mikeggg: the 7I33 enable output is always active high (you could use a MOSFET to invert it if needed, or just use a spare 7I37 output for AMP enable)
i want to share with you this thread:
[03:52:40] <penguin> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=AANLkTikuBTyCTiyVxWIvTz10tZIHMpmsSXTHQ-EE49Cw%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=emc-developers
please, tell me anything you want
do o word while loops screw with the cycle time in properties? i don't think 8962.something minutes looks right
can someone in here tell me where i can d/l MINI for windows?
would like to control EMC on a linux machine from my main windows desktop
found tkemc alright
but not mini
which is best?
anyone here run a similar setup?
most talk of that sort of remote control has been on the mailing lists from what I can remember
and not many do it
seems the way to go for me
having the comuter that controls the machine as a server that can be accesed from any remote computer on the local network
that way i can do all the design CAD and conversion to g-code all on one machine
you dont need remote control, just transfer the gcode
i know but it's easier to just go straight there
having the machine on the network is normal
you still need to go to the machine to load material
and be ready at the emergency stop
ok you convinced me
still could be a handy thing for developing and testing programs in simulation mode though
I hand code so tend to cut air on the real machine for testing
how do you go hand coding complex stuff?
just imagine what the machine needs to do and code accordingly
sorry bout that
so yeah i can see hand coding simple things but what complex curves, ie not simple arcs?
what about complex curves rather
I do gears and clock parts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge9_Qbd09zU&feature=related
still only simple geometrically though
yes but cam does not cover that
big ups for the hand coding
Strum_1 is now known as strum
linux cad and cam is improving most being done for 3 axis mills
what cad and CAM software is there for linux?
i'm using rhino for the CAD part atm
still looking at various CAM packages
a small selection of ideas http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cam
only used ace so far
which it pretty limited
and requires a fair bit of post conversion editing
some cam is to produce small section s of gcode to be added to other code
ah there is CAD addition to blender
hard to beat rhino for the CAD part though
so accurate, clean , and easy to use
blender is a bit of a mess and difficult to use imho
eg my first cam was http://www.archivist.info/gear/
I later stopped using that as it was just as simple for me to make the gcode take parameters and just work
i can see that if you knew G-code really well you could do most things directly
heekscad with the heekscnc is coming on some are making stuff with it now
it all depends on the sort of parts you want to make
well i have lots of different ideas
cut model planes and boats out of balsa sheets
want to get 4th axis setup to do flutes
soon after you add the 4th you see need for 5th :)
i can already
building my first machine out of MDF and skateboard bearings
ah, not fine work then
not at this stage
can't afford to buy quality linear bearings and lead screws
if i can get .1 mm accuracy i would be very happy
loose bearings will allow play, cause chatter and possibly broken tooling
morning from germany
afternoon from australia
afternoon on me
aus to beat germany in the group match of the world cup!!!
world cup rock
we will see
may the berst team win
just pulling your leg
be very surprised if we win
ther is always a chance its a game
a lucky shot
see the cup final last night?
how did not
cheating italian dogs
the italien did the tribel as the germans wantet to
so no looser
it has to be one
the fgermans it a hell of e season
massive hand ball in the box by the inter defender
heaps of professional fouls
dirty cheating italian dogs
they are a disgrace to the game
wouldn't be surprised if it was rigged
there is always a no penalty Rule in such a game
penaltie does turn a Game in different ways
Ej did anyone ever millt intu UREOL or Necuron?
sorry don't read german
NECURON® is the market name of a group of special high-performance polyurethane materials developed and manufactured by the German company NECUMER
looks like ti was made to be milled
should be easy
All NECURON® products can be machined with standard wood and metal processing tools and allow not only a very high cutting speed and feed but also create practically no dust.
good morning.i want compile the 2.4.0 version, but when run in terminal ./autogen.sh have error ./autogen.sh: line 6: autoconf: comando non trovato
, because ?
comando non trovato in english ?
