whats wrong jt-plasma?
hi Dan I can't figure out if I need 0v or 24v to the enable pin on the drives
jt-plasma: maybe short to ground like mine?
what brand amps?
what damage would it do if you short it to ground?
safest bet I guess
thats what i thought
whats your logic voltage?
cant find a data sheet or manual for them?
no, I have a bunch of documents but they are foggy
did you enable your amps through your 7i37?
i thought you ment 7i33
great, i cleaned my garage and i cant find shit
i lost my solder
I have plenty drop over and I'll give you a sack full
seems basackwards through the 7i37 outputs for the enable
the 7i37 inverts, doesn't it?
ie, its switches have active-low inputs
the manual knows ...
* jt-plasma hunts for the manual
don't they say cleanieness is next go godiness and an idle mind is the workshop of the devil? Prehaps what they mean is by keeping things clean, you'd be so busy looking for stuff that....
* jt-plasma reads the 7i37 manual but does not understand what it means
jt, you need to invert thee outputs
on the 5i20?
if you want it normally open, yes
for the 7i37
do you reverse the connections? ie out1+ to the drive and out1- to the 0v rail?
input_output true for all 7i37 outputs that you want NO
this is my major confustion
err, wait. maybe
now we are all confused
if you have an enable in and a common, then the enable in most likely goes to out1+ and common to out1-
jt-plasma: i think ou have the enable wire from your amp go to the out+ and ground goes to out-
if there's an optocoupler involved, then you may need to connect a voltage source as well
yes, it needs voltage to work
the schematic show 0v >- | |- axis enable
it's an isolated MOSFET output, you need to connect both sides, and one side may also need to go to ground and/or V+
that's a relay? (as opposed to a capacitor)
and I'm presuming that you're talking about the drive hookup schematic
yes in the original circuit
wait on second thought, you dont need voltage going through the 7i37 for outputs but you do for inputs
dan1mal_garage, it depends on what the output is driving
true, but it's got 0 ohms even with no load
or voltage though it, when true
jt-plasma, I think the outputs are MOSFETs, so they're non-polar. You can connect it in either polarity, just like a switch
it needs the correct polarity
maybe ask on the forum so Peter chimes in LOL
i just went through this with my vfd, it needs the correct polarity or it'll always have some impedence and might cause your drive to always be on
ok... the dinner bell is ringing so time to strap on the feed bag
ponder this more tomorrow
only a few left to connect
then tuning time?
ahh, I figure test all the I/O first then spindle then axis
you're almost done
i bet you get the processors tomorrow
cool, the tracking only knows when it left LOL
you'll be punching babies and kicking puppies in no time
I don't kick puppies only coon's
when they get on the deck
they get a .357 kick
i didnt think it was still like that in the south
if they piss me off then the .44 magnum comes out
not needed usually
I only have a 9mm and a .223 :(
i had one living under my eves and the dog was trying to get it for the longest time
nothing wrong with them I have that too
yeah... need about 10 more
to cover the basics
I can reach out to 300 yards and touch you with my .223
in the left eye
250 yards with the M1 on open sights
my dad has one of those
we like shooting around here
jt-plasma: yeah, seems that way here in Montana too :)
so well balanced you can shoot off hand
out to 100 yards with no problem
does it count if I can shoot your balls off at 300 meters with an M16?
but... my collection is still a baby :(
yep it counts
(if I had an M16 :) )
ok, good to know :)
AR15 is close
I haven't handled one in close to 20 years, but I was pretty good in the Army
if you have a nice trigger and scope you can really reach out and touch someone
no scopes on those when I used them
M16A1, not A2
say hello at 2,000feet/second
(I think the A2 got the scope or something)
you don't need auto when one shot is all you need
3200+ feet/second, 2653 meter range, IIRC
I need to make a RAIL gun sometime
anyhow chow time here fellows
mmm... food.. yeah...
[01:34:16] <DaViruz> http://daviruz.meeep.net/cncpanel.png
DaViruz: were you that guy who was building a pulsejet?
kanzure: i was working on one a while back, but i never got very far
cradek: if you're on, here's my HNC video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsPmBr9udW0
took forever for youtube to process it
wish it had a chip conveyor lol
yes, you will need that soon enough
neat little lathe, perfect size for my shop
tilt the whole thing over a drum :)
tailstock end toward the ground
little heavy for that lol
just roll 55 gal drums under it on wheels
i'd need a forklift. i cant lift 2500lbs anymore
then you'll need a part catcher :)
it does have a part chute!
a pneumatic one
well there you go- you're halfway there
maybe i'll put some 10" diameter air cylnders under one side of it and have it tilt up
like a dump truck
maybe hydraulic :)
put it on 13" 100 spoke gold daytons
isn't there a little depression under the bed in the chip pan? maybe you could cut a hole in it and run some smooth wall ducting out for easy cleaning
and easy oil extraction :)
yea, i suppose i chip drawer could work
I'm sure you'll figure something out. nevermind my smart ass remarks
you might be able to set up a mini auger
man now you got me thinking
we'll see. wirey chips arent good, but i dont think this thing has the balls to make a proper chip with the size of material i'll be cutting
Whats up guys??
titanium, stainless, aluminum, etc... and yea, my hardinge lathe
whee - tonight I made a squirrel cage blower hub to fix the furnace, and I used polar coordinate canned cycle repeat in MDI to drill the bolt circle.
and tomorrow I don't have to go to work!
