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[00:00:28] <pfred1> andypugh that drill vise you ever notice how as you tighten work in it the work moves?
[00:01:09] <pfred1> it drove me nuts how work would never be square to the fixed jaw
[00:01:35] <pfred1> least on all the drill vises i have it always cocks up as yo utighten it down
[00:01:40] <andypugh> I always end up touching-off to the moving end, so haven't noticed
[00:01:59] <pfred1> andypugh well I'd notice indicating vises to my mill table
[00:02:23] <pfred1> the more I tightened the pice I was indicating the more I'd see movement on an indicator
[00:02:26] <andypugh> And I did replace the keeper plate with 1/4" cast iron, then blued-and scraped that to the underside of the vice...
[00:02:55] <pfred1> try it snug a piece up with an indicator on it its screwy
[00:03:20] <pfred1> all I'm saying is it has been an issue with me doing some stuff
[00:03:22] <andypugh> It cost £10, I can't be too critical.
[00:03:36] <andypugh> I have a couple of better ones, but they don't have the capacity.
[00:04:45] <pfred1> the round stock trick can help though
[00:05:43] <pfred1> you know put a big piece of round stock on he movable jaw side when you tighten?
[00:06:00] <andypugh> I just tend to tighten it then whack the work down with a hammer ;-)
[00:07:18] <andypugh> I am used to working with tired old machines and tooling, I tend to make all dependent cuts at the same set-up
[00:07:42] <pfred1> for me its a challenge just to make stock square
[00:08:07] <andypugh> I tend to square stuff up in the 4-jaw chuck on the lathe.
[00:09:16] <andypugh> (Stuff that will fit in the 4-jaw chuck, anyway)
[00:10:09] <pfred1> when i made this I got fussy with some parts being square:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1184/headstock.jpg
[00:10:53] <andypugh> If you look at
http://picasaweb.google.com/bodgesoc/Gibbs#5403345449585651218 you can see that's how I squared-up the ball-nut mount.
[00:12:31] <pfred1> one of these days I'll get a decent lathe i could use one
[00:12:57] <andypugh> Yeah, I can see that being non-ideal for squaring up blocks of meta.
[00:13:22] <andypugh> Did you buy that one, or make it?
[00:13:32] <frallzor> todays doings:
http://vimeo.com/10139114
[00:13:42] <pfred1> andypugh I madei t out of all structural steel
[00:13:46] <andypugh> (I ask mainly to judge how rude I can be about it)
[00:13:49] <pfred1> you know angle channel
[00:14:14] <pfred1> hot rolled
[00:14:40] <pfred1> I learned the legs on hot rolled 3" C channel aren't exactly perpendicular to anything
[00:14:59] <pfred1> evne though they look like they are
[00:15:27] <andypugh> Considering how they are made it is perhaps surprising that they are even close.
[00:15:37] <pfred1> andypugh you can say what you want to it works
[00:16:02] <andypugh> I am a little concerned about the thrust capacity of your headstock bearings.
[00:16:19] <clytle374> One of the most important realizations to a machinist is "nothing it square." Only is it good enough
[00:16:25] <pfred1> yeah i need a bigger spindle i know it was what I had laying around
[00:17:05] <pfred1> clytle374 if its withn a thousandth or so it's square to me!
[00:17:17] <VernonM> clytle, shhh, that's what tolerances are for :)
[00:18:15] <andypugh> We dismantled and threw into the back of the storage heap my dad's woodworking lathe a few months back. It was a conversion to woodworking of a metal lathe previously converted to Cam-milling for the Phelon and Moore motorcycle company.
[00:18:17] <pfred1> andypugh how i got thread on that spindle was something else it was hard to get it concentric without a real lathe to do it on it took me 3 tries to get it pretty good
[00:18:49] <archivist> P&M !!! a real relic
[00:20:53] <andypugh> Indeed. That's why it went on the storage heap, not the scrap.
[00:21:39] <alex_joni> g'night all
[00:26:52] <andypugh> Anyway, time to bring to a close a singularly unsuccesful day.
[00:26:58] <andypugh> Night chaps.
[00:33:51] <VernonM> thanks all, for the help. I've founf a 74HC14 in my parts bin, so Im off to make a duplicate encoder :)
[00:37:07] <pfred1> VernonM good luck
[00:40:51] <JT-Hardinge> in a G76 what parameter is the length of the thread?
[00:41:57] <JT-Hardinge> nevermind, I understand now :)
[00:42:55] <JT-Hardinge> hmm, must not be getting a spindle synchronization...
[00:46:13] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[00:54:34] <VernonM> thanks, Pfredl
[01:02:16] <JT-Hardinge> hmm, I don't see motion.spindle-index-enable come on and it just sits at the start of the threads
[01:03:55] <JT-Hardinge> dang that jerky seasoning on my fingers smells good
[01:09:31] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge I know this is IRC but please don't share with the jerkey seasoning on your fingers!
[01:12:00] <Danimal-office> are you making chips yet?
[01:13:47] <JT-Hardinge> no, dan just trying to get the threading thingy to work
[01:14:24] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge heads in to strap on the feed bag
[01:14:51] <pfred1> yeah I think I'm going to do the same here I got my mock up completed
[01:14:53] <JT-Hardinge> Danimal-office: close my friend
[01:15:08] <Danimal-office> nice!
[01:15:46] <pfred1> its so sexy!
[01:18:08] <Danimal-office> i think the economy has been picking up.
[01:18:28] <pfred1> Danimal-office its been picking up for years
[01:18:34] <pfred1> Danimal-office and moving to China!
[01:18:51] <Danimal-office> i've been selling alot of titanium chainrings and cogs lately.
[01:19:01] <Danimal-office> more than aluminum
[01:19:15] <pfred1> well it is getting on to being bicycling season now
[01:19:38] <Danimal-office> there is no slow season for biking.
[01:19:52] <Danimal-office> dont forget the southern hemisphere
[01:19:53] <clytle374> there is here.
[01:19:56] <pfred1> I don't like to bike in the cold
[01:20:02] <clytle374> more like the non biking season
[01:20:20] <Danimal-office> we arent the only country that rides bikes
[01:20:43] <pfred1> we are half of the worlds economy though
[01:20:50] <Danimal-office> and lots of bike nuts work on their stuff in the winter
[01:21:10] <pfred1> not me i park mine in my leanto
[01:21:12] <Danimal-office> ehh, i've sold just as much stuff overseas than in the US
[01:21:29] <clytle374> that's good
[01:21:43] <Danimal-office> the british and austrailians are big spenders when it comes to bike stuff
[01:22:21] <pfred1> I got an old Nishiki frame I salvaged from the dumps I want to build up
[01:22:35] <Danimal-office> single speed it!
[01:23:05] <pfred1> nah i have an old sugino aero mighty crankset I want to use on it
[01:23:08] <clytle374> can we work for you when we get outsourced?
[01:23:21] <Danimal-office> lol
[01:23:30] <Danimal-office> no, it's a one man operation
[01:23:51] <pfred1> I got into a bicycling accident years ago and didn't realize at the time how much damage I did to that bike
[01:24:12] <pfred1> so I have all the parts off it except for a few
[01:24:20] <Danimal-office> single speed it. dont be a wuss lol
[01:24:21] <pfred1> the few that got bent
[01:24:37] <pfred1> I'm 45 i can be as big a wuss as I want biking now
[01:24:46] <Danimal-office> lol
[01:24:58] <pfred1> hey when I was young i was superman on a bike
[01:25:21] <pfred1> I didn't know it at the time but I sure as hell can't ride like that today
[01:25:52] <pfred1> but when i got into that accident I didn't get back onto a bicycle for years
[01:26:06] <Danimal-office> what happened?
[01:26:18] <pfred1> some guy made a left hand turn and i hit him
[01:26:25] <Danimal-office> ouch
[01:26:32] <pfred1> I did a somersault over his hood
[01:26:37] <Danimal-office> a tree did that to me a few times
[01:26:47] <pfred1> and bent my bike when I hit the curb in 3 different places
[01:27:12] <pfred1> yeah i was pretty damned dazed after it I didn't realize how much I'd messed up my bike
[01:27:29] <Danimal-office> yea i bed
[01:27:31] <Danimal-office> bet*
[01:27:48] <pfred1> it was funny I looked at the curb to see if I'd cracked it with my skull or not
[01:28:00] <pfred1> * pfred1 is part German ...
[01:28:12] <Danimal-office> lol
[01:28:35] <pfred1> I wish I had video of that accident I'd be like one of America's stupidest people today or something
[01:28:49] <pfred1> I must have looked like ET when i was flying
[01:29:08] <pfred1> I did a total rotation over his hood I can't imagine what he was thinking
[01:29:21] <pfred1> like oh my god i just killed a kid my life is over
[01:29:48] <Danimal-office> i did something similar on my motorcycle... some lady pulled out in front of me when i was doing about 45-50mph
[01:29:57] <clytle374> ouch
[01:30:02] <pfred1> oh i was hauling ass I always did back then
[01:30:18] <pfred1> I mean I must have been moving to have flown the way I did
[01:30:21] <numne> numne is now known as numen
[01:30:26] <Danimal-office> it was at the crest of the steepest hill in town.... the 2 cops across the street who saw it said i flew as high as the power lines
[01:30:43] <Danimal-office> the farther i flew, the higher i was off the ground
[01:30:48] <Danimal-office> because of the hill
[01:30:54] <pfred1> when we used to go to the GP motocross races they'd jump that high
[01:31:03] <clytle374> did the hill help out on the landing?