command not understand or not know
probably because you have not installed the dependencies
but first in 2.3.4 i compile with ./configure , in 2.4.0 not fuction ?
have you installed the autoconf package
archivist, when can dowload the 2.4.0 .tar.gz ?
i dowloat it of git , but i thing have dowload a incomplete version
there is info what do yuo need to install to compile 2.4.0
heh you beat me to that url micges :)
!wench learn building on ubuntu is http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#Preparing_Ubuntu_to_compile_emc2
I have learnt building on ubuntu is http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#Preparing_Ubuntu_to_compile_emc2
micges, is possible have a .tar.gz version the 2.4.0 release i can compile it
motioncontrol: git doesn't work ?
no i don't know git is complex for me. Is possible have a tar.gz file for unzip it ?
^^ 2.4.0 snapshot in tgz
micges ok thanks
micges, i have decompress the file and start ./configure , but not fuction.i have start ./autogen.sh nut have error line 6 : autoconf not know because ?
motioncontrol: read wiki link I've posted earlier
micges, ok thanks
micges, ok i have install autoconf dependens. more thenaks for help
that wasn't so hard
* JT-Dev is off on a bike ride with some friends
how's the big blue beast? sitting idle waiting for gcode?
I can't stand it when mine's not running now :)
I lost all the toolpath drawing I did this week, so I'm working on the auto code some more
I'm not drawing those zigzags and spirals by hand again, if I can help it
ah I still have the gcode for nearly all of it. so if I get the gcode importer working, it's back
then I'll need is_bunch_of_tiny_G1_moves_really_an_arc()
kind of marty =P
but I got vectricsoftware now so I am working on stuff!
proprietary files :) careful as you go
MattyMatt: if you find or make a good arc-filter that would be useful for me too, could you post on emc-devel or smthn?
awallin, you want it in C?
bleh, I bet you want to pass it an STL list of <vector2d> :)
* frallzor doesnt like STL anymore
I'll try it in python first. never mind the speed feel the ease
some reasonably good algorithm will do, in any language...
it's very similar to the bezier one I think
you just go along the path comparing pairs of G1
a triplet can show concentricity
triplets or more, you try and add more to the arc until you find a segment which is not a tangent
* frallzor loves vectrics simulations
MattyCNC, dunno if this is of use, a bezier curve python code, breaks curve into n straight lines. from a pyvcp widget i use in custom dgets.py
[12:43:57] <tom3p> http://pastebin.com/c9NyeJGM
dgets.py / pyvcpwidgets.py
surely there is existing software to do this?
do you have a screenshot of the output?
ah it's OK, I got that bit anyway. that's gcode output
it's the n (or X) straight lines to arc/bezier that's trickier :)
someone in #blendercoders has just written a curve smoothing func. I'll have to look at that
if using emc2.4 maybe you can try the nurbs gcodes instead?
emc can do that?
new in emc2.4, pretty untested so far
i just draw a nurbs curve in rhino , exorted it as DXF into ACE and it produces g-code made up of lots of G1 movements, lines
but it works
breaking into lines is kind of ok because emc blends them, but tangent arcs are a better export
but I'd try the nurbs gcodes
looks like the go
but getting them from the CAD file might be tricky
still looking into CAM solutions
you can't export as dxf, because you've already lost your nurbs when you do
you need a more direct export
there is an openNURBS standard file format isn't there?
rhino 3dm isn't it
has made available C++ libraries to read and write their native .3DM format through the OpenNURBS initiative http://www.opennurbs.org/
I don't know about any of that stuff, but if you have a dxf exporter you can change, you should be able to do gcode more directly
messing with freemill now
* archivist stabs Grizzly and South Bend for not making it easy to get a drive belt :(
I was just running the old beast up getting the oil around and the flat belt snapped
weey I allready got 2 clients
signs for both
what sort of machine?
a mill :P
more or less info? =)
ot native buitl for CNC
www.mechmate.com this built from scratch
or native built
you built it yourself?