I can't decide which of those three things pleases me the most...
ldid u see my vid?
didnt think you had a job
thought you were self employed
apparently you are smarter than me lol
[05:08:10] <dan1mal_garage> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsPmBr9udW0
archivist, Verity Stob writes for The Register these days
mostly semi-senile ranting but he/she did a good expose of the crapness of an OU course last year
dan1mal_garage: nice vid, is the ATC original equipment?
padson me for asking :)
good morning and happy new year everyone, by the way
* MattyMatt is back on the case
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MattyMatt: Gung Hey Fat Choi Happy New Year
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tom3p: I'll take a large with steamed rice.
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tell me, is this hot or not? :P http://pici.se/p/large/CwLyebPHX/
* bill2or3 found a linear bearing+rail in a drawer last night. :-)
frallzor: beeper in the empty hole?
( and yes it looks nice, tho >>I << wouldnt take it to bed ;)
In AXIS, I go to MDI and execute T1M6, yet afterwards when I press the touch off button the Tool(T) option is not available, and the status line still says "No Tool". Why?
tom3p another button
not gotten it yet =)
button for reset after e-stop
np it does look nice & clean
mo mo mo
sounds like emc doesnt think it got the tool, so it may think it isnt done getting the tool, why? i dunno
but i'd trace the tool change
mshaver: sim config?
One interesting thing; When I run a program with a TnM6 in it, I get the "Insert Tool" dialog box. Entering the same thing in MDI doesn't produce that same dialog box.
micges: No, it's live machine. I could, given time, do it in sim.
mshaver: tool changer signals are looped in hal or connected to phisical machine?
mshaver: is your tool changed pin false after your toolchange is completed?
micges: They are looped through axis_manualtoolchange.hal.
Danimal-office: I don't know. I'm doing support over the phone, so I'd have to ask the guy to look at this with halmeter. I don't have a machine I can use here myself :(
I've spend today 2h on support phone :/
I think I'll reboot on a system that has EMC on it, and try some of this out here. Maybe I can figure something out in sim. I'll try to get back on here after I reboot!
micges: I'm probably at about 3h myself - I feel your pain :)
bye for now
weey got my springs today, nice quality stuff
i just met cradek's counterpart on ##pic, he knew how to sync a couple background tasks on a pic.
byw: this tool 'gpsim' is just weirdly very very much like hal
attach gnd1 pd1.pin sw1.B
attach sw1out sw1.A ledx1.in portb4
we better keep ther 2 seperate
i made a pc desk that hangs from the rafters in my garage, and swings up to the ceiling when i need it out of the way
in college i had similar, swung down from wall, but added old style roller shade so it was like a roll-top desk ( kept the desk cleaner , a bit)
this is in my garage, so no chance of staying clean :)
anyone know where I might be able to get aluminum tool plates around 10"x10" ?
the gpsim is like a hal gui http://imagebin.ca/view/AY8Bjpf.html
tlab google online metals we have several in chicagoland
any recomendation on what type of alum?
heh the only spec i heard was 10"x10".. better say how thick & whatits for so someone can advise
well I'm gonna route pcb boards, but I'd like to do light aluminum milling
tool plate is for my base, I figured if I had two plates, with four corners tapped I could adjust it so it was level
the deflection of cutting forces ( even light ) over a 10" span would suggest 3/8 min and 3/4 better thickness. gets pricy, so consider bolt on webbing for .375 plate ( stiffeners ). i'd square up the machine as you'll find adding simple stuff is easier than adjustable stuff.
for example, taiwanes machine have tones of adjusters for parallel and perpendicular, and more than 3 screws of adjustment is HELL
the machine is a fireball, so it's made of wood... not sure how well it would do metal
or how square it is
urk, begin with what its intended for, go very little further than that. (shaving with lawnmowers 101 -5 credit hours )
like playing horseshoes with hand grenades?
(close enough anyway)
no idea, I just got here :)
bad idea to cut alum on a fireball?
depends on the resolution you need, I guess
isn't resolution based on the motor controls? or is the machine just going to flex to much when cutting metal?
i remember a guy at burning man, made salad by tossing cabbages into a flymo balanced on his chin...
talb yes, machine flexes, controls can tell , so you ise stuff machines to cut stiff stuff
that sounds exceedingly stupid to me
it was fun to watch he had a shill named 'nurse juicy' who caught your attention
guess I'll stick to pcb and wood then
argh talb yes, machine flexes, controls cant tell , so you use stiff machines to cut stiff stuff
yea I fingered it out
youre pretty good then ( its code )
I'm more electrical than mechanical
ahh well my dream is crushed, thanks tom3p
sorry just cut wood, smell better than cutting metal anyday
I spent years cutting aluminum transmission cases
was all automated tho
I just replaced drills, inserts, etc
switching 12 inch cutter head was fun... had it sitting on my leg and it almost dragged me down into the flume
well I got a bunch of reading to do for school.. laters
EMC 2.3.4 in lathe mode, the tool touch offs get botched between runs. The table format is the lathe format. Is there something other then lathe=1 that is needed to get things to work?