[01:31:19] <Danimal-office> i landed on my ass, i had a bruise the shape of my wallet
[01:31:34] <Danimal-office> clytle374, it must have, i didnt really get hurt
[01:32:02] <clytle374> thought so, people don't usually take falls like that without gear
[01:32:03] <Danimal-office> i spun her car almost all the way around and up an enbankment. it almost flipped
[01:32:09] <pfred1> I wasted my rear chainstays my front forks and my front rim when I had my assicent
[01:32:21] <Danimal-office> it was a chrysler new yorker
[01:33:03] <Danimal-office> clytle374, I was wearing leathers and a full face helmet
[01:33:29] <clytle374> That helps quite a bit, but still lots of you unprotected.
[01:33:32] <pfred1> how does a helmet help you when you land on your ass?
[01:33:57] <Danimal-office> pfred1, do you think you sit still when you hit a car going 50?
[01:34:10] <Danimal-office> i tumbled a bit when i landed.
[01:34:40] <Danimal-office> took one of my boots off, it was at the bottom of the hill, along with my battery
[01:34:42] <clytle374> I got high sided at 60 about 7 years ago, got some good height on that one.
[01:34:43] <pfred1> I was probably doing about 25 and I was in toeclips and I held onto the handlebars too
[01:35:21] <Danimal-office> i launched...
[01:35:35] <Danimal-office> i saw the cops running towards me when i was flying through the air
[01:35:37] <pfred1> I did too i mean I somersaulted over the guys hood!
[01:35:41] <Danimal-office> it was kinda freaky
[01:35:54] <pfred1> me and the bike
[01:35:58] <clytle374> near death usually is
[01:36:01] <pfred1> nothing but air
[01:36:36] <pfred1> if I'd have stuck the landing better it'd have looked like I knew what I was doing or something
[01:36:36] <Danimal-office> clytle374, all i got was a little bone chip in my wrist, and i was sore for a week or so. i didnt even get knocked out
[01:37:43] <pfred1> but then I got a mountain bike out of the dumps and fixed it up years alter and started riding it
[01:38:11] <pfred1> then i was at a garage sale and some guy was selling a really nice Teek touring bike so I bought that
[01:38:15] <clytle374> My biggest injuries came when the bike caught me.
[01:38:42] <clytle374> Luckily a gsxr1000 isn't a heavy bike
[01:40:35] <pfred1> clytle374 bullets aren't heavy either but they can do some damage when they hit you
[01:40:41] <Danimal-office> 400lbs can do some damage
[01:41:38] <clytle374> I crawled away
[01:41:42] <pfred1> some of the stupid stuff that has happened to me has convinced me that we really do die when its our time and not before hand
[01:42:05] <clytle374> then, and only then
[01:42:37] <pfred1> I seen the damnest stuff kill people too
[01:43:29] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge wonders how I can check my index pulse on the spindle to see if it works
[01:44:09] <clytle374> can you look at it in halscope?
[01:44:22] <pfred1> thats what I was wondering but I don't know anything about it
[01:44:31] <Danimal-office> JT-Hardinge, how about hooking it to a latch relay in ladder or something, and hooking that to an pyvcp led?
[01:45:06] <clytle374> what are these pyvcp leds? I don't remember them in the manuals
[01:45:42] <Danimal-office> it's a fake led on the axis gui that you can hook up to pins
[01:46:00] <Danimal-office> look in the pyvcp section of the integrators manual
[01:46:11] <clytle374> cool, thanks
[01:46:19] <pfred1> Danimal-office but if you had an LED screen it'd be a real LED!
[01:46:33] <Danimal-office> pfred1, touche!
[01:46:44] <JT-Hardinge> Dan I'll give that a shot
[01:47:27] <Danimal-office> JT-Hardinge, not sure if it'd be too fast for ladder to register, but i wouldnt think so
[01:47:41] <pfred1> I either buy a parallel port board or i build up a whole other junk PC here to test out my port buffer board on
[01:47:43] <Danimal-office> just spin the spindle really slow by hand maybe
[01:48:33] <pfred1> because i sure as heck ain't testing my project out on the PC I want to use for EMC
[01:49:02] <Danimal-office> a singlespeeder would.
[01:49:27] <Danimal-office> :)
[01:49:50] <pfred1> Danimal-office I would but I don't like my beer watered down
[01:50:11] <pfred1> from crying into it!
[01:50:17] <Danimal-office> haha
[01:50:27] <Danimal-office> is it a nice pc?
[01:50:40] <pfred1> its as nice as i have to throw at EMC right now
[01:51:10] <Danimal-office> i think the pc in my mill i got out of the dump
[01:51:26] <pfred1> if i buy a parallel port card I cna always use it for more inputs and outputs if I don't burn it out
[01:51:37] <pfred1> oh this is a dumps find
[01:51:37] <Danimal-office> there ya go!
[01:52:09] <pfred1> but i don't find too many P3 1 GHz systems
[01:52:26] <Danimal-office> yea, the one i'm using is an asus mobo with 1 gig of ram and a amd athlon xp2800 processor
[01:52:41] <pfred1> your dumps are better than mine
[01:52:49] <Danimal-office> the one i just replaced in my mill was a 1.4ghz p3
[01:54:18] <pfred1> I ran one of my motors in the stepperconf axis test and it seemed to run it as well as it was going to run
[01:54:28] <Danimal-office> pictures of the bike i wrecked:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/IM000267.jpg
[01:54:31] <JT-Hardinge> hmm, I can set the spindle index enable signal to true and spin the spindle and it goes false showing the index works.... so what did I miss
[01:54:47] <Danimal-office> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/IM000265.jpg
[01:55:00] <JT-Hardinge> Dan, did that leave a mark?
[01:55:13] <Danimal-office> no, just made me stupid
[01:55:35] <pfred1> Danimal-office you know what they say:
http://thatwillbuffout.com/
[01:55:43] <Danimal-office> lol
[01:56:00] <Danimal-office> used to be a kawasaki zx600r
[01:56:09] <pfred1> Danimal-office don't go ther eits even more addictive than peopleofwalmart
[01:56:20] <Danimal-office> i didnt
[01:56:34] <skunkworks> logger_emc: bookmark
[01:56:34] <skunkworks> Just this once .. here's the log:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2010-03-14.txt
[01:56:59] <JT-Hardinge> I had a KZ-1000 that the counter shaft sprocket came off and locked up the rear wheel doing about 80mph that was a fun ride
[01:57:01] <Danimal-office> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/101635.gif
[01:57:15] <Danimal-office> ouch!
[01:57:21] <skunkworks> Can you view the values of floats in ladder?
[01:57:30] <JT-Hardinge> yea
[01:57:57] <Danimal-office> skunkworks, i think there's an s32 to float converter or something... maybe the other way around
[01:57:58] <Jymmm> JT-Hardinge: I thoght that's how you always ride... probably slowed your as down from 140MPH
[01:58:05] <Jymmm> s/as/ass/
[01:58:25] <JT-Hardinge> the KZ would not do 140mph as I recall
[01:58:32] <Danimal-office> s/jymmm/ass
[01:58:44] <Jymmm> JT-Hardinge: Yeah, cause no sproket =)
[01:59:01] <JT-Hardinge> skunkworks vars button twice then type in the one you wish to monitor
[01:59:09] <JT-Hardinge> I think :/
[01:59:10] <Jymmm> JT-Hardinge: Didn't you take the full dress up to 150 iirc?
[01:59:28] <JT-Hardinge> I don't ride hogs
[01:59:41] <skunkworks> oh - duh
[01:59:45] <JT-Hardinge> the blue wing will go 140mph tops
[01:59:51] <skunkworks> JT-Hardinge: yes - that is it.
[01:59:55] <JT-Hardinge> UP HILL
[01:59:56] <Danimal-office> chicken strips!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/tirepr.jpg
[01:59:57] <Jymmm> JT-Hardinge: pegged the nedle?
[02:00:02] <Jymmm> needle
[02:00:13] <pfred1> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0313/Daylight-Saving-Time-Remind-me-again-why-we-spring-forward
[02:00:27] <Jymmm> pfred1: Ben Franklin
[02:00:43] <pfred1> Jymmm but he got everything wrong!
[02:01:14] <Danimal-office> my favorite bike i had:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/954good.jpg
[02:01:20] <JT-Hardinge> Jymmm: the Blue Wing will go from 0 -140mph faster than you can write the check for the ticket once you get out of jail
[02:01:47] <Jymmm> JT-Hardinge: you can't out run a motorola =)
[02:01:48] <JT-Hardinge> Dan is a pocket rocket junkie
[02:02:08] <Jymmm> I dont care for crotch rockets
[02:02:12] <JT-Hardinge> Jymmm: sometimes
[02:02:25] <Jymmm> JT-Hardinge: But you can jam one =)
[02:02:48] <Danimal-office> Jymmm, is this you?:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/linkinpark.jpg
[02:03:25] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge laughs at Danimal-office
[02:03:52] <Danimal-office> JT-Hardinge, the dyno sheet from my 954rr:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/dyno.jpg
[02:04:26] <Danimal-office> 142.5rwhp
[02:04:44] <Danimal-office> 71.9ftlbs of torque
[02:04:55] <Danimal-office> not too bad for a 370lb bike
[02:05:07] <JT-Hardinge> nice
[02:05:09] <Danimal-office> of course they're a bit faster now i guess
[02:05:17] <JT-Hardinge> mine is close to 800lbs
[02:05:41] <Danimal-office> they're still fast though! i've ran with a few gold wings
[02:05:45] <JT-Hardinge> this is me
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/hunting/P1010063.jpg
[02:06:02] <JT-Hardinge> the 1800 is real fast
[02:06:13] <Danimal-office> nice, did that deer make it into some jerkey?
[02:06:27] <JT-Hardinge> yep'
[02:06:29] <Danimal-office> lol
[02:06:49] <JT-Hardinge> ok, index enable seems to work
[02:07:06] <Danimal-office> my 954 would stand up doing 90-117 in second gear just by rolling on the throttle slowly
[02:07:11] <JT-Hardinge> what is the confusion I wonder :?