I dont have all the tools so I built it at a local shop with all the tools one could Imagine =)
think i looked at this site once before
few months ago I dreamed about making one, never thought I'd actually make one =)
i have been dreming for years
dreamed about it for 1 month, 5 months later here I am :P
how much it cost to build?
all in all incl software for it?
or just the machine ready to go?
just the machine
but im swedish, currency differences is a bitch
way beyond my budget
I thinks its quite pricey in my currency but still hell of a lot cheaper than factory made ones of the same caliber
2 clients the day after I got software to design with is pretty nice too
they just knew I was building a machine, didnt know if it was done =)
i'm planning a desktop sized machine
from mdf and skatebord bearings
see if i can get work for it then save up for better parts to build better machine
I prefer it anyway :) same sort of price
nah mdf is more stable
and machines much better
good qual plywood is v expensive here
as long as you don't breathe the dust
yeah i know about that
use dust mask
mind you plywood is bad enough
MDF is nice
* frallzor milled some of it recently
does HDF exist?
I've never seen it, what's it like?
dont know if its pure "wood" like mdf but they HDF ive seen is layered with alu sheets
sounds good for a machine :) coolant resistant
I can mill alu. I proved it on my vice
took a corver of quite neatly
my vice could be potmetal
surely a decent vice wuld be cast iron
this is an ultracheap drill vice
just like the Silverline one you see on ebay
it does the job while I'm practicing on small bits of scrap
I was almost ready to clamp a big sheet down but blender crashed last night, and autosave failed
I lost 4 days of toolpath composition
you heard the one about jesus and the devil having a hacking competition?
nahg five i'll see if i can find it
[15:40:21] <strum> http://humorsection.blogspot.com/2007/04/christian-humor-jesus-vs-devil.html
you worked 4 days and didn't save your work once?
i save every change i make
sometimes in sequential numberings
so you have a complete record of the project
and can go back if something stuffs up
I was relying on autosave, or imagining everythime I exported gcode it saved like my C editor :)
well i guess you have learned your lesson now
remember Jesus Saves
it's set to autosave every finutes, but it's pretty hopeless, always failing for me
^every 5 mins
you can't trust autosaves
Ah I got the gcode, and milled it. job done :)
what was it took 4 days to make the tool path?
several parts for mendel
your first one?
I'm making 3 of everything
selling 2, so I can afford to build the 3rd
got buyers lined up ?
there's a general clamour
seems like a bit of a toy to mee
they can fetch $500 for a set on ebay
parts they produce look neither accurate or strong from what i have seen on the net
they are, but potentially useful
they can always be finished by "subtractive processes"
why not just start from there
have you seen the price of big blocks of plastic? it'd make your eyes water
but the benefits outweigh the extra material cost imho
would have thought it was cheap
what about the stock for the reprap extruder?
granules are cheap, but dense blocks seem not to be
ah the stock for the extruder is overpriced compared to granules
that's a problem that's being worked on
maybe the answer for machining it is press your own granules in a piston
square piston, ideally, for a mill :)
yeah that was my first thought
question.. should I buy a proxxon MF70 milling machine and retrofit it to run with EMC2?
found it for abt 150eur
use the same piston with inserts, for injection moulding
good thinking MattyMatt
>.> someone beat me to it :(
fragalot: yeah that's a great price for a working mill
fragalot sounds too cheap
must be something wrong with it
naah, sometimes someone wants rid of it, and nobody else sees it
have you been and had a look at it?
I'd think of it as a kit of parts anyway
if the leadscrews are shot, go straight to ballscrews etc
they're never good enough :)
even slop in the ways can be attended to, in the worst case
shims & gibbs and whatnots
[16:02:12] <strum> http://www.rpmechatronics.co.uk/products/leadscrews.html
porn for engineers
* fragalot looks for something else
anyone here have any suggestions? all I really need it for is to engrave/drill PCB's..
