the message of the day should say "just ask your main question or we may stay asleep"
jmkasunich: did you get a chance to run the atom mobo?
my workbench is a mess, and I haven't worked up the ambition to clean off a square foot or two
I know the feeling
and whenever I start to clean up, things get worse first
I should do that though
I've been coding instead, but the code will eventually run on the atom
I should probably test it on the atom
speed will matter, and I really don't have a handle on how much slower the atom will be than my dev box
goal 3 rebates back on
newegg sold out of the better atoms
$169 for a motherboard+quad-core CPU today
and it's a nice motherboard too
780 chipset though
Asus M3A78 Pro I think it was
you talked me out of that
hmmm. I thought it was the 790G, but I may have misread
today's shocker, right?
thinking about it, there is no 790G, it's the 790GX
I decided not to get a quad because I wanted a quiet low power system
yeah, the lowest power quads are 95W
which isn't a hell of a lot more than the 65 or so of most of the duals
hmmm. the power supply I have in my cart keeps getting better and better discounts
the deal was for 125w though, and I got a 45w
which power supply
I wonder what's wrong with it (it's a PC Power & Cooling/OCZ model)
[01:50:45] <SWPadnos> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009
yes, the deal was a big one
think the wsingle 60A 12V rail is the problem?
other than the experience with my SuperMicro motherboard, PCP&C supplies have always been excellent
I think it's expensive for what it is
it's cheap for PCP&C
wow, that silverstone 400w is a good deal
400 is too small to power a GTX295 :)
especially if you want a motherboard to plug it into
400W??? I can probally run an ARM board with a thermopile generator sitting in that PC ;)
since the card is rated at 289W, it's not even that
289 for the GPUs, 140 for the CPU, then add RAM, motherboard, and drives
= > 400W
ds3, yeah, you could run about 150 beagleboards on that :)
I'd like a beagleboard
or is the plan to power the mill with a sterling engine sitting onthe GPU? ;)
and pico projector
pico + beagle = heaven
if only it had ethernet
but you wouldn't want that wired anyway
it will if I can find time to get it wired up
I didn't see any mention of ethernet there, except for USB adapters
for wireless or wired
now if only EMC ran on there.... drive the steppers via the GPIO's...
[02:00:35] <eric_unterhausen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/3109688167/
I haven't been reading the rtai mailing list to know the status of rtai for the arm
if it turns out that the atom works for emc, that would be a good thing
atom cpu has too much latency
not according to the wiki
the reviews of the mobo on newegg even mention emc
and the fact that the live cd doesn't have the required module built for the ethernet port
JymmmEMC: do you have a source for "atom cpu has too much latency" ? or are you just talkin' out yer ass? ;-)
need a notification for when he's not
jmkasunich: Um, how many times do I need to say I have a Lenovo IdeaPad S10 for you to hear it?
you didn't say that any time in this conversation
jmkasunich: I said it a zillions times for like 4 days when I first got it
so, what you really meant was "the Atom CPU in this particular laptop (or whatever that ideapad thing is) has bad latency"
No, you said that.
what I heard (partly my fault) was "the Atom CPU in the G945GCLF2 motherboard (that eric and I were talking about) has bad latency"
as is usually the case, it is the mobo more than the CPU that affects latency
the D945GCLF2 is on the wiki with good latency numbers
Chipset Intel 82945G (ICH7)
my ICH7 experience is that it's a shitty chipset
[02:40:44] <JymmmEMC> http://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/934?ci=43
Yeah intel chipsets not al their cracked up to be
well, I should know in a couple days
ICH7 in particular doesn't do PCI read combining, ever
Damn, there's a TV OUT variant =(
and my experience reading from a 5i22 board was that it was only marginally faster than a parallel port
(maybe 3 reads per microsecond, but at least they were 32 bits each)
SWPadnos: which mobo?
SWPadnos: FYI... Can't have NEtFlix on ArtiGO. The video drivers "permit" recording over HDMI, so they restrict it's usage.
