#emc | Logs for 2010-09-28

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[01:56:04] <ries_> ries_ is now known as ries
[02:02:21] <L84Supper> hmmm... latency test and the simulators don't work with the Ubuntu 10.04 EMC live CD on a AMD 785G + Quad Phenom-II
[02:02:36] <L84Supper> time for "debug man"!
[02:03:44] <mozmck> heh, there are problems with more than 2 cores. I haven't had time to look at it again, but there may be a bug fix in the newest IPIPE patch that fixes this problem...
[02:04:36] <NTU> I use the latest patch from magma, it works amazing!
[02:10:29] <L84Supper> yeah, NTU has a 3 core Phenom-II with the 4th core turned on with 785G and it works, no luck yet on the 4 core 965
[02:11:10] <L84Supper> I have 6 core 1090t to try next also with 785G
[02:13:34] <NTU> mozmck, yeah the latest IPIPE patch from RTAI cvs's magma works on 4 core
[02:14:20] <mozmck> I have a 6 core AMD and my kernel doesn't work with it.
[02:14:39] <mozmck> I need to try the latest from magma.
[02:15:16] <NTU> do you get a kernel panic or what?
[02:15:30] <mozmck> no, the realtime stuff just doesn't run.
[02:15:50] <L84Supper> we will try the build that worked for the 3 core (with 4 core turned on) on the 4 core 965 and the 1090t
[02:15:51] <mozmck> Latency test from emc or rtai just hangs forever.
[02:16:46] <L84Supper> should we move this to emc-devel or is this fine in here?
[02:17:08] <NTU> hmm.. you can try latency-test; pidof latency-test; gdb > attach <PID>; bt that should spit some stuff out
[02:18:13] <mozmck> Haven't tried that. It doesn't completely hang, emc latency test just shows 0 for all the numbers.
[02:18:51] <mozmck> rtai latency test just sits until you Ctrl+C to kill it and then it shows some ridiculously high number.
[02:20:22] <L84Supper> servo sim doesn't spit out any errors but axis and lathe have plenty with Ubuntu 10.04 EMC live CD on a AMD 785G + Quad Phenom-II
[02:21:21] <NTU> servo_sim shouldn't be using the axis module, but tkemc..
[02:22:26] <L84Supper> and latency test is 0's with no cpu usage
[02:23:09] <L84Supper> I wonder what the older 8.04 live cd will do on these?
[02:44:22] <Valen> i wouldnt mind a latency test with all 0's ;->
[02:51:08] <NTU> if anybody would like to update the EMC code and possibly push a fix, just run cd emc2_2.4.4/src/hal/drivers && sed -i 's/pci_find_device/pci_get_device/g' *.c
[06:14:55] <WalterN> hmm
[07:20:22] <Jymmm> Does anyone remember a ways back something created a script or proggy to created graduated rules and scales for dials and such?
[10:31:08] <Fox_Muldr> i did a shr-u upgrade today and at the end i got an error message concerning readprofile: update-alternatives: Error: cannot register alternative readprofile to /usr/sbin/readprofile since it is already registered to /sbin/readprofile
[10:31:19] <Fox_Muldr> what should i do to fix this?
[10:33:56] <Fox_Muldr> args sorry. wrong channel :(
[10:34:05] <jthornton> I was wondering
[10:34:14] <Fox_Muldr> i was wondering why nobody answered ;)
[10:34:37] <jthornton> I was wondering what you just said lol
[10:35:59] <Fox_Muldr> never mind. my cellphone is just annoying me a bit
[12:13:12] <Valen> shoot it
[12:16:55] <mrsunshine> yeey, new stuff for the mill ordered =)
[12:17:07] <mrsunshine> now i just need to make the new motor mounts and screw mounts =)
[12:57:31] <elmo40> anyone make items for sale for xmas? I was thinking of little wood tree ornaments and stuff like that. would be nice to actually have a return on my investment ;)
[13:50:42] <alSMT> cradek, I got axis to load with this i810e onboard video using no_accell setting in the xorg,conf for the intel driver I could not get the vesa driver to work fyi and others looking for a solution for the 10.04 install on this board "happy here"
[13:53:25] <alSMT> grey_beard I believe had this same problem on the form
[13:53:56] <alSMT> *forum
[13:55:48] <alSMT> thank for the point in the right direction
[13:56:50] <skunkworks> logger_emc: bookmark
[13:56:50] <skunkworks> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2010-09-28.txt
[14:16:20] <skunkworks> my new favorite song of the week. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWOyfLBYtuU&ob=av2e
[14:18:15] <Jymmm> The video is a bit "dark" for the song.
