <Valen> cutting soap for a friends project
[01:44:55] <Valen> he is giving them away as a gift pack
[01:48:43] <Jymmm> * Jymmm grabs a bar of soap and tosses it on the laser. (brb)
[01:52:02] <mikegg> he should make butt / face soap
[01:53:52] <mikegg> you know, one bar for the butt, one bar for the face
[01:55:04] <Valen> I figured just write that on either side of the same one
[01:55:06] <Valen> one side ass
[01:55:09] <Valen> the other face
[01:55:15] <Valen> call it assface soap
[02:10:40] <Jymmm> What do you do when someone hands you a bar of soap and you didn't ask for one??? http://i54.tinypic.com/atut5l.jpg
[03:13:13] <cradek> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lufa
[03:13:31] <cradek> Valen: am I supposed to know what LUFA means?
[04:43:06] <Jymmm> http://groups.google.com/group/myusb-support-list?pli=1
[04:43:10] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: http://groups.google.com/group/myusb-support-list?pli=1
[07:04:00] <archivist> speeling loofah
[08:44:26] <mk0> did anyone use ati hd 4350 or 4650 and run latency test? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test says 4650 is a good candidate, but it costs 2 times higher than 4350. will 4350 then be 2 times worse than 4650?
[08:44:31] <robinatw> robinatw is now known as robinguo
[08:44:52] <robinguo> robinguo is now known as robinatw
[09:12:40] <robinatw> have everybody EMC fundamental materials for storage or url ?
[09:14:15] <archivist_> robinatw, wrong emc we are about EMC2 the cnc control software freenode is all about open source
[09:21:34] <alex_joni> we store data engraved in different materials
[09:21:55] <alex_joni> you can probably count it as PROM memory
[09:25:11] <robinatw> archivist_: hello, buddy ! i work on linux now, but i want to leran storage, i know EMC is one of the biggest Storage Inc in the world. but i need more learn about baisc knowleage.. do you understand ??
[09:26:06] <archivist_> I understand storage I just buy disks and install myself
[09:27:22] <archivist_> robinatw, type /topic
[09:27:24] <robinatw> hehe, i know. please tell me if you have relative docs , i need to help... i love storage .... but i also like open source..
[09:27:45] <alex_joni> robinatw: wrong place
[09:27:46] <Valen> robinatw: this is EMC2 http://www.linuxcnc.org/
[09:28:07] <Valen> not what you are looking for
[09:28:21] <archivist_> we store metal chips
[09:28:28] <Valen> I try not to
[09:28:44] <archivist_> sell them later to the crap man
[09:28:49] <archivist_> scrap
[09:29:09] <robinatw> hehe, why the channel about EMC ??
[09:29:20] <archivist_> EMC2
[09:29:26] <Valen> robinatw: FFS READ THE LINK I POSTED OK!!
[09:29:30] <archivist_> Enhaneced machine controller
[09:30:05] <Valen> I know English isn't your first language but if you don't actually read what people type then its not going to help you asking the same question over and over
[09:31:50] <robinatw> yes, i am chinese, english is my second language, my english level was poor, please forgive me ..
[09:33:49] <Valen> its ok just read what people are saying
[09:34:01] <Valen> there has been links and people telling you many times what is happening
[09:35:10] <robinatw> :)
[09:39:37] <Valen> </grumpy>
[09:47:10] <alex_joni> why grumpy?
[10:00:48] <Valen> people not reading what is written for them
[11:45:59] <Jymmm> Valen: So, what's it like working in a diamond mine?
[11:47:57] <Jymmm> jthornton: How the hell are ya you old son of a mother!
[11:49:23] <jthornton_> just dandy but my connection went down to nothing for some reason
[11:49:41] <jthornton_> jthornton_ is now known as jthornton
[11:50:19] <Jymmm> jthornton: Have you ever connected to your modem and looked as it's logs?
[11:50:42] <jthornton> what modem?
[11:50:52] <Jymmm> jthornton: dsl modem
[11:51:32] <Jymmm> or maybe or or
[11:51:48] <jthornton> I don't have a dsl modem, I have a radio connection
[11:52:07] <Jymmm> bbq grill on the room type?
