#emc | Logs for 2010-07-10

[00:04:40] <theorb> theorb is now known as theorbtwo
[01:54:30] <andypugh> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270603142925
[01:54:44] <andypugh> Well made little machines
[05:13:36] <Srpski> Srpski is now known as Dannyboy
[06:24:29] <WalterN> ugh
[06:24:57] <WalterN> two people at work are always increasing the RPM when deburring parts
[06:25:13] <WalterN> and people wonder why there are no sharp deburring tools
[07:48:30] <WalterN> I should type up a note and stick it to every drill press
[08:54:45] <alex_joni> finally we'll see sharks with lasers (http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/Spyder_III_Pro_Arctic_Series-96-37.html)
[09:12:09] <KimK> Hi Alex. I saw that on Drudge the other day, only the article they linked to had a more impressive title, lol: "Working lightsaber ‘the most dangerous laser ever created’" http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06/16/working-lightsaber-the-most-dangerous-laser-ever-created (Complete with Yoda! And I liked their caption on the lightsaber: "Hey, point that thing somewhere else!")
[09:13:48] <KimK> AFK again, back later
[09:15:24] <alex_joni> me too
[10:45:11] <DaViruz> http://daviruz.meeep.net/gallery2/v/eye-fi-dump/IMG_1856.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[10:45:15] <DaViruz> yay.
[11:08:04] <jthornton> looking good
[12:28:34] <MattyMatt> ak. leccy forklift going for 500 squids in 30s
[12:28:48] <MattyMatt> gone
[12:30:20] <MattyMatt> this is going to be the 1980s all over again. loads of stuff going cheap while I've got no cash
[12:31:42] <MattyMatt> 1ton tho. I can shift that much with a pump truck
[12:33:10] <MattyMatt> bleh :) silly looking on ebay when I've got no cash
[12:42:50] <moop> 500 squid is not cheap for a fork lift
[12:43:21] <moop> especially if you dont need a fork lift
[12:43:34] <moop> and dont have any squid
[12:43:56] <moop> but its seems a strange token for barter?
[12:44:09] <moop> was it being sold by a sea food restaurant?
[12:46:25] <moop> I have just blown up another drive
[16:03:12] <sealive> Hi from germany can i trigger parport STROBE at every Step and Direction change
[16:03:23] <Eponyme_Le_> Eponyme_Le_ is now known as Eponyme_Le
[16:19:03] <cpresser> sealive: i think that may be possible by manually ajusting the hal-file
[16:19:05] <Jymmm> are you wanting to add LED indicators?
[16:19:28] <sealive> cpresser: thanks
[16:19:31] <cpresser> but what exactly is a step-change?
[16:19:43] <sealive> cpresser: you got a link where to start this operation
[16:20:18] <sealive> i got a stepper control SMC800
[16:21:07] <sealive> that has 74HCT574 abd Gal16v8 on it tha Handbok says STROME Low activates the Step
[16:23:54] <Jymmm> It's just a signal. You can change the pinout within EMC
[16:24:28] <Jymmm> It's DB25 pin 1
[16:24:42] <sealive> Jymmm: i got now my 15th CNC router so im used to emc but not to this control modul
[16:24:48] <Jymmm> So within emc, map pin1 to your step signal
[16:25:34] <sealive> Jymmm: in the hal
[16:25:53] <Jymmm> your ini file
[16:26:17] <sealive> i think it has to get a full togel cycle at every step of a axis or direction change
[16:26:37] <cpresser> Jymmm: it seems it is not that simple, since you are controlling the steppers sequential, not all in parallel
[16:27:03] <cpresser> eg, first send a step to the x-axis, latch the data out; then send a step to the z-axis, latch ist to the controller
[16:27:35] <Jymmm> Oh gawd, throw it in the trash
[16:28:06] <Jymmm> The SMC800 is 0.8A / phase and max 28V. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[16:28:31] <sealive> i got to drill 4k 0,5mm holes
[16:29:09] <Jymmm> use one of your other 15 cnc machines
[16:29:21] <sealive> its not mine
[16:29:26] <cpresser> that sounds reasonable
[16:30:41] <cpresser> get some cheap china-stepper-controllers :)
[16:31:12] <Jymmm> or three of those smc800
[16:35:08] <sealive> i will have a look at the C-file that is for Dos-control