[02:07:17] <Danimal-office> (i hate wheelies)
[02:07:25] <Danimal-office> what is it connected to?
[02:07:56] <JT-Hardinge> everything it is supposed to be I think
[02:08:29] <JT-Hardinge> wheelies was my favorite thing till I busted a gear in my Honda 300 Dream!
[02:08:39] <Danimal-office> cant you just copy the configurations of the x and z axis, but replace the axis with the spindle?
[02:09:01] <Danimal-office> JT-Hardinge, it freaks me out. i like both wheels on the ground
[02:09:25] <pfred1> Danimal-office I don't even like convertables
[02:09:34] <JT-Hardinge> I used to ride my 10 speed around the block on one wheel but not any more :)
[02:09:44] <Danimal-office> lol i drive a convertable
[02:10:06] <pfred1> motorized I'm into the whole capsule experience
[02:10:08] <JT-Hardinge> last time I tried that with a stunt bike I busted my ass
[02:10:38] <JT-Hardinge> at that point I removed wheelie from my vocabulary
[02:11:21] <pfred1> OK I got something done today I'm out
[02:11:31] <Danimal-office> haha, my puppy stoned out of her mind after getting spayed:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/DSCN0796.jpg
[02:13:05] <Danimal-office> my other dog:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/DSCN0646.jpg
[02:13:58] <Danimal-office> together:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/DSCN0649.jpg
[02:14:22] <Danimal-office> sorry, i'm looking through my photobucket
[02:15:03] <JT-Hardinge> my load meter works
[02:15:19] <Danimal-office> cool
[02:15:38] <JT-Hardinge> I need to figure out what the problem is with threading
[02:15:40] <Danimal-office> i dont have one
[02:15:51] <JT-Hardinge> I'm just missing something I'm sure
[02:16:11] <Danimal-office> using all the proper g codes?
[02:16:16] <JT-Hardinge> yea
[02:16:29] <Danimal-office> maybe try one of the examples?
[02:16:31] <clytle374> Just hangs out waiting for the thread start?
[02:16:32] <JT-Hardinge> using the g76.ngc example
[02:16:36] <JT-Hardinge> yea
[02:16:51] <JT-Hardinge> like it don't get the index or something
[02:17:36] <Danimal-office> did you look at some lathe sample configs to see if they're the same for the spindle index?
[02:17:52] <JT-Hardinge> yea and the manual too
[02:18:38] <JT-Hardinge> I can see motion.spindle-index-enable flash on at the start of the thread
[02:18:56] <Danimal-office> is the spindle spinnding when it's just sitting there?
[02:19:02] <JT-Hardinge> yea
[02:19:26] <JT-Hardinge> spindle-at-speed is on...
[02:20:18] <Danimal-office> it's not spinning too fast for the axis to keep up, is it?
[02:20:27] <JT-Hardinge> 800 rpm
[02:20:36] <Danimal-office> how many tpi?
[02:20:39] <JT-Hardinge> with a 5i20 :)
[02:20:44] <JT-Hardinge> 20
[02:21:22] <Danimal-office> so it should be going 40ipm, right?
[02:21:39] <JT-Hardinge> I guess
[02:31:33] <izua> izua is now known as izua|blueballs
[02:31:44] <izua|blueballs> izua|blueballs is now known as izua
[02:31:47] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge gives up for the night
[02:36:30] <Danimal-office> bummer
[02:36:40] <Danimal-office> cradek probably knows what's wrong
[02:37:22] <Danimal-office> JT-Hardinge, is your encoder scale in the correct direction?
[02:37:38] <Danimal-office> positive or negative
[02:37:50] <Danimal-office> maybe it thinks it's going backwards?
[02:39:17] <clytle374> It's only an index, right? If so, how do you get a direction?
[02:39:32] <Danimal-office> it's got an encoder on it
[02:39:42] <Danimal-office> a,b, and index
[02:39:55] <Danimal-office> i think
[02:40:07] <Danimal-office> no other way to do threading as far as i know
[02:40:38] <Danimal-office> if it thinks it's spinning backwards, it wont thread
[02:40:44] <clytle374> I was wondering that.
[02:42:04] <clytle374> maybe it isn't getting the a or b signals.
[02:42:19] <Danimal-office> or they're reversed
[02:43:22] <Danimal-office> but he says it says it's at speed
[02:43:30] <clytle374> off to bed, good night
[02:43:36] <Danimal-office> goodnight!
[03:58:44] <elmo40> oh, the irony...
http://thatwillbuffout.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/1291047999810824741.jpg
[04:15:02] <Danimal-office> hahaha
[04:15:51] <Danimal-office> it's almost worth doing that for the picture
[04:16:32] <elmo40> ho-lee-fcuk!
http://thatwillbuffout.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/129108407645285806.jpg
[04:16:40] <elmo40> this is insane! :P
[04:17:29] <Danimal-office> lol
[04:45:26] <elmo40> ha ha ha! such irony:
http://thatwillbuffout.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/nothingtolulzat-michaelthezombie1.jpg
[04:45:30] <elmo40> anyways...
[05:02:35] <atmega> any suggestions for something to mount drivers/PS/breakout in?
[05:04:32] <Danimal-office> metal electrical enclosure?
[05:04:50] <Danimal-office> like a hoffman enclosure?
[05:05:07] <Danimal-office> you can get used ones cheap from electrical surplus yards
[05:05:09] <atmega> hmm... I forgot to mention 'inexpensive' above
[05:05:28] <Danimal-office> i paid $20 for mine
[05:05:32] <atmega> never heard of an electrical surplus yard
[05:05:52] <Danimal-office> they're around
[05:06:07] <atmega> I guess... but not around here.
[05:06:18] <Danimal-office> electrical recycling yards maybe
[05:06:25] <Danimal-office> or ebay
[05:06:59] <elmo40> atmega: where is 'here' ?
[05:07:04] <atmega> overkill for this probably, it's a table-top router
[05:07:21] <atmega> elmo: wilmington, nc Pop: about 70k?
[05:08:23] <Danimal-office> shoe box?
[05:08:50] <atmega> sitting in a plastic shoe sized box now.
[05:09:00] <Danimal-office> so you're ahead of me
[05:09:03] <atmega> wiring is less than attractive.
[05:09:25] <Danimal-office> i stick to women for that reason
[05:10:03] <Danimal-office> how about a computer enclosure?
[05:10:48] <atmega> excellent idea. think I have a dead shuttle in the closet
[05:11:01] <atmega> but, I think it just needs a PS
[05:11:45] <atmega> wonder if they would fit in the emc box I'm using
[05:12:27] <Danimal-office> buy a $30 case with a power supply in it, and take the worst of the 2 cases for the machine, and use the power supply to fix the pc in the closet
[05:13:13] <Danimal-office> half the time you can buy a case with a power supply in it for the same cost as just the power supply
[05:13:32] <atmega> the shuttle is a tiny box with a miniature PS
[05:13:53] <Danimal-office> good for a tiny machine!
[05:14:04] <atmega> nice form-factor for this though.
[05:16:03] <Danimal-office> i cant tell if my dogs are playing or not. they look like they're killing eachother then they stop and lick eachother's faces
[05:16:12] <Danimal-office> weirdos
[05:20:37] <elmo40> atmega: just wire-loom everything :P
[05:21:05] <atmega> I just want to keep crud off the drives mainly
[05:21:36] <elmo40> margerine containers and duct tape...
[05:30:18] <Danimal-office> lol
[05:30:36] <Danimal-office> well thats a step up from my shoe box idea
[05:31:29] <elmo40> it would work :P
[05:31:37] <elmo40> small machines dont need to be fancy ;)
[05:31:39] <elmo40> http://www.ichmo.com/Products/info/id/31/pid/26/l/en/H862(0_9degree)86mm-2/4_phase_/.html
[05:31:43] <elmo40> good specs?
[05:33:43] <Danimal-office> i wouldnt know, i just used what came on my machines
[05:34:19] <elmo40> i dont know the price, though
[05:34:34] <Danimal-office> are they chineese?
[05:34:40] <elmo40> any N. American motor manufacturers anymore?? all i can find are corean, japanese, chinese... and the likes.
[05:34:59] <elmo40> and the odd European stuff, which i bet are also made in china
[05:35:03] <Danimal-office> superior electric?
[05:35:07] <tom3p> where's yoyoek? i just got mgcodegenerator to give me output thats the size i wanted :)
[05:36:48] <tom3p> baldor is usa, ft atkinson arkansas ?
[05:37:17] <Danimal-office> superior electric is USA
[05:37:40] <Danimal-office> used to be in my hometown, then they moved south
[05:37:58] <Danimal-office> i have superior electric motors on my mill
[05:38:14] <Danimal-office> nema 43's
[05:40:35] <elmo40> nema 43's?
[05:40:37] <elmo40> large
[06:06:22] <elmo40> could i incorporate the output of a digital read-out onto my machine that uses steppers?
[06:07:04] <elmo40> is there a way for EMC to make corrections if there is a difference in the stepper count and read-out values?
[06:32:41] <elmo40> what is oz in in real terms? (Hp)
[06:38:57] <elmo40> move clocks tonights!
[06:41:28] <toastydeath> ounch inches?
