#emc | Logs for 2008-12-13

[01:03:45] <JymmmEMC> You know, MicroSD cards are pretty cool... most come with mini and micro adapters so you can use them in differetn things, plus they have these super tiny MicroSD to USB adapters that are as thin as a dime...
[01:04:36] <JymmmEMC> The problem is that the MicroSd cards are small than your pinky tnail and the USB adapter is so fricking thin you cna't finder either one when you haven't seen your desktop in a few years =)
[01:05:11] <SWPadnos> it would be nice if physicak desks hada "minimize all" button
[01:05:15] <SWPadnos> physical
[01:05:46] <JymmmEMC> LOL, yeah no shit... and "desktop clean unused crap" feature too
[01:05:57] <SWPadnos> "arrange vertical"
[01:06:21] <SWPadnos> if I could undelete real paper, I'd probably store everything in the trashcan
[01:07:01] <JymmmEMC> That's kinda why I got the 4GB MicroSD cards, to store stuff on adn can still use them in cellphone, camera, etc
[01:07:34] <SWPadnos> hmm.
[01:07:47] <SWPadnos> I think I have a 2G, but I can't find it on my desk
[01:08:15] <JymmmEMC> Oh, I think I *MIGHT* know where ti's at... brb
[01:11:55] <JymmmEMC> nope that wasn't it!
[03:31:56] <steves_logging> steves_logging is now known as steve_stallings
[04:53:44] <JymmmEMC> found it! woohoo
[05:04:51] <cradek> I hear tonight is both full moon and the moon's perigee
[05:05:09] <cradek> it's clear here, and very bright
[05:13:19] <SWPadnos> it's interesting here
[05:13:42] <SWPadnos> there's a low thin cloud layer, so I can see the moon quite well, but it has a big halo
[05:13:49] <SWPadnos> it's not quite full yet though
[06:05:10] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[06:38:34] <dave_1> eric_ul
[06:38:38] <dave_1> ??
[06:39:57] <dave_1> hmmmm! anyone gotten any mail off the list in the last nine hours?
[06:40:29] <DanielFalck> no
[06:40:38] <dave_1> Hi Dan
[06:40:40] <DanielFalck> hi
[06:40:49] <DanielFalck> how's your weather up there tonight?
[06:40:59] <dave_1> cool
[06:41:36] <DanielFalck> we've had some rain and just a bit of wind here
[06:41:42] <DanielFalck> not too bad so far
[06:41:46] <dave_1> 37 with a wind to take the effective temp below freezing
[06:42:44] <dave_1> weatherman is promising -7 wind chill by sunday nite
[06:44:23] <DanielFalck> looks like it's going to be 9 above here Monday morning
[06:45:43] <dave_1> yep everyone is going to need good coats .. or just stay inside.
[06:45:59] <dave_1> I just sent you a pic.
[06:46:49] <dave_1> It is hard to generate perspective but you are looking at a side view of a .5 endmill roughing a curve in G18
[06:46:50] <DanielFalck> nice
[06:47:03] <dave_1> oh ... you already got it.
[06:47:27] <dave_1> I specified a 0.5 rougher with 0.015 clearance
[06:47:33] <DanielFalck> from the pic it looks like it's standing up in the vise
[06:47:44] <dave_1> yep
[06:47:46] <DanielFalck> did you use Synergy?
[06:48:16] <dave_1> in a couple of days I'll real pics (I hope) 0f the finished product.
[06:48:27] <DanielFalck> great
[06:49:02] <dave_1> trigger guard for an 18th century trigger guard wiht a supporting backbone that gets embedded in the stock.
[06:49:14] <dave_1> Not exactly traditional but effective
[06:49:19] <DanielFalck> cool
[06:49:43] <dave_1> Yes I use synergy
[06:50:13] <DanielFalck> you might ought to post some info about using it to the mailing list- so that folks can get a little taste of CAD for Linux actually being there.
[06:50:45] <DanielFalck> I have some stuff that I've done in APT. I should do the same thing
[06:51:23] <dave_1> rough with .5 end mill, the two passes with .5 ballend. one at +0.005 inf 5 passes and then passed at 0.03 ea at zero.
[06:51:57] <dave_1> I played with APT but got stalled. The error codes didn't help much.