[11:52:12] <Jymmm> roof
[11:52:30] <jthornton> brings up the cisco
[11:53:02] <jthornton> no a small square thing on top of the tower up the hill
[11:53:20] <jthornton> points to another one
[11:53:31] <Jymmm> Yeah, usually there will be signal strength, drift, db, lost/dropped packets, latency, etc
[11:54:32] <Jymmm> Yeah, microwave, They used to look like mini bbq grills =)
[11:55:01] <jthornton> i don't see any logs
[11:55:17] <Jymmm> what model number?
[11:55:18] <jthornton> good thing the guy told me the user name and password
[11:56:00] <jthornton> Cisco wireless-G bradband router with speedbooster WRT54GS2
[11:56:10] <Jymmm> I would suspect there is a diagnostic page
[11:56:44] <jthornton> don't see one
[11:57:08] <Jymmm> Ok, that's just a generic router, what about the modem itself?
[11:58:57] <jthornton> that's the only thing I know about
[11:59:21] <Jymmm> jthornton: Ok, are there two boxes? the cisco and another one?
[11:59:23] <jthornton> I guess the modem is on the main tower
[11:59:30] <jthornton> no boxes
[11:59:39] <jthornton> only a power supply
[11:59:47] <Jymmm> Ok, where is the cisco?
[11:59:51] <jthornton> on the towre
[11:59:54] <jthornton> tower
[12:00:01] <jthornton> my tower
[12:00:14] <Jymmm> and where is this tower ?
[12:00:25] <jthornton> behind my house up the hill
[12:00:39] <Jymmm> Are you connected wirelessly to it?
[12:00:55] <Jymmm> or via ethernet cable?
[12:00:59] <jthornton> no a cat5e cable runs up the hill to the antenna
[12:01:03] <Jymmm> ah
[12:01:37] <Jymmm> Ok, there should be a WAN side ip address listed somewhere
[12:02:15] <Jymmm> WAN, BROADBAND, something like that.
[12:02:29] <jthornton> nothing like that
[12:03:01] <jthornton> IP, Subnet, Gateway, Static DNS 1 2 3
[12:03:22] <jthornton> that is all that is in the internet setup page
[12:03:53] <Jymmm> At the top, there isn't a STATUS tab?
[12:03:55] <jthornton> on the wireless page it has the channel and mode
[12:04:04] <jthornton> yes
[12:04:11] <Jymmm> click on it
[12:04:32] <jthornton> it lists the same thing and firmware versions etc
[12:05:00] <Jymmm> Ok, they call it "Internet IP Address"
[12:05:13] <jthornton> yes I have that
[12:05:27] <jthornton> IP Address in the Internet box
[12:05:35] <Valen> Jymmm: diamond mine?
[12:05:40] <Jymmm> goto that ip address in your browser
[12:06:01] <jthornton> it won't connect
[12:06:23] <Jymmm> jthornton: does it begin with 10. or 172. ???
[12:06:31] <jthornton> 216
[12:07:07] <Jymmm> Valen: http://kpolsson.com/forsale/dis226.jpg
[12:07:31] <Valen> heh
[12:09:02] <Jymmm> jthornton: Ok, it might be because you are connected via the router that you can't get to it.
[12:09:49] <jthornton> yea, I think so
[12:11:37] <Jymmm> jthornton: Well, if you get the chance, you can bypass the router one day and look at/for diagnostic/status of the modem and any logs it may have. If you find werid stuff you can report it and maybe they can resolve the problem.
[12:11:58] <jthornton> ok
[12:12:43] <jthornton> apparently I'm getting a little connection or the IRC would not work
[12:13:04] <Jymmm> We tried getting microwave once, but the airport landing strip was between us and the tower, so the signal would drop every time a plane was landing.