[06:41:31] <toastydeath> *ounch inches
[06:42:11] <toastydeath> it's a very, very tiny unit of torque
[06:42:23] <toastydeath> ( elmo40 )
[07:06:50] <PhoenixKitchen> Okay please tell me someone has some G-code design software handy
[07:07:12] <toastydeath> i use gvim, personally
[07:07:13] <PhoenixKitchen> We just had first saw dust but we need the g-code for "hello world!" about 2 inches tall, .1 deep
[07:07:23] <PhoenixKitchen> with a 1/2 inch endmill style tool
[07:07:34] <toastydeath> can't help with cam
[07:07:43] <PhoenixKitchen> :(
[07:08:07] <PhoenixKitchen> no one is awake at 1AM on a Saturday
[07:22:18] <MattyMatt> PhoenixKitchen: one of the emc2 demos is text
[07:23:44] <MattyMatt> I don't think you can trivially change the text tho, it's hard coded letter shapes produced from another script which I don't know
[07:27:08] <toastydeath> indeed
[07:31:10] <MattyMatt> google text2gcode , but ignore the majosoft one
[07:31:54] <MattyMatt> http://www.cnc.yertiz.com/text2.htm looks quick&easy+free, but is win exe but I bet that works with Wine
[07:32:33] <MattyMatt> if Wine can run WoW, it should manage simple utils like that :)
[07:37:40] <MattyMatt> ooh neat, it includes a simple stroke font. I need one of them to see how they're encoded
[07:39:56] <MattyMatt> hmm, sunday 7.40am. better not do any grinding just yet :)
[08:05:03] <PhoenixKitchen> Just bought Cut2D cause I was going to need it eventually
[08:05:09] <PhoenixKitchen> Thanks for the help guys
[08:05:17] <PhoenixKitchen> I really appreciate it
[08:06:29] <PhoenixKitchen> Always helpful to be able to get on IRC at 1am with a problem and get a bunch of potential solutions
[08:10:57] <MattyMatt> happy to help
[08:11:34] <MattyMatt> I'm close to first cut myself :)
[08:13:55] <MattyMatt> 2 of my axes are now running over part of the range. I don't think my table is going move with the motor I'm using though
[08:15:43] <MattyMatt> not unless I crank up the current :)
[08:41:16] <sealive> Good morning from germany
[08:41:45] <sealive> is ther a viewer for g-code in ubuntu karmic
[08:42:44] <archivist> any editor
[08:44:52] <sealive> no visuel the path
[08:45:08] <archivist> to view the paths the code takes you can use EMC simulator
[08:46:53] <sealive> thanks EMC is not on karmic so i have to export it to the mashine
[08:46:58] <sealive> ok so far so good
[08:47:10] <sealive> but i did this now for a eagle layout
[08:47:44] <sealive> and i god 4 lines at eatch objekt i want to have only 1
[08:48:14] <sealive> pcb-gcode generatar
[08:50:41] <sealive> so where is the tool thickness on pcb-gcode
[08:52:25] <sealive> etching tool size
[08:52:42] <sealive> what diooes this mean
[08:52:52] <sealive> what does this mean
[08:53:13] <sealive> Diamater radius of the tool or ?
[08:54:18] <MattyMatt> probably diameter if it mentions etching & thickness
[08:54:58] <MattyMatt> tool size usually means diameter everywhere
[08:56:41] <sealive> thank you i found somthing in the forum -> make max lower then default trying no
[09:00:56] <sealive> ok back 1line now but so many lines missing
[09:04:49] <sealive> got it fixt default .1mm
[09:12:36] <sealive> mashine is milling
[09:40:11] <MrSunshine> mashine? :)
[10:13:30] <MrSunshine> gaah i need a lathe to fix up my god damn leadscrews :/
[10:13:40] <MrSunshine> and this time do it as it should and not off center :P
[11:05:18] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[11:14:11] <BlackMoon> haha epic. 36 grit zirconia sandpaper vs HSS = little shavings like steel wool
[11:14:16] <BlackMoon> High speed steel wool!
[11:14:52] <BlackMoon> (By sandpaper I mean 3x21 belt sander, found the belts at home depot)
[11:18:41] <JT-Dev> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,20/id,2297/lang,english/#2300
[11:21:22] <JT-Dev> when I do a g76 the lathe moves to the start position and I see the index enable flash on and back off but it just sits there
[11:21:41] <JT-Dev> as far as I can tell all the hal connections are correct
[11:21:57] <JT-Dev> any ideas on where/how to look for the problem
[11:23:20] <BlackMoon> uh, are you experianceing the problem in the forum post?
[11:23:59] <JT-Dev> no
[11:24:13] <BlackMoon> Ok well just thought id ask the obvious.
[12:35:56] <BlackMoon> grinding 5/8" HSS bits is tough
[12:36:21] <BlackMoon> I should make a wet belt grinder for roughing.
[12:36:38] <BlackMoon> pisses me off near the end of a grind when you get the tip just about right and it overheats because its too fine now
[12:36:53] <BlackMoon> meanwhile less pressure will hardly even scratch it
[12:37:12] <BlackMoon> and its allready taken the bite outta one $3 36grit belt
[12:38:54] <BlackMoon> I allmost feel like making a bit holder for grinding or something...
[12:39:01] <BlackMoon> but of course, then id be making a tool to make a tool to make a tool
[12:39:07] <BlackMoon> and id never get ANYTHING done at that rate.
[12:59:01] <BlackMoon> http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=40330 haha awsome
[12:59:04] <BlackMoon> sure beats using a drill
[12:59:18] <BlackMoon> Some.. small deburring may still be required.
[13:01:38] <numne> numne is now known as numen
[13:01:45] <numen> moin
[13:13:45] <JT-Hardinge> SWEEEEEET the Hardinge is threading now :)
[13:14:42] <i_tarzan> i_tarzan is now known as the-lamb
[13:15:40] <BlackMoon> CNC threading?
[13:16:31] <JT-Hardinge> yea
[13:16:36] <BlackMoon> awsome.
[13:18:12] <JT-Hardinge> down to less than half a jillion things to do now :)
[14:17:57] <pcw_home> JT-Hardinge: what was wrong with threading?
[14:23:40] <JT-Hardinge> pcw_home: encoder scale backwards for spindle
[14:26:11] <pcw_home> Ahh, I guess it would wait in vain for the right number to start
[14:27:41] <JT-Hardinge> yea it would wait forever
[14:28:21] <pfred1> good morning
[14:31:56] <pfred1> oh this board is going to work out well with two rows of holes to spare
[14:38:41] <JT-Dev> wow only one correction on this drawing :)
[15:08:36] <owhite> hello people. does anyone know how I could make alterations to the keyboard mappings in axis?
[15:09:15] <owhite> all I want to do is flip the directions for the left and right arrow keys.
[15:09:55] <JT-Dev> turn your keyboard around :)
[15:10:10] <JT-Dev> why do you want to flip them?
[15:10:19] <pfred1> JT-Dev I was going to say pop the keys off and swap them
[15:11:46] <owhite> JT-Dev. Because I use a stationary laser that points at a table that moves....
[15:12:30] <owhite> ...when the direction of +X movement is actually correct, its more intuitive for me to "Push arrow this way, move the table the other way".
[15:12:37] <JT-Dev> you want the movement to be for the table instead of the standard way for the tool
[15:12:43] <owhite> yes.
[15:12:56] <archivist> owhite,
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/12642
[15:13:03] <JT-Dev> you might try thinking about moving the laser not the table and it works out in your mind
[15:14:16] <owhite> yeah but you know how like you're in a rushed situation (like I have to get my hand under the table clamping it up) and I'd rather it was intuitive.
[15:16:06] <JT-Dev> I guess it would be ok but if you ever try and run a properly set up machine you will just get confused again
[15:17:04] <pfred1> /msg JT-Dev if Dr. Evil wants to have backwards frickkin lasers mounted to the heads of sharks ...
[15:17:37] <JT-Dev> LOL
[15:18:11] <JT-Dev> * JT-Dev wanders back out to the shop to wire in the E-STOP circuit now that everything works :)
[15:21:17] <owhite> I dont have a laser mounted shark. I have a shark mount laser.
http://i.imgur.com/WS7sD.jpg
[15:21:19] <tom3p> you can look into axis.py 'bind_axis("Left", "Right",0)' but look carefully, there's inter-dependencies
[15:21:33] <owhite> thanks tom3p
[15:21:44] <tom3p> be careful
[15:24:49] <tom3p> owhite, follow archivist's suggestion, it does use the bind but the methid archivist posted has been reviewed
[15:25:43] <archivist> I needed that link to add extra jogs to mine as its 5 axis
[15:25:44] <owhite> tom3p: I will I'm just trying to figure out what function to bind to each key.
[15:32:42] <owhite> yeah its weird it doesnt look like the axis.py code has explicitly stated bindings to "Left" and "Right" keys.
[15:34:09] <tom3p> well, it seems that Left and Right are just defined values, so you can overwrite them in the .rc file ( didnt look too close )
[15:34:57] <tom3p> overwrite/giveOtherValue
[15:35:12] <elmo40> MattyMatt: that is a nice app, yertiz.com text 2 gcode. i have yet to try it but it looks like it can use any TTF font. I have been looking for a way to use the Halo font in my design ;)
[15:35:38] <owhite> but doesnt this mean they are both bound to the same value? " bind_axis("Left", "Right", 2) "
[15:36:18] <tom3p> no it means the btns left & right are bound to axis 2
[15:36:36] <tom3p> look at the func bind_axis
[15:37:28] <tom3p> you will mess with what 'left' and 'right' are, like >< or +- or whatever as archivist 's post showed
[15:37:50] <owhite> got it.
[15:38:00] <tom3p> let us know it it works
[15:38:14] <tom3p> (work on a copy!! :)
[15:50:30] <tom3p> anyone here use yoyoke1's blender to ngc tools?
[15:55:57] <micges> tom3p: I was trying to learn blender to use it but with no results
[15:57:49] <pfred1> micges you and me both unless you count a sphere in the dark results
[15:58:38] <micges> hehe
[15:59:46] <pfred1> * pfred1 titles this 3D masterpiece, New Moon!
[16:01:24] <Jymmm> * Jymmm shoots pfred1, which raises the value of 'New Moon' to -$40.23
[16:02:26] <pfred1> Jymmm I was always just way better at using povray at least I could see something
[16:03:23] <Jymmm> pfred1: cant blender import povray?
