#emc | Logs for 2009-05-06

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[00:13:02] <Goslowjimbo> I just tested the files. They work.
[00:14:03] <SWPadnos> excellent!
[00:24:33] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Be sure to say that in your EVIL voice
[00:24:40] <SWPadnos> I did
[00:24:52] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Ok, carry on!
[00:25:03] <SWPadnos> muahahahahaha
[00:25:07] <SWPadnos> !
[00:25:09] <JymmmEMC> better
[00:25:54] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Hey I need to hit you up sometime on LED controler/driver Basics. No rush
[00:26:02] <SWPadnos> ok. get back to me in June
[00:26:09] <SWPadnos> or later :)
[00:26:29] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: How about you get back to when when you can?
[00:26:34] <JymmmEMC> ^me
[00:26:48] <SWPadnos> if I remember, sure
[00:27:00] <SWPadnos> if I haven't by mid-June, remind me
[00:27:08] <JymmmEMC> ok
[00:27:12] <Goslowjimbo> THanks, again guys. Bye
[00:27:16] <SWPadnos> see you
[00:27:19] <SWPadnos> glad you got it working
[00:27:47] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: I'll email/nag every 6000 seconds.
[00:28:05] <SWPadnos> 600000
[00:28:16] <JymmmEMC> 60000
[00:28:25] <SWPadnos> 2400000
[00:28:31] <JymmmEMC> 30000
[00:29:07] <SWPadnos> ONE MILLION! muahahahahaha!
[00:29:14] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Hope you have unlimited texting
[00:29:19] <SWPadnos> no, I don't
[00:29:42] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Can you block SMS?
[00:30:07] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Muuuuhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
[00:30:08] <SWPadnos> I can probably get rid of text messaging entirely
[00:30:11] <SWPadnos> I don't use it
[00:30:33] <SWPadnos> so if you start spamming me, I'll get you back somehow (since I pay for every message) :)
[00:31:11] <SWPadnos> I can send you an AVR-based lighting controller, if you want to run some tests with it
[00:31:15] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Ok, take it out of the cost of that SS Enclosure. I figure I have at LEAST $200 credit there =)
[00:31:23] <SWPadnos> heh
[00:31:50] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Actually, I do wnat to learn AVR, but a more Dumbass LED 101 is what I need.
[00:32:39] <SWPadnos> ok - mid-June
[00:32:41] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Like things to drive a matrix, or multiple mattrixes. Or control strands of LEds, etc that kinda stuff.
[00:33:15] <JymmmEMC> June it is =)
[01:23:19] <mshaver> logger
[01:55:24] <JymmmEMC> mshaver: I prefer Ale over a lager =)
[01:56:48] <SWPadnos> now this is funny on several levels: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812119009
[01:57:15] <SWPadnos> first, small $2 item with $6 shipping
[01:57:28] <SWPadnos> second "has UV effect wires and connectors to increase the unearthly glow from your machine"
[01:58:13] <SWPadnos> third, there are 28 reviews for a Y cable
[01:58:53] <JymmmEMC> heh
[02:12:46] <ds3> anyone thought about refiting the controls on those import laser cutters with EMC?
[02:25:28] <tomp> tomp is now known as tomp3
[02:25:51] <tomp3> is there a way to search thru the irc logs?
[02:25:59] <cradek> google does a decent job
[02:27:26] <jepler> use site:linuxcnc.org terms
[02:27:33] <jepler> if it's in irc logs, it'll turn up
[02:27:57] <SWPadnos> I wonder what the lag time is
[02:30:12] <cradek> I bet not long.
[02:30:38] <JymmmEMC> looks like 4/20 right now
[02:30:45] <JymmmEMC> 2009-04-30
[02:32:32] <JymmmEMC> my bad
[02:36:55] <tomp3> ahah! like this, thanks shove this up yer google >>> "www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/ trajectory planner" got lotsa hits from the right place, cool
[02:38:28] <SWPadnos> so I just found a cool program: vbindiff
[02:38:46] <SWPadnos> compares binary files in hex, and lets you shift the two files around relative to each other
[02:39:00] <SWPadnos> in glorius ncurses blue
[02:39:24] <tomp3> visual basic indifference?
[02:39:48] <SWPadnos> visual binary differences maybe? :)
[02:40:32] <tomp3> lets you allign code chunks of diffent files ?
[02:41:36] <jepler> 'night all
[02:41:54] <SWPadnos> tomp3, yes, you can do that
[02:41:56] <tomp3> i'm not getting anywhere inmy search cuz i dont rememeber enuf of the topic to make the search pattern.