[06:52:41] <DanielFalck> I'm still pretty slow at generating tool paths with it, but I'm getting the hang of the geometry
[06:52:43] <dave_1> The definition in geometry makes sense ... but how to tell it the rest is where I fell down
[06:53:24] <DanielFalck> I've been using all kinds of different programs/scripts to get work done for cadcam under linux
[06:53:51] <DanielFalck> sometimes I use python, sometimes apt, sometimes windows stuff under wine
[06:54:03] <dave_1> I keep things I'll get to blogging and lay out some of the stuff I've been doing and other stuff I've tried.
[06:54:38] <dave_1> For the repetitative stuff I use C
[06:54:50] <DanielFalck> when you get some more pics, send them to me. They are interesting
[06:55:41] <dave_1> Tried some really wild stuff where I manually programmed a zero path the used C to make a tool table with offsets.
[06:55:50] <dave_1> then used
[06:56:33] <dave_1> added backlash to Z axis and really cleaned up the appearance of the surface
[06:56:56] <DanielFalck> really? wow. You ought to put that up somewhere so people can learn a bit about using C with toolpaths
[06:58:15] <dave_1> think of laying the G18 curve on the side and doing half then flipping and doing the other half.
[06:59:36] <dave_1> I've thought of tilting the part 35 degrees and doing the curvature in G18 where you get to use the effective radius of the ballmill
[06:59:58] <DanielFalck> then you can get some sfm
[07:00:27] <dave_1> Oh, ouch ... predicted low for Tues nite is -7 without windchill
[07:00:47] <dave_1> exactly
[07:03:15] <dave_1> finally got ssh and scp running between the desktop and the shop: really handy
[07:03:30] <DanielFalck> that's very handy- I do it here too
[07:04:01] <dave_1> There is a script in synergy which I need to modify to do the same thing easily
[07:04:44] <dave_1> I'm still pretty much a novice at synergy.
[07:05:19] <dave_1> Mostly work in 2.5 D
[07:06:07] <dave_1> I think there must be a major fiber down between here and the East or someone would have said hello by now.
[07:06:38] <DanielFalck> you might be right, they are having a major ice storm, from the look of it
[07:06:59] <dave_1> 1e6 p eople without power so far
[07:07:17] <dave_1> not fun
[07:07:25] <DanielFalck> no, I hate the ice
[07:07:34] <DanielFalck> it does a hell of a lot of damage
[07:07:49] <DanielFalck> scary stuff
[07:07:59] <dave_1> I have a 2K gen set to make it so I can pump water and use propane furnace
[07:08:07] <DanielFalck> snow can be tolerated
[07:08:18] <DanielFalck> that's good
[07:08:29] <DanielFalck> I have fire wood here
[07:08:34] <dave_1> You tend to get more ice than we do. Ice and hills is a deadly combination.
[07:08:56] <DanielFalck> I end up just staying home when I think it's going to get icy
[07:09:01] <dave_1> Try Pullman where you can walk all the way around the block uphill
[07:09:04] <DanielFalck> I can work from home too
[07:09:20] <dave_1> work from home is good
[07:09:27] <DanielFalck> I've been working on some bike parts here all day
[07:09:39] <DanielFalck> doing some design in Ashlar Cobalt
[07:09:49] <dave_1> but sometime you have to go in and make chips
[07:10:02] <DanielFalck> yes
[07:10:21] <DanielFalck> I have the Bridgeport here , so I actually sometimes make stuff here
[07:10:33] <DanielFalck> just prototypes
[07:10:44] <DanielFalck> small stuff
[07:11:00] <dave_1> kinda hard to make rims on a BP
[07:11:08] <DanielFalck> : )
[07:11:09] <dave_1> ding ... just got a list email
[07:11:14] <DanielFalck> cool
[07:11:29] <DanielFalck> me too, in digest form
[07:11:41] <dave_1> so something is working.
[07:12:41] <dave_1> I have 2 more part to bang out then I start polishing. I have about 0.001 scallop on part so they clean up pretty easily.