[16:04:16] <pfred1> Jymmm maybe I don't know it was years ago I messed with any of that stuff I'm sure it has all changed by now I hear blender is getting a new front end too so I'll try it out agaon when that comes out
[16:05:40] <pfred1> Jymmm something still tells me to stick to the 2D for any of my CNC activities
[16:06:36] <Jymmm> pfred1: you'll need one of these
http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/spacenavigator.html
[16:08:26] <pfred1> Jymmm me being at the stick of a helicopter is guaranteed crash and burn!
[16:09:15] <pfred1> * pfred1 sure wouldn't get in a helicopter with pfred1 at the controls.
[16:10:04] <frallzor> how the f*ck does one remove a broken tap?
[16:10:51] <pfred1> frallzor taps are brittle so smash it out like glass
[16:11:21] <frallzor> with what?
[16:11:22] <pfred1> least when you're tapping steel that works OK
[16:11:28] <Jymmm> pin punch
[16:11:30] <pfred1> I use beat reamers
[16:11:36] <Jymmm> thru or blind hole?
[16:11:42] <frallzor> thru
[16:11:44] <pfred1> just sharpen the end of a beat reamer to a point and have at it
[16:12:30] <frallzor> ill have a go with a pin punch
[16:13:51] <pfred1> frallzor its not magic and it doesn't work great but well there aren't many things that do for removing broken taps I try to work them out too by you know trying to get them to rotate counterclockwise somewhat while I am wailing away at it
[16:14:13] <skunkworks> so - doesn anyne have a good source for bulk 50pin ribbon cable?
[16:14:17] <frallzor> I cant get a grip at it
[16:14:19] <skunkworks> *does
[16:14:22] <frallzor> so I need to bash it
[16:14:26] <skunkworks> *anyone
[16:14:57] <frallzor> so off I go to wreck havoc
[16:14:58] <pfred1> skunkworks that's old IDE HDD cable isn't it?
[16:15:03] <skunkworks> scsi
[16:15:04] <Jymmm> frallzor: just curious, what size?
[16:15:16] <Jymmm> pfred1: no those are 40p
[16:15:38] <JT-Hardinge> skunkworks: Dan told me about a place to get 50pin cable and connectors but I forgot where
[16:15:46] <pfred1> could always peel the UDMA stuff
[16:16:56] <pfred1> Jymmm 8-32 is a popular tap to break
[16:17:12] <Jymmm> so is 4-40 =)
[16:17:27] <pfred1> yeah thats when you weld grind and try again
[16:17:38] <skunkworks> JT-Hardinge: this worked great...
http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/16io.JPG
[16:18:03] <pfred1> there ain't no getting 4-40s out unless you have EDM
[16:18:31] <Jymmm> Note 50 pin cables are SCSI cables
[16:18:57] <pfred1> Jymmm finding scsi cables today must be like looking for dinosaur teeth
[16:19:10] <Jymmm> So, I have a bazillion of them around here somewhere
[16:19:41] <JT-Hardinge> skunkworks: it was Frys or something like that
[16:20:01] <pfred1> I got a lot of ribbon cables scrapping various old mini computers some huge like 12 foot long ribbons in some of those
[16:20:21] <JT-Hardinge> floppy cable?
[16:20:37] <Jymmm> JT-Hardinge: no
[16:20:39] <skunkworks> I have a bunch - but not that long..
[16:21:33] <skunkworks> I put the old style floppy drive edge connector on one end.. worked exactly perfectly to hook into these boards.
[16:21:34] <Jymmm> http://www.provantage.com/cables-go-02745~7CBTE01H.htm
[16:21:56] <pfred1> skunkworks i know those connectors
[16:22:22] <Jymmm> skunkworks: What fdd uses a 50p cable???
[16:22:51] <skunkworks> it isn't - it is 34 pin. but works for the 16i/o card.
[16:22:51] <pfred1> Jymmm use two they're small that's what IBM said for the first PC power connectors
[16:23:12] <Jymmm> ah
[16:23:30] <JT-Hardinge> a 12 1/4" floppy
[16:23:44] <pfred1> I wonder how many motherboards got sold because of the two power connectors?
[16:27:17] <pfred1> http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=643735
[16:28:07] <Jymmm> I don't think he wanted bare ribbon cable
[16:28:14] <skunkworks> pfred1: exactly
[16:28:24] <skunkworks> Jymmm: yes - I can crimp ends on easy
[16:28:25] <Jymmm> do you?
[16:28:42] <Jymmm> ah
[16:28:54] <Jymmm> that's easy to find
[16:29:07] <skunkworks> that is what I did here.. ^ with the floppy drive end.
[16:29:23] <Jymmm> skunkworks: how much you want 500? 1000? 10,000? feet
[16:29:43] <pfred1> I bet if you called them Jameco would sell you a roll
[16:29:55] <skunkworks> heh - I think 100 feet would do it - pfreds link is cheap
[16:30:12] <Jymmm> not really =)
[16:30:15] <skunkworks> heh
[16:30:26] <skunkworks> Jymmm: you have cheap sources?
[16:30:32] <pfred1> Jymmm but its rainbow ribbon
[16:30:32] <Jymmm> surplus
[16:30:57] <pfred1> I bet the plain gray crap would be a lot cheaper
[16:31:39] <Jymmm> pfred1: get a flag to show your gay pride - it's cheaper
[16:31:43] <skunkworks> it just would be nice to make up the cables the exact length we need them
[16:32:06] <pfred1> the plain gray is less than half the price
[16:32:21] <Jymmm> too expensive
[16:32:28] <pfred1> http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=644172
[16:32:39] <pfred1> $60 for 100 feet
[16:33:12] <Jymmm> pfred1: that'1 1/4 the cost..... $2/ft rainbow VS $0.60/ft
[16:33:58] <pfred1> Jymmm well in 10 foot lenghts it is a bit less than half what the 10' rainbow cost
[16:34:03] <Jymmm> skunkworks: probably can't beat that, and it's RoSH too
[16:34:14] <Jymmm> RoHS
[16:34:15] <pfred1> well yeah its PVC and copper
[16:35:00] <Jymmm> pfred1: you know that old china wire PVC is not RoHS compliant
[16:35:12] <pfred1> although I thought the chinese put a little lead in everything ....
[16:35:45] <Jymmm> Yeah, I bet RoHS really screwed over a lot of china mfg's.
[16:36:04] <pfred1> Jymmm RoHS is BS
[16:36:11] <Jymmm> pfred1: ok
[16:36:29] <pfred1> how come the military and aerospace are exempt from complying?
[16:37:01] <Jymmm> pfred1: I could tell you, but I'd have to shoot you.
[16:37:03] <cradek> maybe because they generate a very small percentage of the lead in landfills compared to consumer electronics
[16:37:30] <pfred1> cradek tell that to a radio man hit by a roadside bomber!
[16:37:51] <cradek> ?
[16:38:17] <pfred1> cradek all military and aerospace lead could potentially enter the environment
[16:38:40] <cradek> sure - but read again what I said
[16:38:48] <JT-Hardinge> when I connect my external e-stop circuit to iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in Axis e-stop is controlled by the external circuit. Is this expected or did I not connect something?
[16:39:25] <cradek> I have no stake or opinion, but "it's BS" does not follow from "someone is exempt"
[16:39:57] <JT-Hardinge> I'm guessing that iocontrol.0.user-enable-out needs to control my external relay too
[16:39:58] <pfred1> cradek if rohs was so great then ther would be no exemptions
[16:40:29] <pfred1> cradek especially for those who make the rules!
[16:40:35] <cradek> that's the same argument - I think it's still facile
[16:40:50] <Jymmm> pfred1: Sometimes LEAD is a requirement for a project.
[16:40:59] <pfred1> cradek how can you defend you can't but we can scenario is beyond me
[16:41:13] <cradek> JT-Hardinge: that's one way it can work... not exactly how I prefer it though
[16:41:26] <JT-Hardinge> cradek: how do you prefer it?
[16:41:36] <frallzor> motherf*cking motherfu*ker of tap
[16:41:48] <cradek> poking estop reset in the gui brings it out of estop if the hard switch(es) allow it
[16:41:58] <Jymmm> frallzor: what material?
[16:42:04] <frallzor> tap or steel?
[16:42:14] <cradek> but, either can put it into estop
[16:42:17] <frallzor> i mean tap or the tapee
[16:42:27] <cradek> JT-Hardinge: unfortunately the only way I've managed to do that is with ladder
[16:42:29] <Jymmm> frallzor: the victim
[16:42:32] <frallzor> steel
[16:42:47] <JT-Hardinge> cradek: ok thanks
[16:42:54] <Jymmm> frallzor: torch to heat/expand it a bit maybe
[16:43:24] <cradek> JT-Hardinge: there's an estop reset strobe from iocontrol that you can use to trigger a latching ladder rung
[16:43:25] <pfred1> frallzor I've hole sawed sections out then rose welded in new material you know depends how important it is
[16:43:36] <pfred1> move the hole ...
[16:43:53] <JT-Hardinge> cradek: thanks I'll check that out
[16:43:56] <frallzor> I could move but I cant stand that one side would be different from the other
[16:44:15] <frallzor> I will rather die trying than move the bloody hole =)
[16:44:51] <frallzor> *dramatic*
[16:44:56] <pfred1> frallzor these are all decisions we have to make on our own scrapping tapped in piece is an option too
[16:45:30] <frallzor> scrappin the piece isnt really an option :P
[16:45:38] <frallzor> since its the whole mill :P
[16:46:00] <pfred1> what mills are made of steel?
[16:46:22] <frallzor> I would say, many =)
[16:46:33] <cradek> huh? what is it?
[16:47:38] <frallzor> but at least the tap isnt sticking out anymore
[16:47:45] <frallzor> managed to kill it that much
[16:47:56] <pfred1> oh it takes a while to break them out
[16:48:08] <cradek> it's there for good
[16:48:29] <cradek> even if you shatter the tap you won't be able to get all the bits out if it's a blind hole. you won't be able to continue tapping the hole.