[14:19:41] <skunkworks> my thought was 'odd'
[14:19:44] <skunkworks> :)
[14:23:09] <Jymmm> Well, I have nfc who the artist is, so thought it might have been her style.
[14:28:16] <skunkworks> has a david bowie feel \
[14:29:25] <Jymmm> I can see that, or boy george or lady gaga wannabe =)
[14:39:20] <Jymmm> Anyone know of a GCODE to DXF (or other vector format) ?
[14:39:35] <elmo40> from gcode?
[14:39:41] <Jymmm> FROM
[14:39:43] <elmo40> different
[14:40:23] <elmo40> it would be difficult to be accurate since tool information is not in your typical gcode... so unless you have the tool list how will you know a pass is a facemill or ballnose?
[14:41:35] <elmo40> I guess a program could take a Simulation of the gcode and proper tool list and run it on a piece of stock. then the final part could be transferred to a 3D solid...
[14:42:17] <elmo40> Jymmm: do a request in #cam ;)
[14:43:11] <Jymmm> not
[14:44:17] <elmo40> why not?
[14:44:26] <Jymmm> wh?
[14:44:31] <Jymmm> why? It's not CAM
[14:44:47] <elmo40> sure it is. you want a DXF image out of it... that is CAM related
[14:45:55] <Jymmm> Eh, I'll just write it up in PS instead.
[15:00:37] <skunkworks> Jymmm: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8814
[15:03:29] <mk0> what text editor do you use? i'm tired from gedit. smth light and fast.
[15:07:34] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Nice, thank you =)
[15:10:39] <Jymmm> skunkworks: It looks like he's doing a line-by-lne conversion
[15:13:34] <skunkworks> I didn't look at it that close. just that it worked for some people
[15:13:45] <skunkworks> what were you hoping for?
[15:14:18] <skunkworks> I doubt if you will find any that will fit arcs for short line segments or such
[15:32:05] <Jymmm> um, um, um, I don't what to say... http://cgi.ebay.com/CNC-router-table-machine-kit-plans-milling-plasma-DVD-/330477711705?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf201b159
[15:37:33] <JT-Work> very misleading and way too many testimonials
[15:38:33] <Jymmm> JT-Work: I liked the mix of 80/20, angle, 1/8" plate, and hardboard.
[15:39:50] <JT-Work> This auction is for a DVD with Plans, Projects, Videos, and Information - everything you need to know to start being productive
[15:40:09] <JT-Work> * JT-Work needs to start being productive
[15:40:23] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands JT-Work a beer
[15:40:32] <JT-Work> heh, I have one
[15:43:00] <Jymmm> * Jymmm NOW knows why JT-Work aint being productive =)
[17:17:13] <Jymmm> I'm building an air tight box. 16x36 opening for the lid. Does anyone have an ideas of mounting/clamping the lid down evenly? Most of the clamps I've seen down allow for right angles between the hook and clasp.
[17:17:52] <Jymmm> s/down/don't/
[17:18:28] <Dave911> Jymmm... stop picking on JT ... he is probably thirsty.. ;-) besides it is near lunch and he probably skipped breakfast .. ;-)
[17:18:52] <Jymmm> lol
[17:19:06] <Dave911> Jymm.. Destaco clamps??
[17:19:16] <Jymmm> wut?
[17:19:43] <Dave911> http://www.destacoclamp.com/
[17:19:57] <Dave911> You might need a few of them..
[17:20:44] <elmo40> wow, religious company. John 3:16
[17:21:37] <Dave911> There are some chinese clones out there that are cheaper
[17:22:00] <Dave911> Oh.. that is a distributor.. not the actual company .. sorry ..
