#emc | Logs for 2008-12-04

[03:12:42] <jepler> man I'm such an idiot -- I assumed that an electric outlet and a switch inside the same box were on the same circuit breaker
[03:13:03] <jepler> through luck, I escaped harm
[03:13:06] <cradek> oops
[03:13:16] <cradek> so, doing some wiring?
[03:13:18] <jepler> yeah
[03:13:31] <jepler> the dimmer switches that the dpo installed are slowly going bad
[03:13:35] <jepler> replaced one of them
[03:13:44] <cradek> cool
[03:14:06] <cradek> they do wear out faster than normal switches, don't they
[03:14:11] <jepler> that's certainly the pattern
[03:15:53] <SWPadnos> it's the squeal-generating circuit - they're fragile
[03:16:43] <cradek> did you find out it was still live by, uh, touch?
[03:17:06] <cradek> or, was it a little spark and the pop of a circuit breaker?
[03:21:07] <renesis> arent they usually triacs and an RC?
[03:21:42] <renesis> or i think sometimes theres a diac involved because thats all that diacs are good at
[03:21:46] <cradek> renesis: I think it's the mechanical parts that wear out
[03:22:00] <renesis> yeah pots suck
[03:22:02] <SWPadnos> yeah, it's the rheostat
[03:22:33] <renesis> that word is so weird
[03:22:59] <SWPadnos> more than "potentiometer"?
[03:24:24] <jepler> cradek: a little spark between the wire and the switch I was installing
[03:24:33] <jepler> it's the pot that goes bad (ahem)
[03:24:43] <SWPadnos> no lights ;)
[03:24:45] <JymmmEMC> HOT POTS ARE AWESOME!! Just ask SWPadnos!
[03:24:53] <jepler> you can get the light to "work" again by jiggling it to a slightly different spot
[03:24:56] <SWPadnos> I don't use a hot pot
[03:25:05] <SWPadnos> I have a pair of computer speakers like that
[03:25:13] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Dude.... think with your hollow leg on this one
[03:25:19] <SWPadnos> they're either quiet, scratchy, or LOUD!
[03:25:35] <SWPadnos> hmmm. maybe I should have some dinner
[03:25:50] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: hot pot for dinner! Good call
[03:26:11] <SWPadnos> brb. soup time
[03:27:00] <JymmmEMC> http://www.fantes.com/mongolian-hot-pot.html
[03:27:18] <JymmmEMC> damn, those recipes sound good!
[03:27:25] <SWPadnos> yeah - the last one of those I had was waaaaay too salty
[03:27:39] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Salty?
[03:27:46] <SWPadnos> bummer - I ate all the kimchee a couple of nights ago
[03:28:00] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Shoulda burned your tounge off and make you sweat like a pig
[03:28:11] <SWPadnos> yeah, a few years ago my wife took me to an asian restaurant here, and they serve hot pots like that
[03:28:21] <SWPadnos> it was very salty, and only somewhat spicy
[03:28:54] <JymmmEMC> Some GOOD SHIT if done right!
[03:28:54] <SWPadnos> I haven't been back to that restaurant since, and she's only been there once (when she got a very salty and exceedingly expensive meal)
[03:28:59] <SWPadnos> yeah, I'm sure it is
[03:29:14] <SWPadnos> I may need to travel out there soon - it's time for Palace BBQ :)
[03:29:25] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: lol
[03:29:55] <SWPadnos> there's no good Korean food around here. I probably have to go 200 miles or more to get anything even remotely close
[03:30:12] <SWPadnos> maybe Montreal or Boston has something
[03:30:30] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Yeah, we'll have to figure that whole thing out properly, casue still didn't get it "just right" like everyone else around us
[03:31:08] <SWPadnos> heh
[03:31:22] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Think I'll get rude, crude, and socially unacceptable next time and get us EACH a set of tools
[03:31:32] <SWPadnos> dueling tongs
[03:32:09] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Oh, like kababos?
[03:32:16] <SWPadnos> I like kabobs
[03:32:26] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: I got the place for that
[03:32:29] <SWPadnos> or kebabs, depending
[03:32:33] <SWPadnos> cool by me
[03:32:53] <SWPadnos> I'll have to check in with my cousin who now lives in San Francisco
[03:32:55] <JymmmEMC> it's different... you order in the grocery store, and pickup the food around back
[03:33:03] <SWPadnos> oh, interesting
[03:33:10] <SWPadnos> not licensed as a restaurant?