[16:38:27] <Jymmm> If you had to carve a diagonal line, sounds like it would look like this: /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (but at a 45deg of course) instead of -------------------
[16:38:54] <Jymmm> or do it REALLY slow
[16:46:21] <Eponyme_Le_> Eponyme_Le_ is now known as Eponyme_Le
[16:58:35] <SWPadnos> sealive, you may be able to get the strobe you need by using "double-step" on the strobe pin. add parport.0.reset to the base thread (after all the other functions I think), set parport.0.pin-01-out to 1, and set the reset time for some number of microseconds
[16:58:58] <SWPadnos> you might have to invert that pin, depending on which edge the step is latched in
[16:59:24] <sealive> the latch is low
[16:59:47] <SWPadnos> ok, so set parport.0.pin-01-invert
[17:00:05] <SWPadnos> having the pin set to 1 means that a 1 will be output at the same time as all the step/dir lines are changed
[17:00:38] <SWPadnos> and using the reset function (and associated setup) will make the STROBE output go low when the reset function is called
[17:00:44] <SWPadnos> oops, you don't want to invert
[17:02:32] <sealive> i gone do this in 5min back
[17:02:35] <sealive> Thanks so far
[17:02:40] <SWPadnos> sure
[17:02:47] <SWPadnos> remember the man pages :)
[17:03:21] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands SWPadnos a cookie
[17:03:27] <SWPadnos> yum yum
[17:03:39] <sealive> i think best is to take this complede system here to talk its only 5KG
[17:16:36] <sealive> SWPadnos: so i'am ready for input first where do i have to make this change in ini ?
[17:16:43] <SWPadnos> hal file
[17:17:05] <SWPadnos> or you can put the commands in the ini file, as HALCMD= lines in the [HAL] section
[17:17:28] <sealive> i use hal file
[17:17:36] <SWPadnos> you'll have to figure out exactly what's necessary, I'm about to head out
[17:18:02] <SWPadnos> the manpage for hal_parport should be helpful
[17:18:29] <sealive> ok
[17:18:46] <sealive> so this igone if i use Stepconf again
[17:20:04] <Eponyme_Le_> Eponyme_Le_ is now known as Eponyme_Le
[17:21:28] <sealive> SWPadnos: when will you be back ?
[17:27:29] <sealive> i'am still online ?
[17:29:09] <sealive> cpresser: ?
[17:30:47] <sealive> ok close here
[17:37:01] <sealive_cnc> SWPadnos: still here ?
[17:45:40] <sealive_cnc> someone can help me by doing a hal manipulation
[18:03:38] <sealive_cnc> someone can help me by doing a hal manipulation
[18:04:39] <pcw_home> looks like the SMC800 is pretty weird, you would need to
[18:04:41] <pcw_home> output channel code and new step phase info for each
[18:04:43] <pcw_home> channel that needs to step and pulse strobe low each time
[18:04:45] <pcw_home> ( maybe 9 writes for all 3 axis)
[18:06:11] <sealive_cnc> if i upload the hal can you dou one axis
[18:08:48] <pcw_home> Beyond my HAL capabilities...
[18:09:07] <sealive_cnc> thanks
[18:10:01] <sealive_cnc> i tryd the tutorial but my english is not good for this
[19:02:07] <louipc> nice
[19:28:00] <andypugh> Odd, I got a pop-up saying I had a message
[19:30:56] <Jymmm> Hi andypugh
[19:31:26] <Jymmm> i didnt want you to feel abandond
[19:31:35] <sealive> B)
[19:46:39] <morfic> andypugh: might be memoserv
[20:10:21] <andypugh> It was memoserv, but it had nothing to tell me.
[20:10:46] <louipc> poof
[20:11:06] <louipc> anyone know of a good free cam package that works on linux?
[20:11:12] <andypugh> Ever start a job knowing it is not going to work out, then find that it goes really easily and well?
[20:11:28] <andypugh> Good, Free, Linux. Choose any two.
[20:11:42] <louipc> free, linux
[20:11:44] <louipc> D:
[20:11:58] <andypugh> Have you seen HeeksCAD / HeeksCAM?
[20:12:18] <louipc> yeah I've heard of it
[20:12:25] <louipc> how about good, linux?
[20:12:58] <andypugh> I only pay any attention to free stuff
[20:13:03] <louipc> hehe nice
[20:13:24] <louipc> well it'd be nice if cam software wasn't $15,000+
[20:13:34] <louipc> I mean if you're paying that much they should really make it run on linux
[20:13:47] <louipc> dagnabit
[20:14:28] <andypugh> danielfalck! Come back!