[16:48:37] <frallzor> thru
[16:48:47] <Jymmm> frallzor: Just curious, were you using tapping fluid?
[16:48:51] <pfred1> cradek if you can really get in there and clear the chip jamb that probably broke it they can work loose
[16:48:52] <cradek> ah, that's slightly better
[16:48:54] <frallzor> yup
[16:49:15] <cradek> what kind of tap? what size and thread?
[16:49:24] <pfred1> cradek I use high pressure air
[16:49:37] <frallzor> cutting tap, M8 coarse
[16:49:40] <Jymmm> and a face shield I hope
[16:49:53] <frallzor> dunno about the terms in english :)
[16:50:06] <frallzor> just guessing now
[16:50:08] <cradek> carbon steel or hss?
[16:50:22] <frallzor> I would say its the worst of them
[16:50:39] <pfred1> frallzor yeah the bust it out method only works with the hardest taps
[16:50:58] <cradek> I know it doesn't help now, but in the future, if scrapping the piece is not an option, spend a few more dollars on the tap
[16:50:59] <frallzor> box didnt say what is was
[16:51:04] <pfred1> the ones that fracture smooth
[16:51:29] <frallzor> I dont know how much a proper one should cost, these werent cheap :P
[16:52:05] <pfred1> cost isn't always an indication of anything
[16:52:21] <cradek> LOW cost is
[16:52:37] <frallzor> some brand named "brooke"
[16:52:38] <pfred1> cradek I've gotten lots of great stuff dirt cheap
[16:52:42] <frallzor> english stuff
[16:53:06] <frallzor> its funny that if you remove an o from the name it spells out the result
[16:53:11] <cradek> haha
[16:53:23] <pfred1> frallzor you were hand tapping?
[16:53:43] <frallzor> yes, but used a machine to do the first taps
[16:54:07] <pfred1> frallzor what percentage of thread did you drill for?
[16:54:10] <frallzor> 30 holes without a problem and it just shatters
[16:54:15] <cradek> google says at least some Brooke taps are HSS
[16:55:05] <frallzor> ah I got an extra
[16:55:13] <frallzor> HSS it says....
[16:55:15] <frallzor> f*ck
[16:55:55] <frallzor> happy day...
[16:56:14] <Jymmm> use whats his name's trick and chemical etch it
[16:56:35] <Jymmm> I still say torch it to heat/expand it
[16:56:36] <frallzor> wont it eat the victim too?
[16:56:40] <pfred1> frallzor have you tried to clear the hole?
[16:56:50] <frallzor> define clear
[16:56:59] <pfred1> frallzor get all of the chips out of it
[16:57:18] <frallzor> in that case, yes
[16:57:31] <Jymmm> frallzor: can you heat it?
[16:57:39] <skunkworks> We have drilled them out with carbide drills - but your setup has to be rigid
[16:57:41] <pfred1> frallzor and when yo uwere beating the tap you couldn't get it to back out any?
[16:57:41] <frallzor> nope, nothing to do that
[16:57:54] <Jymmm> frallzor: oven?
[16:58:02] <Jymmm> frallzor: toaster oven?
[16:58:13] <frallzor> Jymmm the pieces is 3x2m :P
[16:58:17] <frallzor> * -s
[16:58:28] <Jymmm> frallzor: bunch of toaster ovens =)
[16:58:49] <Jymmm> frallzor: you dont have a propane torch?
[16:58:54] <frallzor> nopes
[16:59:21] <frallzor> I guess I have to continue beathing the shit out of it then and if that fails, new hole
[16:59:24] <Jymmm> denatured alcohol?
[16:59:44] <pfred1> frallzor what i use is a pretty small reamer ground to a point
[16:59:46] <skunkworks> does it seem cludgy to scale a number up in emc send it to ladder - do some math - then send it back and scale it back down in emc
[16:59:56] <Jymmm> that stuff is 150 proof - white (invisable flame)
[17:00:08] <JT-Hardinge> can you tune velocity drives by setting the PID to 0 in the ini then get the best following error you can by tuning the drives?
[17:00:26] <frallzor> off to try beathing the shit out with some pointy stuff
[17:00:31] <frallzor> * -h
[17:00:32] <pfred1> frallzor every little bit you break off clear the hole and try to get the tap to back out
[17:00:41] <frallzor> will do
[17:00:43] <pfred1> they always loosen up
[17:00:44] <frallzor> *gone*
[17:01:07] <pfred1> being as while you're beating it up you're making the hole in the work a little bigger too
[17:01:45] <Jymmm> frallzor: Try breaking up the TIP of the tap, not where it broke off
[17:01:51] <skunkworks> if pid is set to 0 - I don't think you will get output..
[17:01:59] <pfred1> I think its a blind hole
[17:02:05] <Jymmm> oh
[17:02:12] <Jymmm> I thoght he said a thru hole
[17:02:42] <pfred1> yeah but if it's on the inside of a mill he may not be able to get to the other side
[17:02:43] <Jymmm> He did... 2010-03-14 09:48:37 frallzor: thru
[17:02:56] <pfred1> oh he's got to be able to get it out then
[17:03:31] <pfred1> I bet he'll be more careful backing off now
[17:03:48] <Danimal-office> mornin
[17:04:00] <pfred1> morning
[17:04:13] <Jymmm> Or not use a tap for more than 10 holes, then replace
[17:04:18] <pfred1> I was taping some stainless once and it was a nightmare
[17:04:46] <pfred1> I ended up going for something like 25% thread and it looked like the shadow of threads in them holes but they held
[17:04:47] <Danimal-office> you need a special tap for stainless
[17:05:11] <Danimal-office> the stainless-specific taps work like night and day
[17:05:14] <pfred1> Danimal-office yeah special strong beer tap
[17:05:29] <Danimal-office> lol
[17:06:12] <pfred1> Danimal-office now you tell me about this special tap where were you like 3 years ago when I needed to know?
[17:06:21] <Danimal-office> lol
[17:06:27] <Danimal-office> sorry bud!
[17:06:37] <pfred1> ah its OK I got it done
[17:06:54] <JT-Hardinge> skunkworks: that must be why SWPadnos was telling me to make a square wave generator thing
[17:06:56] <pfred1> but yeah it was like impossible to do I was breaking a tap every other hole
[17:07:33] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge you want to make a square wave generator?
[17:08:23] <JT-Hardinge> <SWPadnos>don't use PID in EMC, and just output a step change to the velocity command (I think that should show you the wobble in the amp PID)
[17:08:24] <JT-Hardinge> [11:52]<SWPadnos>use a bare HAL setup with halrun for that
[17:08:26] <JT-Hardinge> [11:52]<SWPadnos>else following errors get annoying
[17:11:07] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge so SWPadnos is telling you that you have wobbly amps?
[17:11:18] <JT-Hardinge> skunkworks: yep all zeros and it won't move lol
[17:11:50] <JT-Hardinge> yea, they are held on with rubber bands
[17:13:40] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge I think I'm starting to make the connection between rubber bands and closed loop systems over here too!
[17:15:02] <Danimal-office> still having issues JT-Hardinge?
[17:15:38] <JT-Hardinge> no, I just want to check the drive PID settings to see if they are set correctly
[17:16:19] <Danimal-office> JT-Hardinge, is it possile that your spindle encoder is reversed so it thinks it's running backwards? or maybe a or be isnt hooked up?
[17:16:20] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge would be what you're doing be called "tuning servos"?
[17:16:35] <Danimal-office> a or b*
[17:16:45] <skunkworks> is there a oneshot in hal? You could set it up and output a off/on/off at some length. Trigger it - scope it - anylize it.
[17:17:38] <JT-Hardinge> Danimal-office: the spindle encoder scale was wrong... threading works nice now
[17:17:51] <JT-Hardinge> pfred1: yes
[17:17:53] <skunkworks> run that into the pwmgen
[17:18:07] <Danimal-office> ahh
[17:18:12] <Danimal-office> cool
[17:18:30] <skunkworks> pwm input of the mesa card (might want to scale it so you are not running 100% ;)
[17:19:00] <JT-Hardinge> just looking at the oneshot now
[17:19:04] <pfred1> skunkworks like a scope triggerd sweep?
[17:19:12] <skunkworks> yes
[17:22:41] <JT-Hardinge> Danimal-office: you got it figured out yet :)
[17:23:06] <Danimal-office> got what figured out?
[17:24:39] <JT-Hardinge> how to make a oneshot => pwmgen :)
[17:25:04] <Danimal-office> i dont know what a oneshot is
[17:25:25] <pfred1> Danimal-office scope triggers on one signal then stops
[17:25:27] <JT-Hardinge> I'm ahead of you then cause I just read the manual
[17:25:37] <Danimal-office> lol
[17:25:54] <Danimal-office> no clue... never touched a scope in my life
[17:25:58] <pfred1> as opposed to a clocked trace
[17:26:08] <pfred1> or timebased
[17:27:14] <frallzor> f*ck brooke, the 2nd tap wont even tap
[17:28:17] <pfred1> frallzor what percentage of thread did you drill for? also I like to champher holes i tap too
[17:28:29] <pfred1> frallzor its almost like you get the first thread for free
[17:28:54] <frallzor> I dont know what percenteage, I just use the drill intended :P
[17:29:01] <frallzor> 6.8mm for M8
[17:29:41] <pfred1> frallzor well there are different drills you can use to get more or less thread
[17:30:48] <frallzor> doesnt that require different taps too
[17:31:19] <pfred1> no same tap bigger drill = less percentage of thread
[17:32:00] <pfred1> if you're trying to tap more than 50% in metal its often a waste
[17:32:45] <frallzor> well if 30 holes went along fine
[17:33:09] <frallzor> I just say that the brand brooke is shit
[17:33:36] <pfred1> could be your drill isn't drilling the same diameter now too
[17:35:24] <frallzor> well the wasted tap I just have to forget, new hole and tap
[18:08:29] <Danimal-office> what do you guys think of this logo i've been working on?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/hbcrev2.jpg
[18:11:04] <pfred1> it looks nice
[18:11:12] <Danimal-office> thanks
[18:11:33] <Danimal-office> its for my bicycle parts company
[18:11:54] <pfred1> I was going to say I have no context
[18:12:21] <pfred1> I see the chainring in the C
[18:12:34] <Danimal-office> yea
[18:12:40] <pfred1> why is the B lowercase?
