we call that super speeding.
I call it flying LOW
7 hrs at Warp Speed is what? 800 miles?
its MOOSE country
and our thanksgiving long weekend
I guess that is a lot more illegal there than here.
But a 76mph average takes some doing for 7 hours anywhere.
and the lower end is just the cottagers... luckily only about 80-90 miles of that caca
ive done it in under 6 hrs
the machines i drive learn the road.. i just get in and hold on for the ride. ;)
Hmm, is there a car-driving HAL module?
Convert the road map data to G-code...
Adaptive cruise control sensors for feed rate..
<Yeah, time I went to sleep I think>
i have done this same trip well over 250 times in the last 22 yrs...
its IMPRINTED in the back of my retnas.. AND my sub consience... i have skimmed a moose .. my son says that was close... i asked how close...he says... HIS poop is on MY window.... ;)
I narrowly missed a deer a couple years ago in Ohio. His back end folded my right mirror over as he ran in front of my truck. Way too close!
Scared the crap out of me. I didn't even have time to hit the brakes.
got some pics of a bmw that hit one ,,, guy driving it said he hit it , and it vanished ,,, when you look at the car the only real damage looks to be a broken radiator grill ,,, but the pics show where the dear went when the bonnet is open ,, that the whole dear managed to sort of wrap itself arround the engine
seen that 1 goog thing it was a smallish deer
well not for the dear i guess
or the mecanic that had to remove it i gues ,, dont know if that car was a write of because of it or not
but yea the close shaves do shake you up just as mutch as if you hit it
the ex rolled her car last week ,, no one hurt including her but shes been a bit shaky since
rolls are WIERD situations...
my last 1 was with a propane powered Suburban.. tanks in back as should be..... but
Black ICE and boom im facing the wrong way with 2 big rigs barrelling down on me... i hit the shoulder and the throttle.... going backwards still...
my last scrape was while reversing down a country lane ,, car slipped of the road edge into a dran gully and scraped a wall ,, got big scrape down the drivers door rear door and rear wing
missed the trucks but barrel rolled in backwards expecting the 2 tanks to blow me to heaven
but first scrape in 19 years
the way i look at it is if you can walk away... ITS only a vehichle..( tool)
well with me driving that is ,, one of my ex bosses was on way to a job ,, over a hump back bridge car in front stoped but he couldnot till too late ,, car was brand new on lease that morning we had only just picked it up ,, total write off ,, only injury was i got a cut on my nose from the dash plastic when the airbags went off
fyi a moose would NEVER fit in the bonnet of a BMW.. but it WOULD decappitate it
WOW... and i thought MY 11 hr write off was the fastest.. NOT
only ever hit 2 animals ,, one a rabbit many years ago , and the other a bird srike on the window at 80mph
lucky that the window did not break on that one
where do you live??
chirk ,, on the engish welsh border , about 15miles south of wrexham
im driving from southrn ontario to northern ontario
do you hunt?
theres quite a lot of wildlife arround here that gets on the road ,, phesants and rabbits most commanly
phesants are delish..
although theres qute a lot of phesant shooting in this aria
if they are on the roads.. there are many...
as long as the are shooting the males only
was talking to one of the farmers here ,, he releses 500 phesants a year for shooting ,, says most of them get shot each year ,, quite a lot of the london "snobs" come up to shoot them but they dont take them to eat them after
he says theres only so many ways to cook phessant and theres realy only so many times a year you want to
its cheaper than chicken to get hold of localy , but not keen on it eather
i dont object to hunting if its for food but for sport its a waste
well if the hunt semi-free range phesant... who knows what your getting... we use transplanted and bred birds
still a young transplant program.. so if you get 1.. you are lucky or good
they dont survive the winter here ,, so those not shot end up beeing food for some of the other wildlife arround here like foxes and badges
all birds are WILD
we have -40F and the live
there usualy all accounted for at the end of the year
in 6-7 feet of snow
i think thats BS
they tag the ones they relese so if you shoot one you can usualy find where it came from
NO hunt is that controlled
are all bird tagged??