[03:33:14] <SWPadnos> :)
[03:33:22] <JymmmEMC> they are, just the grill is in back
[03:33:37] <JymmmEMC> deli counter up front, all cooked over wood grill
[03:33:46] <SWPadnos> oooh, nice
[03:34:16] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Adn the cucumber suace is awesome, sold by the lb
[03:34:23] <JymmmEMC> real thick
[03:34:25] <SWPadnos> hmmm. City of Industry is near LA, right?
[03:34:29] <JymmmEMC> yeah
[03:34:37] <SWPadnos> tzatziki?
[03:34:48] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: never heard of it
[03:34:59] <SWPadnos> like the greek cucumber sauce you get on gyros
[03:35:21] <JymmmEMC> North Woods Inn, Azusa Calif (SoCal) <---- good shit! just the salads and cheese bread
[03:35:29] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: sorta, yeah
[03:36:05] <JymmmEMC> bbl
[03:36:09] <SWPadnos> see ya
[03:36:16] <SWPadnos> now I'll really get some food
[08:11:35] <alex_joni> jepler, SWPadnos: some contact spray helps alot with pots like that
[08:11:59] <SWPadnos> depends on whether the problem is wear or dirt
[08:12:04] <alex_joni> * alex_joni always carries a tube around, you just spray it on the pot (even unmounted around the knob), then wiggle it good for a couple of seconds and they're good as new
[08:12:14] <SWPadnos> heh
[08:12:38] <SWPadnos> you Europeans. always trying to repair things instead of replacing them
[08:13:05] <alex_joni> looks like this: http://www.toptentrade.bizoo.ro/vanzare/16878/Spray-contact-electric-Carcos
[08:13:16] <alex_joni> not sure how it's called in proper 'mericun language :D
[08:13:33] <SWPadnos> "electronics lube" or contact cleaner :)
[08:14:12] <SWPadnos> they even might still have it at radio shack
[08:14:15] <SWPadnos> maybe
[08:14:27] <alex_joni> it works great on old radios/speakers
[08:14:43] <alex_joni> http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/full/re70m_new07.jpg
[08:14:45] <SWPadnos> maybe I should try it on my crappy scratchy-volume computer speakers
[08:15:07] <alex_joni> http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=28993&doy=4m12&C=SO&U=strat15
[08:16:46] <SWPadnos> here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250333897512
[08:16:51] <SWPadnos> have some spindle motors :)
[08:18:22] <SWPadnos> ok, it's bed time now.
[08:23:56] <alex_joni> g'night SWPadnos
[09:49:45] <archivist> cradek, some one in production with your hobby ebay item 200282170878
[11:24:18] <piasdom> g'mornin all
[11:40:05] <alex_joni> hi
[11:45:33] <BigJohnT> hi alex_joni
[11:53:33] <Unas> hi there. please direct me how to enter the gui under 8.04 LiveCD if it didn't logged in automatically?
[11:53:35] <Unas> what username and pass should be?
[11:54:30] <BigJohnT> installed or running from the LiveCD?
[11:54:40] <Unas> NOT installed
[11:55:12] <Unas> i want to upgrade from dapper because my old PC crashed
[11:55:12] <alex_joni> if you start from CD there is no password
[11:55:19] <BigJohnT> AFAIK you don't need a password to enter the gui
[11:55:32] <alex_joni> what do you mean by GUI?
[11:55:34] <Unas> and any username?
[11:55:48] <alex_joni> if you put the CD in the computer, and start booting from it
[11:55:55] <Unas> yep
[11:55:57] <alex_joni> it should finish booting, and you have a graphical desktop
[11:56:04] <Unas> yes
[11:56:09] <alex_joni> you can then select Applications->CNC->emc
[11:56:13] <Unas> that asking for username
[11:56:21] <Unas> nono!
[11:56:31] <Unas> it promts to enter username
[11:56:35] <alex_joni> if it's asking for a username then something is wrong.. (e.g. not booting from the CD)
[11:56:41] <alex_joni> try your old username
[11:57:05] <Unas> there's no, this is a new HDD
[11:57:13] <Unas> clean installation
[11:57:29] <alex_joni> I just asked a while ago if you installed it or you start from CD
[11:57:31] <archivist> then the one you chose during installation
[11:57:40] <Unas> just started
[11:57:50] <alex_joni> 13:55 < Unas> clean installation
[11:57:56] <alex_joni> please decide which it is..