[20:14:32] <louipc> yay
[20:14:50] <andypugh> danielfalck: louipc is looking for linux CAM.
[20:15:35] <danielfalck> heekscnc
[20:16:03] <danielfalck> it really works pretty well now
[20:16:10] <andypugh> http://code.google.com/p/heekscnc/
[20:17:30] <louipc> thanks folks
[20:23:11] <danielfalck> louipc: some of the stuff I've been doing in Heekscnc :
[20:23:14] <danielfalck> http://opensourcedesigntools.blogspot.com/
[20:32:08] <louipc> cool I used to do parametric programming
[20:37:10] <danielfalck> Dan Heeks' latest entry should blow a lot of people away:
[20:37:13] <danielfalck> http://heekscnc.blogspot.com/
[20:37:34] <danielfalck> milling on a surface with user selectable 2D shapes
[20:38:01] <danielfalck> engraving on surfaces is totally doable now
[21:06:19] <Jymmm> and has been for thousands of years
[21:06:49] <louipc> yeah that's what I was thinking
[21:08:07] <JT-Hardinge> I wonder who will get all my tools when I die... my son-in-law has three tools and knows how to use 2 of them
[21:08:16] <JT-Hardinge> somewhat
[21:08:38] <Jymmm> JT-Hardinge: SHIP TO: Jymmm
[21:08:42] <louipc> teach him the rest?
[21:09:35] <andypugh> I expect to get my dad's tools some time in the next couple of decades. I have no idea what I will do with them.
[21:10:50] <JT-Hardinge> he lives too far away
[21:11:02] <JT-Hardinge> hmmm ship them to Jymmm
[21:11:48] <louipc> give em to your neighbour
[21:11:53] <andypugh> Sounds like a plan. I doubt I will need any more tools at that stage.
[21:12:48] <andypugh> My dad's tools include two lathes, a univesal grinder, two shapers, a horizontal borer and 3 generations' worth of spanners.
[21:13:08] <louipc> nice
[21:13:18] <andypugh> We are talking a barn, not a toolbox.
[21:13:35] <cpresser> * cpresser wishes for such a barn
[21:14:04] <louipc> I honestly don't know what I'd do if I had a bunch of tools
[21:14:48] <cpresser> guess I would do some mechanical parts to improve my mill :)
[21:14:52] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge starts the chipdectomy on the turret encoder
[21:15:04] <louipc> yeah I need someone to give me a job, then I can do it
[21:15:12] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge found out wishing does not work well
[21:15:24] <louipc> but other than that there isn't much I'd make for myself
[21:16:21] <cpresser> start beeing a freelancer
[21:16:45] <cpresser> amazingly, this did work out for me :)
[21:17:00] <louipc> nice :D
[21:17:06] <louipc> did you start in your garage?
[21:17:31] <cpresser> kind of :P
[21:17:38] <louipc> awesome
[21:18:02] <cpresser> first I had a room for some electronic equipment... now I got an own workshop
[21:18:14] <gene_> Hi guys, got a "named parameter not terminated" error that doesn't seem to be, what should I look for?
[21:18:15] <andypugh> If you were tempering a drawbar collet, what tempering colour would you go for?
[21:18:26] <alex_joni> gene_: typo
[21:18:28] <gene_> 2.3.4 I believe
[21:18:50] <andypugh> gene_: Have you used "<" instead of "LT"?
[21:19:06] <gene_> its fussssing about line 3, so here is 2 to 4
[21:19:30] <gene_> left_start = -3.100
[21:19:30] <gene_> #x_inc = 0.010
[21:19:30] <gene_> #right_end = 3.100
[21:19:30] <gene_> #x_cur = [#left_start]
[21:19:48] <cradek> it's spelled #<x_inc> etc
[21:20:07] <cradek> parameters are like #123 or #<name>
[21:20:16] <gene_> this is just setting up the vars, no code has beeeeen executed
[21:21:17] <andypugh> You need the <> characters. In this case they aren't to aid reading in the docs, G-code needs them.
[21:21:17] <gene_> dummy lessons needed
[21:21:40] <gene_> wrap the names in <> then?
[21:22:03] <gene_> brb
[21:22:05] <cradek> yes like #<thename> = 123
[21:22:59] <andypugh> cradek: I spent much of this afternoon making an electric salt-melting pot for heat treating these parts. But the more I read, the less I feel like finishing it. I think I will try using the gas torch.