[12:13:27] <jthornton> that could be bad if it is a busy airport
[12:13:44] <Jymmm> You mean like an international airport? =)
[12:13:50] <jthornton> yea
[12:13:57] <Jymmm> go figure
[12:14:20] <jthornton> ours gets at least one plane a day from UPS on weekdays
[12:14:29] <jthornton> and maybe a couple on the weekend
[12:15:27] <jthornton> for me it is microwave or dial up, cable stops about 1/2 mile away
[12:15:28] <Jymmm> try every 6 minutes in the afternoon when the reverse the landing direction due to noise levels at night.
[12:16:03] <Jymmm> jthornton: damn dude, you live in BFE!
[12:16:15] <jthornton> just west of there
[12:16:26] <Jymmm> jthornton: is that even in the US still?
[12:16:38] <jthornton> in the middle Jymmm
[12:16:40] <Jymmm> greenland? Canada?
[12:16:57] <jthornton> heartland
[12:17:03] <jthornton> bible belt
[12:17:36] <jthornton> talk to you later
[12:17:36] <Jymmm> I was there once, at 30,000 feet. Looked like one huge chessboard.
[12:17:40] <Jymmm> hasta
[13:08:20] <SteveStallings> SteveStallings is now known as steves_logging
[13:12:11] <L84Supper> mk0: we're getting ~4uS jitter with AMD 785G using internal GPU (HD4200 RV620) + Phenom-II 4 core + factory BIOS
[13:13:13] <L84Supper> mk0: mainboard and cpu are easily <$200
[13:14:17] <mk0> mmm 4350 is better i suppose? didn't google.
[13:15:07] <L84Supper> mk0: why use an external GPU card if the integrated works just fine?
[13:17:41] <mk0> no i do not quarrel. google: HD4350 is the same speed as the HD4200. it's seems to be okay.
[13:18:04] <L84Supper> mk0: are you trying to use a mainboard you already have sitting around and need to add a gpu card?
[13:18:39] <mk0> no, my old pc is broken, i'm looking for a new budget machine.
[13:19:43] <L84Supper> mk0: oh ok, so my point is that you can save money and just use a board with integrated graphics, unless you really need more graphics performance
[13:20:52] <mk0> yep! that's definetely what i also think.
[13:22:03] <L84Supper> mk0: HD4200 is the RV620 core and the HD4350 is a newer generation RV710 with 2x the processing cores
[13:22:43] <mk0> how many ram do you have? >1 Gb?
[13:22:57] <mk0> it shares 250 afaik
[13:23:05] <L84Supper> we are testing with 4GB
[13:23:48] <L84Supper> ~4uS jitter with AMD 785G is with 32 bit and 64 bit kernels
[13:27:45] <L84Supper> IIRC the jitter was still around 4uS with a HD5830
[13:30:53] <L84Supper> AMD 785G using internal GPU (HD4200 RV620) + Phenom-II 4 core + coreboot instead of factory BIOS might end up with even lower latency, haven't had time to test yet
[13:32:04] <mk0> that's nice, we have here mb's with 4200. but.
[13:33:30] <L84Supper> mk0: AMD 78x or 8xx chipsets?
[13:34:13] <mk0> e.g. usual mb=50-60$, 5340=40$, 1gb=20$. mb with 4200=80$, 2 gb=40$ ) the same.
[13:36:44] <mk0> AMD 785G also. min=80$
[13:37:28] <L84Supper> wow they are dumping the hd4350's for $40
[13:42:18] <L84Supper> http://www.microcenter.com has some 785g MB's for $50
[13:44:20] <mk0> belarus..
[13:49:49] <mk0> L84Supper, which is better biostar or asus?
[13:56:57] <L84Supper> mk0: in general, I don't have an opinion. I generally look at the parts used. Asus is a larger OEM.
[13:58:49] <L84Supper> mk0: they are both in Taiwan and use the same materials, assembly equipment and component sources, it pretty much come down to what corners they cut, BIOS and how well they did the pcb layout
[14:17:26] <frallzor> yoyo!
[14:25:27] <JT-Work> Jymmm: the ISP had and "outage"
[14:25:37] <JT-Work> s/and/an
[14:25:44] <Jymmm> gotcha
[14:26:18] <Jymmm> JT-Work: have you seen eggbot?
