* frallzor is eating some chili con carne
what sort of size?
ouch, just did a small calc on how much ive spent on my build.... so far
I suppose part of the reason that my case was a home build is that the PC was rackmount and 1U, but not actually 19" It is actually 12U (21") high, as the servers were vertically mounted in the cluster
Don't do that
and im not done yet =(
I recently found I have spent £1000+ with RS alone since I started
Im wont say how much ive spent :P
frallzor: dont leave us in suspense
well telling other ppl allways sucks if they aren of the same nationality
different economiews and currencys =)
i'm pretty sure i'm close to $20k between the 2 cnc machines
so what could be cheap here, converted to other currencies could be damn expensive
well maybe not that much
ah then im not crazy :P
probably close to 15k
6.8k for me atm, so its not that bad then I guess?
for one machine?
THE machine =P
depends on how it came out lol
not bad if it's awesome
well it WILL be flawless
then that's cheap
most of my money went into the mill
doing a mechmate like ries =)
the lathe was about half the cost
frallzor: nice, when are you expecting to be done?
my goal is about a month
RS is a uk-based electronics and lots more store, (the name used to be Radio Spares). The thing is they sell lots of stuff, next day delivery, and aren't _that_ expensive.
not leaving anything to chance
cant wait to see it
[00:32:42] <andypugh> http://rswww.com
ahhh THAT RS =)
Yes. The swines. They have the price/convenience factor just right (for them)
I do hope motionking sends my steppers like promised (latest 8feb)
CNY is a bitch
That peer is giving you a hard time, jst_home.
Is that JT or someone else, I wonder?
Am I a bad customer if I call the company doing some machining for me? :)
told me they would let me know when done
Depends if you say "have some more money" or "why isn't it done yet"
well the guy said "done this week" if I recall correctly
But I used to ring my suppliers to ask, and they never seemed to mind. You get a "when" rather than a "done now" if you ring them.
I do love my "whens"
OK time to sleep, been up 20 hours.
* danimal_garage hopes my mill still works after my pc enclosure migration
I'm trying to get my Hardinge computer to boot up and install EMC while it is spread out on the plasma cutter
when I try an boot up from the LiveCD now I get BusyBox v1/1/3...
* jt-plasma has not seen this before
what is the hardware?
dapper or hardy?
I ran it down in the beer cave
then took it all apart and moved it up here to the hardinge
the 1st thing that entered my mind when i saw the mobo on the paper and antistatic envelopes was frank zappa's 'saran wrap'
hard drive is different
skunkworks: what's that little brown slot on your mobo?
in line with the mattery
it might have been the cable to the dvd drive
they both were configured as master
put second ide cable for dvd and it seems to be working now
yea, were getting somewhere now
danimal_garage" some flavor of pci-e
got a little planning to do to make sure the cables reach between things
what an ugly bird
i read it better to give dvd/cd its own ide port (read on pages about burning)
oh i thought that brown slot was a 'modem riser' a really useful bit o hardware
I was just too lazy to pick up the second cable
but know better now :)
tom3p: you are right..
on a PCI-E motherboard its probbaly a PCI-E 1x slot
I don't understand why they don't have Poplar Bluff on the time zone chart when installing Ubuntu...
oooh i didnt see the jitter on that screen shot ... nice!
my dual core atom is hitting ~4000 or so
not as good as the Xeon :-<
that goal3 motherboard is the best latency I have ever witnessed.
[01:22:37] <jt-plasma> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Hardinge/computer01.jpg
[01:22:51] <jt-plasma> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Hardinge/computer02.jpg
Valen: you got me wanting to watch the babylon 5 series. I don't think I have seen all the episodes.
skunkworks: its pretty good
my other half got me box sets as presents ;->
skunkworks: is this it? goal 3 plus sempron 3000 http://www.fadfusion.com/selection.php?product_item_number=10024004442
2.3 is installed YEA!
* jt-plasma reads the manual to see how to not have to log in
Chapter 13.3.33 "We dont need no stinkin batches"
[01:44:28] <danimal_garage> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/DSCN0777.jpg
still a few things to connect, and some zipties to install
danimal_garage: how long before you make chips?
john_f_: tonight. It's been running since like june, but i migrated the pc into a new enclosure
holy crap i just realized this mobo has a pci-e board!