[16:03:34] <MattyMatt> http://www.slidesandballscrews.com/ball-screws-c-39.html
i've already made the controllers and have stepper motors etc, just looking for a 'reliable' base now as i lack the time to make it all from scratch
$500+ shipping from Taiwan
* fragalot looks
so 300 quids
so.. about 350 eur?
roundabout there yeah
that's INCLUDING the drivers etc?
not including drivers, but including motors
I think he likes you to have glossy black motors
oh, site i'm looking at now says includes stepper driver, steppers, etc
dunno, maybe that's new
oh.. it's 900eur too
sable 2015 on belgian ebay: 0 results.. figures :(
look on ebay
try ebay.uk or .com :)
shipping's going to be a pain as usual :/
oh yes. it's heavy
the prices on that site are excellent MattyMatt
[16:09:39] <strum> http://www.slidesandballscrews.com
the one you posted didn't have prices :) that made me suspicious
when ebay says 'freight' as the shipping price, wtf does that mean o.O
it means arm & leg
was just a random selection
MattyMatt: both? :(
write and ask him
I doubt you'll be the first in europe
tom3p paid $150 shipping to US iirc
well, you've got a photo :) clone it in MDF and paint it black. it'll work nearly as well :)
already have the base etc, but lately i've been lacking in time to finish the build
it's the proportions that make it so pretty and solid
yeah I was building something along that design a while back but never really found the time to finish it
and the fact that it's made of slabs of aluminium
so, find the time. dig it out, dust it down
if I coul do that i'd have done it already lol
woodfiller hides many shames
32 pound for a ballnut housing. they're having a laugh
anyway thanks for the info and advice people
i'm of to bed
see ya all tomorrow
O hallo toastydeath
* frallzor cuddles with himself
"G10 L1 reloads the tool table. " Does this mean that calling G10 L1 w/o further parameters reloads the tool table, so the tool table could be modified externally and a G10 L1 before each tool change could make sure the next G43 H1 would get the new tool length of Tool1?
I love this software, easy to make nice parts for stuff
frallzor what kind of stuff?
or whatever floats ones boat
most wood floats
frallzor do you have any pictures of any woodenstuff you've made?
not more that the deer scene
got the software yesterday
youve seen it
deers in wood with pinetrees and shit
frallzor I haven't seen naything you've posted since yesterday
[21:55:36] <frallzor> http://www.pici.se/p/aBwpEvRwD/
sure you have
I never saw this
frallzor you drew that?
I bought that
wait a minute did you buy the piece or the file?
and where'd you buy it?
that narrows it down
to about 50 billion web pages
sp when you bought it how did it come? like what file format?
in vectrics own format
their model site
and you were able to convert it into g-code?
well its pretty much the purpose of those models
to be milled =)
import into the right software and voila
i wouldn't put it up in my house, but the work looks pretty interesting on that deer piece
I could see it on the mantle in an old cabin, not much more =)
morfic the deer on the right looks like he just got his ass kicked and neck broken by the deer on the left
what are they? STL? or something?
vectrics own format.....wonder what "right software" could handle that
frallzor how long did it take you to mill?
well vectrics own software can handle vectrics own formats =)
if you dont like it, get it in stl =)
2-3 choices of files
frallzor can you sell them files?
gimp can od something called bump mapping which this reminds me a lot of
I wonder if there is a way to convert a bump map into a file to mill?
like here's somebody's head bump mapped well the preview window of it at least: http://www.mahvin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ScreenShot012.png
here's something I drew and then later bumpmapped: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6636/lizemboss.jpg
is that one of those manga lizzards that rape ppl?
it looks fishy
it predates manga so I donno
I was listening to a bit too much iggy pop at tha time
its my idea of iggy iguana
four files of G-code done for my first signduty
I did a couple rough sketches of how I want ot do my Z axis nothng is jumping out at me yet though
though i feel I'm getting closer lately
so far everything starts out simple but as i connect it all it quickly gets overly complicated and I find the solutions all too inelegant
what is iggy's secret? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-j39KyobYI
he's as crazy today as he was in 1969!
was he dead back in 69 then?