[07:13:03] <dave_1> Should have pics posted before mid week
[07:13:16] <DanielFalck> great. I'm looking forward to them
[07:14:04] <dave_1> Need to be at my sons birthday party in Auburn tomorrow. May not make it as they keep slamming the pass closed
[07:15:29] <dave_1> going to bail and get some shuteye :-)
[07:15:42] <DanielFalck> chat with you later. Stay safe
[07:15:48] <dave_1> take care
[07:15:53] <dave_1> watch the ice
[07:16:52] <davidma> just booted the latest live CD on my athlon box - it works.
[07:17:24] <davidma> it's amd64 (or i guess it's called x86_64 now).
[07:19:31] <davidma> probably gong to do a bit of HW shopping tomorrow. want to get a decent, recent machine for a dev box.
[11:47:37] <Vortex2> goood day
[11:48:02] <anonimasu> morning
[11:50:45] <Vortex2> how emc2 usis enable amp signals
[11:51:30] <Vortex2> is there eny situation where single amp should be shutdonw of set to operationalö
[11:52:02] <Vortex2> can i use one signal to set operational all servo amps
[11:53:18] <Vortex2> Im planing to use logic and to add all amp enable signals together and output willbe from one output pin from mesa
[11:57:16] <alex_joni> Vortex2: yes
[11:57:32] <alex_joni> I don't think there's a case when emc2 disables just one amp enable
[11:57:40] <alex_joni> they all get enabled/disabled together
[11:58:04] <alex_joni> so you can just take the amp enable from axis 0, and use that to drive all your amps
[11:59:58] <anonimasu> alex_joni: it makes sense that you always want all axes coordinated onec you start moving :)
[12:00:02] <anonimasu> once
[12:00:17] <anonimasu> well, holding pos atleast..
[12:02:53] <alex_joni> anonimasu: theoretically they could get enabled/disabled at different times
[12:03:01] <alex_joni> but currently the emc2 task controller doesn't
[12:03:07] <alex_joni> (the motion controller supports it)
[12:04:11] <anonimasu> ofcourse, but it dosent make alot of sense to do so(atleast to me)
[12:05:27] <Vortex2> ok thanks this helps me alot
[12:05:50] <Vortex2> Ican use only one output for all 6 amps
[12:14:52] <alex_joni> 6 amps?
[12:25:00] <alex_joni> Vortex2: what are you driving?
[12:27:25] <Vortex2> alex_joni: 5 axis
[12:27:36] <Vortex2> woodworking machine
[12:27:43] <Vortex2> will be
[12:28:07] <Vortex2> X axis has two 750W ac- servos
[12:28:21] <Vortex2> all other axis has 1 servo
[12:28:36] <Vortex2> Sorry Y-axis
[12:28:41] <Vortex2> has two servos
[12:33:06] <alex_joni> sounds good .. we want pictures :)
[12:34:24] <Vortex2> picasa jsskangas
[12:38:24] <Vortex2> http://picasaweb.google.com/jsskangas
[12:41:43] <alex_joni> I see you use tkemc
[12:42:18] <alex_joni> _very_ nice servos
[12:42:25] <alex_joni> how do you drive them?
[12:43:24] <alex_joni> I mean these: http://picasaweb.google.com/JSSKangas/CNC#5272307629589414098
[12:46:35] <Vortex2> those are for my metalworking cnc mill
[12:47:22] <Vortex2> rexroth indramat, I use MESA5i20 board for bought
[12:47:25] <Vortex2> machines
[12:47:41] <Vortex2> analog seedcommand
[12:48:32] <alex_joni> resolvers?
[12:49:24] <alex_joni> Vortex2: good stuff
[12:52:14] <fragalot> Vortex2: dude, http://picasaweb.google.com/JSSKangas/CNC#5161396888032078002 your dog isn't wearing goggles! :(
[12:59:08] <Vortex2> fragalot: thats my akita and my frend
[12:59:28] <Vortex2> alex_joni
[12:59:47] <alex_joni> Vortex2
[13:00:04] <fragalot> Vortex2: :D my aunt has 2 akita's
[13:00:11] <Vortex2> motors has resolvers but drives changes feedback to A and B and I pulses
[13:00:43] <alex_joni> right.. so resolver/encoder converter
[13:00:52] <alex_joni> did you use the one from pico systems?