Lock up your daughters and throw out your wives, cause we're gonna have a big ol party tonight!!!!!!
a pentium 3 with a 16x pci-e slot?
isnt that a bit odd?
i guess that makes finding a video card easier
frysteev: is that yours?
this thing has an ISA AND a PCI-E slot lol
talk about 2 different decades
[01:52:17] <danimal_garage> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/?action=view¤t=DSCN0777.jpg
you can see the pci-e slot in the pic
never noticed till i looked at this picture
danimal_garage: on the left?
just got it
danimal_garage: That's a PCI 64 slot, not PCIe =)
frysteev: where did you buy it from?
danimal_garage: which they DID have at the time P3's were around.
danimal_garage: I have a few server mobos with that if you're interested
Jymmm: the white slot?
to the right?
danimal_garage: The LONG slot is PCI64, the short is PCI (32)
Jymmm: local guy here in toronto
Jymmm: this is a server mobo
* jt-plasma listens to Mamma Cass sing Dream a Little Dream of me... almost the range of Cate Bush
found him on kijjii
gio666 on cnczone
Jymmm: hmm learn something new everyday.
better then anything i could have made form scratch
this motherboard came out of a compaq server
danimal_garage: I have a bunch on dual SLOT1 cpu's and intel server mobo with serial console built in if you're interested
Jymmm: appreciate it, but i'm pretty set on computers right now. thinking of swapping out the lathe's dell for an atom though
just for space savings
i need to start working on my emc install while im waiting on my driver board to come
now it is Jimmy Buffet Why don't we get drunk and ...
took me a day longer than expected to complete this enclosure project
damn jst_home, make up your mind!
that's why I don't estimate
Allrighty now Pink Floyd - Money
mmmm slot one
I have a pair of 500mhz pentium 3 slot ones floating around somewhere
I think they were 500, might have been more
I have a bunch around here, up to 1GHz
mostly 800's iirc
someone needs slot 1 boards or processors?
nice name brand dual processor boards? :D
ds3: Nope, just offering all I have cheap
Jymmm: me too ;)
ds3: intel server baords?
Jymmm: a mix of Tyans and Intels
what's your problem with Tyan?
they work fine
* jt-plasma keeps reaching for the windows + e key but it don't work with Ubuntu
it opens the explorer in windoz
FWIW, they have on board real parallel ports :D
but shit for north/south bridges
I hate tyan
they (the company) gave decent service
oh is that why my RTC resets on power off and says "CMOS Battery is LOW" even though I've replaced it 3 times and two of their boards and they have no idea why.
again, fsck tyan
of the 1000+ boards I have gone through, I haven't seen that one
If I see it once, it's bad enough. But on two - forget it.
and their Sr Supports can't explain it
were these the "server" boards or their desktop boards?
does it mater?
yes, trying to figure out what's the difference in our experiences
I dont give a shit. When the EXACT failure happens on the same model from two different places - fsck that.
frysteev: it looks cool. have you fired it up yet?
anyways...that is not that important for running a machine via the parallel ports
hmmm, Joni Mitchell - Woodstock
jt-plasma: go smoke something!
LOL don't smoke any more
not good for you
frysteev: Could you do me a favor...
music is good
frysteev: If you take apart the nut that attaches to the X axis to the acme thread, could you take some hi-res photos?
frysteev: Yeah, I want to see/know how much adjustment it has, play, etc
now the wait for my driver board to show up :P
frysteev: What I'm seeing, is your main frame could get out of square somewhat easily.
its quite sturdy
but one of the reasons i bought the aluminum bed as well.
to keep it square
frysteev: how much?
ok the hardinge lathe is connected to the internet Sweet!
David Allen Coe-The Perfect Country and Western Song
now were listening to some classical music
here we go again...