[02:41:58] <SWPadnos> sett you jep
[02:42:02] <SWPadnos> see you jepler
[02:42:30] <tomp3> nite jepler
[02:43:28] <tomp3> ´╗┐erf it was a question for jepler, he said that usually the whole file was parsed or planned in the blink of an eye, and 'it' could be viewed ( a queue or something )
[02:44:10] <tomp3> he told me something to try , and i went off to work... lost the thread
[02:44:23] <cradek> the gcode gets interpreted fast - you can see the last-interpreted line in the stat
[02:44:39] <cradek> for instance I think the AXIS splash screen interprets in about one second
[02:46:05] <tomp3> sounds like the subject, i'll try 'interpret' thx
[02:47:52] <cradek> so much good stuff goes by in irc - too bad it's hard to find it later.
[02:52:44] <SWPadnos> "interpret" and "queue" are probably good terms
[03:03:44] <tomp3> queue makes me think of moby dick. its cue in america dangit
[03:04:03] <SWPadnos> no, cue is different
[03:04:11] <SWPadnos> queue is still "a line"
[03:04:37] <SWPadnos> "cue" is either billiards/pool related, or it's an indication to do something (like an actor getting their cue)
[03:29:32] <jmkasunich> grrr website designers
[03:29:42] <eric_unterhausen> grrr
[03:29:52] <jmkasunich> you put two items in a shopping cart, come back 30 mins later to add another item, and the first two have been forgotten
[03:30:06] <jmkasunich> I can't help it if I'm a slow shopper
[03:30:09] <eric_unterhausen> I've seen that
[03:34:30] <toastydeath> mongoloid he was a mongoloid happier than you and me
[03:34:39] <toastydeath> mongoloid he was a mongolid
[03:34:44] <toastydeath> and it deteremined what he could see
[03:34:44] <tomp3> we are devo
[03:38:18] <tomp3> gnite
[03:42:02] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: blame web developers not designers for that
[03:42:19] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: unless you were logged it
[03:44:35] <eric_unterhausen> I wonder how you tell if someone is selling rental Oxy/Acetylene tanks?
[03:45:04] <JymmmEMC> huh?
[03:45:18] <eric_unterhausen> on craigslist
[03:45:29] <JymmmEMC> are you looking for some?
[03:45:32] <eric_unterhausen> yess
[03:46:02] <JymmmEMC> to rent buy, trade, lease? lease to own? filled? empty? new? used? cretified?
[03:46:19] <eric_unterhausen> I don't care, I just need gas
[03:46:34] <JymmmEMC> then hit a local welding supply
[03:47:03] <eric_unterhausen> they will recertify and fill tanks
[03:47:26] <JymmmEMC> if they can, obviously if the tanks fubared they won't
[03:47:31] <jmkasunich> unless the tank is a rental that someone sold (which makes it stolen property)
[03:47:55] <eric_unterhausen> right, which leads to my question, I wonder how you tell if someone is selling rental tanks
[03:48:37] <JymmmEMC> I'd assume there are markings on the tank somewhere
[03:49:16] <eric_unterhausen> yes, around the top there are all sorts of marks
[03:50:59] <JymmmEMC> Again, ask a local welding supply house. If you tell them you are shopping on the craiglist I'm sure thay are more than willing to give you that info.
[03:53:58] <JymmmEMC> This is actually kind cool for what it is... http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.20383
[03:59:44] <eric_unterhausen> that is cool, now if they would just have one that uses your neighbor's wireless, it would be perfect
[04:32:30] <JymmmEMC> Is anyone looking for any RS-232/USB to RS-485 adapters?
[05:02:37] <eric_unterhausen> JymmmEMC: maybe, why?
[06:06:43] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: Was it you that was interested in 20 to 24 pin PC PS adapter?
[08:25:54] <Lerman____> Lerman____ is now known as Lerman
[08:57:24] <micges> Lerman____: hello
[08:59:17] <piasdom> g'mornin all
[09:04:13] <Lerman_____> Lerman_____ is now known as Lerman
[09:17:24] <micges> alex_joni: around ?
[09:17:35] <micges> I have question about halui
[09:18:05] <micges> I've connected halui.jog.0.minus to some input but it doesn't work
[09:18:22] <micges> I've set jog-speed to 1000
[09:32:20] <micges> alex_joni: nevermind I should check deeper before asking
[09:37:07] <tomp> tomp is now known as tomp3
[09:44:22] <alex_joni> micges: working now?