[17:22:18] <elmo40> cheaper being the appropriate word! we had them at work, very light weight. not worth it for us, but for a lid, possibly
[17:22:19] <Jymmm> That company REALLY needs to re-evaulate the size of the images it puts on it's website and PDF's
[17:23:15] <Dave911> http://www.destaco.com/default.asp?loc=USA&lang=ENG
[17:24:27] <Dave911> That is the real company... they have been around forever.. I think Model T's were probably jigged with them.. ;-)
[17:25:28] <Jymmm> I don't wnat a handle that someone could bump loose or into
[17:26:28] <Jymmm> And it is not pulling on the same plane, need right angle between the hook and clasp
[17:28:08] <cpresser> somthing like this: http://www2.westfalia-versand.at/medien/scaled_pix/580/580/000/000/000/000/000/007/04.jpg
[17:28:50] <cpresser> or this one? http://www.toplicht.de/thumbs/tbn_4814381.JPG
[17:29:28] <Jymmm> cpresser: Kinda like the 3rd one, as long as I cna mount the hook vertically, and the clamp horizontally.
[17:30:21] <cpresser> in germany you can buy such 'spann-verschluss' parts at every home-improvement-shop
[17:32:14] <Jymmm> I was thinking like this, but at a right angle http://www.alzodigital.com/images/equipment/alzo_case_latch_on_corner_150h.jpg
[17:36:49] <Dave911> Oh.. I'd look at McMaster Carr for something like that.
[17:38:58] <Jymmm> Even somethgn liek this would work, but mfc whats it's real name is http://www.bunnyrabbit.com/equipmentpix/carrierClamps.jpg
[17:39:00] <Dave911> That is like a Zero case latch..
[17:41:25] <Dave911> http://www.reliablehardware.com/latches.aspx?gclid=CIevuMfVqqQCFVjW5wodYUeC5g
[17:42:33] <JT-Work> coffin locks!
[17:42:37] <Jymmm> damn, just can't tell if it can work at right angle
[17:42:57] <JT-Work> hi Dave911
[17:43:06] <Dave911> Hi Jt
[17:43:57] <Jymmm> JT-Work: Is that to make sure they stay dead?
[17:44:31] <Dave911> Yeah coffin locks ... there is a shop down the road that makes coffins.. seriously.. I wonder if they use those? Staying dead... not sure but Halloween is getting close ...
[17:44:38] <JT-Work> so they can't get out I assume
[17:45:17] <JT-Work> I've still not done anything with the spindle drive just using it as it till I get time to replace the caps
[17:45:32] <Dave911> I think there is big bucks in coffins. I interviewed with a coffin company once... they had their units in the showroom windows ... just a little strange
[17:46:01] <Dave911> replace caps ... makes sense... if you got it to work .. that is what is really important
[17:46:10] <Jymmm> I need something like this, it's adjustable but need the right angle http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/327097340/Drawbolt_with_Padlock_Loop.jpg
[17:46:14] <Dave911> Do you like the mill ??
[17:46:44] <JT-Work> yes, it has a few small things but overall I like it
[17:47:03] <Dave911> Jymmm... I bet that would work at 90 degrees.. might have to grind a little relief but I think it would work.
[17:47:10] <JT-Work> I can step it up to 6k no problem and cut once there
[17:47:18] <Jymmm> Dave911: Now to find it in the US
[17:47:23] <Dave911> JT: Good ..
[17:50:54] <Jymmm> This gives me an idea http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/BombTrolley03114.jpg
[17:51:13] <Jymmm> JT-Work: your next project.... http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62868
[17:52:05] <Jymmm> what are those clamps they used on ship portal windows with a wing nut called?
[17:52:18] <JT-Work> eye bolts
[17:53:09] <Jymmm> JT-Work: Really? I thought they had a fixture like the gray one in here http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/BombTrolley03114.jpg
[17:54:11] <Jymmm> I REALLY dont want to fabricate a damn clamp.