Jerry Jeff Walker
22:19:36) dmess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K49J4uiXSuM&feature=related
(22:19:51) dmess: too nice not too share
ries_ is now known as ries
dmess more fun good tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3F5bTczeeE&feature=related
that's Steve too... thx
well almost everything works, just gotta straighten out my coolant
went pretty smoothly considering a complete rewire
coolant is wired right, just hal is configured incorrectly since i changed pins
do storage facilities sometimes have three phase power?
usually they have no power
not for you to use anyways
oh, didnt think about that... heh
they dont want you working on anything
well i think i effed up my mill's pc
not sure what i did but it wont boot from the HD
danimal_garage: the price of those mobo's I had for sale just trippled.
hardware is fine
i'm reinstalling ubuntu on a different HD
but i gotta see if i can save the files off my old HD
i did something in bios and it wouldnt boot anymore... something about raid disk array
so now i'm just installing ubuntu on a different disk from the IDE controller instead of that raid card
hopefully i can save the files i had on the other drive
is it possible to recover data after screwing up the raid array?
danimal_garage what kind of raid array?
dont think so
all i want is my config files :(
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archivist_attic is now known as archivist
Can I show the 'cone' in Axis up-side down, to simulate a dovetail router bit?
no, it can't do that shape. for a mill, it can only do cylinders if it knows the tool diameter.
cradek: not a biggy... just wondering...
can I let EMC switch to full stop mode for angles sharper then XX degrees? let's say if it encounters a angle < 150 degrees, it will switch to full stop, but for other angles it will follow G64 P0.1 ?
you could do that either by changing the source code, or preprocessing your gcode and adding the g61 and g64 where you need them to accomplish this
cradek: Ok, this is not a problem... more often then not I would generate a couple of separate files anyways. Apparently the Mach people have such a setting and I wasn't sure if this was a specific Gcode or specific to mach3.
that's something I tried once in our planner in the past, but I didn't like it
cradek: properly because there are a lot of 'depends' sort of situations? I can imagine it's not as simple as just checking the angle...
the arbitraryness is what bothered me. whatever angle you pick, if you make a shape with a corner just above and just under that angle, they'll get very different cutting behavior and consequently finished shapes
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cradek: understood.... my machine does woodworking only, so If I just run with G64 P0.1 I am good enough for my sort of items anyways
especially with wood, you probably never want exact stop, because it burns
cradek: how does the the current planner do it? how does it now how far to go on really sharp angles?
skunkworks_: it cuts them short to blend, or uses the tolerance if you give one
it sounds like (for wood) if you just give it the tolerance, then you are in 95% good to go
anyone know of a way to recover data from a screwed up raid array?
depends on the configuration, i guess
any idea why my system just hangs at 22% when i'm trying to install ubuntu?
danimal_garage: go through cntl-alt-f1 through f4 and see if you see any error message (-f7 to get back to gui)
ok thanks i'll try
once it gets to 22% it just freezes. That's when it says copying files.
ctl-alt-f# does nothing
i tried several hd's, a different cd, and cdrom
some driver fuzzing around
disable stuff in the bios that you dont need
that might need a driver =)
yea i think it was a raid driver
it's up to 24% now
still at 24% lol
yup, just stuck at 24% now
the disc then
make a new one =)
i did that already
then I say its till hardware
the last disk worked on my lathe just fine
unfortunately i'm no good at that stuff
the only thing i can do is put it back in raid like it was
how about the non technical way then
do you believe in god? :P
well then there only is the technical way :P
well it is time for "out with the old and in with the new"
* jthornton is signing off from the 6.06 computer
say goodby Gracie :)
well i guess it needs to be in raid
however one of my drives is bad
so i dunno how this'll work
it's installing at least
needs to? :)
i dunno, like i said, i dont know much about this
always just had regular ide drives, never raid
should it work ok with just 1 drive?
why use raid?
im a big fan of running EMC off my USB stick, no moving parts :-p
I got a nice CF>ide converter Im planning to use
just need a proper CF-card too
one of those MLC chip ones
is 1gig enough for emc?
i have to use raid
it wouldnt install if i didnt
seems very odd
frallzor: no, not if you mean the emc2 compiled for ubuntu 8.04 and installed with the live cd from linuxcnc.org. ubuntu says that the hard drive space requirement for 8.04 is 5 gigabytes with the desktop environment. https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/i386/minimum-hardware-reqts.html
frallzor: this pc is an old server and has raid hardware that i cant remove
ugh, "raid hardware" typically means that the data on the drives becomes unusable when you move the drive to a different type motherboard. You're sure there's not a "don't use hardware raid" option in the bios, or a certain connector which isn't going through the raid?
frallzor: Don't use CF for a non LIVE Distro.
there's a card in the machine with ata connections on it, seperate from the ide connectors on the mobo. When i disable the raid, it wont install
danimal_garage: what is the add-in card?
