I am pretty sure my CNC has ACPI off and it definitely has SMP on.
though not in /var/run my junk is all in /var/lib or just /usr/sbin/acpid
But it pretty much ignores shutdown requests and wake-on-lan
Huh.... well better go back and check that wiki webpage as I remember making some notes on that about acpi ... the setup I have with 9.10 smp definitely sees shutdown requests ..
when i did the SMI trick on my CNC machine it messed up shutdown
hey ubuntu apparently thinks that acpi is "optional"
During testing with this 9.10 compile I could not get SMP to work without ACPI being set on... after a lot of searching I found someplace that said that on this intel 330 cpu it had to be on in order to run smp
I think RTAI and ACPI don't get on too well together
andypugh somehow that does not suprise me
>>ubuntu apparently thinks that acpi is "optional" It is.. You can switch it off and still run Ubuntu..
Dave911 I'd imagine "optional" means you don't have to install it at all
Apparently there are many different levels of ACPI.. if you look at the .config file there are about 15 entries for various things within acpi
pfred... I think that is correct
Dave911 that is what reading dpkg --status acpid leads me ot believe too
when I look in the drivers folder for 18.104.22.168 in the video folder I do find the i810
but various cpus have various needs in order to run SMP (at least that is what I recall..) very confusing ...
Bob__11brookway try locate i810
boyie that spit out a buckload didn't it?
Andy's idea of adding it as a module might make a lot of sense... still the acpi warning seems wrong...
apparently even i have the module
That link I posted earlier for the debian build seems to go into some detail about how to configure ACPI. Just about all you keep is Video. More than coincidence?
andypugh I gotta bite the bullet here and install Debian
I see it in 2.6.31-20 as well
A friend of mine has his own little Linux distro for embedded applications, that might suit EMC2
Bob__11brookway are video cards that rare where you're at?
andypugh no i meant for my desktop system
no, just dont have one on hand and this onboard one works fine as far as i can tell.
Bob__11brookway well the 50 million or so people i read from on the Internet seem to disagree with what you're telling me
Bob__11brookway but hey if it works for you then run with it!
The onboard video on my CNC machine is perfectly good (Intel MB, Intel video..)
andypugh then get Bob's to work!
I think I will try installing the i810 module tomorrow. I need to sign off now
Bob__11brookway don't just copy it build one for the kernel or symbols won't match
This seems to point to Andy's suggestion that X needs to be reconfigured .... do a search on this page for i810
Dave911 if anyone would know it'd be Intel themselves
they write the worst documentation though gawd if you ever want to fall asleep read their CPU manuals so dry ...
they must hire catatonics out of nuthouses to do all of their technical writing i swear!
I seem to have i810 modules in all of the versions I have on the machine now can I use one of those
I would think so also ...
Bob__11brookway what did I just get done telling you?
I am a hardware guy so I am stumbling my way through this linux stuff
Bob__11brookway I've only been running Linux for like 15 years now I know about kernel modules a little
Bob can you get a screen at all up with the compiled kernal?
yes, it comes up in a what it says is a degraded video mode
though there is a way to build kernels that disable version checking
Chortle! When you are on a Mac connected to a PC share, and you "Get info" on the PC share, it brings up a dialog with a picture of a typical PC screen in it. Blue, with an error message :-)
andypugh yeah and Steve jobs is the Devil incarnate
I would try running this and see what happens ............. sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ..... intel suggests doing this for some i810 problems and this ties into what Andy mentioned before also ..
If this is crap ..... someone speak up..
Dave911 yeah it'd probably build you the module you need
but that dope will just copy it from another dir and have more peoblems
i can't help but thinking to blame intel drm being built w/o KMS, which will not work with xorg in 9.10 (i booted my own KMS less kernel after upgrading to 9.[4|10], took me a little to find out why generic kernel was ok, but mine which worked before upgrade did not
lighten up pfred.... he is a linux newbie just trying to get through the weeds .... I just sent him an email with that last suggestion I made ...
morficmobile I worry about hardware DRM creeping into consumer electronics
Dave911: hard to let it go, even if i know he has your .config, the whole "it used to work, but now it doesn't" bit just sounds so familiar
pfred1: not that kind of DRM
Dave911 well after dealing with them for about 15 years now it gets old
pfred... I can understand ...