[14:26:32] <cradek> gear oil or way oil on a worm (rotary table)?
[14:26:56] <Jymmm> white lithium grease???
[14:27:05] <JT-Work> no
[14:28:01] <Jymmm> JT-Work: http://egg-bot.com/
[14:28:46] <Jymmm> http://wiki.evilmadscience.com/The_Original_Egg-Bot_Kit
[14:29:10] <Jymmm> It just uses a InkScape python plugin to control it.
[14:29:41] <JT-Work> looks like a time sink to me :)
[14:30:09] <Jymmm> Better than TV =)
[14:30:47] <Jymmm> http://wiki.evilmadscience.com/Eggbot_Control
[14:33:01] <Jymmm> heh http://wiki.evilmadscience.com/Eggmazing
[14:46:38] <Jymmm> JT-Work: move to 11m50s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zsbW9qmZk4
[14:49:02] <JT-Work> * JT-Work heads out to pick up the rebuilt pump for my backhoe
[14:49:43] <Jymmm> get a front hoe while you're at it
[15:31:44] <alex_joni> there, I built one too: http://juve.ro/blog/projects/01286810746
[15:31:50] <alex_joni> Jymmm: ^^
[15:32:46] <Jymmm> alex_joni: very cool! Did you do that over the wekend?
[15:33:54] <alex_joni> nah, today
[15:34:01] <Jymmm> cool
[15:34:13] <alex_joni> maybe 2h
[15:38:21] <jepler> jepler has changed the topic to: EMC (Enhanced Machine Controller) is a linux-based opensource CNC control. | Latest release: EMC 2.4.5 | http://www.linuxcnc.org | http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
[16:04:05] <willeo6709> anybody here done twin mesa cards to do enough axes?
[16:04:21] <cradek> my vmc has two 5i20 in it
[16:04:47] <cradek> mostly because there's lots and lots of I/O on that machine
[16:07:37] <willeo6709> having trouble figuring out how to get emc to look for second card
[16:08:02] <willeo6709> and still have had no luck getting ladder editor to not be greyed out in emc2
[16:08:29] <willeo6709> the examples i have that the ladder editor wrks in are steppers and all files way way different
[16:08:39] <cradek> to use two cards, you have to load them both with firmwares
[16:08:41] <willeo6709> manuals do not mention multiple boards
[16:08:42] <cradek> let me find you the right docs
[16:08:57] <cradek> there's documentation but I bet you haven't found it yet
[16:09:44] <willeo6709> ok
[16:09:58] <willeo6709> do I need to load anything for the daughter cards?
[16:10:13] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/hm2_pci.9.html
[16:10:25] <willeo6709> looking at the error screen all i see is 5i20 pins, not daughter card stuff
[16:10:46] <cradek> each card gets its own "str" here. you'll have config="hostmot2 config string for first card, hostmot2 config string for second card"
[16:10:54] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/hostmot2.9.html
[16:11:09] <cradek> the format of each hostmot2 config string is described here
[16:11:59] <cradek> if you have a card with pwmgens (dac output) and encoder receivers, like 7i33, you tell the firmware that you need 4 pwmgens and 4 encoders (for instance)
[16:12:12] <cradek> so, yes, you need to tell the firmware what to do with the daughter cards
[16:13:32] <willeo6709> 2 7i33ta,4 7i37ta
[16:13:49] <cradek> you also may have to set pwm/pdm rates, gpio direction and inverts, etc according to the daughter card's requirements
[16:14:13] <cradek> ok you'll want to put 7i33 on the first plug of each card, and the 7i37 on the others. then you can use the same firmware configuration for both.
[16:14:15] <willeo6709> and that is done in a halfile?
[16:14:24] <cradek> yes all of this is done in hal
[16:14:33] <willeo6709> first plug - which end is that?
[16:14:42] <cradek> lowest numbered
[16:14:51] <willeo6709> ok
[16:15:19] <willeo6709> i know i am on same end, figured would not matter which end so i need to check that
[16:16:04] <cradek> it does matter, since the firmware puts the first 4 encoders on the first plug, the second 4 on the second plug, etc.