[09:46:04] <micges> yes
[09:48:29] <alex_joni> cool, what was it?
[09:50:56] <micges> must be in manual mode to work
[09:51:05] <alex_joni> ah, right
[09:51:34] <micges> was in MDI after g0x0y0
[10:30:15] <tomp3> how common are drives that take PWM directly ( no capacitor filtering of PWM to analog )? any users?
[11:24:45] <Mark_FAPS> hello, in Python/Vismach I can't get reading from Hal_in pins working. Writing to hal_out pins works, any ideas?
[12:24:34] <d_puppy> hi
[12:25:15] <d_puppy> hmmmm...all sleeping?
[12:25:57] <archivist> yes
[12:26:28] <eric_unterhausen> narcolepsy central here
[12:27:04] <d_puppy> is the channel language german or english
[12:27:04] <d_puppy> ?
[12:27:39] <micges> english
[12:27:44] <d_puppy> ok
[12:31:41] <d_puppy> i have a question: i have made a block 100x100x50 in varicad (3d cad for linux) with 2 cuttings inside. first is 50 deep, second 70.
[12:32:29] <d_puppy> if i convert it with dxf2g-code it generates only a code with one cutting deep
[12:32:57] <d_puppy> emc cuts then only in one deep on z-axis
[12:33:39] <d_puppy> i this a problem og the dxf2g-code program? or the cad-program, or the emc?
[12:33:50] <d_puppy> i am new in cnc
[12:34:29] <eric_unterhausen> the g-code probably only has one cut
[12:34:41] <eric_unterhausen> it shouldn't be too hard to read
[12:35:49] <d_puppy> that's waht i mean. Z-axis -1.5 to get to the piece and then -3.0 to cut. but the second cut has to be more
[12:36:26] <d_puppy> i use the simulation-mode of emc at the moment. my maschine isn't ready. waiting for some parts.
[12:39:42] <d_puppy> ok, i cut all questions. what software is free to do 3d cad, convert to g-code and use this in emc (all for linux)?
[12:40:26] <archivist> see http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_EMC_G-Code_Generators
[12:40:41] <archivist> and http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cam
[12:41:41] <archivist> and this is at the beginning http://code.google.com/p/heekscnc/
[12:58:49] <Optic> moo
[13:03:26] <alex_joni> apt-get moo
[13:03:26] <alex_joni> (__)
[13:03:26] <alex_joni> (oo)
[13:03:26] <alex_joni> /------\/
[13:03:26] <alex_joni> / | ||
[13:03:29] <alex_joni> * /\---/\
[13:03:31] <alex_joni> ~~ ~~
[13:03:34] <alex_joni> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[13:03:45] <d_puppy> ;-)
[13:05:30] <d_puppy> i have a board called mach 2 3. got it at ebay. it's from china. has someone the same one running with emc2?
[13:06:19] <anonimasu> d_puppy: they are a separate board that's not related and will not run with emc
[13:06:26] <anonimasu> d_puppy: it's a completely separate controller
[13:07:26] <d_puppy> it's for 4 axis and is controlled over LPT
[13:07:49] <anonimasu> d_puppy: http://www.machsupport.com/
[13:08:57] <d_puppy> http://cgi.ebay.de/4-Achsen-stepper-Schrittmotor-fuer-CNC-Fraese-NEU_W0QQitemZ330327288975QQcmdZViewItemQQptZController?hash=item330327288975&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1229%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
[13:09:02] <d_puppy> this one i mean
[13:09:23] <anonimasu> ah, a motor driver
[13:09:44] <d_puppy> jepp
[13:09:55] <cradek> d_puppy: have you found a link to a manual with the technical specs?
[13:10:05] <cradek> that's what we need to be able to give you good advice.
[13:10:24] <d_puppy> no chance and the handbook is in chineese
[13:10:57] <d_puppy> the connections can be seen an the pictures in the handbook. all the rest is testing
[14:39:09] <skunkworks> wow http://sections.asme.org/milwaukee/history/21-ncmachine.html
[14:39:14] <skunkworks> ours is a IIIb
[14:39:15] <skunkworks> ;)
[14:39:44] <roh> cool shit
[14:39:58] <roh> is wish i had some land with a shop on it for such stuff
[14:40:09] <roh> 'space' ;)
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[17:09:42] <hoodoo> Hi all
[18:24:08] <skunkworks> is this thing on?
[18:24:49] <archivist> no
[18:24:55] <skunkworks> ;)
[18:27:31] <hoodoo> is anyone about?