Dave911 i like Linux i work with it I don't make unreasonable demands of it
to get through linux issues you have to listen very carefully ..
you at least have ot take your brain out of neutral
to say the least .. :-)
that's why there aren't many games on the linux platform because the platform is a logic game
Does this look like a nice little mill to the rest of you? I am actually very tempted:
[00:39:04] <andypugh> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Boxford-VM30-Floor-Standing-Milling-Machine-/300420422055?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item45f273d9a7#ht_637wt_1108
andypugh you just want to singlehandedly sink your part of England into the north Atlantic don't you?
It's a baby!
The first line of this web page ...""Compiling and/or upgrading graphics drivers in Linux is a complex and error-prone task"" this fits perfectly....
andypugh when i moved i learned one thing about myself i like heavy stuff!
andypugh at one point i found myself doing a wheelie in a 17 foot box truck going down the highway with just some of my equipment in it and it dawned on me then
I'm not normally a very religious man but i was praying that whole trip!
We once did a stoppie in my dad's Bedford CF van
that mill looks a lot like an RF-45
I mena it isn't but it reminds me a lot of one
Andy ... that is a nice size mill.. wonder what it will sell for?
It's a lot more solid, and it moves only the knee, not the head
I have found them listed in dealers for £800 to £900
Are/were the Boxford machines made in the UK?
I've never seen one in the USA
yeah because really you need more rigid than most bench mills are
[00:44:49] <andypugh> http://www.lathes.co.uk/boxfordmiller/index.html
andypugh i have an RF-32 and it really can't do steel
andypugh I mean you can do it but it doesn't do it like a real mill does
pfred .. is that a rigidity problem?
Boxford are in Brighouse, the town I was brought up in. I feel a bit of a link there
I've run bridgeports and bigger and its just not the same thing
Dave911 just the heado n a bridgeport outweighs my machine
If you look at that last link, it looks pretty solid.
Dave911 but yeah the thing is chatter city unless you're super careful
I do steel on my cheap chinese mill.
andypugh oh i do too but not like its on a commercial mill
[00:47:37] <andypugh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq8egziHxVg
But yes, I nibble is compared to the Elliot Milmor in the motor club garage
I worked in a tool and die shop where we had the real things so I know the difference
we had this one mill no joke it was like 12 feet tall
thing looked like they sawed off the front of a battleship and parked it in the corner of the shop
but even a run of the mill beat to death bridgeport is way better than any of the chinese benchtop mills
Yes... but unless you have some heavy gear.. moving a bridgeport is no easy task..
Dave911 we'd move them around the shop with 2 johnson bars and 4 gjys
'my' bridgeport went for 850gbp
That little boxford weighs about 750 lbs.... a good handtruck and a couple of guys could scoot that around
The Elliot knocks spots of Bridgeport, and some of the Cincinattis I see on eBay...
Dave911 granted we scarred up the floor a bit ....
:-) I thought so ...
Aye, the Boxford is about the ideal "home" size and so likely to go for a lot of money
my mill weighs 700 pounds i move it with a cherry picker by myself
well I made a dolly for it too
I don't know.... there have been some real steals around here on mills ... mostly bridgeports.. even cnc versions ...
Dave911 play your cards right and a burnt CNC-1 should be free for the taking
half the shops didn't know what to do with the things when they worked
carigslist has all those free ones in the bay area
This looks like a bargain if you have space: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-CINCINNATI-MILACRON-VERTICAL-MILLING-MACHINES-/300302106987?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item45eb66816b#ht_503wt_882
and floor space costs money
andypugh thats the rub with equipment if grandpa thinks he can get it down the cellar stairs then it'll command a price if it looks like you can't move it you can get a deal
I've spotted several on craigslist.. If you haven't tried craiglook.com ... you should... spans multiple craigslist areas :-)
this ain't one
and what you do is hire a flatbed truck that moves cars they'll move it no sweat
yeah they got a winch & ramp
pfred1: Absolutely. My 10' long Colchester Triumph was £50. A Myford 1/10 the size goes for £1000
bring a few pipes with you and they'll use their cable winch
Moving my dad's boring machine the other weekend we borrowed a chain pull. It was _brilliant_
I have a nice chain hoist and a crappy cable comealong
but when it comes down to it i use both at times
This was a chain comealong. Previoulsy we have used Tirfors and a chain block. The lever-chain-block was a revelation.
anything over 300lbs in my workshop would live on a pallet
andypugh I know what you mean you pulled the one chain a lot and the blocks came together a little
It is more that the chain-pull expects to be at funny angles, to isn't constantly getting tangled up with itself like a normal chain block laid in the floor does.