you aint been fishin in england "NO, stand over THERE!", hunting is more anal
yea , thats nothing to the control there is on cows here ,, they have pasports and the paperwork for one is an horrendus task ,, since bse
and foot and mouth
all food stock animals have qute strict controls
its more crowded there i here... i'm used to my 45 square miles worth of lake.. or my little creek with just me
yea farms are rather compressed here some are only in 12 to 24 acers of land
you hold beef
me ,, no
its a mix of beef , sheep and forestry arround here , as its a hilly / semi mountanus aria
we in canada hold up 90 % of our population in 10% of our space..... I come from the northern areas... so survival rules...
this aria is rural but your never more than 15 miles away from a town or vilage
and usualy not more than a mile away from the nearest house with a phone
still prefer it to city life ,, city comforts like 24/7 shops are not far away , like 15 mins drive at most , but the advantages of beein out into the countyside also
i could show you 450 miles without a house and limited cell service thru northern ontario OR quebec
im a boy some-one took out of the bush...but they didnt take the bush out of the boy...yet
yea i know , somehow though having a bad memory means i would usualy have to make quite a few trips to the nearest shop for things i forget ,,, the nearest here is like 100 yards away
its what your used to i suppse
been removed for 20 yrs
love/lust wife.. kids...ex-wife... situation...
the town i live in has about 1000 houses so not big for uk but big enough
ha yea that tends to put a damper on everthing
and usualy ends up costing a fortune in the process
3 wonderful kids... it does have some Gold
only the 1 , but yea love him to bits
ya got to theses days
i read about climate change and wonder if he has a future
global warming ,,, the data does not look good
could be less than 60 years , and worse it could just switch in one season
the ice records from previous changes have shown that it was not a gradual change to a ice age but the change happend in the space of 1 year
ie it will reach a point and just flip
OLD INDian says... the height of the black wasp's/honey bees is 12-18 inches over where the snow will land
but most of the beed in the usa have died out ,, there not doing well here also
my dad has 2 large hives about 20-24 feet up
beed / bees
honey bees have been i caca for 2-3 yrs
last yr sourthern ontario had near nothing
and MANY bees swarmed
not a good thing with the colonized african bees making their way up thu the states
but however you look at the current environmental problems it does not look good , and we can only hope the polatitions will actualy do something about it rather than take back handers not to
theres no justification saying well it gives say 200 oil workers a job when there would be 300 jobs created in a newer tech that would replace it , its not the jobs that are the issue its the fact that the investors would need to invest in develoment and traning rather than sucking the porfiets
from the workers point of view it may be a case of they work infornt of a diferent machine pressing a diferent button watching a diferent porduct pass them all day long for the same $$$ regardles
I advovated solar power 30 yrs ago... and demonstrated it... no $$$ ever came
no because the oil compnaies would rather you spent it on oil powered kit so they can sell you more oil
example in the uk to get a ground source heat pump fitted would require a bore hole
now in say finland to get a bore hole for one is a fraction of the cost of what they charge here as its compulsary on new biulds there so theres lots of companies set up to drill them , all make a profit and employ lots of people
here because its not compusary theres only one or 2 specialist companies doing it and they charge like 5 to 6 times the rate
so if you get a heating system in the uk it would be £2500 for a gas one , and £5500 for a ground source heat one
now £3000 of that is for the bore hole , that would be £1000 if the rates where the same as in finland
the £5500 would pay for its self in fuel over 5 years ,, but if it was made compulsary here it would drop to £3500 making fitting a gas system totaly unviable
as for jobs well rather than fitting gas pipes the workers would need training for the ground source systems but its still going to need the same total of workers so theres no loss in jobs
otherthan the gas company investors would have to invest in ground source and spend a bit on retraing there employes
no job issues only investors that would rather make a porfit selling toxic products than clean up there act so to speek
the smart ones will make the change the others will just go bust as they wont invest
THAT my FIEND is good info... my dad taught me to drill with ANYthing when i was 16
some tools are more fun to try to drill with than others ,, usualy the one in your pocket seems to give satisfing results if attempting the correct surface
my folks have a hole started... 575 feet hand drilled/punded by the previous old guy
sounds like that would make a nice pool
Is anyone out there?
Yes, that is me.
a brother from texas??