[18:27:58] <archivist> they just all went square
[18:28:32] <hoodoo> ok, hey
[18:28:42] <hoodoo> are you any good with EMc2?
[18:29:17] <archivist> just ask the question
[18:29:55] <hoodoo> ok, i have EMC2 on a laptop, and it wont run a simulation or any other configuration
[18:30:17] <hoodoo> it seems to be something to do with rtapi
[18:31:20] <archivist> realtime and laptops dont mix well
[18:31:46] <hoodoo> ive been told
[18:32:00] <hoodoo> but hey, i thought id give it a shot
[18:32:07] <cradek> you ought to say what the error is
[18:32:17] <cradek> otherwise we'll just have to guess what's wrong
[18:35:51] <hoodoo> ok.. ive got the log file
[18:36:32] <hoodoo> http://pastebin.com/m5a9893d6
[18:38:59] <hoodoo> is that of any help?
[18:39:10] <rob> hi, if i turn on halui i get, HAL: ERROR: insufficient memory for signal
[18:39:29] <cradek> hoodoo: is this a full dapper install?
[18:39:35] <hoodoo> yes
[18:39:43] <hoodoo> done with an alternate install cd
[18:40:48] <cradek> is this emc built from source, or is it the linuxcnc dapper package?
[18:40:59] <hoodoo> dapper package
[18:41:12] <hoodoo> should i build from source?
[18:41:49] <cradek> (I'm surprised that it's 2.2.0 you're getting)
[18:42:08] <cradek> no, rebuilding isn't going to help - but I'm not sure what's wrong.
[18:42:09] <hoodoo> the problem is the machine has no network, so getting all depends is quite tedious, and for building from source, it will be much harder
[18:42:28] <hoodoo> what do you mean, 2.2.0 surprised
[18:42:43] <cradek> you should have 2.2.8, not 2.2.0
[18:42:48] <hoodoo> hhm
[18:43:01] <cradek> I guess if you downloaded it manually, maybe you just picked the oldest one.
[18:43:18] <hoodoo> ya, looks like it
[18:43:21] <cradek> you could also choose to run 2.3.0 now, which is pretty new
[18:43:27] <hoodoo> should i upgrade to 2.2.8
[18:43:36] <hoodoo> does that run on dapper
[18:43:48] <cradek> yes either way, you should run the latest bugfix release, 2.2.8 or 2.3.0
[18:43:51] <cradek> yes
[18:43:53] <hoodoo> http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/dists/dapper/emc2.2/binary-i386/
[18:44:00] <hoodoo> that is my source
[18:44:23] <cradek> that's correct, you just picked the oldest one
[18:45:05] <hoodoo> right
[18:57:19] <micges> rob: you have emc from debs or compiled from source ?
[18:57:52] <hoodoo> cradek: ok, no change..
[18:58:59] <rob> deb
[18:59:00] <hoodoo> http://pastebin.com/md4de8eb
[18:59:08] <rob> 2.3
[18:59:49] <micges> rob: what are loading to hal ? (mesa, halui, some hal drivers)
[19:00:00] <rob> mesa 5i20 hm2
[19:01:11] <rob> sim version load ok
[19:01:49] <micges> sim configs you mean ?
[19:02:01] <rob> yer
[19:02:05] <rob> halui sim
[19:03:55] <hoodoo> cradek: you still ther?
[19:03:57] <cradek> hoodoo: your error means rtai_malloc failed, which seems to mean the kernel is out of memory.
[19:04:03] <hoodoo> ah
[19:04:05] <hoodoo> ram issue
[19:04:07] <cradek> hoodoo: maybe you need more ram and/or swap
[19:04:19] <hoodoo> i have ehem.. 91mb
[19:04:21] <cradek> how much swap do you have, and is it full?
[19:04:25] <micges> rob: turn off halui and run emc2, then in another terminal type "halcmd status"
[19:04:29] <hoodoo> 256mb maybe
[19:05:01] <rob> yea if i comment halui out loads fine, load it from ini with halui where i get memory errors
[19:05:04] <cradek> maybe?
[19:05:33] <rob> machine is not here wit me right now i have to do that tomorow
[19:05:35] <cradek> `free' will tell you
[19:05:37] <cradek> oh ok
[19:06:17] <hoodoo> right, running ubuntu and EMC2 startup, only 65% ram is used and about 40% Swap
[19:06:32] <cradek> rob: is this one of the distributed sample configs to which you only added halui, or have you done more than that?