I have one of these http://www.arizonatools.com/tools/lever-chain-hoists/detail/CM5315/
though mine isn't orange
The orange ones seem to work better
I donno mine got lifted off a union job
I saw a vid of a hong kong architect who has all the walls on rails to transform his tiny apartment. I was wondering where the machine shop was. under the bath probably
andypugh if it was Orange Ritchie probably would have had a lot harder time stealing it for me
but he was the boss so ...
MattyMatt: I have heard a rumour that some people live without a machine shop.. Clearly it is a very loose definition of "living" but apparently it is true.
we were both working for Frank McBride at the time
andypugh if by definition man is a tool making animal then they must be some sort of subhumans
Yes, that makes sense of the claim.
I've been pretty good lately I went out garage saling last weekend and all I came home with was a tapers knife and a clip on shop lite
I couldn't pass up that tapers knife though a nice Goldblatt one for 50 cents
when i mud walls i like to have the stuff
I got a nice (brand new) hand truck with inflatable tires for $20
Jymmm how does it work on stairs>
works pretty good on steps so far... http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/58/580c7fe0-fdbe-4f29-a94d-55c473398152_400.jpg
good ones have the track belt or at least skids on the back you may think about retrofitting them
That's a frig dolly, liek this... http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/6e/6e45a8a2-9bcc-4e08-a15d-1872eeb37e49_400.jpg
Those are klunky to use for smaller stuff, like boxes
though one handtruck i have has skids and regular sized wheels
I *could* use this one for moving frig, washer, dryer, etc fairly easily
I've hauled some crap up stairs with it
* Jymmm don't do stairs.
Jymmm i wanted a ranch but i just couldn't find one in a good location
Jymmm with real estate there's only three things that really matter
location location location
apr, points, and balloon payment
everything else is mutable but its hard to just up and pick up property and move it
Jymmm did yo usee the last motor driver i just built?
Sure you can... http://www.banasstones.ca/images/Banas_Quarry_01.jpg
Jymmm his property isn't moving but when you dig up land it then becomes fill
nah, just fill with water and it's a now a recreation area.
they did that behind me
I'm backedu p to a hunting preserve and teh screwballs dug their own lake
I saw it on google maps
andypugh he should have took whatever they offered him
That's the story, but there is more to it than that, as they split the carriageways there to manage the gradients
[01:26:07] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stott_Hall_Farm#Stott_Hall_Farm
andypugh I guess you get used to the road noise after a while
andypugh they built this monstrosity behind my old house: http://www.minnowasko.com/promenade.html
interesting motorway, the M62. At the time of construction it was the highest and most expensive (the underlying geology is peat bog, one rainy night they lost an excavator)
andypugh i I hadn't alreayd been planning on moving I'd have had to have burnt it to the ground a few times until the developer took the hint you know?
Looks OK to me.
andypugh the back of that thing is 32 feet off my old deck
I guess you are used to space in the US
Argh! For some reason my VNC connection has become unfeasibly slow, I am trying to work Ubuntu at 1 mouse-click-per-minute....
What's the path to the trash? I have an ssh window too
I deleted a file due to getting my 1 minute clicks out of phase. I have spent the last 15 minutes trying to get it back
I got no idea where the heck these files are
I have no pitty on you, when you can jsut get your ass up and walk to the shop/garage =)
Stop laughing Jymmm , it's 3am here
What, your garage has a time limit ?
can someone explain 'end of move in home state 5'?
really I'm used to you delete it its gone forever
this concept if I delete it and it hangs out is sort of new to me
atmega: It means while homing it moved futher than the axis length is specified in the INI
My garage keyboard is horrible, and the trackball buttons are above the ball, it's a horrible place to try to write code
hmm.. thank you.
andypugh digging up that filename was actually the first time I ever opened up the trash applet
alias rm 'rm -f'
Anyway, time to sleep. The remaining issues can wait
andypugh thats the gold one you have right?
a half a pound of metal chips in it can't help him much I can't imagine!
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does someone knows if is there a way to change the gcode loaded by Axis at startup ?
morning, yes i seem to recall its called axis.ngc u can change it in config file, just looking for the right file
In DISPLAY section in ini file:
OPEN_FILE = /full/path/to/file.ngc
pjm, ok, but there is no "OPEN_FILE" line in my ini file, I will try adding one
yes thats it
under the display section
pjm, : ok, works fine !
thanks a lot !