[16:16:09] <skunkworks> willeo6709: I started with the 5i20 sample config and added what I needed.
[16:16:35] <cradek> firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST8_4.BIT num_encoders=4 num_pwmgens=4 num_stepgens=0
[16:16:47] <cradek> I bet this is the firmware setup you need (for each card)
[16:17:21] <cradek> skunkworks is right - I bet that's what the sample config uses - 7i33 + 2x7i37 is a very common setup
[16:17:25] <willeo6709> thanks cradek
[16:17:31] <skunkworks> yes - my ini is CONFIG="firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST8_4.BIT num_encoders=4 num_pwmgens=4 num_stepgens=0, firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST8_4.BIT num_encoders=4 num_pwmgens=4 num_stepgens=0"
[16:17:53] <cradek> there you go, just two copies of the same thing
[16:18:10] <willeo6709> skunk i am trying to mdify the standard, but first experience with emc and linux, double curve
[16:18:47] <willeo6709> ok, how do i copy to paste from mirc?
[16:18:48] <cradek> sounds like one heck of a first project
[16:18:59] <skunkworks> heh - really!
[16:19:03] <cradek> sorry, don't know
[16:22:10] <willeo6709> i have 4 of these machines with acramatic 2100 analogs
[16:22:26] <willeo6709> pissed off about how siemens is abandoning support of them
[16:25:09] <skunkworks> yeck
[16:29:33] <willeo6709> emc will save me a ton of money if i can make it work acceptably
[16:29:39] <skunkworks> willeo6709: what are the machines?
[16:30:09] <willeo6709> 2 sabre 1250 4 axis, a sabre 1500 3 axis and an arrow 750 3 axis
[16:30:19] <skunkworks> wow
[16:32:17] <willeo6709> all 1995-1998 vintage
[16:33:00] <willeo6709> kollmorgen drives - vector motor spindles with encoder for rigid tap
[16:33:10] <willeo6709> 21 tool changers
[16:33:14] <willeo6709> chip augers
[16:33:41] <willeo6709> the 1500 is 60 inches x x 30 inches y and you can fit 24 inches under the tool drum
[16:33:46] <willeo6709> in z
[16:34:00] <skunkworks> yes - I am using 2 mesa cards and think I am going to be pretty close to using all the i/o up in my project. May have to use the printer port for a few things :)
[16:34:20] <skunkworks> nice
[16:34:56] <skunkworks> we are converting a 60's vintage NC. chris has a mori seki jr.
[16:35:01] <skunkworks> (cradek)
[16:36:30] <cradek> skunkworks has a pretty rough time compared to mine - updating that many extra decades is harder
[16:38:55] <skunkworks> rough? try fun! ;)
[16:40:43] <cradek> mid 80s to mid 90s seems like the sweet spot - after resolvers, but still analog drives
[16:41:12] <cradek> I guess with the upcoming resolver board from mesa even that isn't a big deal
[16:41:54] <skunkworks> and spi for newer stuff... maybe
[16:42:41] <cradek> yeah stuff gets weird and proprietary if you get too new
[16:43:15] <cradek> but that stuff may get less weird as time goes on, I guess - like elson's figuring out the fanuc AC motor schemes.
[16:44:05] <skunkworks> right
[16:44:34] <willeo6709> so on classic ladder it says i have to load it before the gui but the ini file has gui before hal
[16:44:58] <willeo6709> or is the manual talking in circles and i am in wrong file?
[16:45:37] <willeo6709> everywhere i try to put the ladder init it does not do anything different, but been in the ini file mainly
[16:45:55] <willeo6709> been looking at the halfile but not sure it belongs there
[16:46:42] <willeo6709> i wish mine had fanuc analog drives.... not fond of kollmorgens
[16:47:48] <skunkworks> it should be in the hal file.
[16:48:04] <skunkworks> your going to need a couple of lines
[16:48:33] <skunkworks> similar to...