I'm trying to tune the PID loops on a new CNC convertion.
I'm in FL
Anyone here understand PID loops?
AchiestDragon : bed time here.. be good
there is usualy
bed for me also soon
When the docs say to increase P untill it oscilates, does that mean chaning motor direction back and forth? or just veriing in the same direction?
terrym: yea should be someone who can help arround ,, ask and wait for a reply you will get an aswer when they read the scroll back
terrym: you'll know the its oscillating when it happens, have halscope showing ferror, be ready to stop the machine
OK, I've done that.
I've seen oscillations where the signal is always in the same direction, and also where the motor is driven back and forth.
That is, in the first case the motor speeds up and slows down rapidly, but always goes the same way.
Actually I was not looking at ferror...
I was looking at the pid output I think.
I'll take a look at ferror, and I'll leave this irc up for awail incase anyone else has something.
a good way to get help for tuning is pastebin a screenshop of halscope trace and identify the problems/conditions/etc.
oscillate means shudder, shake, a violent thing... not pleasant at all... "be ready to estop" ( and reduce the P to 70 or 0 % of what you had so you're ot too close to that edge )
70 or 80 %
the nicest it gets is a scary buzz (audible) without any errors
the worst is the machine starts to walk around the floor like an off balanced washing machine.
Ah, right now I'm trying to tune the PID for a 4inch rotary table, very small grear motor, a bit under-powered.
So even when it does shack, it is nothing violent.
I see what f-error looks like now, it looks like an AM signal on the Oscope
try it unloaded to see the cyclical error isnt mechanical
OK, it mostly works now, acurate to the 2nd decimal place, not too bad for angles in degrees.
With I and D set to 0, the lowest P that caused oscilation was 725, with a period of 0.16 sec., which I plugged into the formulas given in the integrators manual. This is the best it has worked yet, and possible good enough.
Why do I always see my typing mistakes AFTER hitting enter?
Thanks and good night
[#emc] "This is the #emc channel - talk related to the Enhanced Machine Controller and general machining. Website: http://www.linuxcnc.org/,
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oh neat, I've found a use for these puny inkjet steppers. run in reverse they make good rotary encoder -> http://www.webx.dk/oz2cpu/20m/encoder.htm
fenn: got opinion on ktechlab?
meh. might be useful
haven't touched it in years so my opinion isn't worth much
any suggestions for simulators?
a few opamps , a couple filters, given a repetitive waveform input file
looking at when a discharge occurs, to trigger a timer
anyway, ktechlab as dloaded from ubuntu repos blows ( a full wave bridge on a 5V ac source is generating teravolts )
crap 3am gnite!
just found faults on the website, not looking promising
but he went!
fwiw: QUCS seems better
now, bye bye
there is other stuff as well
tomp see also http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/
qucs is in there as well as all sorts of toys
must be down
does seem to be
* archivist posts some duct tape so jthornton can fix it
it should be fixed now
[11:07:17] <alex_joni> http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2009/10/12/dreamhost-network-is-down/
WOW, that's bad for *SO* many reasons... a single core router, no redundancy, DataCenter ins't manned 24/7, No out-of-band management,
I blame alex_joni or hat
Hi guys .... if I have a rear toolpost lathe and want to buy a threading tool holder to cut external threads - what is best - a right hand tool holder or a left hand holder? I can run the spindle in either direction and cut on the top or the bottom of the cutter... what do you think ... or is this the wrong place to ask? I'm thinking a right hand tool holder with the cutter facing...
...down and the spindle running CCW (facing the chuck) Does this make sense...
* alex_joni hides in the hat
Dave911: it's just as good as any other place to ask ;)
* jymm fills the hat with "Foam-in-a-can"!
OK .. thanks :-)
* alex_joni enjoys it cozy and warm
they may well have had redundancy and it didn't fail over because it looked like it was working
Valen: that part might be ok
alex_joni: And UBER sticky! (No solvent for that stuff)
but the 20 minute drive there is not ok
depends, they may well have had OOB but if its only 20 minutes away and its a complex problem then just going there might be the fastest way to fix it
alex_joni: Did you know that stuff has an exothermic reaction?