[17:54:43] <JT-Work> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tradenote.net/images/users/000/353/956/products_images/409557.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tradenote.net/ship_6/&h=622&w=608&sz=28&tbnid=ccwqqc6nemzurM:&tbnh=136&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dporthole&zoom=1&q=porthole&hl=en&usg=__9sOODcaHBs7ReMVVya_841K8Uuk=&sa=X&ei=1CuiTMKgJ8PflgeKvszlBA&ved=0CD0Q9QEwAw
[17:57:03] <Jymmm> http://www.directindustry.com/prod/camloc/draw-latch-56993-376551.html
[17:57:37] <JT-Work> I don't see any porthole latches there
[17:57:58] <Jymmm> it's for the air scubber lid
[17:58:11] <Jymmm> just need right angle
[18:09:46] <Guest571> I have a Dell Optiplex GX520 with Pent. 4 3.00 GHz it has worked fine with 8.04 and EMC for months, Loaded 10.04 and EMC from Live-CD and latency numbers are terrible. Any suggestions where i should look?
[18:11:03] <JT-Work> is there any info on the wiki about this?
[18:11:56] <Guest571> Some but has not worked nor the tricks that did work with 8.04
[18:13:21] <psha> Guest571: what is your video card? onboard intel?
[18:15:07] <Guest571> onboard, machine does not have any full hight slots to try other cards I have
[18:17:48] <alSMT> did you try turning off accel?
[18:20:25] <psha> or simply blacklisting i915
[18:22:36] <Guest571> 10.04 uses GRUB2, still finding my way there, did however start machine in fail safe graphic mode same problem
[18:45:28] <Guest571> I am reloading 8.04 and 2.4 to keep running for now. I will research this more. Thanks for your thoughts.
[18:54:38] <srpski> srpski is now known as Dannyboy
[19:12:17] <Dave911> Jymmm: Why not just bolt it on? Bolts though the lid into the edge of the box, or into a bar with tapped holes which is fastened to the side of the box.
[19:12:49] <Jymmm> Dave911: Box is air tight, out of MDF.
[19:13:25] <Dave911> How about screws - drywall.. very cheap..
[19:13:47] <Jymmm> Dave911: MDF, can't use screws thru edges.
[19:14:34] <Dave911> Sure you can.. unless you used 3/8ths or something really thin. #6 drywall screws will work into predrilled holes..
[19:14:53] <Dave911> Use some foam tape on the edge for a seal and you are done..
[19:15:26] <Jymmm> Dave911: Again, you can not use screws thru the edge of MDF, it will split it. Especially on somethign that is under tension and being latched/released as needed.
[19:16:15] <Jymmm> You can on the face, hell you can even tap MDF on the face, just not on the edges.
[19:17:36] <Dave911> I have mdf furniture that says otherwise ... ;-) but let me find something else for you... Do you have an Sauder furniture? The cheap stuff made out of MDF? They have an edge anchoring system that they use.. Let me find a pict.
[19:17:44] <DaViruz> http://85.228.161.198/buschcncnf1/DSC_0144.jpg
[19:17:47] <DaViruz> finally!
[19:17:55] <DaViruz> now if i can just get the oil furnace out
[19:18:38] <Jymmm> Dave911: Ususally they use dowel nuts
[19:19:56] <Dave911> Yep, that is one way.. those are plenty strong... Do you have any Sauder furniture stores near you? They have those fasteners.
[19:20:28] <Dave911> They also have those cam lock type fasteners.. I don't know if you have seen those..
[19:20:38] <Jymmm> Yep
[19:21:38] <Dave911> DaViruz : Forklift - chain to furnace ... put into gear .. push pedal ;-) Speedy removal..
[19:22:07] <DaViruz> the water lines are still connected :/
[19:22:25] <Jymmm> DaViruz: Light match, toss in tank. Faster removal of EVERYTHING!
[19:22:34] <Dave911> DaViruz: Details .. details ...
[19:22:37] <psha> where emc stores history of mdi commands?
[19:24:40] <Jymmm> SON OF A BITCH!!!