Acrosser AR-B1892 I think
SWPadnos: At least until VIA updates their driver
JymmmEMC, even though it doesn't have HDMI output? :)
SWPadnos: 3 reads per uS on PCI is about 6x parport bandwidth
I wouldn't call that "marginally faster"
SWPadnos: Actually, it has DVI and LCD out directly
I was assuming 2/uS on the epp bus
if its really 1/uS, then yeah, 12x
definitely not margina
but the read speed was crap. I would have expected maybe 6 PCI cycles per uS
bandwidth was a lot higher, but individual R/M/W cycles are only marginally faster
and it didn't matter if you read a block then wrote a block, it sucked all around due to the non-combining chipset
SWPadnos: DVI to HDMI cable
oh. I don't remember the DVI output either
it's been in the box for all but 15 minutes since I got it :)
This is awesome!!! http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/04/a-tale-of-two-pico-itx-mods/
SWPadnos: Yeah, it has DVI out, and seraial,parallel too
with a bigger hard drive, it could be a mythTV box
you can get 500G in that form factor I think
and there are enough USB ports to use external storage
SWPadnos: Good luck getting the cables though. I contacted VIA and they weren't available for sale, He said to goto frys and "buy/return" an picoitx board
SWPadnos: While it defaults to IDE, there is a DATA connector too
I noticed that
I already maxed out the ram in it
huh. you could get a slim PC case and stick the artigo in one slot, a DVD drive in the other, and have a nice little HTPC
or pull the thing apart and stick it in an even thinner case
SWPadnos: I'm thinking WRT54GL+OpenWRT and PicoITX
I have some tape drive boxen that would work well for that
SWPadnos: the EDN article I read compared the Artigo to that Atom board (and a couple others)
yeah, an external DLT case would be plenty big enough
the Artigo stunk up the place
I haven't tried it with anything RT yet
about 1/5 to 1/10 the speed, and about 3x the price
I think JymmmEMC tried the EMC2/8.04 CD, and it sucked
could have been 6.06 though
the price on these was hard to beat
Eh, I'll toss emc on a bootable usb stick and try it sometime
dual core atom
[02:51:52] <JymmmEMC> http://www.willudesign.com/Bt320gTop.html
I thought you had tried it
or did you give up when the parallel port cable/board proved to be unavailable?
SWPadnos: with a emc cd that I had, not sure if it was the latest or not
it would have been a little early for the 8.04 one, since the show was in April
[02:52:52] <jmkasunich> http://www.edn.com/article/CA6625435.html
there is some $99 box that only does netflix, anyone know what I'm talking about?
SWPadnos: There are somethings para/serial that are on headers. The DVI/SATA is on funky connector though
eric_unterhausen: Yes, and for $200 you can use an XBOX
or for $300 you can use a TiVo
but you need to have the premium XBOX live to via netflix
or maybe that's $500. hard to remember all these things
let's see, each of those options is an integer multiple of $99
or for $0 you can scrape all the parts from your junk box like I did and make a TVPC with full IR kybd/mouse
SWPadnos: Did you ever see that kybd when you were here?
right after I get the mill and lathe working, and the light in the bathroom, and the sink in the basement
I think so - you had it "connected" to the living room PC which was attached to the TV, right?
SWPadnos: I'm still looking for a replacement for the pc though... the hdd in it is chugging along
plenty to be found on NewEgg
SWPadnos: Find one that has SVIDEO out from BIOS
get one of the atoms and run the latency test on it for us
It's really weird seeing the BIOS on the TV too btw!
jmkasunich is about to do that
he just got an atom board, and will be getting things going this weekend (unless we keep bugging him :) )
if we trusted jmkasunich, we should trust that eric guy that posted his results on the wiki :)
Yeah, jmkasunich is the current beta-bitch-of-the-week (TM)
he's a flake
I trust that eric guy
it wasn't me
of course not
I'll trust him more when I duplicate his results ;-)
I wouldn't say that to your face
well, maybe I would
SWPadnos: you would
well, seeing as how I'm a flake ...