[18:12:58] <Danimal-office> Homebrewed Components
[18:13:14] <Danimal-office> just figured it made sense
[18:13:53] <pfred1> years ago we used to bandy about the phrase HB but it didn't mean homebrewed in that context :)
[18:14:18] <Danimal-office> bandy?
[18:14:37] <pfred1> throw back and forth
[18:14:39] <Danimal-office> never heard that term
[18:14:41] <Danimal-office> ah
[18:15:01] <pfred1> back then an "HB" was a "hair bag"
[18:15:10] <pfred1> what's up HB?
[18:15:35] <pfred1> just figured I should share that
[18:15:44] <Danimal-office> it has several meanings i guess... first being they're made in my home, second is that some of my parts have bottle openers on them. lots of singlespeeders are beer drinkers.
[18:15:49] <Danimal-office> lol classy
[18:16:31] <pfred1> yeah I remember tale of one old time velodrome rider that was a massive drinker
[18:16:47] <pfred1> he was like the most famous rider of his day
[18:16:57] <Danimal-office> i'm just waiting to see what my tshirt guy has to say about the logo. i think that will be the deciding factor
[18:17:26] <Danimal-office> pfred1, i used to start each mountain bike with a beer, and finish with 20 lol
[18:17:35] <Danimal-office> mountain bike race*
[18:17:40] <pfred1> I'm curious why you equate your company with home brewed
[18:17:56] <pfred1> I'd think you would want to project an image of precision or something
[18:18:11] <Danimal-office> my reputation does that for me
[18:18:16] <pfred1> I mean for mountain biking I get the dirt
[18:18:16] <andypugh> If I have a milling head with an encoder and a 2-speed gearbox, does that seem like a good reason to run it under closed-loop speed control? (I am thinking of having LEDs in a pyvcp panel for maxed-out and "change down, you fool"
[18:18:45] <Danimal-office> single speeders are all about custom stuff. they dont like retail stuff
[18:19:11] <pfred1> then how about CBC?
[18:19:17] <Danimal-office> na
[18:19:38] <Danimal-office> the homebrewed beer thing fits singlespeeding
[18:19:43] <pfred1> sounds too much like CBS?
[18:19:51] <pfred1> ah
[18:20:13] <pfred1> Danimal-office I have the most kick assed micro brewery 6 miles up the road fro mme
[18:20:15] <Danimal-office> trust me, i have a very good rep... noone is under the assumption my stuff is hack
[18:20:26] <Danimal-office> nice!
[18:20:27] <andypugh> Homebrew crack would fit single-fixed-gear mountain biking?
[18:20:40] <pfred1> Danimal-office Dogfish Head
[18:20:59] <pfred1> makers of the second strongest beer on the planet!
[18:21:35] <Danimal-office> lol who's the first strongest?
[18:21:41] <pfred1> Sam Adams
[18:22:04] <Danimal-office> andypugh, what do you think of this logo for my mountain bike parts company? (homebrewed Components)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/hbcrev2.jpg
[18:22:08] <andypugh> I think you might be wrong.
[18:22:14] <Danimal-office> really? wouldnt have thought that
[18:22:20] <pfred1> the two sams went back and forth for a while but finally Adams made a brew that costs $150 a bottle and is slightly stronger than Dogs strongest
[18:22:24] <Danimal-office> sam smith maybe?
[18:22:48] <pfred1> http://www.realbeer.com/library/beerbreak/archives/beerbreak20020214.php
[18:22:50] <andypugh> Roger and Out is 16.9%, brewed in Sheffield.
[18:22:52] <pfred1> if you want to call it beer
[18:23:24] <andypugh> Ah, you do indeed win. That's silly!
[18:23:28] <Danimal-office> lol
[18:23:59] <pfred1> well I like the guys up the road better :
http://www.dogfish.com/
[18:24:39] <pfred1> 5 turns and I'm in their parking lot
[18:25:07] <andypugh> I like the logo.
[18:25:10] <Danimal-office> stone brewery is right around the corner from me
[18:25:16] <Danimal-office> thanks andypugh
[18:25:18] <pfred1> andypugh dogfish's?
[18:25:36] <pfred1> oh yes Danimal-office's Its nice
[18:25:42] <andypugh> If it was mine I would want the H to look more like a pedal, but I have little sense of when enough is enough.
[18:25:49] <Danimal-office> ever have arrogant bastard or stone pale ale?
[18:25:59] <pfred1> oh oh oh I got it
[18:26:23] <pfred1> do it at an angle and have the H a pedal the B the crank arm and the C the chainwheel!
[18:26:33] <Danimal-office> haha
[18:26:45] <Danimal-office> i only make chainrings though
[18:27:01] <pfred1> Danimal-office so then make teh C bigger I donno
[18:27:18] <pfred1> do it right and it'd look cool
[18:27:19] <andypugh> It's good as it is.
[18:27:21] <Danimal-office> i dont wanna make it too busy
[18:27:27] <Danimal-office> thanks
[18:27:47] <Danimal-office> it's already pretty busy lol
[18:27:58] <andypugh> How much for a set of all-the-same-size double rings for a 4-man tandem :-)
[18:27:58] <pfred1> yes it is
[18:28:22] <Danimal-office> how many teeth?
[18:28:35] <andypugh> 48?
[18:28:47] <Danimal-office> ah bummer, i only do up to 36
[18:28:48] <andypugh> Want to keep the chain tension down.
[18:29:28] <Danimal-office> i mostly just supply the mountain bike crowd, so 36 is usually sufficient
[18:30:27] <andypugh> Bottom brackets are going to be a challenge, I think I will be using needle rollers and plain shafts to get enough eccentricity for chain tensioning.
[18:31:12] <Danimal-office> just buy an off the shelf eccentric bottom bracket
[18:31:36] <andypugh> (No, that's daft, it's another size of hole saw and £20 of big-bore tube to make the BB's big enough)
[18:31:55] <Danimal-office> http://forwardcomponents.blogspot.com/
[18:31:58] <andypugh> Do they fit in a standard shell?
[18:32:06] <Danimal-office> yes
[18:32:22] <Danimal-office> one model does
[18:33:40] <andypugh> Ah! I feel proper stupid now.
[18:34:03] <andypugh> It never occurred to me to have the eccentric outboard of the BB.
[18:34:17] <Danimal-office> lol
[18:34:49] <andypugh> But at $150 they are near to the total budget for the bike, and I would need 3.
[18:35:34] <Danimal-office> make your own!
[18:35:39] <andypugh> (Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to make them for that price myself)
[18:37:39] <andypugh> I think that oversize BB shells with an eccentric standard thread might be more "future proof". Bear in mind that the predecessor tandem was 3 abandoned bike frames welded together, and was kept running by scavenging parts from bicycular corpses chained to racks at the end of the academic year.
[18:40:04] <Danimal-office> you're reliving the past man!
[18:41:32] <andypugh> Not entirely, this time it is going to be made properly, with a budget.
[18:41:44] <Danimal-office> http://a.images.blip.tv/PDXK-4SeatTandemBikeLandsharkAndAttackBanana185.jpg
[18:41:52] <pfred1> I know it needs more work but something like this:
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5976/hbc.png
[18:42:53] <andypugh> 4 is nothing very special, I have seen a 5-tandem built as a pacing bike by one of the major manufacturers in 1922.
[18:43:17] <Danimal-office> pfred1, might be hardto read on a t shirt
[18:44:22] <andypugh> That page had one interesting bit of info though, that Shimano Hollowtech spindles are 24mm dia. That makes it actually quite easy.
[18:44:34] <Danimal-office> well i gotta get some work done
[18:44:39] <Danimal-office> adios guys
[18:50:36] <ries> frallzor: hey dude
[19:03:24] <frallzor> lo
[19:05:30] <izua> hello
[19:44:45] <andypugh> Using the HAL "limit" function, is there an elegant way to get bit-signals for "at max" and "at min"?
[19:45:16] <andypugh> I could use 2 "comp" functions, but I am wondering if I am missing something.
[21:04:40] <L84Supper> L84Supper is now known as Arthur2ShedsJack
[21:08:08] <andypugh> And closed-loop spindle speed now works. With the small caveat that if you request a speed lower than the VFD can manage, the spindle ramps up to max speed instead.
[21:11:33] <andypugh> I am not sure how to get round that, as the PID and PWM need to be allowed to go negative for spindle reversal. The issue is that -max speed is full-pwm as is +max speed, and the PID keeps ramping down to -max speed in an attempt to slow the spindle.
[21:12:14] <frallzor> not much longer now ries, just some issues along the way =P
[21:13:03] <andypugh> I _could_ try connecting spindle-direction to the sign of the PWM, but that sounds like it would try to dither the VFD between the two directions for low spindle speeds, and that sounds very bad...
[21:13:29] <andypugh> I probably need to read up on "deadband"
[21:14:02] <Danimal-office> max, min, what's the diff
[21:14:33] <andypugh> As far as PWM output is concerned, none at all, that's the problem.
[21:21:16] <billykid2> hello
[21:21:27] <andypugh> Hi?
[21:27:56] <billykid2> i have a question
[21:28:33] <andypugh> OK. What is it?