[19:24:42] <alex_joni> psha: emc doesn't store mdi commands
[19:24:47] <alex_joni> psha: but AXIS does
[19:24:52] <Jymmm> http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/412835/2182234/0/1146645197/Catch.jpg
[19:24:56] <alex_joni> in ~/.axis.rc iirc
[19:25:08] <Jymmm> Second row down, far right
[19:25:15] <psha> alex_joni: thanks, incorrect question )
[19:25:23] <Jymmm> THAT's EXACTLY what I need!!!
[19:29:01] <Dave911> Jymmm: Do those actually exist or are they just 3D drawings??
[19:29:44] <Jymmm> Dave911: GuangZhou Jing Wen Hardware Co.,Ltd China
[19:30:18] <Jymmm> http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/products/1948702/Draw_Latches.html#normal_img
[19:31:21] <Jymmm> PN: CCM-J32
[20:00:17] <Dave911> Jymmm: I don't recall seeing a GuangZhou Jin Wen Hardware display at Home Depot. But perhaps I just missed it. ;-)
[20:01:02] <Jymmm> Dave911: PHUK EWE and the Junk your rode in on!
[20:01:17] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_%28ship%29
[20:01:51] <SWPLinux> cool. one of the principal architects at VMWare just sat by me
[20:02:15] <Dave911> Hey... I'm just trying to be helpful... ;-)
[20:02:20] <SWPLinux> too bad I have to head for my next flight soon
[20:02:42] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: Yo use vmware?
[20:02:49] <SWPLinux> not at the moment
[20:02:49] <Jymmm> Dave911: =)
[20:02:52] <Dave911> They probably have later flights...
[20:03:08] <SWPLinux> well, to be honest I'd rather see my wife sooner than chat with the guy :)
[20:03:45] <Dave911> I guess that is a good thing. :-)
[20:03:59] <SWPLinux> yeah, and the internets can prove that I said it too ;)
[20:04:48] <Jymmm> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
[20:04:53] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: not anymore =)
[20:05:08] <Dave911> I'll testify ... as SWP scans the flight board for future flights ...
[20:05:25] <SWPLinux> sudo dd /dev/zero http://*
[20:05:29] <Jymmm> Dave911: Care to wager your testicals on that?
[20:06:22] <Dave911> nope ....
[20:06:33] <Jymmm> didnt think so
[20:06:45] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: =)
[20:06:50] <Dave911> bbl
[20:06:57] <SWPLinux> heh
[20:17:15] <SWPLinux> ok, time to go. see you later
[20:17:22] <Jymmm> hatsa
[20:30:23] <ries_> ries_ is now known as ries
[20:35:45] <andypugh> My Mill rotates. The eBay VFD and the motor rewire has worked nicely.
[20:36:46] <andypugh> It's rather a nive VFD, it spins the motor down to 0.1Hz so I think that toolchanger indexing should be easily possible. (It's an Altivar11 with sensorless flux-vector control)
[21:20:47] <Xavier_H> Hi all
[21:21:11] <andypugh> Hi
[21:22:12] <Xavier_H> I have a small question about how to run non gcode program from a pyvcp button?
[21:22:49] <Xavier_H> It is gcode script to measure Z tool offset with a switch
[21:23:20] <andypugh> You can link the Pyvcp to an MDI_COMMAND (which has to be G-code) and then make that G-code be an M100-199 calling an external executable file.
[21:24:44] <Xavier_H> In fact it is a gcode program (the "non" is a mistake sorry)
[21:24:55] <NTU> Hi. Does anybody have any idea why when I don't use --prefix=/usr; make; sudo make install on EMC, it never works right and I get seg faults? I even copied and pasted the install script into my arch package and it still keeps seg faulting on milltask.
[21:25:00] <andypugh> In that case it is easy: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.3/html/gui_halui.html#sub:MDI
[21:25:20] <Xavier_H> thank you I'll read them!
[21:25:26] <Xavier_H> and come back
[21:25:29] <Xavier_H> ;-)
[21:25:47] <NTU> http://pastebin.com/bw1WANXX
[21:26:40] <Xavier_H> I'm come back! But I don't understant how to put multiple line gcode in MDI_COMMAND?