[13:04:28] <alex_joni> Vortex2: also, I'd like to know if you use hostmot2 on the 5i20
[13:05:52] <fragalot> Vortex2: http://nl.uniteddogs.com/dog/7191/pic/223403 her 2 pups
[13:19:42] <glx51mm> hello everyone
[13:19:48] <fragalot> hi
[13:20:37] <glx51mm> due to some problems with my ubuntu installation i had to format, so emc2 is now gone
[13:21:15] <glx51mm> i tried to find some documentation mentioning that emc2 must be run on realtime but no luck
[13:21:27] <fragalot> ubuntu has to be the only linux distro that has to be formatted in order to fix it... :p
[13:21:39] <glx51mm> :P:P
[13:22:01] <alex_joni> glx51mm: you can run it on platforms without realtime but only in simulation mdoe
[13:22:02] <alex_joni> mode
[13:22:08] <alex_joni> you can't control actual hardware
[13:22:10] <glx51mm> something crashed when i tried to use opencam...
[13:22:18] <glx51mm> ooooooook then
[13:22:51] <glx51mm> thx for the tip, however i want to put back my router in action so i guess i need rtai
[13:23:25] <glx51mm> btw, the live cd with emc has the rtai kernel ?
[13:23:58] <fragalot> likely
[13:25:01] <glx51mm> problem is that running realtime i had no network or sound but anyway i'll prolly get a fix on that
[13:26:49] <glx51mm> can anyone provide a link with instructions installing the rtai kernel, is been a long time since i did so i remember nothing at all
[13:27:15] <alex_joni> glx51mm: start with the livecd
[13:27:23] <alex_joni> either 6.06 or 8.04
[13:27:37] <alex_joni> the 8.04 is newer, might have support for you network and audio
[13:27:59] <fragalot> or like on my (new) system, not run :p
[13:28:40] <glx51mm> the thing is that i had managed to install everything successfully last time, emc and rtai in ubuntu 8
[13:28:59] <fragalot> is there a way to run EMC without X?
[13:29:12] <fragalot> like the DOS machines.. the system i plan on using can't really handle much
[13:29:26] <alex_joni> fragalot: yes
[13:29:30] <fragalot> how
[13:29:34] <alex_joni> there are GUIs that don't require X
[13:29:39] <alex_joni> keystick is one of them
[13:29:46] <alex_joni> or you can run the GUI remotely
[13:29:57] <alex_joni> ssh -X should help
[13:30:00] <alex_joni> bbl
[13:30:31] <fragalot> mm
[13:30:43] <fragalot> it won't have network, so that last option won't work
[13:32:27] <fragalot> I meant something simular to http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/tkemc.png but in a framebuffer or something simular
[13:33:08] <alex_joni> framebuffer means X
[13:33:14] <alex_joni> with a crappy driver
[13:33:40] <alex_joni> so either you use keystick (non-X), or you use one of the X interfaces
[13:33:54] <fragalot> alex_joni: I mean something like what make menuconfig does in console
[13:34:09] <alex_joni> fragalot: are you familiar with the emc2 manual?
[13:34:10] <fragalot> and i can't find any examples of "keystick" :(
[13:34:28] <fragalot> alex_joni: I like this frontend of the manual better ;)
[13:35:34] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/devel/html//gui_keystick.html
[13:36:40] <fragalot> cool, so that can run in the console
[14:37:47] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT wanders off to the big city
[15:20:58] <skunkworks> wow 32deg here
[15:22:06] <archivist> hrmph only 53 indoors
[15:23:30] <skunkworks> 60 here
[15:25:20] <skunkworks> * skunkworks should get moving
[15:36:21] <skunkworks> the cat doesn't want me to though
[15:36:56] <archivist> I need a new cat to keep the mice under control
[15:39:01] <skunkworks> our 2 toms are vicious
[15:39:54] <skunkworks> suprisingly - no mice in the house (house is old) (well that we know of anyways)
[15:41:54] <skunkworks> looks like mariss is going to release a cpld daughter board to roll your own stepper drive. (you build the power stage)
[15:42:13] <skunkworks> http://cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69598
[15:51:12] <cradek> http://buffalobeast.com/133/bigthree.jpg
[15:51:46] <cradek> skunkworks: I wonder who the target market is for that
[15:52:22] <skunkworks> it started from a allegro thread - the allegro chip performs poorly.
[15:52:34] <skunkworks> for microstepping.