Valen: right, but I would expect to have an technician there
jymm: that's why I said warm and cozy
all the data centers I've been to are unmanned
Valen: odd ;)
theres people there sure but they are on an as needed basis
Every one I've been to/worked at are manned 24/7
It depends I spose, if it was their data center or if they sublease it
it might well have been manned by the new kid but he sure as shit isn't going to start power cycling edge routers lol
Tha'ts what phones are for
NetAdmin's are usually manning 24/7, but they are available and can give instructions to the person who is.
like I said, for the sake of 20 minutes theres nothing like being there
I just get a little shitty when people make snippy comments about stuff without knowing the full story
Heh, they shouldn't be down 20 seconds, much less 20 minutes.
downtime is related to price you pay
Unless a fiber cut, which is out of your control.
archivist: Big deal, you get refunded $2000, but lost $10K
if you buy cheap hosting you must expect downtime
I buy cheap hosting
so no system you have ever run has had a 20 second down time?
no mission-critical system that you build should have downtime longer than an acceptable time for that mission
Valen: system and network are two different things.
certainly not the case here..
part of my stuff was down all weekend, because I was not here, no one pays me , no big deal
yeah, theres a difference between should and does though
so when you're an ISP, you should have backups for everything, and either automatic failover or someone there to flip the switch
the problem is when you have a half failure
yeah, those are annoying
when it looks up but isn't working
Valen: there are no excuses for core router failure, that's a lack of failover and reundancy.
* archivist pokes jymm for the ##php bot down time :)
(less a fibercut of course)
and you know every possible way they can fail?
well, one excuse is that it is cheap hosting, and they had it fixed in a half hour :)
there is no possible way for it to fail, and for it not to fail over, given that failover may well require action on the part of their providers
jymm, even a fiber cut shouldn't be catastrophic - there should be two feeds, from different providers
those sorts of things often take time to propigate changes through networks outside your own too
SWPadnos: I'm tlaking like when there's street construction and some idiot digs before checking.
oh, a many-fiber cut
IE if you failover, it might take an hour or 2 for the routing changes to get out to the rest of the interwebs
in that case, the demarc for each hard line should be in a different place :)
they should use wi-fi, so there are no cables to cut
SWPadnos: shoulda coulda, not always the case.
I reckon they should use lasers, they are way cooler
lasers through open air
SWPadnos: NY and LA particularrly
and powerfull enough to fry any birds that get in the way
SWPadnos: 1 Wilshire is one example.
or annoying children
you get in shit for frying children
even with mint sauce
damn. time to move
you should come to my space station
I would call things like that "educational"
Here is a link showing my choices regarding threading tool holders.... Looks like I need a right hand holder to cut threads towards the lathe chuck and let the chips come off the bottom of the cutting surface?
Valen: that explains SO much.
Otherwise I would need to use a left hand holder and start at the chuck and cut away from the chuck - in that case chips would come off the top of the cutter... Hmmm perhaps I should buy both...
[12:55:15] <Dave911> http://www.carbidedepot.com/topnotch-application-threading.htm
Here we have "school zones" which are 40km/h during peak hours, even on 80-100km/h roads
so the kiddies get run over less
I reckon school zones should be minimum 80km/h
they are there to learn dammit
I think the handedness of the holders is to do with the handedness of the thread not the lathe so much
you just need to decide if your cutting internal or external threads
I believe our holder does both?
all depends which shoulder and direction, user decides
I have been known to make my own tip holders for threading
writing the XIlink WEB Pack dvd now, a 5.6G dload ( dload was a tarball ) using a DL DVD, hope it works ( 2h36min to go :/
archivist: thx for head up on that EDA suite, i'll look into it
tomp also gEDA set has a spice iirc
is anyone here using 7i43 I/O with EMC2?