bbl... gonna abuse the 400 channels we have for a month
brave new world has actually arrived, but somebody already trademarked Soma, gvmnt will have to come up with a different name for their pacifying drug
Soma was a puzzle cube in the '70s
a bit like physical 3D tetris :)
do you think they named it after the fictional drug?
the wikipedia article on soma is interesting
it was a fun toy when I was a kid
i barely remember that game
I only remember a few of the other shapes - the bed was one, I think there was a pyramid-like thing
ok, so maybe I only remember one or two :)
trying to figure out why google maps stays away from state college pa
they do seem to have crappy imagery there
I want street view
and it would be nice to have satellite
this person is confused: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330275795306
the image is hotlinked to amazon.com
the seller has 43867 auctions going...
oh, one of those
probably all just amazon merchandise
8300 feedbacks in the last month
they have a pretty good precentage actually, for a place with that many feedbacks
the McDonalds of ebay
billions and billions served
one of several
most of them go away somewhat happy
but pity the ones who have some problem - how can they deal with that many customers
8300/mo is about 280/day, so a staff of 10 people or so can deal with it
maybe 400/day since the work week isn't 7 days
anyone have some advice of where I might find some HSS blanks... ~15" long 1" wide 1/4" thick
dimensions dont have to be exact
google for hss planer blades might give you some possibilities
(trying to help out a budy who is a wood worker... he wants to make his own lathe tools... )
planer blades are a good idea
silver solder the HSS and grind
ahh... good idea
what metal would you recommend for the beef of the tool then?
whatever I had on hand or could get for free that would work, any kind of steel should work
Thank you gents
do you know what alloy of HSS is typically used?
M2 for wood
dont know for certain... but for wood... I can image why it would matter much
(I realize metal matters... but as for hss alloys... I am not sure that it would)
if you wanted to buy just stock I'd check out a Crucible Steel vendor
oh.. not familiar with that
crucible sells lots of speciallity metals, tool steel, mold steel, knife steel, etc
this who you mean? http://www.crucibleservice.com/
awsome... thank you
SWPadnos: Do you know the difference between regular TV, and cable/fiber TV ?
SWPadnos: Do you know the difference between regular TV, and cable/fiber TV with 500+ channels?
uh, one comes through the air, the other via cable?
I don't know that cable can do 500 channels unless you have a set-top box to tune the higher channels
SWPadnos: No, it just takes you MUCH long to find out that there's still nothing on!
Bruce Springsteen needs to update his song
"570+ channels and nothing on"
Well 495 here
I think there are only 160 or 183 channels (or something like that) that most cable-capable TVs can tune in
SWPadnos: This is the IPTV the highest channel is 9999
anything above that has to be tuned with a specialized device
those aren't channels at all, they're streams
the data doesn't arrive in your house unless you ask for it
(like high bandwidth IRC :) )
No, as I change the channel in the guide, I can see the image
they call them channels so people will understand how to deal with them
sure, they're different programs, but you're obviously not receiving all of them and selecting the one you want to watch
that's how it works with TV/cable
I just found out that the STB's are running WindowsCE
you get all the data all the time, and you select which one you want to pay attention to
STB & DVR
STB & DVR running WindowsCE, I wonder if I cna infect it with a virus =)
with a computer/internet TV thing (which I assume you're talking about), you tell the server which stream to send down the wire to your house
so you're selecting from a lot of available streams, but you're not "tuning in channels"
SWPadnos: Well, if that's true, then it's INSTANT as I channel surf
sure, it should be possible to update in one frame or field, so 1/30 or 1/60 second
it's the same connection, just different pictures
is wireshark gui?
is that a competitor or successor to ethereal?
then it should be - later versions of ethereal had a (G)UI
The STB's are on the same subnet as the hosts on the LAN
so you should be able to snoop the packets and display them elsewhere
yeah, how the hell do you use sudo in gui?
if they're not encrypted (and maybe if they are)
gksudo is for GUI programs
weird, won't let me select an iface
is there a problem switching to promiscuous mode?