Jymmm why not?
some giant card, has ethernet and vga on it too
frallzor: Way too many write cycles for CF
not for MCL
= what most SSD-diska use
What is MCL?
a bit more pricey compared to regular CF-cards though, but still beats a "normal" ssd-disc
MLC i mean =)
[19:25:54] <frallzor> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell
but if regular ssd drives arent recommended either these wont do any good
danimal_garage: do you use the card?
i have to
unless i get another vid card, which i dont have time for. I need to finish parts by 3.
I am guessing that rcsu is not Royal College of Science Union?
why would i get this error: hm2-stepper.hal:50: parameter or pin 'hm2_5i20.0.watchdog tomeout_ns' not found?
because the pin name is spelled wrong?
i didnt copy and paste
the hal i'm using is a copy of my old hal
still a likely reason is that the name is spelled wrong.
and the computer swap out was successful
Is there a watchdog?
* jthornton is off to get his tractor back from getting the air out of the tires
i dunno, i never messed with the watchdog before
* Jymmm stabs jthornton's tractor
danimal_garage: there should be period between watchdog and timeout_ns
* WalterN shoots Jymmm with the tractor beam for being mean to tractors
i have a tractor
it was made in 1951, and it never worked, so i coated it in ether and set it on fire
then it worked.,
micges: there is
this is weird, this hal worked fine before
is there anything that goes in the ini for the watchdog?
danimal_garage: maybe you should pastebin your whole hal file. we're wasting a lot of effort guessing...
Has a newer Hm2 driver swapped an underscore for a hyphen?
danimal_garage: put 'show all' line before error line and see in terminal if you have such a pin name
Why did I never think of that?
That would have saved me hours!
quick question: this hal was used on the most recent version of emc. My mill currently has whatever version comes on the live cd, not updated yet. could that be the issue?
danimal_garage: ini file as well
should be updated with the ini now
danimal_garage: did you do show all check?
i'm not sure what you mean
I think that hm2_5i20 is now just hm2_pci for all hardware?
for all PCI hardware
danimal_garage: put 'show all' line before error line in hal file and see in terminal if you have such a pin name
there is also the 7i43
(I don't know for sure, I use a 7i43)
Putting together the INI file and HAL file, it is looking for hm2_5i20.0.watchdog and I am not sure that exists now. Note that it falls over at the first attempt to address the board.
andypugh: i wonder if that's it. i saw the driver was named hm2_pci
the machine the hal came from was current as far as updates go
this machine isnt
i'm updating now
use halcmd or halshow to see what the actual names are ...
it should be hm2_5i20.0
the hm2_pci driver will operate all of the PCI boards found, so if you have two types of board, you'll get something like hm2_5i20.0 and hm2_5i23.0
[20:30:19] <DaViruz> http://daviruz.meeep.net/DSC_0063.jpg
i'm in loove
sorry, forgive me for throwing a red herrring into the pool
i dunno, i'm lost
i just have a 5i20 and some daughter boards
danimal_garage: are you running emc from shortcut?
open your hal config
add 'show all' line before errror one in *.hal file
(show all means show all pieces of hal stuff)
choose your config and run
i dont know what you mean by error one... do you mean in a line above the line that gave me the error?
scroll back terminal to see if you have timeout pin/param created
looks like no
pastebin whole terminal outpur
[20:41:52] <danimal_garage> http://pastebin.com/m3e10c94f
ok now type dmesg in terminal and see if there are errors there
there are no hm2 pins there at all
there is no - right
I think they might have scrolled out of the history
No, that's not likely, is it, they would begin with "h")
danimal_garage: how it's going?
sorry, customer called
[20:53:52] <danimal_garage> http://pastebin.com/d22320fbf
that's the dmesg
It loads the hm2 driver, then immediately unloads it
noticed that too
in between try to load hm2 driver first before any classicladder stuff
i guess i can # out the cl stuff for now, since i lost my ladder :(
maybe a hardware error?
describe stepbystep what you've did since last running config
Is there an "echo" in halcmd?