[15:53:30] <skunkworks> heh
[16:07:10] <skunkworks> * skunkworks emails the bigthree to his wife
[17:32:46] <eric_u1> how much performance do you lose going AMD over intel these days?
[17:36:10] <SWPadnos> eric_u1, dollar for dollar or with unlimited budget?
[17:36:20] <eric_u1> dollar/dollar
[17:36:40] <SWPadnos> should be the other way around then
[17:37:22] <eric_u1> there isn't quite performance parity though, is there?
[17:38:01] <SWPadnos> dollar wise, there seems to be
[17:38:21] <SWPadnos> Intel has the fastest chips on the very high end, but those are $1000+
[17:38:22] <eric_u1> too bad MHz doesn't mean much any more
[17:38:26] <SWPadnos> heh
[17:38:50] <SWPadnos> you can buy AMD quad cores for $150-ish (low power even)
[17:40:03] <SWPadnos> oh wait, $120 now
[17:40:07] <eric_u1> I was trying to decide if I could tell the difference between a quad for 150 over a dual for $60
[17:40:15] <SWPadnos> depends on what you do
[17:40:24] <eric_u1> use matlab
[17:40:26] <SWPadnos> you'd almost certainly notice if you do a lot of make -J
[17:40:33] <SWPadnos> oh. is that multithreaded?
[17:40:40] <eric_u1> sorta
[17:41:01] <eric_u1> make is multithreaded?
[17:41:20] <SWPadnos> if they split it into UI and "calculation", then you're probably better off with two cores at the highest clock speed you can get
[17:41:33] <SWPadnos> make can run multiple compiler processes simultaneously
[17:42:03] <eric_u1> that's cool, so I have to split my source code up into more than one file now?
[17:42:22] <SWPadnos> if you want to take advantage of parallel make, then yes
[17:43:29] <SWPadnos> my quad core AMD box compiles all of EMC2 (for sim, so no hardware drivers) after a make clean (so it recalculates dependencies), in about 20 seconds
[17:43:42] <eric_u1> nice
[17:44:06] <SWPadnos> unfortunately, I never got around to checking the quad-core Intel box I had in the same way
[17:45:19] <eric_u1> I could do that I suppose
[17:45:35] <eric_u1> we just bought 10 quad core intel machines at work
[17:46:04] <eric_u1> dell gave us the 20 piece quantity discount
[17:46:08] <skunkworks> LawrenceG: those resistors are around $7
[17:48:08] <skunkworks> they also have .005ohm (with the kelvin connection)
[17:48:50] <SWPadnos> eric_u1, what CPU?
[17:55:49] <LawrenceG> skunkworks, wow.... I looked at using some of the caddock resistors (look like to220 package or similar), canbe bolted to heatsing if required for higher powers
[17:56:46] <skunkworks> :) what do they cost?
[17:57:16] <LawrenceG> in the range of 2.50... I'll look for a link
[17:57:41] <skunkworks> http://www.ohmite.com/catalog/pdf/10_series.pdf
[18:02:18] <LawrenceG> http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/C083/P1846.pdf I lied... seems like they got quite expensive
[18:03:48] <skunkworks> heh - isn't that how it always works out?
[18:04:28] <LawrenceG> looking at the rds on resistance is looking more interesting
[18:05:41] <skunkworks> of?
[18:05:49] <skunkworks> the mosfets I have are pretty high.
[18:05:54] <skunkworks> (they where cheap)
[18:07:18] <LawrenceG> doesnt really matter as long as current limit is adjustable.... if volatge across fet is .5v at max current, then set current limit circuit to trip at .5v
[18:08:50] <LawrenceG> fet is already heatsinked and one doest have extra power dissipated on board
[18:09:18] <skunkworks> not worried :)
[18:09:59] <skunkworks> jmk though schooled me on how much power the package can disapate.
[18:10:05] <skunkworks> it sucked :)
[18:11:44] <LawrenceG> http://cgi.ebay.com/Caddock-MP821-0-10-ohm-1-20Wt-TO-220-Resistor-10pc_W0QQitemZ150295524517QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Electronic_Components?hash=item150295524517&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
[18:12:11] <LawrenceG> they do show up on ebay once and a while... sometimes for a good price
[18:14:49] <skunkworks> at 20a that would be 40w
[18:15:33] <LawrenceG> thats why they have bolt holes!