[11:58:03] <Unas> i mean i want to install but before - to see it
[11:58:33] <Unas> and at first i ran it from CD. didn't install yet
[11:59:05] <Unas> i used on the different machine the previous - dapper
[11:59:09] <alex_joni> ok.. did you ever get it to run? (e.g. get a desktop presented, or it always asks a password?)
[11:59:19] <Unas> always
[11:59:53] <alex_joni> when you start the PC, and it boots from the CD
[11:59:58] <Unas> yes
[12:00:00] <alex_joni> do you get a window like this: http://arcanecode.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/u804-02.jpg ?
[12:00:12] <alex_joni> (without that gray popup)
[12:01:03] <Unas> afair it can be selected from F4 menu. yes, i see it
[12:01:54] <Unas> then i click try Ubuntu and it loads until the username and password promt
[12:01:57] <alex_joni> hmm.. odd, I've never seen a user prompt while booting form the LiveCD
[12:02:18] <JymmmEMC> * JymmmEMC slaps alex_joni for using M$ as the host! For shame for shame for shame!
[12:02:47] <piasdom> Unas:did YOU make the cd ?
[12:02:54] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: not my pic.. google found it
[12:03:05] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Uh huh ;)
[12:03:29] <Unas> what do you mean by "make"
[12:03:45] <archivist> burn
[12:03:46] <JymmmEMC> Unas: Did you download an ISO file, then burn it to cd
[12:03:49] <Unas> i dowmloaded it like previous version
[12:03:52] <Unas> yes
[12:03:52] <alex_joni> Unas: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=866838
[12:03:58] <Unas> burned
[12:04:57] <Unas> thanks!
[12:05:02] <alex_joni> Unas: the dafault user/pass for the LiveCD are: ubuntu/ubuntu
[12:05:06] <JymmmEMC> Unas: Burn at 4x or less
[12:05:07] <Unas> no!
[12:05:19] <Unas> i tried ubuntu/ubuntu )
[12:06:14] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Well, at least that link said what I've been saying for years regarding burn speed.
[12:06:16] <alex_joni> it sounds like a bad burn
[12:06:42] <alex_joni> maybe the safe graphics will work around it, but it's probably a bad burned CD
[12:07:10] <JymmmEMC> Unas: MD5 the iso you downloaded if if is correct, burn it again. Elso download the iso again
[12:07:55] <archivist> I had to download twice last time
[12:08:02] <JymmmEMC> lather, rinse, repeat.
[12:08:23] <Unas> yes it sounds
[12:08:38] <Unas> i'll try to burn not a cd-rw
[12:09:00] <piasdom> Unas:i had the same trouble(not user/pass),has to try 3 download/burn
[12:09:13] <Unas> :(
[12:09:16] <JymmmEMC> Unas: CD-R's are only $0.25
[12:09:30] <Unas> i can't wait :(
[12:09:51] <Unas> ma pc crashed yesterday and all the work stopped
[12:09:54] <Unas> *my
[12:10:24] <piasdom> Unas:try safe mode
[12:10:38] <JymmmEMC> Unas: Fine, then loopback mount the ISO and then setup to PXE boot from it across the network =)
[12:11:13] <piasdom> :)
[12:11:21] <Unas> uhu ))
[12:11:31] <Unas> it's impossible ))
[12:11:39] <JymmmEMC> Unas: bullshit =)
[12:11:43] <Unas> )))
[12:12:14] <Unas> no, it's possible of course but i can't do it now
[12:12:15] <JymmmEMC> Unas: Don't be whining in here, we'll give ya solutions that'll have you dazed and confused for weeks!
[12:12:55] <JymmmEMC> Unas: Even 7-11 sells CD-R's, so dont say you can't do something.
[12:13:10] <Unas> i'm not whining. i'm using solutions
[12:14:29] <JymmmEMC> Unas: You dont have CD-r and you can't beg/borrow/steal one?
[12:14:59] <Unas> i only meant i cannot install from network
[12:15:13] <Unas> it was just an answer to the joke
[12:15:19] <JymmmEMC> Unas: I only said that because you said impossible.
[12:15:30] <JymmmEMC> Unas: Who said I was joking?
[12:15:39] <JymmmEMC> Unas: You REALLY can do that.
[12:15:51] <Unas> i know.
[12:15:54] <JymmmEMC> k
[12:16:25] <Unas> but now i can't - that's all
[12:16:26] <JymmmEMC> Unas: you only have one computer?