[09:28:15] <EbiDK> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/04/open_source_satellites_at_machine_p.html
[10:28:30] <bricofoy> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xd4d6v_premier-essai-de-masticage_tech
first (working ) try of my gluing machine :)
hi, I am building a 3-axis CNC machine and I was wondering if anyone could recommend a cheap DC motor controller (for the spindle) that works well with EMC?
cheap and "works well" usually are not compatible :)
hi ho hi ho it's off to work I go
yea! the oil tank is out for delivery
DC and spindle is also an unusual combo
night JT-Work lol its 11:30 here lol
does so knows of latency problems with Matrox G400 video card ?
I'm pretty sure I'm using some of those, and they work fine. You'll want to use software rendering I think.
On the system I use, P4 1.5GHz, 512Mo I got more than 220 000ns max jitter on servo-thread
so even with the higer time possible set in stepconf, I still get latency errors
yeah, that's not good, you've got a problem
did doing any particular thing cause it?
just lauching some flash on firefox, for instance
but odd things, like opening g-code reference manual on pdf give the same result...
I use experimental packages for karmic, on a xubuntu system
well in fact there is just some moments the jitter time increases this way, usually it is about 13 500ns
did you install libgl1-mesa-swx11?
but I can't fugure out what causes the increase
ok, I had libgl1-mesa-glx installed
I switched to the good one
swx11, as you said
but I see this one is pure software rendering, will not it be slower than the glx one ?
glx uses the hardware for rendering, so may be faster, no ?
yes definitely. but slow and usable is much better than fast and unusable
and for emc, software rendering is plenty fast enough. it's not like it's a video game.
anyway, see if it fixes your latency problem.
okay, so the delay I got can come from the graphic hardware ?
software can be interrupted, hardware driver may disable interrupts
ok, I was wondering why this. thanks
seems to work quite good now
my latency time still keep under 26 000 ns even with glxgears running fullscreen, so I assume this is ok ?
yes that's fine
great ! thanks !
[14:51:52] <MattyMatt> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Single-Phase-Pantograph-Milling-Machine-/290426927185
expensive, but the spindle + bed clamp look nice
cradek saying * is enough is a trap in computers :)
what is a '2nd operation lathe'?
atmega: often that means no leadscrews
they're usually manually operated by levers, sometimes have a turret, used for little stuff like final chamfering or cutoff
[14:59:53] <atmega> http://raleigh.craigslist.org/tls/1715952087.html
bricofoy, i use a G400 in a P3 750Mhz system and found this to work for me
1st I set Bios to 'safe' or 'defaults' and made sure EMC2 ran
( ignore any 'unexpected realtime delay errors' for now.
Next, in BIOS, turn EVERYTHING OFF that can be turned off,
only enable things that prove to stop booting or video.
recheck latency and this will be your best result.
optional: re-enable BIOS elements one by one till latency suffers
^^ worked for me on a set 0f 8 different machines
atmega: worth a look if you're close, I bet
atmega: if just the 3 jaw chuck is good, it's probably worth the $250 because the taper mount is kind of rare
not too far away, but I have no way to haul it at the moment.
my g400 wouldn't run at AGP 4x in a supposedly 4x mobo. I had to turn down to 2x
mine was in a pci slot
neat, so you can still use it
also didnt see advantage of nv over vesa in latency tests
there won't be. nv does all 2d accel with 3d hardware
matrox does 3d accel with 2d hardware :) that's why they lost
it was good GL tho, if not the fastest. the hardware worked more like the software equivalent
I got them to send me the driver writer's docs once. I wish I still had those
tom3p, I will try wath you suggest
sorry, on other boxes with cheap nvidia cards, nv driver was as trouble free as vesa driver ( and better rez )
in fact I had a nvidia card in this machine
but switched to the old G400 I have because of the latency problems
did the G400 make latency better? or libgl1-mesa-swx11 ?
with the G400, latency was not really better, but at least rtai kernels boots all the time. with the nvidia card, I often got black screen and pc frozen just after grun loads the kernel.
and mesa-swx11 seems to have solved the latency problem :)
great, i'll go back and check which gl is on these
I have encoders on my axis stepper motors and want to use them as a DRO as well as to stop the machine if there are errors. I found some stuff by a user JLMJVM who had done this a couple years back. I can't find his .hal and .ini files though. Does anyone have any pointers to these?