[19:06:40] <hoodoo> the machine isnt next to me, and specs aren't all known
[19:06:55] <rob> tool the hm2 servo as a base
[19:07:13] <rob> then added alot of sigs etc for the 5i20
[19:07:17] <cradek> hm, ok
[19:07:49] <cradek> maybe grab a copy of your entire configuration so one of us with a 5i20 can try to reproduce it.
[19:08:04] <cradek> maybe something is leaking hal memory
[19:08:04] <rob> ok
[19:08:16] <cradek> also, grab the full output of the emc run so we have the exact error message
[19:08:30] <cradek> like I did above, we can easily find the exact failure in the source then
[19:09:49] <rob> sure
[19:28:01] <SWPadnos> hoodoo, what do you mean by "running ubuntu and EMC2 startup, only 65% ram is used and about 40% Swap"
[19:28:20] <SWPadnos> specifically, if EMC2 won't run, what do you mean by "EMC2 startup"
[19:35:06] <MrSunshine_> gief oscilloscope!
[19:44:41] <anonimasu> buy a scope
[19:44:42] <anonimasu> they are cheao
[19:44:43] <anonimasu> cheap
[19:44:44] <anonimasu> :]
[19:51:44] <MrSunshine_> wtf, now my parport wont work again /:
[19:52:01] <MrSunshine_> got no of the parport drivers loaded, lp, parport_pc, parport, ppdev .. but i get broken pipe when it ry to step ?
[19:56:32] <alex_joni> wheee.. Eee PC 1008 HA launched next week
[20:33:52] <alex_joni> good night all
[20:57:04] <roel01> Hi all
[21:18:22] <hoodoo> im off now guys
[21:18:28] <hoodoo> thanks for the help again
[23:14:37] <LawrenceG> JymmmEMC, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360152248820 here is your laser... get a bigger shop
[23:16:04] <JymmmEMC> LawrenceG: And it's only 30 minutes away too
[23:16:41] <LawrenceG> a couple of mobile home axles and you could tow it home
[23:17:53] <LawrenceG> that place has some nice tools.... not as cheap as I have seen, but they are a reseller
[23:18:33] <JymmmEMC> LawrenceG: Dude, it's on rails...literally there are Rail Road like rails.
[23:19:12] <JymmmEMC> Or maybe that's how they move the steel around
[23:22:40] <JymmmEMC> LawrenceG: "Non-Contact Hi-Pressure Cutting Head " hmmmm????
[23:23:35] <JymmmEMC> LawrenceG: Man, I don't even have the mains service for that! lol
[23:24:42] <LawrenceG> JymmmEMC, jumper cables to the 3phase in the alley
[23:25:14] <JymmmEMC> lol
[23:26:38] <JymmmEMC> LawrenceG: Did you order one of these yet? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11315
[23:31:17] <LawrenceG> nope.... i would like to keep my remaining eye :}
[23:32:34] <JymmmEMC> LawrenceG: Well, hurry up and order one so you can ship it down to me
[23:33:51] <skunkworks405> hmm - might have to buy 2 ;)
[23:36:04] <skunkworks405> JymmmEMC: we could each by 1.5 lasers and give LawrenceG one for the troubles. ;)
[23:37:05] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks405: Yes, yes we could
[23:39:12] <JymmmEMC> LawrenceG: So, you coming to the US anytime soon? Or know someone that is?
[23:39:30] <skunkworks405> heh - peer pressure. ;)
[23:40:39] <JymmmEMC> Well, I know that the FDA allows laser components in the US without permit. It's just fully operational lasers they don't.
[23:41:17] <JymmmEMC> That's how you can get 40W lasers from China, becasue the tube isn't connected and requires assembly.
[23:41:22] <LawrenceG> I am surpised they allow dvd burners.... they are in the 150mw range
[23:42:04] <JymmmEMC> The beam is self-contained, not "open" I suspect.
[23:46:05] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks405: http://www.armlaser.com/2000mw-laser-module-2w-laser-module-p-11.html
[23:46:53] <skunkworks405> invisable laser pointer... see it because thing smoke? ;)
[23:46:59] <skunkworks405> things
[23:48:41] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks405: http://www.armlaser.com/high-power-400mw-808nm-infrared-laser-pointer-p-8.html
[23:49:48] <skunkworks405> will that company sell to the us?
[23:50:10] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks405: I just googles and found it
[23:50:14] <JymmmEMC> they are in china
[23:53:58] <JymmmEMC> not focused either http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B37GGZjeok
[23:57:34] <JymmmEMC> LawrenceG: search youtube for "IR laser from dvd"