[21:27:13] <NTU> What I need to have happen is "install" EMC inside $pkgdir and have it work, but apparently, somehow, EMC never works. milltask[1464]: segfault at bf594ffc ip b7776d78 sp bf595000 error 6 in libposemath.so.0[b7763000+16000]
[21:27:46] <andypugh> The G-code in the MDI command can be of the form O<filename> call. That will run a subroutine in a file called "filename.ngc" in the default location specified in the INI file
[21:28:29] <Xavier_H> ok... Thank you again!
[21:28:37] <andypugh> NTU: I have absolutely no idea. What does the arch= line do though?
[21:29:04] <NTU> specifies weather its 32 bit or 64 bit package
[21:29:34] <andypugh> Xavier_H: It is not immediately obvious, but the subroutine file needs to include O<filename> SUB at the beginning and O<filename> ENC at the end.
[21:29:39] <Jymmm> architecture
[21:29:52] <andypugh> Seems to be saying 64 bit?
[21:29:54] <NTU> If I run sudo make install, 10 outta 10 times, it works. with PKGBUILD scripts, not once.
[21:29:58] <NTU> its both..
[21:30:06] <NTU> hence i686
[21:30:10] <andypugh> OK.
[21:30:19] <andypugh> I did say I had absolutely no idea.
[21:30:25] <NTU> :) its ok
[21:32:32] <NTU> once this is done,i can build an arch linux live cd for EMC..
[21:34:20] <NTU> and im so very close..
[21:37:56] <NTU> make install DESTDIR={$pkgdir} fails at the same place too so i tried the install script and ported it over to $pkgdir and still nothing. If any developers have any advice, things to try, or need more information, I'll be glad to test / provide such. :D
[21:51:35] <andypugh> NTU: You could see if mozmck wakes up when his computer goes ping because his name has been mentioned.
[21:52:44] <NTU> :)
[21:57:07] <celeron55_> celeron55_ is now known as celeron55
[22:05:48] <mozmck> NTU: I woke up! actually working and don't check in here real often.
[22:06:41] <mozmck> I had problems before installing in any directory other than /usr, and had fixed them. This was over a year ago though if I remember correctly.
[22:06:53] <NTU> ohh...
[22:07:32] <NTU> So the fixes weren't pushed upstream?
[22:08:36] <mozmck> They were, but there may be new ones. I haven't tested installing in a non-standard directory lately, and it doesn't seem that anyone else does either.
[22:09:33] <mozmck> make install is not used by most or well tested.
[22:09:59] <NTU> oh. is there a replacement?
[22:10:30] <mozmck> dpkg-buildpackage :)
[22:11:11] <NTU> uh oh..
[22:12:16] <mozmck> yeah. It's probably some python thing looking for something in the wrong place. Did you check all the error logs?
[22:13:41] <NTU> yep. I'm not sure if it was you or alex_joni but I was told to run milltask with the core dump file with gdb to find out why milltask / libposemath was fualting
[22:13:46] <NTU> *seg faulting
[22:14:08] <NTU> it turned out to be very simple code.
[22:14:50] <mozmck> hmm, probably alex_joni. I was able to find enough info in error logs to track down the problems before.
[22:14:58] <mozmck> It usually was something simple.
[22:15:30] <NTU> yeah it was a 3 line of code file.
[22:18:09] <jthornton> my 10.04 machine boots up to "Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS zotac tty1
[22:18:19] <jthornton> zotac login:
[22:18:29] <jthornton> any idea what is wrong?
[22:18:32] <NTU> Gnome doesn't start?
[22:18:56] <jthornton> no, just a blank screen with the prompt
[22:19:45] <NTU> sincos!
[22:19:47] <NTU> that was it!
[22:20:15] <NTU> sincos.c line 36 which is {
[22:20:42] <Valen> jthornton: you have the zotac with the nvidia chip on it?
[22:21:06] <jthornton> let me look what chip it has
[22:21:27] <jthornton> yep the box says nvidia
[22:22:01] <NTU> thats where gdb bt told me it was crashing
[22:22:05] <Valen> could be a driver issue
[22:22:09] <jthornton> worked fine up to today
[22:22:10] <Valen> can you ssh into it?