I don't think so, just that NO ifaces show up. if I do gksudo, they do, but locks up
works when I do sudo wireshark *shrug*
how were you running it with gksudo?
from a terminal?
ok, that's no good :)
you use gksudo with the "run" dialog or as a command for an icon
Hmmm, lots of ARP traffic
sudo in a terminal, and it's only good for processes that are children of that terminal
ethereal changed the name to wireshark
Hmmm, maybe on a vlan. Guess I'll have to toss wireshark into one of the STB's to capture.
SWPadnos: PCConnection has IdeaPAd S10e for $299. for as much as you are on the road, you should consider it.
SWPadnos: If you install ubuntu on it, it finds everything audio/video/nic/wifi, just be leary of lack of pwr mgnt
SWPadnos: uses sata hdd, VERY easy to upgrade ram and or to swap out hdd's.
SWPadnos: also has pciexpress/34 slot of you need additional iface
yeah, I've thought about a netbook for a while now
the eeepc1000 looks good too
the 1000 istoo big
SWPadnos: IdeaPad has 10.3" screen, the others have 8.9" all are 1024x600
eee1000 is 10.2"
does it have a PCIExpress/34 slot?
anyone know how to center a led or retled in a vertical box with pyvcp? seems like most other widgets are centered...
retled > rectled
[11:43:46] <BigJohnT> http://imagebin.ca/view/Opg-IKDI.html
maybe you can add some color to the spindle speed dial (make 2750..3000 red or so) :)
(if your purpose is to show eyecandy)
just want to show a nice pyvcp panel
any idea on how to center the led in the vbox
(and makes sense for a vcp :)
maybe add brake ..
it's pretty cool to watch the needle wind up with the gs2 vfd
* alex_joni goes back to his bloody welding
first one in years which doesn't want to work right :/
yeah, but on thin stainless
does axis use pyopengl or is it directly calling the c GL header ?
hmm apparlently minigl.c is used => Why doesn't it use pyopengl gl binding?
because pyopengl is buggy
anyone have a favorite screen capture program for recording a screen while things happen not just a snapshot...
[17:57:30] <skunkworks> http://emergent.unpy.net/01196105360
someone just looked up my wife's home phone number on the internet somewhere
not listed under her name, different last names
thats odd isnt it??
when a patient's mother calls out of the blue, it's worse than odd
I thought you meant that somebody looking for someone else (different last name) got your wife by mistake
at least it wasn't my mother who called
you need a lot of patience for that
I was surprised when I googled her name, there are a ton of listings for health care lookup
any one ever used caelinux???
make sure you use your ESD wrist-strap: http://www.microwaves101.com/content/images/Mortuary/alex/square_knot_500.jpg
you could never do that intentionally
seems odd that it isn't in conduit. seems like newish constuction. must be local code thing.
doesn't look newish to me
siding was probably replaced, house could be 50+ years old
could be armoured cable
not that it mattered - they still would have drilled thru it. ;)
when is the board election and how does one get a ballot?
you should have received a ballot in your email a few days ago
jmkasunich: this is a nice morsel of info.. http://www.irf.com/technical-info/designtp/dt99-7.pdf
with instructions on how to return it for counting
I'm on the email list but haven't got one
still getting email at yahoo?
strange. check your spam folder if you have one
looking in a spam folder now
the email was sent on January 23 at midnight EST, from Michael Cornelius
subject "EMC Board Ballot"
you're not the first to ask about this, so it would be good to verify whether the ballots got lost in transit or if they were never sent to some people
I don't see it in the spam folder
I got mine at Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:05:24 -0600 (CST)
oh - mine must have been "midnight in the morning" rather than "midnight in the evening" on the 23rd
bbl -cub scout stuff.
it's a conspiracy
how can we consipre efficiently if you go blabbing?
no, it's a sad state of affairs that email is no longer a reliable way to communicate, because of things people do to counteract spammers
cradek, can you check with Michael to get a count of ballots sent (or something)?
just to eliminate errors at that end
I write off yahoo completely these days
there was someone else who asked as if they missed a ballot email
DanielFalck, I assume you were checking a spam folder on Yahoo, not one on your local machine. If not, please check on the Yahoo site
lost ballots! I demand a recount!!!