I'm looking for a "pyVCP m5i20 HOSTMOT-4 test panel" but for the 7i43, before I write one myself
archivist: wow, the dbl layer dvd is done in < 1/2 hr, cool. yes i got gEDA, but writing all the spice files got me down ( lazy )
thx to anders wallin for that
tomp is now known as tom3p
tom3p yeah that is just what i need but for the 7i43
sed could help there
or something like that
yeah that is a good idea re sed ;-)
i will try it
can you hack the 5i20 panel into 7i43?
i guess so, i will try
Valen1 is now known as Valen
can anyone tell me, if there is a more elegant solution than suiding halcmd ?
otherwise emc just runs, when i sudo it
you shouldn't need to have halcmd SUID
i installed emc2 on knoppix 6, everything works fine, as long as i'm root, what can i do?
you need root permissions to insert and remove kernel models ONLY. this is done by emc_module_helper being setuid
yes, and emc_module_helper is suid
well that's not quite true. you also need it to load firmwares (bfload, pci_write, pci_read)
that may or may not matter depending on what hardware you're using
um, you could help us guess by telling us what error you get
i see a . (i guess from the init script) and then RTAPI: ERROR: failed to map shmem
means i just have to change the memlock and reboot?
that might do it (though you don't need to reboot, just re log in)
ulimit -a (something I don't remember)
whoops... max locked memory (kbytes, -l) 64
still nothing more
you need a lot more I think
something like 20480 is what I'm seeing in the IRC logs
/etc/security/limits.conf says * hard memlock 8192
try ulimit -l 20480
i can only do so as root...
ok i changed it in a root shell and su - <username> afterwards
now the display variable isnt set :-D
lots of thanks
tell me, if i reboot, i should be able to run emc as a regular user, right?
should be able to
or not reboot, and just log in again
the ulimit is applied at login, not at reboot AFAIK
ok, i guess it's just the terminal i was using to run emc
yeah, you have to log out completely, to the GDM/KDM/whatever screen
it seems to be working, if i run it directly from the desktop
i did init 2; init 5
oh hmm, that should do it
Valen: This is just for external threads.. Wow the numbers for carbide inserts for threading is about as confusing as possible. There are standards for normal cutters but when it comes to threading cutters there seems to be virtually no standard naming - although the cutters conform to certain types and the inscribed circles are standard so they are interchangeable if you can figure out...
...the naming scheme!
I finally figured it out though and I bought a right hand holder that I will mount upside down in the tool turret. That will allow me to turn the spindle CCW and cut right hand threads and move into the chuck. Now to find some decent inserts that don't require a arm and leg or my first born. It is hard to believe how much some of these inserts cost. Ebay has some good deals though if...
...you can wade through the hundeds of listings. Also there are some huge Ebay store inventories that don't show up in simple searches..
good evening. I use xemc, and have 4 decimal point position view on windows.Is possible visualization only 2 decimal point?
yes I'm sure you can make that change. you would need to recompile xemc.
cradek, i change the ini file or you thing is necessary mofification the source?
sprintf(string, "X %9.4f", newX); etc
cradek, ok thanks
Can someone rmind me how to disable homing on the rotary axis? Considering it isn't even plugged in it is a trifle annoying to be told that I can't do MDI moves if not homed
I get a little peeved by that too
NO_FORCE_HOMING in TRAJ iirc
but it should be in the manual
it needs to be per axis not global imo
Aye, I only want A to home instantly, not turn of homing altogether. That was the behavior, but I just re-stepconfed after swapping all my pins around.
that's easy to do - you set the homing velocities to zero
then you never reach a non existent switch.....?
It probably then assumes to home where it is.
don't make me url you
[20:51:25] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config_ini_homing.html
I knew it was something simple like that. Setting the homing sequence to -1 was the wrong guesss :-)
hm, "homing type none" should probably say immediate or something
or "no search"
use current position
Perhaps stepconf should put in a zero for axes with no limit switches?
in axis is there a quick way to set tool length offset or is it just file/edit/tools ?
Or the transient tool? (I have forgotten the G-Code) G43.1 or something?