[18:16:01] <LawrenceG> same with the fets... why get 2 things hot?
[18:16:03] <skunkworks> heh - I would assume the 20w rating is bolted to a heatsink. (knowing how things are sold)
[18:41:44] <glx51mm> anyone having problems with network connections on real time kernel ??
[18:45:42] <skunkworks> what kind of network? wireless? wired?
[18:45:42] <glx51mm> wired
[18:46:49] <glx51mm> i am on hardy, normal kernel no problems, rt kernel no network
[18:47:24] <skunkworks> is the nework card recognised?
[18:48:19] <glx51mm> yes, i run the hardware test and it sees the ethernet adapter just fine but of course no internet
[18:49:12] <skunkworks> heh
[18:49:17] <skunkworks> I mean huh
[18:49:51] <glx51mm> on network managed it says no network connections detected
[18:51:08] <glx51mm> i've been searching on google for the last 5 hours with no luck... u r my last hope, even posted on the ubuntu forum but not a single reply
[18:52:12] <skunkworks> so - when you go into menu 'system' -> administration -> network - what is there?
[18:53:24] <glx51mm> just a point to point connection (not connected), no wired connection appears
[18:54:11] <skunkworks> then I assume the card was not recognised... I think there is a 'suplimental drivers' that you can install..
[18:54:21] <skunkworks> * skunkworks waits for someone to explain....
[18:55:22] <skunkworks> anyone? :)
[18:57:03] <glx51mm> u might mean restricted drivers ?
[18:57:55] <skunkworks> sounds right - I am not a linux expert...
[18:59:13] <glx51mm> neither am i :P:P
[18:59:44] <skunkworks> :)
[19:00:25] <toastydeath> does anyone here cut lenses
[19:00:27] <toastydeath> or lens laps
[19:01:17] <skunkworks> there is a guy on cnczone iamcarrot or something like that..
[19:05:04] <glx51mm> well i think it's not a driver problem since i checked again and the driver loaded on both normal and rt kernel is the same
[19:13:22] <eric_u1> glx51mm what does ifconfig tell you?
[19:17:56] <eric_u1> is there an ifup command on ubuntu?
[19:19:21] <eric_u1> you guys are going to make me go down to the basement to turn on my emc machine to find that out?
[19:20:11] <skunkworks> heh
[19:20:28] <eric_u1> I take that as a yes
[19:20:29] <archivist> yes there is an ifup here
[19:20:46] <eric_u1> we seem to have lost glx51 anywya
[19:23:16] <toastydeath> man down
[19:23:34] <archivist> * archivist rescues man
[19:30:24] <toastydeath> hurf, i am cutting a spherical bearing at work and oh my god is it going disasterous
[19:30:30] <toastydeath> *disasterously
[19:31:26] <toastydeath> at least they gave me cash and a thank you for being a pretty okay guy
[19:31:47] <toastydeath> that was nice.
[19:33:40] <eric_u1> that was before you ruined the bearing
[19:34:06] <toastydeath> i actually didn't ruin it
[19:34:14] <toastydeath> i got yelled at for pointing out how wrong it was going
[19:34:25] <toastydeath> "this is not working at all what are we even doing"
[19:34:41] <toastydeath> then the bearing broke during testing.
[19:35:03] <toastydeath> it's so much fun
[19:35:12] <toastydeath> he said while trying to claw his eyes out
[19:35:33] <skunkworks> eric_u1: the h-bridge has 2 options.. one - the common for the driver ic is directly connected to the lower mosfets. By default. (you do not connect the center trace that via's thru under the large cap. (this makes the drivers logic float above the sense resistor. The second is you cut the traces that go between the lower mosfets and the driver ic. connect the via. Then common for the driver ic and logic ground is th
[19:46:14] <Guest840> #join emcdevel
[19:46:25] <Guest840> join #emcdevel
[19:46:32] <eric_u1> wrong window
[19:58:37] <anonimasu> toastydeath: lol
[21:05:20] <eric_u1> anyone bought a recent mobo and installed linux?
[21:06:22] <anonimasu> I did
[21:06:35] <eric_u1> did it have integrated graphics?