(my ISP filters some stuff on the server side, so it never hits the inbox to get downloaded by Mozilla)
wasn't there an issue last year were some emails were not sent? I remember 2 counts for some reason.
WTF is this now Florida???
MN senate race..
no, we have no chads
skunkworks: yes but that was my fault for not coercing a complete list out of sourceforge's web interface
ah - ok.
I usually remember just enough to not be helpful.
DanielFalck: I think you should email michael directly and ask for help. he will have the logs and will be able to tell you if/why yahoo rejected it
cradek, did you see tomp missed out as well
* cradek sighs
I have the same advice for him then
At work we don't delete spam, just append [SPAM] to the subject, then move it into the user's trash folder (imap). Then if there is something important, they can always check the trash if false-positive. ie the sender's MTA is misconfigured, etc.
JymmmEMC, yep, that's why it's important to use the web interface (or IMAP if available) to check for spam
I guess he "had to go" !
KimK_ is now known as KimK
Is there anything in g code that can be put into a loop that would indicate on the axis display the count of the loop counter?
hmm... good question
it could be an L or P maybe
you could make a pyvcp panel with the indicator, and have an M1xx program that just does a setp with the P or Q number (which could be your loop variable, like this: M101 P#100 )
G91 G81 z-10. r3.0 f15.0 L6
SWP would that not step 6 times??
the program for M101 would then be a shell script that looks something like halcmd setp my-panel.pinname $(P)
I have no idea
the question I'm answering is how to get a number from G-code to a display
not how to use canned cycles :)
(which you can't display anyway, since the cycle is one G-code line, and the counter is internal, not a variable)
Hi SWP. I saw the comment about balloting, is it too late to join the list?
yes. if you're not subscribed to either the user or developer email lists, then it is too late
sorry about that
if you are subscribed to one or the other list, you should already have received a ballot
OK, no problem. Guess I've got another year to get my email accounts straightened out, LOL
swp... have you ever looked at CAELINUX??
the live dvd has a setup for ndiswrapper wireless setup... was painless
I've only seen the website, never downloaded or used it
its a very nice suite of tools if could remember what to do with them... has vbox as part of the live cd
I don't really understand why caelinux needs to be a distribution
nor i but its pretty sweet
cradek: SWPadnos, thanks, I'm sending email to michael right now
my gift to all of you programmers who care for his/her shift key: xmodmap -e "keycode 48 = quotedbl apostrophe"
use this wisely, for great power comes with great responsibility!
I guess if we have to ask what/where used, we don't deserve the gift :)
DanielFalck: at a guess, it swaps ' and ", so that unshifted gives " and shifted gives '
in some programming languages, " is used a lot more than '
is that why matlab uses single quote, lazy programmers? I hate that
he sees the light!
my r_shitf broke
r_shitf(): in a thread-safe fashion, overflow the stack and execute arbitrary code
r_shitf(): refresh inebriated state
f() short for face?
I'm going to remember that
trying to figure out some short way of expressing "b sub sigma"
that doesn't involve tex
use OpenOffice Math
problem with tex is it's $B_s, which gives away the meaning :)
[22:39:42] <JymmmEMC> http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimathdemo.html
that is nice
Note that this is dynamic XHTML running locally on your machine!
Right-click on an output formula to copy or view the MathML code.
JymmmEMC: psht. http://mathbin.net