[16:48:34] <skunkworks> loadrt classicladder_rt numRungs=24 numBits=30 numWords=4 numTimers=5 numMonostables=10 numPhysInputs=30 numPhysOutputs=30 numArithmExpr=30 numSections=10
[16:48:45] <skunkworks> addf classicladder.0.refresh servo-thread 1
[16:48:55] <skunkworks> loadusr -w classicladder --nogui demo_step_cl.clp
[16:49:25] <skunkworks> that should make the menu item in axis work (classic ladder)
[16:53:55] <willeo6709> the nogui line - does that disabel the editor or did i misread the integrators manual?
[16:54:33] <skunkworks> doesn't disable it. Just makes it so the editor doesn't load by default. ( the menu item will work though)
[16:55:01] <skunkworks> if I am making sense.
[17:06:21] <IchGuckLive> hi all from the sunsetting Germany
[17:19:24] <IchGuckLive> heavy postingtraffic here !
[19:14:21] <tom3p> psha: i got lucid to run. my orig problem was the HD was > bios :( ok now thanks again
[19:29:06] <psha> tom3p: np :)
[19:54:05] <tom4p> Jymmm, your link to eggbot also leads to an online manual for Inkscape ( used by some emc ppl for nice curvy stuff ) http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/index.html
[19:58:22] <Jymmm> tom4p: Cool. I mostly use CorelDraw, but good to know =)
[20:00:07] <Jymmm> tom4p: When jepler teaches me python that'll probably help alot.
[20:03:08] <tom4p> its fun to play with, i wish python owned javascript's place in browsers
[20:04:19] <Jymmm> I was just wondering how to draw gears this morning... http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/
[20:06:37] <tom4p> what looks like gears is easy, what is gears aint ( involutes )
[20:07:08] <Jymmm> =)
[20:07:50] <Jymmm> I was able to pickup CorelDraw X4 for $100 + $70 rebate. Too good to pass up.
[20:13:17] <tom4p> wow 'how to draw gear in corel draw' http://www.techdrawingtools.com/2/l0201.htm google IS cool
[20:14:34] <tom4p> versus old school http://www.howtodraw.ca/Mechanical/Drawing-Gear-Wheels.html
[20:15:27] <Jymmm> eeeesh
[20:22:01] <willeo6709> cradek - still here?
[20:22:22] <cradek> barely
[20:23:32] <willeo6709> the ladder thing worked
[20:23:45] <willeo6709> but still not seeing second 5i20
[20:23:57] <willeo6709> all the dmesg data comes up with board 0
[20:24:02] <willeo6709> but no board 1
[20:24:26] <willeo6709> and if i have anything rferring to board 1 in the hal file emc fails to start
[20:24:29] <cradek> pastebin your hal file and dmesg output
[20:24:37] <willeo6709> i changed the ini just like skunk's
[20:24:58] <cradek> ok let's see 'em
[20:28:52] <willeo6709> pastebin.ca/1959570
[20:28:58] <willeo6709> dmesg file
[20:30:36] <willeo6709> pastebin.ca/1959572
[20:30:40] <willeo6709> ini
[20:31:46] <willeo6709> pastebin.ca/1959573 halfile
[20:35:27] <skunkworks> willeo6709: (I have never looked at dmesg on mine) are you sure that both boards don't show up in emc? Are you running axis? from the machine menu you can select Show HAL Configuration. from there you can drill down and see if you have 2 boards.
[20:35:51] <skunkworks> also - in your hal file you need addf hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).1.read
[20:36:01] <skunkworks> addf hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).1.write
[20:36:10] <skunkworks> addf hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).1.pet_watchdog
[20:36:18] <skunkworks> (for the second board)
[20:37:37] <skunkworks> (but you should be able to see the board without the above lines)
[20:40:20] <willeo6709> any reference board 1 crashes hal file and emc fails to start
[20:41:01] <willeo6709> only a 5i20 #0 in show hal in emc
[20:41:08] <skunkworks> hmm
[20:41:32] <skunkworks> does emc start with the line in the ini file?