[21:23:45] <cradek> the torch + magnet + oil system?
[21:23:58] <andypugh> I probably won't bother with the magnet
[21:24:27] <andypugh> (And, incidentally, the Curie temperature is not directly related to the austenite transformation, as is so often asumed)
[21:24:59] <cradek> heh I think you know a bit more about that kind of thing than most
[21:26:23] <andypugh> The only reason I started with the salt bath is that I once spent a week deciding what the absolute optimum quenching medium is for spring steel. It turns out to be Sodium Hydroxide, which the company were already using because it was cheap :-)
[21:28:36] <cradek> ha!
[21:30:18] <louipc> curie temperature is when it loses magnetism?
[21:30:51] <louipc> it's like magic
[21:31:20] <andypugh> It is. Also, austenite is non-magnetic. But there is a tiny area between the curie temperature and the austenite transformation where what you actually have in non-magnetic ferrite
[21:32:15] <gene_> and I have hit that condition in electrinics service 3 times. Totally wierdsville...
[21:32:19] <andypugh> The Weller soldering irons use the effect. The tips have an alloy in the end that becomes non-magnetic at the setpoint temperature, releasing the relay.
[21:32:43] <gene_> Beat me topo it Andy..
[21:32:50] <gene_> Beat me to it Andy..
[21:34:07] <andypugh> Anyway, I am making a spare set of collets for a guy on CNCzone. (No, I am not sure why, total stranger just happened to be in the same thread) and I can practice the heat-treatment on his.
[21:34:27] <gene_> Now I think I am doing z wrong, can't get it to run the curve, useing X axis & g18, g3. Do I have to preset z to the center of the radii?
[21:34:29] <louipc> cool
[21:34:53] <andypugh> I am thinking I will temper to dark blue, I want toughness and strength more than hardness.
[21:36:13] <andypugh> gene_: No, the Z needs to the the start point.
[21:36:34] <gene_> ahh, thanks
[21:37:02] <andypugh> G0/1/2/3 always start from the current positon.
[21:37:43] <andypugh> Are you using R or I,K ?
[21:48:00] <JT-Hardinge> on an ic chip the old one has a u shape cutout on one end and the new one has a round depression on one end... I assume the marked end is the same
[21:48:10] <JT-Hardinge> on both chips
[22:09:40] <JT-Hardinge> I have a LM324 chip on the turret encoder and have replaced that chip. The even outputs work fine but the odd ones all report back as 7
[22:13:52] <pcw_home> More opens or shorts in the PCB? Bad Hall sensor?
[22:13:53] <pcw_home> schematic? maybe the 7 code can be traced back to the fault
[22:15:19] <JT-Hardinge> I'm thinking at the moment Peter that the odd ones have a short as 1, 2, and 4 are off during some of the even positions
[22:15:41] <JT-Hardinge> 2, 4, and 8 work fine
[22:17:31] <JT-Hardinge> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CDgQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fairchildsemi.com%2Fds%2FLM%252FLM324.pdf&rct=j&q=lm324n%20schematic&ei=Eu84TJfJBoPdnAeituTIBw&usg=AFQjCNEbpFMq2YP7z6MY5FZ2U7iEX_lUsg
[22:18:04] <JT-Hardinge> damm google www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/LM%2FLM324.pdf
[22:25:12] <JT-Hardinge> can't find any shorts or opens :?
[22:25:16] <JT-Hardinge> :/
[22:29:18] <JT-Hardinge> if a diode is bad could that allow all the odd ones to turn on 1, 2, and 4?
[22:31:27] <pcw_home> I meant encoder schematic
[22:31:29] <pcw_home> (a bad diode may do this, should be easily checkable with an ohmmeter)
[22:32:12] <JT-Hardinge> I'm reading up on checking diodes now :)
[22:32:32] <JT-Hardinge> I don't have a schematic on the encoder
[22:32:44] <andypugh> JT-Hardinge: The Op-amps point in opposite directions on that chip, did they on the original?
[22:33:28] <JT-Hardinge> andypugh: I'm not sure I know what your asking?
[22:33:53] <andypugh> Is the pinout exactly the same?
[22:34:21] <JT-Hardinge> they are both LM324N chips
[22:34:30] <JT-Hardinge> I assume they are...
[22:35:12] <JT-Hardinge> changing the chips did not change my symptoms
[22:36:10] <andypugh> Op-amps are just unit-gain buffers in this case?