[21:29:03] <billykid2> i make a circular pocket
[21:29:17] <billykid2> from deskcnc
[21:29:36] <andypugh> OK
[21:29:40] <billykid2> x y zero point at center pocket
[21:30:27] <andypugh> And?
[21:31:21] <billykid2> if i start job when machine is out zero
[21:31:37] <billykid2> i receive error message
[21:31:55] <billykid2> radius
[21:32:40] <billykid2> differ end -- start
[21:33:40] <andypugh> Is it using R-arcs or I,J arcs?
[21:33:51] <billykid2> i j arc
[21:36:11] <andypugh> Move to the position you want the pocket, then G92 X0 Y0 before the pocket and G92.1 after tha pocket
[21:36:53] <andypugh> That temporarily makes the current X.Y location 0,0 and the pocket code should then run.
[21:37:31] <andypugh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode_main.html#sub:G92,-G92.1,-G92.2,
[21:37:46] <billykid2> the machine is at zero point
[21:38:12] <andypugh> Ah, when you said "out zero" you meant "at zero:?
[21:38:46] <billykid2> sorry my english is poor
[21:39:13] <andypugh> No problem, just explaining my confusion.
[21:39:28] <billykid2> i make zero point
[21:39:50] <billykid2> after move in manual
[21:40:22] <andypugh> With touch-off I guess?
[21:40:39] <andypugh> (the effect is the same regardless of how you do it, it should work)
[21:41:42] <andypugh> It might be that deskcnc hasn't exported enough decimal places in the numbers.
[21:42:02] <andypugh> Can you put the file at www.pastebin.ca so we can have a look?
[21:42:08] <pfred1> this is what I want a CNC chain saw!
http://www.krusi.com/KrusimaticCNC.html
[21:42:41] <micges> pfred1: nice
[21:42:55] <pfred1> micges I saw one on a documentary on TV once
[21:43:23] <billykid2> three digits after the decimal point
[21:43:50] <micges> should be 4 digits
[21:43:55] <andypugh> pfred1: I wonder how it would cope with an 8"x10" x 20' oak beam?
[21:44:16] <billykid2> in millimeter
[21:44:21] <pfred1> andypugh it is specced in metric but it is for making timber frames
[21:44:38] <andypugh> Is there any way to make EMC a bit less "picky" about I.J accuracy?
[21:44:54] <micges> nope
[21:45:23] <andypugh> And do you need 4 digits regardless of units?
[21:45:52] <micges> 4 digits in mm, Idon't know how many in inch
[21:46:00] <pfred1> micges watch the video!
[21:46:06] <pfred1> http://www.krusi.com/KrusimaticVideos.html
[21:46:27] <JT-Hardinge> andypugh:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//gcode_main.html#sub:G2,-G3:-Arc
[21:46:35] <andypugh> pfred1: But the Swiss like to use softwood frames, preferably pre-wormeaten.
[21:47:42] <andypugh> billykid2: That link above says that there is an error if the end points differ by more than 0.002mm
[21:48:04] <pfred1> andypugh whoever designed this machine spent too much time smoking in Amsterdam too
[21:49:19] <micges> andypugh: oh I was wrong 4 digits in inch 3 in mm mode
[21:49:54] <billykid2> gcode there are in fact in the figures but are zero
[21:50:01] <micges> pfred1: very cool machine
[21:51:01] <pfred1> micges its insane
[21:51:18] <pfred1> micges did you see that shaper at the end?
[21:51:58] <pfred1> the cutter must have been 6 inches in diameter
[21:53:14] <JT-Hardinge> well that explains my spindle troubles
[21:53:29] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge what is that?
[21:53:46] <andypugh> billykid2: Are you getting anywhere?
[21:54:16] <JT-Hardinge> my spindle revs were off and after careful examination (read the label on the encoder) it is 1024 not 1000 like the rest of them
[21:54:58] <andypugh> That machine would have really accellerated our work on
http://www.bodgesoc.org/slaithwaite.html
[21:55:05] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge so your machine thought it was going in reverse for the other 24?
[21:55:29] <JT-Hardinge> no lol it just ran slower than asked for
[21:55:36] <JT-Hardinge> by 96
[21:56:08] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge I did a terriblly boneheaded thing with my circuit
[21:56:48] <billykid2> must begin to work physically on the zero point
[21:56:48] <andypugh> Mine runs much faster than asked for if you ask for a slow speed, the PID winds down to full negative, but the PWM can't tell the difference...
[21:57:16] <andypugh> billykid2: Ah, is it all defined in relative movements?
[21:58:18] <JT-Hardinge> pfred1: just the one... you got a ways to go to catch up to me then :)
[21:59:33] <billykid2> absolute
[21:59:56] <andypugh> That seems odd then
[22:00:15] <pfred1> OK I'm chucking out my circular saw
http://www.krusi.com/LignamaticVideos.html
[22:00:22] <andypugh> So, are you saying it actually works of you start at the 0,0 point?
[22:01:54] <billykid2> yes work
[22:02:28] <micges> billykid2: paste your program at www.pastebin.ca
[22:03:12] <billykid2> if machine is out of 0,0 point i get error
[22:04:07] <andypugh> pfred1s videos have reminded me of a loon doing great work with an old Interact2 and hand-coded cutter paths.
http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Tomlinson.htm
[22:04:44] <pfred1> andypugh I'm starting to think the T in T-1000 stands for tree
[22:05:02] <billykid2> for example if I have a flange
[22:05:21] <billykid2> zero point x y at center
[22:05:43] <billykid2> make four hole
[22:06:34] <billykid2> job finished at x12 y 12
[22:07:23] <billykid2> start the pocket file at same center
[22:07:59] <billykid2> give a error
[22:10:55] <andypugh> billykid2: It seems like deskcnc is making an assumption about something that isn't true.
[22:11:45] <micges> andypugh: that assumption will be in gcode file
[22:11:45] <billykid2> http://pastebin.ca/1840317
[22:11:48] <andypugh> But if you want the pocket at 0,0 is there really a problem?
[22:13:43] <andypugh> Looking at the file, it assumes Y=0 at the start, but the G-code doesn't contain a command to go there.
[22:14:29] <andypugh> (and all those N0 words are just plain silly)
[22:17:30] <andypugh> Edit line 7 to read X -19.4500 Y 0.000 and it will all work fine, I reckon.
[22:17:59] <billykid2> once did not give error but the piece did wrong
[22:18:37] <andypugh> In what way was it wrong?
[22:19:08] <billykid2> out of position
[22:20:17] <andypugh> It will have been where the G-code told it to be. EMC2 does actually work. If the results are not what you expected then the issue is far more likely to be with deskcnc than EMC2.
[22:20:57] <billykid2> from what I understand missing the line that calls to zero the machine
[22:20:57] <andypugh> How does the pocket position align with the preview in the Axis screen? That shows the 0,0 origin and the extents of the cutter path.
[22:22:13] <billykid2> it is all ok
[22:22:48] <andypugh> So the axis preview and the machined part didn't match?
[22:22:56] <frallzor> * frallzor is still PO =)
[22:23:30] <pfred1> frallzor what? about your tap?
[22:23:37] <frallzor> si
[22:23:56] <frallzor> halted todays work completely and dunno where to find better quality ones fast
[22:24:31] <billykid2> I stopped immediately when I saw him do a wrong hole
[22:26:51] <billykid2> however my cnc is better than my English :-)
[22:29:01] <billykid2> thanks Andy
[22:29:34] <billykid2> I understand the problem
[22:30:11] <andypugh> I have loaded the file into my sim config, and it looks OK
[22:30:34] <andypugh> I am guessing you were looking at machine absolute position?
[22:31:39] <billykid2> yes
[22:31:42] <micges> addingy0 to line 7 fixed problem here
[22:31:57] <billykid2> ok
[22:33:27] <billykid2> I was stupid I did not see that misses the point of zero at the beginning file
[22:35:44] <andypugh> Good luck with the rest of your EMC use
[22:36:32] <billykid2> really excellent emc
[22:37:34] <billykid2> i have pendant
[22:38:33] <billykid2> two encoder for spindle override and feedrate
[22:38:47] <andypugh> I use a really cheap game controller as a pendant, it actually works quite well.
[22:38:47] <billykid2> servomotor dc
[22:39:41] <billykid2> i have a pendant standard
[22:40:21] <andypugh> Do you have it working?
[22:41:05] <billykid2> no
[22:41:16] <billykid2> is a homebuilt machine
[22:41:53] <billykid2> x 500 mm y 400 z 150mm
[22:42:06] <andypugh> You should be able to get the pendant working, but you will need to start editing the HAL file.
[22:43:14] <andypugh> You will need an encoder function for each encoder, and a "knob2float" function to convert the output to something that can be connected to the correct virtual pins in the HAL file.
[22:44:15] <billykid2> is already functioning well
[22:44:41] <andypugh> The machine or the pendant?
[22:45:05] <billykid2> both
[22:45:10] <andypugh> Good.
[22:45:36] <andypugh> You confused me by answering "no" to the same question 4 minutes ago
[22:46:08] <billykid2> done long ago I honestly do not remember knob2float
[22:46:55] <andypugh> you might not have usd it, there are other ways. I just find the function name amusing in a childish sort of way.
[22:47:30] <billykid2> sorry if I understood the cnc was for work
[22:48:25] <andypugh> No problem, english is a very stupid language which I would hate to have to learn.
[22:49:29] <billykid2> few days have put my hal file
[22:50:22] <billykid2> thanks
[22:50:36] <billykid2> good night
[22:50:44] <billykid2> :-D
[22:51:06] <billykid2> from Italy
[23:03:32] <pfred1> andypugh don't worry in a few years we'll all be speaking chinese
[23:17:42] <BlackMoon> lol
[23:18:23] <skunkworks> it's all shiny
[23:23:57] <andypugh> Night folks