Or, I suppose, Touch-off into the tool table?
anyone done gas flow/viscosity through effing small holes .3mm dia 20psi and length of hole 9mm or .13mm dia length .9mm
air bt the way
nope, but it sounds that it might be pretty nasty
No, but I think there are equations in machinery's handbook
Very high Renolds number, at a guess
[21:48:57] <andypugh> http://www.lenoxlaser.com/calculator/orifice.asp\
Looks good, they default to micron hole sizes
does anyone know of a safe fume-free polymer emulsion (think wood/PVA glue) that sets very hard?
that looks interesting andypugh , I drilled those sizes the last few days
I confess I was rather proud of my Google-Fu there
better than the stuff I was finding
I see they dont mention length of hole
I find putting "online calculator" (in the quotes) in such web searches pays dividends
cust is looking to lose 20 psi in 20 secs ish
I seem to recall that it doesn't matter up to a point, and that point is when pipe friction matters. I suspect it matters at 9mm x 0.3mm
yup but thats still too large a hole
hand peck drilling at that size
The calculations (and machining) would be far easier with a counterdrilled hole
I do counter drill for the smaller sizes
but fun getting inline
the bung im drilling has pips both ends that have to be removed
Make a fixture to locate on the pips?
standard cheap 1/2" pipe bungs/blanks, the pip is about the size of the hole one is about to drill
smallest center drills are on the big side
drilled 7 holes this afternoon , no drills broken , now have to wait to see if they work
At that rate I would have thought EDM was the way to go.
Though there might be some mileage in a drill guide that locates on some other feature of the part
no the part has been riveted so outer shape is a bit off
I machine part of that off to get the nut off
Build a homebrew EDM. You know you want to
I dont have the money
electric discharge macining
like arcwelding in reverse?
oooh, google helps, wikipedia fails
looks a bit like a foam cutter
oPless: if its liquid form emulsion your looking for then your going to be out of luck as in order for it to harden it would give of some fumes the best you would get is one that gives of none toxic fumes
AchiestDragon, I'm surprised that the PVA glue I have actually appears to fit the requirement
best i could suggest is the hot melt glue stick type polomars , or polymorph that have verry low fume emmitions in use
I have polymorph
unfortunately it doesn't really like having a dremel cutting it
yea got a 500g bag of polymorph here ,, not used it as yet though as not found any use for it
I was thinking about using it as a mould of sorts, but to make any kind of mould my shapes have to be hard enough not to warp
tries to remeber name of other stuff ,, miliput ,, usable underwater and safe for mounting living corral in a marine tank , sets like ceramic no fumes but not a plastic so may be a bit brittle
and my shapes are made out of card/thick paper at the moment
* oPless recognises the name
its like 2 sticks of clay that you mix together and form , it sets after there worked together
Aye, Milliput is good stuff, machinable too
sets even under water is not toxic and hard like a clay pot once set
They sell it on eBay.
(They sell it other places too, but eBay is open now)
may be a bit brittle though
Not that I have noticed
hmmm reading quickly about it, it might be the kind of stuff I'm looking for
some of the hot melt glue sticks may be suitable ,, they do a pva style one and some other ,, some are good enough to machine , my not be totaly fume free and toxic levels depend on type of glue and tend to be reletivlyt safe
they are simlar to the polimorph with a higher melting temp
some 2 part epoxy resins may be usable but some fumes and verieing toxitacy on the type ,, avalble with properties that are comparable with dicast alli
ahhh that's where I've heard it from :D
it used to be a type of car repair epoxy putty
often avalable for reparing broken castings on cars yea
miliput is a simlar sort of thing to that but theres other types some set to give you a abs type substance
by totaly safe i have to ask whats it going to be used on ,, safe as in constant skin contact or safe as for toy paint that may get chewed or eaten
base material for an animatronic model
it'll have a metallic chrome finish eventually (work area permitting)
then would suggest some 2 part epoxy that sets to about the strenth and properties of about abs
but I don't currently have much in the way of work area where I'm living at the moment
neather do i
AchiestDragon, pm :)
Consider Fimo too, oven-hardening modelling clay
good night all
Do you think i-pink lost interest in the project?
Ooh! Nice! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KEARNS-S-TYPE-HORIZONTAL-BORING-MACHINE_W0QQitemZ390105364319QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item5ad417775f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_956
My dad has one of those, pretty much a universal machine if you are patient.
4 axis manual machine, it would make an interesting conversion.
(The 4th axis is a radial slide in the chuck, I have always wondered about the mechanism, but assume a differential is involved)
Whoah! I found a video of the S-types Daddy
[23:42:59] <andypugh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jGlNH0aW88