[22:37:41] <pcw_home> Ok the right neuron fired:
[22:37:43] <pcw_home> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,30/id,1276/limit,6/limitstart,30/lang,english/#2130
[22:39:17] <pcw_home> NM thats just a op-amp A-D though sure there was a encoder schematic somewhere...
[22:40:30] <JT-Hardinge> it looks kinda similar to that but being double sided it is kinda hard to follow on the pcb itself
[22:41:20] <pcw_home> thats where a beeping continuity tester is useful
[22:41:28] <JT-Hardinge> so in that circuit the diodes prevent feedback when another part of the circuit is on that line
[22:41:35] <JT-Hardinge> like a fluke 75?
[22:41:44] <pcw_home> Yep
[22:42:51] <JT-Hardinge> I kinda thought that speaker looking symbol was next to a diode symbol
[22:43:41] <gene_> I'm still having probs with arcbuddy-1.0. I am giving it x&y data, its drawing the partial circle, but is not outputting any code. Is there a wiki entry for a man page?
[22:44:10] <JT-Hardinge> gene_: sorry no man page for that
[22:44:20] <pcw_home> ? the exclusive or gate?
[22:44:22] <pcw_home> (the diodes are used to create OR gates in the A-D schematic)
[22:44:22] <JT-Hardinge> are you loading it from within Axis
[22:45:14] <gene_> yes, then copy/paste to my code, translating for yz plane.
[22:46:53] <JT-Hardinge> when loaded in Axis ArcBuddy should paste the code into Axis itself not the copy buffer
[22:47:03] <gene_> It did work once, the segment looked good, but when fged to emc, carves a 360 degree sine wave starting and ending on the degrees input. Odd.
[22:47:09] <JT-Hardinge> I have 2 diodes that read different than the rest
[22:47:36] <JT-Hardinge> ArcBuddy is for XY plane ATM only
[22:48:00] <JT-Hardinge> now to figure out how to tell what to order :/
[22:48:25] <gene_> which is why I was using x & y, but calling it y & z, for a g19, g3 move.
[22:48:28] <JT-Hardinge> the two diodes are on 1 and 7 so any odd reading will include them I think
[22:51:43] <gene_> Maybe I should explain what I'm doing
[22:52:15] <gene_> I have a long and tall weaver sight base clamped in the vise and leveled, bottom face up.
[22:53:05] <gene_> I need to carve a ditch in the bottom (upper face now) that fits the .5625" diameter of an air rifle barrel
[22:53:40] <gene_> Using a 4 flute ball nosed mill.
[22:53:52] <gene_> .250" diameter mill.
[22:56:17] <gene_> So I would assume to set the 0,0,0 point to cut air at the moment, and cut a circle segment of about 60 degrees as the bottom segment of the circle, at a radii of .565/2, -.125 for the ball nose. Right?
[22:56:50] <andypugh> Sounds right
[22:57:03] <gene_> taint workin.
[22:57:42] <JT-Hardinge> you getting an error or it goes where you don't expect?
[22:57:56] <gene_> arcbuddy has an output window that worked the first time I used it, but has not put anything in the window since.
[22:58:02] <gene_> both
[22:58:18] <JT-Hardinge> pcw_home: the diodes have a 48 on them does this help in figuring out what they are?
[22:59:00] <gene_> If I could get arcbuddy to fill its output window again, I could literally play till I got what I wanted.
[22:59:19] <JT-Hardinge> don't open ArcBuddy in Axis then open it from the terminal
[22:59:53] <gene_> The code itself incrtements the x axis by .010 per pass, traveling a total of 6,2", so the reload time is slow.
[23:00:19] <gene_> as in python arcbuddy.py?
[23:00:26] <JT-Hardinge> yep
[23:00:33] <gene_> ok, thanks
[23:01:04] <JT-Hardinge> when you run it like that it will put the result into the copy buffer if you press that button
[23:02:45] <JT-Hardinge> gene_: it should say "Show Me" "To Clipboard" when run from the command line
[23:06:18] <gene_> It doesn't and gives no output, so I presume there is an error in my entry
[23:07:07] <JT-Hardinge> it doesn't load the program?
[23:08:02] <gene_> x0,y0, diameter .3125, start angle 210, end angle 330, x,y start points 1/2 diameter which is probably the error
[23:09:53] <andypugh> gene_: There is an option to make I,J,K absolute rather than relative. As that is the centre of the barrel, I would go that way.