[12:17:09] <JymmmEMC> Unas: Are you MD5 the ISO you have yet?
[12:18:39] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: What camera do you have again?
[12:24:00] <alex_joni> 350d eos
[12:24:09] <JymmmEMC> canon?
[12:24:22] <alex_joni> yeah, that's one of them
[12:25:07] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography#1
[12:25:17] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: does it allow using a RC ?
[12:25:32] <alex_joni> yeah, wire
[12:25:40] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: no IR ?
[12:26:06] <alex_joni> dunno, never tried
[12:26:19] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12526 and...
[12:26:57] <JymmmEMC> http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.remote%20canon
[12:27:05] <alex_joni> free shipping to europe? :D
[12:27:51] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: They're in HK. I bought one of these on my last order (even though my camera got stolen) the price was too good.... http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5483
[12:28:06] <archivist> I want a Canon digital eos body for my lenses
[12:29:29] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: If you place an order with them, get one of these. works great, even under nix... http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.474
[12:30:24] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography/01136157004
[12:32:02] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13174
[12:36:09] <Unas> definetely bad burning. i tried to run it like an virtual cd - everything works fine.
[13:01:00] <Unas> oh, are there any programs that can CAD->g-code?
[13:02:31] <archivist> a few not many
[13:03:39] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cam
[16:15:32] <archivist> do we know any .au users?
[16:15:50] <SWPadnos> autistic?
[16:16:09] <archivist> upside down
[16:16:15] <SWPadnos> awwwww
[16:16:31] <SWPadnos> there was one on the flickr map I think
[16:17:05] <archivist> just had a req to make something in #electronics but more sensible for a local yokel
[16:17:33] <SWPadnos> so sprinkle in some g'day's, bar-bies, and eshelias and be done with it
[16:17:40] <SWPadnos> -e
[16:17:45] <archivist> hehe
[16:18:28] <SWPadnos> hmmm. maybe not flickr - that other map thing
[16:18:29] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: don't forget mate at the end
[16:18:33] <alex_joni> frappr
[16:18:38] <SWPadnos> frappr - right
[16:18:40] <SWPadnos> mate
[16:18:58] <archivist> dont you mate me mate
[16:19:01] <alex_joni> I see 4 pins mate
[16:19:18] <alex_joni> glenn richmond
[16:19:20] <alex_joni> jason cox
[16:19:27] <alex_joni> tim smith
[16:19:35] <alex_joni> and peter hart
[16:19:47] <alex_joni> I think glenn and jason cox were active on the users list lately
[16:19:49] <alex_joni> ..mate
[16:20:35] <SWPadnos> too funny mate
[16:20:42] <SWPadnos> I get a lot of "image unavailable" :)
[16:20:56] <alex_joni> their software is crappy at best
[16:21:05] <SWPadnos> at least there are dots
[16:21:18] <SWPadnos> and the remote set is the right set :)
[16:22:04] <archivist> there he is
[16:22:14] <BlueFusion> herro
[16:23:00] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:23:04] <SWPadnos> g'day mate
[16:23:08] <archivist> some names for you glenn richmond, jason cox, tim smith, peter hart from down under
[16:23:57] <BlueFusion> names don't do much good by themselves
[16:24:18] <SWPadnos> http://www.frappr.com/emc2/
[16:24:29] <archivist> well they are users on the EMC mailing list so will be findabe
[16:24:50] <archivist> findable even
[16:24:52] <SWPadnos> there are 4 people in Australia (you can tell even without the map since those four dots are kinda removed from the other groups)
[16:26:18] <BlueFusion> well hmm
[16:26:27] <BlueFusion> i only want half a dozen tiny things
[16:26:48] <BlueFusion> i was more intending to just talk to somebody online, send some paypal and get a package a few days later
[16:27:06] <SWPadnos> oh. well you can do that with Americans too :)
[16:27:23] <archivist> Or even English :)
[16:27:26] <BlueFusion> I be australian :P
[16:27:32] <archivist> we know
[16:27:52] <SWPadnos> if you PayPal me some money, I'll send you a package
[16:27:56] <BlueFusion> mmk, rightio then...