[20:41:37] <cradek> can you paste your ini too? I forgot that so much of this (including the firmware config string) is substituted
[20:41:41] <willeo6709> unless i have a bad oci slot
[20:41:56] <skunkworks> CONFIG="firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST8_4.BIT num_encoders=4 num_pwmgens=4 num_stepgens=0, firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST8_4.BIT num_encoders=4 num_pwmgens=4 num_stepgens=0"
[20:41:56] <cradek> if there's a failure to find the board it will be in dmesg
[20:42:16] <cradek> oh sorry - I missed it
[20:42:36] <willeo> unless i have a bad pci slot
[20:42:47] <willeo> but have red led's on board
[20:44:16] <willeo> or am i better off calling mesa to see what they say?
[20:44:27] <cradek> try removing the space after the , in your CONFIG line
[20:47:34] <willeo> same thing
[20:48:13] <skunkworks> willeo: does emc load with the above config= line? or does it error?
[20:48:27] <cradek> willeo: run lspci
[20:48:31] <cradek> 00:07.0 Bridge: PLX Technology, Inc. PCI9030 32-bit 33MHz PCI <-> IOBus Bridge
[20:48:39] <cradek> my 5i20 looks like this - you should see two of them
[20:51:02] <willeo> only see 1
[20:51:14] <cradek> what's the ID at the beginning of the line?
[20:51:55] <willeo> 02:07.0
[20:52:02] <cradek> #
[20:52:03] <cradek> [ 1884.998799] hm2_5i20.0: initialized AnyIO board at 0000:02:07.0
[20:52:07] <cradek> ok, that's the one the driver finds
[20:52:13] <cradek> seems like you have a hardware problem, not software
[20:52:23] <willeo> ok
[20:52:28] <cradek> try different slot? swap the two cards? check system bios settings?
[20:52:54] <cradek> make sure they're both in the slot fully (?)
[20:53:05] <willeo> i'll try a different slot - was trying to keep a blank between them for cabling
[20:53:26] <willeo> but may be able to move up and get it yet
[20:53:43] <willeo> thanks guy.... from a linux newb
[20:53:47] <cradek> I suppose it's possible you've got a bad card too - but I doubt it
[20:54:18] <skunkworks> willeo: http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/computermesa.JPG
[20:54:29] <skunkworks> my board only has 2 slots.
[20:54:43] <skunkworks> it is a tight fit but does work.
[20:58:31] <skunkworks> bbl
[21:10:45] <willeo> ok, slid both boards up 1 slot and now see both
[21:10:54] <cradek> weird!
[21:11:06] <willeo> wierdness but what the hell it worked
[21:11:24] <willeo> this was a used box off ebay for $100.00
[21:13:45] <cradek> hey look at that, it's time to go home.
[22:11:59] <mozmck> SWPLinux!
[22:12:39] <SWPLinux> hi
[22:12:53] <SWPLinux> thanks again :)
[22:13:02] <mozmck> I just found the 10 to 6 pin adapter for that JTAGICE :)
[22:13:13] <mozmck> you're welcome!
[22:13:28] <mozmck> Did you get it all working?
[22:13:32] <SWPLinux> heh
[22:13:52] <SWPLinux> yeah, after much head-banging (which is a problem in a giant concrete building)
[22:14:04] <mozmck> hurts worse than wood...
[22:14:21] <SWPLinux> -B 10 is the trick - that sets the SPI clock to 10 uS instead of 1uS, which makes programming actually work
[22:14:49] <mozmck> ah. I haven't had to worry with that since I programmed with JTAG.
[22:15:09] <SWPLinux> I guess it doesn't help that those trigger boards also have four 3-foot cables attached to the SPI lines :)
[22:15:22] <SWPLinux> (which I had to disconnect before programming)
[22:15:39] <SWPLinux> I now have 5 AVRISPmkII on the way from DigiKey ;)
[22:15:48] <SWPLinux> FedEx
[22:15:57] <mozmck> hmm, probably not. That would cause some ringing I bet.
[22:16:21] <SWPLinux> yeah, and probably a fair amount of capacitance, hence the need for a slower clock
[22:16:41] <mozmck> Take 2 or 3 everywhere.