what do you mean when you say "the tool touch offs get botched between runs"?
i cut tranny cases for a few years :)
who did the tooling? was it always the same?
that's is the most wonderful ugly bird I've seen in a long time :)
i have no clue what you're talking about lol
the ugly bird on the Ubuntu desktop
I don't see any chips flying about in the video :O
everytime i'm cutting chips, i'm rushing to get parts out and dont have time to film lol
you are cutting the chips?! talk about recycling... :D
aa-danimal-shop: do you use CAM in your shop?
do you do any editing with it?
i write and edit all my programs with it
I mean, as in use it as a CAD package too
i use solidworks for that
oh you use all the big boy tools
used it for a living, it's kinda hard to go backwards sometimes lol
but it is a major expense
I know what you mean Dan
this reminds me... I find a converter from MCX (EDU version) to something more usable
sorry for the delay, was working on the machine. I do the tooling. The 'z' position becomes that of tool '0' and the 'x' position is just wrong
however, I do note that when I am touching off the tools and I touch off the 'z' axis first when I hit the ok button on the touch off dialog, I see the 'x' numbers jump. They become the correct values from the previous time I tried to touch it off
ds3: still cheaper than my machines
so it seems like the tool table is not being read until it's written to.
i ordered some cutting oil, and they sent me the wrong stuff, but i didnt realize it till after i put it in the machine and used it. So i called them up and they're sending me the right stuff and even offered to ship it red label for free.
talk about good customer service. i figured they'd bitch that i already put it in the machine and used it
anyone that knows heekscad here? :)
what kind of cutting oil do you use?
and is it really an oil?
performance biolube nucut lite
* MrSunshine has learned not to use 556 or wd40 as cutting oil :P
it's a soy based oil
as i lifted the whole mill up and made it hoover on the surface: P
i use water solulable in the mill, but the lathe needs oil
might be dull mills also but :P
i use motor oil sometimes for drilling and tapping on the manual machines
we used to use old motor oil in the hobs in the shop i used to work
it was convenient, i just brought all my old oil in and they gladly took it
and you run flood with the soy based oil?
what's the name of it? my machine mfg warns not to use water containing coolants
performance biolubes nucut lite
do not get nucut ultra lite, it smokes up too much
i havent tried the nucut lite yet, but cradek swears by it
Yikes... smallest package is 5G pails
yea and it's expensive
cost me $150 shipped
Say, got that weird problem with my tool turret ladder code fixed.
In the ladder I used an equate "%QF0=-%IF0+%W7", it was the negation, had to use "%QF0=(0-%IF0)+%W7".
terrylm: no cursing in here please ;)
he he he he
Any time the value of IF0 was zero, the negation of zero would fail such that the hole thing just became zero. ... no more cursing.
terrylm: that's odd, probably a bug imo
Also latter found that the same problem occures if IF0 is negative one, apparently negating a negative is also broken.
yea i think there are more than a few quirks with the classicladder.... i've had some really weird stuff happen
I'm new to IRC/XChat, why are some messages red and prefixed with terrylm: ...
always found a way around them though
i dunno, i use mirc
but i would have to assume it's so you know someone is talking to you
terrylm: is it red now?
alex_joni, your last message was red, ... yes
yea, all i'm doing is typing your name then puting a semi colon after it
thats a neat feature
i'm assuming you're the only one seeing red when someone types terrylm:
I guess, it is red even when the name is at the end.
maybe i'll change over
seems like it's better than mirc
Well, the turret works great now, all the time.
I don't know... never used mirc.
I did try a terminal based client, but XChat is much better/easyer to use.
pictures or video or it never happened!
[23:10:08] <aa-danimal-shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsPmBr9udW0
there's my lathe turret
Neat, I make a video once I run a part...
Why do typos not show up untill after the enter key is hit?
The next challenge before I can turn parts is the tool offsets... they are correct after touch off, until exiting emc and restarting, then they are wrong.
I think the tool table is not being read.
here's my mill tool changer... this is the one i want to put a servo on.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE8xAXmYv4Q
[23:16:40] <aa-danimal-shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE8xAXmYv4Q
sorry, didnt put space
That's cool! I've never seen one the flips the tool over!
yea, works pretty well
havent had a mishap yet
i want to put a servo or stepper on the carousel so it moves faster
right now it has a regular motor with a cam on it that moves the carousel one position every revolution
ough, heekscad did not like to calculate tool paths for chamfered sketches :P
aa-danimal-shop: nice tool change slick
all i did was write the ladder for emc, it was already on the mill
Had a phone call, now I'm going to go find out why the tool offsets are wrong...
mine seem to be fine.. wonder whats wrong