[16:27:59] <BlueFusion> * BlueFusion puzzles
[16:28:10] <SWPadnos> I wonder what I should put in it
[16:28:10] <BlueFusion> lol
[16:28:45] <archivist> at least I have ally in stock some in swarf state
[16:29:21] <archivist> <BlueFusion> 15x15x8mm alu block with 12.1mm hole through the large faces
[16:29:33] <SWPadnos> oh, that kind of thing
[16:29:36] <SWPadnos> nevermind
[16:29:47] <BlueFusion> :P
[16:29:52] <SWPadnos> I figured it would be electronic, considering the other channel name ...
[16:29:52] <BlueFusion> i want like 4-6 of them
[16:30:16] <archivist> accurcy ?
[16:30:23] <archivist> accuracy ?
[16:30:29] <SWPadnos> better
[16:30:43] <archivist> lack thereoff in speeling
[16:30:45] <SWPadnos> how akurate do yoo wannem?
[16:31:22] <BlueFusion> i'm not terribly fussed about the dimensions of the block, but the hole needs to be pretty clean. perhaps within 0.2mm
[16:31:36] <BlueFusion> if anything, larger than 12.1, cos the modules i'll be putting into them are kinda crappily made and not always precisely round
[16:31:49] <SWPadnos> o hell, I can do that with a 12.1mm drill bit
[16:32:13] <BlueFusion> hah
[16:32:34] <BlueFusion> i don't have the materials or tools to make them, or i would.
[16:33:15] <archivist> you must have a jobbing machine shop near you
[16:33:29] <BlueFusion> not that i know of
[16:33:52] <SWPadnos> bummer - there are 12.0 and 12.2mm drill bits, no 12.1
[16:34:17] <archivist> 12 is going to cut oversize
[16:34:18] <BlueFusion> 12.2 is fine
[16:34:19] <alex_joni> throw some chips in the hole and drill it again with 12.0
[16:36:07] <archivist> what group on frappr ?
[16:36:26] <alex_joni> BlueFusion: http://www.mail-archive.com/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04085.html
[16:36:28] <archivist> search doesnt like 3 chr search!
[16:36:31] <alex_joni> archivist: www.frappr.com/emc2
[16:40:39] <archivist> thats one buggy application in firefox
[16:46:01] <SWPadnos> hmm. this is close: http://www.mcmaster.com/itm/find.ASP?tab=find&context=psrchDtlLink&fasttrack=False&searchstring=8803A933
[16:46:41] <SWPadnos> drill with 15/32, finish with that for a 12.1031mm hole
[17:31:34] <skunkworks> funny story... I have not been to the local astronomy meetings for a few months. My coworker who is also in the club said I need to come to the meeting because there is a new guy that does motion control. I walk in the room and it is Pete G - the edm guy from the cnc workshop.
[17:33:13] <skunkworks> He didn't demo his stuff last year but the year before he was tapping a file with a carbon 'tap'
[17:34:01] <jepler> funny
[17:34:06] <jepler> did you know he was from around there?
[17:46:07] <alex_joni> do you guys watch anthony bourdain?
[17:50:13] <jepler> the name sounds familiar
[17:50:32] <jepler> oh, tv cooking shows? no.
[17:50:41] <alex_joni> show about eating stuff, not really cooking
[17:50:46] <alex_joni> and travelling
[17:51:01] <archivist> does he do beans on cheese on toast?
[17:54:35] <alex_joni> toast on one side?
[17:56:30] <archivist> toast done in toaster so yes, then under grill with cheese on top, then the beans
[17:57:01] <archivist> must build a cnc cooker
[17:59:02] <alex_joni> my toaster does both sides :)
[18:09:09] <SWPadnos> heh. our toaster has two slots and a switch for 1/2 slices or 3/4 slices
[18:09:46] <SWPadnos> so if you fill both slots and forget to flip the switch, you get normal toast from one slot and English toast from the other slot :)
[18:10:40] <archivist> er what do you define as English toast!
[18:10:53] <SWPadnos> done on one side, like the Sting song :)
[18:11:41] <archivist> I only know done on two sides and Im Englih
[18:11:49] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:12:26] <archivist> although a cheapskate cafe on the A5 failed on one side
[18:12:29] <SWPadnos> I've often had toast (in England) that was more like dehydrated bread than toasted (ie, nicely browned and warm)
[18:12:31] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:12:50] <SWPadnos> and this was at nice hotels
[18:12:59] <skunkworks> jepler: yes - he is from the area. I did know that - he had talked about a linux/emc club around here.
[18:13:06] <skunkworks> Just forgot
[19:05:51] <alex_joni> this is way too cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BfzN4D6uys