OK, no there isn't
I would like to see what loadrt [HOSTMOT2](DRIVER) config=[HOSTMOT2](CONFIG) really looks like
Though I would expect an error message if it was garbage.
i lost everything on my harddrive
this is a fresh install
i'm using a copy of the hal i had on a flash drive
It might be worth trying it as an explicit line.
the hal worked fine as is in the old install
are you using same emc version before and now?
With the same .ini file too?
no, i'm updating now
not the same ini. ini was lost
I suspect that it is something being read from the ini.
What happens if you put in
put what in?
loadrt hm2_pci config="firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST8_4.BIT num_encoders=3 num_pwmgens=1 num_stepgens=3"
Also to check for a hardware problem, you might verify that the LiveCD hm2 servo config runs (disconnect your daughter cards to test)
I would wait and check all again after update
I wonder if PCW knows anything about Mesa cards?
too much probably
i see a couple red led's on on the 5i20
No pins may be because the firmware failed to load hence red LEDs
it's still updating, i gotta wait a few
.BIT file not found, card not found etc
4 minutes left
you're running a git run-in-place build?
it's installed on the HD if thats what you mean
cradek: I think not
43 seconds left!
ugh now it's all gotta install
all i did was update it
how goes yours jt-plasma?
planning on how to mount the computer and Mesa cards and stuff
ordered a slab of 6061 to mount it all on
old case + air nibbling tool = computer and mesa card mount
I took apart 4 cases and non were what I'd call "what I want" and one would not even fit LOL
thought about that cradek, but i just put some standoffs on the enclosure mounting plate, then welded on a bracket to hold the cpu fan and support the pci cards
much sturdier than a computer case
I gotta figure out what kind of cpu form I have and order a normal heat sink and fan I think
yea, i had some big weird one too
didnt feel like buying a new heatsink so i made it work
[21:32:12] <jthornton> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Hardinge/computer01.jpg
[21:32:29] <jthornton> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Hardinge/computer02.jpg
I could make that one work if I provided a place to mount the fan above the copper flower thingy
flower thingie lol
[21:34:36] <danimal_garage> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/DSCN0776.jpg
I didn't know how to describe it LOL... did you see the dust on it?
you can see where i just used .125x.625 steel to fab up a power supply bracket and a c frame to hold the pci cards and cpu fan
did you just bend a piece for the i/o cards to screw to?
cut and welded
really sturdy, and it didnt take long at all
* jthornton tries to figure out how to best use this new 450 Sq." of table space after moving the old 6.06 computer out :)
i had a few computer cases i thought about cutting up, but they were all pretty thin steel, and i know i'd rip my hands open working on it
guess i should finish tuning my mill
i kinda need it
the tool can exceed the soft limit in MDI mode. is this a bug?
for example, I opened the stepper_mm, homed all axis and then "g2 x1000 y1000 r800 f2000" command in MDI
the movement started but after some point, it exceeded the soft limit
with no error?
for G0 and G1 the movement don't start, give a message
* jt-plasma gits git on the hardinge computer
and for g2?
for g2, the tool started to move and it moves until exceeding the soft limit
extents checking for arcs is only smart enough to check the endpoint, not the whole arc
so it will happily run the arc until it hits the soft limit, then stop
it's always been like that, and it'd be great if someone would fix it
Hmm, Wildcat CAD is rather cool, very slick and looks good. Doesn't actually do anything much at all, but it is very slick at it :-)
axis checks this in auto mode, doesn't it?
yeah it is slightly smarter about checking them
so I guess there are several checks, all imperfect :-/
hmm well looks like i got this thing tuned ok again
if you want to checkout 2.4 where can you go to see all the branches and how they are spelled?
is 2.4 out already?
no, a branch has been made
i'm still on 2.3.4 and i just updated
2.3.4 is the last
check topic ;)
ha, even if i did, i still wouldnt know what the hell is going on half the time
it's all greek to me
I got the other half covered
Latest release: EMC 2.3.4
^^ doesn't sound greek to me ;)
still does to me. i dont know what /topic #emc is supposed to mean or do
in chatzilla the topic is up at the top of the page
<~~~ doesnt even know what chatzilla is
guessing something like mirc?
my irc thingy from firefox
i use mirc
this was the first one I could get to work for me :)
i'm on a windows machine
I use the chatzilla on all machines
including my backhoe
your backhoe is emc'd?
you use firefox?