UPS FUCKED UP
what's new with that?
they only held 2 of my 4 newegg packages, and they put the wrong inventory status sticker on it
and one box they held maybe went back to newegg
kbbl maybe pick up the rest of my stuff
What does DTG(X,Y,Z) stand for in the AXIS DRO screen?
distance to go?
Ah, yes that makes sense, thx
Axis displays XYZ position in the preview and DRO displays. This value changes regardless of whether or not I have my encoders plugged in. Should it read the value from the encoders?
AXIS can display either commanded or feedback position in the DRO.
where feedback position comes from is a matter of how you hook it up in HAL
what do I need to hook to what to have it display encoder feedback?
I have (for X) hm2_7i43.0.encoder.00.position (I guess that is the thing, yes?) and should point that at what?
I just had an AHA moment!
pointed ypos-fb => axis.1.motor-pos-fb <= hm2_7i43.0.encoder.01.position and all is good
sweet - just like I was suggesting you make
heh - now I have to do octal instead...
was it for a different control? yours surely didn't have all that stuff?
is there a signal you can hook to a input pin to externally toggle Machine Power On in axis?
no - I think the card was a bit newer... :)
but it came with the machine
(when we got it)
lucid was just released
on the back it says k&t
12:24 <@slangasek> everyone give a warm welcome to our favorite cat, the 10.04 LTS
12:24 <@slangasek> Lucid is here
atmega: you can connect to halui machine-on
G86 is really boring
alex_joni: thank you. Is there a list of those somewhere?
doesn't seem to be in the integrators manual or HAL manual
nevermind, found it... machine.on instead of machine-on
alex_joni: use G82 insted
net parport.0.pin-13-in => halui.machine.on ?
77777octal lets you have a lot of tools! 32767
we have probably a few hundred.. but they would be easy to create though...
skunkworks_: all indirect mashine access
are they in a chain
[17:56:15] <sealive> http://www.miksch.de/image.php?nodeid=2214
* MattyMatt posts that pic in #reprap
* skunkworks_ wishes he would post them here.
i need a ball nose end mill where the ball is larger then the shaft
for making a undercut hole
i've never seen one, but surely they must exist?
grinding tools for sure
[19:20:55] <DaViruz> http://daviruz.meeep.net/adi/adapter.jpg
but for milling I haven't seen that
the wide hole on the other side is wider than the round hole
you could make a jig to hold that part upside down for a 2nd op
wtf 2.6gb to download...
heh - dvd, baby
i wonder if i could make that part on a lathe..
with spindle synchronized motion
and a boring tool with large clearance
seems the dvd torrent is the way to go
DaViruz: one with round inserts
never seen one that can cut on the top
if yoyu know of one i would be thrilled :)
woohoo dloaded lucid & md5sum'd ok
awallin, need the dvd? else wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso
awallin: here it is only 699MB
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[21:01:30] <DaViruz> http://piclair.com/tublu
turned out pretty well
DaViruz: very nice!
DaViruz: very nice what did you engrave it with?
i didn't do it, a friend with a cnc router
i believe he called it a paralell engraving cutter
pretty tiny thing, 0.3mm diameter
(the tool that is)
Ok, I have some of those single flute engravers
i really like this engraving laminate stuff :)
what is the material?
and what did you generate the paths with?
atmega: the material is http://www.cnc-plus.de/Materials/Engraving-Material/
atmega: the layout was made in qcad, and the toolpaths were generated by vectric cut2D
[22:22:41] <Valen> http://senorgif.com/2010/03/11/funny-animated-gifs-this-seems-accurate-3/
hey guys, is this a good computer candidate? http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/sys/1715597698.html
cradek: is there a way to keep G98 from affecting the retract plane during the pecking, and only have it retract to R regardless? G98 is great to jump over clamps, but to rapid up to initial Z adds up quick over a thousand holes
Hyperthreading would need to be disable right?
how's your i810 coming along?
You meen the d510 card with the missing module?
I am booting moblin on it at the moment
Still have not gotten the i810 module to install in with a build following Dave911 instructions.
I thought that the VB default "pass by reference" before I found out how complicated the C "pass by value" makes things.
(That sentence lacks the clause "was stupid")
i won't judge, i'm "Mr. Half Sentence" myself :/
All these pointers and dereferenced pointers and whatever "->" means make my head hurt.