[23:09:57] <gene_> It loads and runs, but doesn't give an answer I can see, or that will load to emc
[23:10:44] <andypugh> (G90.1)
[23:10:49] <JT-Hardinge> I just ran that same output from ArcBuddy on Axis sim with no problems
[23:11:01] <JT-Hardinge> start point X-0.1353 Y-0.0781
[23:11:07] <JT-Hardinge> G3 X0.1353 Y-0.0781 I0.1353 J0.0781
[23:11:17] <JT-Hardinge> gene is that the same as you got?
[23:11:24] <gene_> no
[23:11:45] <JT-Hardinge> you using vers 1.2?
[23:11:45] <gene_> let me paste that and reload it.
[23:12:53] <JT-Hardinge> pcw this is a crappy pic of the board http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/id,1276/catid,30/limit,6/limitstart,24/lang,english/
[23:19:25] <JT-Hardinge> ok, the symbol on the pcb matches a junction diode...
[23:20:09] <gene_> I believe that is going to do the trick Andy, thanks
[23:23:07] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge wonders if this will work http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062587
[23:27:50] <andypugh> JT-Hardinge: For the yellow pointy thing?
[23:28:31] <cradek> JT-Hardinge: what are you trying to do?
[23:28:48] <JT-Hardinge> I have two bad diodes on the pcb
[23:29:09] <JT-Hardinge> on 1 and 7 so any odd station reports back as station 7
[23:29:25] <JT-Hardinge> so I need to figure out what kind of diode to order or find
[23:29:30] <cradek> ahh
[23:29:53] <cradek> do you have a schematic?
[23:30:13] <cradek> or how did you know you have two bad diodes?
[23:32:37] <JT-Hardinge> diode checker on my fluke 75
[23:32:47] <JT-Hardinge> no schematic that I know of
[23:33:16] <pcw_home> probably 1n4148 diodes
[23:33:36] <cradek> yeah, and anything you have will probably work
[23:33:49] <pcw_home> almost any silicon diode will work
[23:33:57] <JT-Hardinge> I have one bad one now for sure... it fell in half when I desoldered it
[23:34:17] <Jymmm> heh, OMG YOU LET OUT THE MAGIC SMOKE!
[23:34:18] <cradek> do you have any diodes?
[23:34:32] <JT-Hardinge> no, but radio shack might have them
[23:34:44] <cradek> yeah even they might have something
[23:35:01] <JT-Hardinge> ratshack 1N914/1N4148-type diodes
[23:35:09] <Jymmm> (if you're lucky, they keep having less and less every year)
[23:35:15] <JT-Hardinge> 50 for 2.59
[23:35:35] <JT-Hardinge> yea, my only hope is they have not sold them from the 70's
[23:35:40] <cradek> yeah I bet at least 35 of them will be good
[23:35:53] <JT-Hardinge> out of the 50?
[23:35:56] <Jymmm> s/35/35%/
[23:35:57] <cradek> yeah :-)
[23:36:18] <cradek> DO YOU WANT TO BUY A CELL PHONE
[23:36:20] <JT-Hardinge> then I'll check them before installing them
[23:36:53] <cradek> JT-Hardinge: be strong! haha
[23:37:21] <Jymmm> "Yeah, I need a cellphone with free service"
[23:37:33] <JT-Hardinge> my only cell phone accessory is a Slim (
[23:37:35] <JT-Hardinge> 9
[23:37:41] <cradek> "my current plan is $19/month. can you beat that?"
[23:37:42] <JT-Hardinge> Slim 9
[23:38:15] <JT-Hardinge> my boss pays for my cell phone
[23:38:20] <JT-Hardinge> oh crap I'm the boss
[23:38:30] <Jymmm> fire yourself
[23:38:48] <JT-Hardinge> tried that but I keep coming back
[23:39:27] <JT-Hardinge> pcw_home: thanks for the heads up on a part number on the diodes
[23:43:40] <JT-Hardinge> I wish I took electronics in high school instead of cooking... but cooking was more fun
[23:52:06] <JT-Hardinge> are diodes rather delicate items?
[23:54:13] <pcw_home> Normally not, the glass sealed 1n4148s are quite tough
[23:54:56] <JT-Hardinge> the one I removed fell in two parts as I removed it... just wondering
[23:56:16] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge smells dinner... mmm
[23:57:04] <pcw_home> Ive heated the glass 1n4148 type diodes red hot and they still worked