pretty sure he did
I don't think so
lieast wikipedia doesn't list a date of death
was thinking about dio
heh well no one is the iggster
ah it don't rock quite as hard today I must admit
this is Iggy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuT5kMoYc1w&feature=related
I think he is still rockin' ;-) http://www.iggyandthestoogesmusic.com/
iggy inventor of the stage dive
and original crowd surfer
Hard to believe these guys can still function, let alone perform, 40 years later ....
hard to believe iggy is still kicking at all
years ago I went to go see jimmy page figuring he was going to be all washed up but he put on a hell of a show i was pretty impressed
when i went to go see chuck berry he was pretty washed up but still remembered half the worlds i guess
The Who, during the superbowl put on a great show .. I didn't think they could still pull that off
well their drummer is dead
kieth was a big part of the band
I doubt they'd have amounted ot much without him
Yep, but they still sounded good !
the stones seem to put on an OK show too but it's over produced
like they're on stage but I don't really know how much of the music they really make
Yep electronic wizardry can cover up a lot of stuff ..
that and 5 guitarists in the wings
oh, those guys ... ha ha ..
but new acts seem especially guilty of electronic trickery
Some of the released music these days is close to impossible to do live..
there's some gadget that makes people sound like they're singing in tune that lots appear to use today
I remember reading an article accusing some big names of using it
oh yeah .. I forget what that is called... very popular ... my daughters would know what that is called
yeah it has a catchy name
when i saw ZZ Top supposedly they used a lot of canned track but hey we all had fun
They use whatever they can to make things sound "right" ...
I'd like t see them. :-)
as much as people carried on about it afterwards at the time I didn't feel ripped off
they put on a pro show
now another artist I like is very technical and i hear if things aren't exactly right he'll walk off stage and if I went to a show where he did that I'd feel pretty ripped off!
which is why I'd never go to a show of his
Molly Hatchet came to town last summer to a local outdoor theatre.... the band was 2 hours late showing up so the opening bands played untill they arrived. It was a 5 hour show.. Tickets were $10 !!
Once they go there they played for 1 1/2 hours and put on a nice show... very loud though ...
yeah i wear velocity plugs
then you can actually hear what is going on
good idea ... I learned
it sounds better
and you sure feel better 3 days later
A lot of these older bands are still touring hitting the smaller theatres and they are still good ... nice to see guys older than me on stage .. ;-)
Yep, my ears were ringing for a day or so ..
yeah catching acts in small venues is the best
yup 24 hours ring is perma damage
Yep... I don't know how they can do that night after night ..
a lot speculate that rock and long hair was to hide ear plugs
I would think so ..
but I wouldn't fault anyone for wearing them
I agree .. for the small theatre they were in, they really had too much sound ..
You'd think they would use a meter to adjust their amps
I can remember seeing a local band in a small theatre when i was young and finding out afterwards that they did structural damage to the building they played in
That's crazy ...
now what that damage consisted of I never found out
maybe only a broken window I don't know
often bands will play really loud to cover up a lack of skills
Way back when I went to a Deep Purple concert in Detroit ... people where standing in front of the speakers on the stage and this was at cobo hall.. I can't believe they could hear for days after that
because at some point you really can't hear what is going on exactly
deep purple was the original decibal record holders
clocking in somewhere around 155 db
That was the unfortunate part as Molly Hatchet has a couple of really fine guitar players, no lacking of skills there
Deep Purple ... yep we were in the nose bleed section and it was still really loud ...
I guess i liked lyndard skynard back in the day but that is the extent of my southern rock enjoyment
But that was back in 74 or so ??
yeah the 70s
by the later 70s I was getting into a less classic rock and a more alternative/progresive thing
I really wish I would have seen the Allman Bros back then
yeah they're OK
but molly hatchet they're a bit too extreme in the genre for me to enjoy
I was an Allman Bros nut, but I don't think they came to Detroit much .. mostly southern tour circuit
well you could have seen the stooges
Never been an iggy fan ..
sorry ... ;-) oh well ... I gotta go .. bbl
detroit could have saw the dead boys and MC5 too I think
along with tons of cool motown