[21:06:38] <archivist> buy! whats that
[21:06:39] <anonimasu> no
[21:16:50] <archivist> my last install was to a board with integrated video
[21:17:25] <archivist> but its not a normal board as its a touch screen computer
[21:17:44] <eric_u1> what mobo?
[21:18:03] <SWPadnos> that makes no difference. the video controller doesn't care about touchscreens
[21:18:18] <SWPadnos> I've done one recently, as has skunkworks
[21:18:20] <eric_u1> says you
[21:18:21] <SWPadnos> (same model)
[21:18:33] <eric_u1> what model?
[21:19:04] <SWPadnos> well, that's my experience, with the integrated unit I have (LCD with touchscreen in a panel PC), and the external touchscreen I have (which connects to the video controller via DVI or HD-15)
[21:19:15] <SWPadnos> this was the Goal3+ motherboard from - uh - MSI maybe
[21:19:22] <eric_u1> I was just kidding, I was curious about his strange mobo
[21:19:26] <archivist> the maker here makes their own mobo
[21:19:37] <eric_u1> that's strange
[21:19:41] <SWPadnos> ah - that makes it abnormal, not the touchscreen :)
[21:19:48] <SWPadnos> oh - ECS
[21:20:02] <SWPadnos> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135060
[21:20:12] <SWPadnos> though I have the A64 version, not the Sempron
[21:20:25] <SWPadnos> man. $40 for the whole thing now. incredible
[21:20:31] <eric_u1> I thought about getting the $50 deal
[21:20:44] <SWPadnos> the one I got had 512M memory also
[21:20:49] <SWPadnos> for $60 I think
[21:20:57] <SWPadnos> if I remembered to send in the rebate form
[21:21:06] <eric_u1> problem there
[21:21:16] <eric_u1> they are banking on you forgetting
[21:21:31] <eric_u1> I wonder if that's why the rebate company went bk recently
[21:21:44] <SWPadnos> this unit has a problem with the onboard video controller though - although it doesn't impact RT performance, high resolution modes have very annoying video glitches
[21:21:45] <eric_u1> too many people remembering, I suspect they are like an insurance company
[21:21:46] <SWPadnos> all over the place
[21:21:52] <SWPadnos> heh
[21:22:10] <eric_u1> sis graphics?
[21:22:11] <SWPadnos> luckily, it has a PCI and a PCIe slot, so a cheapo add-in card shouldn't be a problem
[21:22:14] <SWPadnos> yep
[21:22:23] <SWPadnos> SIS 965 / 761GX
[21:22:34] <eric_u1> trying to decide if that would bother my son at all
[21:22:41] <SWPadnos> yes
[21:22:43] <SWPadnos> :)
[21:22:46] <eric_u1> he's currently on a 700 mhz pentium 3
[21:22:59] <SWPadnos> I'd just get an add-in card for $30 or $40
[21:23:02] <eric_u1> it's a slot processor
[21:23:15] <SWPadnos> you can get very fast cards for that proce, fanless and relatively low power even
[21:23:19] <SWPadnos> price
[21:24:12] <eric_u1> I figured I'd get a dual core processor and mobo for ~120 or so
[21:26:28] <SWPadnos> that may be a little low
[21:26:46] <eric_u1> do you have suggestions?
[21:26:54] <SWPadnos> if you want it to be usable for a few years, you should probably get something with DVI and/or HDMI output
[21:27:04] <SWPadnos> most of the really cheap boards have only VGA
[21:27:11] <SWPadnos> nothing specific at the moment
[21:28:26] <eric_u1> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131324
[21:28:39] <eric_u1> hdmi, dvi onboard
[21:29:11] <SWPadnos> yep
[21:29:18] <SWPadnos> that's not a terribly low end motherboard :)
[21:29:33] <eric_u1> I might have to bust my budget a little
[21:29:49] <SWPadnos> th Radeon HD3200 sucks big time though
[21:30:17] <SWPadnos> at least according to this: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/
[21:32:05] <SWPadnos> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157141
[21:32:26] <SWPadnos> $105, but it has everything (including the sucky graphics, but hwy, what do you want? :) )
[21:32:44] <eric_u1> cant' I get sucky graphics for less than that?