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that's be cool, you can make your backhoe into a robot
never mind then
that thing takes a smooth touch
John Deere 310A model
10k lbs or so
still say robot
I'm the robot LOL
not bad, little bigger than the mill lol
* jt-plasma wanders back to the hardinge computer and try to figure out how to get the 2.4 branch from git
ok everything is back working right again, except for the toolchanger
on the mill
hmmm there must be a clue on this machine how I did it...
yea the mill
lol dont you love that?
it is a bit frustrating at times...
yea, i know very well unfortunately
I am thinking it would be fun to hob gears on my mill. Unfortunately the head doesn't tilt.
I suppose I could just always make slightly helical gears.
* jt-plasma listens to Arlo Guthrie and Pete Seeger - I'm Changing my name to Chrysler LOL
add a rotary to the table
I have a rotary table. I am wondering how best to match the helix angle of the hob.
add a rotary
I could tilt the rotary axis, tilt the mill column, or tilt the head. I can't decide which I prefer.
I tilt the rotary
That is probably the easiest for a fixed angle (I could just make a tapered adaptor plate)
Or buy an adjustable angle plate, I suppose.
my vid on youtube has the rotary in a tiling vice
so much more is possible with stacked rotaries though
I have a rather tiny table on my toy machine though.
you guys have steppers/servos on the rotary?
I have briefly considered motorising a head-rotate
It's a cheap rotary table, reworked.
mine are only cheapo rotaries too
It took more work than I expected, the bearing arrangment for the handwheels was too simplistic for a motor. I ended up with an arrangment of needle roller inside and outboard back-to-back angular contact bearings.
I was looking at an old pillar drill today, I may scrounge it and replace the base and column with it on the mill
My milling head (mini mill type device) is two castings. I split them to insert a brass shim gasket so I could run the spindle full of oil rather than a handful of grease. I am wondering about swapping that gasket for two iron plates and a pivot, so that I can rotate the head.
(This is a combined lathe/mill and this would also let me put the milling spindle on the same centreline as the lathe spindle. The fact it isn't bugs me.
I am assuming that EMC supports spindle-coordinated rotary-axis motion?
it gets fun when you take into account the full maths for helicals
I found that arc-eurotrade do hobs for £25, whereas the thread-milling cutters elsewhere are about £10 each, but only do a limited range of teeth-per-gear each
[23:03:54] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/hobbing.html
I have one of the £25 hobs, used it once for a job
I have a few of the form cutters. I ought to just get on and do it.
arse end view of a barber colman hobbing machine I may have http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works2008/P1010212.JPG
looks a bit awkward to cnc
only today was the front cleared to get a view
seems designed for watch size only
[23:09:30] <andypugh> http://school.mech.uwa.edu.au/~dwright/DANotes/gears/photos/BrownHobbing.jpeg
That must have been proper dull to watch.
I had never imagined they did them with such little cutters
ahh, the white lab coat in a machine shop
what is it with these people
imagine scrapping that thing?
you'd definitely be without a job
At least you know it is going to work fairly early hobbing it. Imagine single-tooth cutting it, then weeks later finding you had 1.5 tooth spaces left.
anyway, enough for tonight.
what's wrong with white lab coats in a shop? ;)
question, does it matter what end i put the home/limit switches on?
depends on yourself
home you need in 1 end only, but limit would be good for both ends :P
otherwise its limitless in 1 direction
well does it matter which end the home swtich i on?
depends on youself
good idea to have it close to the place you stand at most
why run around =)
man talk about fate... i was stressing because my machine was down and i couldnt finish these parts, and i get a call saying the drawing was wrong and they had to change the id so it's actually good that i didnt make them.