[22:22:26] <jthornton> I have never done that
[22:22:34] <jthornton> I'm logged in now
[22:22:48] <jthornton> and I'm in my home directory
[22:23:01] <NTU> jthornton, try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[22:23:14] <NTU> post any errors if any
[22:23:40] <jthornton> I'll be darn it worked
[22:23:41] <Valen> it can be easier to look at logs and pastebin stuff from a working computer is all but see what happens
[22:23:51] <Valen> have you tried rebooting it?
[22:23:55] <jthornton> what did I just do?
[22:24:01] <jthornton> yes, a couple of times
[22:24:05] <Valen> started the graphical part manually
[22:24:12] <jthornton> ah, ok
[22:24:23] <Valen> I wonder if your seeing a bug in 10.04
[22:24:45] <Valen> pastebin your /var/log/syslog
[22:24:59] <Valen> or at least your recent failed boot
[22:25:11] <Valen> gedit /var/log/syslog
[22:25:12] <jthornton> I just did a reboot and I'm back to the login
[22:25:46] <Valen> yeah login then start x (the gdm line) then pastebin your syslog
[22:25:50] <Valen> for this boot
[22:26:11] <NTU> make sure you aren't using nouveau either
[22:26:20] <NTU> X never started for me with that
[22:26:33] <Valen> thats the open 3d driver isnt it?
[22:26:47] <NTU> the reverse engineered open driver yes
[22:26:56] <jthornton> I just followed the bouncing ball when I installed it
[22:27:14] <jthornton> my internet connection is broke on that one too for some reason
[22:27:26] <Valen> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[22:29:02] <jthornton> still no network, let me try connecting to the router
[22:30:13] <jthornton> no luck with that
[22:30:34] <jthornton> I had a power outage yesterday...
[22:31:18] <jthornton> mtr 8.8.8.8 show up with no connections
[22:31:22] <Valen> had one here about 20 minutes ago
[22:32:00] <jthornton> right click on the lan icon and it shows addressed in all fields
[22:32:16] <Valen> brb
[22:32:24] <jthornton> ok
[22:33:59] <NTU> mozmck, I'm taking off now. If you find / figure out anything new just let me know and I'll get back to you later.
[22:34:20] <mozmck> ok. see ya!
[22:34:45] <Valen> gedit /var/log/syslog
[22:34:52] <Valen> and go to the end
[22:35:33] <Valen> then look for anything "hinky"
[22:35:37] <jthornton> ok
[22:36:00] <jthornton> nothing looks funny
[22:36:46] <jthornton> except I can get on the internet now
[22:37:03] <Valen> whats the output of "runlevel"
[22:37:36] <jthornton_> N 2
[22:37:45] <Valen> well thats a good start
[22:41:23] <jthornton> 27 files needed upgrading so I'm doing that now
[22:41:35] <Valen> always a good plan
[22:42:11] <jthornton> now firefox won't connect on this computer but chatzilla works
[22:42:30] <Valen> firefox wants network manager to tell it its online
[22:42:37] <Valen> untick work offline
[22:42:46] <Valen> there is something broken in your upstart
[22:42:55] <Valen> I've seen it happen on other 10.04 machines
[22:43:05] <jthornton> this is a windows machine here
[22:43:16] <jthornton> jthornton_ is the 10.04 machine
[22:43:17] <Valen> firefox isnt working on winders?
[22:43:33] <jthornton> was a minute ago before I booted the router
[22:44:45] <jthornton> brb
[22:49:07] <JT-Hardinge> this is the other Zotac and all is well here :)
[22:53:24] <jthornton> I'm not against reloading the LiveCD I don't have much on there
[23:01:59] <jthornton> internet back working here on the windoz machine so I'm downloading a fresh LiveCD...
[23:02:39] <jthornton> * jthornton wanders back out to the shop to finish changing the windows (real ones) on the Discovery 308
[23:25:27] <ries_> ries_ is now known as ries