[22:17:25] <SWPLinux> indeed
[22:18:22] <SWPLinux> it probably also helps to not be trying to stick spring pins against a set of PCB holes (of a powered board) at 2 AM
[22:20:02] <mozmck> yep. I've created my share of sparks, smoke, and pops in circuits.
[22:20:23] <mozmck> They never seem to improve the circuit either.
[22:20:42] <SWPLinux> yeah, it's rare
[22:22:06] <skunkworks> SWPLinux: was it today?
[22:22:16] <skunkworks> and if it was - how did it go?
[22:22:22] <SWPLinux> no, I'm heading home now
[22:22:40] <tom3p> i just installed lucid on a laptop. as i read about it, it seems that using the update manager is safe. but i thought I'd ask anyway. is it?
[22:22:44] <SWPLinux> I get to go to Toronto to actually use the system on Thursday (shooting Saturday)
[22:23:02] <mozmck> Do you know if I can put a drive with windows on it in my linux box and run that windows with a VM?
[22:23:46] <mozmck> Lightning fried something in my windows box last night, as well as the NIC in two other computers and my whole phone system :(
[22:23:56] <tom3p> mozmck, i dont know how to make a real install into a VM, but you should be able to dual boot into it.
[22:24:34] <SWPLinux> mozmck: I don't think you can do that directly.
[22:24:50] <mozmck> tom3p: I use the update manager all the time.
[22:24:55] <tom3p> thx
[22:24:56] <SWPLinux> if you can, I'll stick my Windows 2000 drive in a Linux box tonight and kick the old machine out the window :)
[22:25:30] <SWPLinux> tom3p: the only thing that may be dangerous about update manager is if you tell it to up*grade* to a new OS release :)
[22:25:46] <mozmck> SWPLinux: it would be nice if I could. I still need windows for a couple of things and this drive is all set up.
[22:25:54] <tom3p> SWPthx will look for such in the list
[22:26:30] <SWPLinux> tom3p: don't go looking too hard, when there's a new release that's a candidate for installation, there will be an extra button above the list of packages that can be upgraded
[22:27:14] <SWPLinux> (some new releases aren't candidates for installation, for instance when you have an LTS version and a new non-LTS version is out, but you haven't told the update manager to consider non-LTS releases)
[22:27:54] <SWPLinux> mozmck: you missed the cool stuff (not that you would have wanted to stay until 8PM to see it :) )
[22:28:01] <frallzor> SWPadnos why not that nice avrisp clone?
[22:28:24] <tom3p> btw this Lucid has much better wifi support for my rtl8137 , it just worked and way way faster
[22:28:26] <SWPLinux> we did things like fire all the cameras at 1/90 second intervals, with the on-camera strobes on
[22:28:31] <SWPLinux> that was a very cool look :)
[22:28:39] <mozmck> SWPLinux: yeah, I'd like to see that system work sometime.
[22:29:01] <SWPLinux> frallzor: because it's not worth the few dollars or few hours (of assembly or hassle)
[22:29:25] <SWPLinux> mozmck: well, if we do another job in Dallas or within a few hours, I'll see if I can get you an invite
[22:29:37] <mozmck> I guess that looks like a slow-motion video while the camera is moving around the circle.
[22:29:43] <mozmck> Thanks!
[22:29:45] <SWPLinux> the last two jobs around there were a Creed concert (in Houston) and the NBA slam dunk competition
[22:29:50] <SWPLinux> yeah
[22:30:20] <SWPLinux> oh, and a couple of "media day" things, with the San Antonio Spurs and the TCU football team
[22:30:27] <SWPLinux> (in case you care about sports)
[22:31:24] <mozmck> heh, I like playing but don't care much otherwise.
[22:31:51] <SWPLinux> yeah, me too. other than the playing part :)
[22:32:05] <mozmck> heh, I don't do much of that anymore.
[22:43:34] <mikegg> what does POC stand for in the tool table?
[22:46:01] <tom3p> pocket, the place where the tool goes,