[21:32:45] <SWPadnos> the lowestcost dual-core CPU is ~$60
[21:32:50] <SWPadnos> sure
[21:33:11] <SWPadnos> that one is a bit better
[21:33:23] <SWPadnos> and the 790 chipset is a significant step above the 780
[21:33:30] <eric_u1> that's what I hear
[21:33:48] <SWPadnos> also, the SB750 south bridge fixes a bunch of issues that the SB600 had
[21:34:04] <SWPadnos> or adds feaatures - sometimes I glaze over when reading those articles
[21:34:21] <eric_u1> :)
[21:35:11] <SWPadnos> incidentally, the sideport memory is actually onboard graphics memory, so it doesn't use main memory for graphics
[21:35:14] <eric_u1> I can't decide how I feel about triple core processors
[21:35:20] <SWPadnos> I'm curious to see how that works with RT
[21:35:31] <SWPadnos> yeah, super duals or brain-dead quads?
[21:35:34] <SWPadnos> hard to tell
[21:35:47] <eric_u1> probably has a dud cpu on there
[21:35:50] <SWPadnos> yep
[21:36:08] <SWPadnos> they are brain-dead quads, AFAIK
[21:38:00] <SWPadnos> ok, back to the trailer brake controller search
[21:40:17] <SWPadnos> hmm. it's a bummer that my wife took the car wtih my winter coat in it
[21:40:19] <SWPadnos> and gloves
[21:40:25] <eric_u1> bummer
[21:52:11] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: So, toss on some suntan lotion and shorts and pretend it's summer
[21:52:53] <JymmmEMC> after the frost bite sets in, you'll feel like it's summer anyway
[21:55:05] <[1]a-l-p-h-a> [1]a-l-p-h-a is now known as a-l-p-h-a
[21:56:20] <eric_u1> I never thought of it that way
[21:56:36] <eric_u1> but the swelling means you have to buy new clothes
[21:57:59] <eric_u1> add one more problem with tigerdirect to the list: their site doesn't seem to work with my firefox
[22:48:58] <acemi_> acemi_ is now known as acemi
[22:50:16] <fragalot> eric_u1: works4me
[22:50:24] <fragalot> lol, hour of lag
[22:59:25] <alex_joni> good night all
[23:01:09] <fragalot> gnite
[23:01:29] <toastydeath> so i think i figured out how i'm going to make the bearing
[23:01:31] <toastydeath> at work
[23:01:51] <toastydeath> except i got into an arguement with the owner, and now i don't really want to work on this project anymore
[23:02:05] <toastydeath> so i guess the question is do i want to be involved despite having a solution
[23:02:59] <fragalot> depends on what the argument was about and wether you're getting paid for it
[23:03:11] <toastydeath> i get paid regardless of what i'm working on
[23:03:35] <toastydeath> the arguement was because he got a bruised ego
[23:03:36] <fragalot> that wasn't the answer i was looking for, but ok
[23:03:56] <toastydeath> which wasn't?
[23:04:04] <toastydeath> i don't get paid to fix the problem?
[23:04:12] <toastydeath> i don't get any special bonus for fixing this.
[23:05:02] <toastydeath> the arguement was he was wrong, and i was right, and it took three other people telling him i was right to get him to realize it
[23:05:28] <toastydeath> and that it took so many people shouting at him bruised his ego, and then he pulled me aside and chewed me out for it.
[23:06:06] <toastydeath> he didn't understand how a cnc lathe cuts an arc, was the technical side of it
[23:06:15] <toastydeath> and he was screwing up an expensive part because of it
[23:07:12] <toastydeath> also known as "why you can't ask a lathe to cut a circle with a start point radius of 5.015 and an endpoint radius of 5.000"
[23:07:36] <toastydeath> or why it makes no sense to put both an R and I/K on the same g02 line.
[23:09:07] <JymmmEMC> just got the electric bill... ouch
[23:09:23] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: stings huh
[23:10:16] <JymmmEMC> Well, this year we decided to use electric heaters instead of the 50yo gas wall furnace thinking/hoping would reduce the overall bill
[23:10:30] <JymmmEMC> since elect cheaper than gas.
[23:10:57] <JymmmEMC> The thign is, we need to get used to the thermo stats BIG TIME!!!!
[23:11:13] <JymmmEMC> in the tune of $375 worth
[23:23:07] <anonimasu> ?